April 14, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode of The Uzazi Podcast, we talk about the real experiences of mothers who give birth through C-section. We explore what a C-section is, the trauma some mothers face, and the journey to healing—physically and emotionally. We also share insights on creating a natural healing balm, especially for C-section recovery. Winnie also tells us about her work running a postpartum wellness center that supports new mothers during their healing journey. Tune in for an honest and caring conversation made to support, inform, and uplift C-section moms.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Babe more baby mom.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it's absolutely free for every section mother.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So do I have to show my SCR to get in?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
You know, that's oh my goodness, that's a hard question.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Now what we do?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We do our background check, We ask you a few
questions and we get to know about you and of
course if you're a section mother, you can't hide that
you're well.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But in sid be can we want im before one? Monga?
And this is the Zazi Hub podcast where motherhood meets business.
I'm so excited about today's episode where we are met
and having an interesting conversation with Winni Wagaba contended, the
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founder and CEO of See Her Foundation as well as
postpartim Care Uganda. Her background, she started as a lawyer
like myself, practice for a little bit before joining the
entrepreneurship business, a sector. She's done a variety of businesses
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before settling down and getting married having kids. She's her
five time sea section mother. Should I say that again?
Five time see section? Oh my god, I had two
C sections and I can't even imagine going back. So
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I think that's where we should start. Tell me about
your journey to motherhood and these five Sea sections thank
you so much, Nabie. Of course, motherhood is amazing. It's
such an amazing journey. It's such an amazing experience, and
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when you're prepared for it, it's just they just sail through.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But when you're at prepared for it, like some of
us are, my goodness, it can take you for a ride.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Most times, I think most people see sections come like
as an emergency.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yes, actually most many it's an emergency.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Then some it's elective because after you've had like consecutive
seay sections, then you just have to have another sea section.
Like most times, you're not given an opportunity to try
and push, so it starts as an emergency and then
becomes elective at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and then of course there's some few ladies who
choose it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, and there's no shame in that. Yeah, we are
against shame on this podcast. So you do you yeah? Yeah?
So true. Yeah. So tell me more about yourself. Is
there anything that I skipped out that you would like
our own? Maybe that I'm a serial entrepreneur and my
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jack of all trades. I used to think the end
of that sentence was a master of none, but apparently
that's not it really yes, master of one or something
like that. Anyway, I'm also a jack of all trades,
so you have to try everything to figure out, you know,
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which one works works for you.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Where you're calling is where purpose in life is is.
So you try out so many until you get that
nature like this is where I belong.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah. Now you created this amazing product see her foundation
Healing bomb, and I'm giving you a testimony you're here
because it really really works. Although it says sea section healing,
I think you can use it for any muscular sort of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Actually, it's a pain relief bomb. Anyone can use it, ladies, gentlemen, children, anyone.
It's an instant pain reliever. And on top of that,
it helps in tissue healing and puts down inflammation in
the body.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So what is that? What is that healing process like
after sea section? Or maybe let me take it back,
how did you end up now doing you know, postpartum
care and creating this this bomb?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know, they say experience is the best teacher. Now,
through my first section, I had pain. I was actually
consistently taking the coina sort of put down the pain.
But every time you went to hospital they can't find
the cause of the pain. They tell you'll be fine,
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but that dragged through from my first bone to my
second bone. So it got me thinking, I'm like, if
I'm going to live like this for the rest of
my life, how can there be a solution? Yet my
only bathing solution is see section. If I'm going to
have sea sections, I can't live in this kind of
pain for the rest of my life. So that got
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me down into doing research finding out why are women
having this pain? Why are women always complaining they are
never fine, Like there is that something in their bodies.
I'm not fine. I have a headache, I have a
back ache. My back not like I couldn't do set ups.
You try to do set ups and the back is
so heavy. But the answers were not there. So I
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went on a mission to make sure I find these answers.
And when I found the answers, I had to come
out and lead the world know about what I had found.
And one of the answers was the ceram which helped
C section mothers to heal faster and to relieve that
pain that they're always complaining about, the back pain, the numbness,
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the headachs, everything.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Wow, that's amazing and I can't believe I forgot to
congratulate you for the official launch. Thank you see her foundation.
It was awesome. Thank you and.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks for attending, and thanks for being one of our moderators.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I know a panelist on one of your panels talking
about my journey postpartum. I'm a postpartum depression survivor and
I can't say it loud enough because a lot of
people hide, you know, in the shame and the guilt.
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And I liked at your launch that you brought this.
This is amazing mom. I think her name was Tabitha, Yes,
who told this story that? Really? You know, it perfectly
illustrated what it is that you do. So maybe you
can explain to us how do you help sea section mothers?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Now Like when you say that you listen to Tabitha's story.
One thing I've learned through doing this work is that
there is power in stories. I listened to your story
when you told me, and I was amazed. I was like, wow,
how can one person go through all this? And every
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time I listen to a C section story, it's different,
it's empowering, it's you get amazed at what these women
go through. So that is actually when I started to
see her foundation. I began from the minor things back pain,
someone about back pain, about the migraines after sea section.
