Ep. 7 - Thoughts on Utah's New Look Offense

UteNation.com's Alex Markham is joined by a panel of former players to discuss the breakout performance by the new look Utah offense on Saturday.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the forty eight Hour Role, a Ute Nation podcast.
The forty eight Hour Role is now in effect. Well,
last week had a lot of good response, you know,
a lot of great conversation on this, a lot of
great response from the fans afterwards. We appreciate everybody. I
want to continue to encourage everybody to hit that like
and subscribe. You know, we're gonna have a lot of

(00:21):
great content this year. Again. I'm your host Alex Markham
this week, and I got my boy Derek Toumyonga with
me again, my boy Zach Moss here again, and uh,
good old my boy Wesley Tonga joining us this week. Man, Wesley,
it's been a minute. How are you, bud.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm doing well, man, it's been a while, but glad
to be back, absolutely, man.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Uh, you know for the ones that have followed over
the years. You know, Wesley's been on these podcasts with
me in the past, just like Derek had been as well.
And uh, you know, looking forward to uh, you know,
just cashing up with him again a little bit more
and having a little bit more fun and you know,
just talking about these experiences like we were talking about
last week, and you know, talking about the football team

(01:07):
and what lies ahead. So now before I kick into everything,
all right, you know, I'm gonna gonna make a brief
you know, obviously thing with ring of honor coming up
this weekend, right, boys, So we got Roy Jefferson, all
American wide receiver from the sixties, well well deserved honor.
One of the greatest wide receivers the school has ever seen.

(01:27):
He was part of the Liberty Bowl team that you
had back in the sixties. Okay, and the legendary Ron
McBride Coach Mack. So, you know, gonna gonna throw this
hat on honor my boy, good old MAPU right here, right,
and yeah, you know during this podcast, any of you

(01:48):
guys that have had experiences with you know, obviously he's
been around the program here and there the last bunch
of years, you know, just and just kind of a
advisory kind of overseeing standpoint. You know, they're there to
give advice or give crap whenevery whenever he feels like. Right,
But man, coach Mac, you know, when it comes down
to it, love to hear some of you guys on this.

(02:09):
He he is the foundation of the program, right He
started that thing. Urban lit the torch and Kyle has
just ignited that much more and just ran with it
and made it what it is today.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, well I'll kind of kick off on Coach Mac. Obviously,
congratulations to both. That's that's definitely a unique honor. But
with Coach Mac in particular, he actually was coaching at
Weaver State West. I don't even know if if you
had any interaction with Mac when he was at Weaver State,
but when I was in high school, he took over

(02:43):
that head coaching role and so actually was recruiting for
for whatever that amounted to when he was at Weaver State,
and uh, just ever since then, like he's always just
been one of the you know, one of those coaches
that just truly understood that unique Polynesian coach bond and

(03:05):
had lived it all the way from his time coaching
at the utes to when he was that we were
stayed to now right, and so you know, obviously detagraph
for all of us Polony who have benefit from his
pipeline that I believe he was the root of, you know,
that's transpired to what I believe much of our success

(03:29):
as a culture in this sport beyond just Utah.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
You look at his web of influence.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
You see Kilani at by U things like that, like
to me that that has so much to do with
coach mac obviously not solely, but he's had a role
in that. So I think it would be inappropriate not
to address that and to say thank you, uh for that,
But that's my piece.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, Coach Mack has a great unifying effect among really
all the former players, universally respected. Definitely deserves the Ring
of Honor. I've heard stories of him since I was
a little kid. My older sister played volleyball up there,
up at the U, and so the connection to the
Polynesian community is very very strong, very very healthy, and

(04:18):
like he definitely deserves it. Having spent a lot of
my adult life just kind of rubbing shoulders with him
from time to time, he always shows love. He's just
just a great unifier and just a great man in general.
So I'm really happy for.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, coach Coach MCA. You know, every time I've had
a chance to run into him and up at the
U and stuff like that, he's always been just one
of those guys with just so much love pouring from
him and you could just tell he's always super happy
to be there, and you know, obviously I love that
the school has started inducting these type of people into

(04:53):
and putting them up there in the stadium and things
like that in Hall of Fame, you know, Athletics Decide
and stuff like that, because we have so many people
who've done a lot of good things at this school.
So it's awesome to see that tradition being started, obviously
with Alex Smith being the first guy, and now you're
seeing more guys go in and get acknowledged for a
lot of the different things that they've been able to

(05:14):
do and getting it forever right, you know. So it's
it's that's a really cool thing with Roy Jefferson obviously
not a name that a lot of people kind of
probably know from the sixties, but you know, like seeing
all the history about him and kind of where he was,

(05:36):
where he came from, being in Compton and you think
about the sixties African American right and then come into
Utah and probably what that looked like as well at
the same time, and still being able to go out
there with that with the mindset to have that focus
and go out there and compete and be one of
the best, you know, guys and have the test also
in the NFL. He's not in the Hall of Fame

(05:59):
yet in the NFL, which is you know something hopefully
he'll be able to receive and stuff like that. But
I'm happy that the school is is honoring these guys
the right way who've done a lot of stuff while
wearing at U inside of their helmets.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Absolutely. Man, I'm glad that you kind of spoke a
little bit more in depth on Roy as well, because
I remember back in nineteen ninety three, I want to
say it was the Copper Bowl, or it could have
been ninety four at the Freedom Bawl, but but you know,
I remember being at an event and everybody say, Hey,
that's Roy Jefferson. That's Roy Jefferson, you know, and you know,
so it's cool to see somebody that like back then

(06:39):
that was still so beloved. And that was thirty years later,
right and now you know, it's another thirty years later,
and he's he's finally getting that honor, you know, something
that you talk quite frankly. I mean, I get that
they had their little like Crimson Club Hall of Fame,
but these are things that the school probably should have
done years ago that I loved it. The tradition is

