Episode 216: Friday the 13th part 3

Join Jimbo and Bond as they review Friday the 13th part 3, where Jason continues on his murderous spree the next day after part 2 takes place.  This is also the movie where Jason gets his iconic hockey mask.  enjoy! 

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Speaker 3 (01:17):
So if we tell us to the tales we have
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Speaker 4 (01:41):
Weekends are a good time to escape to the woods,
unless the weekend begins with Friday the thirteenth, Because thirteen
is an unlucky number. But out here so our one
through twelve because these are Jason's Woods and nobody leaves

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them alive. Friday the Thirteenth, Part three in three D. Jason,
you can't fight him, you can't stop him, and now

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you can't even keep him on the screen. Friday the Thirteenth,
Part three in three D. Now when it comes to
killing in Jason's Woods, Jason will come to you. Friday
the Thirteenth, Part three in three D. A new dimension

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in terror. It will scare you. Count on it.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema
podcast Summer of Sequels series.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
I'm your host Jimbo, and I'm your co host Bond Bond.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Today we are talking about one of my favorite franchises
and all of horror, the Friday the Thirteenth franchise, and
today we are specifically talking about Friday the Thirteenth Part
three and three D. Oh Yeah, all right, Bon, Before
we get started to have a question, what was your
favorite kill in this movie? O?

Speaker 6 (04:04):
My favorite one has to be the handstand.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Han and the machete down the pipes.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, why is the guy doing a handstand in the
middle of the hallways going to get a beer? Who
doesn't go get a beer on their hands.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't know, man, I think I think maybe the
spear gun through the eyeball is pretty rough too.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
With the best three D effects of all time.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Nice, all right, Bond, we won't waste too much time
because this is a great movie. Go ahead, all right.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
We got a lot to go on this one man.
We're looking at Friday the thirteenth, Part three. It's a
nineteen eighty two American slasher film. It was directed by
Steve Miner, written by Martin Kittrosser and Carol Watson. It
is based on the characters by Victor Miller. Produced by

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Frank Mancuso Junior, starring Dana Kimmel and some others. Let's
get into that. So this movie stars Dana Kimmel as
Chris Higgins, our main character, our main Heroin If You Will,
she was in shows like Charlie's Angels. She came out
at different Strokes, Facts of Live Happy Days, If it

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was an eighty sitcom. She made a guest appearance that
also stars Paul Kratka as Ricky or Rick Bombay, Tracy
Savage as Debbie as Debbie Kleine. Here's a Little Happy,
Little fact about her. She came out on Happy Days.
But one of the things I found out about Tracy
Savage is she auditioned for the part of Laura Ingalls

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on Little House of the Prairie. Really I then get
the part, of course, but she actually audition for the
part of Laura Ingles, which I thought was pretty cool.
There's not really really a lot on all these characters.
These actors and actresses in this movie didn't really go
on to big better things. This is pretty which the
highlight of their careers being in Friday the Thirteenth part three.

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We have Jeffrey Rodgers as Andy Beltromi, Catherine Parks as Vera.
Catherine Parks was in Weekend at Bernie's. She was also
in Love Boat three's company. Larry Zilner as Shelley, the jokester,
Shelley with the big afro, curly hair.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
It is awesome.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
He actually retires from acting and becomes an entertainment lawyer.
So he goes on to represent other actors and stuff
in with their.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Contract and it's thanks to him that Jason gets his mask.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
That's true. That's true. That comes up later. Man. One
of the big iconic moments in Jason fourhe's History Friday
the thirteenth. History is the hockey Mask. And I'm just
amazed at the fact that we associate the hockey mask
with Jason. But he doesn't get it until midway through
the third movie. Right.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
You gotta remember in Part two was the potato sack hit.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
So part one he hasn't come out to the very
part two he wears a sack. It's not till halfway
through this movie they're wearing a hockey mask.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
YEP.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
I thought that was pretty amazing, right, And of course
Richard Brooker as Jason four, he's he was a stuntman
for this, so he was a stuntman that went on too.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
And I'm gonna go on on a limb. And I
think he's probably my favorite Jason Voorhees. I think he
has the lookdown everything he did with this character in
this movie. Some people may disagree because you know, they're
all about Okaine Hotter and all that, but I really
really like this guy's portrayal of Jason.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
I did too, because he gets he plays him without
the mask and he plays him with the mask. So
you know that's pretty amazing right there. Did you know
that they had to refit the mask because like an
oble hockey mask wouldn't fit him. Yep, he's such a
big guy. So before I get into the plot and
what this movie, Friday thirteenth it's all about Friday thirteenth
Part three, let me go over some of the storylines

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that they rejected. All right, So the original storyline was
supposed to focus on a post traumatic Genie Field from
the prior installment, right, but she decided that she wasn't
going to reprise her role. She didn't want to come back,
so she was supposed to be in this one. They

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didn't bring her back for that one.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, but I heard that she thinks she probably should
have accepted that role.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
What I've read, I think so. I think so she
could have been known as the Friday the thirteenth girl,
kind of like the Halloween. All right, So this movie
opens with the best three D opening text in history.
All of the words, yep, all of words at the
very beginning of the movie are coming right at you

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know what.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
It kind of reminded me of the Superman, Remember when
Superman the way Superman is.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Yeah, exactly right, Yep, I agree. And so I'm thinking
if I'm in nineteen eighty two and I'm watching this
movie and I have my three D glasses on. The
opening credits alone are worth the price of a three
D ticket m hm, because I'm like, whoa, all these
you know, all of these names are coming right at me,

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and so I thought that was really cool. I think
that some of the three D scenes in this movie
are some of the best, don't you. All Right, So,
after the events of the second film, a badly injured
and unmasked Jason Vorhees goes to a lake front store
to get some clothes, and while he's there, he murders
the store owner, Harold and his wife Edna.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Edna was annoying one she but how about how about
the poor guy man? He just he goes out there
to the barn and he opens the cage and that
snake comes on. Next day. You see he's sitting on
the toilet.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
That's that's that's part. He's sitting there and he's in
the store. He's petting his bunny and his wife's aw
put that dirty, nasty thing away, and right there, I'm like, no,
bunnies were hard.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
And he's there, he's going through the store drinking orange
juice and eating.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Stuff its things up and drinks it.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
You gotta lose weight. She takes the donut away from him.
He picks them back up anyway.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Oh yeah, so he goes he goes to the bathroom. Well,
he goes back to put the bunny away and there's
a snake, great three D snake right right, So the
snake comes out and no bunnies were hard in making
this film. And then I was like, okay, never mind
a snake. Then he's on the he's on the what
do they have an outhouse.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Or that like his? Is that like the separate like
his garage workshop? Maybe? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Well, the good news is he goes out there to
go to the bathroom. Because you hear the plopping sound
in the in the toilet.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
At least it wasn't in three D. It was three
D audio.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Yeah, that could have been a that could have been
an awkward angle there, but it was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
That was a pretty crappy angle.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
One that was so great. That was so great. We
switched scenes Jason four He's Jason's got his clothes. We
switched scenes to uh, Chris Higgins, our main heroine. She
and her friends are traveling to uh Higgins Haven, her
her old home on Crystal Lake, for a summer trip.

