The Viewing Room Ep 25 - Misery- Review and Analysis - The Viewing Room

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Right, So it's it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (00:01):
It doesn't really make sense.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Maybe you could say, like, oh, like you know, now
she's like passing on the curse of that, but like, yeah,
it does, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Why would you pass it on to someone that you like,
like like right, Like that's something you don't want to
be ruined. So you're passing on a curse. That's like saying, oh,
I love you, Grandma. Here's a curse, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, Grandma, here's your dentures.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I don't know your cursed dentures.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, you're ginger btis that.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Sounds like a like an item from a video game?
Curse curse dentures?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And now time for the viewing room with Adam and Eton.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the viewing where you talk about films new
and old.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I had to bring it back, Okay, I've done.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Now we're good. No no, no, no, okay, is.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That a resets? We're going with that?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
We're going with that?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay. Well, like I said, welcome to the viewing room
where we talk about films new and old, local and global.
Today we're gonna be talking about Misery, which was at
least on November thirtieth, nineteen ninety with a budget of
twenty million us D originally.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's also how you're feeling right now with me doing
the insured like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Misery, Yeah, you know, I think originally it was about
sixteen to eighteen and then maybe like ballooned a bit. Yeah,
it's reported to be about twenty million dollars. November thirtieth,
nineteen ninety, George Bush offered to meet with Sudan Hussein
and by meat, I mean send someone else to meet
to darn. Yeah, but that happened and chess master chess
Grandmaster Magnus Carlson was born that day. It's an interesting fact.

(02:03):
How do we feel about those?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
A boo?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
The car?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, how big Daddy is dead?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
He died like a dog.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You're getting good at that.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
There's a lot of crying. I said, a boo, don't cry.
I wouldn't have cried, don't.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Misery gross sixty one million at the global box office.
That's pretty good. Yeah, not bad three times.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I mean it's also it's also the nineties, right, like
I mean, everything's everything's smaller.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, And I don't know, like a Stephen King adaptation,
like that's a nice solid budget. I don't think that's
too massive, And I don't think that's like it's not
a small budget, right, I just think it's a decent
studio adaptation kind of budget to go around. Right. So,
obviously we have Kathy Bates, Annie Wilkes, we have James
cann who plays Ball Sheldon, and we have what's his

(02:54):
name Richard Farnsworth who plays Buster. Yeah, one of the
best characters in this movie. I should say it, because.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
What's the aracter's name again, Rob Ryner. See, the thing
that I find interesting is like he this this seems
out of out of character for him, Like I mean
he did like Spinal Tap and like movies like that
like that. I I love it. And this just is
totally totally different from the things that I have seen
of his before.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I find that interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's definitely interesting since it's a novel adaptation, obvious.
Stephen Gang. Yeah, you know, a lot of stuff is
kind of cut that was in the novel.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean, that's just the way it goes. And that's
one of the things that we've talked about this with
book adaptations, it's like.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just it's more of thematic tones though, So so, like, say,
was it a Hungry Games. They're very faithful to the
books in my opinion, but there's certain plot devices that
don't stick. Yeah, But for this what it seems like
a lot of complaints was characters. So part of Paul
Sheldon's character is he's also a struggling addict in the book, much.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like right, but in the movie he's sober for the
most part.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
He has a single sigre.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
He has a single singer.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, And so part of the fear in in the
character of Paul Sheldon is when he's trapped and he's
getting drugged by by Annie Wilkes, he's actually relapsing as well,
and that's what it's making it even harder. So that
was completely omitted from from the episode the movie. And
and yeah, so that's like just a thematic tone. Right.

(04:22):
I don't even think Buster was in the book, if
I'm being honest, And maybe if he was, he had
a very small part, Like it wasn't it wasn't like this. Yeah,
but yeah, that's kind of like a bit of a
bit of things. So some people are like, Okay, well
the movie made it too simple. I never read the book,
so I can't I say.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's the other thing is. I feel like I can't
comment it too much because I haven't read.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
The book exactly now. I think it's it's up to interpretation.
You kind of have to watch the movie or and
the book, I think to be able to actually say, yeah,
just some of the things I was reading was like, hey,
people thought it was too simple, like the movie version,
and they should have included some of those themes. But
I would say, you know what.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't think it needs to be more complicated, right,
Like I mean to me, like making it more complicated
would detract from it.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Actually, Like I think if that movie came out in
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty five, that movie came out nowadays,
we would need some more of those elements because we
want more, right, we always we're always wanting more. But
I think as like a base horror movie in the nineties, right, yeah,
when there hasn't been a million things that I've already

(05:30):
been done. I think already it's a solid enough idea
that it doesn't need more staples. But if you were
going to do a redo version of this, throw in
extra elements of relapsing and stuff like that and make
it crazier.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
But at the same time, though I don't.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I'd like the simpler in a way, right, Like, there's
no in my opinion, there's no need to have seventeen
hundred subplots and all these little things, right, it's just
too much sometimes if you you just want people to
focus on on the main story. And I think that
if you're if you're you're getting too complicated, it'll it
will detract from it in certain movies, and I think

(06:05):
this is one of the ones where the simplicity lends itself.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, yeah, I agree with you, And I think even
when we were leaving the theater, I said, nope, the
first time in a while, that's like one of the
movies that I walked out of thinking like, hey, I
kind of want to watch that again.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, that was the thing. I was like, I want
to watch this again. I'm like, you know, like my
dad hadn't seen I'm like, no, I want to watch it.
Let's watch it with him. Like you know, I would
enjoy watching that one again, And like that's how you
know you've made a good movie. So somebody, after just
finishing watching it wants to watch it again.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah. I watched The Brutalists two nights ago. Yeah, and
three and three hours and three five minutes long with
a fifteen minute intermis.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, he was saying, I get built in like that's
a build crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Never never seen that before in a movie. And I
enjoyed it. I didn't like the ending very much, but
I thought the first half was like really good. I
really enjoyed it. Yeah, and and yeah, like I'm not
like fighting with myself like oh I want to go
watch that again, probably because it's so long, right, yeah,
but like yeah, like I don't know, I see my
something being like hey, yeah, like i'd kind of like
understand more of those things, right and try and do whatever. Anyways,

