Ep. 9 - The Player's Lair: Zack Moss and Micah Bernard

Former Utah running backs share stories and experiences from their time with the Utes.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Ah la ah, welcome to the players left.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, but no the mum and many can't compare to
the obvious people.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Looking Welcome back for another week of the Player's Layer,
joined pretty much consistently throughout the year unless something comes
up by my guy, Zach Moss. I am Alex Markham.
I am here to get this thing going, get this
thing launched. At the same time too, I'm not the
guy like I continuously say that everybody wants to hear from.

(00:39):
So Zach is gonna be taking plenty of this stuff. Uh,
this week we got our guy. Uh, Mackai Bernard McKay
has been, you know, just going around trying to make
his way through the NFL, you know, learning the ups
and downs of how difficult it can actually be to
you know, figure that league out. So, without further ado,

(01:02):
I want to kick it over to Zach. I want
to kick it over Makai for a minute. I'm want
to jump in here and there where it makes sense.
Asking you got some questions, but you know we want
to hear from you guys. So boys, how are we doing?
Makay's how's it been going?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Man? You know it was going is going?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Man, it's been a tough you know, a couple of
months just trying to figure everything out. But you know,
can't complain loving life right now. Hopefully the upside comes soon,
but you know, just can't complain about it. You just
got to keep my head down and keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's it's the grind, man, And you know, when it
comes down to it, you know, plenty of fans weren't
privileged to be able to hear, you know, kind of
what you guys were talking about. Well, I was getting
some stuff set up on my back end of things.
But man, you know, you can't have a better guy
to be able to kind of talk you through some
of these things than our guys act right here. So
you know what one thing I really just want to

(01:55):
hear from you guys. I mean, obviously it's a brotherhood
of the University of Utah. That's something that we can
decently talk about, right you know, I got number one,
I got number two, and I got number two right here,
both you guys play and running back. So you know,
take me through you guys as relationship, right How how
often have you guys been able to keep in touch
throughout the years, and uh, you know, just just what

(02:16):
it means to strap on the helmet and.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Play running back at the University of Utah.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, yeah, I started off.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
When I first got in to the University of Utah,
I've seen Zach Masson. I was like, man, this guy
kind of built, he's kind, he's kind of lucky, scared
to approach, but you know, you know, Zach was kind
of quiet when I first got in there. I didn't
really hear him talk ever unless he really needed to.
You know, he was the guy, that guy, like that guy,

(02:43):
and it was just like starstruck just to be in
the same room as him, you know, just Washington play
and do his thing. And so, you know, I learned
a lot from Zach and I kind of like when
I became that guy, I was kind of like Zach, like,
you know, chimed in where I needed to chime in.
Uh but uh, you know, it felt it felt good
to you know, put on that number two right after him.

(03:07):
Coach Coach asked me, he was like, you got to
go in there. Number two stays in the room. It
doesn't leave the room.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know. Like I was like, all right, let me go.
As coach with I was like.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Coach with you know, Zach were number two, you know
as a running back, and I want to keep it
in the room. Can I get it? He was like,
of course you can get it. I was like, yeah,
let's go Zach Kitty. He was like, I wouldn't want
anyone anyone else to wear it. So, you know, it's
kind of it was a privilege to put on that
number right after him and just do the things I
did right after this guy.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember when he came in. Man,
he was young, and I was definitely you know, I'm
not a vocal guy at all really when it comes to,
you know, like the leadership role in that way. You know,
I'm more of a guy that goes and does it
and then guys kind of see how I do it,
and you know, they can carve out different ways they

(03:57):
want to do it that could hopefully lead to us.
That's but you know, we have we have so many
dudes in that room, man, because I haven't. It's like,
you know, when you talk about like keeping up with
each other and stuff like that, it can be hard
because life just goes and you know, being just through
the league and then you know, Makay being in college

(04:18):
and all the COVID stuff. I'm like, I couldn't even imagine, Like,
you know, I'm thinking about that now, Like I can't
wait to just like hear what that was for you
because in the league, COVID being my rookie year was
I wouldn't say essentially shitty because it took away a
lot of different aspects of the game that you don't
think about, like no fans like just so much different

(04:41):
things that we get a drilline from that we didn't
necessarily get in that year, so like because you guys
had a shortened year and all those different things. So like,
just how many guys in that room, man, that we
played with. You know, I think back to you know,
obviously Makay, we had Dac Davontae Hearring, Cole Like, we.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Had just TJ. Green.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
We had a lot of dudes in that room that,
you know, super talented. We had a deep room, and
you know, we were pretty well needed. I thought, you know,
guys worked hard and things like that, and you know
mcgy definitely was one of those guys and just you know,
pay attention to a lot of stuff. You know, Coach
Matt one of the best coaches that I've ever had. Man,

(05:25):
just like was able to teach me so much, and
you know, those guys being able to have him as well,
him being as dedicated he was to that room. You know,
I'm not surprised that he was like, yeah, we got
to keep the number two in the room.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
That was smart. You know, I would have never even
thought about that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I was like, that's that's actually kind of cool and
smart that he thought about that. And you know, seeing
what Macy was able to do with that on man,
it was it was it was.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Really really cool to see that.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Just see those guys go out there and dominate, you know,
and you know, this guy's won pac twel championships. Man,
so you're talking about guy who's champion at the same
time in that number.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, it feels good.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, could have had three, But y'all want to you
know that twenty nineteen season, Man, what happened here?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Come on that? That was.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I don't know, bro, I it was weird. That was
a weird year because we lost to SC early in
the year. Yeah, I hurt my shoulder. I had a
Grade three separate AC shoulder spring a joint. I missed
one game. I think we had a bye week and
then we played maybe Washington State. I think I missed

(06:36):
that game, and then I played the rest of the year.
But then we went on straight uh Win Street got
to that we was total everybody, and then we got
into that game.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think I think a mix of us.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Being young at the same time, like because the receiver
room was really the group that was going to separate us.
And we've talked about this on Players Layer before y'all rule,
you know, if for the people who've been you know,
following us the first couple of weeks and stuff like that,
just like those receiver rooms, you know, being that next

