TVF - EP09 - Paranormal Horror and Cryptozoology - W/ James L Ash and James Hershey Jr. - The Venomous Fringe

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight on The Venomous Fringe.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
The hardest part is not dealing with the demons or
malevolent spirits or any of that. That's actually fairly easy.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
He had people who watch these TV shows and they
think there's somebody and they go out and get people attacked,
and they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
And there was a guy who had a demonic attachment
and he had a wife and he had a little girl.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
And I think this is another dimension kind of creature.
And then people are going to say, well, how do
you figure every time this thing gets seen, something bad happens.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Our world is filled with darkness that nobody can explain.
In what we face, we also encounter the work of evil.
Join us tonight as we dive into subject matter of
something wicked and macam that inflicts our modern world. You're
listening to the Venomous Fringe.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Welcome to the show tonight, Ladies and gentlemen. On the
show to Venomus Fringe, we are sitting down with Old
Boy and Hershey of staring into the abyss. You can
find them on Para X Radio and of course tonight
talking all things mysterious and macabre that inflict our world. Gentlemen,
Welcome to the Venomous Fringe tonight. How are you guys
doing great?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Brother? Thanks for having us pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm honored to have you guys. This has been such
a long time coming. We've known each other for about
eight years now, and the last time we tried to
do a show was around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and
it's crazy to think that after so many years have passed,
we still remain in contact and now here we are,
and I'm happy that you guys are doing this show.
I'm very excited to be talking with you guys tonight.

(01:53):
So the first and most prominent question. Like superheroes and
super villains, we all have origin stories of how we
got ourselves into the things we do. So I want
to ask my first question to you guys, where did
this all begin? What was your interest in the world
of the unknown, paranormal, crypto, UFO, demonology, all of that.

(02:13):
Where did you guys begin? Where did it all start?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
For me? It's pretty much since childhood. I had a
very strange beginning. Ever since I can remember when I
was real, real little, I've had nothing but nightmares every night,
and the dreams that I have are absolutely terrifying, and
so the audience knows I'm a best selling author. I
wrote the Iron Legion series and Call the Wind Spirits,

(02:40):
and all of my books came directly from the dreams
that I would have every single night. And I used
to get the exact same dreams over and over and
over again. It was a series of them, and they
would just keep repeating. It would go through all of
the dreams and then it would repeat over and over
and over again. And this went on for about a
day decade of my life when I was very young,

(03:03):
as like my earliest memories, and I've never had like
normal dreams. There always that And what got me drawn
in the beginning to the paranormal was the idea of
trying to figure out what in the same hell is
going on? Why am I dreaming this stuff every night?
I mean, it's horrible. If you've ever read my work,
it is absolutely terrifying. It is graphic, it is gory,

(03:25):
it is next level, you know. So the stuff that
I'm dreaming is something that a little kid should never
be seen. But I'm in the dream, you know what
I mean. I can't interact with anything. Nobody can see me.
Nobody can hear me. I'm just there as a bystander,
I guess you would say, But it feels so real,
like I can smell everything, I can feel everything. It's

(03:46):
like I'm actually standing there in the scene when it's happening.
So I was also like a science nerd. I was
involved with MENSA, and I worked with NASA later on
in my life and all of that. So I like
to read stuff like Scientific American and Discover magazine, all
those kind of things. And I came across this article

(04:06):
on dream journals, and at the time, I'd never heard
of a dream journal before. It was like a new
concept back then. I'm old as hell, so it was
a long time ago. This is like early eighties, I
think late seventies, early eighties, something like that. And I
see this article and I thought, man, that's a good idea.
I ought to do that. I ought to get myself
a dream journal and write these suckers down and maybe

(04:29):
I can figure out what the hell's going on why
I'm having them. Because in the article they talked about
how your dreams are representations of your subconscious and what
you're actually seeing is that what it actually is? And
it actually stands for something else. There's a whole old
hoopla about it. I'm sure everybody knows this for many
many years. But anyway, I thought, that's a good idea.
I'm gonna do that.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I couldn't afford no fancy dream journal because I'm just
a poor redneck from the mountains at the time, right,
I ain't got no money. So I go down and
I buy myself a little viral notebook like you would
buy for school. I think they're like twenty five cents
thirty five cents now. Back then, I think it was
a nickel if I remember correctly, nickel or a dime
or something like that. That I paid for it. So

(05:09):
I bought that and I set it beside my bed,
and I figured, Okay, I'm gonna write these things down
when I wake up in the morning, and then I'm
gonna try to figure out what they mean, what's going on.
So I did that. I started writing them down, and
I noticed something very weird, like I never did figure
out what they stood for or what they meant. It
was all nonsense, you know what I mean. But one

(05:30):
thing I noticed is once I wrote them down, they
didn't come back because I've been having this same cycle
of dreams for like a decade now. It was like
twenty or thirty dreams. There's a lot of dreams, but
they would just keep coming, and it would like all
of them would play night after night until I was
finished with them all, and then they would start over again.

(05:51):
And then they would just go through that cycle over
and over and over again. But when I wrote them down,
they didn't come back, and I thought, that is crazy,
I'm not having that dream anymore. But then like a
whole new story started, a whole new series of dreams
that I'd never seen before, and it was just as
bad as the ones that I had been dreaming. So

(06:12):
I just continued to write them down, Write them down,
write them down. So I've always been a writer. I've
always been somebody that was very very good at writing stories,
telling stories. It was a gift that God gave me,
but I never did nothing with it. I ended up
working all kinds of jobs. Like I said, I worked
for NASA for a while, you know, I worked in

(06:32):
a lab. I worked as a forklift driver. I've done security,
I was a musician for many years. I've done all
kinds of stuff and my grandfather ended up getting cancer,
and it was one of those nasty ones, like they
grew on it and you could see it from across
the street. It was like one of big puppies. So
he got that on his neck and it was bad,

(06:53):
and the doctors basically told him, you got about two
weeks to live, bro, so you're gonna have to go
home and get your affairs in order because you're gonna
be checking out soon. And my grandfather was not a
nice man. He used to beat all of his kids
growing up. He used to beat me with an axe handle.
And nobody wanted to really help take care of this

(07:17):
man because of the way he had treated everybody. And
I was part of that group that said, screw this guy.
I'm not helping this guy man, no way. You know,
he's been beating me my whole life. The hell with him.
And then I got that feeling. And those of you
watching are believers, you'll know that feeling when God's talking

(07:37):
to you and you can just feel it in your
gut and your soul and you're like, ah, man, I
got to do this, you know, And it just kept
pulling me that I have to take care of this man.
I have to take care of this man. Now. Remember
I don't want to take care of this man. I
got nothing to say to him. You know, he doesn't
like me. I don't like him. I don't want to
do this. But God just kept on pulling me and
pulling me. So I went to my job and I said, look, man,

(08:00):
my grandfather got cancer. He's got two weeks to live.
He's gonna die soon. I gotta I gotta have a
couple of weeks off because I got to take care
of him until he's gone, you know. And my job
basically told me, no, you can't have the time off
because we need you here. We can't spare you right now.
And this was a time before, like FMLA was a

(08:20):
big thing, and like you, you just had to do
what your job said. If they said no, it was
just no. There was no recourse really, But once again,
I just kept getting that voice inside of me that
just kept telling me, you gotta do this. So I
did the unthinkable. I walked off my job. I quit.
I said the hell with you. Then, if you ain't

(08:40):
gonna give me what I need, then I'll just find
a new job when I when I'm done with this,
because I gotta do this because God's telling me I
gotta do it, so I gotta. I gotta listen. So
I walk off my job. Now I had just gotten
married to a smoking hot chick who used to be
a stripper. Way out of my league, dude, my league,

(09:01):
remember poor a redneck from the mountains. You know what
I mean. I'm not rolling like that. I don't have
it like that, you know, way out of my league.
And I'm thinking, what did I just do? What did
I just do? I just walked off my job. I
don't have any money. How am I going to pay
my bills? I just got married. This is madness? What
am I doing? But I did what I did because

(09:22):
God made me do it, you know what I mean.
I felt it inside that I had to do it,
So I did it so i'd take care of this man.
One week turns to two weeks, turns to three weeks,
turns to a month, turns to six months. He don't die,
he just keeps on a living. Now during this time,
I don't have any money. You know, he's not paying me.

(09:44):
I don't have any cash coming in. And I got
to pay the bills because I got a new wife.
And so I would just do little things, you know,
with mo lawn here, I'd paint a room here. You know, hey,
you need somebody to help you take your trash. I
got you man, twenty bucks. I'll run that for you. Whatever.
Just hustled, man, do what you gotta do to make
that money, to make those bills. And every month I

(10:06):
would just squeak by bro. I would just barely pay
those bills every month, not have a whole lot left after.
I mean, I was eating a lot of ramen and
Kraft macarine cheese and stuff like that, but I didn't
have much to spare. But I made the bills every month.
But this goes on for seven years. Seven years. That
man lives until finally and he had beaten the cancer

(10:27):
until finally the cancer came back and it spread throughout
his whole body. He was way too weak from having
the cancer before doing chemo radiation and all that. He
couldn't go through it again. He wouldn't survive. So he
just kind of gave up and stopped beating and drinking
and ended up passing. But he lasted for seven years.
He got to meet his great grandchildren who came into

(10:48):
world after his diagnosis. We actually ended up having a
good relationship, so that was a really cool thing. But
during that time, there was a long period of time
there where I'm just kind of hanging out out and
I'm making his meals, I'm wiping his butt, I'm changing him,
I'm doing all those things right, but we're not really
talking because he doesn't really like me much, you know,

(11:09):
and I don't really have nothing to say to that man.
So there's a lot of dead air. Man, there's a
lot you know what we call in the radio business,
dead air where then that's the worst thing in the world.
So I just started working, you know. I started writing
because that's something I always love to do, and I'd
always wanted to write a novel, but I was always
scared to death because it's such a monumental task. It's

(11:31):
so frightening, you know, And so I thought, I got
nothing but time. I'm sitting here with his guy that
won't talk to me, so I might as well start writing.
So I just started, you know, writing it ironically in
another spiral notebook, just writing. And what I decided to
do was to take all of those dreams that I've
been writing in my dream journals, all these years and

(11:51):
use them as the basis of a novel. You know.
I started with the first series of dreams that it
lasted a decade, that ended up being the Legion trilogy,
and that's what I started with. Now. The funny thing is,
like all the scenes I got from the dreams, like
the bare skeleton of it, the bones, the framework. It's
fleshed out as I write it, but the main part

(12:14):
is there. The bones are there. But when I got
the dreams, they weren't in any particular order. They were
all scattered, so you might have a middle part in
the beginning, a getting part in the end. You know,
it's all mixed together. And I would just write them
down as they came. So I had to go through
these journals and reread them and kind of try to
put them where they go so it makes a narrative sense.