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But when I began interacting with these women, oh my goodness,
the stories were amazing. So I was like, why don't
I create a platform where we get to listen to
these women's stories, get to listen to their pain deeper
and bring up a community where they can feel at home.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
They interact with fellow women going.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Through the same share these stories, help one another to recover,
give mental support, psychological support. We even have fitness programs,
but we exercise as a team and we're able to
achieve our fitness goals. We have meetups where we meet,
we talk, we share, we love. We even have MAM,
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a simpler program. We were trying to empower men economically because,
as you know, most section mothers, because of the complications
they get after that, most of them end up staying
at home. So we are trying to get for them
like economic activities they can do us they're at home
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nursing their babies. And we also do one to one,
one to one castling. So if we're not set someone
in the male in the group is not doing fine,
a volunteer, we call that person and support them physically
and emotionally. Then we have online massage classes. Now these
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are C section massage classes that help a mother to
heal physically that lower TIMEY want the sea sections car
and the back pain and to relieve that postagical trauma.
So we do those for our vulnerable communities. We do
them online.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, I think what you do is really amazing.
Thank you. And you skipped a part about how proceeds
from the sea section from the purchase of the sea secu,
maybe you can say it better complete.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now we see a foundation mixed the cea harbo bumb.
Now proceeds from the sea harbo bum. We use these
proceeds to reach out to the vulnerable community of see
section mothers in Uganda. We have advocacy programs, fitness programs.
So every time you buy a sea harbamb you are
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supporting a vulnerable sea section mother in your Ganda to
live a better and productive life.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That is really really I mean it's amazing because my
first sea section was an emergency C section and I
had to get the epiduo twice. Wow, because the first time,
it did not work, like I was feeling everything, So
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they injected me the second time and it still did
not work.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Now, well, every time I keep on telling me that,
I get shock because me even having the first epidural
was such a big hassle.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I cried. I would tell them stop, start, stop, stop stop.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Now, I can imagine if I had to go twice
in that inner period, just me from the hospital, I
can imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And even the second time it did not work, and
I was told them among that two percent or whatever,
so they had to put me to sleep. And I
think that greatly contributed to my postpartum depression because when
I woke up a couple of hours later, now it
had worked, so he took long to work, so it
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had kicked in and I was paralyzed from the neck down,
so they couldn't bring the baby until the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Every time I listened to your story, do you know
where the trauma of a sea section mother starts? It
starts from the moment she's told she's going to have
a sea section. Her body goes in scared mode. You're like,
am I going to survive? Am I going to come
up to maybe be okay? It is everything, Okay, will
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like survive this. Then now when you go to that hospital, Baid,
trust me that injection must I don't think it was
easy for it. It's never easy for me. Now even
that is a struggle for me. So you find that
now this trauma starts just being far into the theater.
Now that trauma is toward in the body. That is
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why even after you give birth, people say, my body
feels weird.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I feel weird. Pain.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's because pain is tension in the body. Negative that
is toward in the massons. So even that whole thing
of you folding your back to put that injection, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And when they tie you like you know, like you're
on the cross or something. You know, they tried you.
I think they first put you like this, and then yes,
before they because you have to be still, right, I'm
not even forgetting. Don't they put you like this and
then you have to be still, and then they put
that mirror. But that whole process of now you're lying
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down and they're putting a curtain, you know, in front
of you, like it's so terrifying. So I'm beginning for
my stand.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
For my side bone. I was seeing everything that was happening.
I saw in the light, I was saying, in the light,
I was in the reflection.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The other said, I can't imagine. My husband was also looking.
He kept peeping on this other side, and I'm like,
I just, I just, I just, I just can't though.
I felt everything my second my second one, I was awake,
but I could feel. I just couldn't feel that pain,
but I could feel that touch. So I could feel
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my stomach tearing into two. I could feel, you know,
it was so now surreal. When the pain came back,
I connected it to the touch and the trauma. I
now understand what you mean. I have to hear from
that trauma now.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
When I was seeing it happening through that light, it
was so fulfeeling. Because yes, because when they removed the baby,
I felt sudden relief. Let you sell your body go
empty all of a sudden, and then you have this
baby cry us like wow, everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Has a unique experience because I cannot relate to watch it.
That's why they said all humans are unique. I cannot
say I reca'd relate to what you're saying. But okay, okay, okay,
I can kind of understand, you know, And I think
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I missed that in my first pregnancy because I still
felt pregnant because I had not gotten that release. My
eyes were closed, I was asleep and I'm waking up.
They're telling me I gave birth. I'm like, where's my baby?
They're like, you can't hold your baby. You have to
wait till tomorrow. So that whole release of knowing now
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I have a baby in this world did not did
not happen, and I think that was also part.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Of the Actually, even for my first bone, I didn't
want to see the baby. I didn't want anything to
do with the baby. And after I was discharged, my
body remained looking pregnant even months later, but would keep
on asking me, WI, are you pregnant? And I give
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bath like months ago. So I met a friend one
and she's like, you know what, I think you should
tear your tommy. My tammy was so big, it was
so painful. Nothing would fit. I had like all these
sorts of gutters, you know, I had prepared for bathing,
but the mystamer couldn't fit in all these west trainers,
all these gutters, all these gardles or I couldn't fit.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So I was like, what am I supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So she brings.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She said, bringer, you know lesso to tie me. But
you know, post pertum recovery with no knowledge is a
wastedge of time. You will not get anywhere.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think I would like to even qualify that knowledge
is not enough. Yes, you actually need an experienced person
because I scoured the internet looking for information. But still
there's like a gap missing. You don't know how to
apply what.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I realized that we have the information, but we are
not We don't consider that information. Our full fathers had
that information. You know, if you look at all cultures
in your Ganda, every culture in your Ganda has postpartum care.
