May 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Jimbo and 80's E are back in the 5th dimension once again. Can a simple child's game of kick the can transform a person from their old age back to their youth? Find out in this episode of the Twilight Zone.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
There's a podcast that lies between the imagination of two
simple minded Earthlings. Travel with these two longtime friends, Jimbo
and eighties E as they attempt to explore the fifth dimension.
Follow along with them as they take the key and
unlock the door to the vast space between shadow and substance.
(00:24):
This podcast is one of trivia, of insight, and of
sounds and ideas from one of the greatest television shows
ever produced. You are embarking on a timeless journey. There
is your signpost up ahead. You are entering the Tragedy
of Cinema's Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Sunny Veil rest, a home for the Agent, a dying place,
and a common children's game called kick the Can. It
will shortly become a refuge for a man who knows
you of die in this world if he doesn't escape
into the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast,
the Twilight Zone series.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I am your host Jimbo and I'm your co host
Dady z Eric.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Today will today be the day Eric finally likes an
episode of the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We get to a good episode. Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Let's see Eric I have a question for you. At
the think of this, I'm changing things up. Okay, Kyle Jr. Okay, Eric,
what do you think what were your top three favorite
games to play outside when you were a kid, your
childhood games or school games.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay? I like playing four square.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That was my number one.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, sir, you played that a lot in elementary made
it come back. I think jumping rope was something that
made it come back for a while. Obviously playing you know,
shooting hoop that was my number two. Was a dodgeball okay.
And then there was another one that I thought of
and it just slipped out of my mind. Something that
(02:09):
we I probably hide traditional hide and seek that And
then what about do you remember another honorable I thought
this as an honorablestion?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Do you remember Red Rover? Red Rover so whatever, he
tried to pick the head. Boy, we give bumps, bruises, cuts,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, I don't know if this was a story. There
was always a story of the urban legend that floated
around that. Maybe maybe it was just my mom that
told me the story that she was playing in the
neighborhood Red Rover and they sent a kid over and
he tried to bust through the line and he like
crushed his windpipe or something and he had to go
(02:44):
to the er because you know, it was a violent game.
And then they weren't allowed to play it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh man, Well we always had the kickball too. Kickball
was always remember or what was a twenty one tip?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Twenty one tip? We used to play?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Was that?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What was called the basketball?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah? Off the back? Yeah, yeah, I kickball. That was
a that was a good one for a while. I
think we played a lot of kickball in elementary frisbee.
I love frisbee, but it's more than three.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But yeah, but the top that the forest pair was
number one. Man, you got it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, once you.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Got up to the king spy, you were the king
of the cool.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. That was the good times, all right. So this
episode for our Twilight Zone is called kick the Can.
It's a Twilight Zone season number three, episode number twenty one,
and it was Pardon Me. It was recorded on or
(03:42):
aired on February ninth, nineteen sixty two, and it came
in a production cost of around forty seven, nine hundred
and sixty four dollars and eighty two cents, and so
it came in a little bit under our fifty thousand
dollars benchmark. So as pertains to February ninth, nineteen sixty two.
You know what time it is, folks. It brings us
(04:03):
to our favorite.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Sorry, I fat figured that one wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Our favorite segment in the episode, the segment we like
to call on this day in history. All right, So
on this day in TV and film history, and we
throw in a couple birthdays and maybe some sports trivia
as well. For February the ninth, let's go all the
way back to nineteen forty and a man by the
name of Joe Lewis beats Arturo Goodoy in a fifteen
(04:35):
round heavyweight boxing match and he wins the title. Joe
Lewis does and he defeats Goodoy. On February ninth, nineteen.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Forty, everybody's talking about Joe.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Lewis, Joe Lewis, famous boxer. Hey, here's a big one.
I've got multiple stories of family members telling me they
know where they were, what they were doing when this
event happened. On February ninth, nineteen sixty four is the
first appearance of the Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show
Live from New York broadcast. It drew get this seventy
(05:08):
three point seven million viewers on February the ninth, nineteen
sixty four. Yeah. So the Beatles' first American appearance February ninth,
nineteen seventy three, and this will have ties to our
podcast series here in nineteen seventy three, an American singer
(05:30):
and songwriter, which I didn't know this because he was
also an actor. His name was Paul Williams. He played
Virgil in the Planet of the Apes movies. He however,
he sung a song and the title of the song
was called Here's that Rainy Day.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know if that song was from the movie.
I don't think it was.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh no, if I remember correctly, there's an he does
an appearance on I think he's on The Tonight Show
with Johnny Carras.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's exactly what it is. Costume, he is in full regalia.
He appeared on February ninth, nineteen seventy three, on The
Johnny Carson Show and he sang that I didn't know
that he was a singer songwriter, but he sang this
song in full costume on The Tonight Show.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And you can find that on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, this one is a little more closer to our
time in day. February ninth, nineteen ninety two, it was
the forty second NBA All Star Game in Orlando, Florida.
The West beat the East and they beat him one
hundred and fifty three to one hundred and thirteen. And
the MVP for that NBA All Star Game was one
(06:36):
Magic Urban Magic Johnson of the LA Lakers. Remember do
you remember this, You remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Where they also turns gardening? Yeah, yeah, well I think
I have that on VHS tape.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I think so. Nineteen ninety two, right after the
season started, actually it was late nineteen ninety one, Magic
announced that he had HIV right and he didn't. He
basically tired from basketball, wasn't going to play in the NBA.
But the fans voted that year to bring him back
for the All Star Game, and so the NBA let
(07:08):
him come back and play in the All Star Game
and he I mean it was a really great ending,
like he hit a fadeaway three pointer to end the game.
He was the game's MVP and everyone.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So they all took turns like Isaiah Thomas towards.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The end of the game, yeah, it was pretty memorable,
at least for our generation. February the ninth, nineteen ninety seven,
The Fox cartoon The Simpsons airs it's one hundred and
sixty seventh episode back in nineteen ninety seven. Things still on, Yep,
it was that made it the longest running animated series
in cartoon history. And it's still going. So I don't
(07:43):
think anybody's ever going to touch them. No, it's gone
on for decades and decades and eons and eons. February
the ninth, two thousand and six, Al Michaels joins NBC's
Sunday Night football broadcast with John Madden, which I think
Al Michaels has moved on to another broadcast. He's no
longer broadcasting Sunday Night.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Football and John madd has just moved on.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yes, sadly, John Madden moved on and he is no longer.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I mean, let's talk about Brett Farr. You know that's
just as Brett Farr boo.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. So, I'm sure Madden's family is set up in
perpetuity with the success of the John Madden Football game
for going on and on and on, got three birthdays here,
so for February ninth, nineteen forty three. Famous actor Joe
(08:33):
Peshy of Good Fellas, Half Nelson, Casino and count the
Irishman and countless countless other Well, he was in uh
home alone, home alone. He was a lethal weapon. I
think lethal weapon three or four. I don't know, so
Joe Peshey decorated actor February ninth, nineteen eighty seven. Won
(08:55):
Michael B. Jordan The Black Panther. Well, he wasn't the
Black Panther. He was blow with Black Panthers Nemesis in
the first Black Panther movie. Right. He was born in
Santa Ana, California. Michael B. Jordan, he's thirty seven years old.
Joe Peshi, by the way, was born in Newark, New Jersey,
and he's currently eighty one years old.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You know, I've seen about that the other day. A
lot of our people growing up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Man. You know, you look at like Clint Eastwood fading out.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Man, they're just you know, we just east was he
like ninety five ninety.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Three, Yeah, something crazy and he's just to finished directing
his last movie or whatever. Yeah, you know, we just
lost what said Vicious or sig Justice, you know from
wrestling and I was like, man, just childhood's getting raised
step by step.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah. February ninth, nineteen eighty seven. Probably a little less
known actress. Her name is Rose Leslie. She's a Scottish actress.
She's from famous for Dowton Abbey and Game of Thrones.
She was born in Aberdeen, Scotland in nineteen eighty seven.
