TVF - EP 4 - The American Cryptid Paranormal Society

Tonight, Christian and Daniel from the American Cryptid Paranormal Society come on the show to talk about the mysterious sightings happening in Tennessee involving Bigfoots, Dogman, and so much more legends and lore throughout the southern US. 

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Christian and Daniel, welcome guys. Hey, you guys doing great man, Thanks,
how are you doing. We're doing fantastic. I'm really glad
to have you guys back on the show. Daniel, I
know last time we had you on it was very brief.
I was doing a livestream with Christian, but it's great
to have you here as well. I want to thank
you guys both for taking the time out of your
schedules to do in the show.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well thanks for having me back. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
I felt kind of bad about such a short amount
of time last time, but you know, busy, busy, busy.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
That's totally understandable. We all have personal lives and we
all have things to accommodate too. But since we last spoke,
because it has been a very it's been a long
it's been a while, it's been almost a half a year.
What has been the recent update with everything in your
research organization?

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Well, for me personally, I've only managed to get one
investigation in that was in Virginia, the Nickerson sneed House.
But with COVID the way it is, and I've been
working seven days a week, so it's kind of kind
of slacked off, but I'm ready to start picking back up.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
I'm about to say, man, I've been I've been getting reports,
I'm getting phone calls and emails. It's just with this
whole COVID thing, it's just start to investigate. So we're
very much looking forward to this little episode to end
so we can get back out there and get the
investigations done.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I understand. I mean with COVID it has been
a huge impact in the crypto community, and with the
recent investigations, it has been pretty challenging considering the circumstances
in each state with restriction. But one thing that we
are very good at speaking with is when it comes
to cryptids as a whole. Now, one of the things

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that fascinates me about talking with researchers who are boots
on the ground is when it comes to tactics when investigation.
What are you guys, How do you guys go about investigations?
What is some of the perks that you guys incorporate
into your research that goes about your investigation.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
You want to go first on this one, Daniel, Yeah,
go ahead. We do an unbelievable amount of research on
the property or the area first. That's one of the
first things we do. We want to find out what's
been there, how long it's been there, what was there
prior to that. We also look in the fact were
there any other issues on the property, and we go

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back as far as possible. I think we did one area.
We went back to seventeen sixty for property rights and
then people who live there and things that happened there.
So I think that's a very very helpful thing to do.
It's better to know the background of an area and
that way you have an idea what's been going on,

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and then just to go in there and just look
around and say, oh, this is new, this is new,
this is new. That the activity you might be having
could be old, you know, it could be you know,
part of a migration period. We just don't know. But
when you when you do a little research, it gives
you quite a leg up.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
You know, when we when we hit the area too,
one of the things we like to do is bring
an offering of some sort just to show goodwill. And
you know, faith of intent I think helps a lot.
You know, any any animal, I mean, you know, look
at your dogs for instance, they know when somebody comes

(04:39):
in their area with ill intent. So you want to
be careful of that. And when you walk into a
cryptids home space there their living room, so to speak,
you want to walk in with the proper intent.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
How often is it that when you go into certain
territories do these creatures start messing with you?

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Well, I think that's that's a good question. I think
it depends on what you're doing, like if you're gonna
annoy him, or if you're going in disrespectful, or if
they sense that there's an issue, it's probably right away.
I think what they do is they give you a
little bit of lax time to see what you're going
to do. And if you don't annoy them, if you're
not bothering them, and you're respectful to the area and

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the cryptoms themselves, they probably won't bother you. But it's
usually when something annoys them that they get a little
more upity and there's a problem that follows after that.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
I think too, if they're if they're feeding, they're hungry,
you know, things like that. You know, I had I
had an experience at work two weeks ago, if you
can believe it, in an area that I wouldn't have expected,
where he took a goat. He took a goat for lunch,

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and it was on afected and in a relatively populated area.
So I just it's very dependent, I think on a
lot of different factors.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
You talk about things that might annoy them, What are
some things that you think would annoy them?

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Exactly well, going in being loud, being disrespectful. You know,
maybe you know tiny is right. You know that there
could have been hunting, they could have been looking for
dinner and you could have disrupted their hunt. They could
have little ones around, you know, being disrespectful. It could
be anything, you know, just being loud, being obnoxious, maybe littering.

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I mean, I've heard I've heard of people leaving garbage there,
and then you know, these these creatures will throw their
garbage at them, So, I mean it depends. You know,
the truth of the matter is, we don't know what's
going to set them off. We just don't know. But
I think just being polite. I know it sounds a
little corny, but just being polite and respectful the whole
time you're in the forest or in the woods, or

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any time you're investigating anything, either crypt it or paranormal.
I think that's just a smart thing to do, is
just always be polite and respectful. And whether you're dealing
with a paranormal entity or crypt it, I think they
pick up on that. And I also think that if
you're more respectful and polite, they might realize that you're
not there to do them any harm. I think the
biggest problem a lot of people have is, you know,

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they hear something, the first thing they do is grab
a gun or they point it, and you know, we
both go in. Every time we do an investigation, we're armed,
but that's for our own protection. That's not you know,
we're not going to looking to hunt anything down to
bring it in. That's just for protection event for anything.
Could be a bear, could be a snake, it could

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be for anything. But I also think they know what
the intent is and I think that is one of
the reasons why we have a pretty successful investigations and
we usually come up with something.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think it's extremely easy to take off one of
these creatures. I actually spoke to a witness who had
an encounter with bigfoot in Ontario and very notorious hotspot
for bigfoot encounters, and they mentioned how they were just
in a certain part of the area and it's not
like they came off intimidating or provoking, but it just

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this creature. What they saw, it sent them off to
an extent that it kicked them out of the area.
And it's very simple for some of these creatures. I
believe these creatures, whether it's bigfoots, dogmen, or any other
cryptid out there that operates in pairs. I do believe
that they do have emotions and feelings as well as
also they can work on their own. How do you
guys feel about that? Do you feel that, like the

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bigfoots and dogmen are in general, any cryptis out there,
is it hard for them to live in harmony as
a pair or a pack in comparison to being a
solo animal that goes rogue or just chooses to be
a lone wolf.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I personally think that it would be more more difficult
in the fact that you have to have a pecking order.
I think even with humans at our basis, we still
have to have that pecking order. We still have to
have the alphas and the betas and things like that,
and that makes life more difficult. When you're out here,

(09:23):
you're free range by yourself, you know, uh, myself. For example,
I've I've been single now for a couple of years,
and it's much easier just by myself. You know, my friends.
I've got good friends, and within that area, you know,
we kind of have that pecking order. But after we

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spend that quality time, we separate and here at home,
I'm the alpha, I do what I want. It makes
life a lot easier, and I think that would carry
over into the family style of a squa watch or
any other kind of pack animal. I mean really, if
you think about it, humans or pack animals too. So

(10:09):
I think absolutely it carries over and it would be
more difficult to live in a societal kind of cohesion
like that. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
I mean I agree a part of that, but I
think for like the males, I think, you know, if
you've got an alpha male and he's got a troop
or you know, a tribe for lack of a better words,
you know, he we're all social creatures. We don't want
to be left alone, and you know, he could be
living the high life. You know, he could have you know,
three or four other creatures taking care of him and

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his needs and wants, and you know, I think some
of the times when you have like these rogue males,
it's that they ever been there, deposed by age, or
they're just young starting out and they're looking to form
their own tribe or pack, if you will. So I
think that they are social creatures, but I think there's
a hierarchy that had to be followed. It kind of
keeps the law and order in their social structure, if

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you will. So. I think it's a little column, may
little column be if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I agree with both of your guys' perspectives and standpoints
on it. I personally have to say this too. I
think it's so much easier living alone. I personally be
your own boss. That to me, no interruption, No, you
can do whatever you want. That that is the best style,
right there, Dan, I totally admire that. And furthermore, I

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think when it comes to these creatures, there is a
limit with things. I do think that juveniles are. And
this is just my opinion, and I'd love to hear
what you guys think too. In my opinion, I believe
that at least half of these encounters we receive in
which they're either an intimidating game or one of which
that is very well detailed discussing behavior I think are juveniles.

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What do you guys think about that?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I mean, I would definitely agree with that. I mean
a lot of other researchers I've always talked to all
the problems or the harassment type scenarios and things of
that nature, like rocks being thrown the house being looked
at through windows. They usually tend to be the juvenile,
and I think, you know that they probably just grow
up kind of the way humans do, and you know,

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they've got shenanigans at foot, and I think maybe they
just like climbing around and sometimes they take things too far.
But I think definitely, probably most of the problems are
from juveniles. I think the adults are smart enough to
stay away. You know, they've been around longer. They understand how,
you know, we as humans work. They understand that if

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they harass us enough, then the fire sticks are gonna
come out, and then it's not good for anybody. So
I think they understand that, and I think the younger
ones kind of just do what they do and they
get away with as much as they can until mom
or dad says, all right, enough of that and that's it.
And I've actually heard of events where people are being

(13:05):
followed or you know, little pebbles or something being thrown
at them, and they'll see something in the shadows and
then they'll see something much bigger behind that, and they'll
hear like a growl or a whoop or some kind
of you know, samurai chatter and it sounds like, you know,
to them, it sounds like someone's being scolded. So I

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think what happens is, I think, you know, out of side,
out of mind. If mom and dad around, I'm going
to play a little and they'll just push it to
the limit and then you know, they get called on
the carpet, just like you know, a human adolescent would.
What do you think.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
I don't really have a lot to add to that, honestly.
I mean, I've personally believed that the familial groups of
squatch and probably dog man run really parallel to those
of us as humans.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I think that we have a lot more in common.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
With the species and we want to believe and I
think they're more intelligent than we give them credit for.
And that being said, like you said, it probably parallels
us in the fact that you've got hoodlum teenagers out
there that are curious and want to push limits, and
you know, Mom, dad, aunt whatever out here. It smake

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them in the back of the head and once a
while and say, you know, calm down. But yeah, I
don't Other than that, I don't have a whole lot
Dad to that, I agree.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
I mean it just to me, it makes sense simply
because you'll see that in the animal kingdom. I mean,
you'll see that with bears, You'll see with lions, you know,
any any type of mammal that has a parental unit
there to teach them how to be that specific mammal
they always had there. You know, everyone's got to learn
the rules, and the rules for us are different that

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they are for them, but some of them kind of correspond.
So I think, you know, it's their way of learning
how to live and how to do what they do,
and the rules they have to live by to survive
and stay hidden.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
How many times have you seen a gorilla a silver
back get intervene in fight between either the females or
the males, the young juveniles the same.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
I just saw a video on that, like two days ago.
I was just watching a video on that. It's like daddy,
and then you find out that the two juveniles are
like brother and their brothers and their rucus woke up
the old man and he had to come down and
dispense justice, and that'sactly what he did. Then he went
back to bed and they were fine. So, I mean,
you know, it's it's kind of like a universal law.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's even more funnier when that relates to real life.
I mean, personally, I have nieces and nephews. I don't
have actual kids, but I'm sure for you guys if
you do have children, you know, it's like the same
rule of lall right there, when your parents asleep and
there's a bunch of commotions, you just yell knock it
off and everybody goes back to normal, except that we're
not like the gorilla's gonna rip the kid's head off.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
The parents aren't interested in justice. They just want peace.
That's why I look at it.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I agree with that, I do. I second that. I
want to ask you this though, because something that caught
my attention a while back when I had received an
interesting report from a woman who was with a group
of a group of teenager friends and they were out
in the wood smoking cigarettes, and long story short, they

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happened to encounter this bigfoot. But it didn't do anything crazy.
All it did was it was observing them, and then
when the one friend noticed it, it turned its head,
and then they turned their heads and they saw it,
and then it ran away. The reason why I bring
this up is, do you believe that these creatures specialize
with fear. Does fear a tribute to them or do
you feel that they just don't want to be seen.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'll be honest with you. I mean, you know, the
dog Man's got a bad reputation as a crypti that
likes to scare people. You know, someone a long time
ago gave him the name the crypto terrorist. I always
kind of like that. I always thought it kind of cool.
But I'd say, I think it makes them laugh. I mean,
I think these creatures are intelligent enough to have a

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sense of humor. I talked to a very good friend
of mine, he's been a researcher for forty five plus years,
and he said he's heard them laugh. He said he
has heard them just crack up out loud laugh when
something is funny to them. So I think they have
a sense of humor. But I also think they enjoy
the power they have over someone when they scare them.

(17:38):
So I think, you know, again, I think that's more
a Sinocephale kind of tribute. I think they really I think,
personally dog Man or Sinocephala, I think they enjoy scaring people.
I think it makes them I think it just I
think it's something they just enjoy to do, enjoy doing.
I think bigfoot is probably a little bit different. I

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think they enjoy messing with people. That's probably why you'll
get like small rocks and pebbles thrown at them, or
you'll hear or people hear whoops, or they'll pace people out.
I think they you know, they probably think that's funny
to an extent. But i'd say, you know, as far
as like scaring people, I would definitely say that the
Sino cephale or the dog man is probably more characterized

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in that particular realm or arena.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Well, and if you think about it too, when you
watch monkeys, you watch great apes, they they have that
kind of sense of humor too.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Or they'll you know, they'll pick at you.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Until they get a response and then they'll go laugh
at you. You know, it makes sense and a level
of intelligence that I think a bigfoot has the most. Definitely,
they enjoy picking, they enjoy prodding, but I think a
lot of it's out of curiosity. You know, the best
way to learn about something or somebody is to kind
of poke it and proud it and see how it reacts.

