Superman (2025)

Join Jimbo and Bond as they review the new Superman movie from 2025!  For the first time in the history of The Tragedy of Cinema Podcast, we review a movie that is still in the theaters.  Can the newest Superman hold up to the Superman movie from 1978?  Warning:  There are ALOT of Spoilers in this episode, so please if you have not watched the movie yet, please go see it before listening to this episode.  Hope you enjoy!

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Speaker 4 (01:18):
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serious right now?

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
You'd let me interview you as Superman?

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Sure, ready, let's do it, Cronkite Superman, miss Lane.

Speaker 7 (01:51):
Recently you've come under a lot of fire for what
some might want.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Today.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
The secretary of to f And said, he was going
to look into your actions.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
That's funny. My actions. I stopped a war. Maybe not,
maybe I did. In effect, you illegally entered a country.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
This is how you're going to be I'm not the one.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Being interviewed, Superman.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Did you consult with the president?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
You seemingly acting as a representative.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Except and we're doing good.

Speaker 8 (02:32):
I would question myself in the same situation and consider
the consequence people were going to die.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Hey, buddy, I was up here.

Speaker 9 (03:04):
Your choice, your actions, that's what makes you who you are.

Speaker 10 (03:24):
Superman, he's not a man, he's an it somehow become
the focal point of the entire world's conversation, but.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Will not accept that.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
I claimed your boots.

Speaker 11 (03:47):
I'll go get 'em for you.

Speaker 8 (03:48):
You have a.

Speaker 12 (04:15):
Dog, all right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of
Cinema Podcast. I'm your host, Jimbo. And look up in
the sky. It's a bird. It's a play. No, it's
my co host. Hey, it's Bond, Bond Bond. Today we

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are doing something that we have never ever done in
the six and a half years of the Tragedy of
Cinema podcast existence. We are covering a movie that is
still in the movie theater. No true story, True Story,
and we are doing Superman, the twenty twenty five movie.

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I know I'm I'm a big nerd. Superman's my favorite superhero.
I know Bond's a big nerd too, because he just
showed me some teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles autographs he was
getting on a comic book cover at a convention down
there in Texas. So, Bond, are you a are you
a Superman fan?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I love Superman. Superman is what made me fall in
love in comics, yeah, back in the eighties.

Speaker 12 (05:20):
Man, absolutely. I I what really got me is I've
always been a Superman. Obviously, the Christopher Reeve movie when
I was a kid, loved it. Those were always he
is My Superman. But the whole death of Superman and
the return of Superman with the four different guys coming
back still and super Boy and all that in the
comic book series. I was there buying those every single

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week because it was such a fantastic storyline. It captivated
me as a young adult, and I loved it, so
Bond before go ahead.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
The John Byrne Man of Steel mini series that came
out in the eighties, Like You're saying the death of
Superman just all the whole, all the writers, all the art.
It's what maybe fall in love with comic books man.

Speaker 12 (06:03):
Oh yeah, that in the Nightfall series of Batman. Those
two together right there is what It's perfect.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
So Bond.

Speaker 12 (06:12):
Before we get started, though, once again, we see Lex
Luthor making appearance as the antagonist in the Superman movie Bond.
Where are you going to rate this guy's performance as
Lex Luthor all time with the other Lex Luthor's all.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Right, So first we got to put a spoiler warning
out there for this big spoiler seeing this movie, do
not listen to this podcast until you see it.

Speaker 12 (06:36):
Yes, it's gonna be spoiler heavy in this.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Episode because very spoiler heavy. We might even get a
little bit we both like this movie.

Speaker 12 (06:43):
We might even get a little bit nerdy in this episode.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Oh, we're definitely gonna get.

Speaker 12 (06:47):
We're getting down and nerdy, not down and dirty.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I put this Lex as number.

Speaker 12 (06:55):
Two, number two. Who you put in is number.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
One version of him at all? Number two? Who's number one?
Then Smallville?

Speaker 12 (07:04):
Yes, sir, I agree one hundred percent. I think that
Michael Rosenmom's character as Lex Luthor just I just restarted
watching Smallville last week. I think I'm on episode three
right now. I love that TV series. It is so good, Bob,
maybe we should just do an episode by episode review
of Smallville. That's how nerdy we are awesome? All right,

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maybe we'll put that in the plans. But I think
you gotta go Michael Rosenbaum then this guy, and I'm
probably gonna go Gene Hackman here, even though he didn't
really have the classic hair doo, the bald head, he
always had that little comb over. And then you know,

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you get down to what was it Kevin Spacey when
he was wasn't he in Superman Returns? And then and
then who's out of the one? Jesse Eisenberg or whatever
that was in? Yeah. No, I just think that this guy,
he nails it. And from the notes that I have,

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the guy that played Superman and the guy that played
like Luthor in this movie, they both actually took stuff
from the Smallville TV series and incorporated into their characters,
as well as the Christopher Reeve Superman. Corn Sweet said
that he tried to portray some of that, which I
think he does a pretty good job.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
I studied Christopher Reeve and how he went from Clark
Kent to Superman.

Speaker 12 (08:32):
Yes, And that's one thing I wanted to mention at
the beginning of this is because I think that his
portrayal of Clark kenon this is good. It's almost like
watching a nerd again, like you know, Christopher Reeve. Nobody's
gonna top Christopher Reeve ever, right ever, And you know what,
I was on board as I really enjoy Henry Caville.

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I think he did a fantastic job at Superman. But
this Superman there's just something different about him, and I
can't quite put my fingers on it.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
It's more it's almost going back.

Speaker 12 (09:03):
To its roots, like the roots of Superman and not
the godlike character that we've seen in the Justice League
of the film's past.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I think the words you're looking for is wholesomeness, thank you,
thank you, You're weightesome. Yeah, just like Christopher Reeve was wholesome. Yep.
You believed, you believe the Clark Kent character more than
you did the Superman character. Oh. Absolutely. To me, Clark
Kent's the harder cell yep.

Speaker 12 (09:26):
And I like that even this guy has his hair
different than Clark than Superman. In this movie, it's kind
of all tangled mess like it's just good. Yeah, But Bond,
we consid her and rattle all day long without giving
out any facts or information or talking about this. So
why don't you go ahead and see what we got
to start this off with?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
All right, man, we'll ship away at the facts as
we talk about opinions. Superman twenty twenty five superhero film
based on the Siegel and Shuster comic from nineteen thirty eight. Right,
they pulled from so many different comic book worlds to
get this movie done. It's directed by James Gunn, written

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by James Gunn. Of course we know James Gunn. He's
a modern, a modern guy when it comes to comic books.
He started with a movie called Slither. He's then Guardians
of the Galaxy one through three. He's produced, he's directed,
he's written Suicide Squad. He's the reason people are excited
about the new DC Universe, cinematic Universe is everyone's excited

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about what he's gonna do with this whole DC thing.