She's thirty seven years old. Have you watched any of
(09:58):
the Game of Thrones?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
See I haven't, and all of Dalton Abbey. You'll like that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So you're familiar with one Rose Leslie? Yeah, okay, good,
I'm glad. Someone is I need to get on the train.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
To get on the Abbey train. I guess our otters
wild probably like it too.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah. Probably. So let's talk about a couple of dates
of filming and a couple of dates of rehearsal for
this episode, and then Jimbo can tell us about that
this is a big cast for this episode. But dates
of rehearsal just quickly two days September twelfth and thirteenth
of nineteen sixty one, and dates of filming were only
two days for this one for filming second and thirteen.
(10:37):
Maybe that's an air I might have to go back
and check that again. But the first day of filming
it consisted of all the exterior shots of the retirement
home and it was shot on Lot number three at MGM,
and it filmed the afternoon into evening, which makes sense
in light of the episode, because there's some evening shots
of you know, where they're playing kick the can at
(10:58):
the end of the episode, and it's at night. The
stage eighteen filming took place on the second and third
day with the old folks in the dormitory corridor and office.
That was on the second and third day. The sounds
of the kids cheering and playing in the woods, you know,
playing kick the can. That was all recorded in Syncroom
A from nine am till noon on October the twenty seventh,
(11:22):
so a little over a month later. They dubbed all
of the kids' voices and the playing and the cheering
and all that in later. So there you go. There's
a little snapshot of the background of how it was
put together. Jimbo tell us about this extended cast.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, we have quite a larger cast, and all of
them pretty much our main characters, if you will. Yeah,
but the main main character is Ernest True actually plays Charlie.
Charles Whitley Charlie. He was in a movie, His Girl Friday,
in nineteen forty. He had Russell Collins. He played Ben Conroy.
(11:55):
He was in The Enemy Below in nineteen fifty seven.
He had John Marley the sunny Velle Superintendent Cox He's
a weird one but a love story in nineteen seventy
and he was also in the Godfather where we played
Jack Waltz. You had Hank Patterson Free Tag. He was
in The Amazing Colossal Man in nineteen fifty seven. Also Eric,
(12:17):
a little TV show you might remember Acres is the
Place Stop where you played Fred Zibba over eighty five episodes.
Earl Hodgens, he played Aggie Aggie. He was in Oregon
Trail in nineteen forty five. Marjorie Bennett, she was Missus Summers.
She was in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane in nineteen
(12:39):
sixty two, and she was also in one hundred and
one dalmationis in the cartoon where she was the voice
of the Duchess. So it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
A lot of these did a lot of voice actingly.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, a lot of the Twilight Zone people were in
Disney movies like Voice. Actually, it's pretty cool. You had
Leonora Shane Wise was Missus Dinsley. She was in Matt
in a Theater in nineteen fifty five. She was also
on an episode of The Monsters and a couple other
little things and O'Neill Missus Wister. She was in a
Gun Crazy in nineteen fifty and she also played Missus
(13:11):
Ward in Carrie Grant's The Bishop's Wife. It's a pretty
good movie if you haven't seen it. Bert Mustin played Carlson.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He was in Everything, Andy Griffith. He's in Twilight Zone
earlier Night of the Meek, Right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I believe so.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Then he had Gregory mccob or McCabe whatever. He's boy
number one uncredited.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And all these old was he old boy number one?
Is that Charlie?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Then maybe I would I would say, but it was uncredited.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Really, well, Eric, you don't really know if that was
Charlie do. Then he had Eve McVeigh. She was the
nurse that was uncredited. She was in High Noon in
nineteen fifty two. He had Scott Seedon. He was one
of the residents. He was in the House without a
Kid in nineteen twenty six, Barry Truex played David. He
was on The Benny Goodman Show, and of course Rod Starling.
(14:03):
It didn't have a lot of the other little kids
listed in here, so all right, maybe they just did
it for fun.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'm surprised they didn't credit to boy number one though. Yeah,
I mean, well, I mean Gregory, Yeah, Gregory McCabe was
his name, but we don't well, I have to look
that up. I guess I'm going to assume that that's
young Charlie because there are several frames on his face,
which I'll get to that at the end. I thought
that was outstanding. But let's uh, like, once again, I'm
(14:32):
not getting ahead of myself. Let's talk about a plot
for this episode. Charles Whitley is an elderly resident of
sunny Vale Rest, Home for the aged. It's not a
happy place, and charles hopes of moving in with his
son David are dashed when he's told that they can't
take him in. He wistfully recalls his youth and where
they played kick the Can, and they when they didn't
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have to worry about a thing in the world. His
close friend Ben Conroy begins to worry when Charles suggests
all that you have to do is wish it and
you can be young again. Ben is worried that his
friend will end up in the looney Ben, But it
is Ben who is in for a surprise, and yes
he does get quite a surprise at the end. By
(15:17):
the way, just off top Barry Truex and who plays
David Whitley, who plays the son of Charlie Whitley. They
are actually father and son in real life. Just throw
that in when we were talking about the cast of
characters Act number one. First thing we open well is
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the opening is like on the sunny Veil Rest Home sign,
which I thought that stuck out to me. The address
is four seventy eight Tranquility Lane. I thought that was
a nice little ad there. I thought that was a
nice piece. Charlie Whitley, he's a retiree at the sunny
Veil Rest Home. He thinks he has discovered the secret
of youth, and he's convinced that if he acts young,
(16:01):
he will become young's He says, what's something he says
in the episode, Well, maybe the Fountain of youth isn't
a fountain at all. It's a state of mind. Kind
of the implication. Early on we get you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Know, I see a lot of Charlie and myself because
nobody wants to think they're getting older, so I just
kind of keep my mind to you know, like, hey,
you're still young, but my body sometimes says, oh, you
ain't that young anymore, you know, just just getting out
of bed or getting up from the booth when we
ate today.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It would be interesting to do if they could do
like a scientific study and the connections of how your
mind affects your body, how they work in connection, and
you know, not denying reality, but those people who stay active,
who their mind stays active and they act like a
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young person in a lot of senses, how that would
affect their overall health and so forth, you know, and
keeping them young.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And another thing, would you say this as a retirement
home or would you say more like a nursing home.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Boy, because some of those people on the.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Porch, Yeah, they're like they're like asleep and like just
staring off at another Because have you ever had the
experience of going to the nursing homes?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, and it's it's a situation.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So yeah, it's just that's what my mind went to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Of course, but yeah, you get that feeling when yeah,
the opening scenes of this episode that it is a depressing,
sad place and and Charlie has just made up his
mind that he's not gonna succumb to all of the
thoughts and feelings that that brings. Well, he's he's really
excited because his son there's mid miss communication, but his
(17:41):
son is coming to visit. Charlie thinks his son is
coming to take him home to live with him and
he and his wife. But Charlie corrects him while they
have a discussion in the car, like, no, we're just
I just came to so we could talk about this.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, no, they said there's been discussions about it, but
he didn't even come visit him.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He just basically gets on the cars.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They're like, no, you're not coming time.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, I was like, wow, that's kind of mean.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, his son delivers that bad news that no, Dad,
you're not coming to live with us. And as Charles
contemplates his disappointment, you know, he goes and sits down
under a tree and he's clutching a metal can that
he's taken off of the street where kids are playing
in the area. They're playing kick the Can.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do you ever play kick the can.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't think like specifically, no, I've always like it
was just always like hide and seek. I never we
never incorporated the can. That's the this like you know what,
I looked that up. The can is like so that
the tree would be like base. So if you go
and if you think of traditional hide and seek, everybody
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goes and hides, and the ones that are caught like
instead of just being like you're it and then you
go count everybody has to go to like home and
they have to sit out right while the county has
to go and look for everybody. But if you're out
in the woods somewhere and you sneak by the person
who's counting and you kick that can, you like basically
(19:12):
released everybody out of jail, if you think about it
like that. So they just incorporate the can as a
way to release become like freeze tag after that that.
I don't know, I think because.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
If I'm standing here and I see you kick the
can and then all those people take off running again.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I don't know how they determine who the next
person is, who's it basically, Yeah, I don't know, but
that's how the can is basically implemented into the game.