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those are a casts.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
We should also say thank you to Coliseum Presents. I mean,
obviously another another great film put on by them. Theater
theater experience make this makes this one better for sure,
just like the reaction of people around you if like
it really really sells it. So it's another great one.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, and I would say groundhog Day, but that happened
two days ago at the time of this episode coming out.
No no oh, because it's not for some reason that
I thought it was like Wednesday today and thirty first
was Friday. No no, no, no, no, it's Monday. So this
episode is coming up tomorrow. Mm hmmm. So February second,

(07:42):
on Sunday is groundhog Day. Yeah, the Roxy Theater thanks
to Coliseum Presents. Yes, come out, say hi, we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I won't be there.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'll be there.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I won't be there. It's my girlfriend's birthday, so I'm
not allowed to go.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
So I really love groundhog Day. It's actually my uncle's
favorite movie. Yeah, it's on our one hundred movies to watch.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So we'll still we'll still do a review on it.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I just won't see it in the theater.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But yeah, there we go. We'll be groundhog Day having
a blast thanks to Colisseum Presents and the Roxy Theater.
Thank you, guys. Kathy Bates. I want to talk about
her for a second. She is great in this movie.
I thought there's a lot of people who didn't like
her performance. I don't know you don't like performance. I
thought it wasn't as good as a lot of people said.

(08:26):
A lot of people were just raving over her performance.
And I I just and there's nothing specifically that I
can point out that I didn't like. I just felt
like in the theater I just wasn't into it, Like
when when with certain certain things that she she was
doing in the way she was talking. Yeah, like it
just it felt very acted, and it felt it didn't

(08:48):
feel natural, and and I don't know, maybe part of
that is her trying to play a you know, bipolar,
you know, psych psychopath.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I guess, you know, but I don't know. I just
I wasn't as impressed with it as a lot of
people were.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I mean it's tough to say, right, Like, I
haven't seen much Kathy Bates when she was this young. Yeah,
so for me being a big fan of the Office
and seeing like Joe Bennett on screen being young, I
like goosebumps, Like it was great, and and like obviously
like i've seen her like playing movies like Melissa McCarthy
and stuff like that and more almost more comedic roles. Right,

(09:24):
So I don't know. For me, it was just I
really enjoyed seeing Kathy Bates be a little unhinged. Yeah,
I don't know. Yeah, maybe they could have found someone
else because something about it, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It doesn't it doesn't even have to be a different actor.
I just think that, like I think she was the
right actor for that. I just think that she she
needed to have more time or something to get into
the character and make it more natural, like it just
felt unnatural.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Can I tell you something. Sure, it's very reminiscent to me.
And this might be crazy. Have you seen Matilda?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Uh No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's very reminiscent you mistr un bowls, like the headmaster
of the school, like the evil principal. Okay, very reminiscent.
People who have seen Mittelda probably know what I'm talking about.
That is is very reminiscent of that to me, And
it's just more of like an unhinged uh missus trunch
bull or miss trench Bull. Sorry, but yeah, I don't know.

(10:20):
I I enjoyed it, and and for me, it was
just nice to see Kathy Bates be a little bit
crazy for once. But I can understand, like there's a
lot of people that I was saying like that, I
don't like it, you know. Regardless, she did win uh
leading role in uh like the Oscars, she actress supporting
actress and or actress in the leading role whatever is

(10:41):
that how that works?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Was she was she a leading role or was she
a supporting role?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Technically?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
In that. Uh. Oh, here we go. Kathy Bates first
woman to win Oscar for supporting role in the horror film.
So there we go. Yeah cool, yeah, uh obviously James
Can was an nominated for her Best Actor. But yeah,
I mean Kathy Bates did did take that home.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I do think that I do think that she did
a great job or he did he did a great job. Sorry,
James Can did did a really good job of acting
this one. It felt his performance was better than Kathy
Bates in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, well, his character feels more reactionary. And I know
he's talked it talked about before he passed in twenty
twenty two that it was tough for him to play
a character that's more reactionary. And what I mean by that,
he's stuck in a bed, yeah, making faces to the camera,
kind of almost like in The Shining where you see

(11:35):
Jack Nicholson do a lot. Yeah, Jack Nicholson is less
of a reactionary character and more of an actionary character.
But him, he's kind of trapped in a bed and
kind of has to make faces at Kathy Bates and
and react to the camera so the audience knows what
he's thinking and and also try and play Kathy Bates

(11:55):
or Anie Wilke so that she knows what's what's going
on right, so and that she can kind of fall
in love with him and be like, Oh, Paul, I
love you. By the way, oh Paul, I love you.
He's played twelve times stout this movie, Paul. He says,
Oh Paul, but oh Paul, I love you is my
favorite line in the film. I just I drove home
that night from the Roxy, chuckling to myself because.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I know, you guys, we were done when we were
when we were walking out, you guys could not stop Paul.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
It was so funny. And there was a group of people.
There was a group of people sitting there behind us
at the theater, and they were just hilarious, right, And
so we turned around and I went, oh, Paul, because
we were just laughing about how it was love and
man like. So shout out to those guys who had
the Roxy theater. They were just so awesome. It was
like a group of three women and they were just
so funny. So yeah, it was great. I don't know

(12:46):
why I said, it's so weird that there was a
group of.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Three I have to say, like like James Ken would
have had a pretty easy time filming this. I mean,
how much is he not well cap you know what
I mean? Like he's in a wheelchair and in a
bed the entire time. Like it's not like he's like
very timing to move around a whole bunch.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You know. I didn't write down the exact quote, but
he was very it was very not secluded, but he's
trapped in a bed. He can't really move for weeks.
I think he said something that he thought Rob Reiner
was playing like a sick joke on him, making him
do this. Yeah, so there you have that. There's that

(13:27):
he did not have a great time. And I guess
there's a bit of differing opinions on this, but I
have a fact here. So James Can doesn't believe in rehearsing, right,
He likes kind of just going for it. Kathy Bates
loves it. She's kind of more of a theater background.
She loves rehearsing, loves practicing. So they kind of butt