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The gang includes pregnant Debbie. Why would you go on
this trip if you were pregnant?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I don't know, man. Maybe it's because she went on
a trip like this before and got pregnant.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, maybe they wanted to revisit Her boyfriend Andy goes
with her prankster Shelley. Oh, poor Shelley. You get set
up on a blind date with Vera.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Remember, She's like, well, where's my dates? Did you ever
have one of those mass's like this the man or
woman mask. Yeah, it's just Clai Pasaic with like the
little blush on it and eyeshadow and stuff.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
He's got no social skills, he's got no game.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
He's a nerd. He's like a geek. Whatever you wants
called whoa whoa, whoa whoa like us. Yeah, you're the
one wearing glasses there, buddy.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
These prescription have you know. So he's where like this
weird glass plastic mask over his face to meet his
blind date Vera, and right away Vera's like, oh great,
I mean honestly, hey, you got a blind date? First off,
a blind date for a weekend at a cabin.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And it's all coupled up with other couples.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
You're like it is, and I don't have the complaint
I usually.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Have that there's always an oddball, right, there's.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Always an eyeball. There's no oddball in this one. No,
there's four girls and four guys. There's an awkward blind date,
there's an awkward you know, pregnant girl at her boyfriend.
But at least everybody's got somebody.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
And you got the two hippies.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Yeah, you got the two stoners in the back, right, chuck.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
And they think they think that van's on fire. They
go run it out and they open the door. Oh,
you guys got to share.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Reminded me of Scooby do this Scooby Doo van.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
So they run into a man named Abel who warns
them turned back right, and they meet Rick at the destination.
I'm sorry to say, but Christmas boyfriend Rick is kind of.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
A jerk relliant. I didn't care for him.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
I didn't. He's just he's very self centered. Everything's about him. Hey,
this is what I want to do. Hey, And every
time you don't do what he wants, he gets mad well,
Shelley and Vera decide that they're going to go to
the store and they're gonna get some supplies, and they
run into the bikers, the worst eighties bikers of all time.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
I have a fact about this. Hang on just a seconds,
so you know the what is his name? The the
the bigger black biker.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Guy that Fox, no, no Fox is, the girls.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
The girl that loco, what is his name? I'm not
sure which one of you is, but they said that
that jacket that he's wearing is it was like from
the uh any which way you can, or any which
way but loose. I do believe it's in my nose somewhere.
I can't really find it at the moment, or it is.
The black biker character Ali is wearing a leather vest

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with the same black widow biker gang insignia seen in
the films. Every which way but or every which way
but loose and any which way you can. So I
thought that was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
That is pretty cool, right. Well, they they accidentally, Shelley
accidentally gets the car and knocks over the biker's motorcycles.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, you gotta remember they they basically just robbed them. Yeah,
and they're like, just just give me, can you please
just give me back the wallet? Can you give me
back the wallet? What damn ma'am? Yeah, And then she's like, oh,
you better drive, I'm too upset or whatever. So he goes,

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that's all right, I'm okay. He backs it ride up
into them bikes, and it reminded me of like Peebe's
Big Adventure. Remember when he backs the bike up.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
And our wild Hogs or any of those, Yeah, knocks
out all the bikes. Of course, the bike guy he gets,
he like wraps a chain around his hand yep right
and smashes the glass, just smashes the front windshield and
the side windshield, the Volkswagen bug. And so they make

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it back and that's uh.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Well Shelly's Shelly's like, well, I'll get him now. He
turns around and he runs right over the motorcycle again.
Remember again, he's like, I did it, I did it.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Hey, here are some man points be right there, man.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
He did.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
He actually got a little bit of Vera's respect right
there man and up right there. But it didn't work.
The bikers they find out where they're staying. The bikers
end up going to the uh the barn and they
want to siphon out the gas and attempt to burn
the barn down to get even for investing up the bikes,
but Jason is in the barn. I thought they did

(15:59):
a great job of this movie, hm almost showing Jason
absolutely showing doors closed, showing like, oh oh, there's his
pants leg as he's walking into a building.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
I like how they showed him like hiding behind the
sheets at that one place and you've barely seen a bit.
And then I really liked the scene where I think
it's the pothead and he turns on that light and
then the Jason's in the background. Man, it's really well done.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I agreement. Oh I missed two of my favorite quotes, man,
Two of my favorite quotes a right at the beginning
of the movie, what would a weekend in the country
be without sex? Just every light at the beginning of
the ways hilarious. And there's another one called it's like
I'm not an asshole, I'm an actor. Same thing, hilarious.

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And then when they get when they realize the vand's
not on fire, it's just the stoner dude's in the back.
How about that three D effect of offering the audience
a hit.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, and you you know, even if you don't have
three D glasses, you can it's very easy to tell
which parts we're gonna be three, like the broom handle
or something, cup of way out the yo yo.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
Every time somebody swings a bat or a board, it
goes right. I mean there's every every three seems so oddesome.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
I like the popcorn when he's cooking the popcorn, the
popcorns jumping out at you.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Yep, exactly, man, exactly. So all three of our bikers
get attacked by Jason in the barn, right, and uh,
they're all murdered with a pitchfork. So it's not the let,
it's not the machete, it's the pitchfork.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, didn't Ali, didn't he get hit with the machete
and then hacked up? Well, I thought he was getting
hacked up, but he makes an amazing save at the end.
But I thought he was the one that got the
hatchet or the axe or something.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Right, So here's a little here's a little East egg
for all the fans out there. Jason doesn't have his
machete until well Ali or Ali brings it into the
barn because he has a he has this little gallon

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of gasoline in one hand and a machete in the
other hand, but the door's locked. He can't get the
door open, so he puts them down in order to
open the door. So actually he brings the machete into
the barn, and then Jason Entepp killing Ali and taking

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that machete and hacking him up with it, and then
ever since then you have that image of Jason with
the machete, but that's where he actually gets it from
the biker. Right, So now our murder account just went
up a little bitpepep two and a half, maybe three
people more, right, So what's going on inside the house?