(07:11):
step for us. Like when I look at y'all teams,
I'm like, obviously you guys had yourself cam, but those
tight ends did a lot for y'all, where the receiver
room kind of just was like, to me, felt like
the fourth group in a sense of the guys y'all
counted on.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
So like for us. You can probably think back to
that twenty nineteen team like.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It went as the run game win. If the run
game went well, it went well. But then like the
Oregon game, like the Run game I thought went well,
we just didn't get a lot of stops on defense.
You know, we've always kind of struggled with quarterbacks that
could be a dual threat style, kind of like Herbert
was a little bit of it. Not a real threat,

(07:56):
but it's like he had that aspect of his game
that you had to respect.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Still, But yeah, supposed to be three.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
But I was happy to see y'all, you know, win
two in a row because a lot of those guys,
a lot of you guys that was on those teams
that ended up being the main guys on those championship teams.
And like, you only can become champions when you learn
to lose and learn.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
How to win.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like you guys saw what we did, what we didn't
do well right, and then you know, keeping the coaching
staffing and those guys putting y'all in the right position
is what eventually, you know, helped you guys, you know,
get over that hump.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, most definitely. Yeah, So that was that was dope
to see.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
But you gotta tell me about that that COVID year man,
because I couldn't imagine being in college dealing with that
because the rules we had was already felt crazy enough.
And then now you're thinking about I'm thinking about a
whole campus and how they have to kind of probably
figure all that out. Yeah, you got to speak on

(08:56):
that a little bit for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I mean it was it wasn't bad when it came
like school, because it's like I didn't have to go
to class, you know, I just had to make sure.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I was online, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
And Zoom Zoom was pretty bad because it was just
like dang, I really got to be on camera all day.
But I mean when they started not really doing classes,
it was just online work. That's what made like COVID cool.
But on the football side of that, the football aspect,
it was horrible.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like every day we had to check in, we had
to do swath tests, we had to u Like the
locker room was crazy. We only had to We had
one section of the locker room for like five six
different groups during like workouts and stuff. So like if
one group was in the other group came to be
in the locker room at all. And then you know
how we had the pods. In that pod, you couldn't
go to any other pod, you couldn't do anything. Showers,

(09:44):
you couldn't shower in the facility anymore. Practice, you had
to wear masks for lists, for running. Then they put
the little what's it called, the little clear face mask covering.
It was just all bad and it's like, man, we
can't we're testing every we can't touch each other, but
we can go sweat and bleed and do all this
stuff on each other. Like it makes no sense. It

(10:06):
made no sense because it's like, bro, like we're playing
real football. We're hitting each other, we're sweating, we're bleeding,
we're touching each other still, So how I was like,
wearing a mask gonna do like has It's gonna change everything.
And that's what the whole the whole thing was just bad.
And then you know game days, leaving on Friday to travel.
I think it was going to somewhere. I don't know

(10:26):
where we was going. I think UCLA is something I
don't know. And we're literally about to get on a plane.
We were about to get on the bus to the airport.
Get a phone call talking about yeah man, somebody tested
positive over there.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Games canceled, go home, like.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Whole game Like, we're literally about to get on the
bus to go to the airport to fly out, and
we get a text message on team where it's talking
about yeah man, the games canceled. You guys can go home,
Like that's that was just like the worst part of
preparing all week to not be able to have a game,
and then we do have a game, it's no fans
in there, and you know, the college atmosphere with fans

(11:01):
and stuff like that, it just felt like it was
in like you football or something, but actually nobody was there.
So I mean, it was a it was a different
aspect than everything. It was so like intricate of what
we can do where we can access in the facility,
because we can't use the whole facility.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So it was just like it was tough.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
But you know, that's why I'm glad I had them
extra four years after the red shirt twenty nineteen and
then COVID game me another year, so then I had
a real you know, college career after that. But you
know that that twenty twenty season was was horrendous.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, I can only imagine because I'm just like, bro,
we got all the time in the world in the
league being my rookie year, but then, like you said,
like not getting that experience with the fans, like going
out there running outside. You know, it really did feel
to me like just like spring practices like it like
it was super dead.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
You could hear everything out there.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's like I've never thought about how much conversation and
communication is actually going on within the game because you
usually don't hear it, but then you can like hear
every single thing, you know, And it just felt weird
because obviously, like now your family can't come to the games,
Like I don't even know what it was like for
you guys, like outside of the facilly and stuff like that,

(12:18):
outside of the school part, but like we couldn't even
hang out with people, right, like our wives, girlfriends and
stuff like that. Like they couldn't even leave the house,
Like they couldn't hang out with anybody, because if they
come back and they test positive and then you know,
us just being around them and that could spark something
or if you did get it, like you were missing

(12:40):
weeks and guys were losing jobs because of COVID too,
Like that's the other aspect of it. Like obviously, you know,
COVID was a huge thing just like for the world,
with people you know, losing the loves and stuff like that,
but like just in our small little bubble of you know,
sports world, like people were losing their jobs because they
got COVID. Like say, your guy like kind of on
the bubble or you're the third fourth guy whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
You get COVID and you missed two weeks, that's easy.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That's easy. Cut right there, it's easy. It's like, oh done,
and then like you don't come back. Like I always
tell people, like my rookie year was so damn crazy
because I had at least I called it the the
COVID corner because like when I was in Buffalo, like
where I was, what my locker was, that's silly. It

(13:29):
was like in this back area right probably the best
place because nobody could see you, like they had to
really walk back to come get you whatever. So like
they would send every dude that was new to the
team right from people either getting cut or just COVID
things happening. Okay, this guy got to miss two weeks,
Like it was only me and one of our punters

(13:50):
back there, and it was like four spots in between
at four lockage in between that bro.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I've seen so many people sit at those lockers like
I have. I had some my.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Own stuff like cleats or whatever in some of those
lockeries because you know, I'm like all right, Well, they
gonna keep bringing people in here, I might as well
just go ahead and say these tools essentially mine, like
and then they can just kind of figure out the
other two spots or whatever. So but it was weird
because it was like, bro, it's new people every week,
felt like like every time like and I'm like, damn,

