TVF EP 1 - The West Virginia Dogman

Tonight's edition of The Venomous Fringe features two West Virginia eyewitnesses plus a story submitted by a subscriber. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Venomous Fringe.
I am your host, Christopher Cyrus, and Tonight's edition of
the show is a classic one from many moons ago. However,
the matter of this content will always focus on anything
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(00:48):
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We hope you enjoy tonight's episode. Definitely do not want
to miss this spicy content and not the kind of
content you're thinking. My guests this evening are Tom and Jenny.
Tom and Jenny, Welcome to the Venomous Fringe. How are

(01:09):
you guys this evening?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Good good?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
How are you guys holding up in the West Virginian area?
Of course, it's pretty cold out by me. Are you
guys staying nice and warm this evening.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, it's not too bad out today.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You guys come to the Venomus Fringe this evening talk
about a very interesting case that had started out. And
you know, Tom, I've spoken to you there and there
briefly in terms of the scenarios and things that you've
told me about for you and everything that's transpired. Where
did everything all begin in terms of activity and things

(01:49):
alluding to the topic of cryptid.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It started probably maybe five years ago as far as
the cryptid world goes. Before that, I started out in
the ghost hunting world and then it just progressed from there.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now, you had a pretty interesting case of scenarios that
you would showcase to me in reference to some trees
and whatnot that were pushed down in terms of something
around a vicinity of an area that you know about.
Can you go into a little bit of detail about that.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Sure, it happened in I guess the southern part of
the state here in West Virginia, and it was me
and my brother. We would go out and roder four
wheelers a lot and we started clearing these old timber
trails and one particular trail is kind of really grown up,

(02:56):
and we started cutting down trees and three mile long
trail and we would work on it one weekend and
then come back the next weekend. Well, we started cutting
down these trees, and we go back the next weekend
and they would be more trees pushed down, and then

(03:20):
we would cut those out, and we the whole summer
basically was getting trees being pushed over, and it was
it got to the point where I was thinking, Uh,
these trees are the hardest of the trees. We have
the offer here, so we cut them out and get
pushed new ones get pushed right back over. And we

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made it about two miles out on this trail and
we come across this I think it was a tent
and a like a lawn chair inside the tent. And
this tent and lawnchair had been shredded by something. I
don't know what it was, but it was shredded and
been there for a long time. It's almost dry rotten too.

(04:03):
And we left it there and didn't didn't mess with it.
Left come back the next day or two and it
was gone and completely just disappeared. And nobody would ever
walk out there because you know, it's swampy. It's almost
like a swamp. It's so much mud. But you know,

(04:26):
I've sent you pictures and these the biggest trees, they're
just being pushed over and it's against the wind. Can't
push him over because some of these things are leaning
up the hill.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Now, in terms of what you had seen and this
chair in this in this campsite, has there been any
activity of such oddity such as that or something in
particular in the area that you have seen before prior
to that, or was it just rather coincidental.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, it's always very quiet on that trail, and this
trail is pretty close to a well known ATV trail system,
and that's the only there's hundreds and hundreds of miles
worth of trail back there, and this is the only
trail that's quiet. It's constantly quiet. There's no sound. You

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don't hear a squirrel, bird, nothing. It doesn't matter what
time of the year it is, it's always super quiet.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And have you by any chance contacted or have looked
around certain perimeters and have noticed anything strange in the area,
You know you mentioned quiet. But for those who aren't
familiar with West Virginia native animals are there any native
animals in that particular area, any bear, any deer that