(12:35):
And so that's what I did. And I didn't really
make outlines or anything. I just got a basic idea
of what the story was going to be from the dreams,
and then I just sat down and just started writing
it and just let it flow through me and do
what it did, you know. And the funny thing is,
I've got four best selling novels, and none of them

(12:57):
had a second draft, Like everything you read is what
I wrote originally. I went through and I read it,
and I checked for spelling and grammar, and I made
sure everything was cool. But I didn't have to change
anything because they were just amazing the way they were,
you know what I mean, they were really really good.
They're like edge of your seat kind of horror thriller
type books, right, And I think that's because I didn't

(13:20):
plan it out, you know, I just let it flow.
Every story once to be told. So if you just
give it its space and you let it live and
you let it tell itself, there's not a whole lot
you have to do other than be the scribe that
kind of writes it down, you know. So that's kind
of how I got started into the paranormal as far
as my interest in it. And then as I was

(13:41):
growing up, when I was a teenager, I got in
with a group of Native Americans, group of Cherokee. Because
I got Cherokee in Blackfoot and Irish and Scottish and
German and Norse in me. I'm not like I'm muck.
I've got all kinds of stuff. But I used to
go to the pow wows for the Cherokee and I
got in with this group of guys who did this living.
They would go out and they would basically hunt things,

(14:04):
you know, they would do the ghost hunting thing. They
would do cryptid things, They would mess with all kinds
of stuff, elementals, skin walkers, all kinds of stuff. And
they kind of just took me under their wing because
I was interested in it and because I was very
smart and taught me, you know. So I spent many
years working with them, and then I got in with

(14:25):
the church and I got into doing demonic cases and
exorcisms and stuff like that. And what I specialize in
now is emotional and spiritual healing, which is going in
and actually casting out all the demons that are attached
to you and healing the wounds in your soul, getting
you over your traumas, closing those doorways so the demons
can't come back. You know. That's kind of what I

(14:46):
do now as far as that. And then we do
the shows obviously staring and We're screwed, and we were
doing Tales for a long time, Tales from the Abyss,
that's like our show that was a video show basically
that would document these cases that we worked where we
go in and help families and you know, cast out
demons and those kind of things. And we kind of

(15:08):
captured all of that on camera and put it up
for everybody to watch. So that's my basic origin story.
I'll let old boy tell his.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Thank you brother.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I am old boy from staring into the abyss, We're screwed.
I'm also a horror author. I just wrote my book.
It just came out even without a face. It's how
a character no face that we plan on doing something
very big with it in the near future. I've also
do a lot with the paranormal world. I'm a very
different person. If you notice, I'm a lot different than James.

(15:41):
James is a pastor and I'm a Satanist, and we're
very different, and a lot of people trip out about
that because we're very very different world. If you notice
in the background, that's what I'm about. On my necklace,
that's what I'm about. I very live a different lifestyle,
a different world, and I look a lot different than

(16:01):
I did when I did my last interview with Chris
about four and a half years ago. I was about
sixty to seventy pounds bigger. I was unhealthy and I
changed my life. And we've known Chris about eight and
a half years ago. He's been on our show now
numerous times staring. So my origin and why I started
doing this is like the same thing. I've always liked
crypto zoology. I've always liked paranormal. I've always seen things

(16:26):
since I was a kid. I'm very different than most
people who get in this war field. For one, the
TV shows, we have a very much of an opinion
on it. We could be it might be on one
one day, but we're just too honest.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
You know, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
People don't realize when you do those shows, you do
a lot of editing. It's not like everything's going on.
It's like every second action is going on. It takes
hours of hours of editing. About an hour was worse
the footage. It's very boring and very but it's worth
it if you're helping somebody, because that's what we do.
I don't go we do the ghosting and go to
places that's supposed to be haunted, but the people were

(17:02):
having issues and problems. We go in there and help
them and they're very bad issues like the one we've
been dealing with in Long Beach is very bad. It's
about a gentleman who's a famous motorcycle racer in the
nineties and eighties, and he still has issues to this day.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
But I've really got it down.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
He had a disposal sucubus attacking him, trying to sexually
assault him everywhere, to the point where he was going
to unlive himself about a year and a half ago,
and I saved him and somebody that was well known
it was Buddies with Zach Baggins charged them thousands of
dollars and couldn't help them and told him to go
buy his book, her book or whatever.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
One of them.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
He's spent thousands of dollars what I never charged, just
so everybody knows, we don't charge. Now, if it's all
across the other country, you know, that's a whole different
We might have to get fair to fly out there,
but that's a whole different story. I don't charge. I
don't believe in it. It's just you're gonna help somebody.
I don't want to make money off of it.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
I could.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I could make thousands of dollars a week doing what
we do. I'm one of the best in the world.
And I've always said that and I believe that, and
so is Hers. We have a team here in California,
Shadows Pitt, and he has a team in Pennsylvania and
Virginia now because we have a vapor out there. Other

(18:25):
guy that's in uh he works for ghost City Tours
for Pennsylvania and Gettysburg and he knows a lot of
the big name people, so do we. And he's a
part of the show We're Screwed. That's another show that's
a very politics, very controversial, has nothing really to do
with paranormal like Staring does and Tells does.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
It's a whole different thing.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And we have it's a very controversial show, and James
is a very controversial just person like I am.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
We very much say a lot of shit that pisses
people off.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Sorry for my language, but eh, I told you I'm
a very different cat. The way I wrote my book,
I did it in thirty three days and it just
came to me. He sleeps it, I think it and
see it all the time. I see my hell every
day and it never goes away. So I just hurried
up and said, you know what, I could write a book.

(19:18):
So I did I did it all in about thirty
three days. I wrote about two hundred and thirteen pages.
So now it's out. If you guys want to check
it out, it's on Amazon Kendle in hardcover. But if
you like extreme horror, just like him and very violent character,
no faces, and it's from my mind and his world,

(19:38):
so it is what it is. But I've always been
into this. I love it. My wife has stuff touching
her all the time she's in it. She's also on
my paranormal team. She speaks two different languages. She's Spanish
and English. She also can speak German and French, but
she doesn't do it as well. She's done investigations in

(20:01):
Spanish and it's really different. It's pretty cool. My wife's
also a witch, so that's a whole nother story. And
when she sleeps, she's a she. If you ever guys
seen Insidious, she actually lives those dreams. She sees doors.
She does it every night. She'll tell me a story
the next day. I wouldn't want her dreams, but she

(20:21):
can control her dreams and it's really weird. It's very
really hard to explain. You would one day maybe you
could have her on the show. And she can explain it.
She's been on her show explaining this and it's very different.
I used to be able to do it, but I
don't really like it.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
I'm different.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I just see things here, things see things that people
would never imagine.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Evil exist and good exists.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
But it matters what you A lot of people have
a difference of opinion what good and evil is, and
it is what it is. I've seen a lot of things, man,
and it's out there. There's the things you will never understand,
and a lot of people think it's fake or not real.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
And trust me, the devil exist.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And that's just the kind of person I am. I'm
just very different. I believe in a different way. I
doesn't really bother me. I could go into somewhere like
people are very afraid of the going into and Silka
James and he's gone into Penhurst with no problem. I've
done something through Penhurst over California and they said they've

(21:28):
never seen anybody.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Do what I did. I got rid of whatever it
was there.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Because there's people sneaking over there doing rituals and crap.
They do this at the cemetery. We've had a lot
of issues. I've had people I've had. I've I have
a medium as a pastor and he got thrown over
the hill and got his necklace ripped off his cross
and had stuff attacked to him. I've never been attacked
in my life. I don't think James has. I have

(21:53):
seen people get attacked, but doesn't really mess with me.
It's kind of weird. That's just how I am. That
being said, that's pretty much how I became. Since I
was a kid, I would go and get anything in
literature with ghosts and the lockless monster in Bigfoot. Those
are my favorite and if you see my shirt them off. Man,

(22:16):
I love that too, very much into that and the
dog Man who's done so many shows with that. But
that being said, that's it.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
You know, you guys have an origin story, right, and
it could even be a full length book based upon
what you guys have said. It's incredible, you know, I
mean Hershey's case, you know, from a personal experience and
also to having these dreams that inpliced and then and
having you know, it's funny because you know, even for

(22:48):
your case too, old boy. You know you two are
two different on the the in the sense of religion
between Satanism and Christianity, well internal pastor. But one of
the things that I've always been intrigued by between you
two is an incredible dynamic to where it's like, hey,
the belief system is one thing, but the ideology and

(23:08):
the understanding is another thing. And one of the things
I wanted to ask you guys both is how difficult
is it to correspond in such a field with the
gifts you guys have? And I call it gifts because
let's be honest, I mean, everybody has a gift. I
feel it's just a matter of how you utilize it.

(23:29):
But for what you guys have brought to the table,
how difficult is it, especially nowadays in an event where
anybody can easily make something up.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think the hardest part is not dealing with the
demons or the malevolent spirits or any of that. That's
actually fairly easy. The hard part is dealing with the
people you know. I mean, not only do you have
a lot of people that just watched an episode of
ghost Hunters or something and now think that they're paranormal

(24:04):
experts or think that they can do with what they
do on TV, And what they don't realize is what
they do on TV is usually BS. You know, a
lot of that. As Old Boy alluded to, We'll go
on an investigation and spend three days to make a
half hour show. But that's three days of cameras running,

(24:24):
that's three days of filming, that's three days of sound,
that's three days of investigations, three days of doing rim
pods and spirit boxes and EVPs, and I mean all
of that work just to get a half hour and
if you're lucky, you get one or two responses. You know,
that's the reality of the situation. It's not as amazing

(24:48):
as they make it look. You know. So you got
a lot of people out there that don't know what
they're doing. And it's not like I'm trying to say
you guys suck and I'm the best. You know, I'm
a humble guy. I don't believe that at all. You know,
I've said a million times on my show, and I'll
say it right here for everybody here, because I'm not
ashamed of it that under my own power, these things

(25:10):
will rip me to shreds. I am no match for
even the weakest demon on my power. But lucky for me,
I'm not using my power, you know, I'm commanding these
things in the mighty name of Jesus, and every knee
shall bow. You know what I'm saying. I've never had
a situation where anything got out of control. I've never

(25:31):
had a situation where these things don't listen because they
don't have a choice. You know, Old boy talked about
our pastor getting thrown off of a thing. Yeah, I've
seen that kind of stuff happen before. But remember in
the Bible, it talks about if you have the faith
of a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to
move from here to there, and it must listen to
you that you can literally command nature, that you have

(25:55):
authority over these things. He gave authority thus over these
these demonic entities. So it's all about faith. Man. If
you know what a mustard seed looks like, that's a
small seed. Man, It's the most tiny thing. It's like
the head of a pin. And what they're saying is
if you even have that little bit of faith, then

(26:17):
you can move mountains. You know. So dealing with the
demons isn't that difficult? You know, the emotional, spiritual healing
aspect of it, and I do that is difficult, But
It's not difficult because the demons won't go or because
they won't listen. It's difficult because let me explain the process.

(26:37):
Maybe that'll help clarify this for everybody, because this is
something that only a handful of people in the world do, Okay,
so it's not widely known. How So, basically, the way
a demon will will attach to you is everybody goes
through traumas in their life. Okay, these traumatic experiences have

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negative emotions that are attached to them, and what they
do is they create a tiny wound in your very
soul and those negative emotions are attached to that wound,
and that's what a demonic nity will come in and
attach to and feed on, is that negative emotion. So
in the process of emotional healing and spiritual healing, what

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you're doing is you're basic it's almost like therapy. You're
taking somebody back into that place where they had that
trauma in their mind. Okay, you're putting them there in
their mind. It's not hypnosis, none of that. You're just
asking them to go there in their mind, remember what
that was like? Try to put themselves there. You talk
them through it, and then you have them tell you

(27:44):
what emotions they're feeling. So whether it's fear or anger,
or rage or jealousy or whatever, whatever emotions they're feeling
in that moment, the negative emotions you have to identify
so that you can isolate those emotions. Then they hand
those emotions over to gen tell him to take him
away from them. Right, you go through that process, and

(28:05):
then you chill for a couple of minutes. You know,
you cut up, you act stupid, you make them laugh
a little bit, get their mind off of it, get
them calm back down and cool. Because one thing is
when you go back through your traumatic experiences, man, you're
a wreck a lot of times, and you've got to
have that break. You got to have that ah, that breath,
you know, where you can just act goofy and take
your mind off of it for a little bit and
then you get back into it. Then when you get

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back into it, you go right back through it again.
Now what emotions are you feeling? And the interesting thing
is sometimes those emotions, some of them might still be there,
just not as strong. Then other times they are gone
completely after the first session, but new emotions arise. Okay,
So then you've got to work through all of those.
So basically, once you get through a whole situation like

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that and you've cleansed everything, you've cast out all the
demons that are attached, you've gotten rid of all the
negative emotions, that person is able to think about that
traumatic experience and not feel those emotions anymore. Okay, and
I've seen it happen. Once you've done that, you can
ask Jesus to heal that wound in the soul and
he will, and then that person won't have to deal

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with that particular event ever again. Okay. But the problem
is we all have a lot of traumatic experiences in
our life. Okay, We've all gone through a lot of things.
And it doesn't have to be into the world. It
doesn't have to be oh my god, I was sending
it home and Dumbo the elephant flew through the window
with Adolf Hitler riding on his back, and they started

(29:30):
hitting me with a stick. It doesn't have to be
no crazy stuff, you know. It doesn't have to be
the Bigfoot abducted you and took you up on a UFO.
It can literally just be somebody made fun of you
in school, but it was that much of a traumatic
experience that it scarred you and it bothers you to
this day. It has negativity attached to it. That's where
they like to hang out. And the Bible says you

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can cast out a demon and it'll come back, and
it'll bring seven friends and a state of that man
is worse than it was before. Okay. The reason for
that is if you are not a saved individual, okay,
if you do not have the Holy Spirit inside of you,
then you are an empty temple. Okay. If the Holy

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Spirit is in you, no demon can come attached to
you because a demon cannot reside where the Holy Spirit
of God resides. Okay, he just can't do it. So
I don't have to worry about that now. Can they
try to influence my life? Yes? Can they attack me yes?
Can they use other people to attack me? Oh? Hell yes.
And I'll tell you a crazy story about that if

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you want to hear it. I was working a case
doing an exorcism once, and this was back when I
was learning, when I was just getting in with the church,
starting to do exorcisms. After my time with the Cherokee
and my job. Then, I'm six ' five, about three
hundred pounds Okay, I hold a master rank in Sanshaw
kung Fu. I'm a bad, bad man. I'm gigantic, Okay.