(14:24):
this ship is real because people are losing the jobs
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
So it was. It was. It was a weird time,
just like in the league, because I mean, you go
to away games, no fans, you.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Trying to figure out, Bro, how am I supposed to
find this this extra juice that I'm the kind of
need right now. When I just look around, I turn
around and I don't see nothing. Maybe I see like
the screens or whatever it may be. They they putting
fake crowd noise, you know, how cool turn it out
getting the fake crowd noise and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It was. It was a weird ass year.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But like it was also like a good year for
like a lot of football, at least in the NFL.
It felt like guys just played hell free. I didn't
have to think about much mentally. I felt like because
I was thinking about the NBA like the NBA with
the bubble bubble. People always say that's something of the
best damn basketball they ever seen.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
That championship don't count.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Though, yeah, yeah, I'm a big Laker fan, but I
mean not a big like I used to be a
Laker fan, you know, RP, you know, mister Dean, but
that's my guy.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
But when Lebron came in there, so that that championship
don't count.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
But Mickey, he's uh, he'd be trying to make sure
that people know it count for Shure.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I want to go back to what Alex said
about the brotherhood and the in COVID year.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
There's the brotherhood was hard.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
To you know, keep at Utah just because you know,
like you said, you couldn't be around anybody when you
left the facility and stuff like that, you couldn't be
around nobody. We tested every single day and they still
wouldn't allow us to be around our teammates. And it's like, bro,
we just practiced with them earlier. Why can't we be
around them like outside of the facility or you know,
hanging out at the crib or whatever. And you know

(16:14):
that's what a brotherhood kind of like. It was hard
to keep intact because of that, and so you know,
I don't want to get canceled. But you know, we
had a little party one day for Halloween. I think
it was for Halloween or whatever it was during that
twenty twenty year. And you know, because you know we
as a football team, as a college athlete, I think together,

(16:36):
being together is like what you want to do, you
know what I'm saying, Like, that's how you become closer,
that's how the guys become brothers. And so you know,
we just had a little get together and uh, you know,
I don't even know what happened, but it was It
was a good little time because you know, everybody we
never seen each other outside of football because of that season.

(16:56):
So we just did it one time and it was
cool and it was cool to have everybody back.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Together for a second.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, you need that, like because people don't understand,
like off the field is where you build the bond
for the stuff. Like on the field, everybody's gonna play
because they're gonna play first for the name on the
back of the jersey, Right, everybody wants something out of
the game, right, But when you can actually bond with
the guys like off the field and you've got things

(17:25):
you can actually do, is playing the game, or go
hoop or go work out together or whatever, go get food,
whatever it may be. Like that makes everything so much
easier because you find that extra push in the game
when you know you out there, you're not just doing
it for yourself or your family, like you're also doing
it for these guys right next to you. And the

(17:46):
best teams I've been on, I've always had that, like you,
I've always seen where we were off the field strong.
We were really strong off the field that it allowed
us to be really damn good on the field. And
like you know, thinking that when I was in Buffalo,
like we had a real like family off the field.

(18:07):
Like in the NFL, you don't really find that a lot.
It's really hard to find a team where they are
actually family because you got so many different things. When
you got people kids, wise, you know, their own personal interests,
you know, pecking orders sometimes just doesn't allow for genuine connections.

(18:29):
Sometimes just happen and stuff like that. Like a lot
of times you see the rookies hang with the rookies
like legitimately right then you see guys that aren't going
to probably be there for long kind of hang with
each other, and then you got like it's so many different.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Groups, it feels like, and more so of its just
being a family. But like when I was in Buffalo,
indeed we really had that, and you.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Know, you can see just winning football come from people
doing the things off the field. So like you mentioned
that about the brotherhood off the field like being a struggle,
Like it's hard to now go out there and go
play football at that certain type of a level that.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
You used to when you get some of those things
kind of stripped away.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, because I'm like, I don't know you, Like I
don't know this guy as much as I would have
known him if we would have been hanging out outside
of the facility. Like it's hard to go play for
somebody that you don't really know, especially like the new
guys coming in. There's a lot of new guys coming in,
and so like I had the opportunity to know Tie
because he was in the same room as me, But
what if he wasn't in the same room as me,
you know, it would be hard to uh, you know,

(19:32):
know the guy who's playing and when we're not even
hanging out because we can't hang out and so you
know that thing that was a big thing. Like I
don't even remember some of the guys that came in
that COVID year that wasn't in my room or on
the office side.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Just because of that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, and you speak about like so many new guys.
That kind of is to my next point about the
NIL stuff because the year I left was the year
the next year that they opened up the floodgates about
that night, so like for you and it kind of
goes into the brotherhood stuff like that, well, like having
so much turnover from new teammates constantly, Like you know,

(20:10):
we've been talking about it. Just like this team that
the youth have right now, it's like fifty percent turnover likes.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I'll say, like thirty five.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, Like so it's crazy because the NIL is kind of,
you know, driven a lot of that type of stuff.
You know, guys are trying to figure out how much
money they can make and stuff like that, and they
go to those kinds of schools.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Sometimes it may not even.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Be the best day of fit for them, but they
don't really think about that part. But like, can you
speak about like NIL stuff, because we were touching about
it a little bit last night and forty hour part,
and you know you actually played in it like your
hall where I was right up the cusp of it.