(05:43):
would be a source could have perhaps done such thing.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
There's there's bear and I've seen a mountain line. People
say that there's not mountain lions here. They're here. I've
seen it, but you know, I've never seen a bear here.
And there's in that particular trail there's two ponds, huge ponds,
and there's a massive deer population there too.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Has by any chance, anybody that you have contacted, or
anybody that you've reached out to in particular about such
situation or anything in the area, has anybody mentioned anything
about the area at all? Or No.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
No, everything is kind of hush hush. Nobody knows anything
about anything like that. And if it was, it'd probably
say it was a a predator in the area.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
There is a particular incident that involved a family member
of yours, Tom in particular, with a dirt bike. Can
you go into a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Sure, our brother was on the well known trail system
there and he had his son on the dirt bike
and they had stopped to check his phone for messages,
and he told me that out of the blue he
heard a popping noise that was I guess he's the

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only thing. He could describe it as as sort of
like a shotgun, but not really, and it scared him
so bad that he ended up dropping his phone in
a mud hole, and he could not get on the
dirt bike fast enough. He said he didn't bother to
turn around look because it scared him so bad. He
said it was loud enough to jar you out your skin.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
And did he get a visual on anything in the area?
Did he see anything or does he not remember?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
He said that he took off on the dirt box
so fast that quicker he could get out of there the.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Better normal times. I guess when people have an encounter
or see something in general in the woods, there's this
presence of feeling watched, and it works perfectly for the
sense of fright for those But in terms of people
get that sense of being watched, I mean, did he
feel that type of uncomfortableness in terms of when he

(07:59):
was out there?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, I don't know about then, but he will not
go up there to that area without me, And every
time that I go, I carry a gun, and he
will not go out there well without a weapon. So
I know that that scared him to death.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Now, Jenny, you had had an interesting encounter in a
park near the Huntington area. Would you be able to
go into a little bit of detail about what you
had seen?

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
So I was. I take my dog out to go
walk through some of the parks. We have a wolf dog, and.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
You know, I like to go when it's pretty mostly
not very populated, but on my days off, I like
to take him. That he was there in the middle
of the week, and so I went down to the
park and took him. Usually there's a bunch of people around,
and the first day was no different. Came across a
bunch of people, saw some deer, you know, lots of
different animals, and the first day was absolutely fine. Well,

(09:01):
I took him back the next day. It was a
little bit earlier in the day and this time.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
It was just us we had.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
We didn't run into anybody, and it wasn't you know,
first thing in the morning. It's probably about nine o'clock.
So that was a little bit weird that there was
nobody else there. And as we started walking down some
of these trails, I knew that we had been the
only ones at the first ones on that trail that
day because we kept clearing every spider web there was

(09:31):
every two feet, because nobody else had been down those trails,
and it was it was pretty quiet that day, and
you know, we just we walked along and went about
you know, two and a half miles and turned around
the sided to come back. And on our way back,

(09:53):
we got about halfway and you know, we'd seen a
few animals. Well, i'd seen a few animals here and
there that that morning, and I heard it just not
too far in front of me on the trail, probably
maybe like forty feet ahead of me. Just ahead in
the path. They heard something rustling in the bushes, which

(10:15):
I thought was a deer, So I stopped because I
didn't want to scare the deer and I didn't want
a deer to get scared of my dog. So you know,
we stopped and waited for it to jump across the path.
And at this particular point in the path, there wasn't
a bunch of trees. It was pretty much a straight shot,
and so you know, I looked ahead to you know,

(10:35):
expect him to see a deer.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
But what I saw.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Was this the size of a big deer, the size
of like a bug, but it was a giant black wolf.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
And it was like when we.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Stopped, we it noticed we were there and we startled it.
It was like it seemed like it was playing with something,
digging at the ground, something like that. So it turned
around and did an enormous covered an enormous amount of
ground across the path right in front of me, and
jump in one jump, jumped across and then there was
this big embankment on the left side, and it just

(11:15):
jumped right up that. And I mean this happened just
right in front of me.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
And it was.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
The best way I can describe it was a giant, black,
solid black wolf. I mean when it jumped across the path,
you know, I saw everything. I saw its ears, its nose,
its tail, you know, its feet gliding through the air.
I mean I saw it. It was not out of
the corner of my eye. I didn't just see this

