February 4, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've we were gonna film our viewing room episode on
that today and then Gary said, hey, I'm sick, I
need you guys do the show, and so we decided, well,
we're gonna do a combination.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So essentially, at.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Part of your show, you get a live viewing room.
So figured I bring you bring Dragon on up here
and we'll get this going here and now time for
the viewing room with Adam and Eton. So if you're
(00:42):
a viewing room audience, thank you for joining viewing room.
You're your show audience, thank you for joining your show,
and maybe go check out the other if you're only
viewing one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
This is perfect. This is a nice little.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Too nice nice crossover.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, like my like my shampoo. There goes the dragon
and there it goes dragon. Okay, other dragon, other dragon.
So so should we do a viewing room intro to
give the folks what they want?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Welcome to the viewing room, where we talk about films
new and old, local and global. They were gonna be
talking about Groundhog Day, which was released February twelfth, nineteen
ninety three. So usually it takes me twelve times to
get that entire real.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There's a lot of goofing around, and I play some
random music at the beginning, and there's a lot of
we gotta be careful what we say because this isn't
this isn't as much produced, this is this is this
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh, this is all wrong, funny No, no, actually, never mind.
So Groundhog Day budget a fourteen point six million us
D grossing seventy million us D at the box office. Now,
I'm sure it's gross more and DVDs and whatnot, but
that was the box office details, fourteen point six million dollars,
two of which went to Bill Murray from what I
(01:47):
could tell. So already like that, you're twelve million dollars, right,
So not a very like high budgeted film. But when
you break down how it's actually shot, you know you
can kind of see why, right, So do.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know how long they shot, like they actually spent shooting?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Is?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like I've been pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I wanted to say it was twenty two I wanted
to say it was twenty two days, but that was
light risk, So I'm not sure. Harold Ramis actually said
that he shot it pretty quickly because he knows the
longer Bill Murray works on a movie that not the
angrier but the more restless he gets and the grouchier
he gets. So he actually did all the easy scenes first,
(02:28):
he said, and then did the hard scenes later where
Bill Murray was supposed to be a bad guy. Yeah,
because he thought he'd get a better performance from a
grouchy Bill Murray.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I have to say I went into it expecting Bill
Murray to be his usual asshole self, and he was
he delivered.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah. Yeah, another another film.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I've never watched a Bill Murray movie where he doesn't
he isn't a complete asshole for at least part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I don't know. And then by the end you
like Bill Murray, right, so it's like, yeah, it's like,
I don't know. Bill Murray is so good at being
so hateable but so likable at the same Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's so weird.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, another movie where a girl falls in love with
Bill Murray. She's ten times above his right class. But whatever,
you know, maybe for people who aren't as into the
film stuff. We kind of explain this on the show
a few times. But to save money, when you shoot
a film, you don't shoot it from start to finish. Okay.
(03:20):
I mean some abstract directors might do that whatever. But
usually when you get a location and you say, okay,
we're gonna be at Avengers Tower six times in the film, Well,
we're not going to go to Avengers Tower six times,
right and move our location and crew. We're gonna shoot
three days an Avengers Tower and get those scenes out
(03:41):
of the way, and then we'll move somewhere else. And
then that way we can move as little as possible,
stay in the same location. Sometimes there's reshoots, whatever doesn't
work out, but that's kind of how you do it
to save money. So when we're shooting in a film
that takes place in similar locations and has reoccurring scenes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, well it'll be really quick because you don't don't
have to make that many changes for each scene, right, right.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Like Bill Murray, Let's say he goes to this bar
six times. Okay, Well, we know that's one location, you know,
and it's six scenes with a little bit of variation.
But we're same characters, same time of day, the same outfits, right,
and it's just a change in dialogue. So really, you know,
it might only be it might only be a day
(04:22):
and a half of shooting at this one location and
then boom, we're done, right, And so that's kind of
why I think this film doesn't have as big as
a budget as we may have thought from a ninety
three Bill Murray movie. Right, you know, this is a
third of the budget of what Ghostbusters Do would have
had a couple years prior. Right, Yeah, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Okay, okay, So you go to the phone.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I should say cast Bill Murray, Annie McDowell, Chris Elliott.
Those are a kind of main trio. And it's directed
by Harold Ramis. I guess Bill Murray and Harold Ramis
had a bit of contention going through the years. It
kind of did stop Bill Murray and Harold Ramis from
talking for a bit, and then they reconnected before Harold
(05:10):
Ramis died, fortunately, but this movie was part of the
reason that they actually kind of fell apart a bit.
But you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Then, a cynical TV weatherman finds himself reliving the same
day over and over again when he goes on a
location to the small town of Pucksatani to film a
report about their annual Groundhog Day. His predicament drives him
to distraction until he sees a way of turning the
situation to his advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, he does, yes, exactly. So this isn't a new
idea per se. No, this is something that has been
done a lot in film, and it's not like it's
not like a super original idea, but it's executed very well.
Where we have Bill Murray trapped reliving a day and
we're going to see him going through different scenarios. Was like, Hey,
(06:02):
how could I make the most money this day? How
could I get with the most women this day? Right,
what's the craziest thing I could do and get away with?
And what can I learn? And how can I grow? Right?
And and so we see a lot of that. So
there's actually thirty eight days depicted in this movie. Yeah,
thirty eight individual scenarios or days.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think there's a lot more than that though, Yes,
like they make reference to it a few times that, yes,
he potentially spent months there.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, especially since he learned how to play piano and
recite French poetry and and and X y Z. He
does all these things that it would actually make you
think that he maybe spent three months, right, and not
not just over a month, right, So I think we're
on the same page about that. I'm happy you think
the same way because I was going to bring that
(06:50):
up as well. So usually at this point we do
a plot, we can kind of speak on the plot.
This time, I think I think it's pretty pretty Yeah.
Bill Murray Weather reporter, Uh, he kind of wants to
move up in the world. He's he's not really happy
with where he's at right now. New producer Rita comes
in and uh, you know, she's the attractive girl that's
(07:12):
gonna fall in love with Bill Murray even though Bill Murray's,
you know, not an upstanding guy. But we'll get there
and and uh yeah. So they go to Punk Satani
to essentially celebrate Groundhog Day where they pull a little
groundhog out of a stump. This is a real thing
in Punk Satani, by the way, And if Groundhog Season
(07:34):
show this year, yes, yesterday at the Groundhog Festival in
Punk Satani Punk Satani Phil Phil has seen his shadow
again this year, which means we have six more weeks
of winter for you Canadian folk on it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well, I mean, honestly, ground Groundhog Day is it when,
especially when you live in Canada.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Suggestions, more like Groundhog Day festival. Yeah, and weather's gonna
do whatever it's gonna do. And most of the time
you get another two months of winter.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, dude, why are they waking up that poor groundhog
for whatever? Right? Yeah? So yeah groundhog this year, that's
six six more weeks of winter. So did it in
this year in this film as well? Yeah? So obviously
big festival for a small town, usually bringing around maybe
(08:30):
like two thousand people. So it's a big, big event
for Punksadani and for Bill Murray. He does this every year.