(20:56):
And then we had a lot of guys other guys
that you know, never thought they had damn probably see
the day of light of that.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
So can you speak.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
On just like how the nil kind of one could
have affected your guys's team. Obviously you guys had s
cess during it, right, but still even with success, there's
a lot of different things that go on that could
be you know, obviously not deemed.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Successful or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So can you speak about like just nil, how you know,
the coaches to some degree kind of like initiated and
like the conversations or whatever, just like a little background
look at what kind of that was those first couple
of years of it being just so brand new to
every day body.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
So, I mean the biggest thing was, like I think
the twenty twenty one to twenty two season, it wasn't much.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
In il going on.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know, guys had a little here and there, but
it wasn't as big as it was. And say twenty
twenty three, twenty two, those championship years were pretty easy. Uh,
you know, they had to select you guys you know,
making a little bit of money and not nothing crazy.
Wasn't thousands, one hundred thousands of dollars, but you know,
and they kind of had it to where almost everybody

(22:11):
had something. So like with the CW, big shout out
to them. They they're, uh, you know what is it? Yeah,
the c W. Right, I don't know right now, but
the shout outs to Colin Wright. He's a good guy.
He made sure like almost everybody on the team had
something to do with that. And so they you know,
when we got headphones and you know, thousand dollars and whatnot,

(22:32):
that was cool because everybody had a chance to be
a part of it. And now when we get to
you know, these later years where it's actually bigger thing
where people transfer because of prices and stuff and you
know whatever, that's when it became a problem. And I
think the biggest thing about NIL is, at least from
my point perspective, is that they were paying guys to

(22:55):
come in rather than paying guys that were there. You know,
you had the select few that were getting paid that
was already on the team. You know, it's a big name.
You know, my boy cameras and shout out, can that's
my guy. But he was getting paid because you know
he's a QB and you know the things he's done.
And then you got got just like me, I didn't
really get none, you know. But then you know, speaking

(23:15):
in Utah and know everywhere else but Utah paying the
transfers to come in, and you know, that's what it
became kind of like hard to you know, figure out,
because I mean, obviously you're trying to get guys in
with the transporter. You need guys to come to school,
and so you have to pay them, but you're not
paying the guys who have been there and stuff like that,

(23:35):
who's done the deed and who's uh you know, knows
the culture and stuff like that. And you know, so
that's where the whole transfer thing and the nil becomes,
you know, kind of sketchy, is because you know, it's
hard to find a winning team and bring guys in
without the money. But you need the money and you

(23:57):
need to pay them to get in. But at the
same time, like I said, I was barely seeing nothing.
But you know, my thing was and if I can
go back, I would ask way more, you know, just
I would ask for way more. But my whole thing
was I don't care about college money because my goal
is the NFL. I'll make my money when I make

(24:19):
it to the league. And you know, you know, looking
at it right now, I'm like, dang, should have made
money when I was back then, because you know, the
league stuff is kind of tough.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
When we're touch on that a little bit later, but.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
You know, I ain't making nothing right now, and I
could be sending on money if I were just to
be like, you know what, let me start now.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a good point you
made about, like, you know, paying the guys that are
already there, who already have put a lot into the foundation,
verus just paying the guys outside. And it kind of
just puts into my mind, like just the free agency
stuff and then the guys will get drafted to a

(24:58):
certain team, right Like certain teams are gonna pay their
guys before they go into free agency, right Like they're
gonna pay their homegrown talent, the guys that you know
it was here, you know, and things like that, and
it has floors the under their supervision and stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
So like that's.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Funny to me to hear that because I'm like, I'm surprised, Like,
you know, the school wasn't like super over the guys
that were already there, Like I understand, And it's two
different business models, right, you can't really.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Fault it either way.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Like I said, I'm saying, teams and organizations, Okay, we're
going to pay our guys, like when I was in Buffalo,
like I already knew.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Okay, if guys.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Knew, if you do well in Buffalo and you get
drafted in Buffalo, right, they're going to take care of you, right.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Just same thing in Indie if the.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Coach drafted you and you did well, in their eyes,
they were going to pay home grown.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
They're going to keep their guys. Right.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It was kind of like what we're talking about, you know,
people justifying what they're doing, right, and and you have
the other teams you know where they spend a lot
of money in freatecy, right, they don't really keep and
retaining their guys.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
They keep bringing.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
New people in and people trying to feel like they're
trying to catch up to something that may not kind
of be realistic for them. So just hearing that, I mean,
I'm not surprised by just because there's just two different
ways on how people do it. Hopefully you know, you know,
they start seeing the other side. Maybe I think it's
better because that makes more people want to come overall, and.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Maybe they get in there earlier. Maybe they just commit there.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, maybe they transfer a year out of another school
and actually want to stay because they know they're going
to be taken care of or whatever. But it's just
so much gray area with that nil stuff too. It's
just like so many different things going on. Like I said,
I love that guys are you know, actually able to
get something out of it, like just period. Like I

(26:55):
love that they're able to get something out because athletics, man,
it it does a lot for university and if you
really like get down to the nitty gritty on the
numbers and stuff like that. Man, it's way more than
I'm probably even like making it seem like.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
So it's great to see that they are doing it.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Wish they would have kind of had like a pay
scale to some degree where you said, like where you know,
you've been there six years, right and you've played and
you know, done a lot at the school and have success,
like I said, champion at the same time two time champion, right,
you want to see a pay scale, right, versus guys
saying man, I wish I would have asked for more

(27:39):
or X, Y and Z, Like those are things that
I thought, you know, they didn't get a chance to
think about, not even just the school, just the NCAA overall,
because it just it's opened up the floodgates. It just
went haywire. It was like people were just fending for
themselves to some degree because I know guys had like
you know, marketing agents and you know financial agents, you know, parents.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Acting as financially said time.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
So it was like it just felt like and I'm
on the outside of the man, right, and I can
just be thinking, like damn, I know for a fact,
like it's just shit is just everywhere everywhere. But hopefully
they figure out a way to get that to a
way where guys can you know, make some good money, right,
and that can you know, catapult them into another side

(28:29):
of their life where you know, the league may be
not something that you do for ten years or five
years or whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
It may be. Right, that's the great head starts.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Because we were talking about it, and we had Derek
on last night and we're talking about like this guys
and you know that play and then they get injured, right,
they get have these injuries and they aren't able to
go have any opportunity at the NFL. But at least
from the pay scale to something Degreeti've allowed them to
make a decent amount of I mean, you know, after that,

(29:01):
whatever they do with it, it's kind of on them.
But it's like that would have been cool to see.
But obviously it just feels like their hand was like
hell of forced on it. She just opened up. And
now they're trying to like figure out and get some
restraints back on it, which I think is not gonna.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Happen, but we'll see. Yeah, not most definitely.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, So mkay, I want to I want to chime
in on this man and direct the conversation a little bit.
We obviously appreciate your time, you know, so you know
I play running back, right, you are an OG when
it comes to the two way. I want your thoughts