(18:57):
I'm think in a lot of ways that's what they're doing.
But I'm sure, I'm sure it's funny. I'm sure they
have loads of fun with it's out in the woods
as far as you know, enjoying the thrill of the
scare of I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I don't know. I don't have a thought on that one.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
Well, you know, and it's one of those things you
just don't know, you know, you just there's never enough
proof or evidence, or you get one with a sense
of humor things it's funny, and you know, maybe one
hundred don't. So it's a good question. But I think,
I honestly think from I've had a lot of stories
where you know, you know, Sephally has just terrorized a family.

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You know, they'll stand in the window, they'll show their teeth,
they like, drag their hands down the glass, things like that.
And the strength of these creatures, they could literally rip
the wall off pretty much and come in if they
wanted to. So there's that that line they're skirting is
it's just messing with people to scare them because you
think it's funny, or you really mean to do them harm.
And if I think they meant to do them harm,

(20:02):
there'd be a whole lot more issues than what we
hear of. What we hear of.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I have to agree, I think you know the big
thing with the specially as you said in dogmen, you know,
we have this situation where they're always common with scaring people.
It seems to be a fascination. And then of course
when we're dealing with bigfoots, the same thing we relate
to the juveniles. But see, one of the things that
intrigues me the most about when it comes to their

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behavior is the fact that they do come off as
if it was a normal gorilla or a normal monkey. Daniel,
you mentioned how the biology of the the mammals like
gorillas and monkeys and stuff, how they operate, and how
it's so similar even with the bigfoots and dogmen. Why

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do you feel that these creatures, in the way they
act and behave, is it almost as if these treatures
are actually just regular natural animals and not these abnormal
looking creatures or well not abnormal looking but abnormal behavior
like creatures, because they do participate in things that are

(21:14):
very much so freaky.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, I think that, and especially when you talk about
you know, sasquatch, big put you know the history has
been there for so long.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I think they are natural.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
I think they we're here probably long before we were.
And you know, humans as a species, we're young, and
we have accounts of big footing, you know, in cave drawings.
So I think, yeah, they're probably natural. I think the

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dogmen are a little less natural though, And I think
that you know, like Christian say, and you rarely hear
of an attack, but of course if you you know
some if one did attack, you're probably not going to
live to tell about it. But it's always let scare
this person, And that to me, that calls forth a

(22:20):
little bit higher level of intelligence. That's a little bit
less natural to me.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
I mean, that's a good point, too tiny, because it's
one of those things where it is, you know, you
hear reports of sasquatch or bigfoot like attack and a
cabin or things like that. But they'll do it with
like brute force. In other words, they'll bang on the wall,
they'll bang on the door, they'll slap the side of
the house, they'll throw rocks, they'll do things like that.
Now I've also heard of them standing in windows and

(22:51):
you know, staring at people while they sleep. But it's
you know, if you look at some of the reports,
there's like they're making you know, faces at kids, They're
trying to make them smile, They're trying to get him
a laugh. I don't know if that's for a nefarious
purpose or they're just trying to make them laugh because
they enjoy you know, kids. I don't know. But you
never really hear anything like that from a dog I mean,

(23:11):
if there's a dog man encounter, it's either trying to
dig out the foundation to go in that way. It's
on the roof trying to you know, clow its way
through the roof, or it's you know, at a window
just staring at people and you know, scaring the Bejesus
out of them, you know, starling up the window, breaking

(23:34):
its hands down. I took a report once not too
long ago, well maybe a year and a half ago,
where the witness said that the dog man had one
hand on a shutter and was feeling it and it
didn't like the way it felt, so it went up

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and just raked it on the other side and did
it while I was just staring at the purse. And
it didn't make any sense for that person why he
would do that, and the fact he was just trying
to overtly scare him, or he just didn't like the
way the shutter felt. I mean, I don't know. It's
just one of those things where until we actually get
bona fide research and look into how they socially react

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with other people or obviously with other animals or themselves
and their own social structure, I don't think we're gonna know.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Well, and you know that's something else Christian you talked about.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
We don't know through social structure within their own tribal units.
So what we may take is threatening posture. They may be,
you know, smiling and trying to make us laugh. We
don't know. We just take it as it's scary because

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they're twelve feet tall and you know, nine thousand pounds.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean that's again, and that's the thing I like, Oh,
you know, we're very honest about what we research. We
put everything we get, we put out on the on
the pet web page. You know, we don't say this
is definitive, definitely this, this, this is possibly this, this
is possible that uh And I just always like to
reiterate there is no such thing as a cryptied expert.

(25:18):
There's no such thing as a paranormal expert. There's no
such thing as a ghost expert. All right, we are
all studying the same things, looking for the same answers.
So when when someone says, oh, they're an expert in
this or an expert in that, who gave you the
qualification of expert? Where did you obtain Where did you
go to school for that? You know? That's what I

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always like saying to someone that says they're an expert
in the field. So we look at all the information
we know and we've collected over the years, and we
just kind of compartmentalize it and if we hear of
a new behavior, that's great, we'll put it over here
with the other the reports. But nine times out of ten,
it's a behavior of a cryptid that we've heard before. Again,

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you know, staring in the windows. How many times have
we taken a staring in their windows report? Daniel, I mean,
it's that's just that's probably one of the most common.
Or again, slapping the side of a house, that is
a common behavior. I think everyone that's done any bit
of crypt investigation, one of the first things they'll hear
is something was slapping the house. We thought it was

(26:22):
something different, but now we're thinking maybe it was a
sasquatch or a bigfoot or possibly a seno supply. But
there's always some of the same determined behaviors that that
kind of go through the species. Bigfoot will slap a house,
dog Man will slap a house. Bigfoot will get on
a roof. Dog Man will get on a roof. Their
motives might be different, but their actions are both the same.

(26:45):
So I think that gets confusing, and I think that's
why people think that, you know, maybe they were genetically
engineered from the same thing. Blah blah blah. You know again,
we just don't know. Maybe they're just really good at climbing,
you know, and they can get up place as we can.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
But you know, you talk about sasquatch too, and you
rarely hear about an attack that's truly nefarious. Most of
it's more intimidation, you know, like throwing the rocks at
a house. It's like, you know, come on, we're here,
you need to leave when you know these things are
strong enough, large enough, like you said, to pull a

(27:22):
wall down. You know, as a child, I had one
breathing in the window looking at my mom my dad.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
When he got up to take off.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
It ran. There's no reason for something that size and
that strength to run from a human other than you know,
it knows what guns are.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
But still there's no real reason.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
So it's like, I just don't feel like there's nefarious
as some people think. I think obviously some can be,
but as a as a whole, I don't think they are.
It's more intimidation. It's more like poking prademance. See what
happens now, agree, I mean.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
It's I think a lot of the the big Foot encounters. Again,
I think it goes down to what they deem is,
you know, rude or disrespectful. You know, if they're hunting
and you go interrupt their dinner, they're not going to
be happy.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
If if they're kids are around and you're armed and
you look like you're about to shoot something, you know
they're not going to be happy with that either, you know.
Or if if they've got, uh, you know, a couple
of watchers out by the rest of the you know,
tribe sleeps, and you're getting close to where they are,
then you know that that's going to cause a problem.

(28:39):
So I again I think it just reverts to you know,
it's it's it's one of those things where the situation
is going to be dictated by the circumstances that provoke
the creatures. And if again, if if, like when Daniel
and I go into a place, when we do a
when we research something we going to investigate, we both

(29:01):
go in as cryptid researchers and paranormal investigators. Because you know,
Daniel made this comment about when we go in we
go in with offerings.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
We do.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
We go in with offerings first, and we place it down.
We basically say, hey, we're here just to observe. We
don't want any problems. If there's a problem, he wants
to leave, just let us know, we'll leave and that'll
be the end of it. And we do that before we
do pretty much any investigation, and we look at things.
I think that's one of the reasons why we're able

(29:32):
to help so many people, is because we look at
things both from a cryptied point of view and a
paranormal point of view, because sometimes people get one thing
confused with another. But I think if you go in
with the right headspace, I think that these creatures know that. Again,
it all goes back to something I think most animals know,
and I think Daniel and I have talked about this,

(29:53):
I don't know how many hundreds of times, but creatures, animals, cryptids,
most animals know know what intent is. I mean, I
think you can agree with that, right.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Tiny, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
I mean, you know, your household dog proves that. You know,
if somebody walks in my yard and my dog don't
work him, you need to step out of my yard
because there's something wrong with you. It's just you know,
for me, it's that simple. And I've seen it with cats,
I've seen it with other animals. I had a lizard
that I would trust more than I would trust some people.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
There's some people it would.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Run to and others it would run away from. And
I mean, you know they know.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Well, I mean, and animals, like I said, and you know,
it's funny because I've seen squirrels run up and climb
up Tiny's leg. You know it will be on the
way and they just you know, like animals are attracted
to them. He just he has that or about them,
like they're not scared of them. And I think if
you can portray that during your crypti investigation or so,
I like to call it being a cryptid detective, then

(30:53):
you probably won't have a violent encounter. I'm not saying
you won't one hundred percent of time. I mean there's
a few times I've had some nasty stuff happened and
I had the best of intentions and that did not
work out so well. I guess I did not uh
put that forth enough. But you know, it's just one
of those things where I just you just have to
go in with a positive attitude, you know, on a

(31:14):
great mindset, because again, I think they know when people
are scared, you know, and if you go in and
you get scared, I think if you're scared during investigation one,
that's very normal, but too you have to learn how
to control that because if you're scared, you're gonna do
something stupid. You know, you might just pull that gun.
You might just take a pop shot at something. Well,

(31:35):
it might not be a big foot, it could be
something someone else. I mean, it could be a person,
it could be you know, you could put yourself in
a very precarious situation. That's why it's you always have
to be able to think quick, you know, you have
to be able to think on your feet. And I
think that's a big problem with a lot of new
investigators is they don't think like that. They think, oh,

(31:56):
we're gonna get this, we're gonna do that, or you know,
nothing's gonna scare me. That's all finding Danny until you
run into something. And that's usually when the screaming, the crying,
and the running starts. So when you can avoid the screaming,
the crying, and the running and keep your head about you,
I think that's when you actually get the real work done.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
We don't have two things there to that, Christian one,
and you can't be letting everybody know that I'm actually
in real life a Disney princess. Just don't work for
the the I know Creed, but you know too.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
I honestly just forgot what too was. I'm sorry. I went.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
One was good enough. Yeah, I have to figure one.
So it's okay Disney, you know, more like the Frozen
whatever the Frozen princess name was. That's that's what Tiny's
like in the woods.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Would you be all off, though, Christian, that's the question.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Snowman maybe the snowman, you know, the dancing snowman.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
You know, I'm I'm I'm known to cut a rug, Chris,
I'm not afraid I can work it. I've seen flashdands.
I know what to do.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
That's yeah. No, I mean I believe in you, and
that's that's another good thing too, is that. What I
love about what you guys talk about here is the
idea about how everything that you touch base on is
something that is not really explored with new research. It's
almost as if the perks are just thrown out the

(33:31):
chart when you talk about how there's people that just
take it in for what it is, and then you
go and you actually try to go out and research
and it's like, well, this guy has so much information
and it seems to make sense. I bought his book,
but it doesn't mean that he's right. That's such a help.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
You're a hundred percent right, you are hump share Just
you know, Chris, just because someone writes a book doesn't
know doesn't mean they know exactly everything that needs to know.
They everything that needs to be known, doesn't mean they
know that. And you're a hundercent right. I you know,
if people saw Daniel out in the woods, like like

(34:11):
I'm talking about the deep forest, I'm talking about seven
eight miles from a road. They would be amazed at
how calm and how acclimated is in that pacific, in
that specific setting. I try to remain that calm, but
I'm always a little bit more alert. But Daniel's got
that ability to just be completely calm and very stove
throughout the whole thing. I do my best, but again,

(34:33):
most of the time, my head's on a swivel. But
you know, I don't have the ability that I know
when trouble's coming, but Daniel knows where it's coming from
and when it's going to happen. Does that make sense?
So when you have a partner or some of your
research or investigate with that has that ability, it kind
of gives you that advantage because if Daniel says to me, hey,

(34:54):
there's a problem, then I know we got a problem.
If you know the back of my hair on the
back of my neck starts standing up, I know there's
some there's some kind of issue. Where are they're gonna
get thrown something? I get thrown out, We're gonnaet yelled
at something's gonna growl at us something. But you can't
put that in a book. You can you can write
about it in a book, but you can't give instructions
on how to do that. That just comes from Daniel

(35:16):
having that ability naturally and me just spending you know,
just so much time you know, in the forest, as
as you know, as a young man, and all throughout
my twenty five years of cryptid research. So you just
can't transpose that in a book. That's just raw experience.
You can tell people about it, you can write about it,

(35:37):
but that doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna pick up what
you're trying to put down. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
That makes a lot of sense, And I'm glad that
you also mentioned that too, because I think one of
the biggest problems when it comes down to measuring out
basic information is it's very simple for information to be misinformed,
and it's so easy for somebody to take a piece
of information that gradually may or may not make sense

(36:04):
and put it out there, and then it will just
make people even more confused than actually intrigued. And the
problem I also think is is that one of the
reasons why I haven't released a book yet, or why
I even haven't even explored the possibility of discussing cryptids
and books. Besides writing small articles about them. Is because
I just know that my information necessarily is not accurate.