(13:49):
heads a little bit on the set. There was like
some I'm like, oh, do they don't like each other? Whatnot?
Back and forth. However, apparently after filming they did become
good friends. Kathy Bates said she was heartbroken when she
learned of his death and that working with him was
one of the best times on sech she's ever had,
so a bit of you know, maybe in a moment
she didn't like it that much, but then she reflected

(14:10):
more positively on it because they actually became friends. You know. Uh,
you know, James can didn't even read the book. He
said he was kind of proud that he didn't read
the book. And you know, when we talk about actors
and source material, right Henry Cavell, for example, like someone
who you really want because it's it's nice to a
fan and attracts a fan base because like, oh hey,
this person's going to be faithful and try and and

(14:32):
and be good with their performance.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Right and with the Witcher, I mean the Witch is
a perfect example that we talked a huge fan, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, And and you know someone even like Mark Hamill,
who's super passionate, does stuff like that, right, And so
you know, it's varying levels of degree. And I guess
James Cam's is not one of those people. And I
think his performance worked like I don't think. I don't
think I was again I didn't read the book, but
I wasn't like it was unconvincing or anything, right, Yeah,
just different different strokes for different folks. Right after a

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serious car crash, novelist Paul Sheldon James Kent is rescued
by former nurse Annie Wilkes by Kathy Bates, who claims
to be his biggest fan, and he brings him to
her remote cabin to recover, where her obsession takes a
dark turn when she discovers Sheldon is killing off her
favorite character from his novels. As Sheldon devises plans for
escape and he grows increasingly controlling, even violent, she forces

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the author to shape his writing to suit her twisted fantasy.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I think one of the things that makes this so
scary as a horror movie is that it's like that.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Could be any one of our patreons supporters exactlymedia dot com, right,
it's different.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
App dot com say that's another the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
But no, it's like like I mean you think about
like it's not, you know, zombies or something supernatural. Like
everything that happens is like, you know, completely natural.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I love you so much. I wrote in big letters here,
medium sized letters here, better than the Shining no supernatural.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah right, Well, that's the thing is, there's there's no
supernatural element to it. It's literally something that could theoretically
happen to you. Yes, you get in a car, you
get Yeah, you get in a car crash. You know,
somebody rescues you. You think, oh, thank god, I'm saved,
and then they won't let you leave, and then like
all this like you know, you're you're you're in there,
you know, at their mercy.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. It just feels
like something that could actually happen to you. And that's
why I think it's a little bit better than The Shining.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Enjoyed it more than the Shining, Oh I did, because
it's just like I wasn't kind of focused on I
don't believe in that. Like it was like I enjoy
a lot of ghost movies rather you believe in ghosts
or not. I just I didn't. I couldn't like suspend
disbelief for the Shining to happen the way it did. Enough,
Like it's just like I just like I couldn't get
into it. But for.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
You don't really need any suspension of disbelief you no,
for there's no It's like it could be anyone and
you don't have to be famous necessarily, but it helps, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
To kind of occur. And I just I think that
it's just a really that makes it You're you're one
hundred percent correct, and I wrote that right here. It's
just it makes it, it makes it scarier, it makes
it more real, and yeah, yeah, it's just like that
fear I think is just a real normal fear that
like you might feel like someone's watching you, or might

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feel like you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
It can just it can just happen. My slippers, by
the way, you two can have these if you come
to the different Avenue media network.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
They need to be green.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I just realized it probably should be.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh Adam, Uh, I'm gonna start doing that.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
We'll put together Adam compilation.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So I guess, yeah, we can give you a quick plot.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I don't think you need to go too crazy, not
too hard.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
It takes place pretty quick. H James can or Paul Sheldon.
He's a writer. He writes books called Misery. He's finished
his last kind of transcript. He's gonna take it over
to his agent. He doesn't believe in printing copies off
because he he likes kind of like the one and
done sis driving to his agent to give it or yeah,
his agent, I think, right, go publicist, publicist whatever of

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one of the two, and he gets into a car
crash or like he flips his car because of a
snowstorm and he gets rescued by any Wilkes.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, now, okay, I gotta interrup for two seconds. The
thing I found really funny about that car crash scene
is at the beginning, it's just nice and then he
starts to get nervous as he's driving, like you know,
he's starting to get like and I'm like, this is
barely snowing. I drive in worse than that, like you know, daily,
Like he turns into an old lady yeh.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, starts pretty.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Exactly, and by the time he does actually crash, I'll admit,
it's a blizzard.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's not a good thing to.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Drive mountains, like he shouldn't be yeah, right, But like
the first like I'm going to say, half of that
scene or two thirds of that scene, it's.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Like, what are you worried about?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That was like just like
a normal Saskatchewan range. Yeah exactly, but yeah, he definitely
shouldn't have been driving and yeah, yeah, and he has
the radio on in that scene, so I kind of
find it hard to believe he didn't know there was
a blizzard coming.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
You're right, Yeah, you would think you would. If you've
got radio reception, you would have known that days before.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Like yeah, Like, I just I found that hard to believe.
And then what's even harder to believe is Annie Wilkes comes.
There's a pride bar to open up his car door.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
And Carrie carry that too.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm like, what back like, and the only like, she's
pretty big in this like in this scene, like in
this movie, and she's like she seems taller than Kathy
Bates actually is.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
In my opinion, Well, they probably do that as like
you know, like lots of low angle shots bigger lots
lots of low anger lingle shots the.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Chair looking up.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, but it's just it's so funny to me.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, that's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
And the other scenes when she's lifting him out of
the bed to the wheelchair, she's like, right, like it's
like struggling almost all you big guy. Yeah. Yeah. Then
and then for some reason, she just picks them up
and puts.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Them on and like when she's giving him like mouth
to mouth and CPR, Like, that's not even how you
do it. Like, I'm not first DAID trained, and I
know that she wasn't doing it correctly.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It wasn't about the spr I don't think it was
actually dead. I think she just she just wanted to
get in there.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I know what she means.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Anyways, Yeah, it's like tongue to tongue in the mouth
to mouth. Yeah exactly, you know, funny enough fitting into
that one something. It was the craziest way to wake up.