(07:01):
in place. You know, I've said so many things about
Coach Mac over the years. Obviously he's been on our
podcast as well. Absolutely love the guy. You know, there's
a there's a documentary that I know, you know, I
helped start working on, and you know, at one point
I just had to pull away just because you know,
my my workload and everything. But from my understanding, it's

(07:23):
starting to get wrapped up here and I'm really looking
forward to the final touches on that and getting him honored.
But you know, I still sit back and laugh, and
you know, Derek quest it. I don't know if you
were at Coach Max's house on this day. I think
it was me and Cal and one of my writers
at the time.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
But.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
We we wanted to talk about Coach Mac getting a
statue on the podcast, right, and Coach Max just loved it,
you know, just like feeling all good. So all of
a sudden, I surprise him. I bring Vicky in the
room and I don't even tell her what I was
going to ask her, and I brought it up and
she's like Ron and she just pauses for a second.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It looks at him.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
He starts laughing. She's like a statue. Oh God, please
don't do that. Every time i'd go by the stadium,
I'm gonna laugh.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Keep your humble, man, keep your humble.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
God, bless God, Bless the women in everybody's lives.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Right, Oh, poor Mac didn't know what to say. I
think he was like for the first time in like
a long time, speechless. But no, you know, I think
it's awesome that you know that they're putting his name
up on the stadium.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's a well deserved honor, you know. I do feel
like still that there will be that point when they're
doing even more honoring of the legends of the legends,
and Kyle deserves a statue, and and coach Mac deserves
a statue, you know. I mean, they've they've done so
much for this program. So yeah, but hey, Derek Westley,

(08:57):
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep Zach out of this one.
Over under on Zach being up there with his name,
huh over under five years? I like you, yeah, man, man,
over under five years, you're taking over. You're taken under
over for sure. Your name's at the top of the records, buddy.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
So I mean, like I said, I love the idea
of them finally doing this because, like I said, you know,
it's a lot of guys who've done a lot of
good things at this program, you know, and it'll be
awesome to see, you know, come back twenty thirty years
into the stadium and see so many different dudes up
there like you do when you go to the other

(09:41):
stadiums and stuff like that, and paying attribute to those guys.
It'll be awesome to see that for so many people. So,
you know, hopefully they continue doing it at a high level.
So you know, it'll be in a great honor for
Coach macken and missus Jefferson on Saturday for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sure, And Zach, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it the
next five to seven years for you, man, because there's
there's a there's a lot of good guys that have
came through this program. Man. But at the same time, too,
you can't you know, you can't delay somebody who's one
name is in the record books and two was part
of the ascension of Utah football to where it is today.
So definitely, I know you're humble, man, but it's coming,

(10:23):
I think a lot faster than you probably think so.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I appreciate it. Well we'll see, well we'll look back
at this, uh this day right here, but uh and
we'll say you called this one as well.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I love it, man, Let's uh, I'm looking forward to that.
But hey, so Wesley, you know, the guys talked last
week about the forty eight hour rule and what it
means to them just from a culture standpoint and everything.
All right, so I want to get your take on it.
But I need to do something real fast, all right,
because it was it was Derek's turn last week, and uh,

(10:56):
you know I got I got a little batch here
from our good old buddy.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Alex Scott from freaking Sugar Bowl year.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think, oh, let's see it was.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh man, I want to say it was during one
of the Rose Bowl years, right because uh yeah, you know,
when when you go out and you're having fun, you
gotta you gotta have this stuff, dude, A final talk
of low It got me going on this stuff way
back in the day.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You know, Derek jokes around to be about being the
honorary Pauli and the token Pauli on the podcast last week.
So I gotta make myself an honorary PAULI right, so
got it. Gotta do it that way, and oh god,
let's just hope it tastes good since it's old her.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Right, it's a big cup to the big cup. You
gotta do the whole cup. That's great, thank you.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah, let's let let's let Wesley talk and will work
on it's.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Here, Wesley, just the course on forty eight hour. Yeah, yeah,
I want.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I want to hear what the forty eight hour rule
means to you, and you know kind of maybe like
what your process was as a player, but you know,
just what it meant to you as from a cultural standpoint,
because the last time we kind of just talked about
how it was big on you know, bringing everybody together,
locking in for the game, bonding with your brothers. You know,
we talked about the old days where like the guys
get together with the you know, the bulls of the

(12:15):
kava and just you know, sit there for hours.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Utah is a very hard nosed football program. Having had
the opportunity to go and just collaborate and visit with
other schools or with people that are alumni of other
other programs, you start telling stories and quickly realize, like
the stories I'm telling are different than the stories that

(12:42):
you guys have about how things are buckled up at practice,
how things are buckled up during the game, the feeling
in the in the stadium, the feeling in the facility.
Like it's interesting, we talked about it before before this,
about you know, how I go back in the facility.
Now you kind of like I hid a little bit,
you know, you kind of pink the corners a little bit,

(13:02):
kind of stick to the side because it's very clear
if you're not supposed to be there. There's a there's
a pretty clear anxiety, like when you walk into the facility,
you know that business is being done today, right, everything
is buttoned up.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
And they're nodding because.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Like you, you feel that there's a tenseness that comes
in forty eight hour was the was the siphon off
of some of that energy right before the explosion of
the game, And it's kind of a clear, little drop
off point. It's a little breathe, it's a little breath,
a little bit of a rest in the week. Friday
comes and you hit that practice real hard and then

(13:42):
you go into the game buckled up. But that's what
I felt about forty eight hour is the first time
you really kind of unbuckle your chin strap, you get
with your with your boys, you have your your forty
eight hour. You know, they make, they mix or do
whatever they do. Forty eight hours before the game, you
take some time to enjoy your your brothers. Friday comes
and you just you lock it in. And so that's