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So my job was simply to stand there and look
scary and make sure that if that guy tried to
get up and hurt the pastor who was doing the exorcism,
that I grabbed a hold of him and made him
sit back down in that chair. That was my job, Okay.
I wasn't doing nothing fancy. I wasn't doing nothing spiritual.
I was just the muscle that day. My job was

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to protect the guy doing the exorcism from anything that
might come at it. So He's sitting there doing the exorcism,
and I'm standing there guard like I'm supposed to, and
all of a sudden, some guy who is walking down
the street comes running across the street, kicks this door
open to this house, runs in, and tries to attack
the pastor that's given the exorcism. So I grabbed this

(31:38):
dude and put him to a wall. I did my job.
But that illustrates to you how they can use other
people to attack somebody who's saved. It doesn't have to
be that they possess you or attached to you. They
can use somebody else to get to you. So there's

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a great deal of danger that is involved in this. Now,
another thing I'll tell you about exorcisms and dealing with
these cases. It's not like you see on TV. It's
not Linda Blair with their heads spinning around and vomiting
pea soup across the room. That doesn't happen. You know,
a demon may manifest, and you can get a demon
to manifest through anointing them with holy oil, holy water.

(32:24):
You can recite scripture and they will manifest. They will
get pissed and they will manifest and try to co
match you sometimes, but they can't manifest for very long
at all. It's not something that they can be for
days and days and days. All that stuff you see
on TV. That's not reality, man. You know, the reality.
They might come in for for a couple seconds. They

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might come in for a couple of minutes. It might
be as long as ten or fifteen minutes that they're
really powerful, but it's not going to be an extended
period of time because simply the human being that they're
inhabiting is not going to be able to handle that
for that long. You know, usually the person will either
pass out or get sick. You know, it's demons are

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not supposed to be in our bodies. It's not natural.
So it does a lot of damage to the person
who they are attached to or trying to possess at
that moment. And possession is not something that happens very often.
Possession is very rare. You know, you have attachments, you

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have demons that will manifest sometimes you have that kind
of stuff, But an actual, real possession is not something
that you see very many of you in your life.
TV and movies make it look like like something that
it just simply isn't, you know. So the most difficult
thing is not dealing with the demons. It's not dealing
with the spirits. It's not any of that. You know. Yes,

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there's people that fake because they want to be on TV. Yes,
they'll pretend like something's going on their house. You go
there and you find out the reason you're hearing that
downstairs is because you left the window open and it's
blown a door shut ofls the hall. You know, it's
something simple a lot of times, you know, it's not
always spooky, you know, and some people will just flat
out lie because they want to They want to be

(34:08):
on TV. You know. They think they're gonna get famous
if if we come to their house and believe them,
you know, but you know, people lie. That's what you
got to realize. And the whole point of what we
do is not to be famous. The whole point of
what we do is not for glory. I don't I
don't care if you believe me, you don't believe me.
I don't care if you pat me on the back,

(34:29):
I don't care. I don't make any money from it.
I don't charge I've never charged anybody anything for anything
I do. You know, I do everything for free, so
I don't have anything to gain from doing this other
than doing God's work. You know. I'm trying to help
people and trying to save people, and I'll keep doing

(34:51):
it until I can't do it no more, you know,
until I end up dead, you know. And I don't
think one of these things are gonna kill me. I think,
you know, when it's my time, I'm just going to go.
You know. I've already died once and and came back,
you know, and what I saw was amazing, So I'm
not afraid of death, you know. I look forward to

(35:12):
the day when I can go back. You know, I
don't want it to happen right now because I've got
people that rely on me and need me. You know, well,
I'm going to be here as long as I can
be here to help them and to make sure that
they're okay. But I'm not afraid to die at all.
I know exactly where I'm going, i know exactly what
it's like. I've been there before, and I'm looking forward

(35:35):
to going back, you know. So that's my answer.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
He hit it on the head, huh. He gets old
with the people who want to be famous.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
They watch a lot of ghost adventures, and we have
an issue with that whole You know, people are going
to make their money. I've had to help somebody had
to go to Baggins Museum. I have my opinions on
that place. You're not supposed to have all these cursed
things and make people pay one hundred and twenty dollars
and you get a shirt.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
And you can get a chance of something coming home
with you. And I've already had to help somebody with that.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
You have a lot of people who watch shows and
they think there's some damn investigator, and we've had that
happen with our teams. We had people who've watched these
TV shows and they think there's somebody and they go
out and get people attacked and they don't know what
they're doing and they're having issues. Now I just can't
say certain people's names, but stuff is coming out that
you know, karma comes back on you. We'll just say

(36:26):
that and it is what it is. There's a lot
of people have this misconception that everything is right off
the bat. If you see something like they'll send it
all there's a go And if you tell them it's
we've looked at it, we studied the video or the picture,
there's nothing there, they get pissed off.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
They get mad at you and say you're a liar.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And like you said, you have to be very careful
what you say because then they'll go and blast you
and they don't know what they're talking about. Oh, I've
seen this because there's people who just want to be famous,
they want to be on TV, they want to get known.
I deal with this all the time, so does Hershey
for who we are. I've had people threaten things on me,

(37:14):
women get out of the at a hand, have had
talkers of James has had people show up.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
To his house it happens, and.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Have had people argue with me if oh, that's not real, okay,
you know, if you don't believe me, you go with
me and watch.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
They don't know what to do when they see the truth.
There's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
People who say a lot of things with everything, and
then when it comes to time for them to do something,
they see it and they run because they thought it
was going to be easy. Nothing in life is easy.
That's what the problem is. Everybody wants a shortcut through everything.
And the other thing is is everybody wants to believe
a beautiful lie and know the ugly truth. And that's

(37:53):
what the problem is, and that's what everything in life.
People want a shortcut and they want to become famous
quick and any way they could do it. Like when
we were first doing podcasting nine years ago, it wasn't
there was not that many shows. Now there's there's a
damn show for everything. Paranormal, this, the Dark Room's this,

(38:15):
shadowed people, it's everything. There's ten million trillion paranormal shows
now and crypto shows out there.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
There's million people writing books now.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
It's all because somebody wants to be famous, just like podcasting,
Chris knows what he's doing. I'm gonna tell you guys,
I don't care how long he was gone. He's always
been a pretty good guy who cares what people anybody think.
We've got stuff said to us too. We've never cared.
I don't care what you think. Am I gonna go

(38:45):
to bed tonight? Yes, Jame's gonna go to sleep tonight. Yes,
you're like a windy day. I don't care.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
I never have, I never will.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean I don't seem like in a bad way,
but we know what we're doing, and it's not to
be famous. Like he said, now, if it happens, we're
not gonna go oh no, stop. It already happened for us.
I mean, there's always stuff going on. It has nothing
to do with a paranormal world, and it's not what

(39:15):
we're trying to do. I'm trying to help people, and
there's a lot of these people who watch these TV
shows and they don't know what they're doing. We've actually
had to go with paranormal investigator who should and have
no problem with them going and do ghost hunting, but
going to a house it just made it worse. And
we had to sit there for months and try to
clean this mess up that he threw to us. Don't

(39:36):
hate the guy, he just shouldn't be working with people.
He's a great ghost in hunter with places that are haunted,
but working with people is different. You cannot be a
certain way. You can't treat them like they're just a number.
You can't oh, let me go ahead and put on
I had another investigation. One of the guys got pissed

(39:58):
off because I wouldn't let him put it on TikTok
Live while we helped a ninety year old lady that
was having issues in Apple Valley and we got rid
of it, but he got mad and didn't go back
to and help me out. So me and my wife
and another person did it and it was on our
team JC, our medium, and we ended up quitting because

(40:21):
of that because I wouldn't let him get famous and
get people that shouldn't be on camera and she didn't
want to be on camera, and he got mad about
it and he wanted to blow up his TikTok and
his YouTube page, and we're not about that.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
You start doing that, shit will kick you out. We've
had that issue back.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
East too, with people like that. They have issues all
the time. It just happens, and it's just something you're
always going to deal with. Especially with podcasting, you have
to have a certain personality to be a podcaster. Everybody
thinks they can be a podcaster. Just so you know,
we don't write out anything. We just go along with
the shows you listen to. We ain't sitting there write

(40:59):
in the script, just do them. A lot of people
don't understand. It's like this show we're doing right now.
We're doing this nonscripted. We're doing everything. It's not written down.
I'm not reading a paper. I just know how to talk,
and me and him know how to work together. We've
been doing it for nine years. I've known him for ten.
He's a brother. It don't matter what I believe in.

(41:19):
I believe in loyalty and respect, and that's what he
gives me and I give him. He's my brother. I'll
do anything. Like I said, I'll die for him. He
probably would do the same for me. It doesn't matter
what I believe. He's my brother. So you mess with him,
you mess with me. That's just how it is. We're family.
You mess and that's just how it's going to be

(41:40):
uh and trust me, most people will find that out quick.
F around and you find out very quick. I don't
play around with some of these people in the paranormal.
We've had a deal just recently in Pennsylvania. There's a
guy who we've made a show about. He likes to
bully people, and he likes to attack people of women especially.

(42:03):
He likes to talk down and brainwash people and make
them do stupid stuff and then even stop people, even
attack LBGQ people and try to attack people that have
different sexualities. And we weren't going to put up with it.
And since we did that show, he's kind of losing people.
Now he's backing off. You don't want to do that.