Speaker 12 (10:29):
Now, Bond, were you a fan of his Guardians of
the Galaxies? I was the first one, Me too, exactly
was I was gonna say the first one?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
The first One's great because he took these characters that
no one knows unless you're a really deep comic nerd
and made it where you like the characters. It was
the first comic book movie where I thought the humor worked,
where I was like, Hey, this movie's actually funny. They're
not trying to be funny, They're actually funny. Yep. And
so I'm excited about what he's gonna do with DC.
I love the fresh star he's taken. Man. This movie

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is prettyduced by Peter Saffron and James Gunn. Cinematography by
Harry Branham. The budget for this movie, Oh, this movie
came out in twenty twenty five, so the release date
was July seventh, July eleventh everywhere but in one theater
on July seventh. The running time is one hundred and
twenty nine minutes, a little over two hours. This movie's

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budget was two hundred and twenty five million dollars, which
today would be two hundred and twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 12 (11:31):
Like kind of inflation calculator thereon.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, I tested for inflation, that would be two hundred
twenty ninety.

Speaker 12 (11:38):
That'd still be a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
At the box office. So far after the first week,
week and a half, let's say ten days, four hundred
and eight million dollars worldwide. And so this movie is huge.
And we are two weeks tomorrow. I think might be too,
might mark the two week and it came out. So

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this Why stars David corn Sweat as Superman slash Clark
Kent slash kal El. He is from the TV show
House of Cards. He was actually making the movie Twisters,
and James Gunn called him up and offered him the role. Yep,

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so we know from Twisters. Here's something really cool I
found out about David corn Sweat. His grandfather invented the
choose your own adventure books. Really yeah, I love you.
Know you're in elementary school, choose their adventure? Hey, do
you want to walk into the cave? If so, turn
to page seventeen. Do you want to go home and

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have a cookie with your grandma? Turn to page twenty.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
And you go to page seventeen and find out that
you've been eaten by a bear. And then you go
back and pick the other page.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
I mean, go home to grandma Ida. Oh yeah, if
you saw the words the end, you'd always go back
and change your mind his grandfather invented the Chooser and
Adventure books.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's awesome. I know, I thought that was great. This
movie also has Rachel Brosnahan. She plays Lois Lane.

Speaker 12 (13:10):
A fabulous Lois Lane, I might add.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Would you say the best Lois Lane?

Speaker 12 (13:16):
You know what I'm going to say?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes? Well, yes, okay.

Speaker 12 (13:24):
The reason I like it is because she played an
older Lowis Lane than what we used to recently. She
she seems like she is a veteran news reporter, you
know what I mean, Like she's been there a while now.
I did like Margot Kidder, don't don't throw stones at

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me because she is Lowis Lane. Like I said, I
can't compare anything to the original Superman movie because it's
my favorite. Superman two is my favorite movie of all time,
probably so that that holds a special place in my heart.
But I am happy with this Lowis Lane, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
The thing I loved about this Lowest Lane, which she
was smart, yes, just in the trailer that we just
played where she's drilling him with question after question after
question right there. That establishes her as this world class reporter.

Speaker 12 (14:14):
And that's what I like about this Superman and Lois
Lane romance if you will is she's not a Superman's
not afraid to yell back at her. He's like, people
are going to die. And she's like, well, did you
consult the president?

Speaker 4 (14:28):
He's like yeah.

Speaker 12 (14:29):
She's like, well, did you consult the president of wherever
they were fighting? He's like yeah, She's like where she said?
He said, well, you know, we went out and you
know I held him up against the cactus or whatever.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
And she's like, oh, okay, so you tortured he was
a world leader against his will?

Speaker 12 (14:43):
Right? So I like that. I like that you're seeing
the conflict between Lois and Clark. Okay, Superman in this
movie right from the get go. I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
She didn't have that awkward poem that Margot Kidder has
in Superman. She like has this reflective poem then.

Speaker 12 (15:05):
Am I am I dreaming? You remember that?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yes? I don't know what that was all about.

Speaker 12 (15:12):
Well, and she wasn't a chainsmoker in this one. True.
She was addicted to sugar. I think because of the
coffee cup.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Member. She just keeps up the sugar there. I'm like, wow,
oh that's right right. She's an excellent less lex Luthor
or not Looking Lane. That's awesome, Leis Lane. She played
in The Marvelous Miss Masel on TV. Have you ever
seen that show? That is a great show. It's an
Emmy Award winning program where she plays Miss Mazel as

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a stand up comedian in the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 12 (15:43):
Yeah, but that's not a marvel show, is it.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
No, it's the mar that's what it's called. The Marvelous
Miss Maiseel.

Speaker 12 (15:48):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, then I've seen actually seen that.
It's over there, like in England or somewhere right.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I just seen one episode that's like in the Cat Skills.

Speaker 12 (15:55):
I only saw like one episode. If I did, it's.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Really good stuff. Man was also in House of Cards
and she's also made appearances on the Blacklist. She was
in the movie Unborn the Amateur and her aunt is
a famous designer, Kate Spade follow designers. You can tell.

Speaker 12 (16:17):
My face is like, yeah, oh good for her.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
But Kate Spade, if you if you know your designers,
then you know she's a household name. I'm saying, so
that's pretty cool. We also have Nicholas Holt as Lex Luthor.

Speaker 12 (16:31):
Fantastic job.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
We described him. He is amazing as Lex Luthor. I
think he's the I think he's the second best, but
only because he had two hours to develop this character,
right right right right. Let us if you take all
all the scenes where he wasn't in, he's probably on
in the thirty forty five minutes worth of movie. He's

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established his character. How many episodes of Smallville? Well that's
spoils it. Where there where he had a chance to
developed six.

Speaker 12 (17:00):
Seven seasons or nine seasons or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
It's it's ridiculous. Is that why he's the best Lex
Luthor because he's had nine season to develop it compared
to no. I just know.

Speaker 12 (17:11):
I just think that the Lex Luthor and smumbled. He
was like he was at cocky, arrogance, suave rich, you
know what I mean. But then again, it could have
been and I think his dad helped a lot. Vionil
Luther helped help get that character going too, because you
hated his dad too and that. But the one this

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is the one thing that I hated about this movie,
and I'm gonna say it right here.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So oh spoiler the spoiler alert.

Speaker 12 (17:39):
Right here is I did not like Lex Luthor calling
out the moves like to his cronies like K fourteen
and is showing Ultraman swinging his right arm at Superman
or G ninety four.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
It was like he was.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
Playing and putting cheat codes on a Sega game Shark
or game Genie or something. It just I don't know,
did you like that?

Speaker 13 (18:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Not really, because I think it would have been better.
I mean, with all the technology they had and the
clothing and all this stuff, he didn't have AI. Well,
not only that, but I would have been able to
read the moves faster.