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That's a joke. That's a really terrible if.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't know about that folks.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, it wasn't a joke. But anyways, Jesus, So.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
We go through, and yes, we do go through the movie.
That's part of what we do on the show. We
go through and this is my reset button. Well, then
you should do a proper mindset that. We should probably
do a proper reset thing. You know, Gary's always talking
about resets, you know that broadcasting you know thing.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
So if you're just sitting in now you're here with
the viewing room, we're watching Misery, which came out November
thirty of nineteen ninety. And we've just entered and he
Wokes's house. Yes, all Sheldon wakes up in bed you
can't really move, and he Wokes is like, whoa boy, Relax,
oh Paul. She tells Paul that she loves him and

(21:57):
it's an honor for him to be in her house,
and that she's his biggest fan, number one fan.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Herbit however that looks she is his number one fan.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yes, there we go and and Paul's like all right, yeah, cool,
oh Paul. And she's like, oh yeah, I read all
your books and stuff like that. You know, all the
roads are closed, all the telephones are down. But you're
gonna stay here. You're gonna rest up and then I'll
take you to the hospital. It's gonna be all fun. Right,
She's not. So, you know, he kind of stays there

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in bed for a few days, taking some meds and
stuff like that that are making them almost like not sicker,
but like he's not really getting much better when he's
on these meds. So it's like kinda weird. And uh.
And we learned that Annie Wilkes is kind of like
super quick to anger anytime like Paul like goes against her,
disagrees with her, and it's kind of weird. Annie Wilkes

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then reads the transcript because because she convinces Yeah, she's
his biggest fan, and she burns it in front of
him because she's like, this is a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well she makes him burn it.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, she makes him burn it technically because because like
she hates that she he killed off the character, right,
and so he's going to rewrite and and remake the book.
Now here's the thing. First of all, that the character
is dead, so he needs to rewrite the book. But

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and when he's rewriting the book, he talks about like
the character coming out of the grave, right, or how
how the character never actually died. So does that mean that,
like the character died in the last book or does
that mean that the character died in the book that
he wrote but he brought her back? But wouldn't Annie
Wilks just still be upset.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
The thing that that doesn't make sense to me is, yeah,
so the book that that she forces him to write
is a continuation of the one that she burned.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Is that? I think that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, And so.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
It doesn't really make sense, Like doesn't she want him
to rewrite the one that she burned?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah? And the big the biggest thing, the bigger problem
I have is when Annie explains that when she was
a kid, ah, she went to a movie and and
saw this movie and and then went back the next
week because she loved it so much. But the ending
was the ending was different. Yeah, And everyone called her

(24:24):
crazy for thinking the ending was different, but it was
and how she remembered it. And so now that like
turned her evil because she's like, I'm not crazy, I'm right.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
But but then she'd makes him do the exact same thing,
change the ending, right, So it's it doesn't It doesn't
really make sense.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Maybe you could say, like, oh, like you know, now
she's like passing on the curse of that, but like, yeah,
it does, It doesn't.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Why would you pass it on to someone that you like,
like like right, Like that's something you don't want to
be ruined, So you're passing on a curse. That's like saying, oh,
I love you, Grandma. Here's a curse you know, like.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Oh, Graham, here's your dentures. I don't know your cursed dentures. Yeah,
you're ginger bitis.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
That sounds like a like an item from a video
game curse denture cur dentures.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh man, but like like yeah, I don't I don't
get that part. But like yeah, it's like it's just
yeah for me, it's something about like why does she
make him like rewrite the story and change the ending
when that was what she says to Paul was like
the worst part of her life growing. Yeah, exactly, that's
the worst part of your life. What. Yeah, you had

(25:36):
a bad memory.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, welcome to the world.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Dude. Wait, did you hear about taxes? That must have
been hers. That's probably why she killed all those infants.
Oh god, she heard about property tax She was like,
that's my farm, Paul. She kills babies. It's some of
the second the scariest thing to.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Come out of this movie, Jesus Christ today.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The first one was the Pig, Misery the Pig played
by Misery the Pig.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, that's a nice little that's a nice little thing.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
In the rear credits, ask for the movie third in cast,
even before Busters.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, Misery the Pig. Yes, Misery as herself.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm on a roll to there you are?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You really are?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah? So whatever we find out that Annie's been going
into town because the roads are open. So Paul's like, well,
do she's just like taking me to the hospital now,
and she's like, well, the roads to the hospital aren't
open yet. Okay. Yeah. If he looked at the window,
he could see there's not a lot of snow anymore.
But whatever, so like he can go anywhere. He stops

(26:46):
taking his mets coincidentally, because he's kind of noticed that
Annie's kind of a bit of a hothead, so maybe
he's just gonna like stop and be a little bit speculative.
Maybe I'm getting some things out of.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Order, but like, I don't think it's like people are
starting to get suspicious by this point to like his
publicist is like, I think something happened, and she calls
the sheriff, and the Sheriff's like, oh, well, well we'll
look into it and I'll put out a notice.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And then he puts a sticky note on the board.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I really like Buster because he starts off like
someone who's, like you think, isn't going to be a
very helpful character, right, yeah, and then he becomes one
of the greatest characters that really does and he dedicates
part of his life to to studying like Paul Sheldon
and and things and trying to use deductive reasoning to
try and and figure out who maybe took him if possible,