(42:28):
I don't care what you believe in. I don't care
what your sexuality is. But if you're going around buoying
people because what they do it has nothing to do
with ghost hunting or paranormal and that's what you're supposed
to be doing, then we're going to deal with it.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
I don't care. We're not like that.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
We might have our opinions on stuff, but we're not
going to down anybody. We have all kinds of people
on our show.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
And even with the worst crew we've.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Had people like like Dragon, he's a different person. He
has a lot of different beliefs. He's a cool guy.
He's mine from and it actually was a good show.
We did it twice and he was actually a really
cool guy. Once he gets he calms down. He's normal
like me.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
And you just has a different belief system. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
But that's the kind of stuff we do, and I
just don't. I don't want to try to get famous
off of people, and I'm not going to do that.
I've never ever thought about doing that. And I think
people think that, oh, yeah, that's what we're No. I mean,
like I said to anybody, we're not going to turn
a show down. But that's is what it is.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
I'm trying to help people, and that's the first thing.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
And I really get tired of the arguing of the
paranormal world.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
You know how it goes, Chris. It's so cutthroat.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
There's so many people who bad mouth each other, There's
so many people who go behind each other's backs and
spread rumors. It's a very toxic community and we all
know that and we've all dealt with that. But yes,
I do you agree with everything James has said, that's
the same thing as pretty much what I believe in.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
There you go, brother, You know, there's a high level
of narcissism and a lot of people out there who
do believe that, Hey, you know, my content works, but
they don't know that their crap doesn't stink either. And
let's be real, I mean, we've we all can agree
with this. I mean, especially with you two. You know,
you've too have done more investigations. And I would say
that I have because I haven't been in the field

(44:25):
a lot in the last four or five years, but
I can guarantee that in every investigation that you guys
have done, yeah, you've always ran into one person out
there who has definitely felt too recluse or feels like, hey,
you know this, this feels like I can do so
much more with it, because hey, I'm with a group
of people. I can make it work, I can connect,
I can do anything I could to satisfy my own

(44:47):
best need. But then I think about it too in
the alternative of things, and it's like, you know, hey,
people out there who are a brand new into the
crypto field, paranormal, it could be any field crypto, paranormal, UFO, anything.
People will be attracted to what they see and people
always think that, hey, I can make some money off
of this, but I can't because everybody needs to put

(45:09):
in their own profit. I can tell you one thing,
I know you guys have done it too. I've put
money into some of my product and yeah, a blowback
is heavy. But at the same time, too, this is
about This is also a business in many ways.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
You know, you want to.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Materialize the brand. Do you want to offset the brand?
Absolutely not. But at the same time too, like mentioned,
you want to be genuine, you want to be resourceful.
You guys both have an amazing history between the paranormal, cryptids,

(45:47):
UFO and demonology and all things in relation. But there
has there ever been a time where the both of
you and they could be separate stories where you both
sat back in an investment, gation or case and said
I can't do this, not because you couldn't, not because
he didn't want to, but because there was too much

(46:08):
integer and too much of the controversy in between it.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's never been one I had to back out of.
There's been some that were difficult, and I don't mean
difficult in dealing with the the demonic Kennedy. I'll tell
you about one that is actually on the YouTube channel.
It was an episode of Tales that we did, and
it was a heartbreaking case. There was a guy who

(46:35):
had a demonic attachment, and he had a wife, and
he had a little girl, and the demon started attacking
the little girl. Now I had already destroyed the man.
The man was an alcoholic and a drug addict, and
he was just way gone, you know, But it had

(46:58):
started attacking the little girl and getting to the point
where this sweet, beautiful little child who never had any
issues before, started drawing the most horrific cartoons on paper,
people being stabbed, people being shot, people being beheaded, those

(47:19):
kind of things. She started saying that she was seeing
things and hearing things, and that people would come in
her room to night and talk to her. And she
ended up going to a mental institution for a while
because she tried to off herself several times. I say
off yourself, because I don't know what the rules are

(47:40):
as far as how you approach that on whatever platforms
that Chris is going to put it on so everybody
knows what I'm talking about. Take herself out Okay, she
tried to do that multiple times and they ended up
putting her in a mental institution for it. So when
I got called into the case, that's where it was.
It was after the third or fourth attempt of her

(48:03):
to do that to herself, and they had just gotten
her back out of the mental institution again, and they
were at their wits end and they didn't know what
to do, and it was very emotional and they were
all crying and it was a horrible thing. And so
I go into this situation and I got a soft
spot for children and for women. You know, I believe,

(48:25):
and I'm old fashioned like that, but I believe that
that women and children should be protected. You know, they
shouldn't have to go out and do the fighting that
we have to do. We're men, that's our job is
to protect. It's not theirs. They're the ones that were
supposed to be protecting. So whenever I go into a
case and there's one of these things attacking a child

(48:45):
or attacking a woman like that, it gets to me.
And it quite frankly, to be completely one hundred percent
honest when you get pisses me off. And that's something
that is not good because I have to be in
control of myself because I can't go in there mad
because if I go in they're mad, then that's gonna

(49:06):
give a doorway for that thing to get to me,
because that's a negative emotion. Okay, So I've got to
be calm. I've got to be cool. I can't go
in there all fired up. Now. I will get loud
with these things. Sometimes in an investigation, I'll confront them
and call them out, get them to manifest. But that's controlled. Okay,
that's not rage, that's not anger. That's a tactic that

(49:29):
I'm using to get them to manifest. But this actually
made me mad. And so I had to sit with Andy,
who is the guy that runs the Goo City tours
and Gettysburg. That old boy was talking about. He's on
the team here with me, and I had to sit
with him outside and pray with him, and he had

(49:50):
to help me get calm back down, because if I'd
have went in the way I was, I'd have been
in a lot of danger. Well, I got myself together
and I went in. And so we're doing the investigation.
We're talking and everything. We figure out what's going on,
and we kind of sneakily. One tactic that we'll use
is when we're talking, I'll start to recite scripture a

(50:13):
little bit, right. I won't pull a Bible out and
sit there and read it in front of them, because
that's giving them a visual cue that, hey, I'm reading
from the Bible now, so that if they want to
fake anything, they can say, oh, he's reading from the Bible.
I'm supposed to manifest at this point, right. But what
we'll do is I'll just kind of slip it into

(50:34):
conversation like I have here tonight, to where we'll be
talking and I'll say, you know, the Bible says this,
and or you know Scripture says this, but i won't
quote it exactly, but i'll give the gist of it.
I started doing that. Nothing we'll do is we'll take
either holy oil or holy water, and we always carry

(50:56):
little biles of it with us and just kind of,
you know, take a little bit on our fingers and
just kind of, you know, go it behind you. Just
give it a little flick on you from behind. Not
enough for you gonna feel it. You won't even know
what happened, but if there is something there, it'll know
and it's just a kind of a way of testing
and provoking and seeing what's gonna shake loose, you know.

(51:20):
And so we're working the case. So this thing manifests
and we chase this thing all over the place. You know.
We got it on the spirit box, we we got
it hitting multiple rim pods, we got it all over
the house. Okay, So we set up time to do
an exorcism and to cleanse the house and to go

(51:42):
through the whole situation. I go and I pray over
the girl, and I you know, work the whole home.
I seal the whole home with holy water and everything
in prayer throughout the whole place, and I set up
a time to meet with the guy to do the
final exorcism, kick this thing out for good. Right now,

(52:02):
There's a lot you have to do after. It's not
like you do one exorcism and it's done, okay. There's
a lot that has to take place. You got to
go through the emotional spiritual healing process. You got to
make sure that you're good. It really helps if you
become saved, because then you got the Holy Spirit. These
things can't come back and mess with you. There's a
lot that goes into it. It's not just boom boom boom,

(52:22):
You're done. Okay, that's what the movies make it look like.
That's not reality. These things last for weeks, months, years,
sometimes these cases to where you're helping these people over
and over and over again. But we set up a
time to do the exorcism with this guy, Well, that
time comes and he runs. He doesn't want to do it. Now.

(52:44):
He could have simply just called and said, you know,
I'm not doing it, but he was so panicked and
so worried because he wanted this thing with him. He
liked the demon, he wanted it, and he was so
worried that I was gonna make it go away. And
he literally skipped down, ran away, left his wife and
child and bailed, got the hell out of Dodge because

(53:09):
he didn't want the exorcism to take place. So we
helped the wife and we helped the child get set
up in another place and they're okay. The wife is
doing really good. The little girl has not had a
single issue since. There's been no more attempts, no more institutionalizations,

(53:29):
no mental issues at all. She's not seeing a counselor
anymore nothing. She is one percent normal and happy and
loves life, doesn't have a single problem anymore. The wife
is doing amazing. The guy who did not want to
have the exorcism done, I remember I prayed over the
wife and the child, and I cleansed their home. He

(53:51):
ran about six months later, somewhere around six months. He
ended up getting really, really, really sick. He ended up
back in the area. His wife had already left him
at that point because he ran, and he ended up
back in the area, and his liver began failing, and
he went through a long and painful sickness before he

(54:16):
finally died. So that's what happened to him. The demon
won in that case because he simply didn't want it
to go. He wanted it there with him. Now, that
was a hard case for me. It was hard for
a couple of reasons. One because there was a child involved,
and the things that this demonic piece of crap was
doing to this child, making her do to herself, it

(54:41):
was horrific and it pissed me off, and that made
it difficult for me because I can't be pissed off
when I go in there, like I said before, And
also because I lost the guy. Even though the guy
did not want the help, he did not want the extracism.
He ran to avoid it. Even though that happened to

(55:03):
this day, it still bothers me that I was not
able to save him because I could have saved him
if he would have stayed. And that drives me nuts
to this day. I don't like losing and I don't
like it because he wasn't saved. So I know where
he is now. He's going to be burning for all eternity,

(55:27):
and that sucks and I hate that, you know. I
cannot stand it when we lose one. So to me,
that's my story of one that I had to take
a step back for a moment, one that was very
difficult for me. You know. It was easy to deal
with the demon. It was easy to save the child

(55:47):
and save the woman, and it would have been easy
to save the man if he would have stuck around.
But I hated when these things win. I hate it
when people end up lost like that, you know, And
I know that I could have helped them if he
just would have wanted it, you know, And that to

(56:09):
me is the worst part of the job, is sometimes
you lose people, you know, and I don't like to
lose people, especially if they're not saved. I don't like
to lose them because once you're dead, that's it. You
got no more chances then, you know, and that bothers me.

(56:30):
You know, I've never been afraid of these things. I've
never walked in through that. And I've walked into some sketchy,
scary situations, but I've never been afraid when I walk
into one. I'm not worried about these demons. I'm not
worried about anything like that. You know, I chased after
Bigfoot one time, ran after You know, these things don't
scare me because I'm not. I'm not. And it's not

(56:51):
that I'm some big, bad monster. I'm not saying that.
I just I'm not afraid to die. I've done it already.
I know what's waiting for me. You know, I'm not
afraid of it. So once you're not afraid of death,
what the hell they can he do to you? You know?
These demonic things have no power over me. They can't

(57:12):
make me do nothing, they can't harm me. They can try,
they can try to get somebody to attack me or
something like that. I feel sorry for that person, you know,
but I'm not afraid of these things. They're all bark
and no bite. You know, they're not scary. But what

(57:32):
is scary is losing people that you shouldn't have had
to lose. You know, what is scary is failing, you know,
because I don't. I don't do this as a business man.
I don't, like I said earlier, I don't make any
money doing this. I'm not trying to sell nothing. I
don't even want to be famous. I was already famous.

(57:53):
I'm a best selling author. Man. I would go to
the out to eat, I could even eat. People would
be coming up to me at a table and one
picture and signing things and everything. And that's fine, you know,
I don't have no issue with that. I'm not some
stuck up snobby person. You know. I'm all good if
you want to do that. But it gets to the
point where it's like you can't even do anything anymore.
It's not even fun. I don't want that. I don't
want to be famous. I mean it's funny. I was

(58:15):
talking old boy about this just the other night. You know,
I said, once you're famous, man, it don't ever go away. Yeah,
you may not be as successful anymore, you may not
be doing much, but people still know who you are,
and if they see you out in public, they're still
going to approach you and want to picture with you
and all that kind of stuff. You know, it never
really goes away. And I mean, I intentionally tried not

(58:36):
to do things at this point of my life that
will get me even more attention sometimes, you know what
I mean? Because like, I went to the mall and
went to Hot Topic with my daughter and I told
her if if she got a good grades, then I
would buy her this dress that she wanted, and so
that's what we did. She got a's So we went

(58:57):
to buy this dress. So we're standing in and somebody
walking by e sees me and recognizes who I am,
and so they walk in and they start, you know,
fan girling a little bit and kind of going gaga,
and that caused other people to notice, Hey, who is that?