It's old, it's boring, it sucks, and he's just not
happy with it. He can't wait to be done and
move on to bigger, better things. But the universe has
other plans for him, because when the day is over,
(08:50):
he wakes up and has to do it all over
again and again and again. So he tries various things
to understand his situation, which later involves him trying to
off himself in a few various ways, like a toast, Yeah,
which was pretty crazy, jumping off of building other stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And my one question with that was, and they didn't
explain it very well if at all, was let's say
he commits suicide right by a train.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He jumps off a building or something.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is it immediately reset or does or does does the
rest of the world live out the rest of that day?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like, you know, they find his body and they're so
confused and YadA YadA, YadA, and they live out.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The rest of the day. And the reason I'm going
to say that so adamantly is because when he jumps off,
there's a scene right after in the morgue where like
the mortician whatever she and yeah, and Rita is there
and she's like, yeah, that's him, right, So yeah, it
(09:56):
goes till six or whenever, it goes till six am,
and then I Got You babe, right that we're back.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Ye, that music using that same music to make it
clear to us.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yes, and that music I Got You Babe was written
in the original script because of how repetitive that song already. Yes,
funny enough, So yeah, that's why I think that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, no, that makes sense. I forgot about that one scene,
so yeah, to me, that that's why.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So Bill Murray is trapped in this time loop where
no matter what he does, he can't. He tries killing
Punk Satani Phil, he kidnaps. That's so funny Phil, which
is yeah, funny he gets on.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But he doesn't even doesn't just like shoot him or something.
He has to drive him off of freaking cliff.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, like yeah, and and funny enough punk Satani fill
in that scene bit Bill Murray so bad that Bill
Murray had to go get medical like help because he
was bleeding so bad. And a raby shot. He was
actually bit twice by the groundhog in this film or
Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Groundhog groundhog I had to bite Bill Murray.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, So what happened is in one of the vehicle shots,
the groundhog is trying to escape over the wheel of
the like a like a steering wheel, and Bill Murray
keeps pulling him back so he doesn't escape. I guess
the groundhog must have just turned around and went right
right and and bit his hand right, and so it
was bit twice. So that wouldn't have been fun for everyone.
(11:30):
They give him a vaccine and all that. I couldn't
imagine that. Man, that's so funny. And the day keeps
going on and there's little variations, right, So.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, see, I don't think we need to know,
we don't need to go into all of it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, there's little variations and we see him,
like you said, trying different things, trying to you know,
Rob Banks, sleep with people whatever. And then also but
like it's it's they show within those I'm gonna call.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Them like story or day cycles. I guess you'd say.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I'm like, so, you know, for this these this set
of days, he's trying to achieve X y Z, But
it takes in multiple days to do that because you know,
the first day he's got to go and he gets
halfway through the conversation before you know, they're disgusted with him,
and you know, but then he's got the information. So
then the next day he can make it further and
then further, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They have a really good scene where he's trying to
figure out Rita's favorite drink. Yes, once he hears Reada's
favorite drink, he immediately walks back into the room and
he's like, you know, like what should we drink to?
And she's like, oh, you usually drink to a world
peace And he walks right back into the room. Yeah
to a world peace, right, right, and yeah, whatnots? And
and so he tries to fall in love with Rita
by basically memorizing everything about her. Yeah, and and I
(12:46):
guess she falls for it for a bit, and then
she doesn't fall for it, and he kind of realizes,
oh man, it might actually be helpless because he's tried
so many times, over and over and over again to
get her to fall in love with him, but it
won't work. But at this point, he's actually fallen in
love with her because he knows everything about her and
how similar they are. But she doesn't know that because
she's had six hours of liking Phil to get to
(13:06):
know him. He's had thirty days right of just every
day with her, and so you know, it's creepy to
her and to an audience, it's also like feels a
little weird, yeah, But to him and of course it
makes sense, right because he spent all this time trapped
in this moment, right, that's all he has to cling onto.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so eventually Bill Murray gives up. He tries doing
all the things like killing himself. It doesn't work. And
then I guess he has memorized the day in the
event so much that he's trying to escape and he
realizes that, hold on a second, maybe it's not about
(13:51):
falling in love or doing this, it's maybe more about
doing the right thing to actually get through the day.
And so he starts to take things seriously again, where
he's like, he's actually gonna put some effort and work
into the Groundhog Festival and presenting it to the news,
as hard as it might be for him. He's going
to help people around the city. He's going to buy
life insurance from Ned. Ned's a guy's name, right, Yeah,
(14:14):
you know, And instead of trying to trick Rita into
falling in love with him, he's going to just try
and be we should be and do the right thing
and not not try and gaslight her or manipulate her
into being in love with him. Right. It eventually works.
The day finally ends in Bill Murray escapes and we're
(14:36):
left being like, hey, Bill Murray's finally finally there, which
means we should have a little reset.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
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Speaker 3 (15:13):
Dot com.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
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I'm not doing that.
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I can't do it as well as him. Yeah, that's
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He always does the email first, so that you say,
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Speaker 2 (16:09):
We also have a different but I don't know what else.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It is just different Avenue Media. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Gary doesn't push the social media enough because he doesn't
like social media, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I don't have those ones memorized.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It's our job now. So funny enough, this film is
actually filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, Okay, not Pennsylvania, much like
a chuck of Wichuck could chuck wood Wow? Okay, that
should be like a Is that like a pilot thing?
(16:41):
That's how you're supposed to talk on the radio. Every
single pilot sounds like that on the radio, mixing this
few ozz.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What's your record for longest eleven seconds?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck, this is your
captain speaking. We've reached our cruising altitude and uh, we're
gonna take a breath before that one.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
You know, you know I wouldn't stop. I was just
like you're watching your show for an Avenue Media Networks
number one hit show from four to five month in Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know we're the number one hit show.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay, yeah, remember yeah, statistically we have are the number one.
Oh you keep telling yourself that have you looked at
the statistics. No, then then you have to take my
word for it.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I guess. I guess so yeah. Uh, Like I said,
this is a pretty common theme yea for a movie,
And truthfully, I think it's just executed so well that
it works, right.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, I I don't know if it's executed like spectacular.