Like I said, I've never played it proper, kicked the
can proper. It was always just like hide and seek,
and then whoever the last person was or if you
got tagged, you were automatically it. I don't know how
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to play kick the Can traditionally. So again back to Charlie.
Here he's contemplating his disappointment as he sits down under
the tree. And this is another great introduction I think
with Rod as the camera pants to the woods and
then Rod like comes out from behind a tree and
he delivers his introduction right here. It is I think
(20:15):
it's really cool. He's got his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Is it cooler than him?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right now? I think is the best introduction so far
for me anyway. But this one's a close second, and
he comes out from behind the tree smoking. In this one,
he's yeah, set the woods on fire. So then after
that we come back, Oh, we go to commercial traditionally,
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and the title shot is of Charlie looking out an
upstairs window. It's a moving shot and the kids are
playing on the residential home grounds, which they're not supposed
to be, but they're playing Kick the Can underneath this window.
I thought that was a cool shot. Then we're ushered
into Act number two, his oldest and introduced to Charlie's
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oldest and best friend, Ben Conroy, who he has known
since childhood. And Ben thinks that Charlie's going crazy and
he's able to persuade the homes. Well, we're getting to
get to that. I'm getting ahead of myself. Eventually Ben
is going to go and talk to the home superintendent
mister Cox about, you know, his friend Charlie. He thinks he's,
(21:26):
you know, losing his mind, that he's gonna end up
in the looney Ben. In the meantime, in this scene
here in the beginning stages of Act two, the things
that kind of stuck out to me a little bit
was they discussed magic and being kids, and then I
I beforementioned, I think Charlie says maybe the fountain of
youth isn't a fountain at all. And then he talks
(21:48):
about like high points in his life, like the marriage
to his wife and then the birth of his kid,
and he talks about those as being like magical points
in his life, like and then now there's Ben, the
guy that was in static. I don't think so. I
(22:10):
think that was someone else, but he does resemble him
a lot. But Ben is he's old. He I would
describe him as curmudgeonly. He's over. You know. Basically, it's
me and you and and so you know, Ben tries
(22:31):
to talk Charlie out of you know, he's just like,
you're old. Your heart is old, your lungs are old.
You can't because you know, Charlie has this grand idea
of like he wants to go and be youthful again.
He wants to play kick the Can. And he says,
kick the can is like a ride of passage. It's
a summertime tradition. You know. Maybe the power of youth
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lies in playing this game somehow. And if I could
just find a way to play this game, he thinks
in his mind that he can be made young again.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Essentially, I think maybe he wanted to play kick the bucket.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Right, Ben wait to kick the bucket? And and he asks,
he asks been a pointed question, do you believe it?
You believe in magic? Like, well, I don't believe in magic.
He's like you did like you once did, right, you
put your baby teeth under the pillow for the tooth fairy.
So there was a time when you believed in uh magic,
(23:26):
so that again those themes run true to like the
magic of youth, if you will. So ultimately that brings
me back around as we sort of end act to
where Ben goes and he we have a scene where
he tells mister Cox, Hey, Charlie's acting kind of nutty,
(23:48):
and what's mister Cox's solution if you will, like, ah,
we'll just drug him up buddy in bed and we'll
tell him to slow down, and you know, basically we're
gonna try to keep him under control. And again, Charlie
thinks kick the can is the fountain of youth, and
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he's sort of focused in on this. He wants to
play it like those kids. So Cox decides, as a
result of this meeting with Ben that he's gonna put
Charles in isolation. He's gonna put him under observation. But
before that can happen, he catches Ben running in a
sprinkler that's out in the yard, sprinkling the grass. You know, well,
(24:36):
if we go in order of sequence, like, mister Cox
and Ben conclude their meeting and then they meet Charlie
in the hall and he rolls that Hahahan starts running
out and he's acting real giddy, and he runs out
of the front door and he decides he's gonna run in
the sprinkler. Mister Cox is like incensed, like he's going, like,
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what are you doing? Get out of there, and he's
a but you're getting all wet, and he's really angry.
He tells him to go inside and change his clothes,
and you know, they're probably gonna drug him up to
keep or he can't cause any more trouble. In the meantime,
he's trying to convince all of his old friends that
you know, we should play kick the can, and I
(25:21):
think that will take us to act three, So an
act three one last time, Ben tries to convince Charles
to act as as sedate as the other residents to
avoid the fate of being basically locked away in isolation.
He's like, look, they're gonna if you don't start acting right,
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they're going to isolate you. You're gonna be all by
yourself and they're going to try to subdue you. But
it was to no available. Charlie was not going to
be deterred at all. He's gonna do what he wants
to do. And while Ben sees aging as an end
escapable fact of life. Charles is convinced that Ben himself
is thinking as an old man and that has made
(26:06):
him old. So as you think, though, therefore you are
so that night, and we're at that part now here
in the episode, Charles convinces a number of residents to
play the game of kick the Can. He goes around
and wakes everybody up. He first he starts with the
guys in his dormitory, and then he goes and wakes
up the ladies and they convene all in one room
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and he tries to talk Ben into joining in with
the game, but Ben refuses. And I thought this was
a really sad line when he's trying to convince Ben
to play with him, and Charlie says, well, I can't
play kick the Can alone, like he was really sad.
I think he was really sad that Ben didn't want
to play. So the residents devise a plan. They're gonna
(26:50):
light a firecracker and throw it out the windows. He
has a diversion and drawing the attention away so they
can sneak out the door. Meanwhile, after the firecracker goes off,
Ben alerts mister Cox, the resident ra if you will
that all the residents are up. They run outside and
(27:11):
find a group of children playing kick the can instead
of the old people. And then Ben recognizes one of
the children as Charles, who has become young again, and
he begs young Charlie for a chance to go with him,
but the boy seems not to know him and dashes
away into the darkness, and mister Cox searches everywhere and elsewhere,
(27:34):
like behind the house and all over the place where
the elderly the elderly residents, while Ben walks slowly to
the front of the steps of Sunnyville and sits there
with the can alone, knowing that mister Cox can look
all he wants for these residents, but they will never
be found because they have all been transported back to youth.
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I thought that was an awesome scene right there where
Ben sees young Charlie and Charlie like it's like his
memory is erased of everything that happened in adulthood and
he's just living it up like you know, being a kid.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Or do you think he died?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't know, is that in your question as an obb.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
That's just you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like, I don't know, do you think Ben died it
or you mean Charlie died and then like got reincarnated
or something back into his young body or something.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Or yeah, kind of basically like he went back to
the happier times of his life where magic happened. And
that's why he doesn't remember this because none of it
really happened in his life, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Hmm, that's an interesting take. I just I just thought
I thought, more on a basic level than the Twilight
Zone basically transported him back in time to when he
was a kid, kind of like when.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But yeah, when the one guy met himself at the
carousel or the carb in the wood, what was that
distance existence?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, that that that would be a good you know,
I think we're on the same plane there. I just
thought it was really cool, like his facial going to
Charlie's facial expression was perfect, like like just staring. He's
just staring at a regular old he doesn't know, and
they were lifelong friends and he couldn't remember him.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
But I don't understand why he still couldn't go back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question too.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
After that I'm sure he's gonna believe.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, that was very well done. He's the last one
in the woods is the rotten Apple, and then they
all you hear all the kids running and playing. I mean,
I was just excellent. I really enjoyed this one a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Did you tear up, Eric?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did you tear up? I don't know if I tear
it up, but you know it was good. No, it's
not Ransom grew, but I think the the Twilight Zone
movie adaptation. You ever get a chance to watch the
new version, Okay, I have a little bit about that
in the trivia here. Anything you want to throw ill
(30:01):
writing notes, I.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Was gonna write this is the only thing that I
thought of, and it's it really hits home when you
stop and think about because a lot of people don't
realize this. And I found this thing on Facebook a
while back and I put it up there and it said,
you know, there was a time when you went outside
to play with your friends for the last time.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
And none of you knew it mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And I kind of got that at the end of this.