(18:52):
Back in at Higgins Haven, Shelley tries to scare Vera
with a hockey mask and later wanders into the bar
Jason and Burge is wearing Shelley's mask, right, So that's
the moment you're talking about. Jason gets his hockey mask
from Shelley. It is a Detroit Red Wings mask yep. Right,

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And just right there, Vera is trying to get Shelley's
wallet out from the ducks. She like drops it in
the water and it's just far enough out where she's
got to get into the water to get the wallet.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
Right, she sees what she thinks is Shelley coming out
of the barn. She thinks it's Shelley. She's like, hey, oh, yeah,
he's got the Golie mask on. Yeah, he's got the
he's got the Golie mask on. So it's like, hey,
what are you doing? And then she realizes, oh, that's
not Shelley and then slight the eyeball right, the left eyeball.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Man.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Ouch, but it's really good three D effects. Man, if
you're so in the audience, I guarantee you you're duck
in out of the way.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Drink it with absolutely.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
Jason then enters the house and slices a handstanding Andy
with a machete. Oh no, poor Andy.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
You know, did you ever see the terrifier?

Speaker 6 (20:17):
I did?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
I did? That reminds me of the Arthur clown when
the that the you know, he hacksaws that girl when
she's upside down like that. That's why that reminded me
of But he Jason just did it with a magette. Man,
he's just in yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
So uh. There's a gratuitous nudity scene right before that.
She goes off to take a shower, he goes downstairs
to get a beer, and he decides I'm gonna get
my beer while doing a handstand the whole entire time.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Did he go all the way downstairs like that?

Speaker 6 (20:48):
See? I don't think he ever makes it down.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
So I don't think he did either.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
But the problem, Okay, so here's the problem I have
with that scene. If he gets happed up in the
hallway doing a hand stand, and he pretty much get
sliced in half.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
But didn't he make him? Did he make it back
into the room.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
Maybe because when she comes out of the shower, there's
no blood, there's no sign of a wouldn't she have
seen him all sliced up right there? There's no bloody footprints, nothing.
I mean, I can't understand she didn't hear him screaming
because she's got the shower going.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
But she was awful worried about him.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
I thought he was killed right outside the battom. It
may have been, but you didn't see it. She didn't
see it. So Chris, where's Chris at this time?

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Right?

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Chris and Rick they're out there, they're talking out by
the woods. Now. See, I noticed while they were talking
that the Volkswagen bug had its lights on while they
were sitting by the campfire.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
And you know what else, I noticed the windshields fully
intact right there. I didn't see any I didn't see
any glass broken out of it.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
That's nice. I hope not. I hope not. Well I did,
I did miss a kill. Chuck goes downstairs when the
lights go out, right, Chuck goes downstairs and he's thrown
into the fuse box and electrocuted.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
And the lights come back on, and the.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
Lights come back on and they kind of blink a
little bit, and she's like, hey, you fixed it. So
but oh and Chili finds Shelley bleeding. Okay, here's something
I noticed. There's no reason for anybody to think that
there's a crazy killer on the property. No, that's one
of the things this movie does so well, was everyone

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who dies is not running away. They don't know there's
a killer.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Well, do you know that this took place one day
after part two, so there's not been a lot of
newspaper covered, news coverage or any of that. So it's
just one day after part The.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Reason why they shouldn't be there. No, so as the
killings are going, no one sees him kill anybody, nobody
finds a body, So everybody's just going about what they
would normally do, and these bodies are piling up without
anybody noticing. It isn't until it isn't until Chili finds Shelley.

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Remember Shelley, like opens the door and he's bleeding from
his neck.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
And they think he's a.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
First one. She's the first one that notices, Hey, this
is a joke. And then afterwards it's like, oh, it's
not a joke. She's the first one you can have
any awareness that there might be something wrong or something
going on. But it doesn't last long because she gets
a hot poker right to the you know, she gets
hot poker, hot poker, and then uh Rick's car does

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break down. Right, Chris and Rick they're out there out
in the woods campfire. He leaves the lights onto his
folkswagon bug. It drains the battery, so they're forced to
walk back to the house. Right when they walk back
to the house, Jason grabs Rick's head and crushes his
skull with his bare hands, makes his eye pop out yep.

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Jason attacks Chris, who nearly escapes the house. It tries
to flee in her van. But with the van running
out of gas, it runs like it was out of gas.
It was on that bridge.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
How did it perfectly run out right there on the bridge.
And then how is the back right tire just goes through.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
The exactly for some reason, that one tire like just
it is too heavy, so that breaks the bridge.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
So I don't know how that happens. But she she survives.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
She's pretty tough, I think, didn't she she had already
stabbed Jason in the leg or something too, because any
hobbling up behind her when the.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, and that was actually one of the things I
wanted to mention about. I don't know if this is
just me, but this is, what's the first time that
I've seen where Jason shows some sort of supernatural ability
to heal.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, not just that, but he's actually running around in
this movie. He's not doing the fast paced walk, He's
actually walking around. I thought that was pretty you know,
walking fast and stuff.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah, she's fighting him off in the house. She gets
she stabs him in the leg.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I think. I think what I really like about this
is when when Chrissy's telling Rick or whatever at that campfire,
she's talking about being attacked by Jason, but she didn't
know it was Jason, but being attacked by him, and
she said, this guy just came around the corner and
he grabbed him by the leg, you know, and you
see him just wrestling with her and chasing her down
and everything. I like, That's why I like this movie

(25:42):
so much, because it's it's the movie that made me
fall in love with Jason. And the three D helped
a lot too, you know what I mean, when you're
a kid and you get three D glasses. But but yeah,
I think giving Jason a little bit of a backstory there. Now,
they were gonna make it where Jason basically either raped
or had sex with him after they died, too, and

(26:03):
they ended up saying that might be over the edge.
We don't want to go down there, which I'm glad
they didn't because that probably would have turned me off
to this. But yeah, I just like to see him.
He was very mobile, and you do seem take take
a few licks and he keeps on taking.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
But what I liked about it was the fact that
he gets stabbed in the leg and then he's limping
around for a while. Oh yeah, So for the first
few times you see him he's limping ground, and then
later he's not limping anymore. So I'm like, okay, did
it heal?