(14:03):
that was kind of the rhythm that we followed throughout
the week and throughout the year. But it was always
a very clear kind of dip in the action over
the course of the week, and then as soon as
you came off of that, it was game time.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
You're ready to go.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Like as soon as Friday hits, it's it's helmets on,
buckles up. So that's what it kind of meant to me.
But you know, I have millions of stories about different
forty eight hours and how we kind of let loose in,
but it was it was always a blast.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I heard Derek has one.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
No comment. Wesley was a great teammate and a roommate
of mine, so no comment, Oh gosh, no.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
And yeah, so it's you know, I kind of told
you about it, about what we were kind of getting
going on this before this, Wesley. But yeah, you know,
it's just kind of a way to bring some of
you guys back, get you guys is bonding again, telling
these stories, having fun for the fans, you know, just
kind of bringing them a little bit more unique insight, right, Yeah,
for sure. But uh oh hey, by the way, Zach,

(15:09):
I got it. It's done, buddy. Now you guys will
know I'm feeling it if if I'm talking like my
tongue is a little kind of numb, right, But oh jeez,
so let's let's get into it, guys. Obviously, great game
last weekend, Zach. You can talk about as much as

(15:32):
you want. Like I mentioned, I know it's been a
few days to sit and marinate on, you know, but
especially Derek and Wesley want to want to hear you
guys' thoughts on this and you Derek being an offensive lineman.
The show that those guys put on, Man, that was impressive.
Devin Danfier can't do what he did without those guys.

(15:53):
You can't have that twenty play drive without those guys.
That was a remarkable performance. Like I sit back and
I there was a there was a clip that was
shown on social media and I can't remember, Zach. It
might have been the one that you posted with Devin
in our group chat where he escaped around the goal line,
and uh I ended up posting it and I was like, look,

(16:16):
everybody wants to talk about Devin, I want to talk
about Spencer, Like just the fact that he got back
at that level, knocking that dude off. It's it's a
special offensive line.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah man, no I uh man.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I was excited last week when we all connected before
the game and we all had high expectations of the
offensive line, and I really dove extensively into it, and
you know, I felt like they went out and delivered
on what was expected of him and what we all
thought they could do. You know, the eight second uh
pocket was as advertised. My dude was chilling back there.

(16:55):
And you know two things on that. One thing that
obviously that we all saw that you know, hopefully we'll
will change over time or mature over time, is Devin
Dampier not having to feel like he has to pull
it down and run. But when UCLA is dropping seven
eight guys, you know it was open for him to go.

(17:20):
But just to connect first on on the offensive line
point Spencer Funnel really as I went and dove into
his film and I looked at it again, there's so
much Penne soul esque in him, especially playing that right
tackle position. He's a dog in the run game. I
think he can get the edge, like he got the
edge on one play on the right side of just

(17:43):
by himself edging off like three defenders with his one block,
and just the way he puts the clamps on him.
And then you know, obviously his counterpart call Blumore on
the other side was lights out, and and everyone across
the board guards at the center and so really excited
to see how that group continues to progress and also

(18:08):
incorporating in their second team players, you know, as we're
kind of getting to talk about this next game, but
kind of recap. That was my huge recap from no
Line from a D line perspective, we said, you know,
death taxes in Utah defense. That front for D line
showed up and showed out JHD Logan Funnel. I wish

(18:29):
I had a JHD lame John Henry David. Is that
that's his name, right?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah? Man, what a great name.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Man like you that's like Hunter from back in the day,
you know, and and uh just like JHD, he tore
it up and so it was exciting.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Man, So with with all that stuff you mentioned, the
top four, Okay, Utahs depth got a little tested on
that game. You know, Logan went out for a minute,
and you know, Utah is gonna have to deal without
Dallaskalaki from it. But the freshmen stepped up and those
guys looked dangerous and then the defensive end depth showed
as well. So all three of you guys, anybody that

(19:11):
wants to talk about this, I'm curious just your thoughts
on that, because just again the fact that like they
went into the offseason not sure what this defensive line
was gonna look like, and once again it's a Utah
defensive line. It's scary.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, just off of what I see and what I
saw through summer camp. They had a lot of young
guys that were coming in after springball that are newer
to the program that took huge leaps of growth in
summer and I think you saw that kind of play
out in that game last week. And I won't name

(19:47):
the source, but like there's from what I hear, there
was still like a question of like what that front
four was really gonna look like even going into the game,
and even the guys that played necessarily weren't too sure
like how much playing time they were gonna get if
they're going to be the starter, what that all kind
of looked like, look would look like. And so to

(20:09):
see it kind of develop as it did and how
it what I think it'll progress like. And to have
a couple of weeks where some of those guys can
get back healthy, but then these younger guys can get
some really great reps game reps early on in the season.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think they they'll be fine up front. Wesley, let's
hear from you. Okay, we talked about two way players
on offense, right, I mean, dude, you started at Utah
on offense, ended up playing defense for a minute, they
moved you back to offense. Could you have done the
two way back then?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Not quite as successfully? I don't think. Maybe you never know.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Everybody's always better when they finished playing, Like I used
to be way better than I am now. But yeah,
I love it and I hate it. I love to
see the two way folks playing. I don't love them
being the lead rusher. That's not ideal for me. The

(21:10):
fact that they allow it I think shows a little
bit of a a like a thinking outside the box
sort of mentality that I don't know always existed at
the U. They're very because they're very buttoned up and
they're very about their business. Sometimes, I think we've seen
a little bit of a struggle with some of the
positions that require some some leash, like we've historically over

(21:33):
the course of the last twenty years at receiver, I
think we've seen a little bit of that, that struggle
where you need some guys that are maybe a little
hot headed, maybe a little cocky, maybe a little me right.
That is not a trait that is championed at the U.
And as a result, I think a lot of the
guys or the over the course of time that we've

(21:54):
seen get like major yards after the catch that maybe
play a little bit risky. They came that way. Brit
Nobody taught Brittain Covey how to get extra yards after
the catch. Nobody taught some of these guys like and
so I like seeing some of that develop a little
bit more and for them to see, Okay, maybe we
can do this a little bit more, Maybe we can
mix in and sprinkle in a little more out of

(22:15):
the box styles. I think it's gonna be great. I
love seeing the that sort of mentality. I would love
to see it organically kind of rise to the top
from the offense and see kind of some clear number
ones ascend that maybe don't have to go. At the
same time, I'm open to being wrong and having the
best person on defense also be the best person on offense.

