October 30, 2024 • 73 mins
Tonight, a gentlemen comes on the show to talk about the mysterious Dogman cryptid.
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
CJ. Welcome to the Venomous Fringe. Good evening, and how.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Are you doing pretty good about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm doing well. I want to thank you again for
coming on the show this evening. I know that you
had contacted me following that upload to do a show interview,
and I'm very glad that you wanted to do so.
But one of the first things I wanted to ask
you is you want to come on the show this
evening to be bare bones. You want to talk about
the full incident, because what I had discussed is more
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of the smaller variation, and tonight you're here to talk
the full uncut version.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes, Okay, Now, when this incident, when you had when
we were on the phone talking, one of the biggest
things I had caught was how terrifying it was for
you and before we got into all the details. And
I think it's important too for everybody who's listening. This
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story happened in Water Valley, mississip. Was there a specific
region in Water Valley or was it just like in
the skirts of town, because Water Valley isn't too far
from a couple other notorious hotspots with dog man activity.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well in all, and to be honest, I would like
to be able to keep the location discreet because I
don't think it would be wise for anybody to try
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to think that they can go look for one of
these things. So I think it would probably be better
if the location is disclosed to the family. And who
all it had involved.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Sure, that's perfectly fine, and I totally understand that. One
of the reasons why I asked that is for that
particular purpose, because because again with a lot of stories
that are being told, it's important to always have good reasoning,
in this case, understandable reasoning to why there are things
we cannot necessarily explain to put out there for that
respective context. Now, this report had started back in two
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thousand and eight, from what I remember you were telling me. Correct, Yeah,
the first report that you had had, or at least
the encounter, sorry, you had had seen this with your cousins,
and what happened? What was the backstory on this, what
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was the how did it all begin?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, started off. Out of the three of us, I
was I was the middle I was middle aged. Sothetically,
it was Matt, myself and Ryan. Matt was the older one,
and and we had stayed home due to the fact
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that we did if my aunt and uncle had left
to go to the casinos to be able to meet
up with other family who had invited them to a dinner.
I guess it was because of a celebration that they
had and we didn't want to go, so we stayed
at home.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Ryan, knowing him.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He was addicted to his Xbox, so he played video
games a lot, and Matt he was more interested in
texting and everything, so he just laid out. He was
laid back on the cows, just chilling. You know. Well,
I actually got their attention to want to go out
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into the woods kind of pass some time. It was
still daylight, and we got down into the woods. Half
a had there was a there was a it was
kind of like a split in between the types of
woods that there were. He had regular hardwood on one
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side and he had enough but pines on the hip.
And we went off into the pine side, and off
in the pines is where the encounter actually happened. That
was the first that was That was where the initial
encounter happened. And uh, the we didn't think much of it,
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none of us, None of us had a thought that
I had a care in the world. We didn't think
anything would happen out there. We running through the woods
and you know, just playing tag. And well, the next
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thing you know.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Ryan is over to uh to me and Matt he said.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And he tells me, he said, uh, he said, ce
j H, I think there's something watching us. And we
looked around. We didn't see anything. This is still in
this is still in daylight, thinking to go dark within
about an hour or so, and it was it was. Uh,
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it was a cold night, old afternoon going into the
nighttime hours. And uh, we're looking around. We don't see anything. Well,
the next thing, Matt looks at me and he said, hey, SEEJ,
you smell that. I said, what are you talking about?
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He said, get a whiff of that. So I started
sniffing in the air to see what was see what
I see what they were getting the whiff of and
hearing or thinking, it smells like it smells like wet dog.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And death like there is no there is no.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Vowel older that could ever match to what we see.
We we had smelled and out of know, out of nowhere.
Right tugs at my arm, he said, SEEJ look straight ahead.
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I'm looking dead ahead at one hundred yards. We see
a shadow figure. We can't really make out what it
is at first. Now, at first it creeped me out
to the point of where I voulted. So it left
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Matt and Ryan down there in the bottom. I was
halfway to the house before I heard one of them screen.
I turned around to go back to them. I grabbed
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Ryan and I told Matt to run and we got
up to the house and I asked Ryan, I said, Ryan,
what did you see? Now? This kid, at twelve years old,
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told me if this thing had actually stepped out of
the shadows, and what he could see from barely one
hundred yards was a figure that stood at least seven
to eight feet tall. And the hands on this thing,
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he said, was almost true. It was almost double the
size of him and Matt's head and his arms were
actually hanging about a little lower than his knees. I said, okay,
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I said what kind of I said, what color eyes
did you see? He said they were amber yellow. Said okay.
At this point, I'm freaked. I'm totally freaked. I'm thinking
this is a joke. Well, I tell him to go.
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Let's go in the house. Let's calm down, get us
something to drink, get something neat, and we'll pretend it
never happened. Later on that night, Math went into the kitchen.
He wanted something to eat, and he spotted it standing
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right there, about about thirty feet away from the window.
This thing has followed us back up to the house.
They saw more of it than I did, because when
I seen it for the first time, I was in
the kitchen. This creature had yellow eyeshine. Its legs were
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somewhat bent, more and more and more so bent than straight.
His arms hung down right past his knees, and he
looked like he had I want to say it looked
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like he had long hair, but I could I couldn't
make it out. So I'm standing in the kitchen with Matt.
I'm freaked. Matt's preaked. We're not moving. This thing has
its eyes set dead on us. Neither one of us
say anything to Ryan. But Ryan happens to walk into
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the kitchen and to look on his face set it all.
This twelve year old kid seeing this beast out in
the woods just yards from his house. None of us moved.
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I sat back, I backed up from the window. I
took both of my hands, one to Math, one to Ryan,
and I backed him up slowly from the kitchen. We
turned the light off. We went into the living room,
and that was it. That was the first one, that
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was the first encounter. We told my aunt and uncle
about what we had seen and what had happened. When
we went out to actually look around the next day
is when we found the footprints. Wow, these footprints, pardon
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my French, were freaking huge. I had never seen footprints
the size. Never, I had never seen footprints the size.
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I thought I was imagining things at the time. I
didn't have a phone. If I did, I would have
taken pictures of I didn't have a phone. The only
phone that I was able to be reached on was
my mother's phone, because unfortunately my phone had been smashed.
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And when we seen the footprints, my uncle looked at
us and then he was like, what did you see?
And we described it to him and he started looking
into he started doing a he started he had that
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look in his face like the gears just started turning.
So he started thinking. And uh. Of course then I
didn't hear anything about it, but rumor had it that
a few years before that, we had a few years
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before we had our encounter, we had heard from some
neighboring folks that live in the same area to be
aware of the hoopers. We're like hoopers, he's a hooper.
We don't know what that was. That encounter told us
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exactly what it was, and a lot of in some
people's terminology, they would say it's a dog man. But
you have different states who have different pronunciations for what
they've seen, in our case, a hooper. The second encounter
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went down, I was nowhere to be found. I was
back at home. Of course, I only lived for about
thirty to forty five miles away. I was about a
good thirty forty five minutes away from Marc house, and
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my aunt and uncle had gone to visit some other
relatives about an hour up the road. According to Matt,
So Matt is sitting at home, he's alone, He's already
had to deal with one encounter. He tries to get
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it off his mind using video games and his cell phone,
watch the TV and all this other, all this other
stuff that he's interested in doing. And well, he goes
back into the kitchen, and I think he had I
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think he had told me. It was probably probably between
seven and ten, when it was actually still getting dark
fairly early. He was in the kitchen and he actually
seen this thing standing about less than thirty feet from
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the window. Again, he is by himself. This boy is
older than me, scared out of his wits and has
no idea what to do. Let's just kid what I'm
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thinking about it. But anyway, he goes and he thinks.
He goes and he grabs two things. He grabs his
phone and he grabs the shotgun. He called me first
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so that he would let me know of what was
going on. Now, as I said, my phone had been smashed.
So the only phone that was able to be used
to get back in touch with me was my mother's.
So my mother had a phone call coming in. She
told me to come into the living room and answer
the phone. Okay, so I answered the phone. He was mad.
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Matt is running out of breath. He's scared to death
and he is he is gibbering his speech and I
cannot understand him. I have to calm him down. I
slip Matt arm down. You have to take it easy.
What is going on? He said, that thing is back
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and it's got a weapon. I was like, you're blind?
Are you for real? He said, I'm telling you the
God on the truth. This thing had this thing has
a weapon, and I don't know what it is. I
was like, okay, well, well, what are you fixing to do?
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He said, I've got dad shotgun? I said, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold up, man, you can't do that, he said, why.