(36:27):
I know that because I am not an expert as
much as the rest who aren't experts, And that's just
a fact we've touched based on this.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Right.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
But see now again, you know I personally, I am
writing a book. I've been writing a book, but it's
it's not how to be a cryptid detective. It's just
kind of the things that I've done over the years
and the cryptids that I have investigated and run into
and had experiences with. At no time do I go
out and tell someone how to do something that's not

(37:00):
my place. I can give you some suggestions, but it's
one of those things. If you really want to be
a cryptodetective and you want to go out there and
you want to go, for lack of a better term, squatching,
then that's something you're you're going to have to pick
that up on your own. You're going to have to
just do it and find out what works for you,
what works for me, what works for Daniel, what works
for you might not work for someone else. And if

(37:23):
we're looking for Bigfoot and we went into a sinocephally,
what did we do that ran bigfoot off and brought
this in. So it's it's one of those if that
then you know, it's like an equation, what do you
do then? Now there's been several times when you know,
we've been looking for a big hairy friend and you
know we've run into a sinocephly And to this day,

(37:44):
I'm still completely befuddled on how that happened. So they
were either in the same area at the same time,
which you know, totally in the realm of possibility. Again,
we've heard reports about people seeing them actually work together.
I heard a podcast not too long ago, and it
was from a very someone I consider credible, where the

(38:06):
witness stated that there was about a nine to ten
foot type one bigfoot male, big alpha male. The guy
said he may maybe five and a half six feet
across the show. This thing must have been massive. He
was in a tree stand and this dog man comes
running out of nowhere, sits down next to him, and

(38:28):
he starts petting this thing on the head like a dog.
Now someone's imagination. Whether that really happened, I don't know.
I wasn't there, and the person who I heard this from,
or the show I heard this from I trust them.
I mean, they do a pretty good job of vetting people.
But that's an example of something that we don't hear
a whole lot of now. I know there has been

(38:51):
other stories about people seeing dog Man and Bigfoot work
together hunting things like that, But again, what's fiction and
what's reality And that's the hard part to kind of
to separate the tool that to separate the two, because
there's so many stories out there now, and some of
them they're great stories, but they're complete fiction. So you know,

(39:13):
as a crypti detective, it makes it harder and harder.
When you get some really good stories and people do
the research and they do a lot of listening to
the podcasts and they pick up these little minute details
and they incorporate them in their stories, it becomes harder
and harder to disassociate the fact and the fiction. So
it's just another issue that we as crypti detectives have

(39:36):
to face.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
And you know, one thing too, if I may back
up just a hair, no pun intended. One of the
things you know, well, Christine, you mentioned young investigators, and
I mean young in the sense that they've not been
investigating long.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
Yeah, I'm not talking about age. I'm just talking about.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Like you know, a new b but you think, and
I can say this from experience. You know, when you
start investigating, you have the desire to go out here
and look.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Bigfoot in the eye.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
And I still want to do that. I want to
do that so bad. I've had experiences. I know they're real,
but I've never looked on any eye and I want
to do that.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Now.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
When that happens, How am I going to react?

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
I want to think that I'm going to walk over
and try and shake his hand, or you know, introduce
myself and you know, be brave and you know, make
a connection with Bigfoot. In reality, it's entirely possible I
may freeze and peel down my leg And you have

(40:49):
to think about that when you're actually out here, boots
on the ground, doing this. And that goes for any
topic an investigation, whether it's you know, eufology, ghoest, Bigfoot, whatever.
When you actually run into what you're looking for, you
need to mentally prepare yourself before it ever happens, because

(41:10):
you don't know how you're going to react. It will,
I guarantee you change your life, but how you're going
to react is going to dictate that encounter.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
And I think about that, You're on a.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Hundred percent right and people talk about that all the time.
Tiny you know, I saw this creature. It moved and
stared at me. I thought I was going to die.
You know I could. I don't know if I was breathing,
you know. I Then you hear the people about, you know, maturating,
peeing themselves, having a charming moment, things like that, to
quote the Great Big Fundiff. You know, I think there's

(41:43):
probably people out there that have had a lot more
charming moments than they're being honest about because it makes
them look weak. But the truth of the matter is,
you don't know how you're going to react. And when
you hear these stories of oh, I saw this thing
and I drove it down and I shot it in
the face and blah blah blahlah. You know what, I
gotta be honest with you that nine times out of

(42:03):
ten when I hear stories like that, I don't I
don't buy it. I don't buy it. And here's why.
One that's basically murder. Why would you just murder something?
And two most of the time these guys don't run alone.
So if you shoot one, there's probably three or four
behind you you didn't notice, and you're probably, if that's
a true scenario, you're not going to get out of

(42:24):
there alive. There's just no way. So I think Daniels
one hundred percent right. You have to mentally prepare yourself.
And if you think you know you're gonna be able
to sit there and you know, take a bead down
on one of these creatures, you know, and shoot it
and bring the body in and become, you know, the
next Bob Gimlin or whatever. It's not gonna happen. I

(42:45):
think we can all agree that there is no way
on God's green earth you will ever get a body
out of the woods. Would anyone care to refute my
thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
I don't think so, and I think for various reasons
that wouldn't happen. But you know, there there, I'm sure
there are people out there that are still willed enough
to hold their composure, but I don't think they're going
to act in a way that they would think they
would act even if they were able to hold their composure.
I think that that the for lack of a better

(43:23):
way of saying that I think the majesty of seeing
one of these things, and I'm talking about Bigfoot specifically.
I think dog Man's a different topic, but the majesty
of actually looking one of these things in the eye
would would change your perspective. And that's also me trying
to give a lot of credit to the human race.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Well, I know, I think I think that's well founded, Daniel,
And simply because you don't know how you're going to react.
You know, I've heard stories where people are they've got
a gun barrel and that they're staring They're staring down
this thing from a scope and they look at this
thing and they're saying, this thing can see them, and
then they look into the eyes they're like it just

(44:07):
it was too human. It was too much like a human.
I couldn't do it, or I felt like, you know
what am I doing? Or they just have a complete
change of heart. So you're one hundred percent right, people
aren't going to react the way they think they're going
to react. You can train, you can do this, you
can do that. The truth of the matter is, until
that happens, you don't know how you're going to react.
And you know, Daniel's always good for saying, you know,

(44:29):
I'm gonna go humping pet one on the head. Just
make sure you're videotaping it and see what happens, you know.
But I can see Daniel doing that, So I mean,
it's just one of those things. Until we get the opportunity,
we're not going to know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
No, I mean the idea is very simple. I think
anybody out there who has the balls to try and
want to shoot one of these things, I often question
their mental prosperity because, quite personally, what really intrigues me
about people, and I get this a lot in social media,
is that they feel threatened by these creatures, whether it's

(45:07):
bigfoots or dogmen, and the dogmen especially, I could see
why people would be intimidated a bit by a dogmen
versus a bigfoot, because I mean, if the dog man
is going to demonstrate how to kill its chicken in
front of you, I mean, personally, it's a very good
example of a creature you don't want to mess with.
But for the sake of how rabid and how vicious
it looks, and going off of the book of judging

(45:28):
a book by its cover, it's very easy for somebody
whether it is on a farm or if it is
in the backyard of of their house, that they want
to get a gun and want to shoot something because
they want to defend their property. Do you think that,
in the sense of defense that their mentalities go up
a bit because they're trying to get an idea on

(45:50):
what they're looking at, because they don't probably think that
this thing is a bear they think it's or do
you think maybe they think that these things might be
miss be like bears, and that it's like almost like
a natural instinct to defend.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
Well, you know, this is like, I don't want to
sound like a hypocrite, but the truth of the matters.
If you've got, you know, a family that's that's running
a farm and this is their sole you know, income,
and you've got some creatures that are just you know,
taking easy pickings and costing these people money. And my opinion,
again this is just my opinion, I think they have

(46:26):
every right to defend their property and their you know,
and their livelihood. So if that means they got to
take a couple of pop shots, it's one of these things,
that's fine. But I don't think for one second, you know,
farmers are not yokels. They are very intelligent people. They
are close to the earth, they know what's going on.
They've seen, you know, as someone that's been farming for

(46:47):
a long time, they've pretty much seen it all that
nature has to offer. And it's my again, just from
the people I've encountered that you know, I would you know,
you could call in the agricultural feels, older farmers if
they believe in cryptids, they believe one hundred percent because
their grandfather told them they were real. Their great grandfather

(47:09):
told them they were real, and they hear about the
family experiences with them, and you know that they were
either boogers, wood boogers or you know, haints something you know,
and they've been dealing with them their whole lives. So
I think it's just one of those things where again
I'm not trying to sound hypocritical, but if if one
of these cryptids is basically, you know, stealing a livelihood

(47:30):
and you know, taking food out of a family's mouth,
and I think you have every right to defend yourself.
But I don't think for one second they're having a misidentification.
I think they know exactly what it is. But I
also think they know how to deal with them, because
if they know what they are, that means they probably
had to deal with them at some point in the past,
or their dad or their granddad or grandma or great

(47:53):
grandma had to do with that. Does that make sense.
So there's a family history on dealing with these cryptids
that I'm sure they're are pretty much involved in at
some point in their lives.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Daniel, do you have anything to add on to that?

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Not really, I mean I agree that there's definitely less
misidentification than what certain people want you to believe. In
regards to dog Man, I can definitely see how people
will be more immediately threatened just because of the way

(48:34):
he looks. I mean, you know, he's described as a
overly muscular werewolf that would scare anybody and that would
trigger the flight or flight response, and you know, typically
it's it's defend and save your own high end. I
think the difference with dog Man and Bigfoot is is
Bigfoot's more uh humanistic. But when you're when you're talking

(48:59):
about protecting your your home, your crops, your livelihood, Yeah,
I mean I can definitely understand it. But in most
of those cases, when you hear reports to that a
bigfoot will only take a certain portion and leave a
certain portion.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
It's like they're sharing.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
It's like, Okay, I'm gonna take this because you're you're
here and I'm allowing you to be here, so this
is my pavement. But here I'm gonna leave you enough
for yourself too. And I think it's it's all about
a mutual habitation in those instances.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Now I agree with you. I think you're I think
you're right. I mean you talk to some of these
like old old farmers that have been farming their whole lives,
and they're like fourth or fifth generation farmers. I spoke
to a guy and he told him point blank to
this day, he still plants two gardens in spring. He
plants one by the woodline for the buggers. It's a
booger garden, and then he plants his not too far away.

(49:58):
And you know the book. They they take what they
want and they usually leave his stuff alone. So I mean, again,
it's about adaptation. I think you're right. You gotta you know,
it's got to be parsimonious. You know, if if you
can find a way to live with these creatures, then
do it. But I don't think again, defending yourself and
your property and your family. That's one thing, and that's

(50:19):
I'm talking about, Like when there's no other choice, these
things are knocking on your door, they're killing your livestock.
That's that's the kind of situation I'm talking about. But
Daniel's right. Again, I don't I don't have permission to
use his name, but I've got a dear friend of mine.
He's been doing this for forty five, forty seven years,
and he's still at me point blank that you know,

(50:40):
even when he was a kid, you know, the livestock
would disappear, but it would never be more than what
would hurt them. So, you know, I do I think
I think they're intelligent enough to know that, Hey, you know,
we're going to take our cut, but we're not gonna
really affect you know, this guy over here in his family.
Because I'm a firm believer they know exactly what a
family unit is is. I think they're a lot more

(51:01):
intelligent that people give them credit for, and I think
that's one of the reasons why they've bay booked and
they've able to be so I'm looking for incognito for
so long. Now I know there's the whole government conspiracy
thing and all that too, because you know, I also
believe that there's a large organization that is very well
aware of these creatures. But the fact that they can

(51:24):
kind of make themselves disappear in their own element does
not hurt their anonymity.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Well, you know, there's there's also another aspect to that too.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
If you if you have.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
A form and it's easy pickings, it's easy food, and
it's regular food. I think they're smart enough to know that, Well,
I need to leave them enough and keep them happy,
so this will keep production up and keep me happy.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
No, you're absolutely right. Yeah, I mean again, I don't
think there unless there's a vendetta, because I've also heard
about you know, zeph Lai and Bigfoot just going in
and killing all livestock and not doing anything where they're
just killing it to kill it. But uh, again that's
probably special circumstances. But I think you know, they're smart
enough to realize that they know if they kill everything,

(52:16):
there's not gonna be anything left for them too.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, there's a lot to it, and I think elements
of how many people go about encounters or deal with
certain encounters plays a factor, and when we talk about
cases where the human being might be in danger, do
you guys have an overall opinion on some of these
related incidents in bigfoot attacks or dogman attacks on people?