(22:38):
We obviously saw a blueprint last year that it that
it works. We saw that with as well. So you know,
at the end of the day, I'm just I'm just
trying to win, you know, whatever whatever helps us get there, I'm.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm on for, you know. And so when when Whittingham
had his press conference on Monday, he actually talked about,
you know, some of the things behind it, right and
you know, obviously one and being on pitch count. So
I know he had talked about it at the game
as well, But they had talked with Colorado Sports science
guys right in the rest recovery standpoint and how they

(23:10):
could potentially make that work. They talked to other teams
as well too, and so they're being very diligent on
how they look at it and how they approach it,
you know, it's it's kind of crazy and fun to
like sit back and say, like, you know, look back
at the past decade or so, and he's like, oh, yeah, this,
this guy could have done it. This guy could have
done it, you know, from a two way approach, right.

(23:31):
The one thing he did say that I thought was interesting.
I'm very curious Wesley Zach on this and your take.
He kind of left it open that lander could get
more and more reps at tight end as the year
goes by and almost be more of a predominant. He
didn't say it for sure, but he kind of hinted

(23:53):
at the point that he could be more of a
predominant tight end than a linebacker because of the depth
in the linebacker room and also because Whittingham feels like
if if Landard puts more time in at tight end,
he could be one of the best tight ends in
the country.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
So that one I actually love just for the sake
of the position the and I guess it goes the
same way at receiver, but especially as a as a
tight end.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Their job is pretty difficult.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You got to know the entire blocking scheme, you got
to know the entire route construction. They really need to
know more than most of the of the field because
of the versatility of the of the position. They got
to go out in the slot, they might even be
out wide to the boundary, like they have to know
a lot. Having someone that is very familiar with the
defense is an increase. It's a superpower really because if

(24:43):
you know what their job is at every step of
the game, you're you think that much quicker. And so
for that position, like, I love it, like I think
he can and I think you know just exactly what
you're talking about. With their depth at linebacker, I think
it could be very successful.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Zach, what is some of your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Man, Yeah, just going back to Derek's point of the
death on the team, right, you don't you never want
to be a top heavy team, right because as soon
as you're a top heavy team, all it takes is
one guy to miss two three weeks and you can
go in two or three, right, So I think And
then to Wesseley's point, you know, obviously, like I said

(25:23):
with Dearik, I think, obviously, yes, the death is important,
Like they have to figure that out. And it was
great to see a lot of people who probably still
weren't expected up until kickoff to what it was going
to look like exactly to see them guys have that
performance and stuff like that, and you know this game
as well is going to be a big game for
that to continue to see that that growth in these

(25:44):
guys and getting some more experience and stuff like that
and being counted on it that way. But to west
point with the two way players way, uh, I don't
know if I love it obviously as well. I think
it's some some good in it, even though you know,
like you said, Alex, they've spoke to Colorado and things
of that nature. And I think Travis Hunter is it

(26:07):
really doesn't matter what the science says. He is not
human and what he was able to do in college
football exactly so, and you're talking about a guy who
could have went either way right like, and could have
won the Heisman just solely defensive or solely offensive, right.
I think people see a guy like that, and you know,

(26:29):
I've been around a lot of scouts. What he's able
to do is not fair. And he's still doing it
right now at yeah, like he's he's currently like and
we praised obviously Deon Sanders because of the success, right
and he was a two way player, but not to
the same degree. I think what Travis is doing on

(26:50):
the offense side of the ball. Now, obviously we'll have
to see Travis have that success to you know, kind
of maybe at some point, who knows, maybe get close
to Dionne because he's probably the greatest when it comes
to that. But still I think I like that they're
implementing it. I don't know if I love it in
the sense of why is that happening? Because we clearly

(27:13):
have some weaknesses on our offense side of the ball
from the guys that we are originally asking to play
receiver right, or play running back or with landa play
tight end right. Anytime you have to go get another
guy from the other side of the ball for me,
you know, anytime where we were going to throw the

(27:35):
ball a little too damn much that felt like a
shot at me, right, or anytime we were going to
call these damn trick plays, or someone's going to come
take the ball in my hand. You know, it was
going to be an issue, right, And to me, I think, Okay,
maybe we don't have the offensive firepower right outside of

(27:59):
them here, so he is firepower, like he's if they
don't have it, and maybe we're trying to continue to
find it. And it's great to get it out the
way early in the first game and see some success
with it. I just don't know. For me, I kind
of look at it as a top heavy type thing
and it's like, okay, what if stolen you know, god

(28:19):
bit miss a week with a hamstring, right, or twist
his ankle and he's not able now to go on
that side of the ball. Who are the guys that
are going to, you know, step up on the offense
side of the ball. Who are going to be the
clear cut ones? Kind of stuff that we talked about
last week. It was like, going into this game, there

(28:41):
wasn't really weaknesses on office, but it was a ton
of question marks. Right obviously the tight end room you
look at it after seeing Lander, I kind of have
to double look and then watch the replay. I was like,
hold on, is that Kody Bardy Jackson Barnes's brother, Like,
what the hell is he supposed to be one of
the best line catching passes And I'm like, that's the

(29:02):
player you pull out, you know, when you're up thirty
zip or something like that where you're not really worried
about it actually having success. Right. But you know, Kyle
made a great point the other day when we were
doing the post you know, the post game recap and
stuff about putting it on film. Right, it's so many
different things you can kind of take from it and

(29:23):
look at it, like, Okay, now, Snowden even just gets
to the pitch count point. If we're gonna use them
twenty times, he might touch the ball five times every
single time he's on the field. Since you've put it
on film, that he can catch jet sweeps, you're gonna
throw them a quick slant, you're gonna throw them screens, right,
All twenty of those players now have to be scripted,
to Coyle's point, in practice, that takes away from just