So that's kind of what I was feeling.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that was a good connection. Yeah, this episode came
as a result of George Clayton Johnson again, George Clayton Johnson,
the hippie. That's all we always remember. It looks like
Grizzly Adams his efforts. His efforts were to try to
charm producer Buck Houghton with the evocative idea of a
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rest home and the types of old people found in
such a place. I wrote this is Clayton Johnson says,
I wrote a five page stories about an old man
who picks up a tin can and tries to remember
the rules of the game. He encourages the other people
in the old Folks Home to become young again in
spirit by playing the game. It was an offbeat story
that one might find down the road from where they live.
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Buck read the story and we would talk about the story,
and I went home to rework the material. After a while,
he told me that the story was much better and
ordered me to write the script. So I went home
and I wrote the script and offered it up and
it became this Twilight Zone episode. This episode was one
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of three episodes to be remade for The Twilight Zone
the movie in nineteen eighty three. The relevant segment was
directed by Steven Spielberg. So in the movie Steven Spielberg,
you know, obviously he directed this snippet. Inside of the
Twilight Zone movie, we talked about Barry Truex and Ernest
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Truex being father and son in real life. Again, the
title refers to a game related to tag hide and Seek,
can Capture the Flag, which can be played outdoors. So
I think it's like a conglomeration of all three of
those games. But yeah, I'm not exactly sure how it
all works out, but it can be played with as
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many as three to a dozen players. The game is
one of skill, strategy, and stealth as well as fleetness.
Mister Cox or John Marley, the Superintendent, mentioned that he
was forty three years old in the episode. At the
time of filming, John Marley was actually fifty five years old,
so he underestimated his birth date. I thought that did
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stick out to me, kind of like he's like, I
first came to the Rest Home when I was such
and such agent. Now I'm forty three. I was like, bro,
you're louder than forty three. When I was watching it initially,
this episode, along with It's a Good Life a Nightmare
at twenty thousand feet was rebroadcast on the evening of Wednesday,
July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty three, in an effort to
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promote the Twilight Movie to Twilight Zone Movie, and it
was released theoretic theatrically that summer. So Carol Serling, which
is Rod's wife, I believe his widow, supplied commentary for
the two hour television special with brief glimpses and sneak
peaks at the motion picture. So that was back in
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nineteen eighty three. In the summer, they rolled out the
you know, a mini series sort of with those three episodes.
That's all I have really is part of my trivia.
I'll let Jimbo go with his questions of observations. Is
overall ranking don't disappoint me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
This is a tricky one, okay, because while the premise
seems good, the execution is lacking. Okay, I mean it
starts off. Man, I'm depressed watching it. I mean, you
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see the like I had trauma from when I used
to have to go to the nursing home, you know
what I mean, And just see them people wandering around
them halls and the stench and everything, and it's sad
because you know that they have families too, and you
just they're just there with nobody. You know, all these
other people here that are at this home, where's their families? Yeah,
(34:25):
maybe they don't have anybody. Maybe nobody wants to come
see them. So it starts pulling on your tuchstrings at
the beginning, and it doesn't let up the bond between
the two friends. Like you said, it's kind of like
me and you. You're kind of more serious and stern.
I'm more of like a ha ha ha, you know.
(34:45):
But it's sad to see them grow apart as they
got older. And we both know from just before we
reconnected after what twenty years twenty five years, It's not
that we were mad at each other. It's just we
both went Life happens, and we both went different ways.
Not different ways, but you know, you have your own
(35:07):
family to take care of and which I'm glad we
reconnected in the end. Because there's people from high school
and out of my class, I probably really only talked
to maybe one maybe, Yeah, And that's sad because when
you were high school, those were your friends, you know,
years of your life, you know, help build the.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Person you are.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And then you wonder where they're at today, and you
might see a Facebook post something like what happened?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So, now that I got off my soapbox about that,
it was, it was. It was well written. I see
a lot of Charlie and myself, like running through the sprinklers.
We used to do that all the time when I
was a kid. You know, do you ever pulled the
trick on your sister or whatever? Hey, drink out of
the hose? Have you been to hose you let go?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, yeah, I could teach kids if you thinks today.
But stuff like that. For my I think Charlie did
a really good job. The old man Charles, I think
he did a really good job, and.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
So did Ben. Ben did. He's going to be in
just a mean old man.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I mean I think he's lonely and he doesn't know
how to process it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean from Ben, let me just park here
for a second. Like from Ben's perspective, when you talk
about nursing homes and the nature of the people that
are there, most of their family has passed away and
they're like one of the well, I mean maybe their
children are there, are still there, like Charlie's son, but
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they don't come to visit him. They just leave.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Well, what does it ever say?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Why?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay, Like Ben and Charlie's it's like they shouldn't even
be in there compared to them other people. Yeah, other
people are like comatos so much.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well, you know, I wonder what their actual ages of
the actors were, you know, in real life. I didn't
look that up. I wonder how they were when this
episode was, you know, released. But I think from Ben's perspective,
he's probably depressed many of his I'm just going out
on the limb. I'm gonna do a character right here.
(37:19):
But like his family's gone, he's there by himself. He
has no options, you know. The small amount of joy
that he has, if any is, I guess it's peace
and quiet for him because the kids get on his
nerves and the only solace that he has is his
old friend. Really, and now he feels like his old
(37:40):
friend is like maybe cracking up and losing his mind,
and he's wanting him to think rationally, and that makes
him look like a curmudgeonly old man. It does in
some extent, But I think that plays a lot into
you know what Ben's life experiences were and it is.
It's it's very it's it is sad. And if you
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want to go and get a spark of joy, the
last place you would want to go as a nursing home.
But you got to remember those are still people. There's
there's still youth inside of them, but it's been so
long they forget, they forget what it was like. And yeah,
I'm rambling on, but I'll just go ahead and I'll
(38:24):
finish with my statement here and if you if you
have more, I didn't mean to do.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, So after taking everything I said into consideration, sorry
to cut you off so long and hard about this
where I'm gonna rate this and I think I'm gonna
finally land the plane at an eight five.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, So that's more than I thought you would go,
all right. So the last point to summarize, kind of
like as we're talking back and forth here, is that
we take things for granted. In our youth. We hear
older folks say, or maybe it was our grandparents. They
they'll start a sentence, you know when I was your age,
(39:01):
and immediately we just tune out and we go, yeah,
like our eyes glaze over. We go whatever, here we
go again. And you know, when you're young, you don't
realize that old people were you at that time, and
you just we take it for granted and we dismiss
it and we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, here we go
with another one of these when I was your age stories.
(39:21):
And as we get older, though, we understand, like our
perspective changes, right as you get older, and like, okay,
I understand what they were going through when I was
not ten years old, and I just like dismissed when
they try to tell me a story about, you know,
when they were ten years old. And that's kind of
the sad part in the episode is you know, they're
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they're struggling with coming to grips with that, and one
person in the story wasn't going to let it go,
you know, Charlie was not going to let that youth go,
that youth was still inside him, where Ben had already
sort of conceded like all right, I'm just gonna I'm old.
My bones don't work, my lungs don't work, my heart
don't wear, and you know that's the contrast. But yet
(40:07):
they were remained long life, lifelong friends, which that only
added to the story anyway, I'm gonna give this one.
I'm right there with you. I'm at least an eight five.
It's it's not top tier, but it's just under I
thought it was a great story. And imagine though, if
it could really happen. Oh man, I mean mind when like, right, wow,
(40:30):
what if that really could happen? Obviously it can't, but
but we just got we gotta let it be a lesson.
You know, consider your days and make the most of
them the one that you have, because they are numbered
and you don't know when they're going to be done.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So with that, well, we finally got a good episode. Eric.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Next time we discussed. I think it's the one with
the guy buys the piano for his wife or whatever
and the piano makes them tell the truth or whatever. Yeah,
so if you want to follow us to charge to
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We're thinking of you. We know you've been in starting
school and everything. So so with that being said, I
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think this episode is coming to a close.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
That's up and got.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Sunny Vale Rest a dying place for ancient people who
have forgotten the fragile magic of youth, A dying place
for those who have forgotten the childhood, maturity, and old
age are curiously intertwined and not separate. A dying place
for those who have grown too stiff in their thinking
to visit. The Twilights on
Speaker 1 (42:00):
The p
There's a podcast that lies between the imagination of two
simple minded Earthlings. Travel with these two longtime friends, Jimbo
and eighties E as they attempt to explore the fifth dimension.
