March 25, 2025 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They just watched a dragon destroy probably like the most
beloved building at the time, that church, like that chapel,
destroy all the stained glass windows, even the ones he
didn't have to destroy, destroying she sorry, uh. And and
(00:22):
then eight their king or lord and then left. Yeah.
But and they were like to be fa actually like him.
And then and then on top of all of this,
they watched two ogres get married and they're like everyone's like, yeah,
(00:48):
loves first kiss. No one was like, maybe let's get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And now time for the viewing room with Adam and Eton.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Do I look good? You look fantastic. Welcome to the
viewing room, where we talk about films new and old,
local and global. Today we're talking about Trek, which released
in two thousand and one April twenty second to be specific,
with a budget of sixty million US dollars. Yep, sixty
million US dollars sounds like a fair bit for in
(01:37):
early two thousand's animation, but with how high the quality is.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and also considering how long it took them to
make it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, that was my next point is starting in nineteen
ninety six, finishing in two thousand and one, kind.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Of a long Road and I got to give a
shout out to Amazon Prime. I never noticed this before, WOA,
but they just hold on, hold on, hold on. This
was once a thing I like. When you pause it,
it has like the cast on the side. It pulls
it from IMDb. It has like the cast and it
has some little trivia things on the side. I actually
I'd never noticed before, and I really like that. I
one thing they're doing right.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I was not expecting an Amazon shutout, but I do.
I do agree with you because when I like watched
Jack Ryan, you had like tap the little Roku remote, Yeah,
and it would be like actors in this yeah, exactly,
Like it's really cool. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
That's pretty awesome. And I think that is something kind
of cool and I think every streaming service should have
(02:35):
that because it's just so easy to find information. Yeah,
if you're walking past the TV and something's like.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like how many times do you like, oh I know
that actor? Where do I know them from? Well, in
this case, you just hit one button and you know
who it is exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I agree with you. It's very it's like, yeah, it's perfect.
April twenty second, two thousand and one US release date.
A lot of the other Shrek films released in May.
Know why I've just said that, but I said it.
I don't know if that was like super pertinent to
this conversation. It was, obviously, but I wouldn't have said it.
(03:07):
But May seems to be like the month of Shrek,
and I'm pretty sure isn't May when the New Shrek releases,
like next May.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Strange.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe we'll get to that because the New Shrek is
going to have some people Shrek.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That I think. So, yeah, what is it number four
or five? Oh, it's gotta be five. It's just five.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, it's five, because there's Shrek, Shrek two, Shrek, the
Third Shrek. It's it's not four, but it's well, it's four,
but it's not the name or something. Yeah, forever after
something like that. So this would be Shrek five.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Once upon a time and Shreky would yeah, something like that.
Not sure how that goes. Cast Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy,
Cameron Diaz, John LetGo.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Eddie Murphy does a fantastic Yeah, Eddie freaking love donkey
in this movie. He's probably my favorite character.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, sorry if my energy sounds a little low. Obviously.
I just came off of getting sick again. I feel
like that's twice this year I've gotten sick and it's
only it's only what March almost a Yeah, that's brutal.
I feel like March is just you know, yeah, I
(04:20):
feel like this year, the year is twenty percent over already.
Is that weird? Yeah? That is yeah, kind of strange, Okay.
John Lethgow as Lord Farquad is hilarious, perfect casting, maybe
what incredible job as Lord fari Quad. And I was
(04:41):
trying to research fun facts and random things and the
biggest thing I could find is John Lethgoe is like
a tall guy. He's six' four, yeah, yeah so Tall Lord.