(29:45):
regular stuff that defenses already need to worry about and handle. Now,
every time Lander walks out on the field offs out
of the ball, he's clearly show you can catch a
ball a little bit further than twenty yards, right, and
all these different things. So I don't, you know, outright
love it, but I think it could be good, right

(30:06):
if injuries don't happen, right, And I would love to
see it be decreased, not just from the standpoint of
using those guys too much, just from the standpoint of
the guys who are originally receivers and the guys.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Who are originally tight ends that.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
You know, we're recruited for these things, them eating back
into those snaps and being like the coaches being like,
Okay Lander, you know, appreciate it slow to appreciate you
guys on the Jett sweeps. But we now have our
guys at a point to where we are going to
trust them through the rest of this thing, because death

(30:43):
is the main thing. You don't win championships, you don't
be in those type of games if you don't have
guys consistently, you know, showing up. Your best players aren't
always going to play their best. So you need guys
to continue to you know, come in and do the
right things and show up for the team and you know,
put up numbers.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Absolutely, Zach on that note, maybe just piggybacking off of that,
you had a great take on X during the game
of Where, and I'm just paraphrasing here where you were
talking about I don't know if I really still understand
what you talk about is right, like what their identity is.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
And then you mentioned all those things.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I'm curious like maybe if you can explain for the fans,
because I kind of saw where you're coming at. But
a lot of people were excited about the hype of Howard,
were opened up the past, we're doing this, and that
you see it from a very unique angle. Can you
kind of dive into maybe where you were thinking at
that point and then where you're at maybe today as
you reflect back on the game, and then Wesley, if

(31:43):
you have any insights or any takeaways with that as
well in mind?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah. Yeah, when I was watching the game, I'm like,
you know, I'm scrolling on Twitter X whatever it's called
these days, right, I'm scrolling through and I'm seeing just
it felt just like a ton of just people probably
didn't even know I had on Twitter, right, just talking
about just the explosiveness, and you know what they liked
and how you know, pretty it was? To me, it

(32:09):
was pretty football right outside the office of line is
being clearly dominant. Everything else felt like it was pretty football. Right.
You don't win pretty games, right, So, and especially that's
never been our identity. Our identity was trenches. We're gonna
kill you on both sides of the ball. We're gonna
run the ball down your face, X, Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
So when I was looking at it, and I'm just like, Okay,
there's not one clear cut thing that we are doing
that is hurting them, right, our offensive line was the
only reason that we were able to look that efficient
on offense. Right, you take two of those guys out
of there that are not playing at that level, right,

(32:52):
things get sped up a lot faster. We didn't have
a ton of separation that receiver, right. I mean, the
guy was holding the ball for eight seconds, literally patting it, right,
He could have messed around his study for an exam
he probably got in a couple of days, right, and
he's literally standing there and nobody's open. Right. So for me,

(33:14):
you know, I'm just looking at it like, Okay, I've
played in with three of the greatest best quarterbacks in
today's football right now, with Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. Right,
one has an MVP, the other will have an MVP. Right,
probably could have had it this year this past season
if we weren't so bad defensively or whatever. But if

(33:37):
you give those guys four five seconds, right, they're gonna
carve you up, right, but then it's outside those things
that they can't control. I'm just like, Okay, I love
how Olivis line is blocking right, take nothing away from
those guys. UCLA probably doesn't have the same rush and

(33:58):
blitzed for, you know, different things that now when we
see what this offense is going to be, like, teams
are going to scop that and get ready for those
different looks and different things and try to throw off that,
you know, that that pace of the game and stuff
that they were playing at. So I'm watching them just like, Okay,
we're not killing them in a run game. Like what
you said. Our quarterback was our leading rushers, you know, yeah,

(34:21):
eighteen six sixteen eighteen carries right, And I'm just like, man,
if I'm a runner back, I'm pissed we won, but
that ball can't be doing that right, not running right.
And our receivers if you look at the stat list,
I'm like, damn, two catches, maybe a catch over here,
And I'm just like I need to see more because

(34:43):
when we get into the season. Man, when you guys,
once you're you got four weeks of tape up there,
five weeks to take it ain't so many so many
different things you can do to high stuff, and you
know you can motion over.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Here and try to offset.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
It's a lot of different things you can think you
can do, right, So it's like for me watching it
like that, I'm like, Okay, I love that they scored
forty plus points. I love that it was efficient, but
all of that was simply predicated off of the offensive
line being outright dominant. The skill positions did not wow me,

(35:17):
right with the office line being that damn good, there's
no way, damn Piod shouldn't have thrown over three fifty
four hundred yards of just somebody breaking away, you know,
these different type of things. So that was just my
me looking at I was just like, Okay, we're not
outside of these guys, man, And I guess the offense

(35:37):
goes as the big guys go, right, But man, I
would love to see hopefully this upcoming week opponent is,
you know, obviously maybe not as talented. Can we see
those big explosive plays. Can we see those plays created
with a little bit more consistency, and then see some
guys at receiver that were not as prevalent in UCLA

(36:02):
game this upcoming week. So that was just my look
on it absolutely the thing.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I made the same read because like the offensive
line is is where it starts. It's obviously the most
important part. But they raise your floor, they don't raise
your ceiling. Your ceiling is going to be raised with
the skill positions.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Like one of the.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Great things that made the offense that Zach played in
well is that Tyler Huntley played on second and three
like way more often than not. Like, yeah, it's and
that's what I want to see from this offense is
I don't want them to get into a place where
Devin has to save them with his playmaking ability. I
want him to layer that on top. And if you look,

(36:47):
several of the shots that they made downfield were second
efforts where they're he's rolling and they're they're going back
after the play to go and get some They had
like a long pass interference, they had a couple of those.
If we had a single guy this this is my
hot take, we had a single guy that on second
and three could run a nine route one on one, we.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Are contenders, for sure. Contenders. That's that's what I feel like.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
We need because in the crunch time, you you don't
go to your OC for playmaking ability you go to
one guy that you need something out of. I don't
really want that to be Devin Dan Pierre in in
my opinion, because we've had that, We've seen that a
lot of times. You get that, like we've had a