Every culture in Africa has postpartum care. Chinese have a
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postpartum care routine the forty day period. But we are
looking for something. We think there is something out there
special that we.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Should be looking for.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
There is nothing special. It is look at your own culture,
your own system. What is the postpartum care that they
are practicing now when you come to C section? Say,
section is something that is new to us, to our parents,
our sisters. So they've been finding it hard to compare
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C section recovery two v.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Bath recovery. Actually that way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Now see her foundation comes in, how are we going
to use the V bath postpartum care routines and tailor
them to suit a SA section mother, whereby a C
section mother is not neglected to figure it out by herself,
because we can empower our care takers to be able
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to learn and find a way they can link that too,
that even as a section mother has the appropriate post
parti care.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh my god, talking about postpartum care and caregivers. My
personal story, I did not have both, especially my first time.
My second time was I was slightly more prepared, but
I still didn't clearly have the knowledge. But my first
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postpartum you know, because of I think the depression and
being alone. The biggest challenge with being a mom, a
modern African mom is that most of your people are
not available. They'll be with you for three weeks and
then they have to go back to whatever they were doing,
work or whatever. So I was alone. And because I
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was not fully myself, I don't know, I was deluded
into being like I have to be alone. I don't
want other people to see me suffer. So I spent
I think six weeks sitting. I had a special breastfeeding chair.
I would sit there from sunrise to sunset. I think
I would only become animated when my husband came back
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from work, but I would sit there. And because of that,
which is against postpartum care, my wound was as fresh
as it was six months, you know, six weeks into it.
And I had to go shopping. And these are things
that we don't think about. So most supermarkets, after you
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buy your groceries, they just hand you the bag full
of things. I did not even think about it. The
woman packed my groceries handed me six weeks postpartum. I've
been sitting crouched breastfeeding all day, hardly moving. She gave
me my back the cavert, and as I held it,
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literally felt myself separating into two. I literally felt that
wound just like like imagine opening as zip close. I
literally for myself like and I felt I dropped the bag.
And this was in former shop rate, so opposite was
like machinery, you know, washing machines and TV. So they
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put me to sit there and I had to quickly
call my husband because I'd driven myself, so that won't
practically open, practically opened. I had to be rushed back
to the hospital. Luckily I was not taken back into
the theater, but they did something to you know, I
don't want to use that incorrect term, but yeah, they
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did something and patched me back, and that's when I
was told, you need to walk, you need to do
all this. So what based on that story, what are
the key things that you would advise a mom who
either heading into C section or immediately out that, like,
you know those top things that they have to do.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, now, first of all, what are you doing in
shopwriter at six weeks post pat term?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's when you're supposed to be going for your post
patterm chacub for your doctor to clear you to be able.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
To do certain things.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now, one thing I've learned, actually I've come to appreciate
later by interacting with these mothers, is that support is
so critical for a C section mother. Now, when I
give birth, I don't pick my kids from school and
don't I don't go supermarkets, I don't do anything like
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my husband steps in and does all that work.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Then my mother in.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Law is always like she's like a phone call away.
You tell him feeling this, she come running. So sometimes
I'll black you feel When you have.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
This attention, you feel crowded.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But when you listen to people's stories, you be like, oh, wow,
they actual knew what I was going through. But yeah, actually,
we never know what you're going through ourselves. So now
what I would encourage for like a mother like you
is take it easy. Learn a postpartum care routine. By
their postpatum is anything you do after giving birth, take
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care of your body. Usually take care of the baby,
and we neglect the mother once the mother leaves theater.
This thettleman is okay, she's fine, but her recovery journey
has just started. So we should be able to give
mothers time to heal. Now in new scenario, now, since
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we have nuclear families, you should have had a plan
before checking into hospital. No, I need a help at all,
maybe a house help or a cousin or our sister
is going to be to bebysiit as you take care
of your body. And then also and how do you
take care of your body? Because sometimes we know what
we're supposed to do, but because we are overwhelmed with
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work and taking care of the babies, we never take
the time to take care of ourselves. But deep down,
every woman knows what to do. They tell you work,
drink a lot, take hot fluids.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
We know what to do.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But because of this lack of support and.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
This overwhelming responsibility we have on our backs, we tend
to neglect ourselves. So that's why I want to we
should be actually having such talks like this more often,
that women can be aware of what they have to do.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What is going wrong?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Why would someone say section won't help in the middle
of a supermarket.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
What is causing that?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
How are we able to prevent that happening to any
other mother? How are we going to mitigate such occurrences,
such emergencies. Are they preventable in the first place, Yes,
they are preventable. How are they preventable? Equip these mothers
with the knowledge when they are pregnant and after they
give bath. Before we used to have antenatal clinics in Mulago.
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I ute about them, A lord, I don't know what
happened to them now, because you go for your whole
nine months. They're educating how you feed your baby, how
you take care of yourself, how you perfect hospital back.
But now when you are pregnant, you don't know. They're
going to have a sea section, or you're going to
give birth the bath. You never know what option is
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going to come. How are these mothers being prepared for
either option? How are they prepared for that? That? Because
most of these things we are facing, it's lack of knowledge,
lack of knowledge. So I think we should do more
empowering conversation. Do more shows empower women, talk to them,
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encourage them, educate them. Even our health care providers I
think should come on board.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, yeah, I agree. So is there a platform that
you use to share this information? You have a blog?
Do you have a newsletter? Do you have where can
I go? If I've listened and I'm like, she talked,
but she didn't say enough, where can I go to
follow up on the conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, we're going to start podcasts. I think we'll be
able to put everything together. You can go to my LinkedIn,
you can go to my Instagram or what's your LinkedIn?