Farkwise what is he for to one or? Something he's
for six six six? Four yeah that's, okay that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
FUNNY i.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Doubt they did that on, purpose but like pretty funny to, Me,
LIKE i don't, know he's just super, short AND i
think it goes to satirical almost cartoon villain like random
king and and it's. HILARIOUS i THINK i think they
do a really good job With Lord farquad's character and
(05:24):
made him feel like, realistic you know WHAT i, mean
in a land where.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
WELL i feel like they nail the fantasy land, vibes like,
yeah between Between Lord farquad and The dragon and The
lava and just all the random fairy tale creatures thrown,
in like it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Just it just were one thousand yeah scene.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like it just it just makes you feel like all
those stories that you, know you read as a child
or whatever are in one you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know, yes so much so that the producers thought they
were gonna get sued By.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Disney OH i can see that. Happening That disney's very.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Litigious the first people to watch the movie when it was,
done we're like like a large community of, lawyers, yeah
WHICH i mean sounds like most, movies like WHEN i
think about, it like for being, honestly.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah like most movies are going to get picked over
by a team of lawyers before they're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah for, sure and insurance and. Stuff but, like BUT
i think this they definitely thought, like, well this is
gonna be it for. Us between The cinderella Snow white
references and the, dwarves, yeah and then a whole army
of fairy tale creatures appearing In. Shreks.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah BUT i mean it's free advertising for For disney
too at the same, time, RIGHT i, mean, like you
know your, kids he's, that they're like, Cool i've ever
heard that, story and then you go and show them that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
STORY i don't. Know to, me it's free. Advertising the thing,
IS i think you can make the argument Does disney
have the? Rights that's, true like maybe they have like
the character, rights where like they look a certain way
and wear certain. Things but wouldn't you consider there to be?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Fair, yeah they're like folk, tales like a lot of
them have origins long Before.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Disney so who owns? Those?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, RIGHT i MEAN i guess probably public domain technically
for a lot of, them.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Given the fact That Mickey mouse's public. Domain, yes, well
now that's just a time based.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Thing Makim mouse is only public domain because it's BEEN
i think it's fifty years since the original creator's, death right.
Anything that's can't you argue that with all The well,
yeah BUT i guess the origins aren't as, clear SO
i guess maybe it would BE i don't, know you,
know that's that's a good question for a, lawyer and
either of us are, lawyers so very.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Interesting, yeah hard to, SAY i UH i don't think
it's super duper, matters but but, yeah there we. GO
i THINK i think you can use the word snow
white probably maybe somewhere without having to. Worry BUT i
think it's like when you draw snow white looking like snow,
(07:54):
white like you, know you. Know, YEAH i don't. KNOW
i have no idea why that it, Really i'm just
talking in my. Ass the new Snow, white the live
action one coming. OUT m.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hmm it did come, out, yep AND i think it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
FLOPPED i know it. FLOPPED i hope it. Flopped uh,
YEAH i don't really have any stats in. THAT i
heard it wasn't doing so well at the box. Office,
no it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Was it was one of those releases that they were just, Like,
okay we have to get this. Out it should have
been In january with the quietest release.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Possible but, YEAH i think that's a tough thing, too,
right is when there's no hype around, it you know
WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Mean, well when your lead actress goes and trashes, everybody
it's pretty hard to market a movie. Properly who's This
Rachel Zegler, really there's been a lot of controversy around
her in Gal gado and a bunch of, Stuff like
she came right.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Out Gal gado in the.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Movie, yeah that's, Why like the Whole oscars thing was so.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Awkward what was The oscars?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Thing, well like you, know like when they were Presenting
no OR i don't remember which one they, presented, like
it was like the tension was palpable and, like, yeah,
no there's been a whole bunch of.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Shit look it. Up i've been living under a. Rock
yeah you literally. Have, yeah, SORRY i GUESS i wasn't
as in tuned with Snow.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
White it's been a big thing because they went through
like seventeen million reshoots and first there was Original there
was like originally live action, dwarves and then that was
considered offensive to some, people so then they put IN
cgi dwarves that look like, monstrosities and then and the
other thing THAT i find really really funny about that
(09:27):
is that so, Like Rachel zegler is not, unattractive but
we can all Agree Gal gadot is far more attractive
Than Rachel. Zegler, Yes and when you Have Gal gadot
playing the evil, queen it's like who's the fairest of them?
All and she wants to be as beautiful As Rachel.
Zegler it's, like this doesn't make any sense, Anyway we're
(09:50):
way off. Topic now that makes, Sense, okay thanks for
like the little. DEPRIEF i, fore like the president there
in the situation, room like that was so.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Good let's hit up a. Snopsis, yes once upon a
time in a far away, swamp there lived an ogre Named,
shrek whose precious solitude is suddenly shattered by an invasion
of annoying fairy tale. Creatures, there they were all banished
from their kingdom by the evil Lord. Farquad determined to
(10:23):
save their, home not to mention His shrek cuts a
deal with Far quad and sets out to Rescue Princess
fiona to be Far quad's. Bride rescuing the princess may
be small compared to her deep dark. Secret, nope saying
This shrek wants to save their home not really.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
True, no he he, Says i'm gonna get you, back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh where you came, from and and they're all like,
yeah and he's, like, OKAY i guess this this is,
happening and you you're coming with, me you know. That.