Follow along with them as they take the key and
unlock the door to the vast space between shadow and substance.
(00:24):
This podcast is one of trivia, of insight, and of
sounds and ideas from one of the greatest television shows
ever produced. You are embarking on a timeless journey. There
is your signpost up ahead. You are entering the Tragedy
of Cinema's Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Sunny Veil rest, a home for the Agent, a dying place,
and a common children's game called kick the Can. It
will shortly become a refuge for a man who knows
you of die in this world if he doesn't escape
into the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast,
the Twilight Zone series.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I am your host Jimbo and I'm your co host
Dady z Eric.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Today will today be the day Eric finally likes an
episode of the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We get to a good episode. Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Let's see Eric I have a question for you. At
the think of this, I'm changing things up. Okay, Kyle Jr. Okay, Eric,
what do you think what were your top three favorite
games to play outside when you were a kid, your
childhood games or school games.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay? I like playing four square.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That was my number one.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, sir, you played that a lot in elementary made
it come back. I think jumping rope was something that
made it come back for a while. Obviously playing you know,
shooting hoop that was my number two. Was a dodgeball okay.
And then there was another one that I thought of
and it just slipped out of my mind. Something that
(02:09):
we I probably hide traditional hide and seek that And
then what about do you remember another honorable I thought
this as an honorablestion?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Do you remember Red Rover? Red Rover so whatever, he
tried to pick the head. Boy, we give bumps, bruises, cuts,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, I don't know if this was a story. There
was always a story of the urban legend that floated
around that. Maybe maybe it was just my mom that
told me the story that she was playing in the
neighborhood Red Rover and they sent a kid over and
he tried to bust through the line and he like
crushed his windpipe or something and he had to go
(02:44):
to the er because you know, it was a violent game.
And then they weren't allowed to play it anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh man, Well we always had the kickball too. Kickball
was always remember or what was a twenty one tip?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Twenty one tip? We used to play?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Was that?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What was called the basketball?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah? Off the back? Yeah, yeah, I kickball. That was
a that was a good one for a while. I
think we played a lot of kickball in elementary frisbee.
I love frisbee, but it's more than three.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But yeah, but the top that the forest pair was
number one. Man, you got it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, once you.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Got up to the king spy, you were the king
of the cool.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. That was the good times, all right. So this
episode for our Twilight Zone is called kick the Can.
It's a Twilight Zone season number three, episode number twenty one,
and it was Pardon Me. It was recorded on or
(03:42):
aired on February ninth, nineteen sixty two, and it came
in a production cost of around forty seven, nine hundred
and sixty four dollars and eighty two cents, and so
it came in a little bit under our fifty thousand
dollars benchmark. So as pertains to February ninth, nineteen sixty two.
You know what time it is, folks. It brings us
(04:03):
to our favorite.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Sorry, I fat figured that one wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Our favorite segment in the episode, the segment we like
to call on this day in history. All right, So
on this day in TV and film history, and we
throw in a couple birthdays and maybe some sports trivia
as well. For February the ninth, let's go all the
way back to nineteen forty and a man by the
name of Joe Lewis beats Arturo Goodoy in a fifteen
(04:35):
round heavyweight boxing match and he wins the title. Joe
Lewis does and he defeats Goodoy. On February ninth, nineteen.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Forty, everybody's talking about Joe.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Lewis, Joe Lewis, famous boxer. Hey, here's a big one.
I've got multiple stories of family members telling me they
know where they were, what they were doing when this
event happened. On February ninth, nineteen sixty four is the
first appearance of the Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show
Live from New York broadcast. It drew get this seventy
(05:08):
three point seven million viewers on February the ninth, nineteen
sixty four. Yeah. So the Beatles' first American appearance February ninth,
nineteen seventy three, and this will have ties to our
podcast series here in nineteen seventy three, an American singer
(05:30):
and songwriter, which I didn't know this because he was
also an actor. His name was Paul Williams. He played
Virgil in the Planet of the Apes movies. He however,
he sung a song and the title of the song
was called Here's that Rainy Day.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know if that song was from the movie.
I don't think it was.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh no, if I remember correctly, there's an he does
an appearance on I think he's on The Tonight Show
with Johnny Carras.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's exactly what it is. Costume, he is in full regalia.
He appeared on February ninth, nineteen seventy three, on The
Johnny Carson Show and he sang that I didn't know
that he was a singer songwriter, but he sang this
song in full costume on The Tonight Show.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And you can find that on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, this one is a little more closer to our
time in day. February ninth, nineteen ninety two, it was
the forty second NBA All Star Game in Orlando, Florida.
The West beat the East and they beat him one
hundred and fifty three to one hundred and thirteen. And
the MVP for that NBA All Star Game was one
(06:36):
Magic Urban Magic Johnson of the LA Lakers. Remember do
you remember this, You remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Where they also turns gardening? Yeah, yeah, well I think
I have that on VHS tape.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I think so. Nineteen ninety two, right after the
season started, actually it was late nineteen ninety one, Magic
announced that he had HIV right and he didn't. He
basically tired from basketball, wasn't going to play in the NBA.
But the fans voted that year to bring him back
for the All Star Game, and so the NBA let
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him come back and play in the All Star Game
and he I mean it was a really great ending,
like he hit a fadeaway three pointer to end the game.
He was the game's MVP and everyone.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So they all took turns like Isaiah Thomas towards.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The end of the game, yeah, it was pretty memorable,
at least for our generation. February the ninth, nineteen ninety seven,
The Fox cartoon The Simpsons airs it's one hundred and
sixty seventh episode back in nineteen ninety seven. Things still on, Yep,
it was that made it the longest running animated series
in cartoon history. And it's still going. So I don't
(07:43):
think anybody's ever going to touch them. No, it's gone
on for decades and decades and eons and eons. February
the ninth, two thousand and six, Al Michaels joins NBC's
Sunday Night football broadcast with John Madden, which I think
Al Michaels has moved on to another broadcast. He's no
longer broadcasting Sunday Night.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Football and John madd has just moved on.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yes, sadly, John Madden moved on and he is no longer.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I mean, let's talk about Brett Farr. You know that's
just as Brett Farr boo.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. So, I'm sure Madden's family is set up in
perpetuity with the success of the John Madden Football game
for going on and on and on, got three birthdays here,
so for February ninth, nineteen forty three. Famous actor Joe
(08:33):
Peshy of Good Fellas, Half Nelson, Casino and count the
Irishman and countless countless other Well, he was in uh
home alone, home alone. He was a lethal weapon. I
think lethal weapon three or four. I don't know, so
Joe Peshey decorated actor February ninth, nineteen eighty seven. Won
(08:55):
Michael B. Jordan The Black Panther. Well, he wasn't the
Black Panther. He was blow with Black Panthers Nemesis in
the first Black Panther movie. Right. He was born in
Santa Ana, California. Michael B. Jordan, he's thirty seven years old.
Joe Peshi, by the way, was born in Newark, New Jersey,
and he's currently eighty one years old.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You know, I've seen about that the other day. A
lot of our people growing up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Man. You know, you look at like Clint Eastwood fading out.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Man, they're just you know, we just east was he
like ninety five ninety.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Three, Yeah, something crazy and he's just to finished directing
his last movie or whatever. Yeah, you know, we just
lost what said Vicious or sig Justice, you know from
wrestling and I was like, man, just childhood's getting raised
step by step.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah. February ninth, nineteen eighty seven. Probably a little less
known actress. Her name is Rose Leslie. She's a Scottish actress.
She's from famous for Dowton Abbey and Game of Thrones.
She was born in Aberdeen, Scotland in nineteen eighty seven.
She's thirty seven years old. Have you watched any of
(09:58):
the Game of Thrones?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
See I haven't, and all of Dalton Abbey. You'll like that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So you're familiar with one Rose Leslie? Yeah, okay, good,
I'm glad. Someone is I need to get on the train.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
To get on the Abbey train. I guess our otters
wild probably like it too.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah. Probably. So let's talk about a couple of dates
of filming and a couple of dates of rehearsal for
this episode, and then Jimbo can tell us about that
this is a big cast for this episode. But dates
of rehearsal just quickly two days September twelfth and thirteenth
of nineteen sixty one, and dates of filming were only
two days for this one for filming second and thirteen.