See her foundation. Then we have see her healingk bamb.
We have actually two account You have see her healing BAM,
then see her pain relief. Then anything see dash her
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foundation or see dash her pain relief.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, that's amazing. And then if if that is not
enough half, and I want to find you and talk
to you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Where our offices are located in Kansanga on shore for
rise behind you came are you can even give us
a call on zero seven zero six, triple one five
three one. Someone will get in touch with you and
will be able to help you.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's amazing. And then I cannot let you leave without
asking about the Gambert dance. First of all, what is
the Gamber dance? And are you back for this year?
And can I come?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yes, we're back for the Gmbe dance and we're starting
fab gamb is actually an African drama. It's Jambe d
j E m b e. It's a drama. It's an
African drum. You know people do dance class and they're
dancing to music. Yes, as we dance the African drama.
Yes yeah, and it's so relaxing and because it's something
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unique like it intrigues the women and it helps a
better It helps it pospered depression, You enjoy, you relax.
We even danced to African music, African beats for the
different tribes around the country. So that's how the Gambe
dram came about. Actually, it's the Jambe wattle, Jimbe wattle.
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We were using that jambe dram to help the mothers
get back their wastes. You know what is waste organda,
So it's jambe as you dance, you cut some.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We get back that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We get that water back in shape, such as that
gmber water comes about.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, so you're you're coming in in fabright? Yes? And
will it be at the Sanger.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's at the Kansanger branch and it's absolutely free for
every sea section mother.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So do I have to show my SCR to get in? Ah?
You know that's.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh my goodness, that's a hard question. Now what we
do of We do our background check.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We ask you a few questions and we get to
know about you. And of course if you're a section mother,
you can't hide because me having a conversation with you,
I would know whether you're a CI section mother or
you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So we interact with you.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
We do our background check and we confirm and to
be about to attend, you have to be on the list.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So you call us earlier, we have.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A conversation, then you qualify to be on the list.
We actually they have so many free things for sea
section mothers. Apart from the Gmber Water that happens every
Saturday at our offices from February. From February, then we
have the meetups where we have a collection of sex
section mothers. You come, we meet, we talk, we discuss
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you can do the Genber water. That same day we
have this conversation session with professionals, the nacologists, mental health practitioners,
post part America very coaches, fitness gurus like we discuss all.
It's like we have that one day for the sea
section mather for like three hours where they are given
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an opportunity to interact and ask all their banning questions
and it's absolutely free.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So is there free food? Is that the fourth hour?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know there's no free food.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Of course we charge a small fee for the food,
but all the other sessions are absolutely free.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
We charge for the food and the drink.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay. And then finally, I don't think you've mentioned anything
about the massage.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, now we have the CEA section massage.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Actually, every mother, every CEA section manther sheould know about
the C sections came massage because the C sections car
massage is one of the things that is going to
help a mother heel it's going to help a mother
lose that mammy posch. It's going to help the mother
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gain back her strength and productivity. Now you see, when
we have six sections, people think that outside scr is
the only scar they have. They do not have been
cut seven layers, so in that they have been stitched
seven times. So if there are six layers inside, what
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you're seeing on top is the seventh layer. So what
is happening on the inside six layers. So when you
do the massage, the scar massage, it increases in blood flow.
And when you have tissue manipulation from the massages, it
helps even that the tissues to heal faster. So when
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a mother learns out to massage and do thet press,
the wound heals fast and most of these section related
problems like back pain scar pain, by six months should
be feeling nothing. And of course we use the sea
harbo bam because that's our main ingredient because it has
those properties that help to heal that area. So now
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as I musked, whether you I don't even I don't
even how I can see like it is the most
important thing every selection mather should do because it's the
magic to the fastest sea section recovery.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Ever, I'm going to test you on that a few
years post sea section.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But what you have said you are a few years
post sea section. You remain as postpatum as to what
you do. Do it make sense if you do nothing,
you remain postpatum for a longer period. What I mean
is that you remain feeling that those any feelings paying
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back eight back paid for so long. But if you
do something, if you do something about it, even at
six weeks. Someone Blake are in this section because you
feel so good, you don't feel paid, and you feel
your body is it's like you've pushed the baby.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, okay, so I think we are definitely going to
have a part too, because I'm going to come and
try this. Ye. I'm going to do the compress yes,
and then I'll come back and I'll report back. Yes. Yes,
And if you've done it, please comment in the box
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tell us because we need telling us the gospel truth.
Comment below. We want to know. We want to hear
your story and I will be back as well to
share my own. Any last words as we wrap up.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Motherhood is a beauty full thing and I think every
mother should be given the opportunity to enjoy your motherhood.
Let's reach out to as many mothers as possible so
that we can all thrive in the enjoy your motherhood.
It should not be a source of pain, but a
source of joy.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, well said, and I'm going to help her say this.
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you buy it before the end of this month, there's
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it out on usasihab dot com and begin your healing journey.
And I think with that being said, we've hard an Also,
I always laugh so much every time I'm finding out
with you. I don't know if you have some laughing
gus in the air they maybe, maybe, but it's always
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a good time. I can't talk to you for ever
and ever and ever. We didn't even get to talk
about how we first met. But that means a part
two is coming, Yes, coming. So with that, if you
love this episode, please let us know in the comments below,
Please like, please subscribe. Share with a woman transitioning into
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mother who would share with her mom who you know,
had a C section, She might learn something. And with
that being said, If you're a mom, you're doing a
good job. See you on the next.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it's absolutely free for every section mother.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So do I have to show my SCR to get in?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
You know, that's oh my goodness, that's a hard question.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Now what we do?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We do our background check, We ask you a few
questions and we get to know about you and of
course if you're a section mother, you can't hide that
you're well.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But in sid be can we want im before one? Monga?