(11:45):
black streak or anything. I saw it right in front
of me. And you know, my dog backed up into me,
you know, because he didn't even know what to do.
And you know, I paused there for a while. It's
kind of debating do I keep going or go back?
But I decided to keep going forward, and you know,

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it was, I mean, it was forty about forty feet
ahead of me. But when I looked up where it
should have jumped. A thing that size, you would think
you would see it running off somewhere, but it seemed
like the minute it got to the top of the amagment,
it just disappeared, no trace of it anywhere.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
And so that was that day, and you know, it
definitely startled me enough.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
I haven't been back to that particular area of that
park since then, and that probably happened. I can't remember
if it was the end of August or beginning of September,
but somewhere in that area, and so I hadn't been back,
but a couple of weeks later I decided to go
to a different area of that park. And you know,

(12:59):
for time I went back, there was nothing other than
I kept getting a feeling of uneasiness or being watched.
But I didn't know if that was my nerves or
just you know, anything. So I decided to not go
back for a while. And then back in early October,

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I think it was my daughter ended up getting out
of school and she said she wanted to go take
a dog for a walk. So we went back to
that park, but again it was a different area than
where I saw a big giant wolf, and we took
the dog our dog again and it was pretty good.

(13:42):
Didn't get a feeling of being watched or anything. But
when we were walking around and on our way back,
we were walking in it wasn't wet that day, but
it had rained recently, and in the tracks, as I
noticed my dog was walking long, I noticed these enormous,

(14:02):
almost the size of my foot dog prints that were
in the ground. And my dog, who's probably about seventy
five pounds, his entire foot fits in just the palm
of this thing. This footprint, which I mean, I'm not
an expert at tracking, but to me, that's a dog print.

(14:25):
Clearly it was a dog print, but it was just enormous,
Like nothing I can think of would match the size
other than the big giant wolf that I'd seen around
that area months before. So it was kind of, you know, again,

(14:46):
further proof that something that size, you know, it fits
the same general species, lives in that area. So I
haven't been back yet since then, either, but you know,
something's definitely there.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Now when you had first seen this thing, you had
made mentioned that it had it didn't. It sounds like
it didn't have a source of any intimidation whatsoever. It
had observed you, and you observed it, and it seemed
like it had no, uh source or whatsoever, any type
of indication of a threat. Let me ask you something here,

(15:27):
and this is a question I don't think many it's
pretty obvious, but not necessarily. But what do you believe?
What do you think you had seen? Do you believe
what you had seen is this giant gray wolf or
this black wolf and it or do you believe it
was in fact a dog man?

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Well, I, to be honest, I don't know a lot
about a dog man. So at the point when I
saw it, not knowing hardly anything about dog man that day,
all I know that I saw was a wolf, you know,

(16:10):
a wolf, not necessarily a gray wolf. I mean, I
have a dog that's three different kinds of wolf mixed
in with him. This was unlike any wolf I'd ever seen.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
It was pure black.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
But the most I guess striking thing about it was
its size. It wasn't just big, It wasn't just a
big wolf. I know that what I saw was not
a regular wolf of any kind. I knew that that

(16:44):
day that it wasn't. I mean, I honestly don't think
that there's any known species of wolf that I think
anybody knows about, you know, in the science world, that
I do believe that would be that size. I mean,
it easily could have looked in the cab of a

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big truck.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
On all fours.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
I mean it was, like I said, the size of
a buck on all fours.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
So I don't know if it was a dog man
or not.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I have the feeling that there was definitely something more
than just a wolf to that, and I knew that
that day, and I still feel that now. You know,
just the amount of ground it covered was incredible, you
know it.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
It acted like.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
You know, any other I guess dog or wolf in
terms of it was playing and I startled it and
it ran off. It moved like one too, But its
sheer size was the most notable thing about it. But
I don't think that that it's just a regular wolf.
I don't think that it's you know, like a some