It's good, but I don't feel like it's anything special,
like I haven't like. I mean, the one of the
movies I watched is very much like This Is Tomorrow
with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt, and that's another one
that's really well executed. Yeah, I don't know. I can't
think of any more off the top of my head
(18:09):
that are like this. It's exact re living the same day.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right, the time has been has has been done right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But yeah, no, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't think there's anything like over the top special
about this one. I mean, it's good, like that's the
thing is, it's not bad at all. I just don't
think it's like standout special.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's a little
more special to me, I don't. I think it's very
charming and and some of its humor, like like in
Seeing Bill Murray have a bit of a redemption arc
is sweet. And I think for me, there's enough moments
of Bill Murray going from asshole the nice guy back
to asshole that like it puts you on a journey
of like, oh, is he actually going to change? Is
(18:53):
he actually going to redeem himself? And he does eventually
redeem himself, right, And I think I think that's a
good thing. You know, he starts to act care and
and he's in it for the right reasons, actually caring
and not trying to gain something out of it. Yeah.
I mean you can argue he's trying to gain his
freedom back out of a time loop or whatever, but
I mean at a certain point he's tried that, right,
(19:14):
and so whatever. And one thing I enjoy is the
message isn't preach right.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that's true, That's very true.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's never once said that, oh I have to be
a good guy to escape the day or whatever like that.
It's it's just shown to us as an audience.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, and also I think it's shown to him as well,
because he's trying to figure out, Okay, how the hell
do I get out of this loop? It's not like,
you know, some deity comes down and.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Too exit to this loop.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You must whatever, you know, So I think that also
it's like positive reinforcement, you know, in a way when
he does good things, good things happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, and it's it's not being spoon fed to us
in any way. It's too Yeah, it's it's it's very consistent,
and you know, it's not going to be some crazy
voiceover exposition being like Okay, you know, I am in
Phil with the news and I'm going to escape and
challenge my inner self. It's it's like, no, he's just
(20:11):
tries and tries.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're trying to figure it out with him as we go,
like okay, well about.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
This exactly, yes, and I like that. You know, before
this film was released, Punks Tawny had about two thousand
people coming on their Groundhog Day celebration. Now an average
of twenty to forty thousand people come for their festival.
That's pretty cool, actually, Yes, so there is a lot
(20:37):
of there is a lot of people coming to see
this sand and it's awesome. I mean we're hearing about
it still to this day. I mean it's been going
on a long time. This movie didn't create this thing.
This has been going on forever.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I wonder what the origin of groundhog days, So I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I don't know a lot about the origins, but I
do know there is a line in here that Bill
Murray says, and he's like shouting. He's like, yo, you
you people used to eat the groundhog and when this
day really meant something? Right, which is true. The original
origins of groundhog Day was actually more of a hunt
from what I can tell, and they would eat groundhogs
on Groundhog Day and then it turned into something less
(21:16):
than that. I don't know if it was like mad
cow disease or something like that, chronic wasting disease, but
but yeah, like that, that's was kind of not like
that wasn't a throwaway line. That kind of actually does
have some meaning to it. I don't know the exact roots,
but that was something I was reading. It's like, hey,
this is actually like he was right in saying this
(21:40):
funny enough, right right? Yeah, And obviously Harold Ramis passed
away two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
When he passed away, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And luckily Bill Moray and him kind of came back
together after that. But yeah, yeah, there's always been some
there was a lot of contention between them for some time,
and and I don't think it shows it all, but like,
I don't know. I think Harold Ramis had a lot
of people in mind for who he was choosing to
have the role of Phil and I know there was
(22:14):
a lot of talks between different actors and stuff, but
it was eventually settled with Bill Murray and he thought that, like, hey,
Bill Murray can be lovable and hateable enough to pull
this off, right right, they made it happen. Harold Ramis
is almost He's not very recognizable in this film as
the as like the doctor. When Bill Murray goes to
(22:35):
the doctor to get like the scans and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Very that's Harold Ramis.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah. Yeah, isn't it pretty crazy?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I didn't notice that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, And I was like, yeah, not right, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Like Peter Jackson level.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, like he was always famous for his his cameos,
but like he would hide them really well.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's tough, like I got. I don't
know what was going on there, but it was interesting. Yeah,
I mean I don't have much left to say, what
about you?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Honestly, like this this movie is it's just one of
those ones that like it's good, but like I feel
like there's not a lot to analyze in a way.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like like it's it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They don't really go out and try anything new exactly.
I don't feel like I maybe at this time that
whole time travel loop was was not as common. But
I feel like like when I watch this, I'm like, yeah,
good movie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I enjoyed it. I might watch it again.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I'm not gonna go out my way to watch it again.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
But I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Like like they didn't they didn't like they didn't do anything.
And I'm not saying every movie has to try something
new at all, right, Like you can make a great
movie and not try anything.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
New, but like I just feel like.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's all pretty vanilla and and so that doesn't leave
a lot to like, Oh, I really liked the way
they had this that really did something.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Else and you know what I mean, Like I don't know, Yeah,
I mean for me, like I don't I agree with
some of this stuff you said, but for me, like
I think this movie is really good, Like I enjoy
specifically Bill Murray's character, right, I like, I like the
character journey in it, and to me, it feels more realistic.
(24:20):
It's not super hyper dramatic in a way. It's like
it actually feels it's hard explained, but it actually feels
like Bill Murray is going through that time loop and
you feel some of his desperation and then you actually
notice a change in his in his performances and stuff
like that. And Yeah, I don't know, Like I I've
always just appreciated how how well it flows together. Yeah,
(24:41):
I think the editing in this film is a big
thing for me too. A lot of those scenes where
Bill Murray will like say something and then instantly walking
back into the room or instantly cutting and saying something,
lots of jump cuts and stuff like that, don't that.
I think the editing brings it together in a big
part for me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The other thing I was thinking about is like, you know,
a lot of films, they will have a lot more
what's the word looking for improvisation m in them, and
I feel like this is one where they couldn't do
that as much because there are so many things that
need to be specific, right, Like the conversations need to
(25:17):
go exactly the same way so that he can fit
those things that he learned the first day in right,
and and and so I wonder if if that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Less for Bill Murray Les Murray. Bill Murray can can
do a little bit of improv and and shift, but
I'd say every other actor has it the most, Like
especially Ned. Every single Ned scene he has to be
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, Phil, they probably only shot that once because they
cut away from that that like when he first notices
him the street and then he runs over. They probably
only shut that once because I'm pretty sure the used
the same shot every time because it cuts away as
soon as these teams start to run. It cuts to
whatever that specific scene is.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But Phil says different things, right, but each time, right,
So I feel like I feel like some.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Of them they could they could only shoot once.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I mean maybe, yeah, I feel like that one I'd
have to see if there was like a cutaway shot
in between, because I feel like a lot of time
Phil is saying different things, and on that one scene
he comes up and goes Phil and then Phil turns
around and hugs Ned like super crazy and Ned like
runs away true, right, So like Ned Ned zone that
runs away, which is pretty funny. Yeah, but yeah, I
(26:30):
see what you mean. That is an interesting point to see,
like how many of those scenes were actually shot? How
many times? If you're just changing out the dialogue a bit,
you know, maybe you only have to do the close
up on some of the actors like Rita once or twice,
you know, you know what I mean, And then Bill
Murray's close ups have to be done a hundred times.