(59:18):
Why are they all fan girling over that guy? You know?
And so long story short, I couldn't get out of
a store. It ended up being where there's a big
crowd of people, and I ended up stuck there for
hours taking pictures. I ended up on the Hot Topic
website because all the manager, all the people that worked
there wanted to take majorres web mees so they can
put it up on the website, all this stuff, and
that's you know, I'm not complaining, man, Please don't get

(59:40):
me wrong. I'm not some prima donna. But all I
wanted to do is buy her address and go at
hell home, you know what I mean. And the majority
of people that were there, and here here's the psychology
of it that's so crazy to me. The majority of
the people that were there crowding me and had me
blocked from leaving, didn't even know who the hell I was.

(01:00:01):
They just knew I was somebody, you know, they could
tell by the way everybody who did know who I
was was reacting to me that I was somebody. But
most of the people had no idea who the hell
I was. They never read my books. You know, I'm
not Tom Cruise famous. I'm not movie star famous. I'm
book famous. Bro Book famous means nothing unless you're a nerd.

(01:00:22):
Like nerds know who I am because I'm book famous.
I'm a best selling author, you know what I mean.
I worked for NASA. I'm a smart, genius guy. I
was in MENSA. Nerds know who I am and a
fangirl over me a little bit the general public. I'm
not famous to the general public unless they've read my work,
you see what I'm saying. So it's a whole different level.

(01:00:44):
So that most of the people in there, he had
no idea who the hell I was. They just thought, Ooh,
a celebrity, ooh, somebody who's famous, and they want to
take pictures. I had people taking pictures with me didn't
even know who I was. People who took pictures with
me posted those picture on their Instagram and didn't even
spell the name right because they had no idea who

(01:01:04):
the hell I was, you know what I mean. Isn't
that a trip? So yeah, man, I don't. I don't
want to be famous, bro. I try. I actively try
not to be famous. But you know, I'm gonna do
things that interest me. I'm gonna do things that I enjoy.
I love doing, staring, I love doing We're screwed, you know.
We work these cases, and the funny thing is we've
got I don't know how many episodes of Tails from

(01:01:25):
You at best fifty or sixty something like that now,
and we don't record most of the stuff we do,
like the majority of the cases we work never get recorded,
they never get filmed, because that's not why we're doing
the cases. It's just when we have something that's very
very interesting and that really manifests well, then that footage

(01:01:47):
might get used if the people agree to it, if
they want it to be used, right. But the majority
of the time, like I film everything on an investigation
so I can go back and watch it and make
sure I don't miss anything. But it's not filmed for
public consumption. It's filmed for our own personal consumption, so
we can go back and check to the evidence and

(01:02:08):
make sure we don't miss anything to help the family.
And then sometimes if something really cool happens, which we've
had a lot of really cool stuff, so I said earlier,
like you're lucky if you hit one or two responses.
That's what these ghost shows go through, is the entire show.
The climax of that show at the end is one
voice or one knock or something like that. That's their

(01:02:30):
big finale. I got whole conversations with these things on camera.
I mean, you can literally go to my YouTube channel
YouTube dot com, Sass James Hershey Jr. Shameless Plug, Numero Uno,
and you can watch them for yourself, and you can
watch the entire conversation take place on the spirit box.
With these things, you can watch that case that I

(01:02:51):
talked about tonight with the Little Girl on the Man.
You can literally watch that case on the channel if
you wanted to see it. You know, it's all document
but it's not documented in a way to like, hey,
we're making a TV show, because that's not what the
intention was when we filmed it. The intention when we
filmed it was let's capture everything that's going on so

(01:03:11):
we don't miss any evidence so we can go back
later and look through this and try to figure out
what's going on here. Is this a demonic attachment, Is
this a demonic presence here in this house? Or is
it some kind of spirit or is it something completely different,
or does it have a rational explanation. You need that
evidence to be able to go back through, and there's
a lot of it. There's a lot of EVP work

(01:03:32):
we do that's just on voice that's like a tape
recorder essentially a digital recorder that you talk to and
then you wait and there's dead space and the spiritual
talk in that dead space. We have EVP work that
we do. There's a rempod, there's cat balls, there's spirit
box work, there's FAsMA box work. There's so much stuff

(01:03:52):
like that that we do in order to try to
figure out what's happening. And the whole thing is basically
like being an investigator. You're a detective. Your whole job
going in there is to figure out what is going on.
Who is hurting these people or is it in their head?
Are they making it up? Is it real? If it's real,
are they in danger? What is it that's happening? What

(01:04:14):
can you do about it? You know, what is your
advice to this family? And that's where old boys said
something very poignant earlier that the gentleman he was talking
about that we had to take over that case. And
that was another case that was a weird one because
there was a baby that was getting hurt in that case.
It was insane. But that guy was good at haunted locations,

(01:04:37):
but when he had to work actual cases with people,
he had no idea what to do. So he goes
into this situation with his own attachments that he brought
from all these other locations and brought them to that
location where he was going with the child and made
that situation even worse than it should have been. It

(01:04:57):
should have been an easy fix turned into not so
easy a fix to where I literally had to pray
over the guy on the phone and an old boy
had to go there over and over and over again
in order to solve that thing and to get it fixed,
you know. And it shouldn't have been like that. It

(01:05:17):
should have been an easy thing because it was just
a low level spirit in the beginning. But this guy
shows up bringing a lot of really heavy malevolent stuff
with him from all of these other haunted locations he
had been to. Because that's what I was talking about
earlier too. People that don't know what they're doing. They
watch ghost adventures or something, and they think that they're

(01:05:38):
ghost hunters. They don't understand. They don't know that you
have to pray up before you go in. They don't
know about cleansing yourself. They don't know how to protect
themselves so that these things can't follow them home. They
have no idea what they're doing. They've just watched a
couple of TV shows and they think that they're experts,
and they walk around like they're big and bad. And
my advice to anybody, anybody because you mentioned this earlier, Chris,

(01:06:02):
about people that were enthusiasts that enjoyed watching the shows
and wanted to get into it or something. My advice is,
watch it on TV, stay home, don't do it. Don't
get into this work unless you are cold to get
into this work. If you're not called by God to

(01:06:23):
do it, I wouldn't do it. Because what people need
to realize this isn't fake. This is real. There are
things that go bump in the night and they got
teeth and they will bite your ass. You will get hurt,
you will end up with attachments, you will end up
having your life destroyed, and someday you'll probably go out

(01:06:47):
on your shield because a lot of times it ends bloody.
And that's the reality of what we do. Now. We
are in a situation that we don't we don't get
attacked the way other people get attacked. Now, as I
said earlier, that's not because I'm Superman, that's not because

(01:07:08):
I'm big and bad. That's because I got God with me,
and I don't care how big and bad a demon
thinks he is. He ain't nothing compared to the almighty
creator of the universe. God is what protects me. I
don't protect me. If God doesn't ride with me into

(01:07:28):
a place, Dude, I'm doomed. I am so screwed, bro.
You know, I can't defeat these things without it. It's
God that does the work. I'm just a mouthpiece, you know.
And that's what people don't understand, is this stuff is
real and it is dangerous. I have seen so many

(01:07:49):
people hurt. I've seen so many people diluted. Man, to
think that they have demons under control, that think that
that the demons are going to help them and be
their friend and all this stuff, and they ride with them, man,
and they think that they're doing good. They think, oh,
look how powerful I am. What they don't understand they're
just a demon's plaything and they're gonna end up in hell.

(01:08:11):
They are so deluded. And I've seen it over and
over and over again. And that's the kind of stuff
that happens to people when they get in this field.
And we haven't even got into all the drama and
the gossip and the schoolboy nonsense that takes place in
the paranormal field, you know. And as far as podcasting
and shows and if people want to do that, my

(01:08:34):
advice to you, guys, just be yourself. Don't worry about likes,
don't worry about views, don't worry about who's watching, who
ain't watching. None of that matters. All that will come,
all that will come. Just be you. Be real, don't
be fake. Don't talk in your radio voice where you

(01:08:55):
talk like this, how you doing? Everybody, welcome to the show.
You don't have to do that crap. Just be you.
People don't like that. People like authenticity. People like real.
People like people that they can hang out with and
talk to. They want a real conversation. Old Boy said
that we don't write scripts and stuff for our shows.
That's true. You know what's funny, and you're gonna trip

(01:09:17):
out about this. Some days we don't even know what
we're doing until we hit record. We have no idea
what we're gonna talk about. Like literally, old boy will
call me on Skype and you go, what's the show
on tonight, bro? And I'll see hell, I don't know, man,
Let's hit it record and see what happens, and then
we'll hit record. In an hour and a half, two

(01:09:38):
hours later, you've got a deep dive into some subject
that only a few people in the world know. About
because I studied it when I was like twelve in
the library when everybody else is out having fun, but
I wasn't because I'm a dork, you know what I mean.
I'm sitting in a library like a nerd with a book.
You know, that's just kind of the way it goes.

(01:09:59):
You know, lots of times we have no idea what
we're going to talk about until we get on and
talk about it. You know, Chris didn't let us know
what we were talking about it all tonight. You know,
we just came on because Chris is a brother man.
We love that guy. And to you, Chris, I'll tell you, man,
thank you for having us on tonight. And anytime that

(01:10:19):
you want me on, you just reach out to me
or reach out to Old Boy. You got our full
support and our full love, and I'll always show up
for you, Bud. But anyway, I let Old Boy talking,
I've been talking for her quite a while now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
The one case I did have to walk away from
was a lady back east, and I actually ended up
helping the guy in Long Beach because but he told
us the truth about it. We tried to help her
and she didn't want the attachment gone, and then come
to find out she made comments about wanting to be
famous and having the show go on TV. We actually

(01:10:51):
had people talk to her and she would flip out,
and she still calls him and he's at a blocker number.
She just wants to be famous. I've had a walk
away from that. It was too much for my team.
She would start fights cause say that we were lying.
We had proof of it. She got just mad because
we wouldn't hurry up and go run over there and
make a show for her, and come to find out,
she still tries to call the guy and he blocked her.

(01:11:14):
That's the only one I've had to walk away from
because I knew she was full of shit. Sorry my language,
and we'll probably have to edit that in some way,
but he is right. It's just a lot of drama.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
A lot of stuff you have to deal with, especially
like people like this. They want to be famous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
And she made comments, She sent us pictures and I'm like,
I saw that picture four I left online there it
is she just took a picture from another another investigation
and try to say that was the demon and I
knew she was lying. And that's the stuff that we
deal with, and he's right. There's stuff out there that
you don't want to mess with, and it doesn't bother

(01:11:52):
me like it does everyone else. If you don't want
something out of you, it doesn't matter who you send
into that it won't go away. If they want it
in them, it's it. There's nothing you could do about it.
They accepted that, and to they want to let go,
then that's on them. I have a difference of opinion

(01:12:14):
on some of the stuff that I've seen because I've
seen people who claim they could do this and that
and it doesn't end up working. So I've had to
help people in a certain way because, like some people
look at it as evil knows evil. Sometimes I have
dealt with some stuff that only movies have betrayed them. See,

(01:12:37):
a lot of people got to realize demons are not
only thing you're messing with.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
You mess with some of the fallen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
They were angels at one time, the fallen fall angels
that fell from heaven. Like you said, like, if you
want to go biblical, We've dealt with some of them.
The Seven Princes, they ain't no joke. They don't just
go away. They're differ they have different there's different powers
for different entities, demons, whatever you want to call them.