And this is the Zazi Hub podcast where motherhood meets business.
I'm so excited about today's episode where we are met
and having an interesting conversation with Winni Wagaba contended, the
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founder and CEO of See Her Foundation as well as
postpartim Care Uganda. Her background, she started as a lawyer
like myself, practice for a little bit before joining the
entrepreneurship business, a sector. She's done a variety of businesses
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before settling down and getting married having kids. She's her
five time sea section mother. Should I say that again?
Five time see section? Oh my god, I had two
C sections and I can't even imagine going back. So
(01:47):
I think that's where we should start. Tell me about
your journey to motherhood and these five Sea sections thank
you so much, Nabie. Of course, motherhood is amazing. It's
such an amazing journey. It's such an amazing experience, and
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when you're prepared for it, it's just they just sail through.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But when you're at prepared for it, like some of
us are, my goodness, it can take you for a ride.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Most times, I think most people see sections come like
as an emergency.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yes, actually most many it's an emergency.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Then some it's elective because after you've had like consecutive
seay sections, then you just have to have another sea section.
Like most times, you're not given an opportunity to try
and push, so it starts as an emergency and then
becomes elective at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and then of course there's some few ladies who
choose it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, and there's no shame in that. Yeah, we are
against shame on this podcast. So you do you yeah? Yeah?
So true. Yeah. So tell me more about yourself. Is
there anything that I skipped out that you would like
our own? Maybe that I'm a serial entrepreneur and my
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jack of all trades. I used to think the end
of that sentence was a master of none, but apparently
that's not it really yes, master of one or something
like that. Anyway, I'm also a jack of all trades,
so you have to try everything to figure out, you know,
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which one works works for you.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Where you're calling is where purpose in life is is.
So you try out so many until you get that
nature like this is where I belong.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah. Now you created this amazing product see her foundation
Healing bomb, and I'm giving you a testimony you're here
because it really really works. Although it says sea section healing,
I think you can use it for any muscular sort of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Actually, it's a pain relief bomb. Anyone can use it, ladies, gentlemen, children, anyone.
It's an instant pain reliever. And on top of that,
it helps in tissue healing and puts down inflammation in
the body.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So what is that? What is that healing process like
after sea section? Or maybe let me take it back,
how did you end up now doing you know, postpartum
care and creating this this bomb?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know, they say experience is the best teacher. Now,
through my first section, I had pain. I was actually
consistently taking the coina sort of put down the pain.
But every time you went to hospital they can't find
the cause of the pain. They tell you'll be fine,
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but that dragged through from my first bone to my
second bone. So it got me thinking, I'm like, if
I'm going to live like this for the rest of
my life, how can there be a solution? Yet my
only bathing solution is see section. If I'm going to
have sea sections, I can't live in this kind of
pain for the rest of my life. So that got
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me down into doing research finding out why are women
having this pain? Why are women always complaining they are
never fine, Like there is that something in their bodies.
I'm not fine. I have a headache, I have a
back ache. My back not like I couldn't do set ups.
You try to do set ups and the back is
so heavy. But the answers were not there. So I
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went on a mission to make sure I find these answers.
And when I found the answers, I had to come
out and lead the world know about what I had found.
And one of the answers was the ceram which helped
C section mothers to heal faster and to relieve that
pain that they're always complaining about, the back pain, the numbness,
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the headachs, everything.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Wow, that's amazing and I can't believe I forgot to
congratulate you for the official launch. Thank you see her foundation.
It was awesome. Thank you and.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks for attending, and thanks for being one of our moderators.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I know a panelist on one of your panels talking
about my journey postpartum. I'm a postpartum depression survivor and
I can't say it loud enough because a lot of
people hide, you know, in the shame and the guilt.
(06:56):
And I liked at your launch that you brought this.
This is amazing mom. I think her name was Tabitha, Yes,
who told this story that? Really? You know, it perfectly
illustrated what it is that you do. So maybe you
can explain to us how do you help sea section mothers?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Now Like when you say that you listen to Tabitha's story.
One thing I've learned through doing this work is that
there is power in stories. I listened to your story
when you told me, and I was amazed. I was like, wow,
how can one person go through all this? And every
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time I listen to a C section story, it's different,
it's empowering, it's you get amazed at what these women
go through. So that is actually when I started to
see her foundation. I began from the minor things back pain,
someone about back pain, about the migraines after sea section.
(08:00):
But when I began interacting with these women, oh my goodness,
the stories were amazing. So I was like, why don't
I create a platform where we get to listen to
these women's stories, get to listen to their pain deeper
and bring up a community where they can feel at home.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
They interact with fellow women going.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Through the same share these stories, help one another to recover,
give mental support, psychological support. We even have fitness programs,
but we exercise as a team and we're able to
achieve our fitness goals. We have meetups where we meet,
we talk, we share, we love. We even have MAM,
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a simpler program. We were trying to empower men economically because,
as you know, most section mothers, because of the complications
they get after that, most of them end up staying
at home. So we are trying to get for them
like economic activities they can do us they're at home
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nursing their babies. And we also do one to one,
one to one castling. So if we're not set someone
in the male in the group is not doing fine,
a volunteer, we call that person and support them physically
and emotionally. Then we have online massage classes. Now these
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are C section massage classes that help a mother to
heal physically that lower TIMEY want the sea sections car
and the back pain and to relieve that postagical trauma.