I said, we don't know anything about this thing. If
you go off popping shots at it, it's gonna immediately
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see you as a threat. He was like, well, apparently
I already looked like a threat because he's back. I
was like, don't fire that gun. But I said, do
not fire that gun. I said, you will not live
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to see another day if you fire that gun, because
you have no idea if that gun can kill it.
So he hit second wind. He said, you know, I
think he might be right. He calms down, He puts
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the gun away, turns to kitchen right off. He goes
back into his bedroom and he calls his parents. My
aunt and uncle rushed to the house. This thing was
already gone by the time they got there. Ryan had
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told his parents what it was again. It was shroud.
It was shrugged off. There's nothing more than a fairy tale.
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But there was one thing that said that that that
set that encounter off from the other that would that
had them completely confused and scared, because before this thing
had run off, not only did it shatter one of
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the windows with a rock, it also ripped riots, go
kart to shreds. I cannot stress the amount of fear
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that them two boys had faced while even I was away.
I don't go back to that house. I refused every
time they invited me down. I'm like, no, I'm good,
I can't go back. I don't go back to that area.
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And it changed a lot of the things that I do,
some of the things more than most. I'm nervous just
to go hunting, even with a partner. If I'm nervous
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just to go hunting with a partner, imagine how them
two boys are feeling about the whole situation in general,
because it happened to them on multiple occasions. I only
witnessed it once, but I know what they're feeling because
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of what I felt when I sin this thing had
my knees wanting to break in fear. If anybody decides
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that they want to try and look through this thing,
your best advisory is to don't leave well Enough alone.
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It is not a good idea because if you go
looking for this thing, you're going to find something that
you didn't want to find. I wish I had never
seen my first encounter. I feel sorry for my cousin's
knowing that they hadn't enjured, not once, but multiple times.
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And here we are, I'm older, I've been gotten a
little bit more calm down. It still it still makes
me nervous to go back to that kind of encounter.
Even if it's just one encounter, one's too many. But
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imagine how my cousin Ryan felt when he had his
third encounter. Ryan was I believe, he said, he was.
We're gonna go with eighteen. He was about right. Ryan
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was eighteen, He had a licensed to drive, had his car,
had a job, just graduated from school. Yeah. Well this
happened before they moved out from the Water Valley, so
they lived there a little bit longer than that I figured.
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But Ryan was coming home one night from work and
he decided to take the backway. And he usually would
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take the back way if he just wants to stay
out a little a little bit longer, you know, kind
of his mind off work. Where he gets home, Well,
he turns down one of the gravel roads that reconnected
with the main road that goes straight to the house,
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and he said that he had seen a tall figure
on the side of the road. Now it was off
in the woods, so it's not on the road where
you can actually see it right lights, but it was
off on the side of the road. It was a
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very tall figure. It was broad shouldered and its legs
were straighter than what we had encountered. Well, he's sitting
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there and he's looking at it and this. He said
that this thing had yellow eyes and looked to me
about eight foot eight foot pipe and he's telling me
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about this. And I asked him, I said, before you
go any further, so you think it might be another
one of the hoopers? He said, without a doubt, he.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Said the net.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
He said, my my hair is raising up on the
back of my neck, and there's no doubt, but that
is another one of the hoopers. I said, well, okay,
all right. Could you get a color of his spur
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or hair or anything. He said, yeah, he said, with
the with the shine of my lights, it was a
black fur, black mom fur. And it looked like this
creature had a man like a lion. It had more
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of a German shepherd type look, and the ears were pointed.
And I'm sitting here, I'm like, that's cluse what we sing?
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They said. The one we seen wasn't standing up of
what's standing straight up. It's like you noticed that too,
They said, yeah, he said, I was just too scared
to admit it. That's like, yeah, well, now we've got
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something to be afraid of. But when I told him
about this, I said, do you remember what I told
you all those years ago? I said, what do you mean?
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I said? When a person or creature is acting out
towards somebody or something, chances are that person has disrespected
or decimated that property. When you go in to a
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property and you buy a property, you need your respective
because not only is that your home, but it is
possibly the home of something else. Way the you have
to understand you have to give respect in order to
receive it. If you respect these things, chances are you
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will not have an attack unless you just come across
one that's all around aggressive. It does not care. This
is not a creature to be trifled with.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
There's a say, there's a lot of skeptics, there's a
lot of critics. When you when you have actually seen
one of these things, you you'll never know what the
people that have seen them are going through. You'll never
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understand because you don't believe in what you have not seen.
Seeing is believing I would not wish a creature of
this magnitude, even on my worst enemies. As I sit
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here and I tell my story, I'm actually shaking because
it's gotten me that nervous because I have to fact
because I'm having to go back in time over a
decade to be able to share what we experienced and
how it happened and what happened afterwards. Now we run
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it to the present day, I and and Uncle they
have They've been moved out of that house for a
few years now. They're at a different location. They're closer
to where I live, so where and we've been content
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with staying away from that area because after what I
had told Matt and Ryan, they now see what I
have been trying to say. It seems as if the
decimation of property led to the cause of the encounter
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and potential attack. So I just want people to understand.
I don't want them to be afraid to be going
out into the woods like that, but you need to
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be aware of your surroundings the vigilant. I can't stress
enough how dangerous this creature is. And at this point,
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it sounds like we had multiple creatures because it was
a different description for the second one that it wasn't first,
the amber eye shine compared to the yellow eye shine,
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the straight stance structure compared to the limp stance structure.
That's just me. Am I scared. Yeah, I'm a grown
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man and I'm still scared of it. And that's like
I said, I don't even hardly go hunting anymore because
of it. So but I felt that I should tell
my story. That's the way I know how. And for
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anybody that would want to try and go look for
one of these things, put it to you like this.
If if you have, if you if you have made
peace with the good Lord above, chances are that's gonna
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be last day because you're gonna go visiting the next
I don't want to put it that way. I don't
want to sound mean, but if you're gonna do if
you're gonna do your research, or if you have any
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ambitions about these things, do it from a safe distance
where you know you won't put yourself in danger or
somebody that you love. So I just want people to
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understand that, and I wanted them to hear the story
that I had to say because I've had to live
with this story in the back of my mind for
over ten years, and it's working on a hea for
over twelve years, my bad, and it's working on thirteen.
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So there you have it. You have my story. I
want I just hope that you that that these that
people will understand, do not mess with these creatures. These
are these are creatures that probably hear before any of us,
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just a thought.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
So well, for one thing I will say is that
I want to first of all, I mean, for you
especially to come out here and talk about this. It's
a very strong thing because there's not a lot of
people who have that type of courage. And it sounds
asinine for being in a field where you hear a
lot of these interviews, but really, I mean, it's hard
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for folks to really come forward about this stuff and
hearing it and how you're going about it. The PTSD
is still lingers, it hasn't changed. And for what you
had witnessed twelve years ago, it's never left your mind.
Now you had mentioned prior to this encounter, or at
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least what I believe was in between, there was apparently
activity or something that was told around that particular area
of a creature of that gratitude prior to the encounter.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yes, and there were encounters beforehand, but we saw them
as nothing more than fairy tales because we had brushed
it off as we brought We had brushed it off
like you could have put it in, put it in
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a drab. You have a little child come up to
you and you tug on your parents arm, whether it
be your mom or dad, and you tell them that
you have a monster under your bed. Your parents are
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gonna shrug it off and never look under the bed.
But what is there a monster under that bed and
that child. See, that's how we treated that situation. We
just shrugged it off. We didn't believe it one because
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we didn't. We didn't We had never seen anything like that,
so we didn't think it would ever exist. So it
was one of those times where we should have. We
did not pay nearly as much attention to our surroundings
as we do now, and that was that was on
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our fault. But at the same time, they didn't tell
us exactly where the where the encounters had been happening either,
so we had no idea. So that was just it
was kind of a freaky. It was kind of a
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kind of one of the freaky moments when you come
and and you know, your folks have been there for
a while, but nobody said anything, kind of like a
kind of like a little small town, you got the
hush hushing, you know, nobody says a word. So that's
kind of the way. That's that's kind of the way
we took it.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So and one other thing too, is that uh Water
Valley is about fifteen minutes away from Taylor, Mississippi, which
is a very notorious hot spot for donk man like activity.
Are you familiar with those cases over in that particular
region or no?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Uh, well, I I have only heard of one case,
and I've all I like said, I've only heard of
one case. And the guy that did that did the interview,
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he sounded very knowledgeable of how to react to these creatures.