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sort of species of wolf that they just happen to
have here in the city, that is, like any other
kind of wolf breed out there. There's something special about
what I saw, and I knew that that day that
there was something very very unique about that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Now, you mentioned this park in the Huntington area, that
there are people that often do go in this area.
Has anyone that you know of or anywhere around the region,
has anyone said anything or has anyone mentioned anything to
somebody in reference to seeing anything of a large black
wolf in the area.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Well, not really, not that they've seen that that.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Nobody said that they've seen the same thing that I have.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Although I was talking to somebody who grew up right
in that area, and she said that as a kid,
they would hear sounds of wolves, you know, around the house,
and dogs cats would go missing, and that they definitely

(19:19):
tried to talk to park rangers about it, and that
everybody said, you know, oh it's coyotes or oh it's
this and that, and she said that her and her
family knew that it wasn't just a coyote and these
were not just wolves, but everybody swore that there was
no wolves in the area, but she knew that there
was something more out there that you know, that they knew.

(19:44):
Nobody said that they they've seen anything, but that they
knew that there was something else in the area. And
the only other thing was I was also speaking with
somebody else and they happened to be I think it
was a forest range in the area, and they said
that I explained what I saw, and you know, most

(20:06):
of the time, I get people that don't believe me,
and this person told me that, you know, they they
definitely believed me, but that's all they could say about it.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
They couldn't say anything else, but.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
That kind of the way he said that alluded to
the fact that he knew more than he was willing
to say. But that's the only other things I've heard
from people. Nobody else has said they've seen anything. A
lot of people said they've been in that area and
grew up in the area, never seen or heard of anything.
So I get a lot that people keep telling me, oh,
it's a coyote, and I'm telling you, that was no

(20:45):
coyote at all at all.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I know the difference between a.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Coyote and a wolf, but I mean, this thing was
just enormous. I mean, I wouldn't have even believed it
was a wolf if it wasn't for the fact that
I that was.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
It was just absolutely enormous.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I find it interesting, especially in many cases when people
who have run ins with in particular, I mean, I'm
pretty sure that you are familiar with a video of
a giant wolf that was chasing a dog. It's been
popular on YouTube, and often many people the video cuts
before there's some sort of altercation. But the point is

(21:31):
is that in this situation, you have a dog present,
yourself is president is this giant wolf? And you would
think that there would have been an altercation of some
sort of inendable outcome that would have been in favor
of the former or the latter in this case, with
some sort of form of approach a scenario, but in

(21:55):
particular of this behavior, in particular of what you have said,
it's hard to necessarily say for sure that what you
had seen was a dog man, but it sounds all
the right perks to that of a dog man case,
but as well as also to the print. Now, as
for those who are seeing it now watching on screen,

(22:15):
you can see the print and the print itself. I've
seen the print. It's a very big print. A lot
of people, as you've mentioned, have ma said it between coyote,
so you can even say it's a giant wolf, but
there is something about that print and I would love
to take a further analyzation of it with your permission.
And furthermore, there's something about this region or wherever we're

(22:39):
at in the Huntington area that definitely is there. And
if it is something of a dog man, it has
all the perks is mentioned, but one hundred percent sure.
I don't know exactly. I'm sure you do not know
exactly as well. But it is a very interesting encounter,
to say the least. Now, Tom, you would had a

(23:01):
very interesting incident that occurred on your property. Can you
go into a little bit of detail about that.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
But the missing dogs? Uh, yeah, we uh I had
uh two German shepherds and a uh, a mixed breed
dog just uh just vanish. And the mixed breed dog
is a very weird circumstances all the way around. Uh.
We actually had her on a two ton cable. The

(23:35):
max load of that cable was two tons and she
uh this this is about three miles from the park, uh,
from Jenny's encounter, and the dog just went missing. And
you've got a picture of the cable. Since you've added,