(27:30):
and trying to find the car, like and he goes
out multiple times.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
And he's one of my he's one of my favorite
characters actually, like you say, and also just him. The
the the the interactions between him and his wife are great.
As a little uh like little she.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Puts on his lap. Yeah, he's like Penelope or whatever
her name is, Like, you're you're my deputy in this car.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You don't put your Yeah, and you're like, get it, brother.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't think it works at that.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
The dentures due but not that so it's just it's
just weird.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
And then like when it starts off is like, oh,
you think he's gonna be kind of stupid. Yeah, but
then he's like such a good character and he's so
he's so apt and intelligent and and then he gets
completely blasted with a shotgun.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
But oh well, yeah, that was that was a tough one.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know. I got scared in the theater. Yeah, I
knew it was coming. I sny was coming. We stood
down the stairs kind of silhouetted, great shot, you know,
you know she's standing behind him.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Well, and I it wasn't for me. It wasn't like
like it was. It was like you.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Knew something was going to happen, but I didn't expect
you to be that quick.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Like I figured right like that she would come at
him and like try and choke hold him or something.
I didn't figure just be a shotgun and he wouldn't
have a chance.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
And I think that's what got me. I was expecting
her to come behind him with a knife or something
like stab him and he falls down the stairs and
then like he's suffering down there, and he pulls his
gun and gets there, she makes Paul kill him or
something like super fucked yeah part of my language. Should
we bleep the efforts? I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, we've never have and we never will.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Uh. I thought it was gonna be something crazy, yeah,
but no, instead it's just dead.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, and it's just it's just there's no there's no
chance for him at all, which is the shocking part.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, there's no there's and there's nothing right. And it's
this character that we've been following, who is one of
the most redeemable characters, and and character actually cares and
does his job, and it's just he's just gone, right.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think it's it also it it's it's more compelling
that way, which is it's also another problem with a
lot of modern movies is they give every character and out,
no matter how small it is, like, you know, the
superhero you know in in you know, or like let's
say that you're not even superhero, just the hero they
have like a point one percent chance that, you know,

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if they do this one little thing, they have a
point one percent chance that they'll succeed and they'll they'll
save the day, right and like and like then they
when they do it, it's this huge miracle. Everybody's happy,
right with him. It's just like Nope, he didn't. He
didn't have a chance, you know, like just boom, and
and it's it's kind of it's it's more compelling that
way in my opinion, right, Like it's it's more more

(30:18):
more dark and gritty and realistic.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I think realistic is a good way.
I can't I don't know if it's more compelling, like
because maybe it would be like oh, like more compelling
if you like leaned over to Paul was like I
finally found you. Oh, Paul, I'm your second.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Biggest fan's taking to jail and we're going to keep
you in the jail.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
That crazy bsery too. No, I don't know, yeah, Like
I don't know if it's more or less compelling, because sometimes,
like you know, when like they have like the final
good bye monolog, that's compelling, but it does feel realistic
where it's like, in a snap of your fingers, that
person's gone. It's no longer part of this, you know,
and it's like, oh, I kind of you have to

(31:03):
readjust what you think is going to happen because you think, oh,
he's gonna like save well.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, because now as soon as that happens, you're like,
oh shit, well now how the hell're you getting out
of here?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Like that that was that was like like when you
know he's getting close, right, like when he's wandering around
the house and you're like you're just waiting for him
to notice, and you're like, it's it's almost gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
He's almost saved. Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
That forever the curse of movies for me though, because
I still knew there was another half an hour left
in the movie.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
So that's true, you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's the curse of a movie, is you kind of
you kind of know that it's not it's not gonna
be that easy.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
That's true, but you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
But to be fair, though, I don't really know what
her plan was, because Paul Sheldon is his disappearance circumstances
were mysterious. They assumed he was dead, because that makes sense.
But the sheriff says, Oh, I'm gonna go check out
that the Wilkes farm.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
It never comes back.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I wonder where he went, Like, you.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Know, within a day, you know, his wife is gonna
be you know, phone in the next town over or
getting a couple couple neighbors and saying, we need.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
To go check this out.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
She's technically a deputy, exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
She's a deputy.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
She's gonna get some people all together and they're gonna
go looking for him, Like they know where he was going.
They know that he's missing now or they would know.
So that's like, I don't know, that's just a small
hole for me.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, maybe did his wife one hundred percent now, well, I.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Mean, even if she didn't know where he was going,
they would notice immediately that he was missing, and it
wouldn't be like presumed dead in a car crash, right like.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Right, Well, I just think they established that they went
over with helicopter and stuff, and he already said to
the pilot that there was nothing beyond like the farms.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
So it's kind of like true.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
But if they're then looking for the sheriff, if the
sheriff goes missing, they're gonna go con from the same
way with the helicopters and then they'll see the.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
The station wagon or the whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, okay, I see that the station wagon was that
the car that he was serving.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
It wasn't a station wagon, but it was whatever the
jerufs not a crown Vic though, one of the big
ones like a.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Jeep or something.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Maybe. Yeah, all right, well, yeah, Annie Wilkes. She goes
to like the store to get things and whatnot. She
ends up buying a typewriter so that Paul Sheldon can
write a new book that's better and he can only
leave when he's done this book and stuff like that.

(33:41):
And you know, Paul kind of escapes his room and
looks around. He notices there's shrine kind of thing to
him from his number for his number one fan, and uh,
you know, Annie knows that he was out, but doesn't
say anything. And and yeah, they kind of go through
and Paul's forced to write this book. He keeps trying

(34:02):
to escape, and he keeps going into town. She keeps
making excuses for her, He can't call her do anything.
She has a crazy temper whenever Paul disagrees with her
on something. And so Paul's kind of noticed that this
person's not what she seems to be, and he will
reveals that she's not and that she's going to keep

(34:23):
him there and do whatever. I'm kind of going mixing
of the time on fine, does it super matter? Like
at this point, like it's like it's it's all things
that happen.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
If you haven't seen this movie in thirty five years,
then you know.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Then she puts a board in between his legs. She
nails it between.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
His legs, right, what's it called hobbling?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yes, And then she takes a hammer and breaks both
of his legs or like his ankles, so that he
can't walk anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I love you, Paul.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, pretty crazy see that's like, that's like the craziest
part of that is that she breaks his ankles like
that in his brutal way, and then immediately I love you, Paul,
Like that's like it's just like, oh, this this lady
is just pretty insane.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Insane. In the membrane.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now, in the book, what happened was I can read
it here, and he cuts his foot off, one of
his foots off, cuts it off.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
One of his foots like yeah, one of his feet,
one of.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
His feet, and and and uses a blow torch to
clutterize the wound and then leaves his other foot so
we can like you can hobble like that. Pretty crazy.
I like this better though, And it's like, Okay, maybe
like the the gore would be cool. I like this
better because it's so brutal with the shot of we're