But I didn't really start looking into it until further
down the road when I started to watch these videos
and I started to listen listen in on on with
on the descriptions and stuff like that, and the kind
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type of behavior that they give off and the behavior
that we got was was way different than what he
had got. And so it kind of that's the only
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thing that didn't match with mine. Of course, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't want to try to match encounters because different
things happen to different people. And I really, I really
hate that this man had had actually seen this thing,
not once or twice, because even with my even with
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my one time seeing its like it damaged a lot
of my thinking and how I go about my daily routine.
When I'm back at home and when I'm at work,
I try to use what I do for a living
to try and work my mind and to try and
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distract me from the thoughts of what is working back
at home. So that was but that was the only
encounter that I had ever heard of, and I don't
recall every ever hearing any any other kind of encounters
like that, So yeah, that would be the only one
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that I've ever heard of, right, Yeah, Taylor is h
Taylor is actually seeing as it's right there in between
Oxford and Water Valley because you can actually you can
actually get to Taylor. You can actually go down Highway
seven from Oxford to Water Valley and there's a couple
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of roads that you can take to get to Taylor.
So yeah, overall it's by fifteen to twenty minute drive, so.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Now, as for you what you had seen, are you
under the impro that what you had seen was something
of a supernatural perspective or would you believe it to
be of a flesh and blood.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
I do not believe that it would be supernatural. And
the reason I say this is because if you look into
the and this is just me thinking, m if if
you were to look at it from a paranormal side,
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do you think goes and stuff like that, If this
were something supernatural, it would act more as if an
apparition to the paranormal. That's my take on it. Everybody
else has their own opinion. So if this were the case,
there would be no reason as to why the go
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kart would have gotten torn up or a rock the
size of my head would have been smashed through a window.
I believe this is blessing blood. This is something that
has super strength. Nonetheless, but I do believe overall this
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is something blessing blood that has lived here for a
long time, and a lot of people are truving on
its territory.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Now, when you say intruding, and this is something that
I also under the belief too. You know, when it
comes to intrusion on territory. Do you believe that you, guys,
when you were walking into the backyard that forest region,
that you had went around some barrier that had definitely
set off a negative reaction, a certain territorial type defense,
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and that led to such occasion.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Absolutely, I mean, it's it's a it's always a possibility
because a lot of people do not realize where they're walking.
With us being borderline teenagers, if not already teenagers, in
this case, we would not have any knowledge of that,
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So we would not have we would not have as
what as you would say, respect for another for another
person's house, in this case the woods being this creature's house.
So I do believe that it was a it is
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a strong possibility that we may have intruded on this
creature's property, not knowing what where this thing was living.
And I think that at with that being said, since
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there were no physical attacks aside from the rock being
thrown and the go kart being smashed or ripped to shreds,
I think what was being sent off I believe, And
I and I go and I go off of the
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previous video of of what you said, of what you
had said, and I fully agree with what you had
said too, I believe that it was a show of dominance.
I believe it was more show of dominance and forceful
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respect for its presence and with us, with us establishing
that with this creature, I do not think that it
had any intention of attacking us, But at the time
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you would probably seem differently because of the way it
looked at Matt and then when it looked at me
and Ryan the same with showing teeth and snarling like
it was ready to pounce. So with that being said,
(47:35):
I do believe that that would be I think that
was probably a show, like a showing of your strength
and dominance and letting us know that y'all aren't alone here.
I am your neighbor type deal.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
So, Ryan, do you have any questions you like to
add on to that?
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah, Actually a lot of people speak of the mind
speak when they encounter a dog man. Did you get
anything like that, any telepathic vibes or anything of that nature.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
It's something like that when it had when it happens
sudden like that, it's kind of hard to be able
to sense any kind of any vibes right off hand.
But I'll go back to when we were standing in
the kitchen, because this is where it would have I
would have been able to sense it the most when
(48:38):
we were standing in the kitchen. They when it was
looking at us, this this thing, we'll call it a
thing because we couldn't confirm it if it was a
dog man or not. For kids. Yeah, so when you're
looking at this thing, I was getting vibes of unease.
(49:05):
It was not it was it felt it felt evil,
But at the same time, the creature seemed to just
want peace. It's like he didn't want to attack us.
(49:27):
He just want us to leave him alone and stay
off the property.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
So more or less, it was just presenting itself to
show you it's there and it means business, but it
didn't want to interact in any violent way exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
And the two the two instances right where he threw
the rock through the window or when he ripped up
the go kart, that was just to showcase the strength
of what he can do to us if we were
to do what we had done again, which I don't
(50:06):
know what we did. I mean, all we were doing
was running around in the woods playing.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
So you think it was setting an example, Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
I truly believe it was more of an example. I mean,
it's more than enough of an example for me if
that's what's you're asking, because I can't. I can't go
back there, dude, I really cannot.
Speaker 6 (50:33):
Oh, I understand completely.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
I can't. I can't even take the trash out it,
not if I wanted to. I mean, it's got me
that unnerve.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
But that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
And and I just you have a lot of people
that will been like, oh, you're spray of the dark.
You just you know, get you know you can't stand
being in the dark. Well, yeah, not anymore. Of course
you don't know what's in it because you've never seen
it exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:13):
One though, we'll understand anybody who's encountered any sort of
crypted will understand you completely.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
And it's and it's like I said, I cannot stress
this enough. I would not want somebody to go looking
for one of these where we seen them, where we
seen these two creatures, where well, let me rewind where
(51:40):
these two creatures were seen. It's no mistaken it was
dog It was it was that they were in fact
dog men. From the descriptions, the behaviors, the type of sense,
(52:03):
the knowledge, these things are smart, these things are fast.
They're all so strong. You put them together into one creature,
and you try to face that by yourself, you just
(52:23):
signed your own death be port, because not only are
you gonna get out maneuvered, but you're gonna get manhandled
and you're gonna get ripped of shreds.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
That could very well happen.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
You never know what type of one of these things
that you're gonna come across. Luckily, for the two that
were seen, they were not seen as aggressive right because
of their actions. They weren't I seen as aggressive at
(53:06):
one standing by the road. It didn't want any part
of anything. It was just standing there, stands there. And
at my cousin as he was coming home and he
happened to see it. No agreement.
Speaker 6 (53:17):
I am curious though, was there any body language from
either sighting, maybe some head tailting from the dog man
or ears going back or anything along those lines.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
No, there was no there from from what we could
see in the first encounter. There was. There was relatively
no body language because of uh, because we were still
trying to make it out. We were we were trying
to make out what we were seeing, which was was
pliced into perspective that he was actually somewhat still in
(53:53):
the shadows, So even if he had made any kind
of body language, it was hard for us to be
able to distinguish what kind it would have. Now the
second my cousin was not one hundred percent sure, so
I would not be able to quote on that.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
Okay, Now, one thing that I will also mention is.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
When you described it right, what it looked like. Did
this thing look more like your average werewolf from like
your typical werewolf movie or did it look like something
that kind of was more like a dog like? Do
you get what I'm saying? Did did it feel more
(54:49):
had like a K nine like instinct to it versus
what your typical wolf were wolf like would have. The
reason why I asked this is because there's often been
a bit of a misinterpretation and a downsite to the
descriptions of some of these creatures. But I always ask
also too, because you had made mention that you know,
(55:12):
you had one encounter with a possible one of them,
and then there is another one with another one a
little different. So I just wanted to get an idea
on the descriptions of them.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Okay, this is the best way I can be able
to explain it. If you have seen I believe the
movie is I believe the movie is called Soldier.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Dogs Dog Soldiers.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Dog Soldiers. There it is I gotta mix up my
bad no problem, dog Soldiers. If you've watched that movie,
the first encounter that we had, what similarly, what would
have a similarity to one of the werewolves on that
(56:07):
movie at the end of it, it would have a
litle similarity, which means in the first encounter, we are
not one hundred percent positive, but we know of what
the legs look like. The legs were not straight in
(56:28):
that movie. The legs were not straight. Now the second encounter,
I can tell you from his description if I were to,
if I were to, if I were to look at
some of the pictures that you have on your videos,
(56:50):
I could probably be able to point it out just
based off of this, just based off of the picture
that he the the photographic image in my head that
he painted from me. So any of your pictures, if
I could see, if I could see, like any any
(57:13):
row of pictures that you may have, there is a
very high chance that I can be able to point
out exactly the one thing.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
The only the difficulty, I mean, there's been a lot
of people who've often commented that there have been some
that looked like the dogs from Dog Soldiers. But I
think the difficulty too is that, like a lot of
the photos that we use are specifically stock or PNG photos,
animated photos, So we don't really have a nice idea
besides what we take from reference from Hollywood and also
other fictitious tales. But I asked about descriptions because I
(57:51):
know that a lot of these descriptions there in there
they do tend to have a bearing between K nine
and Wolf. Now, this is one particular question that comes
from another individual that was in our show. Of course,
co host Sense he had to leave, but he had
a question for you, and this is his following question. Now, CJ,
(58:11):
I know that this may have been a bit traumatic experience,
but I wanted to ask you to try it back
and think back when you looked straight ahead and you
had seen this figure in the shadow and creature for
the first time, your first emotion, the response to your
body and mind had and then when did you know
it was something that you had to get away from.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
Well, the first the first thought that comes through my
hand was okay, this is not does not look like
a friendly creature like the stone. Emotion was literally terrify.