(52:43):
And I'm referring to certain cases such as Ape Canyon
for bigfoot or Land between the Lakes for reported dogmen.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Well, you know Ape Canyon. I there's there's a few
versions of Ape Canyon that I've heard, and one of them,
a couple of the guys saw one of the Sasquatches
during the day and then you started taking pop shots
at them. Another one they allegedly shot, and then it
fell off three hundred and fifty foot cliff and that's

(53:14):
when the Ape Canyon incident happened. Again. I wasn't there.
I don't know, but I think what has to happen
is there has to be an event. There has to
be a sentinel event that happens before the cryptids react.
I just don't think they're going to see someone and
just you know, start messing with them. I think something

(53:34):
has to happen. I think, you know, they're either going
to take be shot at hip you know, they might
have been one of their tribe or you know, pac
may have been hit with a car and they were
able to follow it. Whatever, whatever the case is, I
think something. I think there's always an event that precipitates

(53:55):
an action from a cryptid. Now I could be wrong.
I just don't think I am just to me that
would make sense because it's one of those things where
if you get the wrath of just say a pack
casino Cephali, all right, what did you do to have
that happen? Don't sit there and say, oh, we didn't
do anything. We weren't doing anything, because I don't believe that.

(54:17):
I don't think they're just gonna randomly pick someone and start,
you know, attacking them or harassing them or doing whatever.
So I think if there is an attack, it's probably
in retribution for something that already occurred.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Yeah, I agree, it's about incursion, it's about something negative happening.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
And you know, you've got to think.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
About it too, that they could just be predicted their
own home, their own hunting grounds, you know, just like
we would. And there again that goes back into the encourage.
And I don't think it's just blatant maliciousness. I think
there's a reason behind it, and we as humans, we

(55:08):
really don't cohabitate.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Well, I mean, just to be honest, we don't.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
And I whole heartedly agree with what Christian said.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Talk about a case though, where give or take somebody
who is in the wrong place at the wrong time
and they encounter a very aggressive sasquatch. Do you feel
like these creatures do give out warnings to people before
they pursue an attack, very similar to how we operate

(55:43):
as human beings when we feel threatened and we give
out threatened warningly.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
Yeah, I agree with tiny. I mean, I think it's
most likely the best answer, because the truth is we're
not experts on their behavior patterns, and anyone says they are,
you know, again, where'd you get your credentials? But to
me it would make sense because these creatures know that
the second they, you know, getting an entanglement with a
human being, there's going to be more to follow. And

(56:12):
I think they also know that, you know, human beings
have the ability to kill them. So I think you
know they And again it depends you know, the circumstances
have to dictate the actions, But I think they they
I think they they think a lot more before they act.
Where it comes to humans specifically, these days, I think

(56:33):
I think it's different nowadays. One hundred years ago, it
didn't matter. You know, if someone disappeared hunting, they disappear hunting.
Now we've got the technology go out and track where
they were, look for them, cell phones, drones, you know,
hunting dogs, the search parties, all these abilities, you know, flear, helicopters, everything.
So I think that kind of changed technology changed that

(56:55):
for them. If that if I'm if I'm verbalizing that
proper on what I mean by saying that things changed
for them, better for us, but not for them. If
they were to do harm on a human being, I.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Think the real issue would be that we wouldn't know
that they're giving us that that warning. I mean, think
about think about a rattlesnake for instance. You know, we
know how they warn us, but we had to learn
that the hard way, and with encounters between bigfoot, dog men, whatever,

(57:40):
it's so far in few between and so disbelieved that
nobody's really paying any attention. So if I'm out in
the woods and I happen to come across a you know,
a sasquatch with PMS, and they're like, you know, I
just don't like the way you look today, get out
of my area and they.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Start warning me.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
I don't necessarily know that's what's happening unless it's a
truly aggressive nature, you know, like a great ape when
they they charge and slap the ground, yell things like that.
But I think probably in the beginning it's more subtle
than that. And then of course it goes into the

(58:22):
rock throws or the yells things like that. I think
that's probably after it's escalated.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yeah, I have to agree with Daniel on that one.
I think it depends on what their definition of warning
you is. I mean, if you have an alpha that's
in a bad mood, and I believe they're prone to,
you know, have moods, you might get a grunt and
that's it. Or you get a you know, a boulder

(58:48):
hucked at your head, you know, or chucked at your head.
You know. It just it doesn't we don't know. Again,
it just it chalks up to those things. We don't
know what their determination of a warning is. I think
if you have the ability to decipher it while you're
out in the woods, I think, you know, there's been
times where Daniel and I have been growled at. And

(59:09):
let me tell you something. This is what you know
when you're being growled at uh and UH, you know
when it's time to turn around and leave uh. And
I think if you get a warning like that, then
you're much better off than just an unknown kind of signal,
If that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Now, is that the the chance of sounding kind of
woo woo? And I use that term affectionately. When you're
in an area that you're not wanted or you're not
supposed to be, you can feel it. I mean, I agree,
the energy any area changes. And you know, this is

(59:49):
where my paranormal background comes in. But everything around us
is in a vibrational state and we're sensitive to that.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Just like when you walk into a.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Room and you immediately focus on a person and go,
there's something wrong with that person. I don't like that person.
That's because that it's a negative vibration to you or
the whole room. You can walk into a room and
you feel that tension in a room and you're like, man,
something either just happened or something's getting ready to happen.
It's the same out there. You can feel it. That's

(01:00:22):
why one of the things that when we investigate is
I try to stay very very in tune to the
way the forest feels. The sounds you can hear it.
You know, are birds hollering? Our frogs and crickets are
they yelling? You know, things like that. You've got to
stay very in tune. And there's a difference in the

(01:00:44):
forest getting quiet because it's listening and it getting quiet
because something's getting ready to hit the fan.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Does that make sense? I know that sounds kind of crazy, but.

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
No, I agree. I agree. Well, yeah, I mean, you
you know what something's gonna you can feel it. You can,
And there's there's a difference between you know something's getting
quiet because you're around, and the entire force just it's
like someone turns the switch off and shuts everything off.
So there's a big difference. And I think, you know,
Daniel's right. I think all animals know when the alpha

(01:01:21):
predator is around, and I think that's when they go
into I'm gonna be quiet now because I don't want
to get killed mode. So I think that's why you
get that silence. But I agree with Daniel. I mean,
I think you know when it's time to leave. I
think we've been lucky several times, Daniel, because I think
you and I both looked at each other at the
same time and saying, Okay, time to leave, because I mean,

(01:01:42):
that's that's happened. That exact same scenario has played out
many times for me and the other people investigated with it,
including Daniel. So I think that's actually an exemplary example
of what you have to do. You have to pay
attention to your gut instincts. Specifically, if you're out there
and something like that happens. You know, there's a lot

(01:02:03):
of people that say, oh, I'm looking forward, I want
that to happen. Okay, okay, keep talking. Again, that's before
the incidental happen. You don't know how you're going to react,
and that's usually before the crying, the screaming and the
running starts. So I mean, you know you have to listen.
Uh I guess I guess the best way to say

(01:02:23):
that is, Daniel, you got to listen to nature? Is that?
Would you say that? I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
I mean we we all have an intuition that most
of us don't listen to. And you know, regardless of
the top investigation that you're doing, your gut is your
single best tool. And there's been many times I've walked into, uh,
you know, a paranormal investigation, and I knew that, well,

(01:02:52):
this one's going to get nasty, because you know, when
when it comes to a paranormal investigation, I have I've
dealt with some pretty new nasty stuff. I get rid
of it and you can feel it immediately. And the
same applies in the forest. You can feel it. There's
an energy. I mean, I know that it sounds, but

(01:03:13):
there's an energy.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
I mean, I agree with you because I've felt it.
I mean, I know what you're talking about. Especially if
something the faeris is about to happen, you definitely feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I have to agree with a lot of what you
guys said because and personally one of the reasons, and
this is a pretty interesting experience and i'd love to
hear your guys feedback on it. When I went to
the Pine Barons to go over an investigation, because I
know somebody who's close to me who had an experience
with a reported dogman. And when we went to the

(01:03:50):
Barons to go and try to investigate and look, it
was pretty ominous and it was a very unnerving feeling.
I felt very nauseous. I didn't feel easy. I felt
very uncomfortable, and it's almost like it was like a
channeling not just of my negative emotions to what I
was thinking in this particular region, but I felt like

(01:04:11):
these were the emotions that something was nearby that was
signaling those given that channeling, as if it was trying
to say get out of here without showing its face.
What do you guys think of that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
I think you were picking up on the energy change.
I think you were picking up on the very very
strong feelings of either an alpha predator or a cryptid. Again,
Daniel said, you know, listen to your instincts. A lot
of people have them, Everyone has them. A lot of
people don't listen to them. You know. I tell people
on every investigation we do if they're asking if you know,

(01:04:45):
I said, listen to what your gut tells you. Your
gut's never gonna lead you wrong. So if your gut
says it's time to get out of Dodge, then leave.
I don't care if people think you're a coward. I
don't care if people think you're scared. If your gut's
telling you to leave, then you leave. And there's a
reason why you're guy's telling you that. I believe that,
you know, all humans have the ability to know when
danger is present. You know, you might be picking up

(01:05:06):
on a pheromone, you could be picking up a different energy.
You know. The truth is, I don't know why we
can do it. I don't know if it's instinctual. I
don't know if it's something that's been you know, bred
into humanity from our inception. But I also believe that
everyone knows when trouble's bruin, And if you want to
deal with that trouble, that's fine. But if your body's

(01:05:28):
telling you, or if your gut instinct's telling you, or
the force is telling you, whatever's telling you to get
out there, I suggest you listen to that. So you
probably came close to having an encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
With something, Chris, Well, you know in the Barons there's
a lot more up better than descriptions too. It's hard
to say, well, you may have ran into.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
That's very true. I mean I've been there. I people
don't realize how big the Barons are, Chris. No, they
think the Jersey. They're not thinking that there's this huge
of boreal you know, pine forests between Maryland.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
What'd you say, Christian I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
Aren't the Barons basically square mileage. Aren't they about the
same size as Maryland?

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Oh, they're huge. And one thing I was gonna say
was was that people often think that the Pine Barons
is just one national region. It's in Pemberton Township, New Jersey,
but it extends all throughout the state of New Jersey.
I mean the Bass River Forest, the Wharton State Forest,
uh being the Bella Pine also being another region of
Pine Barons. It's all over the place. And keep in

(01:06:38):
mind too that even in the Barons there's there's you
mentioned about other things besides cryptids. We talk about satanic
cults and mysterious people in the woods. And there's also
like there's some ruins in certain parts of the woods,
like herbits and stuff live in And there's also dealing
with people there who are heavy drug addicts who go

(01:07:00):
into some of these places and just hide. So there's
a whole bunch of danger besides animals, bigfoots and dolgmen
and the Barons. I always tell people, even like you
guys mentioned, you know, going into the woods unarmed is
probably the most dumbest thing you can do.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
I you know, I won't be the only time we've
ever done like a real hardcore investigation is when we
were just doing a photo op and the area in
which we were researching and investigating or being crypted detectives
in just happened to have a scheduled cleanup from the
parks Department. So myself, Daniel and other associated ours we

(01:07:41):
were all armed, but we were like, man, I don't
want to and because the truth of the matter is
we were taking pictures for the website. We were just
looking for different kinds of shots, different that. This is
the kind of areas. It was all just I guess
what would you call it, Daniel, background photos, things like that,
just for Yeah, we were just looking for stoktuff, just stop,

(01:08:04):
thank you stop, and we ended up just by happenstance,
we found some of the best evidence I think we've
had in the last two years. And it just made
us go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. And
I think within two hours we were probably two or
three maybe four miles in a middle of nowhere and

(01:08:26):
we had an incident where had we been armed, I
think we probably would have been better off. But the
truth of the matter is, none of us were armed,
and we ended up doing the old hands up and
walking backwards and just kind of putting the head down
and walking out. And I think at that point in

(01:08:47):
time we were lucky we were able to do that.
So I think being armed is not necessarily going to
one hundred percent save you. But my thing is this,
I don't think cryptids like loud noises, and my first
instinct would not be to shoot at something if it

(01:09:07):
was coming at us. I would probably just pop a
few in the air, just to scare them with the noise.
That would be my I think that's probably would be
Daniel's first instinct too, and if that didn't work, then
we'd have to go to Plan B. But I think
the noise itself, you know, especially as a cute as
their hearing is, I think the noise itself would be
enough to probably drive them off. So I think then

(01:09:29):
that's that's something that you know, we we've always talked about.
But again, you don't know how you're going to react
until it happens. So I can't sit there and say, oh,
I would never do this, I'd never shoot at oneh
blah blah blah. I just don't know. I would hope
that I would have the mindset enough not to do it.
But you know, if one of my friends is getting charged,
you know, tiny is in the alert, or something's gonna happen,
or something's gonna jump on them, or you know, I'm