But but when you only have one reaction shot like oh, yeah,
(26:51):
my favorite drink is x y Z or you know
I like to drink to world peace, Well, Beryl Murray
is the only one who's really changing his thing until
the character is yeah, unless the other character is reacting
to what Bill.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Murray is saying when it goes, then each time it
gets further in a conversation, hopefully in variations.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
But yeah, I think that is that is true for
for what you say, because there really isn't any not
that there isn't improvisation, but you're right, you have to
be a little more precise. You can't like yeah, you
have to be intentional with how you feel it. And
I think I think that's why I like this movie
is I feel like everything had a bit of a purpose. Yeah,
(27:29):
And I'm not sitting there like, okay, well why did
he do that. Why did he do that? I mean,
if you want to nitpick and pick apart every little
thing that Bill Murray did. But I think realistically it
feels like Bill Murray is acting with intention. Yeah, And
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It also has to be planned too, Like that's the
other thing is like the amount of planning to go
in that would go into it to make.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
This all come together.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So you know, the writers and the directors.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And everyone who who is involved in the planning of it,
they they really.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Your director needs to really understand this rial. Yeah, and
and make sure that things are like things are going
to be smooth and go ahead. And your script supervisors
have an important.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Have an important very true. Script supervisors are very important.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
On assistant directors, superscript supervisors, all those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But yeah, I I think this is a good discussion
for this, So you want to rate it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I've been thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I've been thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yah. I see, like here's this is one of those
ones where like I enjoyed it and I felt like
it was a good film, Like I don't feel like
it deserves a super high rating.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So yeah, like I don't know, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I I don't know I guess I'm gonna go with
a seven.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Seven, Okay, Like a seven is respectable, Like it's a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, Like that's the thing is is there's nothing bad
and there's nothing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's just good.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's just a solid, solid movie.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Like I don't think this film is necessarily like
magnum Opus of cinema, but I do really enjoy it.
Like it's probably an eight. It's an eight out of
ten for me. I I enjoy the performances a lot.
I think Bill Murray does a great job. I like
Bill Murray, but I think he does such a good
job of being asshole. It's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think everything, I mean, ghosts and everything, he plays
the asshole perfectly.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like yeah, oh man, you almost.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Wonder if he's acting in some of those scenes.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, well that's just it. And I don't know. I
just I really enjoyed this film. I love a lot
of things about it. And it's easy to watch too, right, Yeah,
Like that's I'm not trying to sit and fight with
the logic in my head and like you know what
I mean, Yeah, I'm just kind of I just kind
of believe it's happening, right, there's no stickle curse or
charm or or witch that comes out of nowhere, right
(30:03):
like I it's it's kind of left unexplained. And is
that okay?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think so, I think so I will, but it's
it's that's That's another good point is we don't we
kind of know something like we we kind of know.
I the one thing I wondered was with that nurse.
That nurse when she's like, well, some people just die
and there's no body and there's no chart in anything
like that was like the turning point where all of
a sudden, Okay, it was like, okay, I think this
(30:31):
might be the morning that he wakes up just fine
mm hm. And so I wonder like, we're not one
hundred percent sure, but we haven't a idea of kind
of what did it. But I kind of like that
at the same time, like you said, we don't really know.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
My theory is when Bill Murray the first day is
trying to get out of Punk Satani, he gets he's
like trying to make a call on the long distance
line and someone will walks by and hit some on
that with a shovel. My theory is that he was
hit on the head by that shovel and it gave
him brain damage.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So he's been living in a white, padded room the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, well I'm going to get
the poster because I didn't grab it all.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Right, that's right, this is on a poster. So yeah,
So for Christmas, we exchanged, we exchanged gifts. I got
Ethan and myself we got Custom viewing Room T shirts.
Yeah I did, well, it was you, but then I
couldn't just get you a T shirt and not get
me one, so I got myself a T shirt as well.
So Custom viewing Room T shirts and Ethan we'd kind
(31:35):
of talked about this months ago when we first started
the show. But Ethan got a top one hundred movie
posters according to whoever made this poster, and it's like
got the little scratcher squares for each of the one
hundred movies on it. So when you watch the movie,
scratch it off. And now we've watched probably between us
we figure about eighty percent of these, maybe ninety. But
(31:57):
what we're doing is when we watched them and review
them on Viewing Room, that's when we scratch them off.
So we're gonna do oh, Groundhog Days, the last one
on here. All right, you use my keys, your keys,
We can.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Hold it up. Please be a groundhog, Please be a groundhog.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh it's six o'clock six infinity. Actually that's kind of
cool with the infinity symbol.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think that's really awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That's because that that really represents it, because they how
many times do they show that that's six on the clock.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You can, we can hold it up here. Maybe it
might be good to go to camera three, but you
can see it down there, six o'clock. Yeah, this really,
that's it. Good. So you can see all the movies
we've reviewed so much so far. Sorry, this is the
ninth movie we've done on this list. Like I said,
we've probably watched most of them. But yeah, so I
(32:50):
guess we have a few coming up with Colisseum Presents.
But you should also let us know in the comments
and the chat anywhere on Instagram page. You can send
us a DM what movies you want to see next.
It doesn't have to be on this list. It can
be one of your favorites. It can be something super abstract.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Something you hate too. If you want to see us
talk on something you hate.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It could be a really bad movie, it could be
a really great movie, and it could be a short film.
If you want to see us just some short films,
we can make it happen. So send us a message
at the viewing room minus or send us a message
on damn anywhere. We are always happy to hear from you, guys.
I don't know are we gonna keep going.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I always think we got about twenty minutes left in
the your show version of this, so we'll cut off
the viewing room here. So thank you for watching the
viewing room and now we'll continue with your show.
We've we were gonna film our viewing room episode on
that today and then Gary said, hey, I'm sick, I
need you guys do the show, and so we decided, well,
we're gonna do a combination.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So essentially, at.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Part of your show, you get a live viewing room.