Speaker 12 (18:17):
Not only that, why couldn't he have? Yeah, why couldn't
he have just called him out into the guy's headset
instead of having fifteen guys up there in Lexicore or
luther Core, you know, inputting him. Why couldn't he just
went straight into tell well what to do.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
An AI program, a basic AI program would have been
able to read the moves ahead of time faster than
he could react. Right, Yeah, that's true too, you know
what I'm saying. So why would he have to do
the first place? We know Nicholas Holt he was in
a movie called about a Boy, X Men, First Class,
Mad Max, Fury Road and Not Sferatu are the movies
that I picked out that he's been in lately. And

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we also saw I'm gonna butcher this name. Man, I'm sorry,
I'm gonna butcher it. Edi Gathegi as mister terrific. I
think that's the way you pronounce his name, Edika theory.

Speaker 12 (19:08):
I'm sure we'll probably slaughter it several times throughout this episode,
so we're sorry in advance.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I'm sorry. I apologize for that. Man. But how fantastic
was he? He was great, Mister terrific. He sold mister
terrific every scene he was in. He probably has upset
idiots around him.

Speaker 12 (19:29):
He probably has the most memorable scene in the movie
besides the one, and that's the one where him and
Lois go to the camp Luther's camp and he throws
that dome around Lois and he takes out all the
Luthor guards there with the balls to that song as
he's dancing around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was That was

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a fantastic scene of the movie.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
And then he just takes down the dome and grabs
her and said let's go, yeah, and they all fall off.
That was awesome.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
He's in a show called Into the bad Lands. He
was also an X Men first class. And I'm sure
all the ladies out there will recognize him as being
part of the Twilight series. So he was in all
the Twilight movies. Did you like the Twilight's movies? I'm
a sucker for the first one. I thought the first
one was pretty good and then it got kind of
like carried Away.

Speaker 12 (20:19):
Let me let me, let me tell you what kind
of sucker I am. So I had my first kidney
stone right and I just got out of the hospital.
I hadn't passed it yet, so I'm sitting on the
couch and man, the pain's just so bad. I decided
to put Twilight on. Talk about pain upon pain.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'd rather have another kid can give me too. I
thought you're gonna say, just watching it made the kidney
stone pass.

Speaker 12 (20:45):
It did pass, daring yet I ain't gonna lie. That's
why even the kidney stone, and I'll tell you when
it happened was right around where Edward stops the car
from hitting her. That's when I had to go to
the bathroom. You're past it's out.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Oh awesome, Mister Terrific is great in this movie. Yes,
I love the t spheres. I love the way that
James gunn. I love the way they portrayed the te
spheres that surrounded him all the time.

Speaker 12 (21:10):
I like how Crypto eats them.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, he thinks scenes. We just when they tell Crypto
crypto toy toy and get the toy in the.

Speaker 12 (21:20):
Yeah, you see his little tongue and everything, grab it
and he's like, oh those are expensive.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Oh that's hilarious. Man. We have Anthony Kerrigan. Anthony Kerrigan
plays Metamorpho. What'd you think of him? Okay, so it
took me a while to get used to his makeup
and the way they made him. Yes, he looks like

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the comic book character where he's different elements put together
and he's not quite stable. That being said, I wish
he would have talked more and had more lines. And
because ninety percent of the time he's on screen he's
just whiny yep, and I'll tell you, I'm so crying
depressed all the time. He's kind of whity, right.

Speaker 12 (22:04):
And what I didn't like is that if you haven't
if I have another thing to pick with this movie,
is this terrible, terrible cgi.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
On his son.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
Oh yeah, that that is probably the low point of
the movie for me, is that CGI on on.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
His Metamorphos A Little Green Baby. Yeah, it's not very good. Yeah,
I mean I like Metamorpho. I think it was a
brave move, yeah on their part to put him. This
is his first and only movie. Probably that's why I like.

Speaker 12 (22:36):
I like seeing new characters on screen that we haven't
had a chance to see yet exactly.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
And that's one of the things I loved about it.
When I saw it, I was like, I can't believe
I live in an age where Metamorpho is in a movie. Yep,
you know, a big blockbuster movie and has a He
has actually a pretty big role in this movie. He does.

Speaker 12 (22:55):
And I think I think I was a little sad
that we didn't get a chance to see Brainiac finally.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, thinking that they're gonna they're gonna bring him in
next time sometime. We uh, we know Anthony Kerrigan. He
was in the TV show Gotham. He played mister Zazz.
He was in Bill and Ted Face the Music And
here's really cool is uh he's got alopecia in real life.

(23:23):
So in real life he has no hair mhm so.
And he does a lot of work with alopecia and
especially children that have alopecia to help them deal with
that disease and that that medical disorder. But he does
a lot of work with that and it's really cool.
I thought he was really good in the movie. I
hope we see him again. I think he might be

(23:44):
part of that Justice Gang, right, Yeah, I hope so,
I hope he's a member of the Justice Gang. We'll
see what happens. Talking about the Justice Gang character coming in, yes, sir,
the one everyone was looking forward to is Nathan Fillion
as Green Lanyard Guy Gardner.

Speaker 12 (24:04):
He absolutely killed this role.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I heard that he actually insisted that Guy Gardner keep
that haircut. Bought the ball haircut and that bowl haircut, yeah,
because they wanted to change it and give him like
a modern haircut or fix it, and he's like, nope,
that's his hair dude. It's it's so perfect. It's so perfect.

Speaker 12 (24:25):
And I'm really excited to see what they do because
I heard that there's a movie coming out called Lanren's
that has Hal Jordan, him and John Stewart and James
Gunn said it is a more of a John Stewart
centered movie. But anytime, if we could get Sinestro and
all of them in there. I think it's gonna be
really good. But Guy Gardner, he plays him such so

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perfectly to the comic books, it's not even funny. And
he probably has probably the most epic fight scene at
the end.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Where he takes a fight scene or is he's just
walking through a battle though.

Speaker 12 (25:03):
Yeah, well, because he's like Superman. He's like, well, kid,
I'm not Superman, but well let's see what we could do.
And he just starts walking by these tanks.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Dude, and his hands is.

Speaker 12 (25:13):
Going up and giving him the middle finger and blowing
up all the tanks as he's walking down the room.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Finger.

Speaker 12 (25:18):
Ah, dude, It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I look when he puts the oven mits Yeah right,
I put on I put on Oven Mits right. So
it's it's good. He's great. I wanted more of him.
Oh me too.

Speaker 12 (25:32):
I was like, there's got to be some extended scenes
with him, and especially like when him and uh Lois
are having that interaction remember at the Hall of Justice
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's great. One of the things I
liked about it was they didn't have the green like
ray shoot out of his ring to create all of
these constructs. It was like he walked by in the
green constructs were just everywhere, and that's one of the
things I really need to go back, can watch the
movie again because I guarantee there are some constructs with

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Guy Garter that I missed. Oh I'm sure I saw
a giant hammer, I saw the oven mits. Of course,
I saw the middle Finger. But there's so many other
little ones I bet that we just missed.

Speaker 12 (26:14):
All right, I'm gonna throw this out here. Now it's
in my notes, but i'm gonna throw it out here.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Now.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
Do you know that when Clark and Lois are talking
and you see the Justice Kang outside fighting through the window, remember,
did you catch who they're probably fighting?