(29:45):
on if it's sustainable for the guys throughout the season,
but I also want you to talk about that experience
then also that video too, when that guy did that
and you went viral as well.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Man, Yeah, I mean that was that was That was
a great moment. I wish I could have done some
more with that. You know, I don't really have a
creative mind like that, but I think I was just
listening to the fans on that one, just like you
should put that on the shirt.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
You should put that on the shirt.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I'm like, you know what, mine as well, And
somebody hit me up and got it all going. And
I think that's really that's where I made money myself
rather than you know, the school getting it to me.
That's where NIL was helpful is when I was able
to use my own platform to mix money. And so
I felt like that that is when NIL is at

(30:35):
its best, when you go out there and do the
work and you get paid for doing that work. And
so but yeah, watching that video that coach thirty man,
he did me dirty in that video, and.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I just don't know, Like I was just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm like, bro, like does he not know that I
don't even play this position then, Like I don't even
do this, Like I'm just out there just you know,
trying to make a name for myself, trying to do
what's right for the team, trying to help the team win,
and I'm getting clown off, and I was just like,
you know, I play running back. I'm trying to tell him,
like I play running back. I play running back. And
it wasn't even something I was just thinking of. It

(31:12):
was just saying and like I said, defense, you know,
took it and ran with it. Now with that being
sustainable for like the guys right now, I don't think so. Man,
that stuff is a going both ways and doing all
that is it's very tough and the body, Like I
can see how Travis Hunter did it just because you
know he's playing the outside positions and you know there's

(31:34):
not really much contact and stuff like that. But when
you're going from you know, running back to safety as
Smith Stodon is doing right now, that that's when it
gets tough and you know you can do it. But
for a whole season, I don't. I don't know, but
he looked good out there. I will say Smith looked
good wearing number two.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I'm glad. You know it kind of stayed in the room.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
But you know, sustainable, not really unless you know you're
holding back at practice and stuff like that. But if
he if he's gonna be out there playing running back
and you know, going out there and playing safety or
corner or whatever it might be. It might be a
little bit difficult.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Sure, I mean, uh, I just thought about, like, well,
you also guarding first round draft picks. Yeah, you wouldn't
dis guard, you know, just some dudes that you know
may have been highly recruited like you were.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean all those dudes are essentially starting receivers in
the NFL right now.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Harrison Jackson Smith Yeah, and Shroud was the quarterback, right uh,
yep him, and then they had Henderson as the running back.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Like so you ain't Yeah, like that's not gonna be
an easy task. Didn't come back.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
But that's a good point because obviously with Snowden playing
the running back position also like that that's a lot
on your body overall, just playing that position just for
twenty snaps, right, because you know, obviously they're not ask
him the past program and stuff like that, but still
just when he does get it, you know, you got
four or five people landing on you every single time.
And I like that they're using him just a little bit.

(33:15):
I don't love that they use him essentially so much
in the first game of the year because that kind
of show to me your hand a little bit because
I think they got two dudes and I will ask
you this because you know, they got two dudes in
that backfield that are pretty good, like you know, and
with that offensive line they have the office a line

(33:37):
is moving people without like it's like it's it looks
too easy almost like and I just want to ask, like, Okay,
you playing with Cam. Cam was considered a dual threat.
In my eyes, I would have said, Cam's a dual threat, right,
what do you think playing you know with a guy

(33:58):
like dam Pierre and you know, and that offer is
a line at that level of those guys are playing
right now with the OC. Because you also played with Love.
Love is Love is a great OC. It took me
a whole like I had three different O season four
years and we had Troy Taylor that was the longest

(34:23):
dude we had for two years straight. And then we
had Love and Love was a whole different style of
offense that I was ever used to because, like many
people don't know, like I only played I started playing
running back my senior year in high school full time,
right and obviously playing with Snoop, we were gunn We

(34:43):
wasn't never understand.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I can't count on my hand how many times I've
seen Snoop.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Go under center ever, Right, So, like I was only
used to gun, so like freshman year, in those two
years up until junior, I was like, Okay, this is
easiest gun. But with love, he just implemented outside zone
runs and just different style things that I was just like, damn,
I'm not used to none of this shit. But what

(35:09):
do you think playing with a guy like Dan Pierre
in this offense with back and just seeing, you know,
after watching that first game, seeing how that offense is
getting the ball out fast and know all that type
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Like where do you think how you would have probably
flourished in that offense?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, so the offense, the old line, big shout out
to the old line. They're doing a tremendous job in
the beginning of the season, starting the first game. But
I had those guys and you know, the first four
games before you know, injuries occurred and stuff like that,
and they were moving guys. I think I was averaging
like six seven yards to carry and so those guys
those are vets right now. And just to see him

(35:46):
playing like that in that first game, that's that's amazing
that they had, you know, a full off season to
go get healthy and you know, get back to work.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Don't know about the offense. Man, I'm kind of biased.
I love Bludd's offense. I think that prepared me for
you know, my time I've done in the league so far. Uh,
just what the offense it is. And but watching it,
it looks good, it looks great balls getting out there quick.
Dan Pier is doing a great job of you know
creating you know, pron lanes and you know, being in

(36:17):
a pocket and scrambling around. He looked very efficient. But
I will say I'm scared because.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
U.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
C l A was just not It was in a
great defense. I'm watching it and I'm like, there there's
no edge containment, there's not this the guys getting around
they had at one point it was an eight man
boxed offense. Had eight men in the box and they
only had five.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
So it's just.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Like U c l A was just not a great
defense to really you know, see what that offense can
really do.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
They they did a great job of just picking them apart.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
So shout out to you know, coach Beck with that.
But you know, I'm very biased. It's a great offense.
I wouldn't want to be in it just because I
think being in you know, Love's offense prepared me for
what I have to do when I got to the league,
and it was on those two teams that made it
easy to learn. The playbook wasn't too difficult, and I
already had the same footwork and all this, so wentn't