(59:01):
I mean, it scared me. I'm not I'm not easy
to scare. It's scared, and yeh, I think the reason
that I would have I think the reason that I
(59:22):
would have reacted the way I did is because usually, yeah,
I would, I would base it off of the instinct
because if you see that there's something you see, if
you see something that you do not think you can overcome,
(59:43):
you try to run and retreat and regroup to think
of another strategy to be able to compact me. But
in this sense, this was run, get to a safe spot,
and do not try anything stupid. So that's that's basically
(01:00:08):
how I look at it. And I don't think I
made a wrong choice in the actions that I did.
I feel bad. I felt bad that I had that
during when the first encounter had taken place, I had
(01:00:29):
actually ran off and left my little cousin. I felt
bad about that. I hugged him later and I told
him I was sorry because in because in in that
first flitch second, you thought instantly every man for himself,
and you were gone and That's how I was. And
(01:00:54):
thinking back to that decision, it really it haunted me
a lot. You just just think that that scream that
I would have if I had lost my book cousin
because of that. There's no way that I could have
lived with myself. And there's nothing that anybody could have
(01:01:17):
done and changed that, because even with me being the
middle child of the three of us, I had the
one I was the one that had the most smart
(01:01:39):
I was the brains out of the three of us.
And it was a foolish thing on my part to
do that. And I'm I and I and I'm willing
to own up to that. That was, like I said,
it was my mistake costed my cousin's life had it
(01:02:05):
had it gotten any closer than it did, because I
don't know it ran, I don't know what it did.
So that was just that's just how I thought about
the situation and how I went about doing it. It
was it was stupid, but at the same time, we
(01:02:34):
we put our hits together, thought of a solution together,
and I was just thinking, my thinking my lucky stars
and my cousin had not been a victim of the
one of these things.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
It's totally understandable. You know, it was a very traumatic experience,
and of course your reaction, you know, it's adrenaline. People
have it. Unfortunately, you know it might not be the
most of nicest because you know, that's like when you're
caught by the police doing something and ultimately your first
instinct is to run, and in this case you saw
(01:03:13):
that and that was your first instinct. But luckily no
one was harmed and in the event it was well bought. Now, unfortunately,
in the case that it led up to the effects
of it, PTSD wise still linger. And you had made
mention that you have not had a day gone by
where you really do not go well, you're not a
(01:03:34):
day go bye. You yourself do not do a lot
of activities out in the woods, whether it's hunting or camping.
Have you yourself though, even though that yes, that this is
something that is more of a personal manner that you
would have to go about. Is there a boat of confidence,
Is there a site that you know, despite what you
(01:03:56):
had seen, that this will turn over you, that the
fear of it may be still there, and the thoughts
might be still there, but you would still have the
thought of freedom and space to go back out and
engage in the wilderness anytime soon or will it never change?
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Well? And then this is this is how I look
at it, and it will only change.
Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
If you choose to change correct.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
It is something it is very hard to change, even
under your own willpower. And the reason I say this
is because once you've had one of the one of
these encounters and you've been dealt damaged to your threat,
(01:04:54):
your way of thinking, you have to try to find
somebody who can try to relate. But at the same
time you have to you have to see you have
to make sure that this person isn't going to let
is it going to try to isn't going to try
to break you down or look down on you because
(01:05:16):
they think you said you've seen something that spooks you
so bad again even can't even sleep in mind. No,
you would need to find somebody that you can trust,
that you know you can count on, that you can
talk to. Whether it be your parents, whether it be
your siblings, whether it be your extended family, whether it
(01:05:39):
be your friends, it doesn't matter. As long as you
trust somebody, that person that you trust will be able
to help you regain the confidence that you once lost
because of an encounter of this magnet. And I firmally
(01:06:00):
believe that because I have had a couple of people
in my corner that have helped me, and I'm slowly
getting back into doing things outdoors. Don't get me wrong,
I don't go along. I refuse to go by myself.
I will not go. You can try me all day long,
(01:06:20):
I will not go. So with that being said, it's
always good to have that one person that you can
trust that can help you regain your confidence to do
the things that you once loved to do outside. And
I have tried to do that and I'm steadily working
at it, and it's taking me a long time, as
(01:06:43):
you can see. So it's not something that can easily
be changed. You have to work your way back into it.
So that's just how that's in my vinion. That's how
I look.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
At it, and that's a very good way of looking
at it. It's totally understandable. Before we conclude this show
this evening, Ryan, do you have any closing questions or
any closing thoughts you'd like to deliver for CJ.
Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Actually, you know, one thing that caught me about his
encounter was the straight legged creature that he described, how
certain are you that that was a dog man and
not a type of sasquatch perhaps.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Okay, can you repeat that question?
Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Okay, Yeah, you had said that one of your cousins
had seen a straight legged being with the straight legs,
not the kenine legs. Now, it could be possible that
that was a type of sasquatch that's known to look
like that as well, given the yellow eyeshine. Also, well,
it is, it's kind of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I firmly believe that it could have been that it
could have been either one. I went with dog Man
because the way that he told me, I asked him
if he could smell anything in the air mhm, and
he was getting a familiar spell like what we had
(01:08:20):
actually smelled in the first encounter. So that's what led
me to believe that it was that it was the
possible dog man that he had seen, because I've bought
back at reports and I've heard some encounters from sasquatch,
(01:08:42):
and sasquatch has a real musty odor. So with that
being said, it didn't seem like it would match with
the same type odor that we had smelled at that time,
(01:09:05):
which led me to believe that it would it could
have been a dog man, So I could be wrong,
could be right, but that's what I believe it would
have been, simply due to the fact of the odor
that it was giving off. And he also did say
(01:09:28):
that it had poenty ears too.
Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Oh okay, yeah, that toylet lanes up then, Okay, I
just curdsused about that.
Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Yeah, he said it also had pointed ears, so that
that that really threw it into Okay, this has gotta
be another dog man. So but other than that, I
have heard nothing, and overall I want nothing more to
(01:10:00):
do in these things.
Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
So very good I can understand that, CJ. And that
being said, we're going to conclude the show, folks. Before
we do go, I'm going to say a couple of
closing words and arguments before we go and proceed. CJ.
First and foremost, I want to thank you again for
taking the time out of your schedule to come and
sit down with us talk about your encounters and stories
(01:10:26):
and hopefully these do help folk, whether in the Water
Valley area or in general. And one thing about you, CJ,
and this is something that I had also commented on
when I had read your initial report. The emotions and
the thoughts of how you feel towards this have never
left you traumatically, and even how you've vocalized, you know,
(01:10:47):
the change in life following afterwards, and of course what
happened with your cousins and whatnot, and your emotions and
how you feel about this has been so it could
feel it. I could feel the vibe, the terrifying reaction
that you have. And I have to give you a
lot of credit for taking the bravery to sit here
(01:11:07):
and to talk about this, because this is not a
very easy subject to talk about. Unfortunately, it's a very
complicated subject and one that does leave people thinking and
traumatized because of the circumstances. But I wanted to say
that you're a very brave individual for coming out and
discussing this, because it's not every day that we can
get this type of discussion, and hearing it from you
(01:11:31):
from your own perspective, it's even more uplift int to
feel because of how hard it was, So you should
feel very proud to at least open about it. To
take a deep breath and note that it's said, it's
never left, however, but it's out there.
Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Well. I appreciate you having me on Chris, and I
want to say that it's not easy to talk about
something like this, and even at my even with me
at the age that I am, it still hurts. And
I may not show it. I don't know how, I
don't know if y'all can be able to tell it.
(01:12:15):
But it's got me unnerved. It's still it's still gonna
have be unnerved for a while. But I'm just glad
that I could be able to get my story out,
to be able to give a better perspective on not
only from one side, but both sides. And I just
hope that anybody that here's this understands what I say,
(01:12:41):
do not look for these things
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
CJ. Welcome to the Venomous Fringe. Good evening, and how.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Are you doing pretty good about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm doing well. I want to thank you again for
coming on the show this evening. I know that you
had contacted me following that upload to do a show interview,
and I'm very glad that you wanted to do so.