(10:37):
Maybe that's an air I might have to go back
and check that again. But the first day of filming
it consisted of all the exterior shots of the retirement
home and it was shot on Lot number three at MGM,
and it filmed the afternoon into evening, which makes sense
in light of the episode, because there's some evening shots
of you know, where they're playing kick the can at
(10:58):
the end of the episode, and it's at night. The
stage eighteen filming took place on the second and third
day with the old folks in the dormitory corridor and office.
That was on the second and third day. The sounds
of the kids cheering and playing in the woods, you know,
playing kick the can. That was all recorded in Syncroom
A from nine am till noon on October the twenty seventh,
(11:22):
so a little over a month later. They dubbed all
of the kids' voices and the playing and the cheering
and all that in later. So there you go. There's
a little snapshot of the background of how it was
put together. Jimbo tell us about this extended cast.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, we have quite a larger cast, and all of
them pretty much our main characters, if you will. Yeah,
but the main main character is Ernest True actually plays Charlie.
Charles Whitley Charlie. He was in a movie, His Girl Friday,
in nineteen forty. He had Russell Collins. He played Ben Conroy.
(11:55):
He was in The Enemy Below in nineteen fifty seven.
He had John Marley the sunny Velle Superintendent Cox He's
a weird one but a love story in nineteen seventy
and he was also in the Godfather where we played
Jack Waltz. You had Hank Patterson Free Tag. He was
in The Amazing Colossal Man in nineteen fifty seven. Also Eric,
(12:17):
a little TV show you might remember Acres is the
Place Stop where you played Fred Zibba over eighty five episodes.
Earl Hodgens, he played Aggie Aggie. He was in Oregon
Trail in nineteen forty five. Marjorie Bennett, she was Missus Summers.
She was in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane in nineteen
(12:39):
sixty two, and she was also in one hundred and
one dalmationis in the cartoon where she was the voice
of the Duchess. So it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
A lot of these did a lot of voice actingly.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, a lot of the Twilight Zone people were in
Disney movies like Voice. Actually, it's pretty cool. You had
Leonora Shane Wise was Missus Dinsley. She was in Matt
in a Theater in nineteen fifty five. She was also
on an episode of The Monsters and a couple other
little things and O'Neill Missus Wister. She was in a
Gun Crazy in nineteen fifty and she also played Missus
(13:11):
Ward in Carrie Grant's The Bishop's Wife. It's a pretty
good movie if you haven't seen it. Bert Mustin played Carlson.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He was in Everything, Andy Griffith. He's in Twilight Zone
earlier Night of the Meek, Right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I believe so.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Then he had Gregory mccob or McCabe whatever. He's boy
number one uncredited.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And all these old was he old boy number one?
Is that Charlie?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Then maybe I would I would say, but it was uncredited.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Really, well, Eric, you don't really know if that was
Charlie do. Then he had Eve McVeigh. She was the
nurse that was uncredited. She was in High Noon in
nineteen fifty two. He had Scott Seedon. He was one
of the residents. He was in the House without a
Kid in nineteen twenty six, Barry Truex played David. He
was on The Benny Goodman Show, and of course Rod Starling.
(14:03):
It didn't have a lot of the other little kids
listed in here, so all right, maybe they just did
it for fun.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'm surprised they didn't credit to boy number one though. Yeah,
I mean, well, I mean Gregory, Yeah, Gregory McCabe was
his name, but we don't well, I have to look
that up. I guess I'm going to assume that that's
young Charlie because there are several frames on his face,
which I'll get to that at the end. I thought
that was outstanding. But let's uh, like, once again, I'm
(14:32):
not getting ahead of myself. Let's talk about a plot
for this episode. Charles Whitley is an elderly resident of
sunny Vale Rest, Home for the aged. It's not a
happy place, and charles hopes of moving in with his
son David are dashed when he's told that they can't
take him in. He wistfully recalls his youth and where
they played kick the Can, and they when they didn't
(14:54):
have to worry about a thing in the world. His
close friend Ben Conroy begins to worry when Charles suggests
all that you have to do is wish it and
you can be young again. Ben is worried that his
friend will end up in the looney Ben, But it
is Ben who is in for a surprise, and yes
he does get quite a surprise at the end. By
(15:17):
the way, just off top Barry Truex and who plays
David Whitley, who plays the son of Charlie Whitley. They
are actually father and son in real life. Just throw
that in when we were talking about the cast of
characters Act number one. First thing we open well is
(15:38):
the opening is like on the sunny Veil Rest Home sign,
which I thought that stuck out to me. The address
is four seventy eight Tranquility Lane. I thought that was
a nice little ad there. I thought that was a
nice piece. Charlie Whitley, he's a retiree at the sunny
Veil Rest Home. He thinks he has discovered the secret
of youth, and he's convinced that if he acts young,
(16:01):
he will become young's He says, what's something he says
in the episode, Well, maybe the Fountain of youth isn't
a fountain at all. It's a state of mind. Kind
of the implication. Early on we get you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Know, I see a lot of Charlie and myself because
nobody wants to think they're getting older, so I just
kind of keep my mind to you know, like, hey,
you're still young, but my body sometimes says, oh, you
ain't that young anymore, you know, just just getting out
of bed or getting up from the booth when we
ate today.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It would be interesting to do if they could do
like a scientific study and the connections of how your
mind affects your body, how they work in connection, and
you know, not denying reality, but those people who stay active,
who their mind stays active and they act like a
(16:49):
young person in a lot of senses, how that would
affect their overall health and so forth, you know, and
keeping them young.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And another thing, would you say this as a retirement
home or would you say more like a nursing home.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Boy, because some of those people on the.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Porch, Yeah, they're like they're like asleep and like just
staring off at another Because have you ever had the
experience of going to the nursing homes?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, and it's it's a situation.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So yeah, it's just that's what my mind went to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Of course, but yeah, you get that feeling when yeah,
the opening scenes of this episode that it is a depressing,
sad place and and Charlie has just made up his
mind that he's not gonna succumb to all of the
thoughts and feelings that that brings. Well, he's he's really
excited because his son there's mid miss communication, but his
(17:41):
son is coming to visit. Charlie thinks his son is
coming to take him home to live with him and
he and his wife. But Charlie corrects him while they
have a discussion in the car, like, no, we're just
I just came to so we could talk about this.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, no, they said there's been discussions about it, but
he didn't even come visit him.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He just basically gets on the cars.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They're like, no, you're not coming time.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, I was like, wow, that's kind of mean.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, his son delivers that bad news that no, Dad,
you're not coming to live with us. And as Charles
contemplates his disappointment, you know, he goes and sits down
under a tree and he's clutching a metal can that
he's taken off of the street where kids are playing
in the area. They're playing kick the Can.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do you ever play kick the can.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't think like specifically, no, I've always like it
was just always like hide and seek. I never we
never incorporated the can. That's the this like you know what,
I looked that up. The can is like so that
the tree would be like base. So if you go
and if you think of traditional hide and seek, everybody
(18:51):
goes and hides, and the ones that are caught like
instead of just being like you're it and then you
go count everybody has to go to like home and
they have to sit out right while the county has
to go and look for everybody. But if you're out
in the woods somewhere and you sneak by the person
who's counting and you kick that can, you like basically
(19:12):
released everybody out of jail, if you think about it
like that. So they just incorporate the can as a
way to release become like freeze tag after that that.
I don't know, I think because.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
If I'm standing here and I see you kick the
can and then all those people take off running again.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I don't know how they determine who the next
person is, who's it basically, Yeah, I don't know, but
that's how the can is basically implemented into the game.
Like I said, I've never played it proper, kicked the
can proper. It was always just like hide and seek,
and then whoever the last person was or if you
got tagged, you were automatically it. I don't know how
(19:53):
to play kick the Can traditionally. So again back to Charlie.