(01:09:50):
gonna do whatever I gotta do to make sure my
friends and I walk out of there. And you know,
I I'm not trying to say I'm a big bad guy.
That's not my thing because I don't know my luck.
I'd probably you know, be talking to time you turn
right around and then walk into a dog man and
you know it came over from me. So it's just

(01:10:10):
one of those things. You just never know what's going
to happen. But you just have to be as ready
as I guess. You just have to be prepared. Like
the old boy scout. You have to be prepared, and
you have to be prepared all the time. And a
lot of people these days, I don't think they go
prepared enough. In the woods. You know, I talked to

(01:10:31):
a guy not too long ago, nice guy, very intelligent, educated,
very articulate, and he tells me about you know, he's
this area he's hikings, asking me some advice and I'm like, okay, well,
you know number one, never go alone, I said number two.
I said, you have concealed weapons permit. He's like, well no,
I said, well maybe you should get one of those.
And you know, before you go into this area, you know,

(01:10:54):
get your concealed weapons permit. Get someone you can trust
to come with you, make sure they're armed. And I said,
you know, deaf only have a GPS. Uh, bring a
cell phone, bring a camera. But you know I always
tell everyone Chris to and tiny's Tiny's seen me do
this a million times. I say, bring a compass, and
then bring a spare compass, a real compass, not eat

(01:11:15):
digital compass on your phone. All right, you need ten
to build. You need a real compass. You know how
to use it. The other thing I always tell everyone
to bring is make sure you got a whistle with you,
all right, Always have a whistle. Be So how easy
is it to find someone, you know, blowing a whistle
in the middle of nowhere. It's easier to hone in
on that than someone just screaming because that whistle is
very distinct. So I and again, these are just a

(01:11:39):
few things you know, we always have on us whenever
we go even if we're ten feet in the woods.
These are things we have with us, and we have
a numerous amount of other things. I mean, we we
have you know, uh uhf VHF radios. You know, we
have stuff. We're very prepared, you know, and we've got
the repeated stations all programmed in to whatever you're into too,

(01:12:01):
So things like that just help you be prepared. I'm
a huge David Polides fan. I think David Plitis has
done the world of great service with his books and
if memory serves, and I hope I don't say this wrong,
but he's always said that, you know, if you carry
three things, it's a firearm, a GPS and what's the
other one? Tiny a phone?

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Probably something to start a fire with.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
No, no, But it's in all the cases that if
you have three specific things, and Chris, I'm sorry, buddy,
I'm just not prepared for what they are. But I
believe it's a firearm and GPS and a phone. He's
he said, that's probably the be and never go alone.
Of course, he said, I think he's. He's several several
times he's commented on that I could be wrong. On

(01:12:49):
the phone, it might be something else, but the phone's
jumping into my head for some reason. But if you
have a firearm and that GPS transponder, I think you're
and know where you're going, and I think it might
be a phone or a map. It's it's probably one
of those two or conjunction on both. And again, please
forgive me for not being one hundred percent articulate on that.
I wasn't thinking about saying that. But I think, you know,

(01:13:13):
if people want to spend a lot of time in
the woods, I think you would behoove them greatly to
pick up all David Plitez's books and read them because
there's just an incredible amount of knowledge of there. I mean,
the guy knows what he's talking about. So but for
us when we go in, you know, it's it's always
safety first. And when you're in the barns and you're
alone and you're having that feeling and you're unarmed, that's

(01:13:36):
that's a recipe for disaster. So I think you did
the right thing, brother, that's my long way of saying,
you did the right thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
No, And I appreciate that. And personally I do go
into the woods armed, so it's not like I do
go into someplace without any protection, and no need to
apologize at all in reference to the David Pilate's three things,
because I don't even know the three things. I know
about the whole. I know so I know about being armed,
one I believe, and then I don't know the rest.

(01:14:04):
I don't really follow David, believe it or not. I
do follow what he does do and it does allude
to a couple of questions I do have in reference
to bigfoot and dogmen and national parks. But yeah, no
need to apologize. I personally think it's interesting to say
the least, that people do not go into the woods unarmed.
It's weird because it's like it's not even just the

(01:14:26):
idea of going into the woods thinking and I'm gonna
go for a nice hike, but along the way I
might run into a mountain lion or a bear. People
forget where they live, and migration always happens. We've had
more black bear pop up around my area than in
the last twenty years when I was around, And it's weird,
and migration does play a role where the food goes
and when people don't often go into the woods without

(01:14:50):
any weapon or even if it's just like a pocket knife.
It's scary to think. And when I asked this, I
asked this in all honesty, no bullshit, but like, do
you really think that some of these cases with the
missing form one one? And I'd love to hear what
you have to say about this, daniel A. Big are
just related to not bigfoot or dogmen, but actually just

(01:15:11):
people who because they're so irresponsible in the woods, they
just disappear and injure themselves or possibly worse.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
Absolutely, I think that there's probably at least an equal
number of those missing cases are just people that have
gotten in trouble not been prepared.

Speaker 6 (01:15:34):
I mean, it's it's easy to do.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
You can go into any of these national forests and
you know, walk half a mile in and be completely
lost if you're not prepared. Some people don't have that
sense of direction that you know some people have. I
grew up in the woods, so I can navigate in
the woods easily. It's like, you know, my second home,

(01:15:58):
and not everybody has that ability. So you can go in,
you can you get turned around, you step in a hole,
you break your ankle, you're in trouble. You're in real trouble,
and it doesn't take long, and there's a lot of
animals out there that are going to take advantage of
that meat that's laying there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
No, it's not to say that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
All of them are that, But yeah, I really honestly
believe that a fair majority are just people that have
gotten in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
I'd say it's probably about ninety eight percent, man, I honestly.
And and the reason why I say that is just
Daniel just said it specifically, and there's really nothing else
I can say to it except the fact that people
overestimate their abilities. Now, I'm good in the woods because

(01:16:52):
I grew up in the woods myself. You know, I've
been an appleatic my whole life. And I don't worry
about me because anytime we go out, we have at
any given time materials for fire protection, batteries, flashlights, a compass,
a backup compass usually you know, even sometimes even three compasses.

(01:17:13):
We've got maps. We know where we're going, you know,
we've told people where we're going. You know, we I
even go as far as to you know, I'll take
a beat off of where we park and put that
in the in the map function of the phone. So
even if the GPS isn't working, it's still you know,

(01:17:34):
we kind of know where we're going. But people don't
do that. Man, they just they don't think they need it.
You know, they're they're more concerned with carrying, you know,
a gallon of water in their camel pack than they
are with having you know, a knife and you know,
a ferros rod to start a fire, or some water
purification tablets, or you know, a granola bar, or an

(01:17:55):
extra pair of socks, you know, gloves most people. It
surprises me how many people don't bring gloves while they hike,
or they don't have any rope or you know, there's
just it's a myriad of things. And if you think
about it, you know, it's the simplest stuff that you need.
You know, I use a walking stick on my walking stick.

(01:18:16):
I'm actually looking at right now. On my walking stick,
I've got you know, one hundred and fifty feet of
you know, eight fifty parachord on there. You know, it's
it's marked off. I know how deep song is going
to be. I've got a compass in the stock. I mean,
it's you know, that's just one of the things we have,
you know, and we always carry nine. You know, we've
got backup knives. You know, a knife is a very
basic tool that you really need out there regardless. And

(01:18:40):
but people think, hey, we're only going for this little hike.
We don't need this, blah blah, bah don't I don't
want to carry this. I don't want to carry that.
I don't like guns things like that, And I think
that's what gets people in trouble. And I really think
they really too much on the technology. I think people
don't realize that you're not going to have cell signal
in a lot of these places. Your battery is going
to dive fast because it's constantly searching out for a signal,

(01:19:03):
and you're also taking pictures and taking video and trying
to upload this, that and the other thing. Your battery,
your phone's gonna die quick. And now you have no compass.
Now you have no idea where you are. And that's
why these, you know, these bad things happen. So I think,
you know, Daniel's very you know, accurate, and his portrayal
of what happens, is some of it cryptied related, I'm sure, sure,

(01:19:23):
I'm sure some of it is, but you know, I
don't know. An example off the top of my head
that I could say as one hundredercentrypted related. You know, again,
we just don't know. But I think most of it
comes from being ill prepared.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
Well, and you know, there's also a little bit more
morbid uh thought process too. Is there's a lot of
people hiding in woods.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
Yeah, well I try not to think like, you know,
I don't want to. I don't like saying stuff like
that because you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Well, I mean, truth is truth is truth. There's people
out there. There's people that are very nefarious out there,
and there's also people out there that are going to
take it advantage of meat when they see it. So
but you're talking about really you know, deep woods when
you're talking about that. But there are a lot of
things out there, no.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
There are, And you know, again, I think I'm thinking
of a time where you and I ran into some
people and their attitude severely changed the second they saw
we were both armed. One individual had a shovel and
I actually thought he was getting very swing to shovel
at the tiny in one of our little adventures and

(01:20:35):
our excursions. So again, being armed sometimes you just don't
have to say anything, you know, they just see it
and they're like, oh, hello, different story, you know, and
I think that's helpful. But again, you know, it just depends.
It depends. But you have to be prepared. I don't
think we would have half of these stories if people
were one hundred percent prepared And you know Chinese, right,

(01:20:57):
people slipped, they fall, they break an ankle, or you know,
they twist their knee, they do something, and you know,
they get hurt, they get disorientated, you know, and then
you know, they don't make it back out or they
start freaking out. You know, a lot of people don't
stay where they they they start moving where they should
stay where they are and wait for help. You know.

(01:21:18):
I read about a case not too long ago where
they didn't even send out a search party because the
person wasn't even expected back for a week, and had
they known where he was, like three or four days prior,
he would have been, you know, fine. But you know,
I think a lot of it has to be with communication,
and a lot of it has to do with being prepared.

(01:21:38):
I'm a firm believer that you need to tell something
if you're going out off trail and you're in the
middle of the woods, even if it's a great place
to find cryptids or evidence or whatever you're looking for.
You still need to tell someone where it is, you know,
that's the thing. And a lot of people don't do
that because they don't want to give up their secrets.
And it's like, well, what good is a secret going
to do you if something happens to you there.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
Well, and you know, talking about secrets too, you've got
to think we still have a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Shiners out these ways.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
Most people out here growing huge fields of pot and
you run up on them, they'll make you disappear.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
Yeah, they're not gonna be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
It's very easy for somebody, especially when they're growing narcotics
or whatever, to proceed to make anything expendable. It's just
to hate the truth. And then you know, we talk
about truth. I mean there are people out there even
That's why, like when I say the Barons, the Satanist
cult of there's been people who've reportedly seen the most

(01:22:40):
haneous of things that happen in those woods. And I'm
no surprise to me in any neck of the woods,
whether it's in the yellow Stone or whether it is
in a very populated park, that someone or some psychopath
out there is going to kill somebody. It's very easy.
There are people who are in the woods to begin with,
and I know you not to scare nobody, but like

(01:23:01):
even in what Daniel said, when it comes to truth,
I mean, there are people out there for whatever reason,
whether it's just a scare people or if they got
an agenda. There was a case I read of someone
who just was in the woods and just wanted to
shoot people for fun. And it's scary to think about that,
but I mean it happens. That's why anybody should go
into the woods unarmed. Is the most ridiculous of things

(01:23:23):
you need to do. And it's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
I don't understand that because even if you take a
human element out of it, you know, you've got snakes, bears,
you know, a little bit lower on us, there's alligators.
You never know what you're gonna run into, and it
swamp the area. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff,
mountain lions, you know, you know it, cougars, it doesn't
the list goes on and on and on. You know,
we have we're starting to get a population of coyotes

(01:23:48):
around here that are becoming a menace. And you know
that's not you know, oh, it's just a small dog.
Don't worry about it. Well, when there's twelve or fourteen
of them, yeah you got a problem, you know. So,
I mean I don't understand that either. It's just it's
a safety measure. You don't ever have to pull it out.
You don't ever have to shoot anything if you don't
want to. But it's nice to know you've got it

(01:24:10):
if you need it, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
Christian, I'm a single man. I wouldn't mind running into
a cougar.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
But I'm bump bump and Chris. That's an example of
a tiny joke right there, that that is something I
live with.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I like it sinks in a little bit, though I'm
not gonna lie. I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, yeah,
raunchy is, yes, But I mean at the end of
the day too, if you really think about it, compared
to what these sasquatches or dogmen can do, I think
cougar might be a bit of an expendable thing comparison
to mean, it takes one shot, one kill. But at
the same time, I mean that is if you know

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she's vicious.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
If I might emphasize a bit though, when it comes
to bigfoots and dogmen, and to go allude a little
bit back to some of the more ideology th things
when it comes to these cryptids. What about the idea
that these creatures can do anything a human can do,
such as pick up an axe, a hatchet, and to

(01:25:11):
go to an extent when I say it, possibly opening
a car door or being able to observe a gun.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Do I think they can do it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
And if so, or is that just like an exaggeration?