(01:13:08):
You really don't ever get those. They might say they're this,
and they might say that, but if you end up
getting a blizz a bub or asthma dias.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
You you're you're.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Some of the movies kind of proves what could happen.
They're not just gonna no, we just did a thing
and they go away. It doesn't happen like that. Movies
are a lot of big problem too, because they've made
a lot of movies and people think that's what's gonna happen,
and that's it. No, it could take years. They could
never go away. If you ever see the entity in
the eighties in California that started happening and she said

(01:13:48):
it took her years and it started fading away after
a while. Once in a great while would do something,
but then it took fifteen twenty years. It just doesn't
go away. And a lot of people don't get that.
It just some things are just stronger than others. And
we don't even know what some of the stuff we're
dealing with. Shadow people, we still we don't know. We

(01:14:09):
don't know what they exactly are. Are they from another dimension?
Are the evil or they are. They just there to
drain energy. They like nave it caught chaos and negativity,
And like you said, it's a lot of shows.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
We do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Do them by error. I'll say something out of the blue.
We're talking about a show and I'll throw something there
and James will be like, that's why I'm on.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
The show, and it just comes in my head. It's
just weird.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
It's just a weird feeling I get, and I'll just
say something and we'll get into another part of the
show and it just hell. It works, and we've always
worked together like that. It's just very easy for me.
I could go on your show like right now, and
we could have been live with millions of people and
I could have done it without even having a script

(01:15:00):
or nothing. It doesn't bother me. I just know what
to say. Comes handy, and working with one of the
smartest people in the world, so people know what I
deal with. Hershey is a METSA student. He was one
of the smartest people in the world. That's no joke.
He works for NASA. He's very smart. It's very hard
to even do stuff because he'll already go through it

(01:15:23):
and he studies for days, and it's very hard sometimes
working with one of the smartest people in the world,
and I can't really lie to him. I just throw
him off because I'm very different and I say something
that will just catch him off guard, even him, So
that should tell you something. If he's been working with

(01:15:44):
me for nine years as a reason I am who
I am. I can't be replaced, neither could he. If
one of us goes, it might still go on, but
it will never be the same show. It will just
be what it is, just how we are and how
we work together, and we've always going to be like that.

(01:16:07):
We are on modern day Winchester Brothers. If we were
like you, I think we were of them at one time.
We related to them and somehow or something, it's in
our blood. It's always meant to be there. I have
witches in my family, to come to find out, I
didn't know they have certain things.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
That they have seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
My mom was adopted, so I don't know what side
of that family is, so we don't know who they are.
So it probably came from them. Because my mom's a reverend.
What's so weird? That's that's that's the crazy thing. My
mom is the opposite of me. It's very very very
strange situation that I'm very I'm about and I'm very different.

(01:16:51):
And when you have to work with somebody like James,
you better know what you're talking about, because he's gonna
catch you, he's gonna find out, he's going to study
it and he'll come back with something. And people have
to understand that that I work with a famous horror
author every other day and somebody who's very very smart,

(01:17:13):
and it's.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Very very hard.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
But I've also became a public figure myself doing all
this because originally I was just a Facebook guy. It
had a horror group. Then I blew up and became
who I am now. And he's right, I will always
be old Boyle, never be James. Once you become something,
you never leave. That doesn't matter who's begging for change

(01:17:37):
in the street or you're living in a mansion. I
will always be Old Boyle, never be James Ashigan. And
that's what happens. And I know what he's talking about
because it's starting to happen to me now. And sometimes
I wish I can just go away and live in
a mountain like he does and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Not deal with anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
But it's a very intense situation. But you know what,
I'm a different kind of person. I can handle it.
I'm more of the mouthpiece, and that's just how it's
always gonna be. I don't mind people, but I have
to deal with that. That's just life. But sometimes you
do want that privacy. You don't want people always asking

(01:18:15):
you for something. But you can't be like that because
once you become something, you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
Oh, don't bother me. I'm just not like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I go on people's lives on tiktoks. They know who
I am, they know what I'm about. Even James don't
even go on there, and they know who he is.
So that's so funny, and it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
A big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
And I appreciate all my fans and people I talk to,
and I make sure that I will never be anything different.
Even if I blow up and become who I'm gonna be.
I'm never gonna stop talking to people. I'm just not
that kind of person.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
But I appreciate both of your testimonies, I really do,
and I really appreciate your honesty. That's something that I
never have. Really A lot of people speak about in
the spiritual sense or in the paranormal sense. We often
associate paranormal with spiritual, with spirits, spirituality discussion, demons, demonology,

(01:19:13):
shadow people, you know, other creatures of the night right.
But then crypto zoology, people talk about actual living beings
but still associate paranormal or think demons. Now, I've had
experiences where I've been to a church and I've spoken
with some people and they've talked about certain topics and
they've always associated as demons. But has there ever been

(01:19:37):
a specific topic of cryptos zoology that has hit you
to to the point where it's like, you know, hey,
I want to know more about it, and I want
to know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Cryptozoology is fascinating and it's it's a science more than
a superstition, you know what I mean. Paranormal is too, really,
but with crypto I think the majority of these things
are just animals. You know, they are remnants of the

(01:20:08):
past that have survived. You know. We can go through
a few real quick NeSSI champ Okay lake monster type things,
most likely applesiosaur. Hey, that's an old aquatic dinosaur, basically
Machallae mimbey down in the Congo. It looks like from

(01:20:28):
the descriptions and everything, basically like a Bronosaurus, just a
smaller version. And the thing about the Bronosaurus is there
was a lot of different dinosaurs that looked like that,
and they were all different sizes. Okay, so you've got
something from that family that has survived. Now we know

(01:20:49):
that because there are several tribes in that area who
have very detailed accounts of the Machaelay Mimbey. And you
may say, well, that's just super Well, they had another
superstition about a ghost gorilla and everybody said that was BS.
That this gorilla who looked like a demon monster or

(01:21:10):
a ghost that would appear out of the woods and
out of the forest and all this stuff. Right, it
sounded like some fantastic thing, and everybody thought it was
BS until they found it, and it is what we
know today as the silverback gorilla. So it did actually exist,
you know. And like we you talked about Bigfoot, Bigfoot

(01:21:31):
most likely, in my opinion, is Gigantipithecus, which is an
early hominid species. Okay, there's reports and witness accounts of
Bigfoot all throughout history all over the world. Whether it's
called the Yowie, whether it's called the yerin, whether it's
called the Yetti, whether it's called skunk ape, whether it's

(01:21:53):
called sasquatch, whatever you call it in different areas of
the world. They all have legends going all the way
back in their history of these creatures, and they're all
very very similar creatures depending on where they are. There's
tiny variations in size, color, those kind of things. Kind
of funny that depending on where we are, where we

(01:22:16):
all come from, there's tiny little variations. The Norse a
lot bigger, stouter, taller, right, pale as all hell, because
they're not out in the sun a whole lot. They're
up north where the sun doesn't penetrate as easily. Okay,
people from Africa and around the equator are usually darker.
They're either like a Latino type complexion or an African

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type complexion. We have differences depending on where we're from,
exact same kind of thing, right, So I think Bigfoot
is simply gigantipithecus. Okay, look at the Hobbit. The Hobbit
is a fascinating, fascinating tale. A lot of people will

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associate the Hobbit with Tolkien and his Lord of the
Rings and hobbit books all that, right, But a lot
of people don't know that there was an actual species
called Homo florencius that was discovered on the island of Florence,
and they dated those bones and they go back ten

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thousand years ago, So ten thousand years ago there were
hobbits running around. How cool is that? And they had
some fragments that have been dated to fifteen hundred years ago.
That's after the death of Christ. Okay, fifteen hundred years ago.
We're talking about knights and kings time, right, there's hobbits

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running around. It's an actual species called Homo florencias. So
I think with the majority of this stuff, when you're
talking crypto, it is simply either early hominid species such
as gygan Epithegus and Homo florencias, or it is simply
remnants from the either the Triassic Jurassic, those kind of

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periods right where you got like the plesiosaur, You've got
to Michaylee membehs, most likely some sort of Bronosaurus type
aquatic dinosaur. You've got the seal fant. That's another great example.
The seal fant was a prehistoric sea creature fish that
supposedly when extinct, long long, long ago, until they caught one,

(01:24:31):
like off the coast of Madagascar. Right then all of
a sudden, wait, this thing's still around. You know, the kracking.
Everybody's heard tails of the kraken and sea monsters. It
used to come up from the deep and take ships
and swallow them down into the water. That's a giant squid.
That was a legend, that was fairytale. That was bs.
That was Oh, you're an idiot if you believe that. Oh,

(01:24:54):
you conspiracy theorist. That's what that was. Until they found
one on camp. They filmed it and they said, whoa
wait a minute, what the hell is this? And then
they've caught them now in nets and they say, this
thing actually exists. It's a giant squid that could literally
take out a boat if it wanted to. Okay, everybody

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knows about the Megalodon shark from those brilliant movies with
Jason Statham. Okay, but the megalodon was a gigantic shark
that lived in that same time period. And the interesting
thing about the megalodon is the great white shark also
lived in that time period with it. Now, why did

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the Great white shark survive to modern day, and the
megalodon supposedly went extinct. I don't believe they're actually extinct,
and we can get into that at some point if
you want to the reasons why I don't believe that.
But why did the great white shark live and thrive
where the megalodon died? On paper? The megalodon should have

(01:26:02):
easily won that encounter way bigger, way stronger. It's the
size of a school bus, bro I mean, it could
hump down onto a great white shark like nothing. Why
did it lose? Well, the answer is fascinating and it's
quite simple. The reason the great white shark won is

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because it was more maneuverable. It was faster. The megalodon,
like a bus, has a very wide and long turn radius.
The great white shark can turn almost on a dime,
not quite on a dime, more like on a Volkswagen bug,

(01:26:45):
but it can turn a lot quicker, only a few
feet turn radius, where the megalodon has like a twenty
thirty foot turn radius. So what does that mean? That
means if you've gotten a bit of great white shark
swimming and a big grass megalodon coming after him, trying
to eat him. That little white shark's like, I'm screwed, man,

(01:27:08):
This megalodon's fast. Once he gets going, he's gonna get me.
But then he turns and goes this way. Well, the
megalodon has to do all of this mess to turn.
It can't just whip around. So what happens is that
great white shark whips around and while the meglodon is turning,
it turns back around and attacks. Now where would you

(01:27:30):
attack a megalodon to do any kind of real damage
because those things are gigantic. Well, it took out of
the Finns. It took out the gills, right, you take
out the gills, that megalodon shark can't breathe. And that's
exactly what the actual evidence shows is that's how great
white sharks did meglodons. They would out in maneuver them,

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they would attack their gills and then leave it helpless
and it would die. So that's why the great white
shark was more successful and lived where the megaladon died. Now,
remember the megladon is a whale eader. That's how big
this thing is. So I think that if it still
exists today and it might. I think you're going to

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find them deep deep in the ocean, same place you
find the giant squid, way down deep to where the
water's colder, to where it doesn't have to worry with smaller,
faster predators like the great White chart where it can
kind of roam around and eat whatever it wants. You know,
I don't think there's a lot of them left. Now.