Here he's contemplating his disappointment as he sits down under
the tree. And this is another great introduction I think
with Rod as the camera pants to the woods and
then Rod like comes out from behind a tree and
he delivers his introduction right here. It is I think
(20:15):
it's really cool. He's got his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Is it cooler than him?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right now? I think is the best introduction so far
for me anyway. But this one's a close second, and
he comes out from behind the tree smoking. In this one,
he's yeah, set the woods on fire. So then after
that we come back, Oh, we go to commercial traditionally,
(20:40):
and the title shot is of Charlie looking out an
upstairs window. It's a moving shot and the kids are
playing on the residential home grounds, which they're not supposed
to be, but they're playing Kick the Can underneath this window.
I thought that was a cool shot. Then we're ushered
into Act number two, his oldest and introduced to Charlie's
(21:01):
oldest and best friend, Ben Conroy, who he has known
since childhood. And Ben thinks that Charlie's going crazy and
he's able to persuade the homes. Well, we're getting to
get to that. I'm getting ahead of myself. Eventually Ben
is going to go and talk to the home superintendent
mister Cox about, you know, his friend Charlie. He thinks he's,
(21:26):
you know, losing his mind, that he's gonna end up
in the looney Ben. In the meantime, in this scene
here in the beginning stages of Act two, the things
that kind of stuck out to me a little bit
was they discussed magic and being kids, and then I
I beforementioned, I think Charlie says maybe the fountain of
youth isn't a fountain at all. And then he talks
(21:48):
about like high points in his life, like the marriage
to his wife and then the birth of his kid,
and he talks about those as being like magical points
in his life, like and then now there's Ben, the
guy that was in static. I don't think so. I
(22:10):
think that was someone else, but he does resemble him
a lot. But Ben is he's old. He I would
describe him as curmudgeonly. He's over. You know. Basically, it's
me and you and and so you know, Ben tries
(22:31):
to talk Charlie out of you know, he's just like,
you're old. Your heart is old, your lungs are old.
You can't because you know, Charlie has this grand idea
of like he wants to go and be youthful again.
He wants to play kick the Can. And he says,
kick the can is like a ride of passage. It's
a summertime tradition. You know. Maybe the power of youth
(22:52):
lies in playing this game somehow. And if I could
just find a way to play this game, he thinks
in his mind that he can be made young again.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Essentially, I think maybe he wanted to play kick the bucket.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Right, Ben wait to kick the bucket? And and he asks,
he asks been a pointed question, do you believe it?
You believe in magic? Like, well, I don't believe in magic.
He's like you did like you once did, right, you
put your baby teeth under the pillow for the tooth fairy.
So there was a time when you believed in uh magic,
(23:26):
so that again those themes run true to like the
magic of youth, if you will. So ultimately that brings
me back around as we sort of end act to
where Ben goes and he we have a scene where
he tells mister Cox, Hey, Charlie's acting kind of nutty,
(23:48):
and what's mister Cox's solution if you will, like, ah,
we'll just drug him up buddy in bed and we'll
tell him to slow down, and you know, basically we're
gonna try to keep him under control. And again, Charlie
thinks kick the can is the fountain of youth, and
(24:11):
he's sort of focused in on this. He wants to
play it like those kids. So Cox decides, as a
result of this meeting with Ben that he's gonna put
Charles in isolation. He's gonna put him under observation. But
before that can happen, he catches Ben running in a
sprinkler that's out in the yard, sprinkling the grass. You know, well,
(24:36):
if we go in order of sequence, like, mister Cox
and Ben conclude their meeting and then they meet Charlie
in the hall and he rolls that Hahahan starts running
out and he's acting real giddy, and he runs out
of the front door and he decides he's gonna run in
the sprinkler. Mister Cox is like incensed, like he's going, like,
(25:00):
what are you doing? Get out of there, and he's
a but you're getting all wet, and he's really angry.
He tells him to go inside and change his clothes,
and you know, they're probably gonna drug him up to
keep or he can't cause any more trouble. In the meantime,
he's trying to convince all of his old friends that
you know, we should play kick the can, and I
(25:21):
think that will take us to act three, So an
act three one last time, Ben tries to convince Charles
to act as as sedate as the other residents to
avoid the fate of being basically locked away in isolation.
He's like, look, they're gonna if you don't start acting right,
(25:43):
they're going to isolate you. You're gonna be all by
yourself and they're going to try to subdue you. But
it was to no available. Charlie was not going to
be deterred at all. He's gonna do what he wants
to do. And while Ben sees aging as an end
escapable fact of life. Charles is convinced that Ben himself
is thinking as an old man and that has made
(26:06):
him old. So as you think, though, therefore you are
so that night, and we're at that part now here
in the episode, Charles convinces a number of residents to
play the game of kick the Can. He goes around
and wakes everybody up. He first he starts with the
guys in his dormitory, and then he goes and wakes
up the ladies and they convene all in one room
(26:26):
and he tries to talk Ben into joining in with
the game, but Ben refuses. And I thought this was
a really sad line when he's trying to convince Ben
to play with him, and Charlie says, well, I can't
play kick the Can alone, like he was really sad.
I think he was really sad that Ben didn't want
to play. So the residents devise a plan. They're gonna
(26:50):
light a firecracker and throw it out the windows. He
has a diversion and drawing the attention away so they
can sneak out the door. Meanwhile, after the firecracker goes off,
Ben alerts mister Cox, the resident ra if you will
that all the residents are up. They run outside and
(27:11):
find a group of children playing kick the can instead
of the old people. And then Ben recognizes one of
the children as Charles, who has become young again, and
he begs young Charlie for a chance to go with him,
but the boy seems not to know him and dashes
away into the darkness, and mister Cox searches everywhere and elsewhere,
(27:34):
like behind the house and all over the place where
the elderly the elderly residents, while Ben walks slowly to
the front of the steps of Sunnyville and sits there
with the can alone, knowing that mister Cox can look
all he wants for these residents, but they will never
be found because they have all been transported back to youth.
(27:56):
I thought that was an awesome scene right there where
Ben sees young Charlie and Charlie like it's like his
memory is erased of everything that happened in adulthood and
he's just living it up like you know, being a kid.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Or do you think he died?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't know, is that in your question as an obb.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
That's just you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like, I don't know, do you think Ben died it
or you mean Charlie died and then like got reincarnated
or something back into his young body or something.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Or yeah, kind of basically like he went back to
the happier times of his life where magic happened. And
that's why he doesn't remember this because none of it
really happened in his life, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Hmm, that's an interesting take. I just I just thought
I thought, more on a basic level than the Twilight
Zone basically transported him back in time to when he
was a kid, kind of like when.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But yeah, when the one guy met himself at the
carousel or the carb in the wood, what was that
distance existence?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, that that that would be a good you know,
I think we're on the same plane there. I just
thought it was really cool, like his facial going to
Charlie's facial expression was perfect, like like just staring. He's
just staring at a regular old he doesn't know, and
they were lifelong friends and he couldn't remember him.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
But I don't understand why he still couldn't go back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question too.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
After that I'm sure he's gonna believe.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, that was very well done. He's the last one
in the woods is the rotten Apple, and then they
all you hear all the kids running and playing. I mean,
I was just excellent. I really enjoyed this one a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Did you tear up, Eric?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did you tear up? I don't know if I tear
it up, but you know it was good. No, it's
not Ransom grew, but I think the the Twilight Zone
movie adaptation. You ever get a chance to watch the
new version, Okay, I have a little bit about that
in the trivia here. Anything you want to throw ill
(30:01):
writing notes, I.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Was gonna write this is the only thing that I
thought of, and it's it really hits home when you
stop and think about because a lot of people don't
realize this. And I found this thing on Facebook a
while back and I put it up there and it said,
you know, there was a time when you went outside
to play with your friends for the last time.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
And none of you knew it mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And I kind of got that at the end of this.
So that's kind of what I was feeling.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that was a good connection. Yeah, this episode came
as a result of George Clayton Johnson again, George Clayton Johnson,
the hippie. That's all we always remember. It looks like
Grizzly Adams his efforts. His efforts were to try to
charm producer Buck Houghton with the evocative idea of a
(30:47):
rest home and the types of old people found in
such a place. I wrote this is Clayton Johnson says,
I wrote a five page stories about an old man
who picks up a tin can and tries to remember
the rules of the game. He encourages the other people
in the old Folks Home to become young again in
spirit by playing the game. It was an offbeat story
that one might find down the road from where they live.