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
Do you think no? I definitely think that. I mean,
there was a report not to Oh goodness, I just
heard this the other day and I'm not sure what
channel was on. And again, I don't like giving other
people's names or podcasts that if I don't have permission.
So if I have permission, i'd give, but I don't.
But there was an example of a dog man opening
up a door. I think they observe us. I think

(01:25:47):
they're intelligent. I think they observe us. I can't tell
you many times I've heard someone say that the bigfoot
twisted their doorknob. If and again it all goes down
to this, if they wanted in, they'd be in. I mean,
if you're a twelve foot two thousand pounds North American primate,
and there's only a two inch wooden door stopping you

(01:26:10):
from getting what you want. There's really nothing stopping you
from getting what you want. So I think, again, it's
just that discovery. They're curious. I don't know if an
example like that would be an example of someone wanting
to get or an example of a bigfoot wanting to
do harm to someone, because again I'm a firm believer.
If they want in, they're going to come in. They

(01:26:31):
know how, they know how a window breaks, they know
how you know, they've seen doors open, they know how
car door opens. They observe us, you know, I think
where they're entertainment and when they're watching us, they're learning,
so they see where we are. That's why I think.
You know, when when the male disappears from his residence
and the female starts having problems with sasquatch, that's because

(01:26:52):
the sasquatch knows that the male's gone. The second male
comes back, there's no problems. So I mean that's because
he's been observing or you know that that's just and
again that's just an example. So I think they're very observant.
I think they can do pretty much. I think they
can pick up an axe. I don't think they would
really need to, but I think they can pick up
an axe if they wanted to. I think they can

(01:27:13):
open up a door, I think, you know, I think
if they were so inclined, they could probably rip the
door off the car body if they wanted to. But
I think there's something that keeps them, you know, at
Bay a lot of the time. Again, I think it
depends on their anger level. Like if they're raging, they're

(01:27:36):
going to do it. You know, they're just going to
destroy everything in their path. And I think, you know,
it just depends on what precipitates the events. If they're
just curious and they want to try opening a door,
you know, I've also heard that too, and again that
might be a juvenile thing, you know what I'm saying.
So we just don't know. But I definitely believe they
can do it, absolutely do well.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
I Mean, you hear old stories of natives trading goods
with them, so yeah, I think they're more than capable.
And if you think about it, how many bears have
been spotted opening car.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Doors, Well, there was just yeah, there was just a
report what two days ago on the news of a
bear opening up a door around here in Yashville and
getting in the car, and it was on tape a video.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Yeah, and then we look at apes and things like
that using tools, and I think squats are much more
intelligent than the great apes. So yeah, I think I honestly,
I don't even think that's a question. I think they're
more than capable.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Yeah, I mean, personally, I love to see that tape
of the bear opening the door. But furthermore, the next
couple questions are not meant to be goofy, but rather
more asked at a curiosity, a little inquisitive with creatures
like Bigfoot, like how do they respond to food? How

(01:29:13):
do you think they respond to food?

Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
What I mean by that and not necessarily like let's
just say, for example, we know that they go after
normal mammals such as raccoon's elk, anything that is above
their weight, and that is considered good predatory food. But
if you were to give like these creatures berries or
like a McDonald's sandwich, and I'm not saying it to

(01:29:37):
be funny, but like I'm saying out of curiosity, like
do they react any different? Because I've often heard cases
of them reacting to berries as if it's like shrooms.
And I don't know how accurate or how crazy that
might sound, but it's just it's almost like, how do
they react to some of our foods or anything, versus
foods like mammals.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
I think they are sugar I've got again. I've got
a friend of mine whose name I can't use, who
has told me point blank that once they've had sugar,
it is like a drug to them. I have never
heard anything about the very situation as far as them
acting like it's a drug for them. But how many
reports of a bigfoot in a berry patch? I mean,

(01:30:20):
I mean, that's just that goes back in the historic record.
So I believe that they're very much omnivores. I think
they're gonna eat whatever they can eat when they're around.
You know, it probably takes a lot to keep one
of these guys moving every day. But I think as
far as like eating some Mickey D's, it would probably
get them sick. It's nothing against Mickey D's, it's just

(01:30:41):
I don't think the systems are designed to eat that
kind of stuff. But I've been told by various people,
but one person that I trust utmost that eats told
me point blank, sugar is like a drug for them,
and if they're expecting it from you, if you give
them sugar once or something like don't like sweet donut,
you know donuts like lazed donuts, or you know, any

(01:31:03):
kind of sugar cereal or a candy bar or something
like that, that is how trouble starts. Because once they
get it, they want more, and they don't get it,
they go looking for where it came from, and if
you don't give it to them, then they're going to
have a hissy fit and destroy stuff. So I think
the reaction as far as like berries and stuff, I'm
sure that's normal, But anything with a high sugar content

(01:31:27):
I think would probably tend to get you in trouble
with them eventually. As for like McDonald's or something like that,
I don't even know if they eat it, you know,
I don't know, I don't know. You know, there's there's
ways that things are processed and they might give off
a different smell and they might not even eat it.
I don't know. I mean, it's hard for me to
walk away from, you know, a big mac. I'm not

(01:31:47):
going to do that. Or surprise, because you know, I've
been eating them my whole life and I'm going to
continue to eat them. But if you take someone or
something that's completely out of nature, that's had nothing but
food provided by nature, that's never been processed or anything else,
that might not appeal to them. So I'm just guessing

(01:32:08):
that they might not even eat it. But the sugar
thing is where I would I would say, would definitely
be an issue.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
So you got to think too.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
I believe that genetically they're probably really close to us,
and you've got to think of what these things do
to us. And you talk about sugar, chocolate, things like
that in particular, and the endorphins that it releases.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
It's like a drug for us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
And you take an animal that's never had anything processed
like that, any of that process sugar, and you get
it to them, that release is probably gonna be pretty big,
and it would make sense from the to get an
addiction to it. I mean, we have addictions to sugar
because of that same endorphin release.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
So yeah, I'm one hundred sent with you because I'll
be honest with you. If I'm near Reci's peanut butter cups,
I've got to eat them, so, you know, and I
have access to them. So if if I've never had
sugar before and that's the first thing I've tried, I mean,
what kind of sugar rush you're gonna get? Honestly, I

(01:33:21):
mean that's a good point, Daniel.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Be like taking that first shot of caffeine, you know,
like that. But you know, as far as the processed
foods like you were talking about with McDonald's things like that,
I would imagine that would be kind of akin to say,
if a human had been a vegan for fifteen years
and then all of a sudden they of steak. Everybody
is going to kind of reject it, you know, And

(01:33:48):
I mean just just because of how we process that
type of food and the amount of grease and preservatives
and all the crap that we put in food. They
may not touch it, I don't know. But the sugar
sugars are different. We know sugars are different.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Can't deny it's pretty good food, though. I mean, if
they were to reject it, it would be interesting to watch,
but it'd also be a bit hilarious considering these this
creature vour and food like a human being, if not worse.
But I bring that up essentially because you mentioned a
good point, Daniel as well as you Christian in reference

(01:34:30):
to how the human system takes certain foods. And mind you,
I don't eat I'm not a vegan, but I do
eat variety certain foods. And I can tell you that
when there was a period of time where I stopped
eating fast food, that I stopped for about maybe two
or three years, and then I had one day a
big mac and my body rejected it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
It was awful.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
And I can imagine if a bigfoot would or dogmen
would react the same way, that they themselves would probably
feel very sick. And it's not easy to come by,
especially if it's processed food, no matter how good it is.
These creatures, I feel are too close to us as
humans that many might think.

Speaker 6 (01:35:12):
No, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Now, I do want to emphasize on something here because
and this is for many people out there that might
think it's a bunch of bullshit, it's not because you
can look up look it up yourself, and I'm sure
you guys are very much aware of it. In the
late eighties, there is this bear that gotten has some
drugs and it was hooked on coke and it was

(01:35:37):
like wild and bear itself and eventually it died because
of the amount it took in. But the reason why
I and say this is because is it very easy
for a cryptid? And I know because we don't know,
because we don't necessarily have an answer to it because
of the research aspect of it. But do you feel

(01:35:58):
it like much so in a sugar rush in general
like that, that they'd react as almost like a normal
human being who is a bit under the influence of
drugs and react very negatively or would it smoothed them
in a sense?

Speaker 6 (01:36:15):
I think I think you're right. I think they'd react
like a regular human being would be on drugs. I
think they probably would.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
But I think as far as the reaction they would
have to it, well, I don't know. I want to
say it would depend on the mood and the surrounding
when they.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Got into it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
But if say it's a hallucinogenic for instance, it's probably
going to scare them and then a flight or fight
response kicks in and they're gonna probably tear up Jack
just because they're singing stuff. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Evidently, as you know, they don't necessarily speak the same
language we speak, so take in the idea of a
psychedelic drug such as mushrooms and that you mentioned Daniel,
it scares them, but would there in a sense would
they perhaps because their bodies react to it a certain way,
because their genes might be a bit different than ours.

(01:37:20):
I mean, obviously if we take in a large amount
of drugs and not encouraging it or in general saying
it for the pritent being. But as you know, if
you're taking a certain amount, you can easily kill yourself.
Do you feel that they could do the same thing
themselves under a certain drug, depending on the circumstances of
their body genes, their biology.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
That's likely, but I think you've also got to take
into account in a situation mushrooms, for instance, you know
there's animals out here. Squirrels are a good example that
will only eat half of a bucket because half of
it's poison. They just know. And I think for a

(01:38:05):
natural drug like a mushroom, I think they would know
that it's something to either stay away from or that
they're aware of, and would probably do it recreationally.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
But I think anything.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
That they overdo, I think, yeah, they could probably kill theirselfs.
I mean, look, at cats and catnip. They can't leave
it alone. We have to actually take it away from
So the question really is do you think they have

(01:38:42):
the self control to not overdo it? And that would
go right back to well, how intelligent are they really?

Speaker 6 (01:38:56):
I mean, that's that's true, but you know that there's
also been reports of like, you know, them breaking into
stills and eating all the mash. You know. I think
I think they're just they're looking for, you know, food,
and if they had this stuff one time and they
knew they felt good afterwards, then you know, maybe they're

(01:39:18):
going to try it again. I think that's I think
it's just kind of experimentation with them. But I think
they're also very intelligent and they know what's going to
do what to them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Yeah, I have to say the same thing. It rolls
both many ways. I think the big thing out of
all of it, though, is the idea that people do
respond to it in a certain way because it is
very passy to explain, especially because we don't have all
the answers, But it is a good thing to think
about considering that these creatures. There are similarities between us

(01:39:52):
and them, but there is that missing link and I
think that that is a big drawing in line, and
that has also gone on with the same debate with primates.
But I want to ask you guys a bit of
controversial questions now, because I think it's important to kind
of just hear what you guys really have to say
about this. Why is it so easy to have people
be misinformed in research, whether it's bigfoot or dogmen? Tell

(01:40:17):
me why?

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
Because people listen to people that aren't quote unquote experts,
that try to produce themselves or try to promote themselves
as experts, and they will say something that may or
may not be true, depending on what it's about. And
then you have someone that you know will listen to them,

(01:40:40):
and they're not thinking this guy might not be one
hundred percent legit or this person might not be one
hundred percent legit. They're just thinking, well, someone said it, it
must be true because they're not doing their research. Credibility
in the cryptied world is a very hard thing to
come by. Even if you are one hundred percent honest
and you've never falsified information or you've never said something

(01:41:03):
wasn't true, Eventually someone's going to say something negative about
you just because they can't so I think that's probably
what happens, is just there's just a lot of disinformation
out there, or people might hear a story that's completely
fiction and think that it's legit. So I mean, it's
probably a combination of a bunch of different things. But

(01:41:25):
I don't think people are, you know, intentionally trying to,
you know, lead people down the wrong path. But I
think some stuff that happens maybe being conjunction with other
stuff and it just falls into place, and that's where
the misinformation comes from.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
I think for a person to be misinformed is as
much their own responsibility as who they listen to.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
I think it boils down to what you want to believe.

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
For instance, you may want to believe that Sasquatch is
just a feral creature, no intelligence, just this undiscoveredy. I,
on the other hand, may want to believe the Sasquatch

(01:42:19):
is super intelligent, spiritual, so forth and so on. You
are going to seek out the references that point to
what you want to believe. I want to seek out
the references that validate what I want to believe. And
that's human nature. We believe what we want to believe.

(01:42:40):
We believe what feels right, and what feels right to
you may not feel right to me. And when you're
talking about anything paranormal, there's not enough hardcore evidence for
somebody to say, no, you're wrong, because we don't know.

(01:43:01):
It just boils down to that we have no idea,
we have speculation, we have experiences, but does experiences validate
certain things? But those certain things that they validate are vague.
So there's still a lot of room for us to
believe whatever we want to believe. And that's what's going
to happen. I think that's where a lot of the

(01:43:23):
misinformation come from. And I believe what I believe, So
I'm going to write a book about it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Somebody else is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
Going to read that book and say, you know what
that strikes home and it's no walls.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
I think that's where the misinformation comes from.