Speaker 5 (26:34):
He's climbing up.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
The ladder in the barn again, and all that exactly.
And so I started thinking at that time, maybe you know,
this is where he gets some sort of supernatural ability
to heal his wounds, and that's why he can't die
in later movies could be because of this early this
is the first one. We're like, okay, he got hurt. Oh,

(26:56):
but he's still okay after a while. It takes him
a while to recover from that limp. One of the
scenes I love is when the van breaks down and
he uses his head. He's like reaching forward, she like
rolls up the window old school style, rolls up the window,
and he uses his head to break the glass.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Ye, well, the hockey mask.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
The hockey mask. But I thought that was genius because
I would have been stuck. I would just stuck there
with what do I do? Guys, Yeah, I would have.
I would have thought, you know what, I could use
my head to break the glass and get away. I
wouldn't have thought that I would have been stuck there.
But he uses his head to break the glass, which
is pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Yeah, I just I think it's just it's just really
from the first two movies of this when you see
a big increase, I think, m.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
H and she's able to strike him in the head
with an axe right there, and that's how he gets
that legendary like the gash mark in his mask, which
I thought was pretty cool. What did you think about
Ali coming back?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah, that's that's what I was going to ask you earlier,
because if if he was hacking him up, because I
could have swore it was him that he was hacking earlier,
he was, he was.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
They didn't show him getting hacked up, but they show
Jason repeatedly up and down, up and down. You hear
the hacking s.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah, like hitting the ground too, like he's going through
bone and everything, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
Yeah, that's what I was asking.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Yeah, I was like, I but I didn't even really
see any any marks on him either, like he had
been hit at all, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
He looked like he was pretty messed up.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
It's just but but I mean I thought Jason was
like cutting off limbs and everything, the way he was
hacking that down on him.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yeah, that's what I thought too. He would have been
like decapitated.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, or missing an arm or something.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Remember Jason is hung you like in the bar, and
he's hung with a noose.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
And once again, it kind of to me that kind
of showed that he has the ability to heal and
come back, because his next snaps and he's hanging there dead.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well, not only that, but he has the power to
lift himself off that hook too, or whatever, you know,
exactly take it off.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
So I don't know, maybe whenever he dies, he comes
back stronger than he did the last time. Maybe maybe
whenever he's heard he comes back stronger because he gets
stabbed in the leg. He limps around for a while,
then he's better. He's hung, he's hung by the by
the news, his neck snaps, he looks dead, he's acting dead,
and then all of a sudden, boom, he wakes up

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as if, like you know, his supernatural power is kicked in.
He comes back from the dead, and like you said,
he's stronger than he was before because now he's able
to pull himself up on that rope and escape.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
And this is the time where Chris recognizes him as
the same man who attacked her two years prior, so
it's two years ago before that, I don't know. Somehow
Ali wakes up tries to attack Jason, but Jason finishes
him off, but the distractions enough to allow Chris to
strike Jason ahead with an axe. There's the axe mark.

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He staggers momentary towards her for collapsing. Exhausted, Chris pushes
a canoe out in the lake and falls asleep.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Did we not learn anything?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
But she wasn't part of the first movie. She doesn't
know that that's something you're not supposed to do around Jason.
So she gets in a canoe, falls asleep, and wakes up.
What'd you think about that crazy ending to this movie.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
When when basically it was all in her head and
they like the old lady came out of the lake. Yeah,
it kind of reminds me of I thought it was
Norman Bates coming out of the lake. There kind of
looked like his mom coming out of the lake. But yeah,
it looked like Missus Moore's yep. And then you see
the police officers pull up and they're like, oh, well,

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she's in there. She's had a total mental breakdown. She's
the only one that survived, and you see her coming out,
she's like wagging out, dude.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
Well not only that, but like like Jason's not in
the barn anymore, Like he's gone, right, that's part. He's
still there.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Oh her dream yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
Heber dream yeah, Harber dream is he's gone. And then
she gets attacked by the mom that comes.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Out, right, he's still laying in the barn.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah. When she wakes up and she's like being loaded
up in the police car, he's still dead. He's still well,
he's lying there.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
I think now I know I know what happens in
the next movie because because he you know, they take
him to the Morgan. That's where everything I know. But
that's the next movie. I wish they wouldn't have showed
that in her dream, and I wish that it would
have been when they were taking her out and he
just disappeared, you know, kind of like in the original

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Halloween where Luma shoots Michael out the window and then
he goes and looks over and he's like he's gone.
He's like it can't be. I shot him five times
or whatever, eight times a close range. I wish they
would have done that with with with Jason here, just
just even though you thought you may not do anymore
that I would have loved to see that. That would

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have the anticipation like, oh, he's still out there, you
know what I mean? Maybe this girl killed all of
her friends, you know, just throw a little bit of
sea a doubt there.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
I like that idea, like that, what's the body kept
for this movie?

Speaker 5 (32:13):
I'm going with twelve.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Give that man a cigar early twelve. Twelve kills, Well.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
It could be thirteen if we're we don't know about
Abele the hobo guy, right, unless he got killed somewhere
off screen.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
There's a couple of possible ones Jason, but we know
Jason lives Chris. When mom polls are down, you're thinking,
oh no, that's the thirteenth kill, right, The momb polls
are into the lake. But that was part of a dream, right,
So all of these are possible thirteen's, but they show
are twelve or definitely for sure. So twelve kills, man,

(32:56):
You're good, you're good.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Man. They missed, they missed, a missed a prime opportunity
to have thirteen kills, didn't they?

Speaker 6 (33:04):
You know what I was banking on that the whole
time when I was watching and I was keeping count,
I was keeping score.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Well did he did he?

Speaker 6 (33:10):
Well?

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Did he kill any animals in this.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Well a snake got a snake, killed a rabbit, and
there was a dead jack rabbit on the side of
the road.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right. But I don't know if you can contribute those
to Jason or just a crazy driver.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Yeah, that could just be a try badriver. Yeah, but
that's what I have. That's what I have on a
Friday thirteenth, Part three?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Did this one any awards?

Speaker 6 (33:37):
This one?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (33:39):
It did not. It want some recognition, but no awards.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
I have something on the music that I think you'll love,
all right, exactly, man, all right, so you heard it
in a movie.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
All right, it's back the second you heard it in
a movie.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
This film music was composed by Harry man Freddy right,
who previously composed scores for a series of first two installments.
So he was the guy who did the music for
the first one. Manfredini, Right, Manfredini, here's what I thought
was funny. There's a disco themed version of this theme song.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
What did you think of the theme song of this
at the beginning and at the end, it's it's just
not good.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
No, it's just like ad he actually uh, he actually
credited to a fictional band called Hot Ice.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
And so if you were in nineteen eighty two and
you went to a disco, you can hear the song
by Hot Eyes. It was the Friday Thirteenth Part three
theme song with a disco version. According to my notes,
it became popular at disco and gay clubs in nineteen
eighty two rock on. I thought that was amazing. It's

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available in a CD box set. Right, they put them
all together and they made a CD box set of
all the songs from Friday Thirteenth films, at least the
first three films, which I thought was pretty cool. Nice,
But the second I read that it was popular in
disco and gay clubs, yeah, I thought it was so cool,
man it. It is recognized in the American Film Institute.