But one of the first things I wanted to ask
you is you want to come on the show this
evening to be bare bones. You want to talk about
the full incident, because what I had discussed is more
(01:29):
of the smaller variation, and tonight you're here to talk
the full uncut version.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes, Okay, Now, when this incident, when you had when
we were on the phone talking, one of the biggest
things I had caught was how terrifying it was for
you and before we got into all the details. And
I think it's important too for everybody who's listening. This
(01:56):
story happened in Water Valley, mississip. Was there a specific
region in Water Valley or was it just like in
the skirts of town, because Water Valley isn't too far
from a couple other notorious hotspots with dog man activity.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well in all, and to be honest, I would like
to be able to keep the location discreet because I
don't think it would be wise for anybody to try
(02:35):
to think that they can go look for one of
these things. So I think it would probably be better
if the location is disclosed to the family. And who
all it had involved.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Sure, that's perfectly fine, and I totally understand that. One
of the reasons why I asked that is for that
particular purpose, because because again with a lot of stories
that are being told, it's important to always have good reasoning,
in this case, understandable reasoning to why there are things
we cannot necessarily explain to put out there for that
respective context. Now, this report had started back in two
(03:17):
thousand and eight, from what I remember you were telling me. Correct, Yeah,
the first report that you had had, or at least
the encounter, sorry, you had had seen this with your cousins,
and what happened? What was the backstory on this, what
(03:38):
was the how did it all begin?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, started off. Out of the three of us, I
was I was the middle I was middle aged. Sothetically,
it was Matt, myself and Ryan. Matt was the older one,
and and we had stayed home due to the fact
(04:05):
that we did if my aunt and uncle had left
to go to the casinos to be able to meet
up with other family who had invited them to a dinner.
I guess it was because of a celebration that they
had and we didn't want to go, so we stayed
at home.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Ryan, knowing him.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He was addicted to his Xbox, so he played video
games a lot, and Matt he was more interested in
texting and everything, so he just laid out. He was
laid back on the cows, just chilling. You know. Well,
I actually got their attention to want to go out
(04:50):
into the woods kind of pass some time. It was
still daylight, and we got down into the woods. Half
a had there was a there was a it was
kind of like a split in between the types of
woods that there were. He had regular hardwood on one
(05:12):
side and he had enough but pines on the hip.
And we went off into the pine side, and off
in the pines is where the encounter actually happened. That
was the first that was That was where the initial
encounter happened. And uh, the we didn't think much of it,
(05:46):
none of us, None of us had a thought that
I had a care in the world. We didn't think
anything would happen out there. We running through the woods
and you know, just playing tag. And well, the next
(06:07):
thing you know.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Ryan is over to uh to me and Matt he said.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And he tells me, he said, uh, he said, ce
j H, I think there's something watching us. And we
looked around. We didn't see anything. This is still in
this is still in daylight, thinking to go dark within
about an hour or so, and it was it was. Uh,
(06:43):
it was a cold night, old afternoon going into the
nighttime hours. And uh, we're looking around. We don't see anything. Well,
the next thing, Matt looks at me and he said, hey, SEEJ,
you smell that. I said, what are you talking about?
(07:05):
He said, get a whiff of that. So I started
sniffing in the air to see what was see what
I see what they were getting the whiff of and
hearing or thinking, it smells like it smells like wet dog.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And death like there is no there is no.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Vowel older that could ever match to what we see.
We we had smelled and out of know, out of nowhere.
Right tugs at my arm, he said, SEEJ look straight ahead.
(07:52):
I'm looking dead ahead at one hundred yards. We see
a shadow figure. We can't really make out what it
is at first. Now, at first it creeped me out
to the point of where I voulted. So it left
(08:13):
Matt and Ryan down there in the bottom. I was
halfway to the house before I heard one of them screen.
I turned around to go back to them. I grabbed
(08:33):
Ryan and I told Matt to run and we got
up to the house and I asked Ryan, I said, Ryan,
what did you see? Now? This kid, at twelve years old,
(08:59):
told me if this thing had actually stepped out of
the shadows, and what he could see from barely one
hundred yards was a figure that stood at least seven
to eight feet tall. And the hands on this thing,
(09:29):
he said, was almost true. It was almost double the
size of him and Matt's head and his arms were
actually hanging about a little lower than his knees. I said, okay,
(09:49):
I said what kind of I said, what color eyes
did you see? He said they were amber yellow. Said okay.
At this point, I'm freaked. I'm totally freaked. I'm thinking
this is a joke. Well, I tell him to go.
(10:10):
Let's go in the house. Let's calm down, get us
something to drink, get something neat, and we'll pretend it
never happened. Later on that night, Math went into the kitchen.
He wanted something to eat, and he spotted it standing
(10:38):
right there, about about thirty feet away from the window.
This thing has followed us back up to the house.
They saw more of it than I did, because when
I seen it for the first time, I was in
the kitchen. This creature had yellow eyeshine. Its legs were
(11:09):
somewhat bent, more and more and more so bent than straight.
His arms hung down right past his knees, and he
looked like he had I want to say it looked
(11:33):
like he had long hair, but I could I couldn't
make it out. So I'm standing in the kitchen with Matt.
I'm freaked. Matt's preaked. We're not moving. This thing has
its eyes set dead on us. Neither one of us
say anything to Ryan. But Ryan happens to walk into
(11:57):
the kitchen and to look on his face set it all.
This twelve year old kid seeing this beast out in
the woods just yards from his house. None of us moved.
(12:21):
I sat back, I backed up from the window. I
took both of my hands, one to Math, one to Ryan,
and I backed him up slowly from the kitchen. We
turned the light off. We went into the living room,
and that was it. That was the first one, that
(12:43):
was the first encounter. We told my aunt and uncle
about what we had seen and what had happened. When
we went out to actually look around the next day
is when we found the footprints. Wow, these footprints, pardon
(13:12):
my French, were freaking huge. I had never seen footprints
the size. Never, I had never seen footprints the size.
(13:35):
I thought I was imagining things at the time. I
didn't have a phone. If I did, I would have
taken pictures of I didn't have a phone. The only
phone that I was able to be reached on was
my mother's phone, because unfortunately my phone had been smashed.
(14:02):
And when we seen the footprints, my uncle looked at
us and then he was like, what did you see?
And we described it to him and he started looking
into he started doing a he started he had that
(14:26):
look in his face like the gears just started turning.
So he started thinking. And uh. Of course then I
didn't hear anything about it, but rumor had it that
a few years before that, we had a few years
(14:46):
before we had our encounter, we had heard from some
neighboring folks that live in the same area to be
aware of the hoopers. We're like hoopers, he's a hooper.
We don't know what that was. That encounter told us
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exactly what it was, and a lot of in some
people's terminology, they would say it's a dog man. But
you have different states who have different pronunciations for what
they've seen, in our case, a hooper. The second encounter
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went down, I was nowhere to be found. I was
back at home. Of course, I only lived for about
thirty to forty five miles away. I was about a
good thirty forty five minutes away from Marc house, and
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my aunt and uncle had gone to visit some other
relatives about an hour up the road. According to Matt,
So Matt is sitting at home, he's alone, He's already
had to deal with one encounter. He tries to get
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it off his mind using video games and his cell phone,
watch the TV and all this other, all this other
stuff that he's interested in doing. And well, he goes
back into the kitchen, and I think he had I
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think he had told me. It was probably probably between
seven and ten, when it was actually still getting dark
fairly early. He was in the kitchen and he actually
seen this thing standing about less than thirty feet from
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the window. Again, he is by himself. This boy is
older than me, scared out of his wits and has
no idea what to do. Let's just kid what I'm
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thinking about it. But anyway, he goes and he thinks.
He goes and he grabs two things. He grabs his
phone and he grabs the shotgun. He called me first
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so that he would let me know of what was
going on. Now, as I said, my phone had been smashed.
So the only phone that was able to be used
to get back in touch with me was my mother's.
So my mother had a phone call coming in. She
told me to come into the living room and answer
the phone. Okay, so I answered the phone. He was mad.
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Matt is running out of breath. He's scared to death
and he is he is gibbering his speech and I
cannot understand him. I have to calm him down. I
slip Matt arm down. You have to take it easy.
What is going on? He said, that thing is back
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and it's got a weapon. I was like, you're blind?
Are you for real? He said, I'm telling you the
God on the truth. This thing had this thing has
a weapon, and I don't know what it is. I
was like, okay, well, well, what are you fixing to do?
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He said, I've got dad shotgun? I said, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold up, man, you can't do that, he said, why.