Speaker 6 (01:43:40):
I mean, I agree with that. I think people are
going to believe what they want to believe. That's where,
you know, you get your different camps. You get people
that think that Bigfoot is transdimensional. You get people that
think that it's, you know, just a no good varment
and it's just here to kill everyone. You get things
like that, so they're gonna believe what they believe that
is exactly right, and they seek out like minded people.

(01:44:06):
I mean, we all do, right, that's just human nature.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
That's kind of while we're here talking to that, we're
all like minded.

Speaker 6 (01:44:14):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
I have to agree with that. And another thing is
is that often I've recalled when it comes to belief
system and I feel that this is where we get
off the rails too. And something that I don't agree
with is we take one belief system and it happens
a lot with people. And nothing against anybody's religion or
anybody's beliefs, but I feel that sometimes we mix together

(01:44:42):
what we read in the Bible with what these creatures are.
And what I mean by that is when people say
that these things are demons or a nephelum or something
of a relic, you know, dire wolves, or things that
are just a demonic nature, things that are just pure evil.
I have a problem with that. I don't know what
you guys feel about that, but I personally don't think

(01:45:03):
because what we hear in the Bible or think of
in the Bible is the same of what we see
as cryptids.

Speaker 6 (01:45:11):
Well, I mean, you're talking about the Nephilum and the
fallen ones, or you know, or the the the mix
and amalgamation of the hybrids of the angelic and human.
You know, you know, and you have to if you're
going to talk about that, then you have to talk
about Genesis six, and then you know, you're talking about

(01:45:33):
the Nephlum and the giants, and then you know, he
goes into all that. A lot of people believe that
the Bigfoot and the Sino ceph Light are remnants of
that age. And again, it's one of those things, Chris,
I'd be honest with you. Ten years ago, if you
had asked me if I thought that was even feasible,

(01:45:54):
I would have laughed at you and said, absolutely not.
And now it's I have to it up, and it's possible.
The more I researched these creatures and the more information
I obtained, instead of finding more and more answers, I
get more and more questions. And I'm pretty sure, you know,
I'm not speaking for Daniel Daniels. He can speak for himself,

(01:46:17):
but I'm pretty sure he's probably the same kind of
mindset on these guys. I mean, again, Tiny, I'm not
trying to speak for you, so please feel free to
pipe in.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Well, I think the word evil in itself people tend
to just use for things that they don't understand, and
in this case, it's something we have no clue about.
So obviously it's evil.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
We have been.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
We've been bred that way, we've been taught that way,
and it's hard to take, you know, centuries of teaching
out of the blood, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
But you're right, we do.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
We use what we believe to explain what we can understand.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
And that's not always right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:06):
Now. As far as what Bigfoot dog Man what they
actually are, I have no idea. I keep an open
minds until I see proof of it. I can't say
that it's not. So could it be a dimensional thing, yeah,
could be. Could it be just an ape? Yeah, could be.

(01:47:27):
I have no thoughts about it. I don't believe it's
just an ape. But yes, we use we use what
we've taught. We've been taught, we use what is ingrained
anything to latch onto an explanation. We as a race,
it's inbred into us that we have to have an

(01:47:49):
explanation for everything. We have to understand it. So we
make up whatever we can to understand it. We can't
just let it go and think, well, that's really weird.
I don't know, so we have to explain it. That's
where science comes in and think about all the things
that we thought were hardcore proven by science that now

(01:48:16):
we're saying, well, I don't know, that's not right. And
there again it's all about.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
We believe what we want to believe.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
Yeah, I mean definitely. That's again it's very rare that
you get people that are open minded enough to think
anything is possible. Because everyone wants to have a concrete
explanation for whatever they see encounter the unknown. They want
to know what it is, and if they don't know,
then they're going to put the closest explanation that they

(01:48:51):
can explain it with to it. And I think that's
definitely something that happens in the crypto world. And again,
Daniel's more open minded to the trans dimensional thing. That's
just not my I'm not I'm not I'm not done
with that. But is it possible?

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:49:10):
Is it feasible? Man? Do I believe that? No? But
if I see something that changes my mind, I'll be
the first one to say, yeah, I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
I can't see one save shift in front of him.
I don't necessarily believe that they are dimensional. I just
can't say that you're not. But I really hope if
they are, I'm able to see one appear and disappear
in front of Christian be great.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
Like I said, I'm not saying it's not possible that
we're we're in a realm or a field, if you will.
We're to say that nothing is impossible is kind of
the mantra, because anything is possible. We're dealing with things
that aren't supposed to exist fellas, and they do exist,
and they have existed, and they might they might have

(01:50:01):
been long. They may have been on this planet longer
than you know, Homo sapien man in our current form.
All right, we just don't know. And that's what, you know,
that's what drives us to keep going, is we want
to find the answers to the questions, whether or not
where ever going to find them. I'm hopeful. I just
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
I think, like one thing I just want to clarify
is that like for everybody's beliefs on that, I totally
I don't want to come off pushy or aggressive with it.
It's just from my experiences, whether it's been on a
social media group or just by speaking with somebody and
comparing it to the Bible. In my opinion, I just
don't understand why we need to direct that notion. And

(01:50:45):
maybe that's because when you look at it from also
another standpoint, such as the interdimensional theory, the normal enthusiast
who starts off as research ain't gonna believe that. I
think as much, because they're going to sit there and
try to base reality on a thought that they grew
up to know and now they're trying to get out

(01:51:05):
of that reality a thought. But at the same time,
I'd want to see proof to verify that, because if
someone were to tell me a big foot of dog
men were to come out from this portal, I'm going
to have a hard time buying into it because of
the detail of it and the explanation of it. Because
of it being a firsthand report, I don't know. I'd
have to see it firsthand. That's my issue with all

(01:51:28):
that type of stuff. I'm sure you guys have gotten
reports there and there of people who've said something about
portals and have left you wondering WTF.

Speaker 6 (01:51:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I've had several reports where you know. But then,
and I'm not again, I'm not trying to be mean.
I'm not saying it's not possible. Usually when someone sees
a portal open and just say, a cryptid comes in
and out of reality or this dimension or whatever you

(01:51:58):
want to call it, most times it's followed up by
then they communicated with me through mind speak or telepathy.
Now again, is it possible? Sure, am I on that
side of the spectrum believing it absolutely not, But I

(01:52:20):
will give it that point zero one percent chance that
it actually happened. I just have noticed in my years
of investigating and research and communicating with witnesses that when
you usually see the portal, there's usually some telepathy or
some mind speak that goes along with it, and that

(01:52:42):
usually makes for an interesting interview.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
I have to say as well that even though that
for the longest time I thought it was always telepathic
thoughts that may or may not be a thing thing,
But interestingly, to explain, I also think of it too,
that maybe it's not telepathic. But you know how we

(01:53:11):
mentioned about the whole vibes you get when you're in
the woods. Could perhaps they possess that same vibe that
you see an encounter when you look at it firsthand, well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
I mean it could be intersound. It could be intersound.
One of the method makes it intersound is you know,
hearing things dizziness. Seeing orbs of light is actually a
side effect from infrasound. So a lot of people that say, hey,
we were out there and then I saw these two
orbs and then we had a bigfoot encounter. Ninety nine
percent of the time, In my opinion, that's because you

(01:53:43):
saw those orbs of light because the sasquatch saw you
and then hit you with infrasound, and that's why you
saw that, because you were getting disorientated. So I think
infrasound can explain a whole lot more than what people
give it credit for. If you really want to do
some research, go ahead and look at some of the
research that the US government did on infrasound in the eighties,

(01:54:06):
and I think NASA had a lot to do with it.
But it's it's out there. I mean, it's it's available
to find, and it's not hard to look for. But
you'd be surprised how much infrasound can change your perception
of your reality and make you see things that aren't
there make you hear things. It's it's a whole it's
a big deal, and it's it's something I very much

(01:54:26):
believe in. So I think infrasound basically, if you got
hit with infrasound, you might actually see a portal open up,
but it could be a distortion in the light. It
could just be a whole lot of an amalgamation of
twisted lights and something that's happening because your central nervous
system is being disrupted and you're not seeing things clearly.

(01:54:46):
So there's a whole lot of explanations, but I think
infrasound is probably one of the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
And infrasound is a very huge thing, and that often
has been played mad multiple times, and I agree with that.
I've often seen infrasound as a good explanation for a
lot of those situations. Now, getting onto another question that
we kind of semi answered, but at the same time,
I also think it applies to all fields crypto and

(01:55:19):
paranormal And your opinion for you guys both is social
media a good tool for modern day cryptozoology?

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
Yes? Or no? Man, tiny you want to take that one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:33):
Honestly, that depends on how you're using it. If you're
using it just as a means of Okay, well you
know this person, you know this, this amount of people
have seen such and such in this area.

Speaker 6 (01:55:50):
Or if you're using it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
In a way where you're just communicating different ideas, then yeah,
it can be. If you're in an informative way, it
can be. But social media in itself is not that way.
What happens is you get all of these different groups

(01:56:14):
that turn into clicks, and then you have people fighting
amongst theirselfs. It's the same, the same thing that happens.
You know, say you follow just looks at a paranormal
investigator and goes, you're crazy, and the bigfoot guy looks
at the upologist goes, well you're crazy. I think you're

(01:56:36):
both crazy. But why you know, we're all in it together.
And if you really look at it, and social media
could be a good thing if it was used appropriately.

Speaker 7 (01:56:51):
But there's aspects of each field that we could really
learn from each other.

Speaker 5 (01:57:01):
We could work together and actually come to some conclusions.
You know, there's a lot of UFO sidings can be
correlated to bigfoot signs.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
You know, now why that is? We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
It's just an interesting coincidence. There's a lot of paranormal
things happen with around cryptied hotspots. You know, Christian and
I went and we were doing an investigation in a
specific area around here. It was cryptied, but it turned

(01:57:36):
pretty paranormal. And I personally, I think that a lot
of the Bigfoot sightings happened around what used to be
sacred Native American areas, and I think they're drawn to
that energetic area.

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
Now, if a paranormal.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
Investigator could talk to a bigfoot guy about that on
social media without four hundred other people in the comments
going you're crazy, you're crazy, No, he's crazy, No, you're crazy,
then yeah, it could be beneficial. But that's not how
it happens. So I guess long and short of it

(01:58:23):
is it could be positive, but it's really not.

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
I mean, I hate to disagree with tiny, and I
really can't on most of those statements. The only thing
I would even vaguely say is if cryptid researchers see,
I can't really comment on how other people are because

(01:58:49):
sometimes people do things that doesn't it doesn't make sense
to me. An example of that saying, why would you
be negative towards someone else's research. All right, why can't
Why can't we as a team, or why can't we
as a crypted society? Uh, just work together as a team.
We get so much more complicated, so much more accomplished

(01:59:10):
if we work together as a team. The problem with
that is, and Daniel put it and pointed out, it's
it's somebody always wants to be the alpha, somebody always
wants to be the big dog, all right, And the
community itself can be quite nasty, and it can I think,
I don't think any one of us is disputing that.

(01:59:31):
My biggest problem with social media is it's not accepting
of everyone's theories. And if you don't agree with so
and so, then you're wrong. So then you're on this
guy's camp. And if you don't agree with so and so,
then you're wrong, then you're with you know this, this
lady's camp or this individual's camp. It's not designed to

(01:59:55):
make room for everyone's belief system. And that has nothing
to do with social media. That is the cryptid community itself. Now,
the thing that makes us different at American Cryptied and Paranormal.
There I just said, it's in our title. We do
cryptid and Paranormal and for us, you know, Daniels talked

(02:00:15):
about a ufologist, we investigate UFO sightings that we are ufologists.
We kind of do the whole gambit. But because of that,
I think it gives us a much better understanding of
how people interpret things that they've seen, the events they've experienced,
and what they're taking from it. So is social media

(02:00:38):
To answer your question, is social media helpful? Much like
Daniel said, it is and it's not. It depends on
how it's used. Could it be a force to help
everyone better get along and understand the information that people
are gathering? Of course, But the problem is, Chris, how
are you going to take the ego out of the equation.

(02:01:00):
And the other thing is when people get great evidence,
they always think they can monetize that. I've had We've
done ghost tours. I've had people on my ghost tours.
They take a picture, They'll get some kind of image
they think is a ghost. I've had somebody, Hey, can
you share that with us? Oh no, I'm going to
sell it. Okay, who's going to buy that? There's this

(02:01:22):
delusion that if you're in the paranormal realm or in
the cryptid realm, that all you need is one picture
and you're going to be rich. Or one video clip
and you're gonna be rich. Or one TikTok and you're
gonna be rich. Or one tweeter twitter or was it tweet,
I'm sorry, a tweet and you're gonna be rich. It's
not how that works. That is not how it works.

(02:01:44):
So it's almost like you want to form an organization
to say, all right, listen, let's all join an organization,
you know how, like Moufon does it. We should have
something like that for cryptids, you know, crypton or something
like that, I don't know, whatever, you know, whatever you
want to call it, but an organization that specifically you know,

(02:02:05):
works together. And I'm sure it's been attempted, you know,
but it's just so hard to find people that are
willing to put all their evidence and all their beliefs
and all their theories out there, because you know, they
do get ridiculed if you don't agree with someone. You know, fine,
this is it's your god given right not to agree
with someone, but you don't have to be nasty about it.