(23:56):
I don't know exactly what happened it's not cut with
anything sharp. The dog just vanished.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's a very interesting case because of something of that
altitude or whatever, and how tall it is the wiring.
It would really take something strong in strength to really
pull something apart. I don't even think that you'd have
to get like I guess someone have to get like
pliers or something, or yard trimmers or like a machete
in order to pierce that right off. From the way

(24:30):
it looks.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Right, But why would they do that when you could
just you can just unleash her exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
And that also alludes to the possibility that there is
something in this area, and in particular in the West
Virginia region, where there is a creature something of the
altitude of being a canine or a wolf that's running around.
It's particular if it's a dog man, it's a dog man.
But who's the safe for sure, because of course, with

(25:01):
how and going about it, you know, if it sounds
like I said, all the perks. But it's a very
mysterious scenario because again, you know, to have that encounter
in the park area, and then of course to go
ahead and then have something a little not too far,
not even a far away from it and have that
occur for you guys both and just in general for

(25:27):
those listening in whether you're in West Virginia or in
a different state, what would be the biggest piece of
advice or in general something that you would want to
throw down or know in particular of such case in
this area, Like, what is something that you want to
send out to people who may be listening, whether they're

(25:49):
in the West Virginia area or not too far stayed
away that might know something similar going on in particular
of something of the situations.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, there's a lot of woods here, a lot, uh
and in my particular case with the the trees fallow
on the one trail, Like I said, there's hundreds and
hundreds of miles of ATV trails back there, and that
three mile stretch of trail that happens to be on
top of a mountain is the only trail that I

(26:23):
know that that type of activity happens on no other trail,
and we ride them. We ride thousands of miles every summer.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
The only thing I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
I would say is in regards to my experience with
seeing this giant wolf, is that I absolutely respect the
fact that if it wanted to my dog, and I
would be gone. I mean, if if it wanted to
hurt us, we wouldn't stand a chair. But you know,

(27:03):
I've gone back a few times.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
I mean, I would just say, for if if anybody is.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Concerned or worried about going into these parks because there
might be an enormous wolf somewhere in the area. You know,
a lot of people frequent these parks. They go there
a lot, and a lot of people haven't had any
experience with them. We've come across a lot of people
walking alone, no dogs, no you know, not not no

(27:35):
company at all, and they come out fine. I mean,
I think it was a very rare incident that I
you know, I saw what I saw, and I think,
you know, it would be rare. I wouldn't want people
to be scared to go into you know, enjoy the
parks around here, but at least be aware that something
like that is present.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
And I guess, you know, just I don't know, look around,
be aware of your surroundings. I guess, you know, just.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Acknowledge that there is something there, you know, much like
you would I guess with a you know, any other predator,
a bear or a mountain lion or something else that
might be in the area. You know, just acknowledge that
it is there and be safe and be aware. I
wouldn't go looking for it, but you know, it's it's around.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That being said, Tom and Jenny, I want to thank
you guys for coming on the show. I want to
thank you all for taking the time out of your
day and take a few minutes to discuss your encounter
as well as the activity in your region. I want
you guys to have a great evening and to take
care now right.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Thank you you too.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I would like to thank Tom and Jenny once again
for coming on the show and discussing Jenny's encounter as
well as Tom discussed in what he had found and
discovered in such regions. You know, it's crazy to think
that in the sense of dog man encounters that often
have people described him as a giant black wolf or
just in general something of that matter and altitude, that

(29:24):
would just be kinetically just insane. And I think when
a lot of people who have dog of an encounters,
they're so drawn by the fascination of it that their
eyes are so perplexed by what they're looking at. Because
you're looking at something here that's not a bearon, not
a mountain lion, not a moose. You're looking at something
that's more intelligent, more much stronger, and hell of a
lot more intimidating than all of those three animals combined.