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I'm gonna say it out loud. Can I say it
out loud? Go ahead? I think it's missile plick.

Speaker 12 (26:34):
Yep, because he he says, oh, it's just some imp
because you know, if they were really in trouble, Clark
would have went out there and or Superman would have
went out there and helped them. But he's just he's
just calls in trouble, you know, mischievous is all he's doing.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
So yeah, he's like it's just some in from the
fifth dimension. Yeah, So the nerd inside.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
I know.

Speaker 12 (26:54):
I was like, I cannot believe they just dropped this
guy there too.

Speaker 10 (26:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, I'm like spilling popcorn in the theater, going, that's
a play, I'm saying, And of course everyone around me's on,
who is that? That's awesome?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Man.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
But of course Nathan Fillion is If anybody knows anything
about science fiction firefly stuff, they know it, right. He's
in a Firefly, the Rookie Castle. He was actually in
the movie Saving Private Ryan, which I didn't know really. Yeah,
he plays one of the Ryans. He's also ironically, he's

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the voice of Hal Jordan in the animated show.

Speaker 12 (27:36):
There's a lot of He's in a lot of them
where he plays the voice in the animated series.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, so I thought it was pretty I thought it
was pretty funny that in the animated version he plays
the voice of Hal Jordan and in the live action.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
He plays Guy Garter. He was just like Guy gard
Oh yeah. He's also the voice of Headpool. Oh yeah,
and Deadpool versus Wolverine crazy. So he's of course, he's
been in everything. Man, he's amazing. We both give Guy
Gardner a big thumbs up. Man, I hope I can't
wait to see him again.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I know another character we see in this movie part
of the Justice Gang is isabellamer Said, and she plays
Hot Girl Fantastic. She was in Transformers last night. She's
also known as Dora the Explorer in The Door Explorer. Really,
she's a movie Romulus and she's also on the show

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The Last of Us on HBO.

Speaker 12 (28:32):
Did you know that she was filming The Last of
Us and this at the same time and she had
to jump back and forth between sets.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Would she just catch a plane and fly.

Speaker 12 (28:40):
Or if it was just walk across the street? I
don't know where they filmed it at, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, well I do you know where they film most
of the Superman movie? Ohio?

Speaker 12 (28:49):
Yeah, Cincinnati. Some of us in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Too, Yeah, this movie in Ohio.

Speaker 12 (28:56):
But I think I think Hot Girl, even though she's
only in there a little bit like Green Lantern. I
think the part that everybody's going to remember is when
she has the president or leader of that foreign country
and she's got him up in the air. She's like, oh,
you're just like Superman. You know you're you're too much
like Superman. You know you won't kill me? And She's like,

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I'm nothing like if it drops?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Wow?

Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah. Are you glad that they went with hot girl
and not Hawkman?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah? I think so. I'm fine with that. I think that.
You know, you had so many male superheroes and male
characters in this one. It was a great opportunity to
put a female character out there without changing the gender
of a character that already exists. You know, they said,
you know what, let's put a hawk girl in there.

Speaker 12 (29:47):
I think it works. It's that's Justice I rememberhere.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
She got the sonic screen though, because I don't remember Scream.

Speaker 12 (29:55):
But you know, the Justice King. That's not our real name.
Yes it is, No, it's not. It's just a working name.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
No it's not. Yes, we're still that's still a working name.
We're still thinking, no, no, that's what it is. And
then better borfow or whatever. He's like, Oh, I like,
that's a cool naing you're in. Oh yeah, that's hilarious. Man.
There are so many characters of so many things. What
do you think about Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
I'll tell you what for Jimmy Olsen, Uh, being the photographer.
He never takes a picture in this movie. Never took
a picture.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
He's a terrible photographer.

Speaker 12 (30:26):
You got all the photos in this he got from
that girl that was Lex Luthor's girlfriend or whatever.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Oh that ct that crazy. He never miss Tess.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
My Car, Test My Car.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
So Skyler Gizondo plays Jimmy Olsen in this one. I
thought he did a pretty good job. He's really young.
He looks really young, yeah, which I thought was pretty cool.
He's in Vacation, the remake of Vacation, which was terrible.
Don't watch that. Don't watch the remake of Vacation just
you'll just go a bit sad. He was also in

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the remake of Halloween too. Yeah watching that. Yeah. Uh,
eve Test Smocker his his girlfriend or Lex his girlfriend. Inside.

Speaker 12 (31:14):
I think at the end it ends up being Jimmy's girlfriend,
don't it.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
I don't see how she would be attracted to both
Lex Luthor and Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 12 (31:24):
I don't know, man, It's just it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
She's played by Sarah Sampion Sampio Sampio. Uh. And she's
a Victoria Secret model. That's something I dot's yeah, which,
and she she's got the qualifications. So I thought that
was pretty nice. Perry White, you probably recognized Perry White.
In this one, Perry White was played by Wendell Pierce.

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He's uh a reoccurring character on the Wire, Jack Ryan,
he was in Malcolm X, he was in Selma, he
was in Ray.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Now.

Speaker 12 (32:00):
Is this the first time that Perry White has been
portrayed by an African American?

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Do you know? Let me do some thinking.

Speaker 12 (32:07):
Probably, I think it is, And I think that's why
a lot of people were mad about his casting. But
then again, did a fantastic job in this movie.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
I think he did a fine job. He really doesn't
have a big role.

Speaker 12 (32:20):
He yells at Jimmy once or twice.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I think, yeah. I mean, he's kind of like Cat Grant,
because like Kat, if you follow the comic, Kat Grant's
in the movie, but she doesn't really have any lunch.
She's just you could tell by looking at her that's
Cat Grant. Everybody's like, what's she doing? Yeah? Dude? Right.
One of the things I thought was really cool about
the actor Wendel Pierce is he plays a paramedic in

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the movie The Money Pit, really classic Tom Hanks movie. Wow.
So if you watch that Tom Hanks movie, he actually
comes out. I think that's one of his first roles.
That's pretty cool. We also have Ma and Paul Kent
in this movie. What do you think about Mo and
Paul Kent?

Speaker 12 (32:59):
I didn't like him, I don't. I don't like what
they did to them, If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
You mean made him too because they were like to Kansas.
I don't want to say that. It's just like they
were they too backwards country.

Speaker 12 (33:19):
I don't know, it's like, you know, I don't know
if I don't know, it's just something about them that
it just didn't set right with me.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
You they were like a non role to me. I
really don't. I really don't remember a lot. Usually the
Superman movies do a really good job of selling Mont
Paul Kent.

Speaker 12 (33:43):
Yeah, it's the family connection Superman.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
The original movie is nineteen seventy eight. You cared about
Mont Paul Kent. You could tell Mont Paul Kent loved
Clark right, the same thing when Kevin Costner played you know,
when he played.

Speaker 12 (34:01):
No, do don't come out here to the Twister.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Exactly, stay there. It's too dangerous for you.