(01:28:36):
What you need to realize about cryptozoology, about those creatures
is there can't be only one. Okay, it's like Islander,
remember that movie behind Her. There can be only one.
It can't be only one. So if you have let's
take NeSSI for example. If NeSSI is a plesiosaur, which
it appears to be, that's what fits best. Okay, If

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ness is actually a plesiosaur, it can't just be one plesiosaur,
because if it was one plesiosaur, it would have died
out long ago and we'd have heard legend of it,
but we wouldn't have it to look at. It wouldn't
still be there, right, So what you have to have
is what's called a breeding population, that is enough individual

(01:29:20):
members of that species with enough genetic diversity so that
they can keep interbreeding and not make like incestious kind
of royalty type kids, you know that are little kookie
because what happens is with that also comes a lot
of malformation in your DNA and your mitochondria. You get

(01:29:43):
the genetic code gets altered and corrupted, and you end
up really bad places and those things don't survive very well. Okay,
So you have to have a large enough amount of
those species so that you can have genetic diversity to
keep that strand going. So anytime you're tal talking about
a flesh and blood crypto creature, you're not talking about

(01:30:03):
a single creature. You're talking about a bunch of them, okay,
a breeding population, So that kind of narrows it down.
They can only really exist in places where we aren't
a whole lot because where we are not a lot
of animals are because we kill them, whether we mean
to kill them or we don't mean to kill them.
Most time we kill them by taking their habitat, so

(01:30:25):
they don't have anything to eat, they don't have any
place to live because we built a parking lot there,
you know. So it has to be someplace remote where
it can survive. There has to be enough of them
to keep that population going throughout time, because otherwise it
would have died off long ago. So anything that we
were just talking about one such as a mothman or
a chupacabre or something like that, you're talking some kind

(01:30:48):
of supernatural creature that's separate from the biological creatures such
as sasquatch, champ Nassi, michaelay, mimbey, those kind of things
totally different. Okay, the supernatural stuff like mothman is more
of a paranormal phenomenon. I wouldn't classify that as crypto,

(01:31:08):
but they get lumped in together to me crypto zoology.
That's a very important part of it, the zoology part.
It's the biological study of animals. Okay, they're actual flesh
and blood creatures that you're looking for. They're undiscovered species
or species that we believed went extinct many many moons
ago but actually didn't, such as the Sela fanta. It's

(01:31:33):
creatures that used to be only of legend but now
exist and we know they're real because we found them,
such as the giant squid, such as the silver backed
gorilla such as Homo florencius and soon to be Gigantipithecus.
When we actually get a bigfoot and can prove that
this thing exists. Okay, I have no doubt that bigfoot exists.

(01:31:55):
I've seen a bigfoot before. I chased one. I ran
after it, and it's very very quick. I didn't catch it,
but I think it's it's simply early hominid species that
have survived in small numbers, but still a breeding population
capable of carrying on throughout time. So see, the problem
is a lot of people look at crypto and they

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look at even paranormal as well as supernatural, but they
forget about the science part. Because science is important because
if you are a living, breathing creature, you have to
follow certain rules. Okay, there's certain biological rules that you
have to follow, and there's just no getting around it.

(01:32:39):
You know. The only way you're not following those rules
if it's something supernatural. And then when you get into
the realm of something supernatural, then you have to decide
is this real or is it legend? Those two things
are not mutually exclusive. It can be legend and also
be real. Once again, all right, it can cross both

(01:33:02):
of those barriers, but sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's only legend,
and sometimes it's legend and real you know, I say
dragons existed. I don't see why we would doubt that
there are reports of dragons, not just in medieval times
with England and and that kind of doe of the

(01:33:24):
knights fighting the dragons thing. China, the Aztecs, you know,
the Arab people's. I mean, you've got dragons mixed into
the mythologies and the lore of damn near every country
on the planet. Now, how does that happen? How do
all of these different places, separated by by thousands and

(01:33:45):
thousands of miles all have the exact same stories in
their mythologies. It has to be based on something. Now,
we learned that from the flood Noah's art, that story
the flood myth, which is what they used to call it,
the flood myth. Okay, every culture on Earth has a

(01:34:06):
flood story, and everybody thought that was myth for a
long time until science proved that it was true. Here's
another really cool thing. I'll say real quick for I
throw over a old boy. Science also proved the story
of Noah's art to be true. I did a whole
show on this, and I'll try to summarize this very quickly.

(01:34:26):
They did study on DNA. Okay, in the genetic code
and DNA, and they learned. The scientists did that every
human being on Earth today can be drawn back to
either a single pair or a very small group exactly

(01:34:49):
the time of the worldwide flood. Pretty cool, huh. Now,
how do we know that's Noah's art and not Adam
and Eve. Here's how every animal on Earth also can
be taken back to that same time period, to either

(01:35:09):
a single pair or a small group. That's what the
study actually showed. Now that's fascinating. That means that at
some point around the time of the flood, you had
either a pair of people or a small group of people. Now,
the Bible says that Noah went in with his family,

(01:35:30):
so that's a small group of people. And then you
had animals. All the animals that are on the planet
can be traced back to a single pair or a
small group. Now, that's all the land and air animals. Okay,
we're not talking to sea animals. They have no problem
living in water, so I'm sure there was tons of those.
I'm sure he didn't have to take fish on the

(01:35:52):
arc or any and Idata's sharks they can live in
the water we're talking land and sea animals. In the
study they showed they all go back to that same
time period, single pair, small group. So what that means
is the Bible got it right. Now, does that mean
a guy named Noah took his family and got on
a boat, gathered up all these animals, put him on

(01:36:12):
a boat. That's not what the science showed. Didn't show
it didn't happen, but it didn't show that it did.
But what it did show is that that story is
possible because the science backs up two people, small group,
two animals, small group. That's what we all go back to.
That's the gist of that of that show that I did. Now,

(01:36:35):
I got way deeper into the science on the show,
but I don't want to spend an hour hour and
a half doing that here because old will get mad
at me. Yeah, Obi gets mad at me when I
go on too long sometimes, but I just get the
verbal diarrhea I start going. But that's what you have
to understand is when you're talking crypto, when you're talking paranormal,
you got two versions. You've got the real, the biological,

(01:36:57):
and then you've got the supernatural, which isn't not right.
The supernatural exists as well. Not everything, but some things do.
But there's a there's a difference because you have to
follow the laws of biology if you're a biological being.
If you're a supernatural being, those laws don't apply to you. Do.

(01:37:17):
You have differences, and it changes how you go about
deciding whether something is real or not real. Okay, so
I'm gonna throw an old boy, now let him talk.
Go ahead, brother, Now you see the world that I
live in.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
My one of my favorites is like he was talking,
he just it's basically he talked about basically he brought
brought up the megal don I was going to bring
that up.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
I believe they exist.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
They have video of him. I believe they knew in
about it for a long time. And then you have
my you know, my shirt them off man. But see
the problem is, I don't think this is a cryptid.
I think this is another dimension kind of creature. And
then people are going to say, well, how do you
figure every time this thing it's seen, something bad happens.
It's like a predictor of like chaos and destruction. And

(01:38:07):
that's what I believe Mothman is. I don't I believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
And what what How do we not know that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
You know, supernatural is really dimensional and they're the same thing.
That's what I kind of think Mothman is now like
dog Man and Bigfoot and all that, and Bigfoot's my
one of my favorites.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
I know they exist. James knows they exist. He saw
one and chase one out of his yard. People can
think he's crazy, but I believe him because James is
not a liar, and I know that for fact. But
a lot of things that I think are cryptid may
not be like he was saying, they're all creatures. I
don't believe that. I believe Mothman isn't a regular creature.

(01:38:51):
I don't believe that Jersey Devil was something as a creature.
I think Bigfoot is exactly what he said. I think
like no Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it,
the abominabal snowman, I.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Think that's something different.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
I believe it may be something maybe related to Bigfoot,
maybe just another breed, but it also has kind of
a supernatural feel with the whole abominable snowman. I'm just
saying that or the YETI or whatever you want to
call it, that's another story that I enjoy, and they
actually had a bone of a finger they got from
one of the monks out.

Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
There and they they stole it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
They looked at this hand it was supposed to be
like the Yetti's hand, and they took the finger and
they studied it and found out it wasn't human.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
They didn't know what it was, but it was part
of the ape family. So it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Possibly was just something that lives in that area. There's
there's some in Texas. They're swamp that they said they're
kind of deformed and they have a.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
They're very mean.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
The Boggy Creek creature that that's kind of what I
think that's up in that area Louisiana, Texas area where
the swamps are at. They made movies about the above creep.
I believe that could be something, uh, but I think
that's creature. But I think they're very smart. There's also
like I watched this thing about Alaska about the Bigfoot
ghost or whatever it is, and they actually showed a

(01:40:20):
Bigfoot but it disappeared. So was this just a shape
shifter that pretends to be like Bigfoot and can just
disappear and like a dimensional creature. That's a whole different
thing that I think of. I mean, that's just how
my mind works. I think there is things we don't
understand and never will, just like with shadow people and
stuff like that, and dragons, I do believe existed. I

(01:40:45):
believe the exactly were they might even flew, not like
you know, like the Game of Thrones, but where they
shot like fire, but like the stuff they shot out
was like this acid and it earn you like fire.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
So that's why people thought that. And I believe that
and know and they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Dinosaurs, that they just were using bones and that's what
people thought that dragons were. And the and the Chinese
have been using dragon bones for for illments for thousands
of years.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
They still do and they're very toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
But crypto is a little bit different and paranormal to me.
It's something that I've always enjoyed, but we never really
get to talk about because we always get into paranormal
and conspiracy theories and other other crazy shit. And I
believe a lot of these things are real and they're
with animals, like you said, like the Lawless Month monster mckennay, Ben,

(01:41:44):
I'm gonna screw the names up, guys. I'm horrible with
these I would to say that creature out in the
in the in the jungle out there. I believe it
might be a Brono version of it camp. I think
that exists. They've even made laws in Canada you can't
hunt it. Lockless monster. They made it where you can't
hunt it. And a lot of people think that that's

(01:42:07):
going to solve everything.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
Is when we find it and we have to kill it. No,
because if it's the only thing left, then we just
killed the species off. I don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
I actually wish we don't find any of these things,
because then we'll have every idiot trying to hunt them
and try to make money off of it or put
them in a zoo. You know, they're gonna make mammoths
a version of it. It ain't going to be mammoths that
we knew ten thousand years ago. They're just going to
breed them to try to make something similar, just like
they want to do saber tooth tigers and put them somewhere,

(01:42:36):
and you know, in Russia. So they're really doing this
right now. They're there, they've been doing this. They're trying
to bring those back, and I really don't understand why,
But it is what it is. People are going to
do what they want. And that's kind of why I
don't want any of these things being caught, because I
know it will be become a circus act and after

(01:42:57):
people get bored after fifty years.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
They'll want something else. And aliens is a whole nother story.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
We haven't even talked about UFOs. I believe UFOs exist.
They're already coming out pretty much omitting that. That's a
whole nother thing. Then they're not demons from hell like
people think. I really get tired of that. Everything's not
evil just because it's something you don't understand that happens
a lot with especially with some of these creatures. They're

(01:43:24):
not evil. They're just something different than what we are.
Like I said, evil's a point of view. Some people
might think something's evil and some people think it's good.
But these creatures are not evil. They just if all
they attack, somebody will, wouldn't you If you've seen something
you've never seen before, You've seen some six foot four
guy walking through the forest and something comes at you,

(01:43:45):
they're not trying to kill you. They're just trying to
get you to run away and get away. And scare
you away. Now, dog Man's a whole different story. I
really know there's different species of it. I think it
has something to do with werewolves, but that's just my opinion.
So it becomes a supernatural thing. It's always an interesting story, man.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Man, that's that's one's always got me. I don't know
what that really is. Kind of have like a I
think it's something to do supernatural on that. Some people
are gonna argue with me. I don't care that your opinion.
Maybe they're different, maybe don't even exist. I know Chris
is very much into that dog man thing. He was

(01:44:27):
at one time. I believe if they exist, there's something
different than a bigfoot. They have nothing to do with it.
Maybe there really are were wolves. There's a story that
people when they came to Ireland and Saint Peter's there
was were wolves there. They existed. Why was there were
wolf hunters and vampire hunters in the turn of the century.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
They show there was.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
There's exhibit exhibits of vampire hunters, you know, and were
wolf hunters. So they had to be something out there.
They didn't just make it up. Every story has some
kind of truth to it. They even say frank Einstein
has some truth to it that she saw somebody bring
back a hand and she saw it like a hand
move and stuff like. That's where she got the story