(35:16):
It is on the list of one hundred Heroes and villains,
and Jason Vorhees is a top one hundred villain of
all time.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely, But.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Overall I didn't see anything says it won any awards.
I'm surprised didn't do anything for the three D effects, right, right,
But it definitely. It definitely took advantage of those three
D effects. This movie was a big hit in the theaters.
I didn't cover this, but it is a big hit
in the theaters. Man, this movie was made in nineteen
eighty two for two point two million. Okay, two point

(35:46):
two million dollars in nineteen eighty two is worth six
point six today. This movie is made for little over
six million dollars. It did thirty six point seven million
at the box office. Two million in today's money. That's
one hundred and seventeen million dollars.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
No wonder they kept spitting out sequels.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, it was made for seven million and it made
one hundred and seventeen million.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
I'll take that anyways, probably not including CD sales and
all merchandisees merchandising. Think about the Friday thirteenth merch I'm
saying this is a multi billion dollar franchise and this
movie did great.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
It's a pure profit, pure profit. What do you have
in the world of Tribua?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Man, all right, man, hold on, buggle up, it's gonna
be a bumpy ride. Well, the house, barn, and lake
were all purpose built on location. The man made lake
wasn't properly sealed, and subsequently the water drained into the
soil during the first week of filmings. Whoops. The Royal
Independent Movie Theater in Toronto, Canada, which closed in two

(36:55):
thousand and six, had owned one of the few copies
of the movie in its original three formatt They used
to screen the film once every Halloween. How cool is that?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
I would go, Well, first off, it would sell out.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Every every every single.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Every single sell out. But man, I would love to
score tickets to that thing. I can't imagine.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I've always I have always wanted to own my own
movie theater, drive in, drive in movie theater, anything like that.
I think it would be fantastic.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Do it, man, Indianapolis. Right there, Well, I got tragedy
of cinema, cinema.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
The tragedy of cinema.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Movies exactly just shows.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
And then hey, free, free, free live podcast spot for
all my podcasting friends to come do live shows.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
There we got there. Okay, remember you said that you
opened the theater. I'll be at the grand opening.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Brother all right. So Jason had talked about the a
little bit about Jenny. She was supposed to Basically, it
was going to be a continuation of her story at
the psychiatric hospital and Jason trying to come and kill her,
but she said, nah, but she probably should have come

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because she probably regrets it. Martin J. Sadoff, the film's
three D effects supervisor, is responsible for coming up with
Jason's trademark hockey mask. Sadolf had always kept a bag
with him full of hockey gear on set because he
was an avid hockey fan. While testing potential masks to
use for Jason, he pulled out a Detroit wed Wings

(38:33):
goalie mask for the test. Director Steven Miner loved the look,
and after making some modifications to the mask, decided to
use it in the film, and the iconic mask is born.
I mean, that's what he's known for, and I think
it looks great.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Like I said, I'm amazed that it takes two and
a half movies to get there.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah. Larry Zerner was cast as Shelley when the producer
spotted him handing out flyers for a horror movie and
asked him if he'd want to star in one himself.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
That's awesome. I like that.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Oh yeah. To prevent the film's plot from being leaked,
the production used the fake title Crystal Japan after a
David Bowie song. This began and on again, off again
tradition of giving Friday the Thirteen Films David Bowie song
titles during filming.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Okay, this is something I didn't know about Richard Brooker.
He was a former trapeze artist and was chosen to
play Jason simply because Steve Miner needed a big man
for the role, being six foot three, but not that bulky.
The slim and tone Brooker wore foam padding under his
clothes and did all of his own stunts.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
Well, that's fairy.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
I never knew he was a trapeze artist.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
No, I didn't know that he was wearing foam mutterers
outfitting either.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
But he looks great. Ye. For Part three, they moved
production from Connecticut to California, where they could be closer
to the Hollywood experts needed for a film that was
attempting to revitalize three D. I really love three D movies.
Think it brings something special. They went away there for
a long time, and I'm glad they see they're finally
coming back around. They told the East Coast base Steve

(40:10):
Daskowitz if he wanted to play Jason as he did
for most of the Part two, he'd have to pay
for his own airfare out to California. He objected, so
the part was recast with Richard Brooker, a former English
trapeze artist who could perform all of his own stunts
in a peer physically intimidating a stature. Now, Jason, if

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they say, hey, you want to reprise your role as
Jason and Friday the thirteenth, but you gotta pay your
own airfare? Are you going to pay your own fair
afair to get out there? Are you going to drive
out there? Are you getting there to be in a movie?
Are you just gonna say eh, I'm done.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
So here's the way I was thinking about with that.
I would probably pay my own airfare and go, but
I wouldn't be very happy about it because I'm like,
wait a minute, I'm the star of the movie and
you're not going to pay for my flight back to
film the next one.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Well, it depends on how much they're paying me, right, Yeah,
you could work something in your contract with that, but
I don't know the details on the pay I didn't
look that deep into that part.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Sure, I'm just thinking that if somebody asks you back
for a sequel, and they're not willing to pay your
airfare back to be in the movie. I'd be like,
wait a minute, I'm the star, I'm the main character. Yeah,
you're not willing to pay for me to come back
and reprise my role.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
That's one thing I wish Friday the thirteenth would have
done like Nightmerre on Elm Street, where they kept the
same actor all the way through.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Yeah, yeah, Robert, he's Freddy Krueger, the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Yeah, except for those remakes or the Robs or not
Robs on me, the you know, the newer ones, the
updated ones.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Oh yeah, yeah. So.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
The three D version contains a title card not seen
in two D home video releases for obvious reasons. After
the paramount picture logo fades out, the card reads, Ladies
and Gentlemen, the first few minutes of this picture are
not in three However, you will need the special three
D glasses. The film then continues as normal, with recap
of the ending of Friday Thirteenth Part two and then
presented in two D. They didn't go back and put

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that in three D, which I don't know how I
feel about. I'm recapping the ending of the part two
in a movie like that, I have was six minutes
of your movie time that you gave away. This was
film was released on a Friday the thirteenth. I like
it when they do that stuff. The three D version
contained to that's the one I just dropped in here again.