Speaker 12 (34:08):
Well even in Smallville, you you know that, but that
was different. That was this whole high school and stuff
where you got more interactions with him.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Is that Schneider that plays him in that one? Okay,
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (34:21):
It's just it's almost like they were in the movie
as little as possible in this and it didn't really
make you fill the connection with Clark to his parents
as the previous movies.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, that's what I had problem with that too. The
dad was played by Pruitt Taylor Vince. He was in
the movie Mississippi Burning, Jacob's Ladder, Natural Born Killers JFK.
So he's been in some really big, really big movies,
but they just didn't have enough screen time. And I mean,
the movie's over two hours, so I can see the

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fact that there's probably a lot of Mon Paul Kent scenes,
a lot of Smallville scenes that were probably left on
the cutting room.

Speaker 12 (34:59):
Well, but then again, you got to remember that James
Gunn said we're not doing another Superman.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Origin story.

Speaker 12 (35:07):
So I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that he's
going with everybody know Who's mom and paulkin is, they
know how Superman arrived on Earth and everything, We're just
going to move forward from there.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
That may be part of the reason I am so
glad that they're not relaunching the Superman series and relaunching
the DC Universe with origin stories again.

Speaker 12 (35:27):
Right, because how many times have we got to see it?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a Superman fan.
I'll go watch it anyway, but I think, you know,
it's just like Batman's parents getting killed. How many times
do you have to see it on screen? Which I
think James Gun said he's not going to do that.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Spider Man gets hit by a spider we get it, right,
So I'm really glad that they didn't go that route.
I'm really glad they didn't go that route.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
We also have Maria Gabriella de Faria. Like I said
that one, you've got that one. She plays Angela Spica
or the engineer. What did you think about the engine
the engineers the one almost the nanotechnology like.

Speaker 12 (36:05):
The sow arms and everything.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
She was all right, she was all right. Yeah. She's
a Venezuelan actress, and so all the movies that she
had done beforehand were pretty much in Venezuela and they
were in Spanish, so there's really not a lot of
American history back there with her. Let me ask you
what Let me ask you a question. Bond.

Speaker 12 (36:25):
Yeah, what did you think of the Fortress of Solitude
in this movie?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
The Fortress Solitude was amazing.

Speaker 12 (36:33):
You like how it turned like turned to the sun
and then it sank beneath the ice.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Did you like that? Yeah, it's it's it's alien technology.
I mean, I like the fact that it's hidden, because
usually the Fortress Solitude is like always there, right, So
I like the fact that it sinks into the ice
so that way global maps and stuff like that in
satellite imagery can't catch it. But I didn't.

Speaker 12 (36:55):
I don't know if I like that it turned to
the sun when they.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Read when they charged.

Speaker 12 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean I understand it going up and down
in the nice fine whatever, But to have the whole
thing turned, you would think that would cause an earthquaker
something that's something would be on the radar.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
You know what I did love? I did love Superman's robots.

Speaker 12 (37:13):
Oh yeah, there is some pretty famous people that were
in those robots. A voice those robots too, did you
have that?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah? Watch don't you share that with this?

Speaker 12 (37:22):
I don't remember. I didn't write them down because you
had the cast, so.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I know that one of the.

Speaker 12 (37:31):
What's his name, the guy that does all the crazy stuff.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
Two.

Speaker 12 (37:37):
I can't think of his name. Come on, give it
to me. Who voiced number four? No, who voiced number four?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Voice? Number four was played by Jennifer Holland, a Gun's wife.
Oh that wasn't the one wife Jennifer Holland voice the Superman?

Speaker 12 (37:59):
Was it Alan Tuji or two Dick? Or what's his name?
Is he one of them?

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Okay, I don't have that written down. That's a good one. Oh,
Alan Tudic? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Alan, Alan Tudic, Grace
Chan or some of the other ones. Michael Rooker, Oh yeah.

Speaker 12 (38:17):
Michael Rooker famous for from being in uh, The Walking Dead,
where he was Darrell's brother, and he was also in
uh James Gunn's other hit, The Guardians of the Galaxy,
where he played the guy that whistled what's his name?
What's his name? And that I can't think of that either.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I can't remember it offhand. But he's blue has like
the little spikey flies around. That's true. So they were
they were twelve, one, five, and four. Yeah, and he
got his wife to play one of them.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
All.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
Well, that's that's like you were telling me what I
thought of that girl with the Nanotech lady and when
she comes into the Fortress of Solitude and just starts
sawing them guys in half.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, I was kind of sad about that. Come on,
I really like those guys. We also have I guess
we should talk about one of the characters that I
don't have written down. He's probably the star of the movie, Crypto,
Crypto the super Dog. Yes, we have yet to mention

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Crypto the super Dog on this podcast. Did you like Crypto?
I love little Crypto. He's such a good boy, but
not really.

Speaker 12 (39:28):
Well, I this is gonna be a big spoiler right here.
So what's even funnier than I mean? He acts like
a normal dog, but you know, they see Gi'ed James
Gunn actually adopted the dog, and they actually see gi'ed
Crypto from his dog having it in my notes, and
he says every time that he sees himself on screen,
he tries to kill himself. So he tries to get

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the dog that's attacking Superman and everything. But will you
come to find out at the end of this movie
that Superman's cousin has a righte and she asked where
her dog is. So we come to find out that
Supergirl makes her cameo appearance, and she's obviously been out
partying tonight too long the night before, and that Crypto

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is her dog.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
And yeah, Carl Zorel.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
Yeah, I think I can't wait for Supergirl because we
only have that one movie back in the day, Remember
that movie.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, Helen Slater.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
And I always wondered why we had never seen another Supergirl.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Movie. I don't know. I liked Crypto the super Dog,
but here's one of the problems that I had with
this movie. I think Crypto was more super than Superman.

Speaker 12 (40:47):
I agree, one hundred percent. Superman got beat down this
entire movie.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Always Superman would get beat up, Crypto would save the day. Yeah,
Crypto came in and saved him like three or four times.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
I mean he saved him from the black Hole. M
he saved him pulling him into the Fortress Solitude.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Where he's in the ice and Crypto has to drag
him to the Fortress of Solitude. Yeah, but it's funny
at the beginning when in trouble, when.

Speaker 12 (41:12):
He first calls for him, whistles and he comes and
just starts jumping and bouncing all over.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
So dog. I think James Gunn got right, man, that
is what a dog would do. Oh yeah, like let's play,
let's play. Yeah, I don't know. He's an awesome dog, man.
I think most people wanted.

Speaker 12 (41:30):
More dog, especially when he was fighting Lex Luthor and
him and the I thought they were going to kill
him there in the fortress, so solitude, and it was
going to be really sad day there.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Man. Can you imagine that man Backlash killed Crypto oh.

Speaker 12 (41:46):
After you introduced him like that and then just came
in and killed him.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Oh, it would have been ugly, be such a cruel joke, man.