(01:45:09):
for Frankenstein. And if you think how much a tragic
story Frankenstein really is, a scientists who wanted to become
famous made a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
But the monster really wasn't the monster. It was the
scientist and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Frankenstein, if you read what he says, he just takes
off and leaves and goes in the middle of nowhere
in the Antarctica and doesn't want to be around human
beings because.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
He hates us.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
So that should tell you everything what he thinks of
human beings. And Frankensi's, oh, he was the bad guy.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
I know he wasn't. He wasn't bad. He just got
the wrong brain.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
But he realized that people sucked and he took off
and he took and he ran off and didn't want
to deal with anybody anymore. And why would you. But
I do believe crypt zoology. Most of these creatures, like
he was saying, are just regular creatures. But I do
think some of these are supernatural, like skin walkers. That's
a whole other thing that's more of a supernatural which

(01:46:00):
that and that's you know in the Navajo Indian that
uh shaman that changed and went bad and learned how
to be a shape shifter and became very evil, and
they're shunned out of their own community.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
But they believe they exist, like the wind to go
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
But that's supernatural and that has nothing to do with
with crypto. I think there's different versions of it dimensional
and I think there's spiritual and supernatural and I think
there's real like Bigfoot's real lock, this monster is a
real monster. Megalodon's real that Like you said, the giant octopus,

(01:46:42):
they said it didn't exist, and it does. Uh they
uh the silly fan, he said that didn't exist, and
it does. They just found another one just recently. I
just thought they're.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Finding all kinds of stuff. We don't know what's in
the jungles. Well never will. We don't get the rights
to go in there. Some governments don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
They're saying in China there as a whole I don't
know how much that can be true, but they're saying
that prehistoric animals are there. We know something's there. We
don't want people knowing about it. They're never gonna tell you.
They locked everything away. They don't want us to know
about aliens. They don't want us to know about anything
because they think we can't handle it. Aliens are coming coming,
to be true, that's we can. We save us the

(01:47:20):
trouble and the trouble that it's coming. It's just some
people are not gonna be able to handle it, and
that's fine. They still won't believe it. Like I said,
so they come tap dancing to their front door, they're
not gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Believe it, don't but they're real.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Everything we're saying is pretty much role now. There's been
exaggerations and people making up stories. Yes, probably ninety percent
of the stories you hear are bullshit, but ten percent
of them are real or unexplainable. And that being said,
that's all I can say because, like I said, he
says a lot of stuff, man, So.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
But I do agree with a lot of what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Yeah, you guys both have their are you positive testimonies
in regard to the subject matter, and I genuinely appreciated
when it comes to everything that you guys have talked about.
I wanted to take the floor to you guys as well,
following through with everything we talked about tonight and give
you guys this opportunity to talk about some of the
stuff that you guys got going on your content and

(01:48:19):
where people can find you the floor is yours.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
The best place probably to find everything is either the
YouTube page, YouTube dot com, slash James Hershey Junior. Every
episode of Staring into the Abyss goes there. Every episode
of Tales is on there lots of times. I'll say it,
like just call Staring into the Bys Staring and Tails
from the Best Tales. And then we get a show

(01:48:49):
called word Screwed that's on there. I do a bunch
of other videos breaking stuff down and you're just talking
about all kinds of stuff. You can find everything there,
so just go somebe enjoy the channel. It's one hundred
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I don't care about any of that. I mean, I
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(01:49:11):
I made more money than I can spend, and I
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Keep it, spend it on your kids, man, buy them
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You know, if what you heard tonight, if you find
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(01:49:33):
I'm not going to sit there and make you sit
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You know that's what they do. But like, I'm not
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I'm not that guy. Man, I'm not going to sell
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I'm going to go from that to the merch store

(01:49:55):
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I do it right. But the merch store, let me
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sell you an nothing. So I thought, Okay, everybody wants merch,
I'm gonna I'm gonna build a store that they can

(01:50:17):
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So we went to a company called Tea Spring and
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amount up from that. Because I can't really do the

(01:50:39):
individual sense thing. It has to be like rounded up,
So like say it cost me ten dollars and fifty
cents to make something, then I'm going to sell it
to you for eleven dollars if you want to buy it, right.
If you don't want to buy it, don't. I honestly
don't care. I'm not making any money off the merch store.
So you know, whatever a little bit of money actually

(01:50:59):
from that rounding up comes in, we just donate that
to charity anyway. So it's not like not like we're
making a bunch of money off of it. You know,
it's just not happening. It's only there for people that
want either staring merch or tails merch or we're screwed
merch or whatever. Right, A lot of people ask for it,
so it's there for you if you want it. If
you don't, that's cool. Whatever. If you do want it.

(01:51:21):
The link is in the description box of all of
the YouTube videos. So just go to YouTube YouTube dot
com saze James Hurchie Junior and click on a video
and then go to the description box and the link
will be there. You know, there are also links to
all my books there. You can find them probably the
easiest places of Amazon, because they can ship it right

(01:51:43):
to your door or you can buy it on Kindle,
but you can get it wherever books are sold. They're
sold worldwide. Some stores have them, some stores don't. If
they don't, then you can just get them to order
them because they can all be ordered from them because
they have ISBN numbers and all that kind of stuff.
That's all book jargon. Probably nobody knows what I'm talking about.
But my name is James Hershey Jr. You can look
me up on Amazon. You can find the books there

(01:52:05):
if you really want them. They're really good. I'll tell
you that. You know, they're they're really really really good books.
You know, they're all four made bestseller and I did
well of them. You know. So as far as what
we got going on, and that's pretty much it. You know,
we work cases, We do staring every week, we do

(01:52:26):
work screwed. Every week, we make videos, you know, we
write books. I haven't written a book for a while.
I got one that that i'm like three quarters of
the way through with, but I haven't finished yet. That's
going to be another standalone novel that doesn't have anything
to do with my other novels. I'm will finish it eventually,
I guess. But like I said earlier, you know, it
reaches a point where things get started a little bit crazy.

(01:52:49):
And I'm not trying to be famous, so I don't
have any rush. I just want to I want to
put out good stuff. I want to I want to
do stuff that I'm passionate about and that I love
because I don't have to do any thing for the money,
you know what I mean. So I'm not stressing out
and trying to, Oh my god, you've got to subscribe,
You've got to buy this. I don't care. And I'm
not taking any sponsorship stuff either, you know what I mean.

(01:53:11):
I'm not on there trying to sell you crap. So
if you like it and you want to come hang
out and learn something awesome, come on join us. You know,
we're on YouTube, We're on Spotify, We're all over the
damn place, so I'm sure you can find us. Facebook
is where we hang out most of the time, so
you can find us on Facebook. You know. James Hershey

(01:53:31):
uh is my normal page. James Hershey Junior is my
quote unquote author page. And then you know I'm on
Twitter or x now I guess Instagram. It's all over TikTok,
all over the place. I don't really get on TikTok,
but I made a TikTok because everybody who's doing TikTok,
so I thought, well, I better go ahead and make
one and get my name because people. Here's something people

(01:53:54):
will do. They'll they'll go onto a platform, and if
you're not on it, they'll use your name and you
can't even use your own name. You got to, like,
I have to be James Hershey one or something that
can't be just me, you know what I mean. So
I went on and made one so that I'd had
my name and then I'd just get on there and
goof off and do stuff. You know. It was It
was fun, you know, but I haven't been on there

(01:54:14):
for half of forever, you know. But Facebook, if you
want to actually find me and talk to me, that's
probably the best place to find me. You can hit
me up there. I'm on all the other stuff too,
and eventually I check them, but Facebook's the easiest. And
YouTube definitely you can find me because I put up
content on YouTube every week, you know, even though YouTube

(01:54:36):
kind of YouTube's kind of rough sometimes, man, because they
censor you a lot, you know, like they shadow band
my channel, and they've done a real number on my channel.
I used to get like we put up a show
and I'd get, you know, ten twenty thirty, forty fifty
thousand views and like the first week, you know, I
got I got episodes on there that or over half
a million. I've got millions and millions of views on

(01:54:58):
the channel, right. And it used to be I put
something up and it would just be gangbusters, man, it
would fly. It would be doing so well, and then
we talked about some kind of the you know, the
conspiracy stuff that we probably shouldn't have talked about about
the government and stuff like that, and it was like
literally overnight, dude, our channel went from from like getting
those kind of numbers to getting like ten or fifteen

(01:55:21):
views the first day or two, not thousand, not ten
or fifteen thousand, like ten or fifteen, So you're talking
thirty forty thousand to ten or fifteen, and that's crazy, right,
And then like literally I dropped almost four thousand subscribers overnight,
and I had people messaging me and saying, did you

(01:55:43):
block every year or something? I'm not subscribing to you anymore,
and I'm like, I didn't do anything, bro, if you're
not subscribed, only thing I can tell you is subscribe again,
you know. But we come to find out that YouTube
like purge some of our subscribers too, which was crazy.
People had to go back and resubscribe, you know. So
YouTube does that kind of stuff sometimes too, if you
talk about stuff that you ought not to be talking

(01:56:05):
about on there, and that happened to us. So but
that I still put up stuff every week because I
like YouTube. I like doing that. That's where we are,
so if you want to check it out, check it out.
We're on Spotify now too, so you can always listen
to the shows on Spotify if you'd like. And basically
that's it. You know, We're not trying to really push

(01:56:26):
a whole lot of anything. It's just where we are
and you can find us and come by, subscribe to
the channel and hang out with us. Man comment on
our stuff, and you'll actually get us. Sometimes we'll talk
to you, and if you make a really good comment,
I might even make a video about it. So that's
about what I got. Go ahead, old boy, thank you
brother pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
You guys want to check us out going staring into
the abyss. We're on Pair X radio. Like he said,
Spotify YouTube follows YouTube page. You guys, weren't merchandise, he
told you where to go. I also have merchandise for
No Face. That's the character from Even Without a Face.
That's the novel I just brought out a couple of
weeks ago. It is that right now. You can just
get the Kendle. The hardback is coming.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
We got that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
We had to keep arguing with him about the cover,
and I had to change my book because I got
X rated, so I took a lot of the language out.

Speaker 5 (01:57:14):
Now it's R rated. My other two books are out there.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
It's called Demon Wars Volume one, but it's you can
get that anywhere, and God's will you can get that anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
But I did this one without a.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Paying I got rid of the middleman and did everything independently,
so I own the rights to this book myself. I
did you know I had Amazon's one thing I deal with.
But I just don't have any publishers involved in this,
and it's actually was easier. You guys want to check
me out, I'm usually on Facebook, James l ash that's
how you guys want to check out my book. I

(01:57:50):
do go by the word old boy, the legendary old boy,
especially on TikTok. That's what they know me as I
do a lot of stuff on TikTok.

Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
I do. That's something I got involved with.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
I want to give a shout out to my wife
Dragon and the Order and the Alliance celest in her products.
She sells the Drunken Oracle products, but I think she
changed the name. Give check them out on TikTok. If
you guys want check us out. I'm on there all
the time, and I'm on Facebook. I go on both.

(01:58:25):
James is not a big fan of TikTok, but I
like it. I do a lot of advertising and a
lot of stuff through there, and it's just what we
what I do. I'm just a very different person. But
thank you Chris for having us both on the show. Yes,
we'll be back. You're always welcome on our show on
Staring whenever you want let us know, we'll have you
back on. Thank you very much. I'd love to come

(01:58:45):
back on anytime you want us. Brother, I'm always here,
and you guys have a good night.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Misfits.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
You heard it first from the Staring into the Best
team of James Hershey and James Ash and the guys.
I gotta thank you guys so much for doing this
show tonight, and ladies and gentlemen, the links will be
in a description for you guys to check out the
content of their show as well and give it a shot,
because let me tell you something, these guys are very creative.
They have a great chemistry together, and for as long

(01:59:14):
as I've known them, they are one of the very
few people I can speak in a handful that are
people I can genuinely not just respect, but trust and
also know that they know their stuff. So with that
being said, the Venomous Fringe is signing off for this evening.
This is Christopher Cyrus speaking to you guys once more

(01:59:35):
on the great diligence of the East Coast. You all
have a fantastic evening.

Speaker 6 (01:59:39):
Good night now. I don't

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