(35:44):
kind of used to gore nowadays, I would say, like
and blood and cartoonish violence, but there's something still so
visceral about seeing the ankle bent in half, Like yeah,
there's no blood, but I still I've still thought about
it for the last week, like like it was probably
like a rubber mold or something that, but like I
was just like thinking to myself, like, holy crap, that
was so visceral.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's like it's like when you watch those slow moo
like sports injuries, Like you watch those like football injury
compilations in slow motion, and like you see legs bending
in directions and like war and.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Elbows those out of like the worm like jutted out. Yeah. Yeah, man,
I just think the no blood aspect was great because
I think, I mean back even back in the nineties,
but I think right now we're so used to seeing
crazy amounts of blood and gore and stuff like that
because they're it with one hundred slasher movies. There's a
Marvel movie Deadpool Wolverine, right, right, But but now John

(36:43):
wick Eman, right, and now instead there's no blood, and
I think that's something to get back into. And it's
just something that like, man, you know, even without even
if your leg is a stump, you can walk way
better than when your legs are like shadoways like this. Yeah. Completely.
I just I think that's way better in the movie
than the book, in my opinion. And I mean something

(37:06):
so horrifying about blow torching a wound close.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, that's I mean like that that that that sort
of thing gives you. It gives you a a that
will give you a lot to work with. But yeah,
I think that the direction they chose to go well,
I mean it's not faithful to the book, which I
never like when people do. But I think it works.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I think in a visual sense, like for me. Now,
for me, that's more impactful, just because I'm kind of
I'm not desensitized to it in a way.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Maybe I also feel like, in a way almost though,
it feels like the hobbling is a little bit more
realistic than that, Like in a way like you know,
chopping your foot off and cauterizing with blowtoature well theoretically possible,
and well not theoretically it is possible. I feel like
in a way, it just seems so far out of
the realm of possibility, whereas like a broken ankle or

(38:01):
a shattered ankle, even if it is inflicted by another person,
still seems more possible.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And I think she treats all it's kind of like
a love hate relationship because she treats all his wounds
with like excellent care. Yeah, I see like as her
nurse background make you more sense to break his legs
because I feel like she would have instead of used
a blow towards she would have tried to like actually
do something. I don't know what she would have done

(38:27):
other than caught her eyes it to be honest, like
without like a surgeon. But yeah, but I just think
that makes more sense from like a nursing perspective too,
like to just like break his legs and then push
him around in a wheelchair.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
For a bit, right though, to be fair with the
whole nursing thing, no nurse as the knowledge to splint
a two broken legs to the level that it would
heal properly, like I mean a broken leg. And I
think she even said compound fracture, but I could be

(39:02):
wrong with that. Even if it wasn't compound fracture broken legs,
you need metal rods and and and shit like that.
Most of the time that makeshift splints out of you know,
crutch sides and cloth will not work. And I'm sorry
a nurse, especially a nurse that was a maternity nurse
and not you know, like an er or orthopedic surgeon

(39:27):
like surgical assistant nurse that that to me was a
bit of a stretch.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I don't know enough about nurses to say like I,
I like, I can't say anything because I personally would
I think I personally would believe a nurse would be
able to especially since in her scrap book it says
multiple times that she became the top nursing but.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It wasn't after after she killed, but it was the
head maternity nurse. It was specific to the maternity war.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
She was also I had I had a nursing student,
so I kind of I kind of say that as like.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, but it's still even ahead. Nurse is not the
same as a doctor. And broken legs you need a
doctor to heal it proper, like you you just do.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, I mean I can't. I can't. I I believe
that a nurse would have enough capabilities, but like maybe yeah,
Like I'm mean, no, I don't know. I don't. I
don't truly, I don't know enough about nursing or doctors
or medicine.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I did, I did. I meant the movie.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I did a lot of research when I when I
had my all my knee problems.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Oh Paul uh Annie Wilkes is Stephen King's favorite character.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
In the movie or in his writings.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I want to say his writings. Okay, I imagine he
created the character of any Milks. Yeah, so there you go.
That's yeah. I mean in terms of like the story,
like I guess, we find out that Paul is kind
of training his arms a bit to be this.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Crap out of Oh my god, that is one of
the most ridiculous scenes ever.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
And and you know, Annie's going a bit crazy. Paul's
finished his book and now instead of letting him go,
and he's just gonna kill.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Him because yeah, you know, well they're going to commit
rituals suicide together.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Right, They're gonna kill each other together so they can
live in paradise forever. The cops aren't going to find them.
And and so uh, I mean there's other things like
Paul Paul throughout tries to drug her with like the
meds she was giving him doesn't work. No, whatever you
have thinks.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
That one scene with the typewriter bugs me. He takes
the massive, freaking typewriter, which we already established is heavy.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And if you've ever seen the typewriter.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Average typewriter is twenty five pounds.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, and like one like like you know, like
you said, if you ever held a typewriter, you know,
they're fucking heavy and they're solid like they're they're not
like a light.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Pound seems light. I looked up the average typewriters twenty
five pounds. That seems light.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, but like you know, a typewriter is more of
like an old form of fighting. And those are like
made of metal. They're not like your cheap plastic keyboards
that are gonna snap if you've smashed it over your head.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
It's a brick.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's a brick.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
And he takes his thing and he smashes it on
her head, like full force, smashes it on his head.
And he's been training for this and everything, like strong
man level smash, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Not only he's been wheeling himself around in the chair
that builds up the strength to right.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
So it's like, so there's that, and she falls to
the floor and then gets up two seconds later, and
then and then she falls later. He pushes her over
and she falls and hits her head on it. Oh,
and that did it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I killed her. It's like the equivalent in uh and
in Home Alone too. When Kevin's throwing bricks off the building,
he looks up, Yeah, and all it does is like
crack his nose right in the snows or whatever, whatever whatever,
maybe that's in the first movie. And they just get

(43:06):
up and start chasing the kid. I'm gonna kill your friends.
I don't I don't know if I needed the sound effects.
You got that, but it made it better. And and
and I'm confusing Harry and Marv's lines. But who cares, man,
it's the same equivalent. Harry looks up and is a
mark one of the two. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I can't keep track of them.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I don't know what the guy who's not Joe Pashi
looks up, he gets a brick to the face, and
he just gets up and everything's fine. After he falls
to the ground, he gets gets a brick to the groin,
and this would be I mean, that's that's worse than
the typewriter because it's three stories. We know, you know
a six foot fall can kill you. You know what six