So figured I bring you bring Dragon on up here
and we'll get this going here and now time for
the viewing room with Adam and Eton. So if you're
(00:42):
a viewing room audience, thank you for joining viewing room.
You're your show audience, thank you for joining your show,
and maybe go check out the other if you're only
viewing one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
This is perfect. This is a nice little.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Too nice nice crossover.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, like my like my shampoo. There goes the dragon
and there it goes dragon. Okay, other dragon, other dragon.
So so should we do a viewing room intro to
give the folks what they want?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Welcome to the viewing room, where we talk about films
new and old, local and global. They were gonna be
talking about Groundhog Day, which was released February twelfth, nineteen
ninety three. So usually it takes me twelve times to
get that entire real.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There's a lot of goofing around, and I play some
random music at the beginning, and there's a lot of
we gotta be careful what we say because this isn't
this isn't as much produced, this is this is this
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh, this is all wrong, funny No, no, actually, never mind.
So Groundhog Day budget a fourteen point six million us
D grossing seventy million us D at the box office. Now,
I'm sure it's gross more and DVDs and whatnot, but
that was the box office details, fourteen point six million dollars,
two of which went to Bill Murray from what I
(01:47):
could tell. So already like that, you're twelve million dollars, right,
So not a very like high budgeted film. But when
you break down how it's actually shot, you know you
can kind of see why, right, So do.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know how long they shot, like they actually spent shooting?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Is?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like I've been pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I wanted to say it was twenty two I wanted
to say it was twenty two days, but that was
light risk, So I'm not sure. Harold Ramis actually said
that he shot it pretty quickly because he knows the
longer Bill Murray works on a movie that not the
angrier but the more restless he gets and the grouchier
he gets. So he actually did all the easy scenes first,
(02:28):
he said, and then did the hard scenes later where
Bill Murray was supposed to be a bad guy. Yeah,
because he thought he'd get a better performance from a
grouchy Bill Murray.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I have to say I went into it expecting Bill
Murray to be his usual asshole self, and he was
he delivered.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah. Yeah, another another film.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I've never watched a Bill Murray movie where he doesn't
he isn't a complete asshole for at least part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I don't know. And then by the end you
like Bill Murray, right, so it's like, yeah, it's like,
I don't know. Bill Murray is so good at being
so hateable but so likable at the same Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's so weird.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, another movie where a girl falls in love with
Bill Murray. She's ten times above his right class. But whatever,
you know, maybe for people who aren't as into the
film stuff. We kind of explain this on the show
a few times. But to save money, when you shoot
a film, you don't shoot it from start to finish. Okay.
(03:20):
I mean some abstract directors might do that whatever. But
usually when you get a location and you say, okay,
we're gonna be at Avengers Tower six times in the film, Well,
we're not going to go to Avengers Tower six times,
right and move our location and crew. We're gonna shoot
three days an Avengers Tower and get those scenes out
(03:41):
of the way, and then we'll move somewhere else. And
then that way we can move as little as possible,
stay in the same location. Sometimes there's reshoots, whatever doesn't
work out, but that's kind of how you do it
to save money. So when we're shooting in a film
that takes place in similar locations and has reoccurring scenes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, well it'll be really quick because you don't don't
have to make that many changes for each scene, right, right.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Like Bill Murray, Let's say he goes to this bar
six times. Okay, Well, we know that's one location, you know,
and it's six scenes with a little bit of variation.
But we're same characters, same time of day, the same outfits, right,
and it's just a change in dialogue. So really, you know,
it might only be it might only be a day
(04:22):
and a half of shooting at this one location and
then boom, we're done, right, And so that's kind of
why I think this film doesn't have as big as
a budget as we may have thought from a ninety
three Bill Murray movie. Right, you know, this is a
third of the budget of what Ghostbusters Do would have
had a couple years prior. Right, Yeah, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Okay, okay, So you go to the phone.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I should say cast Bill Murray, Annie McDowell, Chris Elliott.
Those are a kind of main trio. And it's directed
by Harold Ramis. I guess Bill Murray and Harold Ramis
had a bit of contention going through the years. It
kind of did stop Bill Murray and Harold Ramis from
talking for a bit, and then they reconnected before Harold
(05:10):
Ramis died, fortunately, but this movie was part of the
reason that they actually kind of fell apart a bit.
But you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Then, a cynical TV weatherman finds himself reliving the same
day over and over again when he goes on a
location to the small town of Pucksatani to film a
report about their annual Groundhog Day. His predicament drives him
to distraction until he sees a way of turning the
situation to his advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, he does, yes, exactly. So this isn't a new
idea per se. No, this is something that has been
done a lot in film, and it's not like it's
not like a super original idea, but it's executed very well.
Where we have Bill Murray trapped reliving a day and
we're going to see him going through different scenarios. Was like, Hey,
(06:02):
how could I make the most money this day? How
could I get with the most women this day? Right,
what's the craziest thing I could do and get away with?
And what can I learn? And how can I grow? Right?
And and so we see a lot of that. So
there's actually thirty eight days depicted in this movie. Yeah,
thirty eight individual scenarios or days.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think there's a lot more than that though, Yes,
like they make reference to it a few times that, yes,
he potentially spent months there.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, especially since he learned how to play piano and
recite French poetry and and and X y Z. He
does all these things that it would actually make you
think that he maybe spent three months, right, and not
not just over a month, right, So I think we're
on the same page about that. I'm happy you think
the same way because I was going to bring that
(06:50):
up as well. So usually at this point we do
a plot, we can kind of speak on the plot.
This time, I think I think it's pretty pretty Yeah.
Bill Murray Weather reporter, Uh, he kind of wants to
move up in the world. He's he's not really happy
with where he's at right now. New producer Rita comes
in and uh, you know, she's the attractive girl that's
(07:12):
gonna fall in love with Bill Murray even though Bill Murray's,
you know, not an upstanding guy. But we'll get there
and and uh yeah. So they go to Punk Satani
to essentially celebrate Groundhog Day where they pull a little
groundhog out of a stump. This is a real thing
in Punk Satani, by the way, And if Groundhog Season
(07:34):
show this year, yes, yesterday at the Groundhog Festival in
Punk Satani Punk Satani Phil Phil has seen his shadow
again this year, which means we have six more weeks
of winter for you Canadian folk on it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well, I mean, honestly, ground Groundhog Day is it when,
especially when you live in Canada.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Suggestions, more like Groundhog Day festival. Yeah, and weather's gonna
do whatever it's gonna do. And most of the time
you get another two months of winter.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, dude, why are they waking up that poor groundhog
for whatever? Right? Yeah? So yeah groundhog this year, that's
six six more weeks of winter. So did it in
this year in this film as well? Yeah? So obviously
big festival for a small town, usually bringing around maybe
(08:30):
like two thousand people. So it's a big, big event
for Punksadani and for Bill Murray. He does this every year.