(37:17):
trade it for anything.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, LUs offense is definitely a pro style ready offense,
Like you know, thinking about the backs you had of
Wisconsin obviously, you know, Melvin Bred being one of those
guys that just pops in my mind, like you know
when I when I heard it he was coming back
to the school and being able to have an opportunity
to play in the offense.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Like it was a lot of different learning curves for sure, Like.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Just footwork, Like we were running duo like you saw
like they run league, You run duo all damn day,
and so like learning that, Like when I first ran
duo and he was like, Okay, well you got to
read the mic linebacker, and I was like, I've never
essentially had to read a linebacker, So that was like

(37:59):
different just understanding like that being like that's a backs
play like he has the way he explained to me,
He's like this is a running bass. But like, if
you're really good back, you can make this duo or
play go any single way you wanted to go. So
I definitely wish I would have probably played like at
least another year in Loves offense, like just having two
years in that offense, because that's like my last year

(38:20):
was the first year, and I was just like learning
this ship the whole way through and just like just
relying on like instincts and ship to just take over
or whatever. But yeah, like I was watching his office
and I'm just like, man, I think with as much
space and they they create on that field, like they
have guys split out so wide and with that office

(38:44):
being lined being so dominant, and then you have a
guy who would run the ball, who's a thousand year
old rusher, Like you know, I was telling these guys
the other day, like I loved them period. He's able
to run. I think that's a great piece to have.
Somebody can do that. Like if I'm a back man,
he's got more carries than me. Yeah, I'm gonna be pissed,

(39:09):
like pissed because now you're taking you know, essentially fool
off my play like and like I said, like he's
a great runner, Like that's obviously a part.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Of the offense.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
You got a half, right, but maybe eight runs instead
of I think he has sixteen runs. And I'm just like,
for me, it showed some weaknesses in the offense that
could come up when you play against these really good
teams that are gonna end up playing here really soon.
So you know, we were talking about the game coming

(39:40):
up this week with Kyle poly and stuff like that. Obviously,
you know, I just called it the Glori five walk
Through Spring Game whatever.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
And it is because I've been thinking of him. So
I want to go to this game, but I'm gonna
leave about the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Like that's a waste of two I'm just like, I
don't know, because it is going to be that type
of a game. But at the same time, it's a
it's a great game.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
For a lot of these guys to get a lot
of growth and confidence because.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Death, Like you guys have a lot of death in
those championship teams, Like you can't go to that place
where you want to go just being a super top
heavy team.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
So them having a lot of question marks just on
offense or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'm looking forward them to have a big game this
week with just a lot of the young guys, like
guys that you probably don't know, right, guys that have
transferred in and.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Like seeing those guys put it in on tape. That's
like the biggest thing I really want to see for
this game.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So how do you feel about Like, Okay, so say
when we had those games where we played Florida, you know,
a big SEC team and stuff like that. Do you
like those type of games in beginning the season, non
conference games or do you like these games where you
can see you know, you know it's gonna be a blowout,
but you can see these young guys play perfect world.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I think you want to have at least one of
each if you can, right.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
I don't love like we play.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Weep or State one year, then we played North Dakota,
you know something like that before. Like I love those
warmth games because you do need that because it's not
just for us. Also, it's like for the coaches, like
how they want to call things, how they plays look
good versus this type of defenses that other schools might
run obviously just with different talent. You know, you get

(41:31):
an idea of how officiated it might be for the year. Like,
it's a lot of little different things also just for
those guys as well. So I like having those you know,
glorified a little walkthrough games.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
But though you know, yeah, the rankings do, that's what
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Now, it's a big thing with that, like because the
college football playoffs is so they expanded it.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
So it's like you do want to have those big
games in there.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
And I think it helps players too when you can
go put on tape that you played against SEC school, right,
that helps a lot when these guys are trying to
you know, draft and you know, walk up and stuff
like that or whatever. So like I love when I
seen you guys play down in Florida. I was like, damn,
I wish we would have scheduled you know, any type
of a game versus an SEC school, right, could have

(42:19):
been obviously the best of the best or you know, wait,
Forest Vanderbilt type schools or whatever. Hell, But like, because
that does matter when you go to that next level
of who you have played, because the pack essentially it's
always been one of the conferences where when you're getting
the league, it's not doesn't have that same aura as

(42:42):
a Big twelve or SEC or even ACC right, Like
you your pack was always kind of just that back
tier kind of thing where you know, it didn't get
the respect. So like if having those games early on,
I think that's when you need.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
To do it. Regardless, it's just because you don't want
to play those.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Type of games in the back here where it doesn't
really matter essentially or whatever.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
So yeah, you need them for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
It also depends on the roster and like, don't schedule
that ship if you have got the roster to go
and you know, go up there and go toe to
toe like teams that we were on. Yeah, I feel
like we had like those teams. I would have been
like all right, cool, But like I wouldn't just schedule
like this.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Team, this this team right now.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
No, I'm not scheduling against the SEC school because there's
not much turnover. You don't know exactly what the hell
you got yet, right versus you know, you guys come back.
You know, can you guys come back year of the
year for two years in the row?

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You got to too, you got a quarterback played in
your system for two years, you got to backs play again.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
System two years.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You got people off the line, you know, turnover all right, cool,
I'm more comfortable as an ab head whatever saying you
know what, let's go play Florida and let's go playing
down there. You know, to me, that makes more sense
when you feel like that roster is boasted up enough
to you know, take on something like that.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
And that was a great damn game.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
No, that was Yeah, That's what I was asking because
you know the rankings and you know, with the expansion
of the playoffs and stuff like that, it's like if
say we're back in the PAC twelve, we're trying to
get ranked, right, you know, they don't give it, like
you said, much respect to the guys in the PAC
twelve and this and that and the third. So you know,
playing that Florida team was big because he's like, okay,