(43:46):
ft fall can kill you. That's what you need. But
now we're tossing a brick, which we'll say is twenty
pounds off of a three four story building the face
that's your debt, and the typewriter twenty five pounds. I
just I just feel like if I'm bringing it down
on someone's head three feet with ridiculous arm strength. That's

(44:08):
you know what I mean, internal bleeding, skull fracture at
the very least, you know, you know what I mean,
like the brain bleed type shit. Like It's just like, man,
I just couldn't I couldn't imagine something like that that's
heavier than a baseball bat coming down and hitting you right,
like an aluminum bat. Right, Yeah, whatever that happens. I

(44:30):
didn't mind it too much because it was more funny.
It's kind of it feels more cartoonist, but violence in
a way because he's like being here in the head
with a typewriter and then then like grabbing each other's
faces and balance while they're fighting and stuff like that.
It's not like he's gonna be kicking though, right, So
it's more realistic in that sense.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And then after she falls and hits his head, he
just kind of like lays there and starts crawling away.
I just like, after the first time you get you
like beat someone down and they get up and crawl off,
I just feel like, just be smart enough to grab
the tird fighter and just keep you know, maybe that's
a little.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Brutal, you know what I mean. But it's a brutal situation,
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I just feel like I've always kind of thought about
that where it's like like I don't know if I
was in if I was in a gunfight, right and
someone shot me in the leg and I shot them
in the leg as well, and they fell they fell over,
and they were like laying there.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Writing we have a family Guy episode.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I I just I just feel like i'd maybe like
one more, just just for good measure, you know what
I mean. I've seen The Walking Dead. That's what they do,
you know, you know what I mean. And I think
that's like it's also that's the only thing that I'm
way off topic here. One thing that bugs me in
movies When I see a movie character, they should be
picking up a gun. It just it just makes sense
to me.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Maybe maybe if you're climbing an elevator needs a gun.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Maybe if you're climbing an elevant shaft, an elephants shaft, elephant,
elevant eleat. You know, I went to the Zoom when
I was a kid once, and I just think a
movie character should be picking up guns. It just it
just makes sense to me, go for it. Uh, I

(46:13):
don't know that just that's.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
That's honestly, let's just rate it and get out here.
I don't have anything more to say.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I have a few I have, of course.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You always have more to say. I wrote down, Okay, God,
you're such a bad sport. I asked you, like talk
about things, and you just looked at me and you said,
what did you say? I don't have anything to talk
about have something to say.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It doesn't work that way exactly, buddy.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
You're on a podcast.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That's exactly how If I don't have anything to say,
I'm not going to say nothing, say nothing nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Annie Wolks is real. We talked about this. No, really,
she's very obsessive and I love that about the character.
Real and crazy anger. There's a all just notes that
I just want to tell you some of my notes.
I love. I love how in a second instant, when
she's upset about something, she just flips her lid and

(47:13):
throws shit. I just think it's so funny, and it
makes the reaction shots with James can unsettling but funny
somehow at the same time.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Like it is kind of funny, there's some humor funny.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
My dad thought I was crazy for finding this movie funny,
because I bet it scared him when he was eleven
years old. Yeah, but yeah, eleven years old, I guess
he would have been. And so it's just I don't know.
But for me, for me, it works as a comedy
in a way too, because all the reaction shots with
James Can everyone in the theater was laughing her asses off.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
It was so much fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
It's unsettling humor, that's funny. And yes, maybe in the nineties,
I would have been scared if I was eleven, But now,
being nineteen and desensitized, if it's a shit, it's like,
I guess twenty almost now.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Hey, wow, it's just kind of like an old boy.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I know. It's just like it's just one of those
things where it's like, you know what I'm saying, you
know what I'm saying. What else is there? Doesn't diet
a typewriter. That's a dislike of mine. I liked it
better than The Shining Uh. And I wanted to have
a discussion with you.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
We have been having a good discussion.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's been a good discussion. I want to talk about
fandoms nowadays, and I think This is a good it's
a good extreme movie because think about like Star Wars
fans and how crazy Star Wars fans get if the
source material changes, or how crazy Star Wars fan materials
if it's not imaginative enough, right, or just any anything

(48:41):
right Marvel stands think. I think this is a great
kind of like extreme example of how people when they
get too attached to something can kind of start to
lose reality in a bit, you know, you know what
I mean? Yeah, do you have anything to add to.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
That, Like, I mean, I think that, like, yes, it's
it's a good example of that. However, I wouldn't say
that that's the case nowadays because I think that reason
fans get so obsessed and upset nowadays is because studios
are not giving us like, like something entertaining, so we

(49:22):
should grab Kevin Figy.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, put a.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Board in between his leg. No, Kathleen Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Really, I don't get the hate between Kathleen Kennedy. She's
a freakin' maron because she has She's been a producer
on so many great movies that yeah, you know, she
was a producer on all those movies.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
And then when she became the head of Lucasfilms. What
did the quality of stores Films do? So it wasn't her.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I don't know enough about Kathleen Kennedy, but I see
a lot of her producing PGA things on movies and like,
oh cool Kathleen Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, the old ones when she wasn't the head producer. Okay, okay, okay,
don't get me started. Okay, fine, this is an after
show discussion. I just thought it was funny that fandom
nowadays is kind of crazy and insane in some ways, Like.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I think it's justified, Like I think it's justified.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Well, I just think like I think it's this is
an extreme version of like how when you can get
attached to something like that, you know what I mean,
you can kind of lose your your way a bit.
And I think you see that sometimes in media nowadays,
where you're like, okay, buddy, like it's just a book.
Let's let's maybe calm down a bit.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
But you know what I'm saying, No, well, perfect, I
can't agree with you on everything.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
No, I like, I'm sorry, what do you disagree with?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I just I mean, I I'll agree that in this
this is a case of it going too far, But
I don't think it relates to anything nowadays with with
modern fandoms.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I don't think it's like a direct relation. I just
think it's like there's some similarities there, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
When I really I don't, I don't know what you're
trying to say.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
That fan base, there's this extreme fan base or something
like that that that gets very upset and overworked when
something isn't done the way they think it's supposed to be.
They don't like the new Marvel series, they don't like
the new Mandalorian season right right, And I think this
is an extreme example of someone who didn't like the
newest book that Paul Sheldon wrote. So she's taking action