It's old, it's boring, it sucks, and he's just not
happy with it. He can't wait to be done and
move on to bigger, better things. But the universe has
other plans for him, because when the day is over,
(08:50):
he wakes up and has to do it all over
again and again and again. So he tries various things
to understand his situation, which later involves him trying to
off himself in a few various ways, like a toast, Yeah,
which was pretty crazy, jumping off of building other stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And my one question with that was, and they didn't
explain it very well if at all, was let's say
he commits suicide right by a train.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He jumps off a building or something.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is it immediately reset or does or does does the
rest of the world live out the rest of that day?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like, you know, they find his body and they're so
confused and YadA YadA, YadA, and they live out.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The rest of the day. And the reason I'm going
to say that so adamantly is because when he jumps off,
there's a scene right after in the morgue where like
the mortician whatever she and yeah, and Rita is there
and she's like, yeah, that's him, right, So yeah, it
(09:56):
goes till six or whenever, it goes till six am,
and then I Got You babe, right that we're back.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Ye, that music using that same music to make it
clear to us.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yes, and that music I Got You Babe was written
in the original script because of how repetitive that song already. Yes,
funny enough, So yeah, that's why I think that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, no, that makes sense. I forgot about that one scene,
so yeah, to me, that that's why.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So Bill Murray is trapped in this time loop where
no matter what he does, he can't. He tries killing
Punk Satani Phil, he kidnaps. That's so funny Phil, which
is yeah, funny he gets on.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But he doesn't even doesn't just like shoot him or something.
He has to drive him off of freaking cliff.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, like yeah, and and funny enough punk Satani fill
in that scene bit Bill Murray so bad that Bill
Murray had to go get medical like help because he
was bleeding so bad. And a raby shot. He was
actually bit twice by the groundhog in this film or
Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Groundhog groundhog I had to bite Bill Murray.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, So what happened is in one of the vehicle shots,
the groundhog is trying to escape over the wheel of
the like a like a steering wheel, and Bill Murray
keeps pulling him back so he doesn't escape. I guess
the groundhog must have just turned around and went right
right and and bit his hand right, and so it
was bit twice. So that wouldn't have been fun for everyone.
(11:30):
They give him a vaccine and all that. I couldn't
imagine that. Man, that's so funny. And the day keeps
going on and there's little variations, right, So.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, see, I don't think we need to know,
we don't need to go into all of it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, there's little variations and we see him,
like you said, trying different things, trying to you know,
Rob Banks, sleep with people whatever. And then also but
like it's it's they show within those I'm gonna call.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Them like story or day cycles. I guess you'd say.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I'm like, so, you know, for this these this set
of days, he's trying to achieve X y Z, But
it takes in multiple days to do that because you know,
the first day he's got to go and he gets
halfway through the conversation before you know, they're disgusted with him,
and you know, but then he's got the information. So
then the next day he can make it further and
then further, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They have a really good scene where he's trying to
figure out Rita's favorite drink. Yes, once he hears Reada's
favorite drink, he immediately walks back into the room and
he's like, you know, like what should we drink to?
And she's like, oh, you usually drink to a world
peace And he walks right back into the room. Yeah
to a world peace, right, right, and yeah, whatnots? And
and so he tries to fall in love with Rita
by basically memorizing everything about her. Yeah, and and I
(12:46):
guess she falls for it for a bit, and then
she doesn't fall for it, and he kind of realizes,
oh man, it might actually be helpless because he's tried
so many times, over and over and over again to
get her to fall in love with him, but it
won't work. But at this point, he's actually fallen in
love with her because he knows everything about her and
how similar they are. But she doesn't know that because
she's had six hours of liking Phil to get to
(13:06):
know him. He's had thirty days right of just every
day with her, and so you know, it's creepy to
her and to an audience, it's also like feels a
little weird, yeah, But to him and of course it
makes sense, right because he spent all this time trapped
in this moment, right, that's all he has to cling onto.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And so eventually Bill Murray gives up. He tries doing
all the things like killing himself. It doesn't work. And
then I guess he has memorized the day in the
event so much that he's trying to escape and he
realizes that, hold on a second, maybe it's not about
(13:51):
falling in love or doing this, it's maybe more about
doing the right thing to actually get through the day.
And so he starts to take things seriously again, where
he's like, he's actually gonna put some effort and work
into the Groundhog Festival and presenting it to the news,
as hard as it might be for him. He's going
to help people around the city. He's going to buy
life insurance from Ned. Ned's a guy's name, right, Yeah,
(14:14):
you know, And instead of trying to trick Rita into
falling in love with him, he's going to just try
and be we should be and do the right thing
and not not try and gaslight her or manipulate her
into being in love with him. Right. It eventually works.
The day finally ends in Bill Murray escapes and we're
(14:36):
left being like, hey, Bill Murray's finally finally there, which
means we should have a little reset.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, I was gonna say, so this is again we're
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I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I can't do it as well as him. Yeah, that's
our website, and Gary says I did in the wrong order.
He always does the email first, so that you say,
if that's too long, then you can well anyway contact
at different av dot com.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
That's email.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
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business is because they have their own email domain. So yeah,
if you want to get in cut in touch with us,
we do like we lot, we're you know, hyper local.
We do lots of community focused stuff like coliseum, you know,
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Speaker 2 (16:09):
We also have a different but I don't know what else.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It is just different Avenue Media. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Gary doesn't push the social media enough because he doesn't
like social media, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I don't have those ones memorized.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It's our job now. So funny enough, this film is
actually filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, Okay, not Pennsylvania, much like
a chuck of Wichuck could chuck wood Wow? Okay, that
should be like a Is that like a pilot thing?
(16:41):
That's how you're supposed to talk on the radio. Every
single pilot sounds like that on the radio, mixing this
few ozz.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What's your record for longest eleven seconds?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck, this is your
captain speaking. We've reached our cruising altitude and uh, we're
gonna take a breath before that one.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
You know, you know I wouldn't stop. I was just
like you're watching your show for an Avenue Media Networks
number one hit show from four to five month in Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know we're the number one hit show.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay, yeah, remember yeah, statistically we have are the number one.