(37:34):
lot of them carry the rock a ton of times,
and over the course of the season, like they get
dinged up. It's hard to last.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
It's a long season.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
But that's my that's my take is that as strong
as our O line is, they're going to raise the floor.
I don't know that they're going to raise the ceiling
for us on the offense.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, you definitely go. We definitely are going to
go to the place we want to go when we
have guys stepping up that have to have the ball
in their hands, like you said, like and I think,
if I'm not mistaken, I think I spoke about that
last week when Ky Scott was on here, and you know,
we were talking about like the receiver position, like having
somebody out there that we know is because damp pire

(38:16):
is going to give you ample opportunities because of the
offensive line, right, and he never in that game in
that first game, obviously, I don't want to use the
word never, but he had a very low tendency of
making a bad read. Right if it was not there,
he was going to take it and run. Now, the
bad part of that was he took a few hits

(38:39):
that wasn't necessary. To your point, he's not a natural slider.
He's not a natural slider. He's not at all. And
he wants those extra yards. If it's two yards left there,
he's try to get him. And you know, defenses guys
like that, you're gonna try to take him out of
the game to some degree, right, You're gonna try to

(39:00):
make sure you get your best hit on them. But
I was speaking to Key Scott about this, and I
was like, man, we need somebody out there where like
you said, second and three and OC can be like
back and be like you know what, let's throw a
go ball because we'll come back on third and three. No,
we're gonna go get it right. They showed that so

(39:20):
many times on short thirty, short, fourth and shot whatever
it may have been, Coach Whitnam going for it in
the red zone and the fourth down and getting that touchdown
because they know, hey, we're not worried about you doing
anything on us and pose your will on us right
that part. They didn't seem worried about it at all
in that first game, and I'm just like, Okay, that's

(39:42):
where the play calling can take another level. Like you said,
like it goes ceiling the guys are out there making
those plays because now that play calling can be not
just called around Damn Pire's legs and the officer line,
but now having somebody who can actually shresh that feel,
can pull those safeties a little bit further off. You
got you gotta play a little bit different, more coverages.

(40:04):
You don't want to sit there and man coverage and
can't load the box on a guy like that out
out there. So when I think about those, and that's
why I'm like, I can't wait, because I do believe
it can't happen. So I'm speaking into existence, So I
can't wait to see, you know whoever it is one
guy to guys emerge into that into that role to

(40:25):
where Damn Pierre can trust them and these guys can
go out there. I mean, man, if I'm a receiver,
is it'd be very hard to not have a hundred
yards a game in that offense and and getting open
and being that guy that you know Dolphins can count
on to make those big plays when it's time.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
For sure, you know, one to two quick things. One
you know, as a point on what you were saying
right there, I mean Meriweather and Simmons are very clearly
wide receiver one and wide receiver two with this team.
They joined the team after spring ball, right, And so
when it comes down to it, it's the same thing
that everybody was talking about with Nico and his wide receivers.

(41:05):
It's gonna take some time, unfortunately. You know, you want
to see it happen faster. The other thing to it, too, Zipper,
from what I was told, was a game time decision
for that game, and that's your deep threat. That's one
of the guys that can that can take it off
the top, right. So I think it'll I think it
will develop. It's just not there yet, unfortunately. And then

(41:27):
the other point I kind of wanted to make exact.
You know, you mentioned about damp Beer getting just like
those you know, little extra yards and everything just towards
the end. And one one thing I noticed, and I'm
kind of curious if you guys had seen this that
I thought was really unique that you don't see this
with a lot of guys. Is there were so many
times where you're thinking he's done with the play right,

(41:49):
You're thinking it's dead, and then next thing you know,
he just like makes some move just like so casually
and gets two to three more yarns. It was, it was,
it was insane to see it, just how he's able
to do that.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah, he understands leverage, and he has wiggle because he's
not a burner right with guys who aren't just straight
line speed guys, and you know, stuff like that, Like
his acceleration if you look at it, isn't a great yither.
But he understands angles, he understands leverage, and he has
just enough wiggle to be very dynamic, and he knows

(42:26):
how to use it. Like that's kind of just raising
up and then kind of breaking you down really fast,
knowing because when the defender is in that much space, Man,
if you get tackled right by defender in that much
damn space, if I'm oc, I'm not gonna keep allowing
you to get out there right because man, it's just

(42:48):
so much space. So he understands that. I mean, you're
talking about a guy who ran for one thousand plus yards.
So he understands how to run the ball and things
of that nature. So he's just a natural runner of
the ball. He's not he's not a super fast guy.
He's not all these different things and stuff like that,
but he definitely understands, you know, how to get those

(43:08):
extra yards and he has will because man, I was like,
he broke at least two dudes down, but maybe I
think maybe a linebacker in the d n he broke
them down through the course of that game where it
was just so subtle. He didn't even look like he
moved his shoulder pass much, but it was just so subtle,
and I was just like, Okay, he's played a lot

(43:30):
of throwback football with cousins and brothers or whatever, and
he knows how to get missing on some dudes.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And he's got enough to get away like he had
that one turnback. The one thing not to beat a
dead horse is we got to see that second effort
from the receivers be well buttoned.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Up, because I don't want him to.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Like, you train people on how to treat you, and
as a receiver, if on the second effort you're not
consistently getting open, I'm tucking it like I'm just I'm
tucking it. As soon as they're not opening the first read,
I'm tucking it. And I'm going because I know I
can get the first down if I keep my eyes
up and it makes me get five less yards and
why to just get it myself next time? And so

