0202: Unveiling the Mystery: Travis Knight and 'The Bingo Killer'

Hello, everyone!

I’m back with another exciting episode of The Uncomfortable Talk Show, and this one is sure to send chills down your spine! For Episode 2 of Season 2, I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with Travis Knight, the brilliant mind behind The Bingo Killer.In this gripping episode, we dive deep into the world of Travis’s debut novel—a thrilling blend of crime, paranormal, horror, and romance.

Travis takes us on a journey through the life of Patrolman Sam Riley, who’s thrust into the role of detective after catching a notorious burglar, only to find himself entangled in a dark game with a Zodiac-like serial killer. But what makes Riley’s story even more compelling? His sudden development of psychic powers, just in time to unravel the mysteries behind a series of chilling triple-homicides.As we discussed the inspiration behind The Bingo Killer, Travis shared his unique approach to blending multiple genres into one cohesive, fast-paced narrative. We talked about the dynamic between Riley and his partner, Detective Kate Barker, and the intense challenges they face as they race against time to catch a killer who always seems one step ahead.

But it’s not just about crime and the chase; it’s also the emotional and psychological depths Travis explores through his characters that keeps you sitting on the edge of your seats. We delve into the romantic tension between Riley and Barker and the personal stakes that make this story more than just a typical murder mystery.If you’re a fan of thrillers with a twist, you won’t want to miss this episode. Travis’s insights into the writing process and his ability to weave horror, romance, and the supernatural into a crime narrative will leave you eager to read The Bingo Killer.





As always, this season is about more than just interviews—it’s about empowering you as a writer, offering tips, inspiration, and encouragement to keep you moving forward in your creative journey. Whether you’re struggling with writer’s block or looking for ways to make your stories stand out, this episode has something for you.I invite you to tune in and get lost in the world of The Bingo Killer. It’s an episode filled with suspense, intrigue, and valuable takeaways for writers and readers alike.



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Keep unraveling the mysteries.

Susan Moore

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi there, I'm Susan Moore and welcome back to the
Uncomfortable Talk Show. This is the place where we dive
into the heart of stories, poetry, and everything in between,
because sometimes the conversations that matter the most are the
ones that make us a little uncomfortable. Whether you're a writer, poet,
or just someone with a passion for the written word,

(00:22):
I'm here to share insights, help you find your voice,
and explore the stories that make us who we are.
So grab a cup of coffee, settle in, and let's
talk together. We'll tackle the tough topics, celebrate creativity, and
build a community where every voice matters. This is the
Uncomfortable Talk Show. And I'm all right so just one

(00:46):
of the First of all, thank you Travis for joining
me for my very first inaugural interview person interviewee, so
welcome too much to the Uncomfortable Talk Show. Where and
I would you like to introduce yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And you know, yeah, yes I would. And thank you
for having me on your on your wonderful show. We
have tried to do this for a while, but things
have gotten in a way, and but you know that's okay,
because we we stuck it out and and and and
and tried to commit to do this, and we are here.

(01:27):
So I hope that you have less much fun as
as as I will talking about our ourselves and writing
and and other things other topics that may come up
about me. I am in my mid forties and I

(01:52):
live in Arkansas, so please do not hold that a
a against me. We are not as done as as
as some of us have portrayed ourselves to be, and
the rest of the world is portrayed us that's portrayed
us to be. We do have some of us do
have college degrees, some of us do have some of

(02:13):
us do wear shoes, you know, some of us don't.
Don't eat raccoon from the from the from the highways
and things like that. All right, And I am trying
to get on disability for my health conditions. I have

(02:34):
heart failure and TYPEO diabetes among other things. Yes, it
it it. It does suck to get older, but that's
just part of life, you know. You just gotta suck
it up and try to do the best you can
and hopefully nothing else happens too bad. You know. For

(02:57):
the time being, I am an aspiring author writer. It
is something that I kind of started doing about two
or three years ago because during the pandemic, and I

(03:20):
didn't have much else to do because I had just
gone trying to get on disability because of my health
conditions and all that. So I decided to write the
a crime fiction series called The Mingo Killer, and it
is currently at four books and will stay at four

(03:41):
books for the series. It is about a paranormal well
it has several different genre or subgenres and everything it's about.
It's like a detective named Sam Riley who who develops

(04:04):
these powers and he has to go on up on
hunt for a sivil killer, which takes him across the
country to Vegas and back. And that's really all that
I will say about that without giving too much away.

(04:25):
And I may have given too much away already with that,
but but that that, But that's a broad spoiler alert.
I guess you might say.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I think I remember you and me talking about it,
and you said that I forty is going to be
a big part of your book. So I thought that
was really kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, yeah, there's a story.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Because that state, it really stretches farther than people think,
so and so yeah, I really am atrigued by the
overall story idea that you have and also the travel
aspect because it seems like there's gonna be traveling there too,

(05:10):
so then they're curious about what else is gonna Yeah,
I want to see our main characters, you know, travel
a pro.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yes, you you had had said about travel, and these
are are the cities that they go to in the book,
are cities that I've been to, you know, So that's
why I know some somethings about those and you know,
some things I made up, some things I didn't make
up that are actually real. And but I've traveled on

(05:46):
I forty you know several times. You know, I've been
through Tennessee and Nashville, and I've been west to Oklahoma
City and and and and that route, the old Blue
sixty sixth route. Yeah, so so I've been there and
and and and I've been and I went to college
in Little Rocks to it, so that's my towns. I

(06:08):
know all about Little Rocks. So all right, So, you know,
I was was fortunate enough to be able to use
those that travel experiences in the book, you know that
that have that so much and uh, in my personal

(06:29):
experiences that I've had in the book too as part
of of the of their of their story, you know,
the the the top story m So hopefully that will
in in in enhance the overall appeal of the story.

(06:53):
I guess you might say.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, like maybe those little nuances of you know, little
odd adventures that they may go on, say like a
restaurant or a maybe even a creepy hotel possibly. You know,
I'm a huge horror movie fan, so like you know,
psycho kind of stuff, like these little side trips, thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And those two restaurants and hotels, creepy hotels. They those
are in in the book, they really are. But but
I can't really say, uh.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah too much. Yes, but.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, there are several aspects of the paranormal. Yeah, you
have ghosts, who have you have a few murderers, You
got some uh family feuding dynamics, uh you know, and

(07:58):
some romance. Yeah, you know, that's that's always always good.
I try to cater to a wide leadership with with
those things, you know, I'm trying to god to blend
in some some of the ghosties and some of the
crime crime thriller crowd and some of the romance. You know,

(08:24):
I am overall pleased with the way that all four stories,
well all all four books came out, and I am
impressed with with the things that I came up with
to include in the story, several question turns, all all

(08:48):
kinds of good stuff. And in this series, I see.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was gonna say that I haven't finished reading all
your book, but I have started it, and I appreciate
you so much for you know, let me get a
you know, a little sneak peak of that, you know,
and uh, but I love the way that in the
opening chapters. I'm not going to spoil anything for anybody

(09:14):
and or anything, but what I like about it is
you're drawing me into a world much it's it reminds
me a lot of Sam Raimi because you're coming in
with that, and I totally appreciate that, you know, like
you're not just starting with you know, the typical it

(09:35):
was a dark, stormy night kind of stuff. You're coming
in and you're slapping my face with some action, and
that's what really, you know, draws in a reader. So
I do like your writing style in that way very much.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So thank you, thank you so much for that. I
am a pre appreciate that so much. You know, I had,
uh to to start it out that way and you know,
just just go from there and I and and it
all and and all came together uh over over time.