So we do those for our vulnerable communities. We do
them online.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, I think what you do is really amazing.
Thank you. And you skipped a part about how proceeds
from the sea section from the purchase of the sea secu,
maybe you can say it better complete.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now we see a foundation mixed the cea harbo bumb.
Now proceeds from the sea harbo bum. We use these
proceeds to reach out to the vulnerable community of see
section mothers in Uganda. We have advocacy programs, fitness programs.
So every time you buy a sea harbamb you are
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supporting a vulnerable sea section mother in your Ganda to
live a better and productive life.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That is really really I mean it's amazing because my
first sea section was an emergency C section and I
had to get the epiduo twice. Wow, because the first time,
it did not work, like I was feeling everything, So
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they injected me the second time and it still did
not work.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Now, well, every time I keep on telling me that,
I get shock because me even having the first epidural
was such a big hassle.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I cried. I would tell them stop, start, stop, stop stop.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Now, I can imagine if I had to go twice
in that inner period, just me from the hospital, I
can imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And even the second time it did not work, and
I was told them among that two percent or whatever,
so they had to put me to sleep. And I
think that greatly contributed to my postpartum depression because when
I woke up a couple of hours later, now it
had worked, so he took long to work, so it
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had kicked in and I was paralyzed from the neck down,
so they couldn't bring the baby until the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Every time I listened to your story, do you know
where the trauma of a sea section mother starts? It
starts from the moment she's told she's going to have
a sea section. Her body goes in scared mode. You're like,
am I going to survive? Am I going to come
up to maybe be okay? It is everything, Okay, will
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like survive this. Then now when you go to that hospital, Baid,
trust me that injection must I don't think it was
easy for it. It's never easy for me. Now even
that is a struggle for me. So you find that
now this trauma starts just being far into the theater.
Now that trauma is toward in the body. That is
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why even after you give birth, people say, my body
feels weird.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I feel weird. Pain.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's because pain is tension in the body. Negative that
is toward in the massons. So even that whole thing
of you folding your back to put that injection, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And when they tie you like you know, like you're
on the cross or something. You know, they tried you.
I think they first put you like this, and then yes,
before they because you have to be still, right, I'm
not even forgetting. Don't they put you like this and
then you have to be still, and then they put
that mirror. But that whole process of now you're lying
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down and they're putting a curtain, you know, in front
of you, like it's so terrifying. So I'm beginning for
my stand.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
For my side bone. I was seeing everything that was happening.
I saw in the light, I was saying, in the light,
I was in the reflection.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The other said, I can't imagine. My husband was also looking.
He kept peeping on this other side, and I'm like,
I just, I just, I just, I just can't though.
I felt everything my second my second one, I was awake,
but I could feel. I just couldn't feel that pain,
but I could feel that touch. So I could feel
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my stomach tearing into two. I could feel, you know,
it was so now surreal. When the pain came back,
I connected it to the touch and the trauma. I
now understand what you mean. I have to hear from
that trauma now.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
When I was seeing it happening through that light, it
was so fulfeeling. Because yes, because when they removed the baby,
I felt sudden relief. Let you sell your body go
empty all of a sudden, and then you have this
baby cry us like wow, everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Has a unique experience because I cannot relate to watch it.
That's why they said all humans are unique. I cannot
say I reca'd relate to what you're saying. But okay, okay, okay,
I can kind of understand, you know, And I think
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I missed that in my first pregnancy because I still
felt pregnant because I had not gotten that release. My
eyes were closed, I was asleep and I'm waking up.
They're telling me I gave birth. I'm like, where's my baby?
They're like, you can't hold your baby. You have to
wait till tomorrow. So that whole release of knowing now
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I have a baby in this world did not did
not happen, and I think that was also part.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Of the Actually, even for my first bone, I didn't
want to see the baby. I didn't want anything to
do with the baby. And after I was discharged, my
body remained looking pregnant even months later, but would keep
on asking me, WI, are you pregnant? And I give
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bath like months ago. So I met a friend one
and she's like, you know what, I think you should
tear your tommy. My tammy was so big, it was
so painful. Nothing would fit. I had like all these
sorts of gutters, you know, I had prepared for bathing,
but the mystamer couldn't fit in all these west trainers,
all these gutters, all these gardles or I couldn't fit.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So I was like, what am I supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So she brings.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She said, bringer, you know lesso to tie me. But
you know, post pertum recovery with no knowledge is a
wastedge of time. You will not get anywhere.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think I would like to even qualify that knowledge
is not enough. Yes, you actually need an experienced person
because I scoured the internet looking for information. But still
there's like a gap missing. You don't know how to
apply what.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I realized that we have the information, but we are
not We don't consider that information. Our full fathers had
that information. You know, if you look at all cultures
in your Ganda, every culture in your Ganda has postpartum care.
Every culture in Africa has postpartum care. Chinese have a
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postpartum care routine the forty day period. But we are
looking for something. We think there is something out there
special that we.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Should be looking for.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
There is nothing special. It is look at your own culture,
your own system. What is the postpartum care that they
are practicing now when you come to C section? Say,
section is something that is new to us, to our parents,
our sisters. So they've been finding it hard to compare
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C section recovery two v.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Bath recovery. Actually that way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Now see her foundation comes in, how are we going
to use the V bath postpartum care routines and tailor
them to suit a SA section mother, whereby a C
section mother is not neglected to figure it out by herself,
because we can empower our care takers to be able
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to learn and find a way they can link that too,
that even as a section mother has the appropriate post
parti care.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh my god, talking about postpartum care and caregivers. My
personal story, I did not have both, especially my first time.