I said, we don't know anything about this thing. If
you go off popping shots at it, it's gonna immediately
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see you as a threat. He was like, well, apparently
I already looked like a threat because he's back. I
was like, don't fire that gun. But I said, do
not fire that gun. I said, you will not live
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to see another day if you fire that gun, because
you have no idea if that gun can kill it.
So he hit second wind. He said, you know, I
think he might be right. He calms down, He puts
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the gun away, turns to kitchen right off. He goes
back into his bedroom and he calls his parents. My
aunt and uncle rushed to the house. This thing was
already gone by the time they got there. Ryan had
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told his parents what it was again. It was shroud.
It was shrugged off. There's nothing more than a fairy tale.
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But there was one thing that said that that that
set that encounter off from the other that would that
had them completely confused and scared, because before this thing
had run off, not only did it shatter one of
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the windows with a rock, it also ripped riots, go
kart to shreds. I cannot stress the amount of fear
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that them two boys had faced while even I was away.
I don't go back to that house. I refused every
time they invited me down. I'm like, no, I'm good,
I can't go back. I don't go back to that area.
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And it changed a lot of the things that I do,
some of the things more than most. I'm nervous just
to go hunting, even with a partner. If I'm nervous
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just to go hunting with a partner, imagine how them
two boys are feeling about the whole situation in general,
because it happened to them on multiple occasions. I only
witnessed it once, but I know what they're feeling because
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of what I felt when I sin this thing had
my knees wanting to break in fear. If anybody decides
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that they want to try and look through this thing,
your best advisory is to don't leave well Enough alone.
(23:50):
It is not a good idea because if you go
looking for this thing, you're going to find something that
you didn't want to find. I wish I had never
seen my first encounter. I feel sorry for my cousin's
knowing that they hadn't enjured, not once, but multiple times.
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And here we are, I'm older, I've been gotten a
little bit more calm down. It still it still makes
me nervous to go back to that kind of encounter.
Even if it's just one encounter, one's too many. But
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imagine how my cousin Ryan felt when he had his
third encounter. Ryan was I believe, he said, he was.
We're gonna go with eighteen. He was about right. Ryan
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was eighteen, He had a licensed to drive, had his car,
had a job, just graduated from school. Yeah. Well this
happened before they moved out from the Water Valley, so
they lived there a little bit longer than that I figured.
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But Ryan was coming home one night from work and
he decided to take the backway. And he usually would
(25:54):
take the back way if he just wants to stay
out a little a little bit longer, you know, kind
of his mind off work. Where he gets home, Well,
he turns down one of the gravel roads that reconnected
with the main road that goes straight to the house,
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and he said that he had seen a tall figure
on the side of the road. Now it was off
in the woods, so it's not on the road where
you can actually see it right lights, but it was
off on the side of the road. It was a
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very tall figure. It was broad shouldered and its legs
were straighter than what we had encountered. Well, he's sitting
(26:57):
there and he's looking at it and this. He said
that this thing had yellow eyes and looked to me
about eight foot eight foot pipe and he's telling me
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about this. And I asked him, I said, before you
go any further, so you think it might be another
one of the hoopers? He said, without a doubt, he.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Said the net.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
He said, my my hair is raising up on the
back of my neck, and there's no doubt, but that
is another one of the hoopers. I said, well, okay,
all right. Could you get a color of his spur
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or hair or anything. He said, yeah, he said, with
the with the shine of my lights, it was a
black fur, black mom fur. And it looked like this
creature had a man like a lion. It had more
(28:23):
of a German shepherd type look, and the ears were pointed.
And I'm sitting here, I'm like, that's cluse what we sing?
(28:43):
They said. The one we seen wasn't standing up of
what's standing straight up. It's like you noticed that too,
They said, yeah, he said, I was just too scared
to admit it. That's like, yeah, well, now we've got
(29:04):
something to be afraid of. But when I told him
about this, I said, do you remember what I told
you all those years ago? I said, what do you mean?
(29:26):
I said? When a person or creature is acting out
towards somebody or something, chances are that person has disrespected
or decimated that property. When you go in to a
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property and you buy a property, you need your respective
because not only is that your home, but it is
possibly the home of something else. Way the you have
to understand you have to give respect in order to
receive it. If you respect these things, chances are you
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will not have an attack unless you just come across
one that's all around aggressive. It does not care. This
is not a creature to be trifled with.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
There's a say, there's a lot of skeptics, there's a
lot of critics. When you when you have actually seen
one of these things, you you'll never know what the
people that have seen them are going through. You'll never
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understand because you don't believe in what you have not seen.
Seeing is believing I would not wish a creature of
this magnitude, even on my worst enemies. As I sit
(31:24):
here and I tell my story, I'm actually shaking because
it's gotten me that nervous because I have to fact
because I'm having to go back in time over a
decade to be able to share what we experienced and
how it happened and what happened afterwards. Now we run
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it to the present day, I and and Uncle they
have They've been moved out of that house for a
few years now. They're at a different location. They're closer
to where I live, so where and we've been content
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with staying away from that area because after what I
had told Matt and Ryan, they now see what I
have been trying to say. It seems as if the
decimation of property led to the cause of the encounter
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and potential attack. So I just want people to understand.
I don't want them to be afraid to be going
out into the woods like that, but you need to
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be aware of your surroundings the vigilant. I can't stress
enough how dangerous this creature is. And at this point,
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it sounds like we had multiple creatures because it was
a different description for the second one that it wasn't first,
the amber eye shine compared to the yellow eye shine,
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the straight stance structure compared to the limp stance structure.
That's just me. Am I scared. Yeah, I'm a grown
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man and I'm still scared of it. And that's like
I said, I don't even hardly go hunting anymore because
of it. So but I felt that I should tell
my story. That's the way I know how. And for
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anybody that would want to try and go look for
one of these things, put it to you like this.
If if you have, if you if you have made
peace with the good Lord above, chances are that's gonna
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be last day because you're gonna go visiting the next
I don't want to put it that way. I don't
want to sound mean, but if you're gonna do if
you're gonna do your research, or if you have any
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ambitions about these things, do it from a safe distance
where you know you won't put yourself in danger or
somebody that you love. So I just want people to
(35:47):
understand that, and I wanted them to hear the story
that I had to say because I've had to live
with this story in the back of my mind for
over ten years, and it's working on a hea for
over twelve years, my bad, and it's working on thirteen.
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So there you have it. You have my story. I
want I just hope that you that that these that
people will understand, do not mess with these creatures. These
are these are creatures that probably hear before any of us,
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just a thought.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
So well, for one thing I will say is that
I want to first of all, I mean, for you
especially to come out here and talk about this. It's
a very strong thing because there's not a lot of
people who have that type of courage. And it sounds
asinine for being in a field where you hear a
lot of these interviews, but really, I mean, it's hard
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for folks to really come forward about this stuff and
hearing it and how you're going about it. The PTSD
is still lingers, it hasn't changed. And for what you
had witnessed twelve years ago, it's never left your mind.
Now you had mentioned prior to this encounter, or at
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least what I believe was in between, there was apparently
activity or something that was told around that particular area
of a creature of that gratitude prior to the encounter.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yes, and there were encounters beforehand, but we saw them
as nothing more than fairy tales because we had brushed
it off as we brought We had brushed it off
like you could have put it in, put it in
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a drab. You have a little child come up to
you and you tug on your parents arm, whether it
be your mom or dad, and you tell them that
you have a monster under your bed. Your parents are
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gonna shrug it off and never look under the bed.
But what is there a monster under that bed and
that child. See, that's how we treated that situation. We
just shrugged it off. We didn't believe it one because
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we didn't. We didn't We had never seen anything like that,
so we didn't think it would ever exist. So it
was one of those times where we should have. We
did not pay nearly as much attention to our surroundings
as we do now, and that was that was on
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our fault. But at the same time, they didn't tell
us exactly where the where the encounters had been happening either,
so we had no idea. So that was just it
was kind of a freaky. It was kind of a
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kind of one of the freaky moments when you come
and and you know, your folks have been there for
a while, but nobody said anything, kind of like a
kind of like a little small town, you got the
hush hushing, you know, nobody says a word. So that's
kind of the way. That's that's kind of the way
we took it.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So and one other thing too, is that uh Water
Valley is about fifteen minutes away from Taylor, Mississippi, which
is a very notorious hot spot for donk man like activity.
Are you familiar with those cases over in that particular
region or no?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Uh, well, I I have only heard of one case,
and I've all I like said, I've only heard of
one case. And the guy that did that did the interview,
(40:29):
he sounded very knowledgeable of how to react to these creatures.