(29:47):
And for a dog man to stare at somebody in
particularly Jenny and her dog. Now, the dog that they
have is a hybrid, and this is a wolf dog,
So a hybrid of such capacity, you know, and I'll
get to the wolf dog in a second, but with
a creature that is able to be in the same

(30:08):
vicinity as a possible cousin and to have that amount
of atmospheric energy and reaction. It definitely made me scratch
my head a few times, especially when I had first
found out about this, because I was pretty surprised. I
was also shocked. Furthermore, I think at the same time
in terms of when in general, when I'm thinking of

(30:32):
when I when there's a dog man enconabory for me personally,
when I'm thinking dog man, now I'm talking to mumbling.
Apologize for those who don't like it, but personally my opinion,
when I'm told about a dog man story, someone tells
me about dog when I analyze the situation, I observe them.
I tell people, look, you know I'm going to talk
about it. You want to talk about it, but do
not bs me. And the biggest thing about this is that,

(30:53):
you know, when I was even talking to them in
the pre interview, because I had spoken to them a
few weeks prior before this interview, and when I had
first found out about it, I was very curious because
of the situation in the region. Now, we mentioned in
this evening a park in the Huntington area, and you know,

(31:14):
for a creature to be spotted in such a huge
region of forest, and West Virginia has a lot of
forest region, especially in the southern region, where there's a
lot of parks, a lot of forest area, a lot
of acre. There's enough acre for such creature to have
it inhabitants, to make way to land, to be in
such vicinity, and of course to have sanctuary. So it

(31:36):
wouldn't be a surprise to me if there were upright
canines in that area. Now, just a few things I
want to clear off before we go ahead and move on.
I personally believe that what Jenny had seen was in
fact a dog man, not just for the description, not
just because of what she had described, but for the
sake being is that there's a lot of mass in

(31:57):
such region in this area. Now, I want to get
into this next, but for where the location is at,
I wasn't given anything that would necessarily be a major
hotspot hospital location. I was mentioned a location, but I
wasn't one hundred percent but in vivid discussion. What I

(32:19):
mean by that is is that I'm not one hundred
percent too sure about other encounters in such areas around
this park. Now, talking about the park, one might ask, well,
how come you say it's a park in the Huntington area,
Then how come the park wasn't made mention or anything
like that. This is just something that I've often when
I've talked to eyewitnesses about, and often many people would

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want to turn eyewitnesses off to this because it could
easily be a red flag to that being a fabricated
story if they don't want to get out of information.
But then there's the other part about it, where it's
the protection purpose. It's the purpose being is that if
I were to happen to give out the intel of
the actual name of this place, and let's just say
somebody happened to go there, happened to investigate it, doesn't

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know too much about the forest, doesn't have an idea
on certain things. They happened to run into something. Maybe
now the dog man could be a bear. Something happens
to them. You know. The rest is history. But also
too it's for the purpose of the protection of business, inquiry,
their personal lives and the jeopardy that I could impact.
Have one happened to reveal it, and someone who knows

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that person happens to go about and talk about it.
I think the closest we can kind of get an
idea out of it, though, is the fact that she
had contacted or at least right into a park ranger
in the area who was open and discussed such encounters
of situations happening in array in such respected regions. And
overall though, that's a very interesting type of thing to

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talk about, because when we go back to LBL, when
we go back to the forest region, the Daniel Boone Forest,
also you hear all these accounts of such activity and
rangers who have their insights that can't say too much
for the purpose of their job and also for the
purpose of attraction of a possible catastrophic event with a

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lot of above a huge body count. So the most
you can go about it is it's a park in
the Huntington area. Now you can use your Google Maps,
you can look that up and get a good idea
of such regions and get a good look. But there's
a lot of activity I believe in West Virginia, some
that hasn't been disclosed and discussed about, and other things
that hasn't been cashed to light. When I look at

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the Cloak Hedgehogs map, I see two sightings on the map.
I don't see anything else, and I'll be reading you
guys of sighting momentarily, but before I do to conclude
with Tom and Jenny's case, the footprint. Now, when you
look at the footprint, it's hard to make out because
you can easily see a quad track, see a quad