My second time was I was slightly more prepared, but
I still didn't clearly have the knowledge. But my first
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postpartum you know, because of I think the depression and
being alone. The biggest challenge with being a mom, a
modern African mom is that most of your people are
not available. They'll be with you for three weeks and
then they have to go back to whatever they were doing,
work or whatever. So I was alone. And because I
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was not fully myself, I don't know, I was deluded
into being like I have to be alone. I don't
want other people to see me suffer. So I spent
I think six weeks sitting. I had a special breastfeeding chair.
I would sit there from sunrise to sunset. I think
I would only become animated when my husband came back
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from work, but I would sit there. And because of that,
which is against postpartum care, my wound was as fresh
as it was six months, you know, six weeks into it.
And I had to go shopping. And these are things
that we don't think about. So most supermarkets, after you
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buy your groceries, they just hand you the bag full
of things. I did not even think about it. The
woman packed my groceries handed me six weeks postpartum. I've
been sitting crouched breastfeeding all day, hardly moving. She gave
me my back the cavert, and as I held it,
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literally felt myself separating into two. I literally felt that
wound just like like imagine opening as zip close. I
literally for myself like and I felt I dropped the bag.
And this was in former shop rate, so opposite was
like machinery, you know, washing machines and TV. So they
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put me to sit there and I had to quickly
call my husband because I'd driven myself, so that won't
practically open, practically opened. I had to be rushed back
to the hospital. Luckily I was not taken back into
the theater, but they did something to you know, I
don't want to use that incorrect term, but yeah, they
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did something and patched me back, and that's when I
was told, you need to walk, you need to do
all this. So what based on that story, what are
the key things that you would advise a mom who
either heading into C section or immediately out that, like,
you know those top things that they have to do.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, now, first of all, what are you doing in
shopwriter at six weeks post pat term?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's when you're supposed to be going for your post
patterm chacub for your doctor to clear you to be able.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
To do certain things.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now, one thing I've learned, actually I've come to appreciate
later by interacting with these mothers, is that support is
so critical for a C section mother. Now, when I
give birth, I don't pick my kids from school and
don't I don't go supermarkets, I don't do anything like
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my husband steps in and does all that work.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Then my mother in.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Law is always like she's like a phone call away.
You tell him feeling this, she come running. So sometimes
I'll black you feel When you have.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
This attention, you feel crowded.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But when you listen to people's stories, you be like, oh, wow,
they actual knew what I was going through. But yeah, actually,
we never know what you're going through ourselves. So now
what I would encourage for like a mother like you
is take it easy. Learn a postpartum care routine. By
their postpatum is anything you do after giving birth, take
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care of your body. Usually take care of the baby,
and we neglect the mother once the mother leaves theater.
This thettleman is okay, she's fine, but her recovery journey
has just started. So we should be able to give
mothers time to heal. Now in new scenario, now, since
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we have nuclear families, you should have had a plan
before checking into hospital. No, I need a help at all,
maybe a house help or a cousin or our sister
is going to be to bebysiit as you take care
of your body. And then also and how do you
take care of your body? Because sometimes we know what
we're supposed to do, but because we are overwhelmed with
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work and taking care of the babies, we never take
the time to take care of ourselves. But deep down,
every woman knows what to do. They tell you work,
drink a lot, take hot fluids.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
We know what to do.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But because of this lack of support and.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
This overwhelming responsibility we have on our backs, we tend
to neglect ourselves. So that's why I want to we
should be actually having such talks like this more often,
that women can be aware of what they have to do.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What is going wrong?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Why would someone say section won't help in the middle
of a supermarket.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
What is causing that?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
How are we able to prevent that happening to any
other mother? How are we going to mitigate such occurrences,
such emergencies. Are they preventable in the first place, Yes,
they are preventable. How are they preventable? Equip these mothers
with the knowledge when they are pregnant and after they
give bath. Before we used to have antenatal clinics in Mulago.
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I ute about them, A lord, I don't know what
happened to them now, because you go for your whole
nine months. They're educating how you feed your baby, how
you take care of yourself, how you perfect hospital back.
But now when you are pregnant, you don't know. They're
going to have a sea section, or you're going to
give birth the bath. You never know what option is
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going to come. How are these mothers being prepared for
either option? How are they prepared for that? That? Because
most of these things we are facing, it's lack of knowledge,
lack of knowledge. So I think we should do more
empowering conversation. Do more shows empower women, talk to them,
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encourage them, educate them. Even our health care providers I
think should come on board.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, yeah, I agree. So is there a platform that
you use to share this information? You have a blog?
Do you have a newsletter? Do you have where can
I go? If I've listened and I'm like, she talked,
but she didn't say enough, where can I go to
follow up on the conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, we're going to start podcasts. I think we'll be
able to put everything together. You can go to my LinkedIn,
you can go to my Instagram or what's your LinkedIn?
See her foundation. Then we have see her healingk bamb.