But I didn't really start looking into it until further
down the road when I started to watch these videos
and I started to listen listen in on on with
on the descriptions and stuff like that, and the kind
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type of behavior that they give off and the behavior
that we got was was way different than what he
had got. And so it kind of that's the only
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thing that didn't match with mine. Of course, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't want to try to match encounters because different
things happen to different people. And I really, I really
hate that this man had had actually seen this thing,
not once or twice, because even with my even with
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my one time seeing its like it damaged a lot
of my thinking and how I go about my daily routine.
When I'm back at home and when I'm at work,
I try to use what I do for a living
to try and work my mind and to try and
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distract me from the thoughts of what is working back
at home. So that was but that was the only
encounter that I had ever heard of, and I don't
recall every ever hearing any any other kind of encounters
like that, So yeah, that would be the only one
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that I've ever heard of, right, Yeah, Taylor is h
Taylor is actually seeing as it's right there in between
Oxford and Water Valley because you can actually you can
actually get to Taylor. You can actually go down Highway
seven from Oxford to Water Valley and there's a couple
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of roads that you can take to get to Taylor.
So yeah, overall it's by fifteen to twenty minute drive, so.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Now, as for you what you had seen, are you
under the impro that what you had seen was something
of a supernatural perspective or would you believe it to
be of a flesh and blood.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
I do not believe that it would be supernatural. And
the reason I say this is because if you look into
the and this is just me thinking, m if if
you were to look at it from a paranormal side,
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do you think goes and stuff like that, If this
were something supernatural, it would act more as if an
apparition to the paranormal. That's my take on it. Everybody
else has their own opinion. So if this were the case,
there would be no reason as to why the go
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kart would have gotten torn up or a rock the
size of my head would have been smashed through a window.
I believe this is blessing blood. This is something that
has super strength. Nonetheless, but I do believe overall this
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is something blessing blood that has lived here for a
long time, and a lot of people are truving on
its territory.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Now, when you say intruding, and this is something that
I also under the belief too. You know, when it
comes to intrusion on territory. Do you believe that you, guys,
when you were walking into the backyard that forest region,
that you had went around some barrier that had definitely
set off a negative reaction, a certain territorial type defense,
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and that led to such occasion.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Absolutely, I mean, it's it's a it's always a possibility
because a lot of people do not realize where they're walking.
With us being borderline teenagers, if not already teenagers, in
this case, we would not have any knowledge of that,
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So we would not have we would not have as
what as you would say, respect for another for another
person's house, in this case the woods being this creature's house.
So I do believe that it was a it is
(45:40):
a strong possibility that we may have intruded on this
creature's property, not knowing what where this thing was living.
And I think that at with that being said, since
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there were no physical attacks aside from the rock being
thrown and the go kart being smashed or ripped to shreds,
I think what was being sent off I believe, And
I and I go and I go off of the
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previous video of of what you said, of what you
had said, and I fully agree with what you had
said too, I believe that it was a show of dominance.
I believe it was more show of dominance and forceful
(46:50):
respect for its presence and with us, with us establishing
that with this creature, I do not think that it
had any intention of attacking us, But at the time
(47:15):
you would probably seem differently because of the way it
looked at Matt and then when it looked at me
and Ryan the same with showing teeth and snarling like
it was ready to pounce. So with that being said,
(47:35):
I do believe that that would be I think that
was probably a show, like a showing of your strength
and dominance and letting us know that y'all aren't alone here.
I am your neighbor type deal.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
So, Ryan, do you have any questions you like to
add on to that?
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Yeah, Actually a lot of people speak of the mind
speak when they encounter a dog man. Did you get
anything like that, any telepathic vibes or anything of that nature.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
It's something like that when it had when it happens
sudden like that, it's kind of hard to be able
to sense any kind of any vibes right off hand.
But I'll go back to when we were standing in
the kitchen, because this is where it would have I
would have been able to sense it the most when
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we were standing in the kitchen. They when it was
looking at us, this this thing, we'll call it a
thing because we couldn't confirm it if it was a
dog man or not. For kids. Yeah, so when you're
looking at this thing, I was getting vibes of unease.
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It was not it was it felt it felt evil,
But at the same time, the creature seemed to just
want peace. It's like he didn't want to attack us.
(49:27):
He just want us to leave him alone and stay
off the property.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
So more or less, it was just presenting itself to
show you it's there and it means business, but it
didn't want to interact in any violent way exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
And the two the two instances right where he threw
the rock through the window or when he ripped up
the go kart, that was just to showcase the strength
of what he can do to us if we were
to do what we had done again, which I don't
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know what we did. I mean, all we were doing
was running around in the woods playing.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
So you think it was setting an example, Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
I truly believe it was more of an example. I mean,
it's more than enough of an example for me if
that's what's you're asking, because I can't. I can't go
back there, dude, I really cannot.
Speaker 6 (50:33):
Oh, I understand completely.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
I can't. I can't even take the trash out it,
not if I wanted to. I mean, it's got me
that unnerve.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
But that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
And and I just you have a lot of people
that will been like, oh, you're spray of the dark.
You just you know, get you know you can't stand
being in the dark. Well, yeah, not anymore. Of course
you don't know what's in it because you've never seen
it exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:13):
One though, we'll understand anybody who's encountered any sort of
crypted will understand you completely.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
And it's and it's like I said, I cannot stress
this enough. I would not want somebody to go looking
for one of these where we seen them, where we
seen these two creatures, where well, let me rewind where
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these two creatures were seen. It's no mistaken it was
dog It was it was that they were in fact
dog men. From the descriptions, the behaviors, the type of sense,
(52:03):
the knowledge, these things are smart, these things are fast.
They're all so strong. You put them together into one creature,
and you try to face that by yourself, you just
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signed your own death be port, because not only are
you gonna get out maneuvered, but you're gonna get manhandled
and you're gonna get ripped of shreds.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
That could very well happen.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
You never know what type of one of these things
that you're gonna come across. Luckily, for the two that
were seen, they were not seen as aggressive right because
of their actions. They weren't I seen as aggressive at
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one standing by the road. It didn't want any part
of anything. It was just standing there, stands there. And
at my cousin as he was coming home and he
happened to see it. No agreement.
Speaker 6 (53:17):
I am curious though, was there any body language from
either sighting, maybe some head tailting from the dog man
or ears going back or anything along those lines.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
No, there was no there from from what we could
see in the first encounter. There was. There was relatively
no body language because of uh, because we were still
trying to make it out. We were we were trying
to make out what we were seeing, which was was
pliced into perspective that he was actually somewhat still in
(53:53):
the shadows, So even if he had made any kind
of body language, it was hard for us to be
able to distinguish what kind it would have. Now the
second my cousin was not one hundred percent sure, so
I would not be able to quote on that.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
Okay, Now, one thing that I will also mention is.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
When you described it right, what it looked like. Did
this thing look more like your average werewolf from like
your typical werewolf movie or did it look like something
that kind of was more like a dog like? Do
you get what I'm saying? Did did it feel more
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had like a K nine like instinct to it versus
what your typical wolf were wolf like would have. The
reason why I asked this is because there's often been
a bit of a misinterpretation and a downsite to the
descriptions of some of these creatures. But I always ask
also too, because you had made mention that you know,
(55:12):
you had one encounter with a possible one of them,
and then there is another one with another one a
little different. So I just wanted to get an idea
on the descriptions of them.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Okay, this is the best way I can be able
to explain it. If you have seen I believe the
movie is I believe the movie is called Soldier.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Dogs Dog Soldiers.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Dog Soldiers. There it is I gotta mix up my
bad no problem, dog Soldiers. If you've watched that movie,
the first encounter that we had, what similarly, what would
have a similarity to one of the werewolves on that
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movie at the end of it, it would have a
litle similarity, which means in the first encounter, we are
not one hundred percent positive, but we know of what
the legs look like. The legs were not straight in
(56:28):
that movie. The legs were not straight. Now the second encounter,
I can tell you from his description if I were to,
if I were to, if I were to look at
some of the pictures that you have on your videos,
(56:50):
I could probably be able to point it out just
based off of this, just based off of the picture
that he the the photographic image in my head that
he painted from me. So any of your pictures, if
I could see, if I could see, like any any
(57:13):
row of pictures that you may have, there is a
very high chance that I can be able to point
out exactly the one thing.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
The only the difficulty, I mean, there's been a lot
of people who've often commented that there have been some
that looked like the dogs from Dog Soldiers. But I
think the difficulty too is that, like a lot of
the photos that we use are specifically stock or PNG photos,
animated photos, So we don't really have a nice idea
besides what we take from reference from Hollywood and also
other fictitious tales. But I asked about descriptions because I
(57:51):
know that a lot of these descriptions there in there
they do tend to have a bearing between K nine
and Wolf. Now, this is one particular question that comes
from another individual that was in our show. Of course,
co host Sense he had to leave, but he had
a question for you, and this is his following question. Now, CJ,
(58:11):
I know that this may have been a bit traumatic experience,
but I wanted to ask you to try it back
and think back when you looked straight ahead and you
had seen this figure in the shadow and creature for
the first time, your first emotion, the response to your
body and mind had and then when did you know
it was something that you had to get away from.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
Well, the first the first thought that comes through my
hand was okay, this is not does not look like
a friendly creature like the stone. Emotion was literally terrify.