Oh you keep telling yourself that have you looked at
the statistics. No, then then you have to take my
word for it.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I guess. I guess so yeah. Uh, Like I said,
this is a pretty common theme yea for a movie,
And truthfully, I think it's just executed so well that
it works, right.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, I I don't know if it's executed like spectacular.
It's good, but I don't feel like it's anything special,
like I haven't like. I mean, the one of the
movies I watched is very much like This Is Tomorrow
with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt, and that's another one
that's really well executed. Yeah, I don't know. I can't
think of any more off the top of my head
(18:09):
that are like this. It's exact re living the same day.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right, the time has been has has been done right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But yeah, no, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't think there's anything like over the top special
about this one. I mean, it's good, like that's the
thing is, it's not bad at all. I just don't
think it's like standout special.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's a little
more special to me, I don't. I think it's very
charming and and some of its humor, like like in
Seeing Bill Murray have a bit of a redemption arc
is sweet. And I think for me, there's enough moments
of Bill Murray going from asshole the nice guy back
to asshole that like it puts you on a journey
of like, oh, is he actually going to change? Is
(18:53):
he actually going to redeem himself? And he does eventually
redeem himself, right, And I think I think that's a
good thing. You know, he starts to act care and
and he's in it for the right reasons, actually caring
and not trying to gain something out of it. Yeah.
I mean you can argue he's trying to gain his
freedom back out of a time loop or whatever, but
I mean at a certain point he's tried that, right,
(19:14):
and so whatever. And one thing I enjoy is the
message isn't preach right.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that's true, That's very true.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's never once said that, oh I have to be
a good guy to escape the day or whatever like that.
It's it's just shown to us as an audience.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, and also I think it's shown to him as well,
because he's trying to figure out, Okay, how the hell
do I get out of this loop? It's not like,
you know, some deity comes down and.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Too exit to this loop.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You must whatever, you know, So I think that also
it's like positive reinforcement, you know, in a way when
he does good things, good things happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, and it's it's not being spoon fed to us
in any way. It's too Yeah, it's it's it's very consistent,
and you know, it's not going to be some crazy
voiceover exposition being like Okay, you know, I am in
Phil with the news and I'm going to escape and
challenge my inner self. It's it's like, no, he's just
(20:11):
tries and tries.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're trying to figure it out with him as we go,
like okay, well about.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
This exactly, yes, and I like that. You know, before
this film was released, Punks Tawny had about two thousand
people coming on their Groundhog Day celebration. Now an average
of twenty to forty thousand people come for their festival.
That's pretty cool, actually, Yes, so there is a lot
(20:37):
of there is a lot of people coming to see
this sand and it's awesome. I mean we're hearing about
it still to this day. I mean it's been going
on a long time. This movie didn't create this thing.
This has been going on forever.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I wonder what the origin of groundhog days, So I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I don't know a lot about the origins, but I
do know there is a line in here that Bill
Murray says, and he's like shouting. He's like, yo, you
you people used to eat the groundhog and when this
day really meant something? Right, which is true. The original
origins of groundhog Day was actually more of a hunt
from what I can tell, and they would eat groundhogs
on Groundhog Day and then it turned into something less
(21:16):
than that. I don't know if it was like mad
cow disease or something like that, chronic wasting disease, but
but yeah, like that, that's was kind of not like
that wasn't a throwaway line. That kind of actually does
have some meaning to it. I don't know the exact roots,
but that was something I was reading. It's like, hey,
this is actually like he was right in saying this
(21:40):
funny enough, right right? Yeah, And obviously Harold Ramis passed
away two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
When he passed away, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And luckily Bill Moray and him kind of came back
together after that. But yeah, yeah, there's always been some
there was a lot of contention between them for some time,
and and I don't think it shows it all, but like,
I don't know. I think Harold Ramis had a lot
of people in mind for who he was choosing to
have the role of Phil and I know there was
(22:14):
a lot of talks between different actors and stuff, but
it was eventually settled with Bill Murray and he thought that, like, hey,
Bill Murray can be lovable and hateable enough to pull
this off, right right, they made it happen. Harold Ramis
is almost He's not very recognizable in this film as
the as like the doctor. When Bill Murray goes to
(22:35):
the doctor to get like the scans and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Very that's Harold Ramis.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah. Yeah, isn't it pretty crazy?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I didn't notice that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, And I was like, yeah, not right, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Like Peter Jackson level.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, like he was always famous for his his cameos,
but like he would hide them really well.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's tough, like I got. I don't
know what was going on there, but it was interesting. Yeah,
I mean I don't have much left to say, what
about you?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Honestly, like this this movie is it's just one of
those ones that like it's good, but like I feel
like there's not a lot to analyze in a way.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like like it's it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They don't really go out and try anything new exactly.
I don't feel like I maybe at this time that
whole time travel loop was was not as common. But
I feel like like when I watch this, I'm like, yeah,
good movie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I enjoyed it. I might watch it again.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I'm not gonna go out my way to watch it again.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
But I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Like like they didn't they didn't like they didn't do anything.
And I'm not saying every movie has to try something
new at all, right, Like you can make a great
movie and not try anything.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
New, but like I just feel like.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's all pretty vanilla and and so that doesn't leave
a lot to like, Oh, I really liked the way
they had this that really did something.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Else and you know what I mean, Like I don't know, Yeah,
I mean for me, like I don't I agree with
some of this stuff you said, but for me, like
I think this movie is really good, Like I enjoy
specifically Bill Murray's character, right, I like, I like the
character journey in it, and to me, it feels more realistic.
(24:20):
It's not super hyper dramatic in a way. It's like
it actually feels it's hard explained, but it actually feels
like Bill Murray is going through that time loop and
you feel some of his desperation and then you actually
notice a change in his in his performances and stuff
like that. And Yeah, I don't know, Like I I've
always just appreciated how how well it flows together. Yeah,
(24:41):
I think the editing in this film is a big
thing for me too. A lot of those scenes where
Bill Murray will like say something and then instantly walking
back into the room or instantly cutting and saying something,
lots of jump cuts and stuff like that, don't that.