(42:32):
According to the book Crystal Lake Memories, Chris past encounter
with Jason was originally intended to imply a sexual assault,
which I talked about earlier. The series was meant to
conclude with This Century, and the writers wanted audiences to
be pleased with Jason's demise, reasoning that if he were
portrayed as a rapist, they would have no interest in
seeing him come back. It was ultimately decided this was

(42:53):
too dark a direction to take the character, and those
elements were removed from the film. Or they said, we're
making a lot of money, we're not going where he
don't want to, just gill him up where he doesn't
want to come back.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Maybe that's why at the end of the movie he's
just lying there dead. It's like, okay, we can close
the trilogy right now because he's dead. He's at the park,
he's gone.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
This was Paramount's first three d film since Ulysses in
nineteen fifty four, twenty eight years earlier. Now there's something
down here a little bit further that says something about
fifty six years. I'll get to it here in a minute,
so I don't know which one's actually right. But around
one hour and four minutes, when Debbie first opens the
Fangoria magazine, I love that she's reading Fangoria while lying

(43:31):
in the hammack. The article she slips past is about
Tom Savini, who was in charge of makeup a special
effects in the first Friday of the thirteenth, And man,
does he do some of amazing work and everything he
touches good people.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
He's a legendary make up artist.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Absolutely. Tracy Savage quit acting after this and earned a
journalism degree. She became a reporter, but continued to receive
fam mail from Friday the Thirteenth fans throughout her entire career.
Although it appears sunny and warm, this film was shot
during a January February winter. Several night scenes were trimmed
in order to conceil the actor's visible breath appearing on screen.

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And that's one thing I noticed about Rick. He's wearing
like a flannel shirt and then he has that sweater on.
Did you notice that. I'm like, man, this is in
the middle of the summer, man.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
You can be wearing us summer out the woods.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
By some estimates, Paramount was forced to spend between eight
and ten million to actually get Part Three into theaters.
That's because they ended up making, supplying, and installing the
individual lenses and silver screens required to project Part Three
in all one thousand and seventy nine theaters which showed
the film opening weekend August nineteen eighty two. They also

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had to train the projectionists at theaters and establish a
twenty four hour hotline for all the theater and countering
problems with three d's That is crazy. How would you
like to be that it guy? Hey, we need you
to come over here to Houston, Bond, We need you
to come down here to Dallas. We need to come
to McCallin. You know, we got problems with our three D.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
That's crazy, man. So I mean, if you think about it,
not that many like theaters were equipped for the three
D Brian Facts, so you'd have to go in and
make sure that they unhandled the movie.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Why did they decide to do it in three D.
Then they needed an advertising gamming now that audiences has
caught onto their storytelling formula, and two months after the
release of Part two, a three D comedy western from
Spain called Coming at You made a stunning for the
time twelve million, mostly due to the novelty of its
use of three D. Since Friday the Thirteenth was better

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on stabbing instruments and protruding outward at the screen, a
three D version seemed natural, so Friday the Thirteenth, Part
three became the first paramount film in three D. Since
this is nineteen fifty six, so I'm not really sure
it was fifty six to fifty four, as well as
the first ever three D film to receive a wide
theatrical release from a major Hollywood studio. The scarcity of
three D equipment or three D equipped theaters in the

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past demanded three D films only play on a limited
number of screens, and the original script the character of
Rick was called Derek. It was changed to Rick because
it was one less syllable and therefore easier to scream,
oh my goodness, Rick. So Part three was the first

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production to use the Marks three D system, and it
was a constant learning process. The earliest scenes they filmed,
such as the opening tracking shot and Shelley and the
bikers at the convenience store, had to be completely reshot
due to difficulties with the three D camera. Plus they
had to be careful about which colors to include in costumes,
and everything had to be lit far brighter than normal.

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It took hours to set up individual shots, meaning the
actors on the film spent most of their time simply
sitting around waiting for the next shot to be set up,
a common onset experience for actors, but just far longer
than normal. This time, this focus on three D spilled
over to the actors. Initially, they were asked to learn
how to use a paddle ball for a planned three

(47:01):
D sequence. When that was scrapped, they looked any for
any way the actress could do something that would play
well in three D, like Larry Zerner's juggling or throwing
a wallet straight at the camera, or another actor dropping
a Yoho down towards the camera. Indeed, many of the
actors now recall that there were far more focus on
finding cool three D things for them to do than acting.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Yikes, and looking back on that knowing that trivia. Looking
back on it now, you're like, why was there a
three minute yo yos?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, two minutes a popcord?

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Yeah? Why was this juggling scene? So you know, but
it works, it works, It worked. Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
For the original ending, Chris awakens in the canoe on
christ the Lake after the events of the previous evening
left her as the loan survivor. Chris rows the canoe
back to shore and begins walking towards the house with
an exhausted demeanor. She suddenly hears a noise from the
house and thinks it's Rick begins to rush to the
porch of the house. While she arrives at the front door,
It's sudden burst open and Jason emerges, to the surprise

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of Chris. Jason then grabs Chris by the hair and
chops her head off with a machete. These images show
the original look of Jason Vorhees as well, which was
a mass designed by effects artist Stan Winston. After the
decision was made to excise this original ending, the look
of Jason was completely overhauled to what we see now
in film today. I like how they do multiple endings.

(48:25):
I think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's is pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Tracy Savage said decades later that she was uncomfortable performing
her nude scenes, but joked that now she looks back
in fondness because her reminds her of how great her
body used to be. At the beginning of the movie,
when Jason is walking around the clothesline for a split second,
you can see his face partially covered by a shadow
and blatantly tell that his Stan Winston version of the face,

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specifically when you see Jason still wearing the Part two
cover holes. This is the only time in the movie
you can see this version of Jason's face unless you
count to cut alternate endings, so the Winston version does
in fact show up in the theatrical cut, albeit very
very briefly. According to Larry Zerner in the documentary Crystal

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Lake Memories, The Complete History of Friday the Thirteenth, there
was a scene in the original script where after Vera
and Shelley leave the country store to head back to
the bar and the motorcycle gang was terrorized. We're going
to terrorize them inside the stored. We're supposed to chase
them down the road. Shelley was supposed to fire a
corkscrew at them from a wine bottle he bought at

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the country store, causing them to crash. But for unknown
reasons this was shot. Can you imagine the three D
effect of that corkscrew coming at him? Man?

Speaker 6 (49:40):
So say the tire.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
First six minutes of this movie was from Part two.
This Part three is the only Friday is the thirteenth
film in which none of the characters actually say the
name Jason. Maybe this is because Part three takes place
one day after Part two, and Jason's legendary slasher exploits
are effectively still developing over a long weekend at that point.

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Two different masks were actually used for this film, one
hero mask and one stunt mask. The hero was lost
to time now to Marty becker shop door after the movie,
whereas the stunt mask went on to feature as the
hero in Part Let's see That's Part four, the Final
Chapter and five A New Beginning. This is sad Here.

(50:25):
In two thousand and five, a hardcore fan lit a
fire in the fake fireplace in the cabin, which resulted
in the cabing being burnt to the ground. Oh you idiot,
I'm gonna have caught a cold we a lot of
fire is a fake fireplace, idiot. Despite the number three
used on the title and all the cover art, the

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opening titles use Roman numerals. By the way, this film
features an all brunette cast except for Amy Steals Ginny
in the archival footage at the beginning. So it's all brunettes,
no blondes.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Oh wow, that's.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Why they fall back a little bit, all right. This
movie was part of an early mid nineteen eighty cycle
of three D movies. Let me know if you've ever
seen any of these three D movies, Jason, are you ready?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
All right?