(44:11):
I just I gotta see it.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
I gotta see it next time for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So we're approaching about forty five minutes here on the podcast.
Want to rap here soon, Zach. You know, I know
that we kind of mentioned the nil stuff. I think
that that's maybe a conversation for for next week with
how long we've gone on this, or maybe even the
players layer of stuff. I mean, your your call. We
can touch on it for a minute.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I mean I think we can touch on it real fast,
you know, you know, I think the nil stuff and
we've all we all played in different arrows and stuff
like that, essentially whatever. Maybe that's not the greatest word
for it, but we all played and we understood just
how hard it was right to play football at a

(44:56):
high level and then go to class, because it's not
one of those schools where classes and getting your degree
are you know, shoved to the side, right like coach
with and everybody on that staff. Man was super hard
on us getting degrees because football isn't forever, right, Like,

(45:16):
if you're not gonna play until you're a lot of
guys gonna play to the thirty, then you're not gonna
play all your life. So you know, getting a degree
and stuff like that, and then you know, now trying
to figure out the financial part and a lot of
us not coming from you know, financially stable homes and
things of that nature. So like seeing it finally happen, right, Uh,

(45:39):
you know, we always joked about it when I was
in school that we probably never see it. Right. Essentially,
it'd be a lot longer, right, it hadn't happened all
these years? What makes what makes anybody think it's gonna
turn around here really fast? And ironically the year I
leave the following season, they opened up the floodgates, because
that's what it did. It even just opened up the

(46:00):
crack of the door, let a little air in. They
open up the floodgates with this thing. But it's great
to see the guys finally compensated for just how much
money is brought into the school from guys going out
there and performing at high levels and filling those stands

(46:20):
and things of that nature, because people don't come to
the game just because their alumni. People come to see
a good product out on the football field, right and
you know, and the donors the same thing. They want
to see good product X, Y, and z. So it's
great to see it, but at the same time, it
makes it really hard, I think for obviously, coaches had

(46:43):
a hard time with it, how it's changed up on
them so fast. They had a super hard time kind
of kind of trying to figure this thing out because
it changed. You know, you're talking about six figures million
dollars plus or whatever it is a year for certain guys.
And now the things you never had to worry about.

(47:04):
All you had to worry about having a good or
good team, you know, having really good people in the
locker room, having a good staff, and that made us
want to stay by itself. Right now you have to
shovel out all this money on payroll with these different guys,
and guys can leave just off of the sheer factor.

(47:25):
You didn't give them an extra twenty five thousand and
another school is offering that and.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Or reworked the contract that they already agreed too.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
Yeah, So it's like for me, it like, like I said,
I love the fact that guys are getting paid because,
like I said, everyone's not able to go and play
in the NFL, and even if you are, the chances
of you stay in the NFL for X amount of.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Years is that's also a tough ass battle, right, And
if you can make that money in college, right, and
that's that's that's just a huge jump forward for guys,
which is beautiful to see, like I said, because you know,
you can get hurt in college, man, and never even
step close to the NFL. You get hurt your sophomore year.

(48:10):
But if you're able to put some of that money
away and do the right things, man, that's that's a blessing.
Because there's been plenty of guys that we've played with
that shoot, they tyrannee twice, right, and they call it
quits down there have to pivot super fast at twenty
or twenty one. And it's a lot of different stuff

(48:30):
that people don't think about with it. But it's like,
like I said, it's great to see. I just would
have wished they would have, you know, actually thought.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
About playing something. It was open the floodgates.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I hate it. Yeah, it seems like here like yeah,
touch an opportunity. Here's my thought, Like, for one, I
think the first thing they should have done.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Is open it up. Why as you can.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
To people that graduate, they already were allowed to transfer.
Just let them go get paid. Your graduation rate skyrocket.
People end up more skilled and easily employable when they finish.
But now they've just opened it up, and I mean
they swung the pendulum. I think they swung it too
far and hopefully it will come back to somewhere more

(49:18):
reasonable because a lot like what a lot of the
kids I work with a lot of high school kids,
and what a lot of them don't understand is that
your your value is like it's often just tied to
the eyeballs that you can draw for whatever it is.
Like if you look at the top earners on the
NIL rankings, most of it has to do with like

(49:40):
Instagram followers. It's not the talent, like, it's not necessarily
a one to one map. And what the schools have
done or what the NCAA has done, is placed the
wrong incentives in the wrong spot because the donors that
used to go and donate ten million dollars so that
you can build a new stadium, you can do whatever.

(50:01):
They're just cutting the same check to a different person.
But the school has created an admin and another person
in a recruiter and all of these different things. They've
just made it way more wasteful and like frothy, and
don't I don't love it. I love that guys are
able to earn and they're able to grow there. But

(50:22):
a lot of the money, the big money that we're
seeing change hands is speculative. It's venture capital, and you're
gonna lose on nine out of ten of those, and
you're gonna like crucify this kid despite the fact that
you gave him the money like a speculation. You sat
and played what thirty games in high school? You gave
him ten million dollars, and now you're mad at a

(50:44):
nineteen year old because he can't perform in front of
sixty five thousand kids. People like It's just I don't
love it. I like that they have the opportunity to
make certain one of generational wealth, but they didn't put
anything behind it. Like the statistics at the pro level
for like bankruptcies and like financial missteps, they're sky high

(51:10):
and what they've done is take three years of maturity
away from them and given them very similar money. And
so I think we need certain stop gaps. I think
we need a different system that allows for more skills
training and more things of that nature. But I don't
know how you get there after you open the flood
gate and nobody wants to return to it if you're

(51:31):
benefiting from it, So I don't know how you get
back there.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
But that's my two cents, you know what.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Let's well, Derek, go go ahead and give your take
real fast. I was gonna say, this is definitely I
think this is something that we need to have a
longer podcast for sure. Maybe get somebody from the you know,
the past collective like Matt Garth or Drew Watson on
with us, you know, and just kind of go back
and forth with everybody on it. But yeah, Derek, if
you want to give you two cents, and then let's
let's wind this down here. I was going to kind