Speaker 12 (41:52):
But I would have liked it. I think it would
have added another element of why you hate Lex Luthor
so much.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's true, man, it's so that at all. That is
so bad. If they would have done that, I would
have been so sad. Another uh cameo is Gunn's brother
comes out in this movie. James Gunn's brother plays. His
brother's name is Sean. He comes out. He plays Maxwell Lord,
that foundar of the Justice Gang. Oh yeah, yeah, a

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brief scene where they'd like show Maxwell Lord getting into
his car.

Speaker 12 (42:28):
Well do you know else there's a cameo of uh oh,
will Reeve, Will Reeve was the youngest child of former
Superman Christopher Reeve, and he appears as a reporter.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
In real life.

Speaker 12 (42:41):
Will is a television course bonded for ABC News. His
cameo was first reported in July twenty twenty four by
Cleveland's local newspaper, The Planes Dealer. It was shot while
like Sterior filming was underway in Cleveland's Public Square. Will
was only three years old when his father was injured
in that accident that left him paralyzed. So I thought
that was really cool that they incorporated him as a

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cameo in there.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Oh right, God bless We'll reave man. That's awesome.

Speaker 12 (43:06):
And there is another cameo. But did you see did
you see who is that?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
John Cina?

Speaker 13 (43:17):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (43:17):
Yeah, John as the Peacemaker was there being an interviewed on.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
T John was there, And they say on television.

Speaker 12 (43:24):
They say that in the Peacemaker season two, which is
Gery come out, I believe this fall or here in
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, very that that.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
The the Justice Gang is gonna be a big part
of that. So I'm hoping we see more Guy Gardner
and Hawk Girl and all them.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Yeah, definitely, man, definitely, I can't wait for that. One. Yeah,
John Cena comes out. There's another slight cameo. Michael Rosenbaum
comes out in this movie. Yep, right, as the voice
of one of Luther's Raptor guards. So he's got those
armored guards that all around him. One of them is
the voice of Michael Rosenbaum. It's pretty cool. Oh for

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all me? What'd you think? Yes?

Speaker 12 (44:08):
No, hang on, we got some trivia still to go
through here, Bond.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Oh yeah, we just dropped a lot of trick.

Speaker 12 (44:14):
We dropped a lot of knowledge, but we got a
little things. I'm gonna filter through here and get your opinion.
So did you know that there was actually five green
lantern rings made for this movie. Nathan Philly kept one
and he wore to the premiere.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Oh right.

Speaker 12 (44:33):
The iconic red trunks of Superman were requested by David
Cordon Sweat, who justified at Lesley, I'm an alien from
outer space who can fly and lift buildings, and I
shoot laser beams out of my eyes that can dissolve things.
I want kids to not be afraid of me. So
what am I going to wear? So, and that's something
we didn't really talk about yet is Superman is portrayed

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as an alien in this movie.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
That is the.

Speaker 12 (44:57):
First that is actually one of the first time times
that he's been known as the alien.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (45:04):
This is the first Superman film since Superman Returns in
two thousand and six to utilize the Man John Williams's
main theme from Superman nineteen.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Seventy eight bond.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
Did they ever release this in three D? Did they
release this in three D? I don't think they did that,
I could see.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
I don't think so. I don't think there's a three
D version of this movie available. That'd be cool out
here in South Texas.

Speaker 12 (45:24):
That'd be cool if there was. Let's see here. James
Gunn tweeted that the death of his father was an
influence on the screenplay. The film's released date, July eleven,
twenty twenty five, was his father's birthday. The full name
of the character otis Berg, who is a member of
Lex Luthor's Luther Corp. Crew, is playful not to Otisberg.
The seaside spot penciled in by Ned Beatty's character otis

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on the map of his boss's evil waterfront scheme and
Superman he.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Worth Superman character what no not little? Do you think?
Was he worse?

Speaker 12 (45:59):
Than Richard Pryor and Superman three.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
No, but also three doesn't exist in my word, so
I think such thing is tell me more about the
Superman three speak of Oh, we might have movie started
filming on Superman's birthday yep, February at twenty ninth. I think, yeah,
something right around there, man, it's actually the first day
they went to filming is considered Superman's birthday. In the
comic So.

Speaker 12 (46:22):
Personal trailer, Paolo Mascitti confirms that David Cornsweat gained forty
pounds of muscle prior to filming. So they said he
had been and he's a tall guy. Man, He's six
foot four. That's a pretty big Superman, that's you. Yeah,
And he went from two hundred to like two hundred
and forty pounds, So I thought that was really crazy too.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
I don't even have forty pounds of muscle, forget gaming.
If you were to add up all my muscle together,
I would not It wouldn't be forty pounds worth of muscle.

Speaker 12 (46:50):
Nathan Phillia based his portrayal of Guy Gardner on Estelle
Getty's The Golden Girl's character Sophia portraya.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I read that. That's hilarious.

Speaker 12 (47:01):
That is hilarious. So that's talks. We've already talked about
some of that stuff. What do you think of Superman
being a fan of the fake band the Mighty Crab Joys.
You can spot the poster, That's what I was doing.
I was like, man, I've never heard of these guys,

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but you can spot the poster on the band in
his room in Smallville. And also the band actually does
appear in other DCU projects and Creature Commandos Eric Frankenstein
wears the Mighty Crab Joy's T shirt and in Peacemaker
there is a billboard of the band. So I like
how it's a running joke through all this.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Ye.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
So, James Gunn discussed how Crypto's inclusion was inspired by
his own dog, Azu, who was adopted around the time
gun began working on the script. However, guns also subsequently
revealed that Crypto is literally Ozu. Crypto's CGI model was
directly built off a three D digital scan of Ozu
and recolored white as John Goaks. Every time he sees

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himself on come on screen, he tries to murder himself. So, uh,
did you do you think or did you notice that
the Justice Kangs Hall of Justice, if you will. Doesn't
it look very good? Doesn't it look almost like the
old cartoon from the super Friends from seventy three.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
To eighty five, exactly like the super Friend's Hall of Justice. Meanwhile,
in the.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Hall of Justice, are we going to see a new Aquaman?

Speaker 4 (48:31):
What do you think? Is it Aquaman? It'll look like Aquaman?
Is he gonna look like Jason Mam?

Speaker 12 (48:37):
No, No, we need to see the Arthur Curry blonde hair.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
That's what I'm saying, the blonde, yellow or what is
it orange suit? Scale suit?

Speaker 12 (48:44):
Oh yeah, we need to see all that.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Dude, I want to see Arthur Curry. Are Aquaman? For sure?
Who would you get to play Aquaman? Now? Would you
go with the no name? Probably? I probably it would
have What's what's the problem I had with Aquaman? Is
he needs to be a normal sized guy, you know,
not an extra from uh Mawana. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (49:07):
He just yeah, he's he was always like he wasn't
really muscular. I guess he was muscular, but I mean
he looked normal, like he was just an average guy.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
So we'll see he's a normal blonde guy. We'll see so.

Speaker 12 (49:20):
Upon the release of the film Superman, actor David Cornswoy
revealed that his predecessor, Henry Cavill, wrote him a letter
of support and encouragement. He said that he'd keep the
details to himself as his meaningful and personal gesture between
him and Caville, because there are several people that were
still mad that Cavill got replaced. I was one of
them because I thought he was a perfect looking Superman.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
But I got I don't think he was given the chance.
But I think this guy did a great job.