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trap on the upper or at least on the right
hand side of the photograph, and then when you look
in the middle you can see what appears to be
a print. Now, the footprint itself, it's definitely tough to
make out. I did a small photoshop indention a nice
stroke line that would get a good grip on what
this image is now, when we look at a chart
of canine prints, when we look at a chart of

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wolf prints, when we look at a chart of other
mountain lion and bear prints, it definitely doesn't look like
your gya wage baar print does at a little garbage
mountain lion print, it does look like something in the
canine branch. However, could it be a wolf, could it
be a dog man? Could it be something totally undisclosed
that we're not looking at here? Possibly? I just found
it quite strange that after she had returned to the

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site and seen that that it was ever to be manifested,
and she also mentioned that how there could be a
few tracks in one area and then the tracks vanish.
Now one could easily get an idea that maybe the
tracks that vanish, or perhaps maybe tracks that there's some
sort of ability. I won't want to get too much
into the whole magic era of things, because I don't
know one hundred percent, But what I can think about

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and give a good hypothetical on is the idea that
maybe these creatures are that intelligent enough to know that
when they make the tracks, don't necessarily have to continue
making tracks. It's very easy to get some dirt and
mounted over a track. It's very easy to do that.
People can do it in snow, people can do it
in dirt. The sighting happened in the middle or at

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least early September, so the grounds were not cold. The
grounds may have been wet. The photograph, you can definitely
see that the dirt, the dirt is not as hard,
it's actually pretty soft. So you definitely have something in
this photograph that is a very interesting track print. And
if a park ranger has mentioned that he's not surprised,

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then that just alludes to something even more, something even
bigger in this area. So what do you guys think
about this case? What do you guys think about this footprint?
It's a very interesting track. I'll also put it up
in the group for you guys out there who are
curious and interested and get your own analysis on it.
I also want to go ahead and take a good
announce aalysis of this photograph, so I'll definitely give you

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guys some feedback and updates down the road in discussion
of such case. But overall, that's the story of tonight.
I want to read you guys real quick before we
do go though an encounter that occurred in eighty one
involving an eyewitness. This eye witness that actually reached out
to me a while back, but since we were doing

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a West Virginia episode, I'd figure i'd go ahead and
read it on air with his permission. So this encounter
happened in the spring of eighty one. This individual now
is in his late forties, but of course when he
was young and young and innocent, he had had a
very interesting encounter with a dog man at his grandparents' house.

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Here is the following story. Good evening, venomous. My name
is Charlie. In nineteen eighty one, I had a very
interesting encounter at my grandparents' house in glufftof West Virginia.
Interestingly enough, this encounter was nothing too violent, but it

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was just very strange and something that really attracted my
attention for years to come. It all began in March
of eighty one. I'd often spend a time at my
grandparents' house there and there on the weekends. I always
often helped with my grandfather, who was of course a
former creative war veteran, and of course my grandmother as
she needed some help in her older years as well.

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My mom and dad always worked, and at this point
in time, my mom and dad were getting divorced, So
around this time it was mostly at my grandparents' house
to ease the stress as such a situation, and knowing
that i'd have some extra help and support down the way.
It was around this time, however, things were very strange.
They're not too far from Beckley. They're also not too

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far from a residential golf course and a few other
parks in the southern region. But that's not the creepy part.
The creepy part is is that there is a series
of arrays of nights where I would often go into
the forest acre lands that would cover the backyard around
grand View. Around this time, also, there'd be heavy wolf

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and deers around the area. I remember it vividly, as
my grandfather once carved one for Thanksgiving. This was pretty strange,
though I'm familiarized with howls, but there was a few
nights where I'd go to bed, and mind you, I
had the guest bedroom that actually stood out behind the
forest area, so you can get a good view of

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the forest. I would hear some very mysterious howls. These
howls often didn't sound like your typical wolf. That didn't
sound like your typical bear, or even just in general,
anything that howls. It sounded like bloody murder. These howls
would continue from time to time. I'd twist and turn
in my bed and even put a pillow hiding my