(10:14):
I mean not you know, not not not not not
on on on day one or day two. But but
I had to really think about how I wanted to
structure it, yeah, and how how I set up Sam
and how I set up you know, for for for
the beginning the first uh few I don't know, seven

(10:36):
eight chapters. I had had to set them both up separately,
but set them up in the story as uh the
way I did, and I had had to think about it.
But I have since changed the story around from the

(10:57):
person that that that that that you've got so so
you you you you saw one version of it, but
I have since changed it. So but I think that's
for the better to to do that. And but the

(11:23):
every everything that changes around it is still in there,
but somewhere somewhere else. So I'll just say that, so
things are moved around.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So I mean four books, you know, you you mentioned
that you're finished with them and now you're in the
editing process, and that that is no easy feat to
write one let alone four. So I have to ask you,
you know what has kept you motivated over the last
few years.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Let's that is a good question. I think that the
story itself has has kept me kept calling my name.
I tried to walk away from it to write another book,
but I didn't get very far at all because this

(12:13):
these Legal Killer books kept calling my name and I
could not get a away from it because it just
kept my attention and helped me hostage. And so I
had to come back to it and finish it. And
I had to go because the first one several times

(12:37):
to get it all where I wanted to. I've tooken
stuff out, I've put stuff in new scenes in, taken
them and taking something out and put one in a
another book later on. And I think the finished product
is is pretty good. But I have I'll let I'll

(13:00):
tek something that I've recently done this the past couple
couple of weeks is I had uh started out writing
the the series in third person, and I I took
the first chapter of the first book and and copy

(13:21):
the paste it and and and wrote it in first person.
So so I liked that one better. So I decided
to rewrite the whole thing in first person, and I
am falling in love with with these characters the series
all over again. And it has allowed me to connect

(13:46):
more with with the characters Sam and Kate as well
as the killers in the villain and the villains and
and every everybody else on both sides, you know. So
so that that's falling in love with with this, with
this whole thing with these series again. That's what keeps

(14:06):
me motivated, because I I was super excited two two
to re rewrite the book to blackout book book two,
more more so than I was the first book. And
I think that I'll be mean, I'll be more excited
to do the third and then the fourth, you know,

(14:30):
And so I can can add stuff in and and
kind of kind of mold it and into into the
story that I want to to make it, you know,
by by changing from third to first person point of
view past tense, of course, but there are a lot

(14:51):
of good stuff and book two and uh books three
and four, So.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, and I can actually you know, it's kind of
like I think writers also go along a lot with music,
and like you know, a song, you can hear the
passion in the song, you know, like different people can
play it, but the one that's wrote it and it's
passionate about it is the one that you're probably going
to be drawn to the most. And I feel that

(15:26):
and I hear that passion in you when you're talking
about changing this new perspective of your story of you know,
your series, you know, from a first person the third person,
like you're saying, you're falling in love with this all
over again. So I'm sure that's going to come out,
you know, when I read this new version of the
third person, that's going to come out even more so

(15:49):
of how much you love your story, because a person
can tell if you know it's just being written in
a plan kind of a way, but like just hearing
the passion of your voice excites me to read the
story because I mean, you can care this much about it,
So you know the Ingal Killer is destined to be

(16:10):
good because I can feel that passion coming from me.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yes, yes, I have in in enjoyed writing these these characters,
the story, getting to know them, and you know, I am,
you know, trying to put off saying goodbye to them,

(16:36):
you know, for and maybe maybe maybe that's part of
the reason why that I've been trying to to to
do these rewrites and and changing so I can kind
of hold on to it maybe, you know, because this
this is my first first series, you know, my first real, real,
real real books and series, you know, so I'm kind
of maybe have time to kind of holding on just

(17:00):
a little bit, but I'll but I will eventually have to,
uh you know, let let it go, let them go
so I can do these these other stories that I've
gotten ideas for that I've started drafting, and and those
are really great, exciting I'm I'm looking looking forward to

(17:23):
writing those stories as well. But the character that that
I didn't think that I would would have a a
A a a a bond with them with the most
it is not the one that I thought I would Kate, Kate,
the female copy. I like her more and more so

(17:46):
than I do Sam. Not by much, but but I
I like, I like her more so than I than
I do Sam. And I didn't think that I will
that that would happen, but that that's how it happened.
I mean, it just happened naturally that I that I
tend to like her more than than I do uh Sam,

(18:10):
even even though Sam is is kind of based on myself,
you know, in in in terms of his his sense
of humor and how he how he is as a
cop and things like that. You know, he he is
a nerd, nerd like me. He's got all the legos
and and the Ghostbuster stuff, you know, things like that,

(18:33):
and it's much different. But I like her more more so,
just a just a little bit more than than Sam,
you know, right right right now. But but but in
books three and four that may change, you know, I

(18:55):
can't say for sure, but I'm trying to get get
them all added to it, and we've written and you know,
so I can can get a medicine as I can,
you know, right so.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, sometimes it does seem like we kind of
gravitate to someone that might be a little bit different
than us, you know, and maybe like them a little
bit more, just by a little bit, you know. But
uh uh, It's amazing how you can write a story
and they can. You already got an idea of what

(19:28):
you want it to be like, but they kind of
grow into their own in a way, they take a
life of their own. Yeah, and you know, of course,
you know, I was going to ask you about writer's block,
and like when you feel that creative stagnated, you know,
being stagnated. But sometimes it feels like the best way

(19:52):
to get over there from my perspective, but I'm gonna
get yours too, is that you just kind of let
them go in and you just get into the into
the vibe of writing, and your eritor is just kind
of like, we'll fix that problem for you sometimes when
you get that invested in your story, you know. But

(20:16):
other than that, well, what would you say? You're like,
how do you deal with it?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Like?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know, Uh, the the the block And as I say,
that is a a good thing to have. So seriously,
it is a good thing to have because you as
a writer need time away from your story to to

(20:45):
to be able to come back to it to continue.
Otherwise you are going to get burnt out so fast
that you mentioned may just postpone it for a week
a month and and just kind of do something else,
because it'll it'll follow the wayside and you you may
not have the desire to pick it back up to
start start again, you know. And but uh, the block

(21:11):
is is a good thing to have. I I think
that you can only get so far in your story
before you run out of juice, of of of gas. Right,
you have to you have to set up ways you

(21:32):
can can get more in the tank. So but but
but I I think that is the story trying to
catch up with with what you have done and and
at the same time, uh, preparing to reveal itself to

(21:55):
you for for for the next few few chapter or
a few chapters or or or whatever. I think that
that if a story knows that you are committed to
writing it, it will give you that that that juice
that gas to go a chapter, three, patters, five chapter whatever.

(22:18):
Help however, father, you can go be before you run
run out again, and you know that's that's okay. You
can You're not write the whole thing overnight. Great stories
are not written overnight. Uh. You can do a paragraph

(22:43):
a day or six pages a day, and as Stephen
King does, or one chapter. You know, however, however, often's
work that that's good for them. That works great. I
keep doing that. But through what I do to get
over about by the block, I go for a walk,
I do other things. I get on Twitter and and

(23:08):
and answer questions or you know, do other things besides
focusing on that on the book, make the story for
that time. You know, I've I've had several breaks and
and and you know, things like that throughout about this
whole series. Uh And maybe maybe that that's why it's

(23:31):
it's been so great, because I've had time off.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
To kind of regroup and and kind of think about
other things for a while and you know, kind of
let the things sit and marinate and and then go
back to the beginning of book one, two, three, four
and start again.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know, Yes, so I would I would say that
you're from your perspective, which is very very good. Instead
of thinking of it as a writer's block, maybe more
as a writer's break. Just take a break, embrace it
and yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, because you never know

(24:17):
what kind of inspiration you could get from, you know,
like one of your walks or you know, Cookie or
who you made meet on Twitter. Like I know that
it's kind of crazy on Twitter, but sometimes you can
find that Dominum the rough, Yeah, you know that you
can talk to and I'll mostly you know, like I

(24:39):
like those writing prompts that people come up with and
stuff like that. Even music can kind of fuel that creativity,
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, And I cannot tell you how many times I've
been in my computer just typing away, you know, in
the in the in the in the in the zone,
you know, as you as you might say, just trying
to write some good stuff, and for some reason, my
mind will have this new idea just out of the blue.

(25:11):
So I got to stop what I'm doing and and
go write that down. And you know, I'm glad, glad
those moments come. But but it's but it's just there's
the weirdest thing that I can be doing something something,
be so focused on this story that another idea comes

(25:32):
to me at at the strangest time, you know, driving cooking,
as you said, you know, they just view and and
and they grab your attention. I'm like, okay, thinks.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
But not now, you know, yes, yeah, I told you
about my uncle that I actually travel lot with, and
uh I told you about that that Sometimes I just
get kind of frustrated because if I got an idea,
I don't and then I'll end up losing it. And
then like, why don't you just get you some of

(26:06):
those little notepads And I'm not like actual tangible ones
with a pen and paper the way I can just
like jot down whatever it is I'm thinking about real quick,
because I can't tell you how many ideas I may
have lost over my life, tom from just not any
write it down so fast.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, that's what I do. I have a notebook that
I write them down with. I put them in my keynotes,
tap on my phone. I email those prompts to myself
with story ideas to myself so I don't lose them.
So they're in several places, you know, so that I
don't forget them, because I tend to to to forget

(26:48):
things more so nowadays. But those ideas, I get them
in several places, you know, so I don't lose them.
And some of them, you know that they're okay. Some
of them are on my to to to write list,
you know, as soon as I get to them, because

(27:10):
I've got I've got three more, three stories to write
at after the series. I got one fantasy, uh, and
that is about a disabled man based on myself. It's
just somewhat bio graphical, uh called the Good, Good Good

(27:41):
Fidget The Fidget, And that is a story that I
that comes from a short story that I wrote several
years ago. And when when of them, I had a
place up in Kansas and in Western Kansas, out in
the middle of nowhere, And but I got a and
an a on that paper that that that story, and

(28:07):
so it stayed with me all these years and and
I and I got it, got it out out of
my archives and tried to try to redo it, and
I added some things, took some things out, and but
I'm going to work on that one next. It is
the story of of Jinks to the Fidget. He is

(28:31):
a mythical creature that comes to our world and asks
the man Uh to come to his world to help
save it. And he brings the man a two part
miss miss mess message UH from his childhood and and

(28:53):
before he turns thirty and forty something like that. I
haven't really really got the details worked out so far yet,
but that that's that's that's the general premise of permission
of that visit is a a mystical creature coming to
our world and trying to learn about a world and

(29:14):
getting Demand's help to come back to his to help
save Jax's world. So that's basically it.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
So that sounds a really cool story. Like whenever you
get ready to do a story like that, like with
a big goal killer with a fidget and everything. Like
what would you say your writing process is, like, do
you have like a routine or some kind of a
schedule that you like to keep on.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I yes, I do. I get a get a bunch
of bunch of uh que cards and no cards. You know.
I just write out you know, seene one, chapter one,
and things like that, different different different places and and

(30:04):
and ideas that I want to uh go some of
them say, some of them do nothing make make make
the final cut. Some of them do, some of them don't.
So I I just put those in order, and I

(30:25):
plant plot and plan is just freestyle riding just wherever
it goes take you. I let my tell my characters,
this is what's what's got to happen. Get us there.
I let let them off off off the off the
off the leash and say go to work. And and

(30:48):
they and they and they do they go, they take
me to where we got to go, you know. So
so that that's a lot and and I, uh let's
let's let them do most of the talking, uh to
make them happy so they don't go and strike and
and and block them. You know.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Sometimes they'll do that.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, they will, they will uff and touff and and
blow and blow the whole house down really so like
so that's my process is is I as I plan
fifty percent and the other fifty percent has just let

(31:28):
them just let them go, just reestyll right, whatever happens
happens is let it go, if if if it if
it doesn't jive, and take it out and start over again.
So that's basically it's basically it's I so I have
have a you know, I'll write out you know, they're

(31:50):
different dialogue lines and ideas and you know, the question
I asked myself a lot is what what if? What
if there happened? What if that? What if she says this?
And things like that. You know that what what if?
Is the biggest question that I asked when when, uh

(32:11):
do when doing these stories? Yeah, you know, what what
what if? What if? God? Do? You know?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I think like read somewhere that that's a lot of
like what improv kind of is like comedy and stuff
like what if? And uh because I've been kind of
playing around with writing some comedy sketches and stuff like
I told you about, and I've got like four shows
for me and my brother to do, and you know,

(32:45):
ask that question a lot what if you know? It
is fun, you know to build those worlds like that
and ask those questions, and it does really kind of
job with what you're saying, because like I like to
build a world, figure out who's gonna be in this world,
and then you know, I like you just let them

(33:06):
run wild, Like what the hell are you gonna do?
I do you like to put your characters into really
absurd situations just to see what they're gonna do, because
there's like this point that it comes into your story
where Okay, I'm gonna make it as hard only as
possible because obviously started taking on the life of your own.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
So let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yes, yes, I do. I told myself that that that
I would kind of balance out things for them. I
would put my characters through hell and but they would
also get the some we we we rewards as well,

(33:57):
and we rewards and the the we rewards that I
give Kate and Sam throughout this whole thing. They are
on par with with what they have gone through. You know.

(34:18):
It is a a good, good balance the between the
hell and and the and the and the good stuff
that comes to them, you know, the improv thing that
is good too for jokes, to keep things humorous. Because

(34:39):
I think for for for Sam and Kate, I had
no choice but to compare them to uh, you know,
raising Muchil from Leaf the weapon or actual Foley and
and and and his guys, you know, and other other

(35:02):
other top characters. And what what what what? And what
is their dynamic? What is the relationship like do they
jokes with each other? Are they serious or or things
like that? So, I you know, I hadn't. I didn't
have an idea of how they're working, way relationship would be.
It just came out as it was, and I said,

(35:23):
that's great, roll with it and see where this goes,
right and right and uh, and I think the way
that the family dynamic between him and his parents and
Kate and and his parents, it is so wonderful how

(35:44):
it came out. I didn't didn't expect it to come
out that way, but I am. I like it. I
really like it. It's perfect for the story. And and
Sam bless his heart. Uh that that's that's all say
about that. But but but they're dynamic, that the ship

(36:04):
is wonderful. I'll i'll, I'll say that, but but it
but it but now Tate and her parents. That's a
different story for a reason. And and and that's really
really all I can say with with it without giving
you too much away from books three and four. So

(36:26):
that's that's all I say about that. But yeah, the
the improv thing is is really helpful. And do not
under estimate the value of uh improv in in stories,
you know, because it that sweetness is like like finding

(36:48):
a diamond the rough in itself, you know. Same with foreshadowing,
lots of foreshadowing throughout us this whole this whole series.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
But I can't think much about it because there's some
really good foreshadowing going on in in this series on
both sides, So you know, that's really But I like
where it's going, I really do. But the good thing
is is that I'm about to finish book two, so

(37:27):
I'm going into books three and four so I can
I can mold the plot more and the character's perspective
more and improve the plots and twists from from from
from from the ideas that I've gotten much by thinking
about about getting to those.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
So are you going to be doing all four of
these books in third personnel?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I am going to be doing them all in uh
in uh first person, first person, first person. And I
think I think some of some of the part four,
some of some in book four is all already already
already in the first person. So I so, I mean,

(38:18):
I'm gonna have to do do that much work for
a book four, But and I'm so going to you know,
go through with a fine tooth, fine tooth comb to
get that done. Yeah, but I am so looking looking
forward to doing books three and four. You know, the

(38:39):
book one is Migal Killer, Book two is Postcards, Books
three is Blackout, Book four is uh look Lucky seven,
Lucky seven. Uh. So that that is, uh, the the
the sequence for the books is in the title. That's

(38:59):
the first thing I came up with, what's the title
for his book? And I and I and I based
the book around the title, believe it or not. Yeah,
So so you can can can kind of kind of
hint that what the book maybe may include, just just

(39:20):
by by by the title of the story, you know, Postcards, Blackout,
Lucky seven.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
So yeah, that does seem to kind of help I
do the same thing. Like you know, me and you
were talking about what the story I was writing about,
and it's kind of based on that. So I get
what you're saying totally. You know, it kind of helps

(39:47):
the overall theme of what you're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yes, yes, it does.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
And give you that direction that you need to stay
you know, on point of what you're trying to get A.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Ross mm hmm yeah, definitely. Wow.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I got to ask you, how much discipline do you
think is required to be successful if you're an independent author.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I think that that you that you have to stay
on top of your of your game, you know, trying
to promote your promote your stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
The way I have done it is I have written
these four books and and just recently started to started
to send out uh qu query letters to agents and
publishers and all that. So so I have have finished
the books. So all I get I have to come

(40:49):
back back and and edit them. We we we we
write them that sort of thing. But but but they
all done so but during that time I have taken
to Twitter. I have promoted them that way, while at
the same time time to finish them, you know, edit them,

(41:10):
we rewrite them that sort of thing. At the same
time to build up that suspense, that tension outside of
the story, you know, telling people about it, you know,
answering questions and kind of to promote it that way
so that I'm a a a a head of the
game so to speak, you know, right, So that that's

(41:34):
worked out pretty good for me. But by not trying
to focus on querying and trying to talk to this
person about the book, because I have been busy writing
the books and editing and rewriting all that stuff, and
from and trying to do my own promotion through Twitter
and all that stuff. So so that that that that's

(41:55):
a good strategy is to not worry that quitter, Just
write equily, Just write the books and get them all
done and then query your letters while going on to
a different project. You know. But yeah, you have to
stay on top of the top of your your your

(42:18):
your book babies, as I say to uh, to get
them out there, because you you don't you don't have
that that extra uh strength behind you from you know,
as as the big five publishers that they're they're marketing
campaigns are much better than the one than a one
man person show. Yeah, that you can do is just

(42:40):
take the Twitter and you know and pro fro from
up the hell out of your book to anyone that
will listen, you know, And and you have to do
that across so many platforms. You you know, you have
you have the big five publishers, well, you have the
big five apps. You have Facebook, you have Twitter, Instagram,

(43:04):
TikTok and maybe snamptet and I guess I don't know,
maybe some others do you have to do to do
the big five apps for to promote your book as well? Yeah,
YouTube really seems like the king right now.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I mean, yeah, yeah, and uh, maybe Facebook. But the
thing I don't like about Facebook as it gets far
too political there. So you have to kind of go
in a little bit on the incognito side and just
try to join private groups because there's way too many

(43:45):
nosy folks.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Oh my god, tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
That you don't want to be nosing around in your business,
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And and that that's why that I that I have
kept my my writing things off of Facebook. I get
my my my family there and I don't know if
they're asking me a million questions about it, but but
I will say something when when it's time to do
that last thing on Twitter, mostly because because they're not

(44:17):
not on Twitter, so Thank God for that.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
That's so I am there.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I can can try to try to have some sanity
and try to keep what piece of my my personality
and sale sanity over there of of of of all places, Twitter, yeah,
as as opposed to Facebook or Instagram or TikTok. I

(44:45):
I don't even know what what what what that really is.
I guess it's like a video thing. I'm not as
much as I want, but that that TikTok, that's that's
the what's the weapon that you got to go to
get your book noticed more so than any other app
or platform or whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, it's mostly like this new generation and totally not right,
you know, totally not dissing them. They are what they are. Yeah,
every generation has something. Yeah, and this generation is very
very visual and and I'm not saying this is a slight,
but they do have kind of a short attention span.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So I mean you can really grab that better with
the video and like a quick, straight to the point,
no beating around the bush kind of shit, you know
what I mean, Which is understandable because I mean there's
like so much stuff now going on, especially since you know,
the pandemic hit. So I mean people have such short

(45:48):
attention spans anyway, so you're just gonna have to grab
their attention pretty quickly just to you know, hey, pay attention,
something really cool over here. You want to look at it,
you know, and then eventually you get to bring them
to the table with you know, all the all verbs,

(46:09):
you know, the the main courses and stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, there's so many things that flicker and beam and blinking,
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
So so like, I.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Think that's why TikTok is so big right now, because
I did some research on him, Like you have to
get their attention in like ten seconds or some shit,
and I'm like, wow, yeah, but YouTube YouTube is trying
to do like shorts and with that same kind of idea.

(46:47):
But yeah, it's I think Facebook is more for people
that like to bitch about the presidency.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Or we're not going to get it.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
We're not going to get into that. It's too much
of a damn headache. Yes, angry orange cheeto man.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
But I will say in lighter note recently that like,
I like that you are into this genre anyway, with
the Bingo Killer and normal and your love for Ghostbusters.
And I admit that I've been putting off watching Afterlife,

(47:40):
but I've watched some clips in the trailer because Ghostbusters
is very kind of emotional attachment in my heart because.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Like I grew up with that, you know, and and.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I did see the Uh I don't want to this
is a spoiler alert, so just like fast forward it
ten seconds, I guess or whatever. But the part at
the end with.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Egon, yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Like I did see that clip and I choked up.
And I haven't even watched the whole study yet, but
I started getting very teary odds because.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
We that that was that was such a a a
masterpiece of masterpiece of movement in the in the in
the in the Ghostbusters world, the Ghostbuster universe, that that

(48:42):
that that that they had to do it that way
for Harold. There there was no other way to to uh,
to send him off properly with respect and love and
and my goodness that ye that you know, I don't
get any most as much as I used to, but

(49:02):
that one really really hit hard. I mean it was
it was.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And then after that, after the emotional part, Bateman comes
in with that line and you're like sitting there with
like tears coming out of your eyes. And then Bateman says,
he says what he says, I like, you know, like
why can't we just be like little kids again with
you know, with our Ghostbusters sweaters on and ship?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah? I will all always be a Ghostbusters fan to
a day I die. I grew up on that. I
have all kinds of Ghostbusters memorability. I got the Lego Firehouse,
I got the poton pack, I got cups and toys.

(49:54):
I've got all that stuff, and I don't care who
knows it. I love Ghostbuster. There's gear and toys and
shirts and all that stuff. I want it all, okay,
and and and the Ghostbusters has been a big part
of part of my childhood and growing up and my

(50:16):
my love for the paranormal and the ghosts and and
all things spooky and weird and strange. And you know,
uh me uh being so close to a cemetery, you know,
you you would, you would you would you would think
that that I would that I would see ghosts you know,

(50:37):
more often being so close to to to the cemetery.
But no, I have not. My nieces and nephews, I'm
not have not said anything about ghost children or everything
like that, you know, from a runner because they go
to go there with with with with with with me

(50:58):
to walk around every now and then, and and they
haven't seen any any ghosts or anything like that. So
I mean, it's not it's it's not not that prevalent
prevalent as one might think being so close to a cemetery.
I mean, maybe the ghosts have gone somewhere else. I
don't know. I haven't seen it, seen anything next door.

(51:23):
But but I have had a perormal in in encounters
throughout my throughout my for the past couple of years,
during ghost hunts and stuff, you know, Seattle on the
ground and the Bucklosa Sanatorium here here here in Arkansas

(51:45):
and in other places. But a side note from from
our conversation, but there are several other places that I
want to go to to to ghosts hunts. I want
to go to New Orleans. I want to go to
Gaysburg and the Stemley Hotel and uh the wind chest

(52:07):
Chester House and in the Whaley House in down in California.
I live to do some Christian hotel in Bartel.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Have you ever watched The Death Falls?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yes, Deaths Uh the last episode, like I saw it
on IVY Discovery Channel, and the last episode they did
was on the Octagon Hall in Franklin, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
That's where I used to live exactly. I live like
less than three miles from it, and the god did
not if god that owns it now wasn't the owner
of it when I lived there. But now that he's
moved in, apparently he's decided to start renovating. What's the
one thing you don't want to start doing a haunted

(53:00):
place has renovated, you know, and messed with ship, because
then you're gonna start waking things up and making things
go weird. But uh, I was like, I think I
moved I moved away from there in August of twenty sixteen.
So this new activity and these little freaky things they've

(53:22):
had going on there that's started since I moved away,
I'm like, oh, yeah, now you're gonna start doing something fun.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
But but me and my brother we also did a
uh we did a a kind of a parody of
the Dead Files called the Dead Flaws, and it's all
out of love.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I think it's you know fine.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You know, like, but I love watching those ghost Hunter
type things and you.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Know, seeing that like it.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's something about that that just it's it really like
gets your attention.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And every time they start yelling at the every time
they start yelling at the ghost or whatever, like in
a not in the Dead Files, but in uh like
ghost adventures and stuff, they start yelling at them like y'all,
do you know that they're gonna like scratch you for
this ship?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Right? Yeah, that that's that's that's not how they how
they do how they're supposed to do it.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
But you know, but he quick pissing them off.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, there they are. Yeah, they're they're they're not one
trick trick ponies, you know. So you got from with
with with with respect and you know, and be kind

(54:58):
to them because you're you're in their house and and
you have to have to be nice to them. And
but but I but I have not seen one with
with my my own eyes. I've I've just taken some
photos you know, here and there, different places, and and

(55:18):
I I haven't seen seen some some some things in
these photos I've probably got about I don't know, six
or seven different photos that that that are questionable that
I've seen things that I don't can't explain, you know,
So I I don't know what they were, but but

(55:39):
they're they're they're they're not they're they're not like the
tricks or anything like that. There there's something else there
that I can't explain, and and and and there there's
one for Seattle underground picture that I took that I've
taken and you can clearly see something be be behind

(56:02):
this post, this post, trying kind of kind of peek
out of it. Yeah, and you and you and you
can send it and you can see it very clearly,
but you got to look for it. So I do
not notice that that picture, well, that that spirit in
that picture until about two or three years ago. Uh.

(56:28):
But but I had this whole time and and didn't
even even see it, you know that that's that's that's
that's that's that's the weird thing about it is it
is that I didn't even see it, you know, for
for so long.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
You know, I'd like to say that photo you've got it, like, yes,
for sure, Yeah, that's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yes, I will. I will send you those photos, uh
sometimes shortly and and so you can see them, so
you can see what I'm what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, that's really cool. What's the like with all these
uh interests naturally that you have. I've got to ask,
because you know, paranormal has been a big deal for
quite a few decades now, in movies, books, you know,
all sorts of entertainment kind of things like that. I

(57:29):
just wonder, like, what, without spoiling anything of your book,
you know, your series, The Dingo Killer, what, what are
you going to bring unique to it? I'm sure you
will bring something unique.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yes, I will. I have. Well, let me just say
this the the inspiration guidance maybe for the paranormal in
this uh, the the these these these books are based

(58:13):
loosely on Beetlejuice somewhat and some some other other films.
There are, uh there is is there? There is one
particular spirit ghost in this series that that I AH

(58:42):
really really liked, and I felt guilty about about this character,
and but I wrote her so beautifully. I think that

(59:05):
that I did right by her. You know that I
made things as peaceful for her as I could h
and I well, her her story in the story is

(59:26):
is as as good as I couldn't couldn't couldn't couldn't
make it, you know, right, But but then again, there
there's one one spirit that is quite the opposite, you know,
And that's really all that I can say with without

(59:50):
giving too much away. But but I want wanted to
to have a good blend of different personalities. You know,
maybe maybe they're different from when they were alive, maybe
they're the same. You'll always have to read the book
to see. But I think, but I think that the

(01:00:13):
readers will will like these spirit characters. I I hope so.
But I treated them like like like like they were
a main character so to speak, and given and told
their story in the story as well, you know, so

(01:00:34):
it was it was kind of kind of nice to
be able to to explore their stories, back story and
what happens to them, you know, like character, the development
you know, from page one to the very end and

(01:00:54):
all of them. So well, that is so I think
the readers of this series, as as soon as he
comes out, I'm kind of get as soon as I can.
I think that that they will be uh surprised at

(01:01:15):
the characters, and I think they they'll like them very much.
You know, it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Sounds like you're giving them their own personality and you're
not just throwing your characters even if they're not necessarily
a main character or anything, but you're given you're giving
them a personality of their own and more of a backstory,
not just something to throw away and just be like,

(01:01:42):
you know, you know, kind of bring that humanity to
you know, the spirits and kind of to care about them,
which is very very good and what I really like
to look for because you know, and I'll and most
of the shows or movies or stories that you read

(01:02:03):
and watch, it's sometimes you find, you know that these
little side characters are just as interesting as the main
ones are. That makes the whole world that you're building
really grow that, you know, everybody is a person in
this story.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah. Yeah, they all have had their part to play,
you know, a small a big role, small role, you know,
but but they're all just as import port port important
as the mix character. And uh yeah, I you know,

(01:02:43):
and then some not so much you know, to to
to that bun down, bounce things out twin characters. Some
some may may may not be that important, you know,
that's just how it goes. And some are important and
some are are the main characters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Uh. I tried to uh, you know, trying to do
some thinking about how I wanted each character to their
personality and there their uh and and and and have

(01:03:27):
a we we we we act to one another. You
know their relationships. You know Sam's parents and Kate's parents,
and Sam and Kate themselves, you know, and you know
the the chief of police and and Kate and Sam
and Kate. You know that there's different dynamics that you
have to juggle throughout the story, you know, and and

(01:03:52):
new characters come along, and and and and you had
to factor that in and uh and and and try
to bring a plot twist to them. Yeah, things like that.
But I I find it very challenging, and I love
that challenge to be able to say, Okay, you got

(01:04:15):
this guy, and where do you take him? What does
he do? And some of some ideas come quickly. Some
ideas you have to wait, wait till the very last
second to be able to write that right what I'm
in you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, but those challenges also help you grow as a writer.
And even things that she wrote last year, you can
go back and think of ways that you can make
it better, you know, Like I mean, even you said

(01:04:52):
this morning, like I was, the music was very chatty
to me. And I was writing all those poems this
morning on Twitter, and you know, even you made the
comment that I was getting better every time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
And yeah, that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Like you know, all of us who write stories, and
you know, whether they be short little poems or big
novels or whatever. Every you have to grow. And in
order to grow, you have to write m But you
also think push it either or force it. So it's

(01:05:30):
like the nice little sweet spot that you got to find,
but where you're not totally neglecting it. But don't try
and push it either, yea, because then it'll just suck ass.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
You know, yes, And I will, I will, I will
say this and this about at about not not forcing it.
I don't know what happened, but I but I got lucky,
I guess because I kept going from the first chapter
of book one, The Migal Killer, all the way to

(01:06:08):
like the very last chapter of book four, Look Lucky seven,
I kept going, I there, things just just just poured
out of me. I mean, just one one long set up,
you know, like uh, setting up a dumb dominoes, you know,

(01:06:29):
one way together, right, And but until the very last
two or three chapters from the last book, I ran
out of gas. I I just broke down right there,
right there on that highway, and I don't know what happened.

(01:06:50):
I I just ran out of gas. And and it
took me a good month to be able to write
that that last small bit, you know, that that that
was that was, that was the ending. But I didn't
know where to go. So I just I just I
ran out of gas. And you know, but but but

(01:07:13):
I was fortunate enough to get that far so so
far course to the end, but then I came to
to that cliff and and just went ran out of
out of gas. You know. I I don't know what
happened because it because it's weird because as I had
made it that far, you know, and wrote all this

(01:07:34):
good stuff, you no, almost four books, but then that
last bit just died right there along the side of
the road. So I had to wait a month to
to to be able to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
It, and I got a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Missed a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Maybe possibly I could be wrong, probably am but uh
maybe it's because you knew it was coming to an end. Yeah,
and you and you know, it's really really hard to
say goodbye, you know, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Know you do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I mean, that's kind of what I'm thinking happened there,
you know. And yeah, because it really sounds like you've
grown attached to all the characters in this world that
you've created.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yes, yes, I have. And yeah, I I I had
said that earlier because because I'm doing doing these we
we we rewrite and edits again, you know, from the
first question. So I'm trying to May maybe maybe that's
also I'm trying to hold on and trying to you know,

(01:08:51):
trying to pull pull, trying to put out the best
works that I can, you know. And yeah, maybe maybe
maybe I am trying to to uh keep keep them,
keep them, you know, fun center, you know, trying to
keep them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Keep them close to me sometimes, you know, and in
either our stories or in our everyday walking life, sometimes
when you have to say goodbye to something or someone,
a good thing to do is to remember the good things.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
So yeah, what Eban.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Said, like, are there any memorable happy moments from this
entire writing journey of these four books that come to mind,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
And make you happy about?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yes, there is being able to to write them as
as as as as fast as I do, as quick
as I did the way I do. Good. I that

(01:10:04):
that that was good. That was good. And I think
that I needed to write these four books so that
I for my practice for the growth, for the to
see how how it's done, to see how I would
do it, so that I can be be better prepared
to write future stories the Fidgit and and Gumball and

(01:10:29):
and the one the sci fi fan sci fi fantasy
store that I'm got got in mind, so that I
can finish those books in the the same manner time
frame that I did the Middle Killer series. Because I know,

(01:10:50):
I know what what I like and what what works
for me and how I do it and my ideas
and things like that. So I I think that the
main thing is the practice two to be able to
write these four books so I can write write even

(01:11:16):
better books in the future. So that's that that would
be my My answer to that question is the experience,
you know, and the timing is the factor. Maybe I
wasn't ready to write the Pidget or Moon or a
Gunball just yet, you know. It is it is funny

(01:11:40):
how how how how that worked out, you know, But
I'm but I'm glad that it did because these these
four the books in the series are are amazing that
they really are, and I I think that people are
going to enjoy them. I I hope that they take

(01:12:01):
you take the leader on a roll roller coaster adventure ride.
Uh so yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
And would you say that for other people out there
that you know may listen to this, that are independent
and you know what a lonely job that can be.
But just to embrace this process and two figure out
your own style like you did with these books, and

(01:12:31):
finding the way that you do things, because the way
Travis Knight might do it is going to be different
than Stephen King. But you're not Stephen King and he's
not you. So and what you say like for new
people that are wanting to be independent authors like this,
just to embrace who you are and just not worry

(01:12:53):
about what George R. R. Martin's ben doing, who will
probably never finish the damn serious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
But right, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Would see up really badly. Yeah, I'm getting concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, the the the the the thing about the mean,
the mean, your yourself and saying true to yourself while
while while writing these well your your stories, you know,

(01:13:39):
one book, two books, SI series or whatever, stand alone books,
whatever the case is, is that the one thing that
I found is that I tried to well with with
with Sam and Kate. Mostly I tried to make them
as real and all authentic as I could so that

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leaders can uh connect with them, we relate to them
and and by sinising relate to me. And it's through
through my writing, you know, the voice and all that stuff.
So I I think that readers are trying to find
that connection. They're looking for that connection with Stephen King,

(01:14:29):
with Michael Connelly, with Cornwell Partrician Cornwell and and these
other authors. But yes, you make a good point about
we are not them and they are not us. That
is true, and we and we will never be them.
And that's okay. I you know, as much as I

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admire Stephen King and Michael Connolly and John Grisham, you know,
my my three three good ones and Dan Brown, I
I hope to be that good one day. But but
if I don't do, that's okay because they have mastered
their crafts. You know, Dan Brown doesn't have too many
books as Stephen King, but that's okay. But I do

(01:15:20):
read their books and and I've read you know of
course that I've read mine several times. But I but
there are a few Stephen King books that I that
I have read and and compared to mine the same
for Michael Connolly as well, and John Grisham's and I

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have compared them to mine, and and I have incorporated
some things from all three of the air books. Sam
King has Horror, Michael Connolly has count Some Crime Injustice,
and John Grisham has the courtroom, legal theories in there,
dramas in there. So I have incorporated some of each

(01:16:06):
of theirs into this story, you know, because because it
follows the criminal justice system throughout from from the crime
to the arrest to all the way through the of
the sentencing and all that stuff, all the way through
the whole process. So but but I'm sure that people
could tell that I have my degree in criminal justice,

(01:16:27):
so that that helps me to make it make the
books as authentic as it could be, you know, as
far as crime and police dramas, police procedurals and things
like that. So so that helped me out as well.
So hopefully people can connect to my type of stories

(01:16:49):
and type of writing and legal feelers and horror and
paranormal and romance and all of of the of these
different blends into one series, you know. So I'm very
fortunate to be able to give gived leaders a taste

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of of of of all of those things you know,
to make make it, make it much more exciting and interesting.
I mean, because if if if it didn't have have
the romance factor in it, then then it wouldn't be
as exciting, or or if it didn't have the paranormal aspect,
I probably would would would not have written it, you know,
because because I think that that is an an interesting premise,

(01:17:35):
exciting premise, because you don't you don't see to me,
it's like it's like a cops and and and doing
doing the thing and trying to solve crimes as much
maybe maybe maybe then that's a taboo and in the
writing world, I don't know. I don't really care because
that was I've already done it. So I'm I'm not.

(01:17:56):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I'm not gonna change anything now I've gotten so far. Yeah,
because I think that that would we'll be doing a
very sad in just justice to not only send but
to the entire story. And so yeah, I mean, trying

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to connect and connect with with the author the readers
that that that's very important and I think that's what
they're looking for the most, is that that bond that
connects this connection, uh with with with with the readers.
And you know that's a special thing and and and

(01:18:40):
so so do not forget that, I said to the
independent and independent authors, do not forget the connection that
you're trying to make with with with with the readers.
Not everybody is going to like your story, true, that's okay.
You you do have, you have your audience, you do.
You just have to give them what you what you

(01:19:02):
want to give them, and be comfortable giving that and
be certain and trust your process and trust your judgment
to give them what you have to give them. You know,
you just have to you know, Okay, I've done all.
I can send it out to the world Amazon or

(01:19:27):
whatever and just go from there and just start on
your next story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
And I think that you have really hit the nail
on the head because you do want other people to
read it to enjoy it. But it really sounds like
to me that you hit the that sweet spot where
you're writing something because it excites you, it makes you happy,
and it did make you happy, and I mean you

(01:19:54):
can hear it in your voice, how much. You love
this world that you've made and this story that you've made,
and that's where the heart of this the bingo killer
is coming from. It's coming straight from you, from your
enjoyment of it. So the ones that are meant to

(01:20:14):
enjoy your story are going to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
But you know, but at the end of the day,
you've made.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yourself happy because you've done this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, this monumental thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I mean, four books has nothing to scoff hit, you know,
and that is really amazing that you've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
So, and I think that a lot of times us
as independent artist, whether you're doing music or writing a
story or whatever it is, sometimes we can get off
the track a little bit and off focus of like

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who else is going to enjoy this? And then we're
forgetting that, Hey, you need to enjoy this, you know,
because it's coming from you. If if you don't enjoy,
people are going to see that and they're gonna be
able to feel that. So if you're not even enjoying it,
why the hell should they?

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Exactly exactly that that is that is a very good
and valid solid point and I will I will say this, Uh,
your your audience, your we read readers. They're not stupid,
so don't pretend that they are. Don't pretend that that
that that that that that that that you can lead

(01:21:33):
them on and just put something out there, just put
them out there. No, they're not stupid that they they
will see through your facade very quickly, so exactly you know, yeah, yeah,
to pegedback on what you said, said thing about that,

(01:21:58):
I know, uh this about myself that there are so
many so little shows that I watch and and and
and and have an interest in. It is very hard
to get me to to like something. You know that
that I do know about myself and I I don't

(01:22:22):
watch very much series or TV or anything like that.
But but but I do know what I like, and
I watch what I like. So to to get me
myself to get myself interested in this story, to keep
me going, I I had to, uh to focus. I

(01:22:44):
had to let my imagination and creativity come oot to
play if if if if that makes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Sense, absolutely because so so that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I could have that keep that passion, and have that
passion and keep that passion going as long as I
did up until until until the very end of of
of book four.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
When when when?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
When?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
When I when I when I fell off, you know,
I kind of just kind of stopped right there. But
that passion kept me going for for that long, you know,
for books, you know, almost so so if I like it,
and and and and and and have had that passion

(01:23:34):
for to keep going because I genuinely cared about the characters,
I cared about the story. I wanted to see what happened.
I wanted to be challenged. I wanted to let my
creativity come out to play and imagination, you know, dare
to ask what if you know here and there throughout
the whole story. All these things, Uh, that's what kept

(01:23:57):
me kept me going. So but I am am pleased
with how things turned out, and I do not say
that lightly. But I will say again that I am
re writing the last two books, well the whole series,

(01:24:20):
but I've got two, three and four to go, so
I can mold them and then something even even more grand,
even more beautiful, even more complicated and complex and all
of the of the of these different things that I
want to be while I can, because because I think

(01:24:40):
that after I finished rewriting, editing, before I am done,
I will put these away and start off something new
and query them or get them ready to be to
be published on Amazon and just kind of be doing them.

(01:25:02):
Done with this series so I can go on to
the Fidget and Gumball, you know, other other stories.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yeah, work on your other projects, because you know, you
got to keep that passion going for telling stories. And
you know, I think, I think that storytelling is something
that we've been able to do as humanity ever since
the moment always could start communicating.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
With one another, you know, like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
One way that we want to connect with each other,
you know, by telling our stories, no matter what they are,
you know, yeah, because I think at the end of
the day, you know, as humans, we all just want
to connect with one another and find something beautiful in
this world, especially days with how crazy the world's gotten

(01:26:03):
in just the last four and a half years now,
you know, And yeah, we need more people to tell stories.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
And mm hmm, yes, who do Uh maybe maybe that
that art form is so slowly going on white disappearing disappearing,
I hope not, but but we we have to keep
doing what we're doing to tell our stories. I mean,

(01:26:31):
uh yeah, just like I said that, there there are
so many important stories out there that that need to
be told, you know, from from authors that that do
not have agents or don't know what to do. And
there is so much good talent out there not being

(01:26:52):
signed yet their books are are are are are in
in limbo, so to speak. Yeah, they're just out there waiting,
and uh and they they they they they they can't
afford the pay to publish them. And and they and

(01:27:13):
the and the and they you know, and so but yeah,
I mean, there's so much good talent out there that
I wish I had my own publisher coming because I
would take these things to be some of these books
that I see out there and in a you know,
in a heartbeat out there, you know, and to to

(01:27:39):
to to give those and the authors a chance. You
know it. It may not be so much about what
I like, but what what the readers want, you know.
That would that would be that would be my A
approach to polishing is you know, just trying to get

(01:28:06):
to get the good stuff out there, stuff that that
that that has fallen by the wayside, that that is
out there in in uh uh limp in Limbo. We've
come to speak, you know absolutely, you know, it is
it is sad to see that that this that these
untalented that these talented writers who have these good books

(01:28:31):
that they're they're they're not being they're not on on
the bonds and nomb of bookshelves, books, a million bookshelves.
You know, it's it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of people out there that
never get heard, and then it kind of starts becoming
a circle that they don't think they're good enough and
it's not that they are, you know, they're good enough
with somebody out there, and somebody will like them. So

(01:29:05):
the problem is is that everybody is screaming into the
ether right now and they're just not being heard. And
you know, I just it really breaks my heart when
people don't get It's kind of like whenever you're in
a group of people and you've got a really damn

(01:29:27):
good point to make, you know, and you're like in
this room, you know what I'm saying, and everybody is talking, talking, talking,
and then you get an idea and then you want
to turn to talk, but then nobody else will shut
the hell up so you can say it, and then
you end up forgetting it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
And it's kind of like that in a bigger sense,
you know. Like that's how I feel that indie authors
are is, Hey, you've got something to say. I might
not be coping with it, but you've got your own
little group of people that will probably love this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Yeah, I feel like you know, I just I just
like everybody to have a turn to talk for a second,
unless you know, give these people a chance to be
heard and let the people find them. You know, I
might not like it, but hey, these people might.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean there are certain certain genres of
books that I that I will read. It's something that
I that I will not read. I'm just gonna be
honest here, and and that's okay. I mean there are
there are. I mean we we we we all have
other books that that do not that we don't really read.

(01:30:45):
But that doesn't mean that that they're not group. And
I will never, never, never judge an another author for
writing a book that I will not read. They will
book for a reason, for a purpose, to tell their
story so that they so that they could tell the
story the way that it needs to be told. I'm

(01:31:08):
telling mind the way that it needs to be told.
I I can't write their story for them and they
can't write my stories for me. So but yeah, there there, there,
there was, there's bokus of talent out there with great stories.

(01:31:29):
You know that I've seen from from from from from
these uh uh uh h pitch things, pitch meetings, pitch
events on Twitter, that that that my fellow authors have
have set their stuff out into. You know that they
they've they've pitched their their story ideas and everything, and

(01:31:54):
some have gotten some some uh some some yeses from that.
You know, that's good. But I've gotten news. But you
know that's that'side the point. But you know that's that's okay.
I mean that doesn't doesn't diminish the equality of my
writing or anything. Is just it just wasn't wasn't the

(01:32:15):
right person for me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
It's like strikeout, you know exactly. And I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Told you remember always even mister Bob Odenkirk got rejected
forty some odd times before that Zillap book, Yeah, got
got published.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
And he's he's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Way more famous than what you know, either he or
me or he got rejected. So I mean, yeah, it's
but somebody eventually took him. Yeah, should I can't remember
the name of that. But I mean he found him
and his family found their people. So whoever is Minta had,

(01:32:54):
he is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Come afore, Yeah, I I think so. But but but
in the meantime, I'm telling my best to get these
ready to self publish, you know, just in case, you know,
either way something I want, I want them. I want
all four books to be ready to go, you know,

(01:33:15):
in in some case that I do get to get
a yes, right, so well I'll have these books ready
to go, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
And see that's also a great thing about this this generation,
this time that we're living in right now, because even
if all these people say, you know, who the hell cares,
go ahead and you know we can self publish, you know,
there's nothing stopping if you want this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Out, if it can be there, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
And I will definitely be, you know, promoting your book
as much as I can and telling people about it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
I think you're a damn good writer. And the paranormal
it's fun to read about and I love it, you know,
those kinds of movies and stories. I used to My
thing was I used to read three books a week,
and a couple of those rl Stan books. I don't
know if you remember those, not the Goosey ones, talking

(01:34:18):
about the fair Street ones, And yeah, I read the
ship out of those man, and I think I read
like two or three of those a week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Like those were my jim back when I was even
shorter than I am now. Yeah, but you want to
tell everybody where they can find you at, like on
Twitter or wherever else.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Yes, I am on Twitter and Instagram at TK Comedy
at twenty thirteen, capital letters TK see lowercase O E
M E D Y two zero one three t K
Comedy at twenty thirteen, and in the same for Facebook

(01:35:12):
as well, all all all three platforms at t K
Comedy at twenty thirteen. That's me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Excellent. So, uh, I guess we have been talking now
for quite a while. It's gone, oh geez, one hour
and minutes. This is gonna be a really good episode.
But I mean, I've enjoyed this talk. I mean obviously,
because if we didn't, we wouldn't have talked this damn long.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yeah, how old about that? Next person?

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
This is I think your books are gonna be awesome
for real, and you should at that. And I really
appreciate you being my first guest.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
And I've had a blast today. It's been fun talking
to you. We have gone We've covered so much ground
and and you know what there and I'm sure that
you are going to think of this as well. But
after we we get through this, there's gonna be something
that I meant to say, you know, uh, during during

(01:36:27):
our our our call, you know, and and and I'm
sure that you're going to think of something that you've
got to ask me, so you know, but yeah, this
this has been fun. I've enjoyed it. I hope that
I've given some good uh tips and Shenanians and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Oh yeah you did. Like I think that that's definitely
the direction that I'm wanting to go with with this uh,
with this new like I'm gonna do a new season completely.
That's why I'm like taking a little bit more time
because I think evolved from the first season of The

(01:37:09):
Uncomfortable Talk Show from trying to find my voice as
in I'm wanting other people to find their voice now,
you know, because I'm not as shy about talk email
to people, and like I'm growing. So when I think
of like what i want to do for a living,

(01:37:31):
it's this I want to write and I want other
people to get their ship out too, you know you might. Yeah,
there their stories out because I think it really all
comes down to the fact that I am. I spent
a long time, a long portion of my life not

(01:37:52):
being listened to or heard, and that pisses me off.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Yeah, I don't want anybody else to feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
So that's kind of the part of where this season
two is going to go. Yes, thank you so much
for joining me today on the Uncomfortable Talk Show. I
hope you found something meaningful in our conversation and that
it inspired you in your own creative journey. Remember, your
voice matters, and the stories you have to share are
worth telling. Whether you're a poet, writer, or just someone

(01:38:22):
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(01:38:45):
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