We have actually two account You have see her healing BAM,
then see her pain relief. Then anything see dash her
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foundation or see dash her pain relief.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, that's amazing. And then if if that is not
enough half, and I want to find you and talk
to you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Where our offices are located in Kansanga on shore for
rise behind you came are you can even give us
a call on zero seven zero six, triple one five
three one. Someone will get in touch with you and
will be able to help you.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's amazing. And then I cannot let you leave without
asking about the Gambert dance. First of all, what is
the Gamber dance? And are you back for this year?
And can I come?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yes, we're back for the Gmbe dance and we're starting
fab gamb is actually an African drama. It's Jambe d
j E m b e. It's a drama. It's an
African drum. You know people do dance class and they're
dancing to music. Yes, as we dance the African drama.
Yes yeah, and it's so relaxing and because it's something
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unique like it intrigues the women and it helps a
better It helps it pospered depression, You enjoy, you relax.
We even danced to African music, African beats for the
different tribes around the country. So that's how the Gambe
dram came about. Actually, it's the Jambe wattle, Jimbe wattle.
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We were using that jambe dram to help the mothers
get back their wastes. You know what is waste organda,
So it's jambe as you dance, you cut some.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We get back that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We get that water back in shape, such as that
gmber water comes about.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, so you're you're coming in in fabright? Yes? And
will it be at the Sanger.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's at the Kansanger branch and it's absolutely free for
every sea section mother.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So do I have to show my SCR to get in? Ah?
You know that's.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh my goodness, that's a hard question. Now what we
do of We do our background check.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We ask you a few questions and we get to
know about you. And of course if you're a section mother,
you can't hide because me having a conversation with you,
I would know whether you're a CI section mother or
you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So we interact with you.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
We do our background check and we confirm and to
be about to attend, you have to be on the list.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So you call us earlier, we have.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A conversation, then you qualify to be on the list.
We actually they have so many free things for sea
section mothers. Apart from the Gmber Water that happens every
Saturday at our offices from February. From February, then we
have the meetups where we have a collection of sex
section mothers. You come, we meet, we talk, we discuss
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you can do the Genber water. That same day we
have this conversation session with professionals, the nacologists, mental health practitioners,
post part America very coaches, fitness gurus like we discuss all.
It's like we have that one day for the sea
section mather for like three hours where they are given
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an opportunity to interact and ask all their banning questions
and it's absolutely free.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So is there free food? Is that the fourth hour?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know there's no free food.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Of course we charge a small fee for the food,
but all the other sessions are absolutely free.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
We charge for the food and the drink.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay. And then finally, I don't think you've mentioned anything
about the massage.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, now we have the CEA section massage.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Actually, every mother, every CEA section manther sheould know about
the C sections came massage because the C sections car
massage is one of the things that is going to
help a mother heel it's going to help a mother
lose that mammy posch. It's going to help the mother
(30:10):
gain back her strength and productivity. Now you see, when
we have six sections, people think that outside scr is
the only scar they have. They do not have been
cut seven layers, so in that they have been stitched
seven times. So if there are six layers inside, what
(30:33):
you're seeing on top is the seventh layer. So what
is happening on the inside six layers. So when you
do the massage, the scar massage, it increases in blood flow.
And when you have tissue manipulation from the massages, it
helps even that the tissues to heal faster. So when
(30:56):
a mother learns out to massage and do thet press,
the wound heals fast and most of these section related
problems like back pain scar pain, by six months should
be feeling nothing. And of course we use the sea
harbo bam because that's our main ingredient because it has
those properties that help to heal that area. So now
(31:20):
as I musked, whether you I don't even I don't
even how I can see like it is the most
important thing every selection mather should do because it's the
magic to the fastest sea section recovery.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Ever, I'm going to test you on that a few
years post sea section.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But what you have said you are a few years
post sea section. You remain as postpatum as to what
you do. Do it make sense if you do nothing,
you remain postpatum for a longer period. What I mean
is that you remain feeling that those any feelings paying
(32:01):
back eight back paid for so long. But if you
do something, if you do something about it, even at
six weeks. Someone Blake are in this section because you
feel so good, you don't feel paid, and you feel
your body is it's like you've pushed the baby.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, okay, so I think we are definitely going to
have a part too, because I'm going to come and
try this. Ye. I'm going to do the compress yes,
and then I'll come back and I'll report back. Yes. Yes,
And if you've done it, please comment in the box
(32:39):
tell us because we need telling us the gospel truth.
Comment below. We want to know. We want to hear
your story and I will be back as well to
share my own. Any last words as we wrap up.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Motherhood is a beauty full thing and I think every
mother should be given the opportunity to enjoy your motherhood.
Let's reach out to as many mothers as possible so
that we can all thrive in the enjoy your motherhood.
It should not be a source of pain, but a
source of joy.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, well said, and I'm going to help her say this.
See her bobum is on hsasihab dot com and if
you buy it before the end of this month, there's
a twenty percent discount courtesy of us truly, so check
(33:39):
it out on usasihab dot com and begin your healing journey.
And I think with that being said, we've hard an Also,
I always laugh so much every time I'm finding out
with you. I don't know if you have some laughing
gus in the air they maybe, maybe, but it's always
(34:02):
a good time. I can't talk to you for ever
and ever and ever. We didn't even get to talk
about how we first met. But that means a part
two is coming, Yes, coming. So with that, if you
love this episode, please let us know in the comments below,
Please like, please subscribe. Share with a woman transitioning into
(34:25):
mother who would share with her mom who you know,
had a C section, She might learn something. And with
that being said, If you're a mom, you're doing a
good job. See you on the next.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
One when you can make a baby mom. Almos are
your neuber. You're getting again. Pull on Google came Googga
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