I think the editing brings it together in a big
part for me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The other thing I was thinking about is like, you know,
a lot of films, they will have a lot more
what's the word looking for improvisation m in them, and
I feel like this is one where they couldn't do
that as much because there are so many things that
need to be specific, right, Like the conversations need to
(25:17):
go exactly the same way so that he can fit
those things that he learned the first day in right,
and and and so I wonder if if that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Less for Bill Murray Les Murray. Bill Murray can can
do a little bit of improv and and shift, but
I'd say every other actor has it the most, Like
especially Ned. Every single Ned scene he has to be
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, Phil, they probably only shot that once because they
cut away from that that like when he first notices
him the street and then he runs over. They probably
only shut that once because I'm pretty sure the used
the same shot every time because it cuts away as
soon as these teams start to run. It cuts to
whatever that specific scene is.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But Phil says different things, right, but each time, right,
So I feel like I feel like some.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Of them they could they could only shoot once.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I mean maybe, yeah, I feel like that one I'd
have to see if there was like a cutaway shot
in between, because I feel like a lot of time
Phil is saying different things, and on that one scene
he comes up and goes Phil and then Phil turns
around and hugs Ned like super crazy and Ned like
runs away true, right, So like Ned Ned zone that
runs away, which is pretty funny. Yeah, but yeah, I
(26:30):
see what you mean. That is an interesting point to see,
like how many of those scenes were actually shot? How
many times? If you're just changing out the dialogue a bit,
you know, maybe you only have to do the close
up on some of the actors like Rita once or twice,
you know, you know what I mean, And then Bill
Murray's close ups have to be done a hundred times.
But but when you only have one reaction shot like oh, yeah,
(26:51):
my favorite drink is x y Z or you know
I like to drink to world peace, Well, Beryl Murray
is the only one who's really changing his thing until
the character is yeah, unless the other character is reacting
to what Bill.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Murray is saying when it goes, then each time it
gets further in a conversation, hopefully in variations.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
But yeah, I think that is that is true for
for what you say, because there really isn't any not
that there isn't improvisation, but you're right, you have to
be a little more precise. You can't like yeah, you
have to be intentional with how you feel it. And
I think I think that's why I like this movie
is I feel like everything had a bit of a purpose. Yeah,
(27:29):
And I'm not sitting there like, okay, well why did
he do that. Why did he do that? I mean,
if you want to nitpick and pick apart every little
thing that Bill Murray did. But I think realistically it
feels like Bill Murray is acting with intention. Yeah, And
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It also has to be planned too, Like that's the
other thing is like the amount of planning to go
in that would go into it to make.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
This all come together.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So you know, the writers and the directors.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And everyone who who is involved in the planning of it,
they they really.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Your director needs to really understand this rial. Yeah, and
and make sure that things are like things are going
to be smooth and go ahead. And your script supervisors
have an important.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Have an important very true. Script supervisors are very important.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
On assistant directors, superscript supervisors, all those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But yeah, I I think this is a good discussion
for this, So you want to rate it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I've been thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I've been thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yah. I see, like here's this is one of those
ones where like I enjoyed it and I felt like
it was a good film, Like I don't feel like
it deserves a super high rating.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So yeah, like I don't know, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I I don't know I guess I'm gonna go with
a seven.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Seven, Okay, Like a seven is respectable, Like it's a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, Like that's the thing is is there's nothing bad
and there's nothing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's just good.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's just a solid, solid movie.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Like I don't think this film is necessarily like
magnum Opus of cinema, but I do really enjoy it.
Like it's probably an eight. It's an eight out of
ten for me. I I enjoy the performances a lot.
I think Bill Murray does a great job. I like
Bill Murray, but I think he does such a good
job of being asshole. It's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think everything, I mean, ghosts and everything, he plays
the asshole perfectly.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like yeah, oh man, you almost.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Wonder if he's acting in some of those scenes.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, well that's just it. And I don't know. I
just I really enjoyed this film. I love a lot
of things about it. And it's easy to watch too, right, Yeah,
Like that's I'm not trying to sit and fight with
the logic in my head and like you know what
I mean, Yeah, I'm just kind of I just kind
of believe it's happening, right, there's no stickle curse or
charm or or witch that comes out of nowhere, right
(30:03):
like I it's it's kind of left unexplained. And is
that okay?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think so, I think so I will, but it's
it's that's That's another good point is we don't we
kind of know something like we we kind of know.
I the one thing I wondered was with that nurse.
That nurse when she's like, well, some people just die
and there's no body and there's no chart in anything
like that was like the turning point where all of
a sudden, Okay, it was like, okay, I think this
(30:31):
might be the morning that he wakes up just fine
mm hm. And so I wonder like, we're not one
hundred percent sure, but we haven't a idea of kind
of what did it. But I kind of like that
at the same time, like you said, we don't really know.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
My theory is when Bill Murray the first day is
trying to get out of Punk Satani, he gets he's
like trying to make a call on the long distance
line and someone will walks by and hit some on
that with a shovel. My theory is that he was
hit on the head by that shovel and it gave
him brain damage.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So he's been living in a white, padded room the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, well I'm going to get
the poster because I didn't grab it all.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Right, that's right, this is on a poster. So yeah,
So for Christmas, we exchanged, we exchanged gifts. I got
Ethan and myself we got Custom viewing Room T shirts.
Yeah I did, well, it was you, but then I
couldn't just get you a T shirt and not get
me one, so I got myself a T shirt as well.
So Custom viewing Room T shirts and Ethan we'd kind
(31:35):
of talked about this months ago when we first started
the show. But Ethan got a top one hundred movie
posters according to whoever made this poster, and it's like
got the little scratcher squares for each of the one
hundred movies on it. So when you watch the movie,
scratch it off. And now we've watched probably between us
we figure about eighty percent of these, maybe ninety. But
(31:57):
what we're doing is when we watched them and review
them on Viewing Room, that's when we scratch them off.
So we're gonna do oh, Groundhog Days, the last one
on here. All right, you use my keys, your keys,
We can.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Hold it up. Please be a groundhog, Please be a groundhog.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh it's six o'clock six infinity. Actually that's kind of
cool with the infinity symbol.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think that's really awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That's because that that really represents it, because they how
many times do they show that that's six on the clock.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You can, we can hold it up here. Maybe it
might be good to go to camera three, but you
can see it down there, six o'clock. Yeah, this really,
that's it. Good. So you can see all the movies
we've reviewed so much so far. Sorry, this is the
ninth movie we've done on this list. Like I said,
we've probably watched most of them. But yeah, so I
(32:50):
guess we have a few coming up with Colisseum Presents.
But you should also let us know in the comments
and the chat anywhere on Instagram page. You can send
us a DM what movies you want to see next.
It doesn't have to be on this list. It can
be one of your favorites. It can be something super abstract.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Something you hate too. If you want to see us
talk on something you hate.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It could be a really bad movie, it could be
a really great movie, and it could be a short film.
If you want to see us just some short films,
we can make it happen. So send us a message
at the viewing room minus or send us a message
on damn anywhere. We are always happy to hear from you, guys.
I don't know are we gonna keep going.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I always think we got about twenty minutes left in
the your show version of this, so we'll cut off
the viewing room here. So thank you for watching the
viewing room and now we'll continue with your show.
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