(44:37):
we can compete. You know, the ranks going to look good.
We lost that game, but you know, the rankers look
good when it when it came out, and you know
with guys playing Wyoming and cal Poly, you know, a
bad UCLA team, you know, how do you That's why
I wanted to know how you thought about that. So
I like that, Yeah, it doesn't matter about the team.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yeah, it does. To me.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
It's the biggest things is roster, Like, yeah, if I
feel comfortable in my team, all right, cool.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
It's not like the league where.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You know, shit just get thrown at you and you're
just like, all right, should be playing the.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Eagles week one. Right, they don't end up to you
at that point, right, but still just like you know.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Like I said, I wish we would have played some
of those teams because, like I said, like the pack
being what the pack, how it was looked at, Like
even that nineteen team where we were ringing, I think
them five going into the Oregon game packed to a
championship game, like there was a lot of talk just
about even if we won that game, like we would
have had to.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Blow them out just to sneak in, just now, sneak in.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Until the final four, right, because I think Oklahoma was
right there as well, and you know they have just
the big we're in the Big ten of Big twelve Oklahoma, Okay,
big ten, yeah, big ten.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
I think they were Big twelve at the time. Twelve
yeah at the time.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, So them being big twelve at the time, they
would want I don't know if they wanted lost that game,
I can't remember now, but like, let's say they win
a lot. It was a lot of talk about them
still jumping us, even though we were ranked five at
the time, them getting in over us, and you know, I.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Was just like that just shows to some degree.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And I think at that time we had one seven
eight game Winter like we weren't losing and we were
slapping everybody like we wasn't, you know, thirteen to twenty,
Like these were games decided very early and stuff like that,
like we were making sure we put teams out of
the way that were supposed to be out of the way.
But yeah, and as just to your point, like definitely
you gotta have, you know, the strength of record when

(46:42):
it comes to you know, rankings and stuff like that,
because when teams look I mean, when those people who
do those rankings look back at it, they definitely are
going to be like, Okay, you open up the first
two weeks with UCLA team that's probably gonna win three
or four games, and turn around and you play a
Kyle Poly team that just doesn't have the respect.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
So you know, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I think the biggest thing for them guys is to
stay locked in what the hell they need to do
and not allow you know, the external factors to you know,
seep in. And the main thing is going to be
making sure when they play certain teams that they put
up the points.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Because the style is a style that you play too.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Like you're just beating you used to lay twenty one
zip or you're not gonna move that needle the way
that needle probably should be moved.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Like cal we were talking.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
About the over under, like sixty points. You put up sixty,
we won't be ranked twenty five. You might just move
up twenty two to twenty three or whatever it may be,
depending on what happens throughout that week.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
But yeah, definitely you gotta have strengths schedule for sure.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, and then let's let's move on to the NFL preseason.
How do you feel about that? And you know, I
had a chance to playing the last preseason game for
the Patriots, but you know, it is what it is,
where you know, got no starters in really and you know,
I'm just playing against guys came out from college and
stuff like that. So you know, how do you feel

(48:13):
because I know you played in the couple yourself. How
do you feel about the NFL preseason as to like
a non conference game in college?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I hate preseason.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Just because like even though you playing non conference in college,
it still matters for your tape, right, Like if you
can go out there and get a hundred and.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Fifty yards or go for three hundred and fifty or.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Catch a hunting plus, like that still does fucking matter, right,
because if you don't do that, ship you got eighty
yards versus fucking Kyle Bally and you got twenty carries.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Now they go turn to film on and be like, damn,
why is he struggling here? Right? So, like you still
want to have those big games.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Because it's still that that that that part where it
doesn't matter for where you.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Want to go. But preseason also it preseason depends.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
On where you were slid at depth chart and kind
of like I said, follow the money man, it tells
you everything on how things go. Like I've seen God
shitt in preseason, but they made enough money so they
never worried about that. Then I've seen guys play really
good in preseason and it didn't you know, work out
in their favorite because where they were slotted and where

(49:26):
they were picked.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
And where they were brought in things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Because all that stuff matters, Like guys get a lot
of opportunity, Like I've seen first round picks not be
first round picks, right, but they get the opportunity, opportunity, opportunity,
opportunity because they were a first round pick. So for me,
preseason was I never really really cared much about it,

(49:53):
Like I always just wanted to go out.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
And make sure that I did essentially what I needed
to do.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Versus my mindset was never go out there and try
to dominate in these preseason games because I never usually
was worried about, you know, where I might be at
that time in the roster.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
But like going into season, like you always wanted to make.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Sure that you get enough ship, Like I always wanted
to make sure, Okay, if I'm being these preseason games,
like and somebody's blisten, I can't let somebody who's you know,
undrafted linebacker come in and make me look like I
ain't supposed to be out here or something, right, So
like it was also the aspect like you don't want

(50:33):
to look bad more so than anything, and you just
want to make sure you do just enough to where
you feel comfortable so when the season does come around,
because practice is hard for it practice so it's like
they let you, they don't tackle you, so you get
a three yard run essentially really in live game. But
then you feel like you got a fuck a thirty

(50:53):
yard run and it's not a thirty yard run, like
you're not making that type of the coach, but he's
not making that tackle.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
But sometimes you gonna make that time. So it's like
you never know.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
But like when you get out there in the preseason,
those guys are still good enough. Like I said, like
if you get opportunity lead you play in the league, whatever,
it is like you clearly were good enough to go
right there for a reason. Yeah you're here for a reason.
So it's like you still want to go out there
and make sure you're doing the right thing. So but
like I said, I don't love preseason. I know they've been,

(51:22):
you know, trying to figure out a way because I
know it was at four games now three to try
to kind of keep moving that needle down. But that's
hard because the preseason does matter for a lot of
other guys because that's when they get their looks. Like
we talked about it, just like you know, guys who
get drafted later or undrafted, like you don't get.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
A lot of that opportunity in practice to.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Show what you can do, right, Like preseason is where
you get your opportunity not to just audition for the
current team you're on, put to the audition for all
thirty one other teams. And I always told young guys
that's been rooms, like I know it sucks because they
fucking sucks, Like I can I cannot can see it
because ship if I'm in practice, man, we got.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Seven eight running backs.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Man, hey shit, let's rotate this a little bit, so
somebody just stay fresh, right, And like I've seen guys
not get a reprodise right and then get thrown to
the wolves in a preseason game, and then you're act
to operate at a pro level because when you're get
in the leader, there's not a lot of teaching, right,
Like you essentially need to have already been taught a.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Lot of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And that's kind of just the way coaches at that
level kind of look at things because they've been in
the league for a while might have even played, and
that's just how that shit goes. It's like you learn
a lot from you know, guys in your room, vets
that take it upon themselves to you know, try to
con tinue to help guys because they were helped at