(51:59):
of ask you guys, what would go through on a
on a week like this with it just being cal
poly typically, you know, we we'd be breaking down some
things on what we're wanting to see within the game.
But again, it's a glorified scrimmage. Let's let's be honest,
right you know, So Derek, if you want to give
your take, and then let's just kick into what some
brief things on what we're expecting.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, these guys said said everything that needs to be
said on nil. I mean, it is what it is
at this point. I just hope that you know, from
Zach talking about guys who came in that got hurt
like that was me point case that wasn't able to
finish out my friend crew.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
So you know, having to make that pivot, Uh, was
was horrible.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
It was tough for you.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah it was. It was real tough and in it,
in it and so something can be put into place.
Congratulations n C double a. You brought this upon your
damn self and you know, congratulations you made the mess.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Going on to.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
This week, I'll just kick us off like on what
I'm looking for to really just to piggyback off of
the excellent points of Zach and West brought up. Really
want to see that progression from an offensive standpoint from
going from pretty football to fundamentally sound and execution at
a high level. If they can do that, across the board.
If we can see a couple of things where our

(53:19):
running game from our running backs I believe have some
outstanding potential start hitting five seven, you know, twelve yard
yard runs and just opening up the floodgates there. I
know we're on a good track if I see, to
West's point, us being able to get some go routes,
getting some depth in our route structure. Again, that's coming

(53:41):
from offensive linement that doesn't know too much about all that.
But if I start seeing some of that fun stuff like,
that's a good sign. And then defense just playing how
they're playing and continue to improve on that end. But
that's that's my take. That's what I'm looking forward to
this week.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
There you guys, Yeah, pick you back off of Derek,
Like you said, just seeing our running backs. I think
with that albums a ligne, man, anybody could damn near
run behind that albums a line and get five six
seven yards to carry. So and we got two dudes
back there that are very talented, Like I want to
see the ball being taken out of damn peer's hands

(54:21):
until we get into games where they've just taken everything
away from us. And now we go to our X factor, right,
our X factor being one of the most dynamic backs,
i mean quarterbacks in the league in college, and then
using this lest let's not use this guy for things
that we don't need to do currently, right, And you know,
so I think, obviously I want to see the backs

(54:43):
have a great game. I want to see both of
those dudes shoot go for one hundred plus. I mean,
you have the office line that can do it. You know,
That's just my thing. Like I just think, I'm like, man,
if I was back there with Damn Pier and you know,
were calling all these QB design runs, man, I would
be pissed. Right, I'm going to go talk to somebody upstairs,
because with that offensive line, man, you have two dudes

(55:07):
back there that can go get it. So let's I
want to see that. I just want to see some
more deep shots when guys winning those one on one balls, right,
because that builds a lot of confidence on the off
side of the ball for the quarterback and the office
a coordinator, and that changes how you call the game
just overall and what you want to do and how
you want to kind of get things done. So I

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just want to see that. I think, let's let's take
the ball of Damn Pierre's hands a little bit more,
if it's just quick, quicker throws right or if it's
handing the ball off to two guys were very capable,
and then we unleash him when when that time is necessary.
Let's not have another game where we need to see
fifteen carries for in my opinion, for no reason, absolutely

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no reason right now. So yeah, I want to see that.
I think defense is going to continue to go out
there and do what they do. I mean that that
side of the ball has always been really, really good,
so you know, those guys can continue and we continue
to see that depth and those guys getting those reps
in and putting that stuff on tape for for the
coaches and themselves, for the confidence of that whole unit.

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That's gonna be really really good this weekend.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Wilson.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, I want to see, honestly, I want to see
probably fifty or less yards rushing from Dan Pierre. I
want to see some balls over the middle, and I
want to see something over the top that's that's it, Like,
I would love to see that, regardless of what it
looks like in the second half, because you know, it
is what it is, But that's what I want to

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see from an offensive perspective. From a defensive perspective, I
want to see some really strong safety play. I want
to see Nate Richie come up and lay the hat.
And I want to see some some playmaking from their
some aggressiveness. I think that would be awesome. And then
just making sure everything is a well oiled machine, that

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your starters are out at halftime.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, that's that's one point I was gonna make is
with with me. I don't expect to see Devin, you
know past half time, right. I expect Isaac to get
some time this game. I expect Bird to get some
time this game. So I'll ask you guys this over
under on Bird Fickling getting fit, on Bird Fickland rushing
for fifty yards, taking over you guys this game. He

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looks good, he looked good against U. C l A.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
I'll ticked over.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
I'll take the over. If guys are feeling over, I'll
take over. That'd be dumb for me not to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Man, don't don't just join the crowd, buddy.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Oh yeah, let's get these guys out of here early.
Let's get that death. The rest of those guys some
some playtime and getting their confidence up and things like that. Man,
And you know, let's honor those guys before the game
or halftime, whichever one of these is not positive, but
that's honor those guys. And let's let's let that be
the biggest thing we talk about. Uh, next week sounds good?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
And then over under I'm not. I'm not gonna get
fully what I'm looking for because people want to hear
from you guys. Right, So over under on the youth
scoring sixty points of this game, you're taking the over under.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Over I don't know. I think I might go under
just because I think they're going to run the ball
a lot and that cock is gonna get you try
to So I'll go under on that one.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Under if we're forty nine. Cool.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, all right, guys, Well we're gonna wrap this, So Zach,
what's it? What is important for everybody to do? After
watching this and listen to this podcast.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Make sure you like, subscribe, and please share it to
everyone who is a youth fan. Man, we're gonna appreciate it.
We're gonna be doing a lot of really good things
this year, talking about a lot of really good ball
and a lot of good wins, so you don't want
to miss it.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Appreciate it, man, Appreciate all you guys. We've had such
good feedback on all this stuff. We've loved bringing it
to everybody. We're just gonna keep up in the ante
here and you know, doing everything we can. So boys,
thanks again, and we'll be seeing you guys, hopefully. I'll
be seeing you guys, hopefully this weekend. So until next

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until next time, guys, what do we gotta say?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Huh go use