(02:02:27):
And that's that's where the problem, that's the underlying problem.
The way I see it is is people can't seem
to be polite and I don't know why. It makes
no sense to me.

Speaker 4 (02:02:38):
Well, and you have people out there too.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
If you put something on social media, and you know,
we put evidence on our social media is you know,
I run Hirst Paranormal encrypted. I've got stuff out there.
We've got stuff on American cryptied and paranormal. People will
steal it. They not only steal it, but people when
you put it on solidial media, people try and just

(02:03:01):
rip it apart and it starts arguments.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
And there's no real reason for that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:08):
And that's part of why when we put something out
we don't say, okay, this is a ghost looking out
the window, or you know, this is Bigfoot playing uh,
you know Piggy toes with his son, because we can't
say for sure.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
Yeah, that's why we always leave everything up. Every every picture,
we take, every video, we post everything. We say it
is up to you to decide what this is. This
is what we think it is. I don't think we
have ever ever posted anything that definitively says this is
a big foot, this is a gugwy, this is a sasquatch.
We don't do that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
And you know, the more eyes on something. And that's
that's another thing with social media. If people could control theirselves,
the more eyes on a picture the best, because Christian,
you're going to see something I might not see. You
want to see something that that Christian might not see.

(02:04:07):
And people could in whatever community you're a part of,
whether it's crypted or paranormal, whatever, if you could be
adult enough to be a part of that group and say, look,
I see such and such instead of now what, you're
stupid because I see this, You're wrong. It's all about

(02:04:28):
an approach. But people are also afraid to put their
stuff out there because it gets stolen, it gets ridiculed,
things like that. So you know, there's there's a lot
of back and forth with social media. It could be
a really good thing, but there's people be a perfectly
good format if it weren't for people.

Speaker 6 (02:04:50):
And you can't you can't top that. It's it's sad,
but it's true. Chris, you know, and I know you.
You know you're on social media a that's part of
what you do. And I mean, you see how people
are and it's it's not it's not necessary in my opinion.
I just I just like I said, I just wish

(02:05:11):
there was a way to get everyone to work together.
Think all we could accomplish is if we came together
as a cryptid community and said, Okay, here's what I got,
here's what you got, here's where I find this. All right, okay,
what is this? What's that you know? The amount of
information we could regale with each other would be phenomenal.
But again, as Tiny said, the problem with that is

(02:05:33):
there's people in the way.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
I'll say this though, the haters and the nice sayers,
for those investigators.

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
Out there that are legitimate and that are.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
No let me take that back, for those investigators out
there that are in it for the right reasons, the
ones that won't approve it, or the ones that are
in it just for the love of being in it.
The naysayers, the haters, all of those negative people help

(02:06:10):
keep those people straight because, and I say this speaking
mostly for myself, when I look at at a piece
of evidence before I put it on a social media platform,
I tear it apart. I try to think like the debunkers.

(02:06:32):
I try to think like the haters, the naysayers. They
helped me be a better investigator, and a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (02:06:42):
Could really benefit.

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
From adopting that thought process, because it's not about.

Speaker 4 (02:06:49):
Me wanting them to say, yeah, that's a ghost.

Speaker 5 (02:06:55):
It's about me going, look at this cool anomaly I
got here. What do you think about it? And I
don't care if you dislike it, but I do look
at what you tell me, and I try and look
at it from your perspective, because you have to. If
you can't debunk your own stuff, then you're.

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
Doing something wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
And that's the first thing you have to do is
try and to bunk your own evidence because somebody will somehow,
and if you want to be able to defend your evidence,
you need to be able to think from their perspective,
so they help keep me straight.

Speaker 6 (02:07:32):
I think it definitely makes us a lot more fussy
about what we post. I mean, I know it does
mean because I do the same thing. I'm like, before
I post anything, is there anything in here that doesn't
look right? Or someone's going to tear apart? And you know,
sometimes it's there. Sometimes I see it, Sometimes that don't.
But that's why we always put the word possible evidence.

(02:07:55):
All right. I'm not saying it's definitive evidence. I'm saying
it's possible evidence. That's the difference. We are intelligent enough
to understand that there's going to be people out there
no matter what we post, are going to rip it apart.
That's why we just preface it as possible evidence. I
have never wont to post it anything. So this is definitive.
That's what it is. Boom. There's no other question about

(02:08:17):
it that you know, because you can't because there is
a small chance, as small as it is, it's still
a chance that it could be something else. Now even
if you see it happen, even this, that and the
other thing, it doesn't matter. You could have something on video,
you could have crystal clear four K. Someone's going to
find a flaw with it. And you know, I mean,

(02:08:38):
look at we still can't even people are still questioning
the Patterson Gimblin field from nineteen sixty seven. All right,
come on, it's it's always just going to be there's
always going to be that subset out there, you know.
And and Daniel's right in a way, they're beneficial because
they keep us on our toes because before we think
we have some kind of proof here, let's look and

(02:08:58):
let's see what that. You know, I don't like calling
anyone a hater. I just say the naysayers because they
may just be you know, completely convinced that people in
the crypt and the paranormal rom are just crazy. And
I get that, you know, but that's their right to
believe that. But if you're showing them some evidence that
it's hard to refute, then that might change their mind. So,
you know, I just say nay, I call them naysayers.

(02:09:21):
But on the flip side of that, I just don't
expect people. There's no need to be mean or malicious
to anyone. When people pose something and they're actually being
earnest about what they're doing and trying to show you
what they've found, you know, take that into consideration. Just
be nice. It's it's easy to be nice, you know.
It's it's a lot easier to be nice than it

(02:09:42):
is to be mean.

Speaker 5 (02:09:44):
Well, and you know, one of the really difficult parts
about what we do, and really any investigator, the definitive
proof comes as a personal experience. Okay, you know, we're
we're out here, we're looking for fuck Christian.

Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
You and I run into big Fuck. We're looking big
Foot in the eye.

Speaker 5 (02:10:06):
You know, he's standing there picking his nose looking at us,
going why are these hairless monkeys in my woods? And
we're too excited to take a picture, or we take
a picture and somebody goes not let somebody in a suit. Okay,
we know it wasn't somebody in a suit because we
had that personal experience. You can't record that personal experience.

(02:10:29):
You can't record how looking bigfoot in the eye made
you feel. You can't really communicate that to somebody else.
That's your definitive proof. You'll never have definitive proof unless
you can taste it, touch it, feel it. And as

(02:10:50):
an investigator, we believe what we believe. We investigate because
we've had these definitive personal experiences. The people that come
to us come to us because they've had these personal
experiences and they either want help or they want understand,
and they want somebody to go know you're you're not crazy.

(02:11:10):
You know this stuff happens. And the people that have
never had a personal experience are either going to believe
because they want to or not believed because they've never
experienced it. And there again, you go into a whole
lot of human nature stuff. When you go into that,
a whole lot of a whole lot of sich and

(02:11:34):
Chris Sick is my first love. I spend a lot
of time in the medical field twenty some odd years,
and I bring a lot of that into what I do.
You know, you have to you have to bring the
human into the paranormal. But without that personal experience, you
never you're not going to have that definitive proof. I

(02:11:55):
think even if somebody did bring a sasquatch in and
lay it on a table, there's still going to be
people going, no, that's fake because they don't want to
believe it.

Speaker 6 (02:12:05):
Well, because it changes their whole reality. Daniel. I mean,
you know, Tony, how many times have we talk to
people and said, oh, that's not real.

Speaker 3 (02:12:12):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:12:13):
And and again, I'm a man, I'm a very religious man.
But there's people out there that if Bigfoot was to
be proven real, that's going to shake their faith. And
again I don't see why it should, but it would.
And and that's the difference is You've got there's people
out there that are convinced that they know exactly what's

(02:12:35):
walking on this planet because that's that's that's it. They
know just because they know there's no room for ifs
Ands or Butcher maybies. This is the way it is,
and that is it. So it's just kind of hard
to deal with anyone like that, especially when you're dealing
with the crypt and the paranormal realm. So it's it's
just that subset of people that you're never going to
be able to get along with, or you're never gonna

(02:12:56):
be able to convince. You could bring in a live
one and say, hey, this is you know Frank. You know,
he's a North American primate. You know, he's nine foot
tall and he weighs twenty three hundred pounds, and you know,
primarily he eats berries, but on occasion, you know, he'll
grab a deer or an elk, and he needs ten
to twelve thousand calories a day to keep him going.

(02:13:18):
They drink six callons of water. You could show him
all that and they still wouldn't believe it. So, I mean,
it's a condundrum.

Speaker 5 (02:13:25):
That's not a natural occurring ay that's genetically engineered by our.

Speaker 4 (02:13:29):
Government for exactly reason.

Speaker 6 (02:13:32):
Exactly it's the military. The military Industrial complex did it?
Sam Adoma. I love it when people say dog Man's
new dog Man's is a genetic experiment that got out,
or dog Man's an alien. We've had the Sinocephale here
since the Egyptian times, probably some Marian times. The Toll Text,

(02:13:53):
the Mayans, the Aztext, They've all had depictions of the Sinocephale.
So unless they've been, you know, know, coming here on
vacation for the last few millennia, i'd say they've been
a natural creature here for a long time. But again
that's just my thoughts on it, and someone might have
a different one. The problem is is I'm more than
willing to accept someone else's thought process, but yet someone's

(02:14:16):
not willing to upset, understand and accept my thought process.
And that's where you usually have any issues.

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
Both of you guys bring up very good points, and
I have to say it was really informative listening to
you guys, because you really do bring up a lot
of interesting information reference to this, and I'm glad that
I brought up the question and the way I went
about a lot of these with a very good way
of going about it, because I think you guys delivered
something that not many like to be open about. And

(02:14:50):
I like to ask that because it needs to be
more open because people are taking cryptive research and paranormal
research as Roulette as ways for making money, way for
people to get fame. We tell bullshit stories to get
money because it works because humans are so gullible to
believe anything in terms of the most ridiculous of things.

(02:15:12):
And don't get me wrong, there are times, and I'm
not saying it sounds like I contradict what I believe in,
but it's really not. Because if you're gonna tell me
that Bigfoot is gonna do a summersault and magically going
through a portal, rip a goat's head off with a punch,
and do all these Chuck Norris type things, then I'm

(02:15:33):
gonna have a hard time believing. That, is my point,
and it's.

Speaker 6 (02:15:37):
Very I have to say something, all right, Bigfoot does
not mess with Chuck Norris. That's all I want to say.

Speaker 3 (02:15:46):
I was gonna say, but that's why he copies them.
But you know, it's just like the whole basis of
it just gets so criminally out of control. And I'm
glad that you guys said what you had to say
because it needs to be addressed. Well, guys, before we
do conclude the show, I want to thank you guys

(02:16:06):
for coming on it once more. It's great to hear
from me again, Christian and Daniel you as well. We
had a more bigger, in depth conversation compared to last time.
And I think you guys are very good informative adults
and gentlemen. And before you guys do go, though, can
you please promote everything you guys got going on right now?
Where can we find you? What's your upcoming research investigations?

(02:16:27):
What is going on?

Speaker 6 (02:16:29):
Well, I'll be honest, Chris, we've been so busy trying
to play catch up from COVID. We've got more irons
in the fire than we can shake a stick at.
But everything we're doing you can find us on americancryptid
paranormal dot com. We also have a podcast you can YouTube,
American American Encrypted Paranormal Society and our Funny enough, the

(02:16:53):
name of our podcast is called also called Beyond Fringe.
But you know, I don't think anyone's gonna get us mistaken,
and if they do, that would definitely be on our
side because you've got a lot more followers than us,
and so thanks in advance. But if anyone ever wants
to reach us, or they want to be part of
our show, or they want to give us some information
or they want to tell us encrypted or paranormal story,

(02:17:16):
they can get us at eight to eight four zero
seven zero zero four to six. And Daniel, if you
want to tell them about your organization, that'd be great.

Speaker 5 (02:17:29):
I operate Hurst Paranormal Encrypted and that is h U
R s T Paranormal Encrypted. And if you want to
reach out to me, ask any questions, tell any stories
you know, talk about Christian a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
That's okay.

Speaker 5 (02:17:47):
You can reach me at First Paranormal at gmail dot com.
I have a little bit of stuff on Facebook and
a little bit on YouTube under the same name.

Speaker 4 (02:17:58):
Though I have been slack.

Speaker 5 (02:18:00):
I've been working to jobs seven days a week lately,
but I'm getting ready to put my toes back into
the water stup to speak and get some stuff going.

Speaker 6 (02:18:14):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, we just recorded another
podcast for American crypt and Paranormal last night, so we'll
be putting that up soon. We are also revamping our
website so they're gonna some changes there. And again you
can get us on Facebook. We're on Instagram, I believe
it's at Society Cryptid for Instagram and Astrocryptid on Twitter.

(02:18:41):
And like I said, if anytime you want to get
in touch with either one of us, feel Please feel free.
We're more than happy to answer any questions, help out
any way we can. Our main goal is to help people,
and that is what we truly enjoyed doing, so please
feel free to reach out and we'll be more than
happy to help you if we can well