Speaker 12 (49:45):
Oh yeah, he did a fantastic job. I'm glad I
was wrong, because anytime you can anytime there's another Superman,
that just means you can make more movies, and and
that's what I like.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
So I actually have a name of somebody who tried
out for Superman sent in a tape. Go ahead, Patrick Schwarzenegger.
Oh yeah, Arnold son. Arnold Schwarzenegger's son said he actually
set a tape in so, you know, like a self
tape of him as Superman.

Speaker 12 (50:10):
Well, you know what, Bond, he may have not got
this chap, but guess what, Well, he'll be back.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
He'll be back in Superman too.

Speaker 12 (50:19):
What he tries to get that Jopy, He's gonna yell
for Lois. He's gonna be a helicopter pilot.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Uh So.

Speaker 12 (50:28):
Anthony Kerrigan explained about wearing the makeup for Metamorpho. It's
things that were glued on me, but they then they
painted on detail, and then more things were glued onto that.
Carrigan told Entertainment Weekly, I'm not kidding when I say
that I was glued in. I was sewn in. I
was completely enveloped. I was tied in, roped in basically,

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but all in service of this incredible costume. I think
the reason why James Gunn called me and specifically was
because I really understood on a human level this idea
of feeling different, feeling like something that has happened to you,
feels like a curse, says Kerrigan, who Bond had talked
about his alopecia. He says it was an unspoken thing

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that James and him understood that once he started really
asking questions about it, that there was a sense that
he really wanted someone who was quite tortured with what
was going on. The really human quality of struggling with
that I think comes through The film will feature certain
elements that allude to metamorphos backstory, Carrigan mentions, including the
presence of Stag Industries, a company pulled directly from DC

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Comics that played a part in the character's origins. However,
fans will meet Metamorpho in full swing of who he is.
A self proclaiming big fan of practical effects, Carrigan says
his Metamorpho transformation required about five to six hours in
the makeup chair. It's worth it, he adds. It's worth
it because you can actually feel the texture of something
your brain notices. The difference on how he coped with

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that process was simple, he said. Maybe it's just the
fact that I grew up with two older sisters who
would sit me down and put whatever makes up they
wanted to on me. But I just go on, just
going to a completely, I don't know, tranquil state. I'm
just having a good time. The hardest part, I think
is the last hour. And my question is you all
got all that on, what have you got to go
to the bathroom?

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Right?

Speaker 12 (52:13):
That's that's what I always think.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
They had to put a fly in there somehow is
a velcrow or.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
Maybe one of the old butt flaps members.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Like the old Oh yeah, like the oldest stuff, like
little House on the Little House on the Prairie.

Speaker 12 (52:25):
The first trailer received two hundred and fifty million online
views within the first twenty four hours, the second most
of any film not released by Disney after Spider Man
No Way Home in twenty twenty one with three hundred
and fifty six million reviews.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I might have been one of those. I might have
been one of those two hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 12 (52:43):
I bet you watched it more than ones than you.
I remember when we were talking about You're like, did
you see this?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I think this is this? I think I'm so excited.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
I was like, oh, oh, always still got Ten months ago,
so James confirmed that one of Henry Cavill's suits for
Man of Still in twenty thirteen was used for the
actor to wear during the screen test while auditioning for Superman.
When David corn Sweat put it on, he accidentally tore
it because he was too tall for the suit.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Oh man, Ah, that's terrible.

Speaker 12 (53:14):
You already talked about Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
So here's a quick question for you. Do you think
that if people are not familiar with these characters they
would have struggled during this movie, Like because if you
don't know who Metamorpho is, if you don't know who
Guy Gardner is, if you don't know who you know,
maybe not Superman. You know who Superman is, you know
who Lex Luthor is, you know who Lois Lane is.

(53:36):
But beyond that, the whole all these extra characters. Do
you think people are going? Who are these people? What
are their power? Like mister Terrific is one I struggled
with the most because I know who mister Terrific is
because I've been reading comic books for years. But if
I'm some guy off the street, some family off the street,
they come in to watch this movie and there's mister Terrific.

(53:58):
There's no explanation of who this man is, what his
powers are, right, I don't know if they ever refer
to him by his real name. But as you're watching,
so does he have superpowers? Is he a computer? You know? Well?

Speaker 12 (54:15):
And then I think the same thing would be about
Metamorpho when he has his hand turn into kryptonite.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Right, so here's a one line explanation. He can turn
into any element. That's it. Yep, I don't know. I
mean but you're like, is he an alien?

Speaker 12 (54:30):
Well, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. Like
when he did Guardians of the Galaxy, a lot of
people didn't know who those were either.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yeah, I guess so, because nobody knew who Peter Quill was,
or you know, Raccoon or anything.

Speaker 12 (54:44):
So production designer Beth Michel spent six months designing Superman's home,
the Fortress of Solitude, and a further sixteen weeks building
the set. James Gunn wanted a practical set for the
place the superhero retreats to, and not something creative with
CG or virtual production, so, she says Mikkel, who worked
with gun on Guardians of Three, calls the Fortress one

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of her most challenging set builds. We felt so much
pressure to pay homage to the original to keep audiences happy.
In the Richard Donner films, an ice crestal was thrown
into the ground and a crystal instructure would grow out
of the ground. While honoring what had come before, Michel
also wanted to deject something fresh in imaging what the
set would look like. The Fortress exteriors were shown or

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shot in Norway's saval bard An archipelago between Norway and
the North Pole, whose icy terrain was the perfect setting
for the frosty fort Michel admitted building it was a
massive challenge. We built two hundred and forty two giant crystals.
They're all real. The only interaction with cg, she said,

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was to create the movement of the fortress as it
rises from below the ice. The crystals were made from resin,
all the resin that existed on the Eastern Seaboard in
twenty twenty three. We bought it all, Michel said. It
was cheaper than a CGI set. Inside Superman's base, the
computer dashboard in every crystal behind it, along with the
floor were also physical builds. Mikel recalled what it was

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like when David Hornsby saw the set for the first time.
Nobody was in there because they were going to be
shooting an exterior. I turned around and saw David walking
up the steps in his long red cape. He came
over and was so gracious and complimented the set.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I can't believe that that's amazing. So what do they
do with it after the filming? Like, is it still
out there? I don't know. Didn't the disassembled and put
away and they like they're gonna take it and put
it back together for the next movie, or.

Speaker 12 (56:34):
They leave it there or the hopefully there are super
Girl super super Supergirl comes out next year. Are they
using any of that for her?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Maybe I would, You'd almost have to yep. Right, that
is amazing me. I can't believe that.

Speaker 12 (56:48):
So there's a lot more stuff here we're not going
to get into because it's long enough already. So give
me your thoughts feelings on this.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Film, all right. So first off, I'm excited that we're
doing a movie that's still in the theaters that we
people can run out and go see it. I highly
recommend this movie for families to go check out. I
think it's very family friendly, it's very entertaining. I put
it as the third best Superman movie of all time.