(51:30):
into her own hands because she's the fandom, right, So.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
That's I see what you're saying. But I think that
in this case, I don't think it's a good comparison
because I think most cases nowadays where fans don't like something,
it's justified in my opinion, and it's not.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
But this is a work of fiction. Yes, this is
a work of fiction, but it's correlating the work of
fiction to things that haven't happened. You see what I mean?
This didn't happen. I'm aware, I understand this.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I'm fully aware that that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
But to me, this is it.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
This, this does isn't the same as fans being unhappy
about something justifiably and and that I don't know, but
I think. I mean, I see what you're saying where
it's it's just an extreme case of that. But I
don't But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
No matter what studios do, they can't make everyone happy.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
No, but the thing is, they're making nobody happy right
now except themselves. Yeah, it's like that meme. It's like
that meme I just showed you.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I think, I think, my god, I'm just imagining that elephant.
I don't know. I think you can't make everyone happy,
even when studios do something right to the point where
it's it's.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Like right, But the thing is, right now, they're making
nobody happy. And if they changed a few things, they'd
be making a lot of people happy.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But maybe they are just making you not happy.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
No, it's not just me. It's not just me. It's
not just me, you know what I mean. The majority
of people are not and.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
That's why I feel like why I'm relating to it
is Hold on a second. What if everyone else really
loved the new Paul Sheldon manuscript and it was the
next big thing. But all of a sudden, Annie we
came in and she was like, hey, I actually hate
this because it's absolutely but two different from the absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
But as you just said, everybody else liked it, so
the majority of people liked it, right, right, But that's
my point is that nobody likes it.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
But in this in this instant, it doesn't matter about
the majority anyways, because it's just it's just those two
guys sitting there and in a room. Right, But that anyways,
that's just it's not like a direct correlation. I'm not
being like, oh hey, this is very reminiscent of Star
Wars fans nowadays. I just think like I'm I'm a

(53:54):
Star Wars fan. I like some stuff, I don't like
some other stuff. Right, I'm not going to kidnap Kathleen
Kennedy and break her legs until she writes a good
Mandalorian script because I know Dave Filoni's gonna write the
next Mandalorian script, you know, you know what I mean.
It's just like, no, I don't, so you're gonna kidnap Kathleen, na,
is this are we aalized to say that?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
By the way, No, we know, we know that's a joke.
That is a joke now, and I love you, I don't,
but I'm not I'm not that not that psychotic.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh, Kathleen, No, I would kidnap John Favreau. You know what,
We've already gone this far. If you could kidnap three celebrities,
would you kidnap and like, like just kidnapnap a day?
I cannapp for day?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
And am I like kidnapping them so that I can
like go hang out and have fun with them, or
like kidnapping them and keeping my basement breaking their legs?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
No, no, no, here's what we're gonna do. If you were
Annie Wilkes, that way, it was we're not saying who
we kidnapped, wink wink, so FBI, I think Annie Wilkes
would really love to kidnap the uldograss Tyson anyways, Adam,
who's your for?

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I think Annie? Who would she?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I think probably all of the Kardashians.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Annie Wilkes would really love Sidney Sweeney. Who do you
think Annie Wilks would getting up next?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Adam.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I gotta think about that one for a second.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
I had one good pick.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm never going to see the lights of God?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
What else? What else?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
What else?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Who's a good one? Connor McGregor, what.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Okay, it's a sexual thing for Addie Wilkes. Who else
would I Annie Wookes?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Who would I Annie Wilkes?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Who else? Don't the science guy would be interesting for
Annie Wolkes. Uh? It was like a really oh oh,
of course, Annie Wolkes would love John Favreau, of course.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
And Stephen King mm.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Hmmm, like we gonna say Stephen Hockey, just.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Like what.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
He said, Stephen And I was like, what she has
a cheril right? Oh my god, dude, I really it's
on the tip of my tongue, Like, what's Oh, Steve Carell,
Annie Wilkes would love Steve Carrells. I ethan think Steve

(56:44):
Carell is just an amazing person. I love I think
he's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I just I thought we were choosing people that we
would want to any Wolkes to kidnap.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Annie Wilkes would love to kidnap. See.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Oh well, that then that makes all my picks, doesn't mean?
And then all my picks are wrong. Those are people
that I would want her to kidnap.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I was just saying, like, I don't think we're allowed
to say we'd kidnap someone, but if we hypothetically pose
that any Wilkes kidnap them, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I think we've gone too far with this episode.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, for sure, we've got to get You've got to
get out of here in the crazy something more crazy?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, okay, that's I mean, that's about it.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Rate it? Yeah, I man, I enjoyed this movie. What
do you rate it? Aren't give it an eight? Yeah,
I'm thinking seven and a half for eight?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I which one?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Uh seven point seven?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Seven point seven five? There we go. Yeah, let's just
let's just do that. That's dor. I don't know. I mean,
we've talked about it a lot. I think it's enjoyable.
I think I find it more funny than suspenseful. And
maybe that's a bad thing, but I I just had
a good time. It was good. Kick a plain. Thank
you for watching the viewing Room. You can follow us
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(58:15):
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feel like that's probably gonna happen on this episode, then uh,
subscribe to your Patreon. We'd love to hear from you there.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
What what what was terrible that we can't say?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I don't know, we aren't gonna cut Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Okay, anyways, well what made it to the episode? Based
on what made it to the episode, let us know,
and then maybe a director's cut will be released on.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Patre That would be fun on Patreon. Just released the
fully unedited versions.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
No, anyways, Like, we really appreciate what you guys watch
and listen and hear us ramble. So it's just it's
a lot of appreciated and we make dumb jokes, but
but yeah, it just it means a lot to us.
So thank you so much for listening and watching and
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I mean tune in next week where we talk about
Groundhog Day. I guess. Yeah, all right, February January was

(59:15):
a long month, wasn't it? All right?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well, thanks, Oh my god,

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