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Let me hear starchaser, The Legend of or In nineteen
eighty five, metal Storm, The Destruction of Jaredson nineteen eighty three,
Jaws three D from nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
I have, but not the three D version. I've seen
it like on television.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
So, oh man, that's a great one that happened three
D Parasite nineteen eighty two. Yeah, Amityville three D nineteen
eighty three.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
I think the same thing. It's like, I didn't know
these movies were in three D when I watched him.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
You didn't know they were in color either, because you
were watching on black and white TV. You weren't.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
I had to watch it through my neighbor's windows.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
The Man Who Wasn't There in nineteen eighty three, Silent
Madness nineteen eighty four, Dogs of Hell nineteen eighty three,
Coming at You in nineteen eighty one, Friday Thirteenth, Part three,
obviously this one, Space Hunter Adventures in the Forbidden Zone,
and Treasure of the Four Crowns in nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
No, it's a lot of three D movies in.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
That time, right. I don't know if they were all terrible,
but I don't know if a lot of them came
to I know Jaws did, and I think Amityvillda, But
I don't remember any of those other ones in the
movie theater exactly.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
That's a lot of bad movies.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
How do you know they're bad if you've never seen them? True,
that's been thank you. So this film was this is
a tough one to talk about. So this film was
originally going to include scenes which I talked about earlier,
that established Jason Verhies had sexually assaulted some of the
women he had later killed. But this element was next
after one scene was filmed along those lines. Because of

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production agreed that making Jason into a rapist was a
bad New Element choice. They felt that it would ruin
the shock that it woul ruin the shocking but true
fact that fans of the series actually like Jason as
a horror movie monster character, even after he's been a
mass murder in every edition. We don't need to add
rapist to his reports.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
So let me ask you this. He was he drowned
in the lake.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
How did he How did he keep growing?

Speaker 6 (53:20):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
How did he keep growing?

Speaker 6 (53:23):
No? But well, yeah, that he he drowns in the lake.
Mm hmm because the camp counselors were having.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Sex and weren't paying attention to him and.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Weren't paying attention. So is that why he doesn't become
a rapist or is that why he has a problem
with all the sexual stuff.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Well, wouldn't matter because they're still not paying attention to him.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
True, right, And he's he's a man now. Somehow he
grew in the lake.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yeah, that's one thing I always had a problem with.
But what am I to say? He's still my favorite? Uh.
This is the first, but not only Friday the thirteenth
film where Jason starts off with no mask. Can you
tell me the other ones?

Speaker 6 (54:05):
There's the one where he's buried in the dirt and
lighting hits him wakes him up. Is that part?

Speaker 5 (54:12):
That's Part six Jason Lives.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
I do believes.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
The other one is Jason X No Friday, the thirteenth
Part A. Jason Takes Manhattan.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Oh Okay.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Stan Winston Studios designed and sculpted a one piece pullover
mask on a head cast of Richard Brooker, the actor
set to play Jason Voorhees. Winston took the character. I
wanted to take the character into a new direction by
discarding the dislocated eye look of the previous two films.
The sculpture was molded and cast in foam latex and
then painted. Quote. I went to Stan's lab. They made

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a mold on my face, said actor Richard Brooker, and
then they made a latex mask. And that's what I
wore all the way through the movie. Although Richard Brooker
wore Winston's foam latex mask in most of his scenes,
by the time shooting commenced there was a dissatisfaction with
the design. For some reason, they didn't like the mask,
noted Booker Or Brooker. Sorry. I think the three guys

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on the sub were Detroit Red Wings hockey fans, so
they came up with the idea to cover with the
hockey mask. Before the hockey mask, you never really saw
Jason's face anyway, but I was wearing the Stan Winston mask,
so he was wearing it.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
It looks really good when he's not wearing a mask
in his eyes.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
It looks he looks really good. Well, here's another one.
In the book Crystal Lake Memories, actor David Katamis, who
played Chuck, had many unflattering things to say about his
involvement in this film. Among them is that he really
disliked the finished product. On page ninety four, exactly page
ninety four, he recalls that after the cast and crewise screening,

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he worked up the courage to go over to director
Steve Minor and producer Frank Minusko's junior. He states, I
don't know where I got the balls to say, hell
you this, but I just said, this is crap. They
said that this is Friday the thirteenth and it's in
three D. Those two things will make it a hit,
and they were right. This makes David one of the
several original Paramount Pictures. ERAIC cast members of the series

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to use vulgarities to slam the respective picture they appeared
in while take talking to the author of Crystal Lake Memories,
including Betsy Palmer from the first nineteen eighty film, actor Stubtman,
Ted White, who was Jason in the final chapter, and
actress Kimberly Beck Trish, also from the final chapter. Stan
Winston's version can briefly be seen in the supermarket scene,

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as well the dream Scenele's with Chris, and in the
scene where Jason watches from the barn as Shelley vera
Lee for the village in the Volkswagen Beatle. The Winston
mask was also originally used for the climatic scene where
Jason b heads Chris, but the inning was reshot featuring
the new makeup from the unmasking sequence, designed and sculpted
by Douglas G. White and applied by White and Myers.

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The Chris's Man is a nineteen seventy nine Dodge tradesman
and Rix Carr is a nineteen sixty three Volkswagen Beetle.
Besides Chris, Abel is the only other main character to
survived this film unless he was killed off screen by Jason,
like we talked about earlier. Yeah, and yes, there was
a Directoro cameo. Do you know where the director was
their bond.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
M I'm gonna have to say he was. Hey, there's
not really that many opportunities.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
He was the TV newscaster. Oh so there you have
a bond.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
That's tricky, tricky, tricky, so bond. Check this out. Here's
a list of some of the horror movies that came
out in nineteen eighty two. Okay, this was a number
twenty one movie of nineteen eighty two. Here's some of
the horror movies that came out nineteen eighty two. It's amazing,

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culture Geist.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Great movie, Creep Show, Love It, Creep Show too too, Okay, the.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
Thing John Carpenter, Halloween three.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
I like Halloween three. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
Slumber Party, Massacre, Love It, Amityville too, The Possession. Yeah,
all of those movies came out in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
It's like I said, man, some of these years you
get movies that it's just it's crazy some of the
stuff that comes out at the same time and your
choices to which movie am I going to see?