(57:16):
I'm thinking the Superman one and two from the nineteen
seventies and eighty and then I'm thinking this one's right
up there with those. This is a great relaunch. I
loved it. You know, I could nitpicket, you know, you
could go through it and nitpiket and say, here's this
little minor thing that's wrong. Here's this little minor thing
that's wrong. Here's this that bothers me. But there's so

(57:37):
many Easter eggs for fans in there. The stories entertaining
the characters are well done. Oh man, that's a hard one.
I'm thinking it's a Can I go eight and a half? Sure? Yeah,
I'm thinking eight point five eight and a half out
of ten just because you can't touch the originals. But man,

(57:58):
this is really good, all right.

Speaker 12 (58:00):
So you're giving it an eight and a half.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Huh, Yeah, I'm thinking eight and a half. Man, it's
right up there. I'm loving this movie.

Speaker 12 (58:06):
Man, So where are you putting Superman one and Superman two?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Then I have to give Superman one probably a nine,
Superman two nine point five.

Speaker 12 (58:17):
Yeah, Superman two is almost a perfect movie. Yeah, absolutely
all right for me. I like the guy that portrays Superman.
I think he did a fine job. I love Lex
Luthor and Lewis Lane. I think they're really great casting

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Guy Gardner, Nathan Fillion. I mean nobody else could even
do it.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Now.

Speaker 12 (58:45):
You can't replace that. I mean it's perfect. Mister terrific,
I mean he was terrific. Hawt Girl awesome, So they
really know that whole Justice gang. I think that that
really really set the metamorpho. He looks just like the comics.

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He really does, so I can't really say anything bad
about that. And then the Seabudy went through with all
the makeup and everything. I have to give it to him.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
He did. He did fine.

Speaker 12 (59:16):
Like I said, the two things, well, the one thing
I really had to think it was was Alex Luthor
playing battleship with Superman. Uh and Bob did you say
I don't remember you talking about who played Ultraman? Did
you skip him in the cast? Did you skip him
in the cast?

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Ultra Man was played by isn't that played by Quartswood? Also?

Speaker 12 (59:40):
I don't know, but I didn't know if there was
somebody that was in the suit before they would make
that reveal.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
No, I think I think he played Ultraman also since
it was his clone.

Speaker 12 (59:48):
Well, I mean I didn't know if he did that
with his with the mask on the entire time.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Oh, I don't have yeah, I don't have that written down,
like who played him with with the mask on? Right? Okay? Mask?
I mean very suspicious masks on that one man? Is
that Bizarrow we were seeing?

Speaker 12 (01:00:03):
Yeah? That was really weird. That's a way to introduce
Bizarro too, right, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Did? All right?

Speaker 12 (01:00:11):
And then I'll throw this out there before before I
give you my final thing. If you could bring one
of Batman villains over into the Superman universe or the
Superman Metropolis. Who you bring in to fight Superman? The Joker?
Bringing the Joker?

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
Mmmm?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Maybe the Riddler.

Speaker 12 (01:00:27):
That'd be great because can you see can you seem
like I really know who you are?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Clark or something? Or maybe even poison Ivy I think
would be a great one to bring in. What about Bain?
I don't think. I don't think Superman can handle bing.

Speaker 12 (01:00:43):
Ban could be pumping in crypt kryptonite into his veins.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah, aahul, I think might be able to take him out. Yeah,
it'd be interesting. Okay, So for me, GI have eight
point five going higher and lower.

Speaker 12 (01:00:58):
I think I'm just gonna give it an eight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
I think.

Speaker 12 (01:01:04):
I like where it's going. I just I need to
see more. I'm not sold on James Gunn being the
savior of the DC movie universe quite yet. One thing
that has always bothered me is that DC cannel the
animated series so well the animated movies. They are some

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of the fantastic storytelling voice actors and everything, whereas Marvel
has always had the foothold in the cinematic university the
actual movies. So it's off to a good start, I
will say that. But I know next year we have
Supergirl coming out, and we have I think it's Lantern's

(01:01:46):
that comes out next year, right, But I'm really really
interested to see that Batman, the brave and the bold.
I think I want to see what he does with
Batman because that's gonna be a telltale sign because you
have Superman and Batman, and they're redoing Wonder Woman too.
I see a thing on that too, So it's gonna

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be interesting to see once he gets all these characters
lined up, how it's gonna flow into the next universe,
you know, How is it gonna weave its way into
each movie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
It's such a balancing act with Batman and Superman because
Batman is so dark and they portrayed him so darkly
now and Superman doesn't play in that universe.

Speaker 12 (01:02:27):
Do you hope that the suit that Batman wears he
goes back to the gray and blue?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
I think that would be amazing, nipples, right, I think
it'd be great. So but what what about? What about
a prop. What proper are you pulling from this movie? Man?
Keep in mind that you're that your collection is getting
pretty full.

Speaker 12 (01:02:49):
But if I took the Fortress of Solitude, I'd have
enough places to store everything. Uh, prop Okay, And we
can't take Crypto. That's I'm gonna put that out there,
so that's easy. I think what I want to take.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Is the.

Speaker 12 (01:03:08):
If you remember, I think it's when Clark's first coming
into the Daily Planet. There is a a bell dormand
if you will, and he's reading a newspaper and the
newspaper says Superman saves or whatever. I think I'm going
to take that newspaper.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
What are you taking? I would take one of the sphere.

Speaker 12 (01:03:29):
Balls, but I think that's just too too easy cheesy
to take.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
That's I think that's where I'm going with this, because
my first thought was I was going to take Crypto's collar, right,
the red collar with a little Superman. Yeah, I think
about takets Crypto's collar.

Speaker 12 (01:03:44):
I mean, I would have took Supergirl if I could have,
But we can't tell.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
You Supergirl no way. She's high maintenance. Man's planning getting drunk.
There's no way that's that's too much work. But I
think I'm going to take his tea sphere.

Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
Yeah, take the easy way out of why don't you are?

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
You know it would alse would be really cool. The
prosthetic that metamorpho war when it was hand turned into kryptonite.

Speaker 12 (01:04:08):
Yeah, that'd be cool too. You know what else would
even be cool is the flag that the kid kept
raising over there in the foreign country. They had the
Superman flag. That was really cool too. I would I
don't know Guy Gardner's haircut, that had been a great
one too. But well, this is the first time we've
covered a movie that was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Still in the theaters.

Speaker 12 (01:04:30):
We've taken the cap off of movies that were twenty
years in older now, so you'll never know what you're
gonna hear on these episodes coming forward. So hang tight,
we're getting there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
So yeah, we were both just so excited after watching
this movie that we had.

Speaker 12 (01:04:48):
I said, what better way to break it than to
talk about Superman. So there you have it. So you
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that being said, I think this episode is coming to
a close, and that's a wrap and cut.

Speaker 14 (01:05:24):
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