(31:10):
Buck read the story and we would talk about the story,
and I went home to rework the material. After a while,
he told me that the story was much better and
ordered me to write the script. So I went home
and I wrote the script and offered it up and
it became this Twilight Zone episode. This episode was one
(31:31):
of three episodes to be remade for The Twilight Zone
the movie in nineteen eighty three. The relevant segment was
directed by Steven Spielberg. So in the movie Steven Spielberg,
you know, obviously he directed this snippet. Inside of the
Twilight Zone movie, we talked about Barry Truex and Ernest
(31:51):
Truex being father and son in real life. Again, the
title refers to a game related to tag hide and Seek,
can Capture the Flag, which can be played outdoors. So
I think it's like a conglomeration of all three of
those games. But yeah, I'm not exactly sure how it
all works out, but it can be played with as
(32:12):
many as three to a dozen players. The game is
one of skill, strategy, and stealth as well as fleetness.
Mister Cox or John Marley, the Superintendent, mentioned that he
was forty three years old in the episode. At the
time of filming, John Marley was actually fifty five years old,
so he underestimated his birth date. I thought that did
(32:34):
stick out to me, kind of like he's like, I
first came to the Rest Home when I was such
and such agent. Now I'm forty three. I was like, bro,
you're louder than forty three. When I was watching it initially,
this episode, along with It's a Good Life a Nightmare
at twenty thousand feet was rebroadcast on the evening of Wednesday,
July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty three, in an effort to
(32:57):
promote the Twilight Movie to Twilight Zone Movie, and it
was released theoretic theatrically that summer. So Carol Serling, which
is Rod's wife, I believe his widow, supplied commentary for
the two hour television special with brief glimpses and sneak
peaks at the motion picture. So that was back in
(33:19):
nineteen eighty three. In the summer, they rolled out the
you know, a mini series sort of with those three episodes.
That's all I have really is part of my trivia.
I'll let Jimbo go with his questions of observations. Is
overall ranking don't disappoint me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
This is a tricky one, okay, because while the premise
seems good, the execution is lacking. Okay, I mean it
starts off. Man, I'm depressed watching it. I mean, you
(34:03):
see the like I had trauma from when I used
to have to go to the nursing home, you know
what I mean, And just see them people wandering around
them halls and the stench and everything, and it's sad
because you know that they have families too, and you
just they're just there with nobody. You know, all these
other people here that are at this home, where's their families? Yeah,
(34:25):
maybe they don't have anybody. Maybe nobody wants to come
see them. So it starts pulling on your tuchstrings at
the beginning, and it doesn't let up the bond between
the two friends. Like you said, it's kind of like
me and you. You're kind of more serious and stern.
I'm more of like a ha ha ha, you know.
(34:45):
But it's sad to see them grow apart as they
got older. And we both know from just before we
reconnected after what twenty years twenty five years, It's not
that we were mad at each other. It's just we
both went Life happens, and we both went different ways.
Not different ways, but you know, you have your own
(35:07):
family to take care of and which I'm glad we
reconnected in the end. Because there's people from high school
and out of my class, I probably really only talked
to maybe one maybe, Yeah, And that's sad because when
you were high school, those were your friends, you know,
years of your life, you know, help build the.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Person you are.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And then you wonder where they're at today, and you
might see a Facebook post something like what happened?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So, now that I got off my soapbox about that,
it was, it was. It was well written. I see
a lot of Charlie and myself, like running through the sprinklers.
We used to do that all the time when I
was a kid. You know, do you ever pulled the
trick on your sister or whatever? Hey, drink out of
the hose? Have you been to hose you let go?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, yeah, I could teach kids if you thinks today.
But stuff like that. For my I think Charlie did
a really good job. The old man Charles, I think
he did a really good job, and.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
So did Ben. Ben did. He's going to be in
just a mean old man.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I mean I think he's lonely and he doesn't know
how to process it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean from Ben, let me just park here
for a second. Like from Ben's perspective, when you talk
about nursing homes and the nature of the people that
are there, most of their family has passed away and
they're like one of the well, I mean maybe their
children are there, are still there, like Charlie's son, but
(36:44):
they don't come to visit him. They just leave.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Well, what does it ever say?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Why?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay, Like Ben and Charlie's it's like they shouldn't even
be in there compared to them other people. Yeah, other
people are like comatos so much.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well, you know, I wonder what their actual ages of
the actors were, you know, in real life. I didn't
look that up. I wonder how they were when this
episode was, you know, released. But I think from Ben's perspective,
he's probably depressed many of his I'm just going out
on the limb. I'm gonna do a character right here.
(37:19):
But like his family's gone, he's there by himself. He
has no options, you know. The small amount of joy
that he has, if any is, I guess it's peace
and quiet for him because the kids get on his
nerves and the only solace that he has is his
old friend. Really, and now he feels like his old
(37:40):
friend is like maybe cracking up and losing his mind,
and he's wanting him to think rationally, and that makes
him look like a curmudgeonly old man. It does in
some extent, But I think that plays a lot into
you know what Ben's life experiences were and it is.
It's it's very it's it is sad. And if you
(38:04):
want to go and get a spark of joy, the
last place you would want to go as a nursing home.
But you got to remember those are still people. There's
there's still youth inside of them, but it's been so
long they forget, they forget what it was like. And yeah,
I'm rambling on, but I'll just go ahead and I'll
(38:24):
finish with my statement here and if you if you
have more, I didn't mean to do.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, So after taking everything I said into consideration, sorry
to cut you off so long and hard about this
where I'm gonna rate this and I think I'm gonna
finally land the plane at an eight five.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, So that's more than I thought you would go,
all right. So the last point to summarize, kind of
like as we're talking back and forth here, is that
we take things for granted. In our youth. We hear
older folks say, or maybe it was our grandparents. They
they'll start a sentence, you know when I was your age,
(39:01):
and immediately we just tune out and we go, yeah,
like our eyes glaze over. We go whatever, here we
go again. And you know, when you're young, you don't
realize that old people were you at that time, and
you just we take it for granted and we dismiss
it and we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, here we go
with another one of these when I was your age stories.
(39:21):
And as we get older, though, we understand, like our
perspective changes, right as you get older, and like, okay,
I understand what they were going through when I was
not ten years old, and I just like dismissed when
they try to tell me a story about, you know,
when they were ten years old. And that's kind of
the sad part in the episode is you know, they're
(39:45):
they're struggling with coming to grips with that, and one
person in the story wasn't going to let it go,
you know, Charlie was not going to let that youth go,
that youth was still inside him, where Ben had already
sort of conceded like all right, I'm just gonna I'm old.
My bones don't work, my lungs don't work, my heart
don't wear, and you know that's the contrast. But yet
(40:07):
they were remained long life, lifelong friends, which that only
added to the story anyway, I'm gonna give this one.
I'm right there with you. I'm at least an eight five.
It's it's not top tier, but it's just under I
thought it was a great story. And imagine though, if
it could really happen. Oh man, I mean mind when like, right, wow,
(40:30):
what if that really could happen? Obviously it can't, but
but we just got we gotta let it be a lesson.
You know, consider your days and make the most of
them the one that you have, because they are numbered
and you don't know when they're going to be done.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So with that, well, we finally got a good episode. Eric.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Next time we discussed. I think it's the one with
the guy buys the piano for his wife or whatever
and the piano makes them tell the truth or whatever. Yeah,
so if you want to follow us to charge to
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We're thinking of you. We know you've been in starting
school and everything. So so with that being said, I
(41:15):
think this episode is coming to a close.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
That's up and got.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Sunny Vale Rest a dying place for ancient people who
have forgotten the fragile magic of youth, A dying place
for those who have forgotten the childhood, maturity, and old
age are curiously intertwined and not separate. A dying place
for those who have grown too stiff in their thinking
to visit. The Twilights on
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.