Speaker 6 (58:43):
The night you know, yeah, every Friday, every weekend, you'd
have a choice to make me well.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
I think at one time, I want to say whenever
there was like I want to say, I don't remember
the exactly, but it was like Shawshank Redemption Forst. Gump
and like two other Titans. There's like four movies that
were all like huge and like at the same time
at the same time.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Okay, So another proposed concept for part three we talked
about the psychiatric hospital. What about this one? It focuses
on Genie, who begins learning self defense and returns to
college after surviving an ordeal with in the previous film. Right,
and after finding a corpse in her dormitory, she and

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another character tracked down Vorhees and face him in a
final confrontation. No, she goes off to college, learns taekwondo
and then hunts him down.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
No.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
No, because it doesn't happen at Crystal Lake. Right, it
doesn't happen in the Woods.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Well, Jason takes Manhattan doesn't take place there either.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
We could talk about the crumbling of the franchise.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
I still love it. I still hey. At least we
don't have that stupid Halloween timeline that thing's out of control.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Rough and overall, here's my final thoughts. This is a
great movie. It's a great franchise. I like Jason Voorhees,
I like the storyline. The more and more you study
these movies, the more and more you get in these movies.
I think, the more you admire these movies because there
is something deeper to it. It's the fact that in

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the first movie, it's the mom you know I'm saying,
in this movie, he gets his mask. You see the
evolution of the characters through of the movies, and I
really really like that. I really really like that. Is
the acting any good? No is the writing any good?
It's kind of cheesy at times.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Half the movies of the eighties.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I agree, and you know, but when it comes
to horror movies, I think, I mean, I hate to
be a copycat, but I have to admit Jason's probably
one of my favorites too. I know he's one of
your favorites. I think he's just one of my favorites too.
I've never been a big fan of Freddy krueger Me either.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
I don't think his jokes are funny. I don't like
the idea of anything can happen in a dream. So
He's never appealed to me. Chucky's never appealed to me.
He's just a little dull. He's not that scary to me.
So I've never really been a big fan of those guys.
Do I like the movies? Yeah, but I'm not a

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really big fan this movie right here, I give a
seven seven out of ten. I think, especially for a
part three, that's really good. That's really good for a
part three.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
I love this movie. Like I said, it's it's where
my infatuation with Jason came from. This is the one
that where he got his hockey mask is very iconic.
I have a Jason hockey mask here. It's a black one,
but it's signed by Ari, like the one that played Jason,
the first one or second one, one of them. And

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then I like the three D aspect of this. I
think it really pushed it over the edge, especially at
a time when three D it wasn't really a thing.
I remember like watching Hondo three D where you had
to go get your glasses at like subway or Dairy
Queen or something and then go home and watch it
because it was on regular TV. And it was old
John Wayne movie. And then they did like Creature from
the Black Lagoon. I remember several of those that they

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would come on TV and you had to have those
glasses and you had to watch it. There was no pausing,
so if you had to go to the bathroom, you
had to go at the break time. I just like
I like Jason's kills. I think they're very cool. I
really really did not like Freddy Versus Jason. I liked
it because Jason's in it. I would have much rather

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seen Jason versus Michael Myers. I think you could. There
is some really good fan videos of that on YouTube
where they've done whole movies of Freddy versus Jason and
the fights they have with machetes and knives and in
the woods. It's it's great and I wish we could
get that movie made, and I think it would be fantastic.

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I think it would make so much money, so much money.
As long as the.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Script for the prefer the silent killers, the silent slashers,
then you do the sarcastic ones.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
We well art the clown's pretty, he's silent, but he's sarcastic.
That makes it. He's got he's he's he's funny. He's like,
you know, he's got the little horn and the sunglasses
on and all that. But but I like, I like
a slasher movie that's that's scary. Like to me, something

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like Jason or Michael Myers, they could really happen. Art
the clown could really happen. It's you know, we'll talk
about killer clowns in the future or future episode. But
I think when it's something like that, it just adds
Like what was the movie with the Strangers where those
people can come and they break into that people's house

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and torture. That stuff can happen, and that makes us scream.
I mean, kids today are crazy too, so all that
stuff like that, that's real life. I think it's scarier
than Freddy Telling making a joke, you know. I mean,
it's just not my cup of tea. I mean, don't
get me wrong. I'm thankful for the Nightmare on m
Street franchise and the Chucky franchises. I like Chucky. I

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think he's funny. I like Leprechaun. I think he's great.
I just anything that deals with horror like that I'm
gonna be a fan of. It doesn't mean that when
I say I don't like Freddy, I don't mean I
don't like Freddy like I hate him. I just don't
enjoy his movies as much as I do Friday the thirteenth, Halloweens,
you know, Chucky, all those all those other ones. For me,

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I just for the fact that this is Jason. Jason
gets his mask the three D and the story is
all right, it's all right. I like the nerdy guy,
and I like how the nerd actually is the one
that gave Jason his mask. I love it. I love
it to pieces. So for me, give me an eight
point five on this movie. I think if you're uh

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a Jason fan, that you have to go back to
this movie and see where it all basically came together.
He started to see Jason actually take for him. Actually,
it kind of started in part two when he had
the one eye looking out of the sack. I think
the hood that was great for me too. I love
that version of Jason too. But I think this guy's performance,
Brooker's performance as Jason. You couldn't tell he was wearing

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foam padding. You thought he was just this real, big,
muscular guy. I like how he was agile, he could
move around. He wasn't the I hate it when Michael
Myers and Jason do that slow, stupid walk, you know,
and you got, you know, the girls running as hard
as they can, and you know, ultimately they're going to
trip over a log in the wood or find a
hole and twist their ankle or something stupid. But but

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but I like. I like the fact that they made
Jason mobile in this one, and he could actually run
around chase the girls down. If you remember the scene
the flashback where he's actually chasing after that girl and
he's running after and dragging her back down. I like
that that that that's another element to Jason that you
just hardly saw after this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
I like the fact that this movie takes place a
day or two after the last time.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
One day after. Yeah, it's crazy. I think that's pretty
pretty cool. Well, we are the tragedy in podcast. We
hope you're enjoying the summer sequels. We got several more planned.
I'm not really sure which way we're gonna go yet,
but I know eighty Z will be coming in for
a back to the Future too one soon, so be
on the lookout for that. So any final thoughts there

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bond once again.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
Watch this movie, go back, watch it, review it, let
us know what you think. Think on Facebook. Tell a
friend to start watching these movies. If you're a fan
of slasher films, this is one of the holy trilogies
of slasher guys, I think, and so you really got
to check it out. This is a good one and
I really enjoyed this one.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
You can still find copies of the Blu ray and
DVD with the three D glasses still in it. I
highly recommend getting that watching it in three D.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Oh yeah, the three D is some of the best. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Oh yeah, Well, I think this episode's coming to your close.
And that's a wrap and cut. The tragedy of cnem WM.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
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