(59:01):
I mean, it scared me. I'm not I'm not easy
to scare. It's scared, and yeh, I think the reason
that I would have I think the reason that I
(59:22):
would have reacted the way I did is because usually, yeah,
I would, I would base it off of the instinct
because if you see that there's something you see, if
you see something that you do not think you can overcome,
(59:43):
you try to run and retreat and regroup to think
of another strategy to be able to compact me. But
in this sense, this was run, get to a safe spot,
and do not try anything stupid. So that's that's basically
(01:00:08):
how I look at it. And I don't think I
made a wrong choice in the actions that I did.
I feel bad. I felt bad that I had that
during when the first encounter had taken place, I had
(01:00:29):
actually ran off and left my little cousin. I felt
bad about that. I hugged him later and I told
him I was sorry because in because in in that
first flitch second, you thought instantly every man for himself,
and you were gone and That's how I was. And
(01:00:54):
thinking back to that decision, it really it haunted me
a lot. You just just think that that scream that
I would have if I had lost my book cousin
because of that. There's no way that I could have
lived with myself. And there's nothing that anybody could have
(01:01:17):
done and changed that, because even with me being the
middle child of the three of us, I had the
one I was the one that had the most smart
(01:01:39):
I was the brains out of the three of us.
And it was a foolish thing on my part to
do that. And I'm I and I and I'm willing
to own up to that. That was, like I said,
it was my mistake costed my cousin's life had it
(01:02:05):
had it gotten any closer than it did, because I
don't know it ran, I don't know what it did.
So that was just that's just how I thought about
the situation and how I went about doing it. It
was it was stupid, but at the same time, we
(01:02:34):
we put our hits together, thought of a solution together,
and I was just thinking, my thinking my lucky stars
and my cousin had not been a victim of the
one of these things.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
It's totally understandable. You know, it was a very traumatic experience,
and of course your reaction, you know, it's adrenaline. People
have it. Unfortunately, you know it might not be the
most of nicest because you know, that's like when you're
caught by the police doing something and ultimately your first
instinct is to run, and in this case you saw
(01:03:13):
that and that was your first instinct. But luckily no
one was harmed and in the event it was well bought. Now, unfortunately,
in the case that it led up to the effects
of it, PTSD wise still linger. And you had made
mention that you have not had a day gone by
where you really do not go well, you're not a
(01:03:34):
day go bye. You yourself do not do a lot
of activities out in the woods, whether it's hunting or camping.
Have you yourself though, even though that yes, that this is
something that is more of a personal manner that you
would have to go about. Is there a boat of confidence,
Is there a site that you know, despite what you
(01:03:56):
had seen, that this will turn over you, that the
fear of it may be still there, and the thoughts
might be still there, but you would still have the
thought of freedom and space to go back out and
engage in the wilderness anytime soon or will it never change?
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Well? And then this is this is how I look
at it, and it will only change.
Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
If you choose to change correct.
Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
It is something it is very hard to change, even
under your own willpower. And the reason I say this
is because once you've had one of the one of
these encounters and you've been dealt damaged to your threat,
(01:04:54):
your way of thinking, you have to try to find
somebody who can try to relate. But at the same
time you have to you have to see you have
to make sure that this person isn't going to let
is it going to try to isn't going to try
to break you down or look down on you because
(01:05:16):
they think you said you've seen something that spooks you
so bad again even can't even sleep in mind. No,
you would need to find somebody that you can trust,
that you know you can count on, that you can
talk to. Whether it be your parents, whether it be
your siblings, whether it be your extended family, whether it
(01:05:39):
be your friends, it doesn't matter. As long as you
trust somebody, that person that you trust will be able
to help you regain the confidence that you once lost
because of an encounter of this magnet. And I firmally
(01:06:00):
believe that because I have had a couple of people
in my corner that have helped me, and I'm slowly
getting back into doing things outdoors. Don't get me wrong,
I don't go along. I refuse to go by myself.
I will not go. You can try me all day long,
(01:06:20):
I will not go. So with that being said, it's
always good to have that one person that you can
trust that can help you regain your confidence to do
the things that you once loved to do outside. And
I have tried to do that and I'm steadily working
at it, and it's taking me a long time, as
(01:06:43):
you can see. So it's not something that can easily
be changed. You have to work your way back into it.
So that's just how that's in my vinion. That's how
I look.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
At it, and that's a very good way of looking
at it. It's totally understandable. Before we conclude this show
this evening, Ryan, do you have any closing questions or
any closing thoughts you'd like to deliver for CJ.
Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Actually, you know, one thing that caught me about his
encounter was the straight legged creature that he described, how
certain are you that that was a dog man and
not a type of sasquatch perhaps.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Okay, can you repeat that question?
Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Okay, Yeah, you had said that one of your cousins
had seen a straight legged being with the straight legs,
not the kenine legs. Now, it could be possible that
that was a type of sasquatch that's known to look
like that as well, given the yellow eyeshine. Also, well,
it is, it's kind of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I firmly believe that it could have been that it
could have been either one. I went with dog Man
because the way that he told me, I asked him
if he could smell anything in the air mhm, and
he was getting a familiar spell like what we had
(01:08:20):
actually smelled in the first encounter. So that's what led
me to believe that it was that it was the
possible dog man that he had seen, because I've bought
back at reports and I've heard some encounters from sasquatch,
(01:08:42):
and sasquatch has a real musty odor. So with that
being said, it didn't seem like it would match with
the same type odor that we had smelled at that time,
(01:09:05):
which led me to believe that it would it could
have been a dog man, So I could be wrong,
could be right, but that's what I believe it would
have been, simply due to the fact of the odor
that it was giving off. And he also did say
(01:09:28):
that it had poenty ears too.
Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Oh okay, yeah, that toylet lanes up then, Okay, I
just curdsused about that.
Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Yeah, he said it also had pointed ears, so that
that that really threw it into Okay, this has gotta
be another dog man. So but other than that, I
have heard nothing, and overall I want nothing more to
(01:10:00):
do in these things.
Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
So very good I can understand that, CJ. And that
being said, we're going to conclude the show, folks. Before
we do go, I'm going to say a couple of
closing words and arguments before we go and proceed. CJ.
First and foremost, I want to thank you again for
taking the time out of your schedule to come and
sit down with us talk about your encounters and stories
(01:10:26):
and hopefully these do help folk, whether in the Water
Valley area or in general. And one thing about you, CJ,
and this is something that I had also commented on
when I had read your initial report. The emotions and
the thoughts of how you feel towards this have never
left you traumatically, and even how you've vocalized, you know,
(01:10:47):
the change in life following afterwards, and of course what
happened with your cousins and whatnot, and your emotions and
how you feel about this has been so it could
feel it. I could feel the vibe, the terrifying reaction
that you have. And I have to give you a
lot of credit for taking the bravery to sit here
(01:11:07):
and to talk about this, because this is not a
very easy subject to talk about. Unfortunately, it's a very
complicated subject and one that does leave people thinking and
traumatized because of the circumstances. But I wanted to say
that you're a very brave individual for coming out and
discussing this, because it's not every day that we can
get this type of discussion, and hearing it from you
(01:11:31):
from your own perspective, it's even more uplift int to
feel because of how hard it was, So you should
feel very proud to at least open about it. To
take a deep breath and note that it's said, it's
never left, however, but it's out there.
Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Well. I appreciate you having me on Chris, and I
want to say that it's not easy to talk about
something like this, and even at my even with me
at the age that I am, it still hurts. And
I may not show it. I don't know how, I
don't know if y'all can be able to tell it.
(01:12:15):
But it's got me unnerved. It's still it's still gonna
have be unnerved for a while. But I'm just glad
that I could be able to get my story out,
to be able to give a better perspective on not
only from one side, but both sides. And I just
hope that anybody that here's this understands what I say,
(01:12:41):
do not look for these things
Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
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