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face sometimes because I felt that whatever it was felt
like it was watching me. I didn't feel comfortable. After
a while, I asked my grandfather a simple question, did
you hear any howling? My grandfather would laugh and say,
I didn't hear a single thing last night. However, we
do get a lot of coyotes and wolves around here,

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so it was probably just them. I wanted to believe them.
My gut feeling had said different. It wasn't until outside
one day, in vivid daylight, I went around the forest
region and just went for a small walk. Now, of course,
as I know that there's wolves and coyotes, the risk
being I could easily be torn apart, I just went

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around the perimeter. I smelt a very unsatisfying odor one day.
This odor, of course, smelt very strange, smelling urine. At
the time, we'd like to call it peepee. Overall, this
was a very mysterious odor. Didn't smell right, didn't smell
like your typical swamp, didn't smell like your typical forced land.

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It smelled very unconventionally difficult to get appliance to. It
smelt ugly. Point being, I decided to go back towards
the house. I didn't think too much of it. It
wasn't until a few weeks later I was once again
backroom guest room. I was reading a small book and

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getting ready to go to bed. This was, of course
before cellular devices, as well as also before a lot
of mainstream media and movies were actually pretty kick ass.
I was laying in bed one night, not ready to
doze off and go to sleep. I heard those damn
howls again, and this time the howls sounded even more
violent and disturbing than ever. They sat it closer to

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the house. My grandparents were dead asleep. They were heavy sleepers.
My grandfather, being a former war veteran, of course, was
prepared for anything to defend his family. I was in
the bed, relaxed, closed my eyes. It wasn't until I
heard a clall coming from the window, the claw marks

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scratching down as if there was a teacher's talkboard in
the room. I was nervous. I was afraid because we
didn't have a cat or a dog, and I strongly
doubt that whatever was outside was a dog or a
cat trying to get inside. I waited a few minutes
until the clawing became even more violent. I slowly opened

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my eyes and was greeted with a pair of glowing
red eyes.

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I was stunned.

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I was terrified, and I was beyond scared. I couldn't
even move. I was basically strapped to my bed. It
felt I didn't want to get up. I felt whatever
I was looking at was staring at me from the
outside and was trying to get in. It had a grinning,
smiling look to it. The creature clawing at the window

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stared at me for an additional extra few minutes. It
felt like it was an hour. You can see the teeth,
the yellow, ugly teeth, the breath blowing away and glaring
a nice foggy mist onto the window. You can hear
what appears to be a snarl, and something just definitely intimidating.

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I stared at it a little bit more until the
creature grinned, and then slowly but surely ran back into
the forest woodline. I only remember it so vividly because
that night it was a full moon. I didn't think
too much of it afterwards, and at that time I

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decided to never put on the drapes. I decided to
never ever look out that window ever again. It wasn't
until a few years later, when unfortunately my grandparents would
pass away, and when we sold the property, we get
a better insight on the things had come. There's definitely
on a mist and lore around that area. I had
asked my grandparents about it down the road, and ultimately

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they didn't say too much about it. As a matter
of fact, suddenly they were kind of covered in their tracks,
or they just thought it was nothing too major. They
were so used to coyotes and wolves around the area
that it was just a regular coyote and wolf incident
to them. But I remember what I had seen that night,
and I'll never forget. It's a very interesting report coming

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from this eye witness, and the fact that I've heard
it so many times when people have either been awoken
to the scratching outside the window and looking at such
creature and have that stare down. The fact that this
creature can easily break through an easy, punyglass eighty one glass,
mind you, and could easily take this person, but had

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a very intimidating source to it looked intimidating, could have
easily ripped them the shreds if it wanted to. Not
saying that in a negative way, but just a common
sense way, and very interesting. All the gaze is here
tonight from the interview, of course, of this other story.
Very interesting account, and let me know what you guys
think of such mystery. In the cases

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