Whatever but Like Mike MIAs does the accident very, Well oh,
wow that was really. Solid CAN i pay you to
like call Before betty and Like scott me to? Sleep,
(11:10):
No so he basically all these fairy tale creatures come
just To shrek And shreks And. Ogre he's living in
a swamp and and they've all been banished from like
the whatever the lands because the du loc, Well dulock
is one of, them like one of the areas in the,
(11:31):
kingdom because they're discussing fairy tale creatures that don't belong
with like human normal. Folk, Right so they've all been
banished just For, shreks, Swamp shreks And. Ogre he Likes
Peace's he's very much a kind of a, loner you
know WHAT i. Mean he wants to be left alone
(11:52):
because people think he should be left. Alone and and
he thinks that if people think he should be left,
alone then maybe he should be left alone, too because
if everyone is going to be like scared of, him
then maybe it's just a scary Dumb. Ogre he, says
it's kind of, sad but we'll get to. That he Meets.
Donkey donkey's a talking, donkey very creative name played By Eddie,
(12:15):
murphy and Basically donkey And shrek go on a quest
to Do locke to Tell Lord, farquad who's banished all
these fairy tale creatures in his, home to send them
back where they came. From. Ulster he's going to be
doing some big dumb ogre stuff and you, know take
over the lands. Again, Right so they go to Due,
(12:37):
lock where there's an arena taking. Place basically what's happening
Is Lord farquad wants a princess because if he has a,
princess they can become king and. Quing, right that's basically that's.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Idea he's a, prince he's a, lord and so if
he marries a princess and he becomes.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
King, Yes lord farquahd yes. Me, yeah it's. FINE a
little small. Thing, Yeah i'm, like, yeah he's a. Sar,
okay that's why they call him Sar Lord. Farquad. No
so Basically shrek And donkey go To Lord, farquad who's
(13:27):
hosting a tournament of champions of, sorts to find out
who's gonna rescue his bride or. Him, now why would
we whittle down the competition when we could just send
a battalion of men to go rescue the.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Girl because it's supposed to be one champion one the
best knight of them. All so they're not, killing it's
just a. Tournament they're just you, know mildly making each.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Other but, Anyways shrek And donkey come and everyone's like
shocked to see an ogre and and so everyone starts fighting, like.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh they're shocked to see an, ogre but not a talking.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Donkey, yeah it's, LIKE i feel like.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
An ogre is more more acceptable in this this case
than a talking. Donkey, well and Then Lord farko, goes
oh what is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That it's? Hideous oh that's not very. Nice he's just a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Donkey yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Good oh, man the.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Dialogue is just so snappy like. That, yeah it's really.
Good it's such a funny. Movie, man, GOSH i love this.
Movie and then you've seen this, before EVERYONE'S i haven't
seen it in a long. Time and that's the other
thing IS i noticed so many more of the adult.
Jokes it's, crazy like we talk about it with all
of our Like pixar animated, ones but like they're just
(14:42):
masters Of you don't notice it as a, kid and
then you watch it as an adult and you're, like oh my,
god how did they get away with that, like it's.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Crazy, YEAH i AND i feel Like i've Seen shrek a,
lot like a lot, lot almost like every, YEAR i feel,
like but, YEAH i definitely enjoy. It, anyway a, Ways
shrek And donkey end up winning This tournament Of champions
and an everything will fight, scene and instead of killing
The lord Of harquad's, like oh, Hey i'm gonna send
these guys to go get the princess and in, Return
(15:12):
i'll Free Shrek's i'm gonna turn that heater off. Again
we forget that's every goddamn. Time, Yes So shrek And
donkey said out on their quest to Rescue Princess, fiona
there's this nice little scene where they're walking through like
a cornfield or like some. Crops shrek picks up an.
Onion he's like Showing donkey that ogres are like onions
(15:32):
because they have, layers not like. Cakes But shrek kind
of tries to relate To donkey, that you, know there's
more To shrek than just scaring people and getting what
he wants, basically And donkey tries to understand. That, now
To donkey's, Credit donkey's the only one that doesn't see
(15:54):
him necessarily as An. Ogre, yeah sees him as a,
friend And shrek is kinda you, know we see that
at the start of the filming is kind of, like,
OH i never kind of thought, that. Right, anyways they
go on a, quest they find the castle Where Princess fiona.
Is there's a. DRAGON i, mean we can go through
(16:16):
some of this a bit if you, want but, Basically
donkey seduces the. Dragon. Donkeys you PLAY d AND D
it's Every bard's. Dream, Yeah donkey seduces the. