August 31, 2025 • 53 mins
Former Utah star Zack Moss joins Alex Markham to discuss all things Utes.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Ah ah. Welcome to the Players Left.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, well no, the mom.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And man, it can't compare to the obvious people look at.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Me in the name anybody.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Welcome to the Players Lair You Nation podcast for this week.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm your host, Alex Markham.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, when it comes to it weekend and week out,
you're probably gonna be seeing some different guys, but primarily
my guy right here, Zach Moss.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
So, uh, this time around, you know, you're gonna have
some fun.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I threw some stuff out on social the social media space,
just asking everybody for some Q and a's forum so
we can have a fun conversation going back and forth,
a lot of different ideas that we're going to be having,
you know when it comes to the Players Lair, right, Zach.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely, Man, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Looking forward to it all year, just constantly getting new
guys on here, and you know, even old faces reappearing
and stuff like that with us.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But you know, we've got a lot of this stuff you.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Know, in our in our sleeves here that we want
to pull out throughout the year goes on, and we're
excited for it and can't wait. It'll be a lot
of different things that we're doing with this, So guys
are definitely gonna want to make sure you're tuned in
and locked in with us the entire season.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, you know, when it comes down to it, I
mean the amount of back and forth we've already had,
man just banner and saying, hey, we should do this,
we should do.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That, right, you know, It's it's fun to think of it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
At the same time too, it's like, okay, guys, should
what should we narrow down? But you know, so some
of the things we've talked about, right and uh, you know,
we'll see what we can make come to fruition on
some of these things. But you know you mentioned bringing
back some old faces and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
When it comes to the old faces, it's maybe not
going to just.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Be utah, guys when it comes down to that, because
you with your NFL career, man, you've you've made a
lot of friends along the ways. You know, I had
a lot of teammates, and you know, it's it's gonna
be fun when we have those weeks where we can
get former player perspectives that you knew from the NFL
that would have played for the teams that Utah is
going to be going up against, right yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
And that's that's the really cool part is you know,
being able to play and being in different locker rooms
with a lot of different guys, playing in so many
different conferences, you know, and that's being a big twelve now.
You know, it's gonna be really fun to get different
guys that have played against I mean, played with you know,
Baylor and Test Tech and you know, all these different
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schools that I may have shared locker rooms with and
stuff like that, and kind of getting them on and
kind of getting a good inside of, you know, one
their time at that school, but they think of the
matchup and different things like that. So just kind of
getting different insights of you know, obviously our side of
it being Utah guys, and then you got the other
guys that will be coming on that we're hoping to
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get victories against on here and on the field each
and every week.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I love it, man, Hey, So I feel like we
got to call him out this week.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
We tried getting Josh Kelly u c l a running back,
but no luck.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Huh yeah, no luck, no luck. It's probably somewhere busy
doing something. But you know, like I said, we'll, we'll
we we'll skip out on that one, and we miss
out on that, but it's still gonna be a really
good game on Saturday, that that we're all looking forward to,
and getting this thing kicked off right and seeing for
my like I said, for me, all about offense, but
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seeing that offense and seeing this quarterback and those guys
getting the thing on the start off on the right
foot and hopefully putting about forty points out there in
the Rose Bowl, that'll be that'd beautiful. It'll be a
lot of happy people.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I feel you on that one, man, especially after last year.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, if we could, if we can put
up a lot of points the first game of the year,
it'll be a lot of hype trains, high trains going
on throughout all Lake.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's absolutely man.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well dude, let's uh, I mean, there's plenty of time
for conversing back and forth.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Let's let's let's run through some of these man. You know,
I'm not gonna go through in any.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Real specific order and stuff like that, right, but uh,
you know, so some of these I think are going
to start off a little bit about your career more
than more than an upcoming game, right, but uh, you
fans have been craving hearing from you, so it's it's
gonna be a good time, man.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So appreciate you guys asking these questions.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We are excited to I'm excited to answer them and
kind of see which questions kind of pull back memories
for myself that things I probably haven't thought about a year.
So excited for it. And you know, make sure you
guys are the team to tune in and make sure you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Rhyn what is the whole way?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Absolutely, Yeah, there's one of these, you know, year old
memories kicking back and stuff like that. There's there's actually
a funny one that somebody asks something about one of
the Utah BYU games. For you guys, it's it's and
it's not it's not snoops they so poop poo comment.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Oh god, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Is that one of the more classic responses you ever heard?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So it is definitely a classic, Like it's definitely a
classic because for us, you know, specifically speaking for the
guys that are not from here in state, you know,
for us when we came in, we we learned about
it being a huge rivalry writing and everything that it
kind of entailed.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
With it and like getting ready for that game. It was.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was plastered everywhere you went throughout the facility. If
it was a TV on in the facility, it was
highlight clips of us beating down one of those guys, right,
and to you know two years later it was twenty
three years later really to go down there and then
kind of have that moment that stadium, which is usually
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a really hostile place to play, Like, don't get how
tough it is to player, and like it's it is
very hard to player, but like getting that moment and
you know, him going in there and saying that, I
feel like it's definitely every every time they play those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now, I feel like his clip has to be.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Up on that highlight of him just saying based on football,
like it has to be a running clip every week
when that that game comes up.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
From now, I just think that it has to be
for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Oh it's it's gonna be a highlight clip on both
sides though, man, because I mean, you got so many
old Utah coaches over on the b YU side too,
and I mean I know how Kyle has been over
the years with taking taking a quote and uh and
using his bulletin board material.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Very true, very true, but.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Casing point k and then and then we'll get to these.
This is this is one of my all time favorite
witting things. So did you ever hear about the time.
It was Whittingham's first or second year? Okay, and the
Wyoming coach at the time, Joe Glenn, he was at
his student assembly. Kay, he guaranteed a victory against Utah. Wow,
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and before social media was prominent, Right, it gets out,
Kyle finds out about it, Utahs thumping them. Utah comes
out at halftime and I want to say they.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Were like up by forty or something like that, or
it was like high thirties. Right. He kicks an onsitees
kick to prove a point and Joe Glenn Utah.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Ends up not getting it because like one of the
guys was you know, just off size or didn't go
far enough.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Joe Glenn walks out on the field, goes by the
hash marks, waits for Kyle to be looking at him,
flips him off and just stands there holding it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So Kyle and the bulletin board material, like I said,
like that that is it's his comment is gonna live
in infamy with this rivalry for years, and it's gonna
be something that you fans and Utah players laugh at
and BYU players and BYU coaches just take and try
to get pissed off over. Oh man, well dude, so
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let's let's do this, Bud so u ESPNK.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He wants to know your personal greatest moment in your
Utah career and also your NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Career personal greatest moment at Utah. Uh Man. Probably. Shoot,
that's a great question, geez.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So I don't want to go with the you know,
the regular answer that people think of. It's obviously the
Arizona State game and breaking that record, but I think
just being maybe twenty eighteen was the year for me
where I felt the best overall, and I felt like
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that was gonna be Like I would have broke the
record that year, and I wouldn't have, you know, if
I didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But I think.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
USC game that year, in the seventeen twenty seventeen game
for me were the big ones that stand out just
because of the mental aspects of the game for me,
Like so first year, you know, I play here and
there scatterly stuff like that, and then seventeen, coming off
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of a broken arm in the spring game, and then
I didn't really figure it out until like week four
or five in the first game where I was like, Okay,
I can do this, and like I'm sorry for the
rest of the guys behind me because they're not getting
it back.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What's the USC game when we went down there and
where I.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Had one hundred and about fifty yards or something like
that didn't score, which sucks, but but that was the
game I walked out of there. I came every one
and lost that game. But you know, it was one
of those plays where people love the when I ran
over the linebacker. But that game was probably my favorite moment.
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I remember that, Yeah that partly. That game is probably
my favorite moment just because of what it started.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Like if I look.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Back ten years, twenty years from now, right, yeah, which
has already almost been closer to ten years than not time. Yeah,
but like if when I look back twenty years from now,
that game versus SC in twenty seventeen at the Coliseum, right,
It's what started everything for me, having the s sess
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I had and then catapult me to go into the
NFL and stuff like that. So that's my garest moment,
the greatest moment in the NFL probably just all the
success that our teams had, honestly, because at that level
it's not always about you know, the personal things that
you can accomplish or not accomplished. But like, you know,
being in Buffalo and going and win our division for
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three years in a row was really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And now they's when it maybe five or six times
down the row.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
But like those things and having those moments in the
locker rooms, things that you don't forget, you know, And
mainly because for me in college, we we all we
wanted to South I want to say definitely in my
last two years, but we didn't win the pack to
a championship game, right, So obviously in college don't you
don't celebrate the division, you know, in the South Division,
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like we never celebrate.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was never something that where you know, you had
that moment.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You get the T shirts, you get football, but it's
you know, saying what you accomplished and you're visiting champs.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You didn't get those moments. So my first time ever.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Having that locker room moment where god, you know, it's
loud as hell, people are throwing water Gatoray in there, celebrating,
having a great time getting to put on those shirts
right was in the NFL when I was my time
in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So that's probably my favorite.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Moment, just having that that moment with everybody in locker room,
knowing that you've accomplished something that it's very hard to
do because once I left Buffalo, I never won the
division title again, and so that's really hard to do.
And it seems like, you know whatever, because it's not
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an AFC championship.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
We you know, go to.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
The super Bowl something like that. But doing those things
at that level is just really hard to do.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It is, man.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It is like you could you could end up in
the conference you know, in the conference championship game one year,
and then be picking in the top ten the next
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's that's how That's how fast it changes.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, it could get ugly. You're really fast. Man.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
So those were probably, you know, two of my favorite.
Those definitely the two moments where I can look back
on and just kind of have remember exactly where I
was and what I felt like in those moments for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Nice Well let's see here, man, Let's let's do another one. Here,
So Razzie ute fan kay, he says, my favorite ute,
my favorite you'd ever Thanks for being a beast for us.
My daughter met you at a Dutch bros. If that
would even ring a bell for you. So, uh, after
your experience and playing on Sunday, what does Utah need
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to do to get out of the slump of the
last two years to be back in contention for the
conference championships?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, shout out to Bros.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
I love that good place, so you know, maybe they'll
work with us, who knows, but uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think the main thing is just to been the injuries.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think the talent has been there. You just got
an injury to the talent, which it's never going to
help right when you are losing your QB one or
RB one or whatever one at that position and you're
now depending on the third and fourth guy maybe even
to walk on. It's gonna be hard because the talent level,
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you know, is it can be a big gap once
you start getting down there into your deep, into your
depth chart. So I think the main thing is just
is these guys can stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I think that's been the main talk for the last
two years. Get these guys healthy. I think the school
has been changing things and how they probably you know,
work these guys out in the wintertime and you know,
springtime and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like that and get these guys healthy.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But then they also it's a big part of the players, right,
you got to take care of your body, you know,
just as if you were pro, even though you're not
a pro.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But you got to figure out what that thing out.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
And hopefully, like I said, just both of those things
come together and injuries happen. Hopefully we just don't get
that many happening. Hopefully it's like scattered or even none,
be even better. But I think that's the main thing.
Just injuries cut them down and let that be on
our side this year. And I mean, these guys they
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have the talent. Man, it's not a team where they
don't have the talent. They have the talent. It's got
to go out and do it and you know.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Be helping absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah. I mean you talked about the injuries one of
one of my favorite sound bites on our forty eight
hour Role podcast, which if anybody hasn't heard that yet,
go to our YouTube page, find it and just dive
right into it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You'll you'll love it.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But when when you made the comment about you go
from QB one to QB sixteen, help that way, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Like being on QB four man, I come into that game,
you know, and we're hanging in there, but you know,
so you can just see the game slipping away just
off the QB play alone. I believe one of those guys,
I want to say maybe his last name was Rolls,
got injured in that game and he was playing pretty
well in that moment in time. And you know, like
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like I said in our forty hour podcast, you know,
when you lose quarterbacks over and over, that can be
depleted into a team, right, And that's the main reason,
you know, and like and I've played with two of
you know, top five quarterbacks in NFL with it being
Burrow and Josh Allen, Like, you do everything you possibly can.
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Everybody in the building, everybody, I mean, to the cafeteria people,
to whoever it may be, like, everybody almost plays a
role in keeping these guys healthy because you know, it
is a big drop off.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Even though everybody is talented in their own rights, it
is a.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Big drop off when you go from you know, your
QB one who's face of the franchise, absolutely no doubt, right,
and then you go down a few levels trying to
figure that out. You know, you can miss the playoffs
like that and work for what happened to us, Like
we're not ranting twenty five coming into the season where
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we know easily we should be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You miss out on playoff contention, you miss out on
the winner of the division, all those different things. So yeah,
I mean, just let's let's figure out the injuries and
find a way to keep that to the side a
little bit, and it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Will be will be really good.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And the game that you're talking about. What's what's even
crazier to add the layer to that and talking about
the injuries, right, is Rose has actually gotten hurt in
the in the b YU game, right, and so he
he took over the job from Isaac. Isaac hadn't It
wasn't because Isaac was hurt, right, you know. So Rose
comes in, he's doing well, gets hurt, you know, play
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tries playing through the rest of that game, not you know,
not able to do everything that was making them effective,
you know, and so then you have to turn the
back to Wilson, you know, you know for the Iowa
State game, which that's tough on anybody, psyche, right, uh,
you know, and then he goes down because Iowa State
was doing a bunch of dirty, dirty tactics. They I
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mean I remember talking to Mackai Bernard and they'd be
down in a pile and they'd still be twisting their legs, right,
And that's that's what happened to Isaac. He goes out
and then you thought, goes to QB five But Tari
and uh man, that was that was just it was
It was insane, man.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, that was a good just full of everything of
what that season was. It was just hit, have to
hit at that position. But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
interesting to be Okay to year, we're gonna put that
in the air. Interest to be great this year and
those guys are gonna do some really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
They're bound to have a year of injury luck basically, right,
I mean, y yeah, I look back at it, like
so Utah is twenty seventeen. Many they were so riddled
with injuries that wasn't even funny. But the benefit to
that was it ended up giving so many other guys
like all these extra reps and then look what happened
for him in two thousand and eight with the Sugar Bowl,
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you know, so it's it's gonna be interesting to see
what happens this year. I mean, granted, it's a different
era where fifty percent of the rosters new right, and
we talked about that in the forty eight hour podcast
as well. But let's kick into some other stuff here, man, So,
Salt City Sports, what is our biggest weakness on the
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offense this year and defense? And how do you feel
like we can overcome them?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Biggest weakness on offense, I want to say a weakness.
I think it's more of like I said, the team
is talented. I don't think they have a pool of
guys at a position group that is just you know,
so much far off.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Then you know.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
There's other other groups and stuff like that, and that
goes for east side. But I mean defense to me, honestly,
probably doesn't have a weakness. Maybe you know, maybe cornerback play, which,
like I said, I'm not I haven't heard much about
the cornerback play and as you can tell me if
I'm missing something there. But on offense, I think there's
no real weakness. I think we kind of just have
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to see who are what group is going to develop
into that group, right, and then you can play off
of that group, right like if it's a strong run game,
which can happen, right like. And I think the main
thing is is why it's hard for me to say
a weakness is because those groups aren't established. The one
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receiver room is established right to go. It could be
this guy's week. It could be this guy's week. It
could be this guy's week.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, it's not a set stone.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Okay, this is our guy, main targets, main carries whatever whatever.
So I think that's the basically who's gonna what group
is going to develop into the group that where now the.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Offense, how to play calls are going to come in,
is going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Focused around those different things, right Like I've played on
teams where our passing game is what we did right
and that dictated every single thing we did.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Then first second down, third down, fourth down, where we're
out on.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
The field, you know we're gonna go for field goal
or not, Like, all those different things matter and just
depends on the group who is has developed into the
group that the offensive coaches are going to trust the
most as the season.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Goes on, so there's no weakness. I think we just
need to see who we're gonna who's gonna be coming
to that, who's going.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
To flourish in those worlds as a position group, And
that's gonna be awesome to see because we're gonna be
able to see it Saturday. That'd be the first chance
we need to see who's gonna step up and take
the reins because the first impression is the best impression.
So you know, if it's the running backs, that's great
that I mean, they don't have a really good year.
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And if it's the receivers, that's great as long as
everything turns to wins. You know, guys are playing commentary football,
which coach with is a huge, huge one is offense
helping the SPUSS teams, SPOS team using defense and everybody
helping each other, which makes it you know, flipping the
field and making things a lot harder for everybody else
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as the opponents.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So we'll see.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Who develops, and you know, that's I think that's the
best way to kind of look at it because, like
you said, so many new faces, right, you don't have
any turnover from last year essentially outside of your office
a line to some degree on the off side of the ball.
But defense, I would yeah, definitely, no witnesses on the defense.
You got a lot of turnover there. You got a
lot of guys that played by the ball, coach Kelly.
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You know, when you have that continuity on that deep
side the ball where you have the same coaches, right,
really coming back in every year, you know, things stay
the same when it comes to the offense. You're changing
offense now, you know, changing offense, changing the coordinator, You're
changing the running back coach, You're changing the receivers coach,
You're changing like they're changing so many different things. I
think coach Harden to be the only person on that
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side of the ball who was kind of out lastly
maybe four or five different offensive coordinators in the last
ten years, right, So I think that's the main thing
that's the biggest thing to kind of look for, is
just that turnover. And you know, with this new offense,
who's going to develop as the season goes along for sure?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know, And you mentioned something right there that I
want to ask you about, and I'm you know, I'm
going off track with some of the Q and A
questions sometimes, so there's probably gonna be something that I
don't get to, so I'm gonna feel bad for everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They're still playing time throughout the season to be able
to be doing these things too. Right, you mentioned hardy Okay,
now now real, real fast people. Before that, you know,
you had kind of made a comment to me about
interjecting on something.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I agree with you. Offensively, there's not really weaknesses, there's questions. Right.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Defensively pretty much the same thing, but you did kind
of mention stuff. With the cornerbacks, Blake Cotton has really
emerged to go along with Scooby Davis and Smith Nooden.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
They've got other guys.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
A wild card within this entire group is Jackson Benny,
who is a red shirt freshman walk who walked onto
the team and has just blown up. Man. I last
I heard, he runs right around a four four forty.
He's got an insane vertical. He was one of the
stars of h he was one of the stars of
spring ball and all that. So there's there's talent within.
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You know, the secondary you just you gotta you gotta
see it through and that's something that you know, you
trust shref Shaw, you trust Morgan Scalley, right, but you
mentioned Okay, I want you to answer this, and again
I'm bearing from the questions because this is important because
everybody needs to understand this. Okay, there are times throughout
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the years where everybody gets frustrated early on and people
have their opinions about Jim Harding because maybe the offensive
line starts slow, or maybe the offensive line is the
position that just turns into the whipping voice of the offense. Right,
to me, that's that's not justified. It's it's unfair talk
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to everybody about how important Jim Harding is and you
know why some of those things can maybe take some
time sometimes and it's not necessarily something that he should
be blamed for.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's the proof is in
the put in. Honestly, it's a reason he's been held.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Over over and over and over. Right, It's not because
of favoritism or you know X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Right, it's always just like coaching is the X man up,
Like if somebody can do that job better then the
guy who's currently doing it, then you know that happens.
But you know, I think it's a lot of different
things to kind of look at to why that can
happen sometimes, Right, you can have injuries throughout training camp,
you can have injuries throughout springball kind of things that
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doesn't allow you to see that that that group.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Of guys at their best, right.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Like, like I said, I've played football for a long
time and the office line have always been my best friends.
So I know when it's five guys and they're all playing,
they're all healthy for weeks on end, right months on end,
where they're all that they know, Hey, okay, my guy
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my left guard, right, I'm the center.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
My left guard isn't the greatest doing X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Right, But when you got an injury there and bring
in another guy, they have to learn each other, right
because they are one.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It's like think of your They're just one big thing, right, And.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
As soon as you have one guy that has really
bad weaknesses, teams can exploit that at a high level.
So I think that's very challenging as a coach, is
especially as the officer line coach, because your receiver coach
got one guy, he's making all decisions about whatever he's
going to do. Right, quarterbacks, same thing, running back, the
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same thing to some degree officer line.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They work as a group.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
If you ever have been around defensive alignment or you
know everybody watching, if you ever heard defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Alignments say, we rush as a group.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Because it's true, right, one d lineman can't wreck a
game by himself, right. You see guys like an Aaron
Donald or even the block us to trade today with
Michael Parsons. All of these guys will tell you right
that their success isn't off of just their own peer talent.
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They have to have guys doing certain things and then
doing that their best to get these things done.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right. I've played with Von.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Miller, right and kind of just hearing how he talks
about it, and you see the way defense defensive coaches
and kind of scheme things up for these guys. If
it's swamming it, it's you know, you know, holding the guy,
you know, manipulating the office line so that this guy
uh can get around and do something that's a group effort. Right.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So same thing with the office a line.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
These guys are one big group and they all have
to be on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And that's harder to coach, right.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
And it's a lot of times where you see defensive
line coaches get fired, right, because in the trenches, the
game is won in the trenches, no matter. You know,
if it's the early two thousands where everybody's running the
ball you got all these thousands of ars backs in
the NFL, right, or if it's you know now where
you got everybody throwing the ball all over the field
and running backs kind of don't matter anymore, right, It
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doesn't really matter about the skill physicians. At the end
of the day, you can't do any of those different
things without the officer a defensive line, right. So that's
harder to coach, in my opinion, And I think that's
you know, from playing and being around you know the
game for as long as I have. It's just seeing
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and understanding. Okay, this group is a group of guys
doing something with one mission, right, And that's harder to
coach because you have four guys that you have to
pray and hope do the right thing each and every
time they step on the field, right, shooting the right gap,
doing this and that. That that's harder to coach, I think.
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But like I said, to my point, coach Harden has
been there for the longest on that side of the ball.
For a reason because he understands it. And at the
end of the day, if it's a slow start or
it's a bad ending, there is some point in time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Where there's a hell of a good stretch.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Right and every running back was played there, the quarterback
has played there.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know, they've been.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Able to be successful to some degree because Coach Harden's
had those guys ready.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
To play right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
It may not have been you know, you know the
type of office line they have now right where you got
all these you know, you know they are projected to
do so many great things, which is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But he does the best work with the guys.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
That he continues to gets in and out of there,
and he's put a lot of guys in the NFL.
Guys are still playing in the NFL right now from
those groups that he's put together.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Absolutely, he's I mean, honestly, he's going to go down
when when he's done with Utah, he's going to end
up being one of the one of the best offensive
coaches the Utah has ever had, you know, just with
any position group, right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I don't know if this was one of your
years or not, but.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It's safe to say he is one of very very
few coaches that can get get scolded on the sidelines
by waiting halm and look at him and then say
well then and fire me.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, I think one of the coach Coach Hardy definitely
uh can go zero to one hundred for sure. And
he's definitely one of the coaches that doesn't mind kind
of having that moment on the sideline, which coach wit
which is a certain passion that not a lot of
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people who have coached along coach would have to that
degree to go at him on them and you know,
and you know out there, but again that makes those.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Guys in that room want to go even harder.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
For him because they understand, you know, just how much
he cares about the game, but even you know, the
things I was able to see just how much he
cares about those guys off the field, right like, you know,
just guys, the things that he does for those guys
off the field. Just knowing that they can trust him
and believe in him, you know, that's that's a big
thing as well, when you're a coach and having this
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players trust you and wanted to put out all online
for you each and every week.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
For sure, So we'll run through a few more of these.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I think we'll save probably a bunch for like a
week or two from now, man, just because again, you know,
there's plenty of people that chimed in on stuff, and
you know, you, you and me will kind of go
off of one of those questions.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's just it's just a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That means it's a great question.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
So yeah, asking all these really good questions that you know,
get us into different parts of different storylines and stuff
like that. Which is I mean, that's when you know
you got a good question. If the questions just make
you say yeah or no, probably not a good question.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Oh gosh, I'm trying to think back to who were
maybe some of the worst guys to interview over the years,
because I mean, dude, I've done this for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So but here's here's a here's the by you want
to was actually referencing earlier.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Okay, so Utah Football Stats and Analysis said what was
going through your head during this nine minute drive when
you ran.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Out the clock after the rain delay?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And then it said did you and Huntley really eat
rice crispies and oranges?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Uh? Man? That was the twenty nineteen game. Yeah, senior year.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That was an insane drive man.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Well, the funny thing about that is now that I
think about it, like I haven't thought about that game forever.
But so I come back right from Tormentiscus. That's why
he was the first game of the year. Come back
from the Tormentiscus, and I'm practicing, but I'm not really practicing.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, a ton they're kind of monitoring everything I'm
kind of doing.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And I ended up breaking my hand. I broke a bone,
one of my bones in my hand in practice, and
I'm like, just my luck, right, just you know, just
the whole thing about New York running back, you come
back another year, kind of take more.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Wear and tear stuffing on.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
So I break my hand early in camp, and I'm
not I can't remember how if it was like a
big story or not, or like how well we kept
that in the wraps, but you know, I did that,
and I wasn't sure how the hell I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Play this game coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
But we figured a way to put like some little,
you know, material underneath my gloves.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So technically I'm playing with.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
A broken bone in my hand, in my dominant hand
at that. So my right hand, I'm playing with a
with a with a broken bone in my dominant hand,
and I'm just coming back off of a knee surgery
and I've never had a.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You know, some of the back torn, so I don't.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Even know how that feels coming back into your first
live game. And so I was like so many questions
going into that game, but getting to the so everything
I did that game, you know, it was kind of
more just a blur almost. I don't even really remember
being in that moment in time really because I was
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just like trying to block out a hand thing and
block out the knee thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And you know, all those metal hurdles.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But to your point, getting that nine minute drive in
that moment in time, I never knew it was nine minutes, right, Like,
all I knew was that we came back out of
the uh the delay. I think it was a rain
delay or something like that, right storm, and we come
back out of that, and yeah, we were eating I
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would think I was eating oranges for sure. I'm not
a big rice prispy guy, so my memory might not
serve me well. But I'm not a big rice prispy guy.
So but yeah, we were having snacks. They were trying
to keep us, you know, hydrated and you know kind
of have some food in us and stuff like that,
just because that that delay was a while.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It wasn't it was. It wasn't just a all right,
twenty thirty minutes.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
We're back out there, like when you're playing a whole
game and all those juices and everything is flowing and
you just stop abruptly like that, and then you sit down.
And if you've been in the visit's locker room, to
visit the locker room, it's never the nice locker room, right, So.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We're in there, kind of cramped up, people sitting on
the floor. We're all in full pass.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You don't want to take them off like we're going
through it a little bit, but we're still trying to
stay engage. So yeah, definitely, it was a lot of
rice Krispies and oranges in the locker room. Me personally,
I was an orange guy and I was killing those off.
So we go back out in that drive. Man, Like
I said, I didn't even know it was nine minutes,
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so I wasn't even thinking about anything. I just knew
that we were calling a lot of run plays and
I don't even know I had the energy and the
standard honestly to continue to kind of just run the.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Way I did.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
All I know is I remember back at that in
that same nine minute drive where I was pissed and
my running back coach was pissed, Coach McDonald, where I
had a run where I kind of was doing a
little bit too much, you know you kind of because
I don't even think I had a two yard run
in that like I was getting five to six kind
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of almost every single run.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We were just those big guys in front us small
than them, killing them. And our receiver was doing a
great job as well.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
But I had a run where I was doing a
little too much and I could have had a touchdown
way before.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I had to touch down.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think I remember that.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
And I missed it just because I jumped outside one
time off of something I thought was going to happen
and I missed it. But yeah, that nine men drive
was crazy looking back at it and thinking about having
seen it. But that game was just crazy. That was
a good b YU defense. I thought the offense wasn't much,
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but the defense, the defense was pretty good. And if
I'm understanding that's the game couple he tried to play
for something.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, and he wasn't ready. Everybody could see it kept swelling.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
But he was not going to miss that game because
I think it was his obviously it would have been
his first game versus by U since obviously you know,
maybe twenty fifteen before you're on his mission and it's acting.
He was like, I'm not missing this game, and he
went out there trying to move any damn sure couldn't.
But yeah, that nut Drivers was pretty cool when you
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look back at it. But again, that goes to a
lot of that goes to coach Harding and the big
guys are front, because that takes a lot of you know,
brain power to continue to be doing the same things
and getting to your keys and getting and getting to
the right guys and moving guys off the ball because
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same way they're tired, those big guys up, they're tired
as hell as well, and they kept moving those guys.
Me to you know, have this moment to talk about,
you know, something that we did a couple of years ago,
and being a non minute drive.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
For sure, man, dude, I don't know what you have
against Rice Crispies, man, but they hanged.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
I mean nothing against them. I just it's so many
snacks in the world that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You can eat, and yeah, that's like on the bottom
tier for me.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I was never a big Rice Crispy guy, but like
my mom would make these frosted flake ones with peanut
butter and h and marshmallow and that that stuff's addicting.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, but Rice crispies I feel I feel you on
that one, dude. The rain delay on that What was
crazy is like all the b YU fans went and
like got in you know, cover right, A whole bunch
of the Youte fans just all gathered together, went down
right towards the field and like there's music playing. Everybody's
just dancing around in the rain, just belting out the songs.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You could you can tell who's having a better time. Yeah, uh,
let's see here, man, dude. So one of these questions
is a little bit similar. So instead of you answering
this one, I want you to just give a shout
out to everybody's favorite youth fan, Squeaky staff Man.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
She's a she's a gem. Yeah, she's she's awesome. I Mean,
I can't remember a game where I didn't walk out
of right ecles and she wasn't outside waiting to greet us.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So that was really cool when you think about somebody.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Who's just that committed to the team and the success
of the players, and I mean even throughout the NFL,
like she's always messaging me on Instagram just kind of
just wishing us love. So you know, that's that's really cool.
She's a really really cool lady. And I've gotten me
your kids as well, maybe maybe last year, uh out
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in front of the Price cycles again ironically right, But
she's she's she's a huge supporters.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
J Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I don't know many guys that don't love her support
and it's definitely appreciated.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That's awesome, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
So Mike Austin wants to know how can we get
more Florida kids up to Utah.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Ah, Man, that's a that's a good one. Well, now
it's really easy. I think that's that's Uh it's three
letters that kind of will make certain things and certain
people come from different states, uh In I l so
that will kind of handle a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
But I think the main thing is, Man, you know,
you talked so far away.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I was lucky to even come here just because of
coach Dennis Erison, who had ties in Miami obviously being
you know, head coach at the University of Miami down
there and stuff like that, and still having connections and
him understanding that that's a big place for football. And
you know, so every guy that play that you told
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that I was that was from Florida, even like a
couple of years before I got there was a direct
hit from coach Erickson. And you know, when he left,
it got really hard, right to keep getting guys back
from Florida. But because you saw mainly two main hubs
obviously would be Texas and California. You've had a lot
(42:24):
of success there, and this is really hard to get
guys from out of Floda coming that far away, and
you know a lot of different other things as well.
But it's I think it can be easier now. I mean,
I get it, and I did no nil. So I
think if you have NIL and you got a kid
from Miami or kid from anywhere in Florida that you want,
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you know, just got to figure that nil part out
and you can get anybody you want. Man from Ohio
State doesn't it's not from Ohio state.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And the NIL.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Still it's going to be a fun conversation for another day,
right because it's it was really interesting at first, Like
I remember somebody like Sly absolutely hated it. Right now
now he's on board with it, even though he still
hates it, you know, but I love a lot of
the different ideas some of the guys have, Like you know,
with some of the conversations that me and Sly have had,
He's like, you know, I would be more on board
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with it if they did something with giving them a
certain percentage and putting the rest in a trust until
they graduated, you know, and took like financial responsibility classes
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Right, you know. And so it's yeah, I mean NIL
is so out of control.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
And yeah again like so many people like you just
barely missed it, you know.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, well we will definitely need to well we
would definitely touch on that on the next forty eight
hour podcast, so you guys definitely don't want to miss that,
and kind of just hear our takes on NIL. What
could have been done right, just opinions and what could
have made some sense and then kind of just where
is that now and kind of give a better inside
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look you know, from guys who have played it and
things like that and kind of seeing how that affects
teams and the success that you can have and can't have.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So don't want to miss that one.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Next way our part, we'll be speaking about that absolutely
at some point for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Good good topic, man, good topic. So a bunch of
different people have asked this one, okay, Weshawn Parker.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
You know, so instead of just shouting out a.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Bunch of the names, because there there's been a bunch
asking so plenty of people think he kind of reminds
them of I mean that he kind of reminds.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Them of you.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
What is it that you see in with Shawn Parker
that you really like and what are your expectations for him?
I know one thing that you noted on the forty
eight hour podcast is you know, you're you're not ready
to anoint him as the guy at running back yet.
But a lot of that is also just because you
want to see him in game action any Utah uniform.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean it's not even that I don't want to
annoy them like me.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Personally, right, It's more so the coaches haven't at that
position fully yet, right.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like you know, and.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
I think he's really good. I think with with with
the quarterback than Pier right, and you're putting a guy
like that who has he does have some resembments more
of a similar body type, right, And when you get
guys with body types that I have, you know, like
I've watched the guys that I thought had similar life types,
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you know, Aaron Foster or Marshall Lan's like those guys
that I watched a lot of football one because I
thought that was very similar. Like, he's not's not a
tall He's not a really tall guy maybe five nine,
maybe five etish, So that's gonna limit you know, your shry, right,
So that means if that limits your stry, that means
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you probably have a really good balance. So you know,
I can see him having really good balance. He has
a receptional speed. I think the main thing, which will
be something that I'm looking forward to, will be how
we catches the ball out of the backfield, right, Like
I said, Like, that's gonna be a big thing because
in the offenses that I played in, there wasn't a
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lot of ask for runner backs for us to catch
the ball at the backfield, which I wish you would
have done a little bit more of and hopefully he
gets a chance to do that, because one, that's only
going to help the team right by hisself overall, but
then that's also going to help him with dreads and
his aspirations going to NFL being able to be a
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guy who is labeled who can do two things right.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And I think he's going to play with a quarterback
who can do that.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
He's going to play with often the coordinator who's smart
enough to understand that this dude also can get in space,
and we can get this guy in space and create
different ways for me to get the ball and not
just running between tackles. That's just going to make the
offense even more explosive in so many different ways. So
you know, I'm looking forward to seeing what he what
he does, and you know, I think he is RB
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one currently I would assume, but I say, yeah, we
just got to see it on on Saturday and every
week after that. But you definitely have the tools. It's
definitely not from lack of tools or lack of anything else.
Hopefully the coach stabs is you know, I want to
really see them throw the ball to the back a
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little bit more because that just make them even more
dynamic and what he can do and it'll helped off
us a.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Lot, all right, Zach. So this next one here, man,
it's from biased you. I'm really kind of curious on
this one. I know you and me have talked about
a certain guy.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I doubt that he would be in your top five,
but it would have been interesting to see where it
would have gone, right and Ty Jordan, But biased you
wants to know who are your top five Utah running
back at all time. Obviously there might be a little
bit more recency bias for you. But at the same
time too, I mean, I know that you know enough
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about Utah history when it comes to that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, guys on the top of my head. And it's
kind of it's.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Kind of hard to do it just because more recently
we've had more guys that are been you know.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
A year, maybe two years, year and a half, that
haven't been in the program for a longer period of time.
So the numbers probably won't reflect a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
But guys that I know that we're always constantly talked about,
and that kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Had more of not an impact on me.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
But just like you know, like I said, like more
just talked about so the impact was always in my head,
just like hearing those different names and kind of understanding
the guys who right before you, even a couple of
years behind that you were essentially chasing to some degree respect.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Of the coaches and the fans and all that type
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
But I think, you know guys like that. Dante Booker
was a guy where like I said, he caught the
ball quite a bit out of the backfield in his time,
and he could run involved very well. John White was
really good.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, John White was really good. Uhh. I mean.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
I think this is Eddie Johnson was stud Yeah, Eddie
Eddie Johnson. Obviously he held the regular for quite a bit.
Uh So you can't leave him off of there.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I think Tide definitely would have had.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
An opportunity to be in that list, you know, if
circumstances were different, you definitely had a chance to be
in that list for sure. I think Mattiato was really
good in the style offenses that they had. Then.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, I don't know if I can name five.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Joe Williams is really good, that last stretch man, but
it's really hard for me to put him in the
top five.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Right, that's just me. I just I don't I don't know.
But there's a ton of guys.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Like I said, it's just it's harder for me, just
because we didn't have a ton of guys that had
a lot.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Of turnover year after year after year. But still we
got a lot of good dudes.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Man that How familiar are you with Chris Mafall Chris Fua?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Does that ring a bell?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
No? It rings a bell her game. But I've never seen,
you know, game film. Like all the guys I named,
I've seen the film and I kind of seen things
from those guys, but I've never seen his stuff.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
He carved out a great NFL backup career, backing up
Jerome Bettis Kay had his times where you step in
as a starter here and there, but he had a
bunch of of I mean, he's stuck in the league
that long because I mean he fit the same mold
as as the bus and just backed him up.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
He played in the NFL at two hundred and forty
five pounds. Okay, when he was at Utah, he was
anywhere from sixty five. They're three hundred pounds. So you
obviously remember Ron Dane, right, Yeah, So him and Ron
Dane played in a Bowl game one time, and I
think both of them ended up getting hurt in the game.
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But Chris had gone home that year in between to Hawaii,
k comes back gained all this weight. Myth is he
was right around three hundred pounds, sprains his ankle because
of it, right like first or second quarter, and then
the highly built matchup was nothing but that dude would
like he was getting yards after yards at two hundred
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and seventy five pounds consistently, like three four guys just
like draped on him and he's still rounding and dragging
them five to ten yards.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Dude, that guy playing that we yeah, yeah, I'll have to.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
You'll have to look him up or I'll have to
try to find some highlights for you because oh my
yea god man, there was a there was a legendary poster.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
It was he's a truck year old kill.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
He's a truck all right?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Five?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, for sure, Oh man, we'll shoot dude, you know what,
Let's let's go ahead and wrap it on that we can.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
We can kind of come back.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'll mark some of these be able to come back
to them over the next couple of weeks. Man. You know,
like like you've mentioned, everybody, I love it and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
We've got you all season, dude. It's gonna be fun, man.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
So all the different things we'll be able to come
up with, and you know, some of the ideas will
be changing, but just take it and roll with it
and give the fans what they want, right.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yep, yep. Hopefully we get a lot of wins and
you know, once we come on and every week, you know,
we'll be talking about wins.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Right. We're talking about a lot of highlights and not
a lot of logs for our use this year.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
So, like I said, you know, make sure you guys
like to subscribe, make sure you guys share. Let people
know that this is the part where you want to be.
We got some really good guys on here talking about
the good ball.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's gonna be a lot of fun. So, you know,
make sure you guys stay tuned in with us.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Uhh, welcome to the players left. Yeah, we know the moment, man,
it can't compare due to the obvious. People look at
me and then they're envious and they're the ones that
be grinning and acting the friendliest.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, things are moving in.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
The right direction. Making sure I'm keeping things up in
the right perspective.
Ah ah. Welcome to the Players Left.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, well no, the mom.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And man, it can't compare to the obvious people look at.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Me in the name anybody.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Welcome to the Players Lair You Nation podcast for this week.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm your host, Alex Markham.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, when it comes to it weekend and week out,
you're probably gonna be seeing some different guys, but primarily
my guy right here, Zach Moss.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
So, uh, this time around, you know, you're gonna have
some fun.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I threw some stuff out on social the social media space,
just asking everybody for some Q and a's forum so
we can have a fun conversation going back and forth,
a lot of different ideas that we're going to be having,
you know when it comes to the Players Lair, right, Zach.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely, Man, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Looking forward to it all year, just constantly getting new
guys on here, and you know, even old faces reappearing
and stuff like that with us.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But you know, we've got a lot of this stuff you.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Know, in our in our sleeves here that we want
to pull out throughout the year goes on, and we're
excited for it and can't wait. It'll be a lot
of different things that we're doing with this, So guys
are definitely gonna want to make sure you're tuned in
and locked in with us the entire season.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, you know, when it comes down to it, I
mean the amount of back and forth we've already had,
man just banner and saying, hey, we should do this,
we should do.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That, right, you know, It's it's fun to think of it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
At the same time too, it's like, okay, guys, should
what should we narrow down? But you know, so some
of the things we've talked about, right and uh, you know,
we'll see what we can make come to fruition on
some of these things. But you know you mentioned bringing
back some old faces and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
When it comes to the old faces, it's maybe not
going to just.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Be utah, guys when it comes down to that, because
you with your NFL career, man, you've you've made a
lot of friends along the ways. You know, I had
a lot of teammates, and you know, it's it's gonna
be fun when we have those weeks where we can
get former player perspectives that you knew from the NFL
that would have played for the teams that Utah is
going to be going up against, right yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
And that's that's the really cool part is you know,
being able to play and being in different locker rooms
with a lot of different guys, playing in so many
different conferences, you know, and that's being a big twelve now.
You know, it's gonna be really fun to get different
guys that have played against I mean, played with you know,
Baylor and Test Tech and you know, all these different
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schools that I may have shared locker rooms with and
stuff like that, and kind of getting them on and
kind of getting a good inside of, you know, one
their time at that school, but they think of the
matchup and different things like that. So just kind of
getting different insights of you know, obviously our side of
it being Utah guys, and then you got the other
guys that will be coming on that we're hoping to
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get victories against on here and on the field each
and every week.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I love it, man, Hey, So I feel like we
got to call him out this week.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
We tried getting Josh Kelly u c l a running back,
but no luck.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Huh yeah, no luck, no luck. It's probably somewhere busy
doing something. But you know, like I said, we'll, we'll
we we'll skip out on that one, and we miss
out on that, but it's still gonna be a really
good game on Saturday, that that we're all looking forward to,
and getting this thing kicked off right and seeing for
my like I said, for me, all about offense, but
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seeing that offense and seeing this quarterback and those guys
getting the thing on the start off on the right
foot and hopefully putting about forty points out there in
the Rose Bowl, that'll be that'd beautiful. It'll be a
lot of happy people.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I feel you on that one, man, especially after last year.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, if we could, if we can put
up a lot of points the first game of the year,
it'll be a lot of hype trains, high trains going
on throughout all Lake.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's absolutely man.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well dude, let's uh, I mean, there's plenty of time
for conversing back and forth.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Let's let's let's run through some of these man. You know,
I'm not gonna go through in any.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Real specific order and stuff like that, right, but uh,
you know, so some of these I think are going
to start off a little bit about your career more
than more than an upcoming game, right, but uh, you
fans have been craving hearing from you, so it's it's
gonna be a good time, man.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So appreciate you guys asking these questions.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We are excited to I'm excited to answer them and
kind of see which questions kind of pull back memories
for myself that things I probably haven't thought about a year.
So excited for it. And you know, make sure you
guys are the team to tune in and make sure you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Rhyn what is the whole way?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Absolutely, Yeah, there's one of these, you know, year old
memories kicking back and stuff like that. There's there's actually
a funny one that somebody asks something about one of
the Utah BYU games. For you guys, it's it's and
it's not it's not snoops they so poop poo comment.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Oh god, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Is that one of the more classic responses you ever heard?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So it is definitely a classic, Like it's definitely a
classic because for us, you know, specifically speaking for the
guys that are not from here in state, you know,
for us when we came in, we we learned about
it being a huge rivalry writing and everything that it
kind of entailed.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
With it and like getting ready for that game. It was.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was plastered everywhere you went throughout the facility. If
it was a TV on in the facility, it was
highlight clips of us beating down one of those guys, right,
and to you know two years later it was twenty
three years later really to go down there and then
kind of have that moment that stadium, which is usually
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a really hostile place to play, Like, don't get how
tough it is to player, and like it's it is
very hard to player, but like getting that moment and
you know, him going in there and saying that, I
feel like it's definitely every every time they play those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now, I feel like his clip has to be.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Up on that highlight of him just saying based on football,
like it has to be a running clip every week
when that that game comes up.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
From now, I just think that it has to be
for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Oh it's it's gonna be a highlight clip on both
sides though, man, because I mean, you got so many
old Utah coaches over on the b YU side too,
and I mean I know how Kyle has been over
the years with taking taking a quote and uh and
using his bulletin board material.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Very true, very true, but.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Casing point k and then and then we'll get to these.
This is this is one of my all time favorite
witting things. So did you ever hear about the time.
It was Whittingham's first or second year? Okay, and the
Wyoming coach at the time, Joe Glenn, he was at
his student assembly. Kay, he guaranteed a victory against Utah. Wow,
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and before social media was prominent, Right, it gets out,
Kyle finds out about it, Utahs thumping them. Utah comes
out at halftime and I want to say they.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Were like up by forty or something like that, or
it was like high thirties. Right. He kicks an onsitees
kick to prove a point and Joe Glenn Utah.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Ends up not getting it because like one of the
guys was you know, just off size or didn't go
far enough.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Joe Glenn walks out on the field, goes by the
hash marks, waits for Kyle to be looking at him,
flips him off and just stands there holding it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So Kyle and the bulletin board material, like I said,
like that that is it's his comment is gonna live
in infamy with this rivalry for years, and it's gonna
be something that you fans and Utah players laugh at
and BYU players and BYU coaches just take and try
to get pissed off over. Oh man, well dude, so
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let's let's do this, Bud so u ESPNK.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He wants to know your personal greatest moment in your
Utah career and also your NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Career personal greatest moment at Utah. Uh Man. Probably. Shoot,
that's a great question, geez.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So I don't want to go with the you know,
the regular answer that people think of. It's obviously the
Arizona State game and breaking that record, but I think
just being maybe twenty eighteen was the year for me
where I felt the best overall, and I felt like
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that was gonna be Like I would have broke the
record that year, and I wouldn't have, you know, if
I didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But I think.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
USC game that year, in the seventeen twenty seventeen game
for me were the big ones that stand out just
because of the mental aspects of the game for me,
Like so first year, you know, I play here and
there scatterly stuff like that, and then seventeen, coming off
(09:43):
of a broken arm in the spring game, and then
I didn't really figure it out until like week four
or five in the first game where I was like, Okay,
I can do this, and like I'm sorry for the
rest of the guys behind me because they're not getting
it back.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What's the USC game when we went down there and
where I.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Had one hundred and about fifty yards or something like
that didn't score, which sucks, but but that was the
game I walked out of there. I came every one
and lost that game. But you know, it was one
of those plays where people love the when I ran
over the linebacker. But that game was probably my favorite moment.
(10:29):
I remember that, Yeah that partly. That game is probably
my favorite moment just because of what it started.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Like if I look.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Back ten years, twenty years from now, right, yeah, which
has already almost been closer to ten years than not time. Yeah,
but like if when I look back twenty years from now,
that game versus SC in twenty seventeen at the Coliseum, right,
It's what started everything for me, having the s sess
(10:59):
I had and then catapult me to go into the
NFL and stuff like that. So that's my garest moment,
the greatest moment in the NFL probably just all the
success that our teams had, honestly, because at that level
it's not always about you know, the personal things that
you can accomplish or not accomplished. But like, you know,
being in Buffalo and going and win our division for
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three years in a row was really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And now they's when it maybe five or six times
down the row.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
But like those things and having those moments in the
locker rooms, things that you don't forget, you know, And
mainly because for me in college, we we all we
wanted to South I want to say definitely in my
last two years, but we didn't win the pack to
a championship game, right, So obviously in college don't you
don't celebrate the division, you know, in the South Division,
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like we never celebrate.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was never something that where you know, you had
that moment.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You get the T shirts, you get football, but it's
you know, saying what you accomplished and you're visiting champs.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You didn't get those moments. So my first time ever.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Having that locker room moment where god, you know, it's
loud as hell, people are throwing water Gatoray in there, celebrating,
having a great time getting to put on those shirts
right was in the NFL when I was my time
in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So that's probably my favorite.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Moment, just having that that moment with everybody in locker room,
knowing that you've accomplished something that it's very hard to
do because once I left Buffalo, I never won the
division title again, and so that's really hard to do.
And it seems like, you know whatever, because it's not
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an AFC championship.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
We you know, go to.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
The super Bowl something like that. But doing those things
at that level is just really hard to do.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It is, man.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
It is like you could you could end up in
the conference you know, in the conference championship game one year,
and then be picking in the top ten the next
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's that's how That's how fast it changes.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, it could get ugly. You're really fast. Man.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
So those were probably, you know, two of my favorite.
Those definitely the two moments where I can look back
on and just kind of have remember exactly where I
was and what I felt like in those moments for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Nice Well let's see here, man, Let's let's do another one. Here,
So Razzie ute fan kay, he says, my favorite ute,
my favorite you'd ever Thanks for being a beast for us.
My daughter met you at a Dutch bros. If that
would even ring a bell for you. So, uh, after
your experience and playing on Sunday, what does Utah need
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to do to get out of the slump of the
last two years to be back in contention for the
conference championships?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, shout out to Bros.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
I love that good place, so you know, maybe they'll
work with us, who knows, but uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think the main thing is just to been the injuries.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think the talent has been there. You just got
an injury to the talent, which it's never going to
help right when you are losing your QB one or
RB one or whatever one at that position and you're
now depending on the third and fourth guy maybe even
to walk on. It's gonna be hard because the talent level,
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you know, is it can be a big gap once
you start getting down there into your deep, into your
depth chart. So I think the main thing is just
is these guys can stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I think that's been the main talk for the last
two years. Get these guys healthy. I think the school
has been changing things and how they probably you know,
work these guys out in the wintertime and you know,
springtime and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like that and get these guys healthy.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But then they also it's a big part of the players, right,
you got to take care of your body, you know,
just as if you were pro, even though you're not
a pro.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But you got to figure out what that thing out.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
And hopefully, like I said, just both of those things
come together and injuries happen. Hopefully we just don't get
that many happening. Hopefully it's like scattered or even none,
be even better. But I think that's the main thing.
Just injuries cut them down and let that be on
our side this year. And I mean, these guys they
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have the talent. Man, it's not a team where they
don't have the talent. They have the talent. It's got
to go out and do it and you know.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Be helping absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah. I mean you talked about the injuries one of
one of my favorite sound bites on our forty eight
hour Role podcast, which if anybody hasn't heard that yet,
go to our YouTube page, find it and just dive
right into it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You'll you'll love it.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But when when you made the comment about you go
from QB one to QB sixteen, help that way, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Like being on QB four man, I come into that game,
you know, and we're hanging in there, but you know,
so you can just see the game slipping away just
off the QB play alone. I believe one of those guys,
I want to say maybe his last name was Rolls,
got injured in that game and he was playing pretty
well in that moment in time. And you know, like
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like I said in our forty hour podcast, you know,
when you lose quarterbacks over and over, that can be
depleted into a team, right, And that's the main reason,
you know, and like and I've played with two of
you know, top five quarterbacks in NFL with it being
Burrow and Josh Allen, Like, you do everything you possibly can.
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Everybody in the building, everybody, I mean, to the cafeteria people,
to whoever it may be, like, everybody almost plays a
role in keeping these guys healthy because you know, it
is a big drop off.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Even though everybody is talented in their own rights, it
is a.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Big drop off when you go from you know, your
QB one who's face of the franchise, absolutely no doubt, right,
and then you go down a few levels trying to
figure that out. You know, you can miss the playoffs
like that and work for what happened to us, Like
we're not ranting twenty five coming into the season where
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we know easily we should be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You miss out on playoff contention, you miss out on
the winner of the division, all those different things. So yeah,
I mean, just let's let's figure out the injuries and
find a way to keep that to the side a
little bit, and it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Will be will be really good.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And the game that you're talking about. What's what's even
crazier to add the layer to that and talking about
the injuries, right, is Rose has actually gotten hurt in
the in the b YU game, right, and so he
he took over the job from Isaac. Isaac hadn't It
wasn't because Isaac was hurt, right, you know. So Rose
comes in, he's doing well, gets hurt, you know, play
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tries playing through the rest of that game, not you know,
not able to do everything that was making them effective,
you know, and so then you have to turn the
back to Wilson, you know, you know for the Iowa
State game, which that's tough on anybody, psyche, right, uh,
you know, and then he goes down because Iowa State
was doing a bunch of dirty, dirty tactics. They I
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mean I remember talking to Mackai Bernard and they'd be
down in a pile and they'd still be twisting their legs, right,
And that's that's what happened to Isaac. He goes out
and then you thought, goes to QB five But Tari
and uh man, that was that was just it was
It was insane, man.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, that was a good just full of everything of
what that season was. It was just hit, have to
hit at that position. But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
interesting to be Okay to year, we're gonna put that
in the air. Interest to be great this year and
those guys are gonna do some really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
They're bound to have a year of injury luck basically, right,
I mean, y yeah, I look back at it, like
so Utah is twenty seventeen. Many they were so riddled
with injuries that wasn't even funny. But the benefit to
that was it ended up giving so many other guys
like all these extra reps and then look what happened
for him in two thousand and eight with the Sugar Bowl,
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you know, so it's it's gonna be interesting to see
what happens this year. I mean, granted, it's a different
era where fifty percent of the rosters new right, and
we talked about that in the forty eight hour podcast
as well. But let's kick into some other stuff here, man, So,
Salt City Sports, what is our biggest weakness on the
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offense this year and defense? And how do you feel
like we can overcome them?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Biggest weakness on offense, I want to say a weakness.
I think it's more of like I said, the team
is talented. I don't think they have a pool of
guys at a position group that is just you know,
so much far off.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Then you know.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
There's other other groups and stuff like that, and that
goes for east side. But I mean defense to me, honestly,
probably doesn't have a weakness. Maybe you know, maybe cornerback play, which,
like I said, I'm not I haven't heard much about
the cornerback play and as you can tell me if
I'm missing something there. But on offense, I think there's
no real weakness. I think we kind of just have
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to see who are what group is going to develop
into that group, right, and then you can play off
of that group, right like if it's a strong run game,
which can happen, right like. And I think the main
thing is is why it's hard for me to say
a weakness is because those groups aren't established. The one
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receiver room is established right to go. It could be
this guy's week. It could be this guy's week. It
could be this guy's week.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, it's not a set stone.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Okay, this is our guy, main targets, main carries whatever whatever.
So I think that's the basically who's gonna what group
is going to develop into the group that where now the.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Offense, how to play calls are going to come in,
is going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Focused around those different things, right Like I've played on
teams where our passing game is what we did right
and that dictated every single thing we did.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Then first second down, third down, fourth down, where we're
out on.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
The field, you know we're gonna go for field goal
or not, Like, all those different things matter and just
depends on the group who is has developed into the
group that the offensive coaches are going to trust the
most as the season.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Goes on, so there's no weakness. I think we just
need to see who we're gonna who's gonna be coming
to that, who's going.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
To flourish in those worlds as a position group, And
that's gonna be awesome to see because we're gonna be
able to see it Saturday. That'd be the first chance
we need to see who's gonna step up and take
the reins because the first impression is the best impression.
So you know, if it's the running backs, that's great
that I mean, they don't have a really good year.
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And if it's the receivers, that's great as long as
everything turns to wins. You know, guys are playing commentary football,
which coach with is a huge, huge one is offense
helping the SPUSS teams, SPOS team using defense and everybody
helping each other, which makes it you know, flipping the
field and making things a lot harder for everybody else
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as the opponents.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So we'll see.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Who develops, and you know, that's I think that's the
best way to kind of look at it because, like
you said, so many new faces, right, you don't have
any turnover from last year essentially outside of your office
a line to some degree on the off side of the ball.
But defense, I would yeah, definitely, no witnesses on the defense.
You got a lot of turnover there. You got a
lot of guys that played by the ball, coach Kelly.
(23:05):
You know, when you have that continuity on that deep
side the ball where you have the same coaches, right,
really coming back in every year, you know, things stay
the same when it comes to the offense. You're changing
offense now, you know, changing offense, changing the coordinator, You're
changing the running back coach, You're changing the receivers coach,
You're changing like they're changing so many different things. I
think coach Harden to be the only person on that
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side of the ball who was kind of out lastly
maybe four or five different offensive coordinators in the last
ten years, right, So I think that's the main thing
that's the biggest thing to kind of look for, is
just that turnover. And you know, with this new offense,
who's going to develop as the season goes along for sure?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know, And you mentioned something right there that I
want to ask you about, and I'm you know, I'm
going off track with some of the Q and A
questions sometimes, so there's probably gonna be something that I
don't get to, so I'm gonna feel bad for everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They're still playing time throughout the season to be able
to be doing these things too. Right, you mentioned hardy Okay,
now now real, real fast people. Before that, you know,
you had kind of made a comment to me about
interjecting on something.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I agree with you. Offensively, there's not really weaknesses, there's questions. Right.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Defensively pretty much the same thing, but you did kind
of mention stuff. With the cornerbacks, Blake Cotton has really
emerged to go along with Scooby Davis and Smith Nooden.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
They've got other guys.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
A wild card within this entire group is Jackson Benny,
who is a red shirt freshman walk who walked onto
the team and has just blown up. Man. I last
I heard, he runs right around a four four forty.
He's got an insane vertical. He was one of the
stars of h he was one of the stars of
spring ball and all that. So there's there's talent within.
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You know, the secondary you just you gotta you gotta
see it through and that's something that you know, you
trust shref Shaw, you trust Morgan Scalley, right, but you
mentioned Okay, I want you to answer this, and again
I'm bearing from the questions because this is important because
everybody needs to understand this. Okay, there are times throughout
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the years where everybody gets frustrated early on and people
have their opinions about Jim Harding because maybe the offensive
line starts slow, or maybe the offensive line is the
position that just turns into the whipping voice of the offense. Right,
to me, that's that's not justified. It's it's unfair talk
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to everybody about how important Jim Harding is and you
know why some of those things can maybe take some
time sometimes and it's not necessarily something that he should
be blamed for.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's the proof is in
the put in. Honestly, it's a reason he's been held.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Over over and over and over. Right, It's not because
of favoritism or you know X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Right, it's always just like coaching is the X man up,
Like if somebody can do that job better then the
guy who's currently doing it, then you know that happens.
But you know, I think it's a lot of different
things to kind of look at to why that can
happen sometimes, Right, you can have injuries throughout training camp,
you can have injuries throughout springball kind of things that
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doesn't allow you to see that that that group.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Of guys at their best, right.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Like, like I said, I've played football for a long
time and the office line have always been my best friends.
So I know when it's five guys and they're all playing,
they're all healthy for weeks on end, right months on end,
where they're all that they know, Hey, okay, my guy
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my left guard, right, I'm the center.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
My left guard isn't the greatest doing X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Right, But when you got an injury there and bring
in another guy, they have to learn each other, right
because they are one.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It's like think of your They're just one big thing, right, And.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
As soon as you have one guy that has really
bad weaknesses, teams can exploit that at a high level.
So I think that's very challenging as a coach, is
especially as the officer line coach, because your receiver coach
got one guy, he's making all decisions about whatever he's
going to do. Right, quarterbacks, same thing, running back, the
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same thing to some degree officer line.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They work as a group.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
If you ever have been around defensive alignment or you
know everybody watching, if you ever heard defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Alignments say, we rush as a group.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Because it's true, right, one d lineman can't wreck a
game by himself, right. You see guys like an Aaron
Donald or even the block us to trade today with
Michael Parsons. All of these guys will tell you right
that their success isn't off of just their own peer talent.
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They have to have guys doing certain things and then
doing that their best to get these things done.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right. I've played with Von.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Miller, right and kind of just hearing how he talks
about it, and you see the way defense defensive coaches
and kind of scheme things up for these guys. If
it's swamming it, it's you know, you know, holding the guy,
you know, manipulating the office line so that this guy
uh can get around and do something that's a group effort. Right.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So same thing with the office a line.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
These guys are one big group and they all have
to be on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And that's harder to coach, right.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
And it's a lot of times where you see defensive
line coaches get fired, right, because in the trenches, the
game is won in the trenches, no matter. You know,
if it's the early two thousands where everybody's running the
ball you got all these thousands of ars backs in
the NFL, right, or if it's you know now where
you got everybody throwing the ball all over the field
and running backs kind of don't matter anymore, right, It
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doesn't really matter about the skill physicians. At the end
of the day, you can't do any of those different
things without the officer a defensive line, right. So that's
harder to coach, in my opinion, And I think that's
you know, from playing and being around you know the
game for as long as I have. It's just seeing
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and understanding. Okay, this group is a group of guys
doing something with one mission, right, And that's harder to
coach because you have four guys that you have to
pray and hope do the right thing each and every
time they step on the field, right, shooting the right gap,
doing this and that. That that's harder to coach, I think.
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But like I said, to my point, coach Harden has
been there for the longest on that side of the ball.
For a reason because he understands it. And at the
end of the day, if it's a slow start or
it's a bad ending, there is some point in time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Where there's a hell of a good stretch.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Right and every running back was played there, the quarterback
has played there.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know, they've been.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Able to be successful to some degree because Coach Harden's
had those guys ready.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
To play right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
It may not have been you know, you know the
type of office line they have now right where you got
all these you know, you know they are projected to
do so many great things, which is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But he does the best work with the guys.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
That he continues to gets in and out of there,
and he's put a lot of guys in the NFL.
Guys are still playing in the NFL right now from
those groups that he's put together.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Absolutely, he's I mean, honestly, he's going to go down
when when he's done with Utah, he's going to end
up being one of the one of the best offensive
coaches the Utah has ever had, you know, just with
any position group, right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I don't know if this was one of your
years or not, but.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It's safe to say he is one of very very
few coaches that can get get scolded on the sidelines
by waiting halm and look at him and then say
well then and fire me.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, I think one of the coach Coach Hardy definitely
uh can go zero to one hundred for sure. And
he's definitely one of the coaches that doesn't mind kind
of having that moment on the sideline, which coach wit
which is a certain passion that not a lot of
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people who have coached along coach would have to that
degree to go at him on them and you know,
and you know out there, but again that makes those.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Guys in that room want to go even harder.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
For him because they understand, you know, just how much
he cares about the game, but even you know, the
things I was able to see just how much he
cares about those guys off the field, right like, you know,
just guys, the things that he does for those guys
off the field. Just knowing that they can trust him
and believe in him, you know, that's that's a big
thing as well, when you're a coach and having this
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players trust you and wanted to put out all online
for you each and every week.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
For sure, So we'll run through a few more of these.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I think we'll save probably a bunch for like a
week or two from now, man, just because again, you know,
there's plenty of people that chimed in on stuff, and
you know, you, you and me will kind of go
off of one of those questions.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's just it's just a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That means it's a great question.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
So yeah, asking all these really good questions that you know,
get us into different parts of different storylines and stuff
like that. Which is I mean, that's when you know
you got a good question. If the questions just make
you say yeah or no, probably not a good question.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Oh gosh, I'm trying to think back to who were
maybe some of the worst guys to interview over the years,
because I mean, dude, I've done this for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So but here's here's a here's the by you want
to was actually referencing earlier.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Okay, so Utah Football Stats and Analysis said what was
going through your head during this nine minute drive when
you ran.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Out the clock after the rain delay?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And then it said did you and Huntley really eat
rice crispies and oranges?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Uh? Man? That was the twenty nineteen game. Yeah, senior year.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That was an insane drive man.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Well, the funny thing about that is now that I
think about it, like I haven't thought about that game forever.
But so I come back right from Tormentiscus. That's why
he was the first game of the year. Come back
from the Tormentiscus, and I'm practicing, but I'm not really practicing.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, a ton they're kind of monitoring everything I'm
kind of doing.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And I ended up breaking my hand. I broke a bone,
one of my bones in my hand in practice, and
I'm like, just my luck, right, just you know, just
the whole thing about New York running back, you come
back another year, kind of take more.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Wear and tear stuffing on.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
So I break my hand early in camp, and I'm
not I can't remember how if it was like a
big story or not, or like how well we kept
that in the wraps, but you know, I did that,
and I wasn't sure how the hell I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Play this game coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
But we figured a way to put like some little,
you know, material underneath my gloves.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So technically I'm playing with.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
A broken bone in my hand, in my dominant hand
at that. So my right hand, I'm playing with a
with a with a broken bone in my dominant hand,
and I'm just coming back off of a knee surgery
and I've never had a.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You know, some of the back torn, so I don't.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Even know how that feels coming back into your first
live game. And so I was like so many questions
going into that game, but getting to the so everything
I did that game, you know, it was kind of
more just a blur almost. I don't even really remember
being in that moment in time really because I was
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just like trying to block out a hand thing and
block out the knee thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And you know, all those metal hurdles.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But to your point, getting that nine minute drive in
that moment in time, I never knew it was nine minutes, right, Like,
all I knew was that we came back out of
the uh the delay. I think it was a rain
delay or something like that, right storm, and we come
back out of that, and yeah, we were eating I
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would think I was eating oranges for sure. I'm not
a big rice prispy guy, so my memory might not
serve me well. But I'm not a big rice prispy guy.
So but yeah, we were having snacks. They were trying
to keep us, you know, hydrated and you know kind
of have some food in us and stuff like that,
just because that that delay was a while.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It wasn't it was. It wasn't just a all right,
twenty thirty minutes.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
We're back out there, like when you're playing a whole
game and all those juices and everything is flowing and
you just stop abruptly like that, and then you sit down.
And if you've been in the visit's locker room, to
visit the locker room, it's never the nice locker room, right, So.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We're in there, kind of cramped up, people sitting on
the floor. We're all in full pass.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You don't want to take them off like we're going
through it a little bit, but we're still trying to
stay engage. So yeah, definitely, it was a lot of
rice Krispies and oranges in the locker room. Me personally,
I was an orange guy and I was killing those off.
So we go back out in that drive. Man, Like
I said, I didn't even know it was nine minutes,
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so I wasn't even thinking about anything. I just knew
that we were calling a lot of run plays and
I don't even know I had the energy and the
standard honestly to continue to kind of just run the.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Way I did.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
All I know is I remember back at that in
that same nine minute drive where I was pissed and
my running back coach was pissed, Coach McDonald, where I
had a run where I kind of was doing a
little bit too much, you know you kind of because
I don't even think I had a two yard run
in that like I was getting five to six kind
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of almost every single run.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We were just those big guys in front us small
than them, killing them. And our receiver was doing a
great job as well.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
But I had a run where I was doing a
little too much and I could have had a touchdown
way before.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I had to touch down.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think I remember that.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
And I missed it just because I jumped outside one
time off of something I thought was going to happen
and I missed it. But yeah, that nine men drive
was crazy looking back at it and thinking about having
seen it. But that game was just crazy. That was
a good b YU defense. I thought the offense wasn't much,
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but the defense, the defense was pretty good. And if
I'm understanding that's the game couple he tried to play
for something.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, and he wasn't ready. Everybody could see it kept swelling.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
But he was not going to miss that game because
I think it was his obviously it would have been
his first game versus by U since obviously you know,
maybe twenty fifteen before you're on his mission and it's acting.
He was like, I'm not missing this game, and he
went out there trying to move any damn sure couldn't.
But yeah, that nut Drivers was pretty cool when you
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look back at it. But again, that goes to a
lot of that goes to coach Harding and the big
guys are front, because that takes a lot of you know,
brain power to continue to be doing the same things
and getting to your keys and getting and getting to
the right guys and moving guys off the ball because
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same way they're tired, those big guys up, they're tired
as hell as well, and they kept moving those guys.
Me to you know, have this moment to talk about,
you know, something that we did a couple of years ago,
and being a non minute drive.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
For sure, man, dude, I don't know what you have
against Rice Crispies, man, but they hanged.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
I mean nothing against them. I just it's so many
snacks in the world that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You can eat, and yeah, that's like on the bottom
tier for me.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I was never a big Rice Crispy guy, but like
my mom would make these frosted flake ones with peanut
butter and h and marshmallow and that that stuff's addicting.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, but Rice crispies I feel I feel you on
that one, dude. The rain delay on that What was
crazy is like all the b YU fans went and
like got in you know, cover right, A whole bunch
of the Youte fans just all gathered together, went down
right towards the field and like there's music playing. Everybody's
just dancing around in the rain, just belting out the songs.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You could you can tell who's having a better time. Yeah, uh,
let's see here, man, dude. So one of these questions
is a little bit similar. So instead of you answering
this one, I want you to just give a shout
out to everybody's favorite youth fan, Squeaky staff Man.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
She's a she's a gem. Yeah, she's she's awesome. I Mean,
I can't remember a game where I didn't walk out
of right ecles and she wasn't outside waiting to greet us.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So that was really cool when you think about somebody.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Who's just that committed to the team and the success
of the players, and I mean even throughout the NFL,
like she's always messaging me on Instagram just kind of
just wishing us love. So you know, that's that's really cool.
She's a really really cool lady. And I've gotten me
your kids as well, maybe maybe last year, uh out
(40:55):
in front of the Price cycles again ironically right, But
she's she's she's a huge supporters.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
J Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I don't know many guys that don't love her support
and it's definitely appreciated.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That's awesome, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
So Mike Austin wants to know how can we get
more Florida kids up to Utah.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Ah, Man, that's a that's a good one. Well, now
it's really easy. I think that's that's Uh it's three
letters that kind of will make certain things and certain
people come from different states, uh In I l so
that will kind of handle a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
But I think the main thing is, Man, you know,
you talked so far away.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I was lucky to even come here just because of
coach Dennis Erison, who had ties in Miami obviously being
you know, head coach at the University of Miami down
there and stuff like that, and still having connections and
him understanding that that's a big place for football. And
you know, so every guy that play that you told
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that I was that was from Florida, even like a
couple of years before I got there was a direct
hit from coach Erickson. And you know, when he left,
it got really hard, right to keep getting guys back
from Florida. But because you saw mainly two main hubs
obviously would be Texas and California. You've had a lot
(42:24):
of success there, and this is really hard to get
guys from out of Floda coming that far away, and
you know a lot of different other things as well.
But it's I think it can be easier now. I mean,
I get it, and I did no nil. So I
think if you have NIL and you got a kid
from Miami or kid from anywhere in Florida that you want,
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you know, just got to figure that nil part out
and you can get anybody you want. Man from Ohio
State doesn't it's not from Ohio state.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And the NIL.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Still it's going to be a fun conversation for another day,
right because it's it was really interesting at first, Like
I remember somebody like Sly absolutely hated it. Right now
now he's on board with it, even though he still
hates it, you know, but I love a lot of
the different ideas some of the guys have, Like you know,
with some of the conversations that me and Sly have had,
He's like, you know, I would be more on board
(43:18):
with it if they did something with giving them a
certain percentage and putting the rest in a trust until
they graduated, you know, and took like financial responsibility classes
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Right, you know. And so it's yeah, I mean NIL
is so out of control.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
And yeah again like so many people like you just
barely missed it, you know.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, well we will definitely need to well we
would definitely touch on that on the next forty eight
hour podcast, so you guys definitely don't want to miss that,
and kind of just hear our takes on NIL. What
could have been done right, just opinions and what could
have made some sense and then kind of just where
is that now and kind of give a better inside
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look you know, from guys who have played it and
things like that and kind of seeing how that affects
teams and the success that you can have and can't have.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So don't want to miss that one.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Next way our part, we'll be speaking about that absolutely
at some point for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Good good topic, man, good topic. So a bunch of
different people have asked this one, okay, Weshawn Parker.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
You know, so instead of just shouting out a.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Bunch of the names, because there there's been a bunch
asking so plenty of people think he kind of reminds
them of I mean that he kind of reminds.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Them of you.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
What is it that you see in with Shawn Parker
that you really like and what are your expectations for him?
I know one thing that you noted on the forty
eight hour podcast is you know, you're you're not ready
to anoint him as the guy at running back yet.
But a lot of that is also just because you
want to see him in game action any Utah uniform.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean it's not even that I don't want to
annoy them like me.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Personally, right, It's more so the coaches haven't at that
position fully yet, right.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like you know, and.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
I think he's really good. I think with with with
the quarterback than Pier right, and you're putting a guy
like that who has he does have some resembments more
of a similar body type, right, And when you get
guys with body types that I have, you know, like
I've watched the guys that I thought had similar life types,
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you know, Aaron Foster or Marshall Lan's like those guys
that I watched a lot of football one because I
thought that was very similar. Like, he's not's not a
tall He's not a really tall guy maybe five nine,
maybe five etish, So that's gonna limit you know, your shry, right,
So that means if that limits your stry, that means
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you probably have a really good balance. So you know,
I can see him having really good balance. He has
a receptional speed. I think the main thing, which will
be something that I'm looking forward to, will be how
we catches the ball out of the backfield, right, Like
I said, Like, that's gonna be a big thing because
in the offenses that I played in, there wasn't a
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lot of ask for runner backs for us to catch
the ball at the backfield, which I wish you would
have done a little bit more of and hopefully he
gets a chance to do that, because one, that's only
going to help the team right by hisself overall, but
then that's also going to help him with dreads and
his aspirations going to NFL being able to be a
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guy who is labeled who can do two things right.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And I think he's going to play with a quarterback
who can do that.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
He's going to play with often the coordinator who's smart
enough to understand that this dude also can get in space,
and we can get this guy in space and create
different ways for me to get the ball and not
just running between tackles. That's just going to make the
offense even more explosive in so many different ways. So
you know, I'm looking forward to seeing what he what
he does, and you know, I think he is RB
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one currently I would assume, but I say, yeah, we
just got to see it on on Saturday and every
week after that. But you definitely have the tools. It's
definitely not from lack of tools or lack of anything else.
Hopefully the coach stabs is you know, I want to
really see them throw the ball to the back a
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little bit more because that just make them even more
dynamic and what he can do and it'll helped off
us a.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Lot, all right, Zach. So this next one here, man,
it's from biased you. I'm really kind of curious on
this one. I know you and me have talked about
a certain guy.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I doubt that he would be in your top five,
but it would have been interesting to see where it
would have gone, right and Ty Jordan, But biased you
wants to know who are your top five Utah running
back at all time. Obviously there might be a little
bit more recency bias for you. But at the same
time too, I mean, I know that you know enough
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about Utah history when it comes to that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, guys on the top of my head. And it's
kind of it's.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Kind of hard to do it just because more recently
we've had more guys that are been you know.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
A year, maybe two years, year and a half, that
haven't been in the program for a longer period of time.
So the numbers probably won't reflect a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
But guys that I know that we're always constantly talked about,
and that kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Had more of not an impact on me.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
But just like you know, like I said, like more
just talked about so the impact was always in my head,
just like hearing those different names and kind of understanding
the guys who right before you, even a couple of
years behind that you were essentially chasing to some degree respect.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Of the coaches and the fans and all that type
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
But I think, you know guys like that. Dante Booker
was a guy where like I said, he caught the
ball quite a bit out of the backfield in his time,
and he could run involved very well. John White was
really good.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, John White was really good. Uhh. I mean.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
I think this is Eddie Johnson was stud Yeah, Eddie
Eddie Johnson. Obviously he held the regular for quite a bit.
Uh So you can't leave him off of there.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I think Tide definitely would have had.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
An opportunity to be in that list, you know, if
circumstances were different, you definitely had a chance to be
in that list for sure. I think Mattiato was really
good in the style offenses that they had. Then.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, I don't know if I can name five.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Joe Williams is really good, that last stretch man, but
it's really hard for me to put him in the
top five.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Right, that's just me. I just I don't I don't know.
But there's a ton of guys.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Like I said, it's just it's harder for me, just
because we didn't have a ton of guys that had
a lot.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Of turnover year after year after year. But still we
got a lot of good dudes.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Man that How familiar are you with Chris Mafall Chris Fua?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Does that ring a bell?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
No? It rings a bell her game. But I've never seen,
you know, game film. Like all the guys I named,
I've seen the film and I kind of seen things
from those guys, but I've never seen his stuff.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
He carved out a great NFL backup career, backing up
Jerome Bettis Kay had his times where you step in
as a starter here and there, but he had a
bunch of of I mean, he's stuck in the league
that long because I mean he fit the same mold
as as the bus and just backed him up.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
He played in the NFL at two hundred and forty
five pounds. Okay, when he was at Utah, he was
anywhere from sixty five. They're three hundred pounds. So you
obviously remember Ron Dane, right, Yeah, So him and Ron
Dane played in a Bowl game one time, and I
think both of them ended up getting hurt in the game.
(51:31):
But Chris had gone home that year in between to Hawaii,
k comes back gained all this weight. Myth is he
was right around three hundred pounds, sprains his ankle because
of it, right like first or second quarter, and then
the highly built matchup was nothing but that dude would
like he was getting yards after yards at two hundred
(51:54):
and seventy five pounds consistently, like three four guys just
like draped on him and he's still rounding and dragging
them five to ten yards.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Dude, that guy playing that we yeah, yeah, I'll have to.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
You'll have to look him up or I'll have to
try to find some highlights for you because oh my
yea god man, there was a there was a legendary poster.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
It was he's a truck year old kill.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
He's a truck all right?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Five?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, for sure, Oh man, we'll shoot dude, you know what,
Let's let's go ahead and wrap it on that we can.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
We can kind of come back.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'll mark some of these be able to come back
to them over the next couple of weeks. Man. You know,
like like you've mentioned, everybody, I love it and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
We've got you all season, dude. It's gonna be fun, man.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
So all the different things we'll be able to come
up with, and you know, some of the ideas will
be changing, but just take it and roll with it
and give the fans what they want, right.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yep, yep. Hopefully we get a lot of wins and
you know, once we come on and every week, you know,
we'll be talking about wins.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Right. We're talking about a lot of highlights and not
a lot of logs for our use this year.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
So, like I said, you know, make sure you guys
like to subscribe, make sure you guys share. Let people
know that this is the part where you want to be.
We got some really good guys on here talking about
the good ball.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's gonna be a lot of fun. So, you know,
make sure you guys stay tuned in with us.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Uhh, welcome to the players left. Yeah, we know the moment, man,
it can't compare due to the obvious. People look at
me and then they're envious and they're the ones that
be grinning and acting the friendliest.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, things are moving in.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
The right direction. Making sure I'm keeping things up in
the right perspective.
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