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one point in time and things like that. So I
don't really care much for preseason football, but I understand
the purpose of it is guys.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I don't get a ton of.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Those opportunities to go out there because man, you have
a big preseason game, one of them, you puts on
on film, you make highlight plays, you make it supposed
to play right. All the other thirty one GMS, scouts
or whatever it may be, wherever you're at, are going
to see that and they're going to remember that, and

(53:30):
that's going to be huge for guys for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, and you had a chance. I haven't been to
training camp. I haven't, you know, but what how do
you compare fall camp in college to training camp in NFL?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Fall camp was.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Cool, I'll say that, like, we had it hard obviously
coach with and those guys got everything out of you
because that's the first time you actually only do ball
right schools, not in at that moment in time, like
staying at the up at the hotel and all these
different things. Like everything you do is ball from the

(54:12):
time you wake up to the time you get back
to the hotel, which can be seven eight o'clock at night, right,
Like it's twelve hours of straight ball, right, And at
first it testes how much you love ball. Like when
I was my first fall camp here, I was like, man,
I don't know if I like this shit that much,

(54:35):
not that much, because it was just it's just you
never have done it before, like high school, you got school,
you got you know, so like that, then you go
to practice for like two three hours or whatever. And
in the beginning the spring stuff, you still going to classes.
So then when fall camp comes around, it slaps you
in the face because now it's like, okay, it tests

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you to see, Okay, how are you gonna be with
your routines, how are you gonna be with your even
have it? How are you gonna be with your time?
Like are you gonna be one of those guys that
just don't take care of their body or just want
to be lazy as hell? Right, Because you got a
lot of time, also a little downtime sometimes just do
other things like, so it's like, how are you gonna
be with your time?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Because in the league, training camp.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Is twelve plus hours as well, like be there fucking
seven to seven like legitimately every day for three low
over three weeks, and they want to see how you
use your time because all that shit is also documented
and watched and stuff like that as well. So comparing
them wise, fall camp was definitely harder because I always

(55:45):
felt like in the league training camp, like the ones
and the twos, they got the majority of the work,
but the work was tailored a certain way to where
you didn't feel like you just die out there, you
know what I mean. Like fall camp always felt like
it was war like it just felt likemember, you got
nine o seven, we're not doing nine on seven, Like

(56:08):
you're not doing that, Like, to be honest with you, bro,
you're not even really running the ball that much, like
you're gonna have your few plays in there. And it
could be different for me because I played on two
pass heavy ass teams like a husband, like playing with Josh,
Like shit, Josh could have won the MVP at any

(56:29):
one of those years, like he was that damn good.
So like when we would go to practice and training camp.
We ain't really worried about the run game, Like we
ain't really trying to practice that shit.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
We're really trying to worry about make sure seventeen.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Is make sure his sword is as sharp as it
can be. Right, the same thing in Sincy Burrow, like
you're talking about you know, top five quarterbacks, Like everything
is tailored and centered around those guys, right, Fall camp
is tailored around the damn team team everybody he's getting work,
it ain't. You know I've walked off training camp practices

(57:03):
before him.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Like, sh it's easy today, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I got a few little catches in or something like that,
and I made my block, you know. And you know
in college, guys trying to run through your face sometimes,
like you know, every day, ain't no buddy system. Like
we definitely some buddy system for sure, you know what
I mean, Hey, ain't we ain't on that the day?
Y'all boys in locker room and then you get out there.
You always got a few guys that do some kind

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of shit. Okay, that's what we're doing, and they make
you look bad on films and ship right, So it's
like it's to me camp was always fal camp was
always harder just because the different aspects of it. We're
not building around on quarterback, right, We're not taking off
reps essentially, Like sometimes they'll.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Cut periods, we won't even do that period, right.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Special teams in college everybody kind of is intertwined with
special teams in some type of in some type of
a way in the league, if you don't play US teams,
that's fifteen to twenty minutes of practice time.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
That you don't do shit.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
You just either maybe get a little extra work if
you want to, or you still on the gatorady coolers
get getibated. Like that's literally you know, it's hard because
of the time and what it takes away, like your
family and kids, like, yeah, all that for sure if
you don't see him a lot. But fall camp in

(58:25):
college definitely much harder.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
For how many periods the most periods you've done fall.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Camp man we had my freshman year. We used to
practice on the damn baseball field, and that baseball field
was hot as shit, probably twenty four and then we
had the freshman stuff right after it, so that was
about another four, so close to maybe like a little

(58:53):
twenty eight, about twenty eight, twenty nine. Sometimes depending on
what it was what we were doing. But then it
started telling down, like we didn't start having that many
more periods and stuff like that. And then like in
training camp, depending on the team you're at, you don't
do gases after and then they take your helmet off.

(59:18):
Oh and you like you're the happiest kid in a miracle?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
What just taking what man? Like you said, shoulder pass off? Coach,
I remember you remember the bowl game? Alma. I'm thinking, Brom,
I remember that day, Bro, were running gasses for a
bowl game. I'm like, yo, I remember that day, Bro. Yeah,

(59:43):
it takes out. I'm like, yea twelve.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It's like this boy, you know what I mean, I'm
checked out. I'm like, yo, we're running gases, bro, like
for a bowl game. Like so it's like I count
on my hand how many times I ran gasses in
the lead, like legitimately had to go run some gases
like and if we did end up running for whatever reason,

(01:00:06):
it was always just run down and you stay time
or it would just get down there, stay take a second,
come back, you run it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
You probably run like three right, because everything is in
that league is you're already supposed to be ready. We're
not going to take time to get you ready. We're
not taking time to for none of that. Like, if
you ain't ready, then that's your ass and that's your job.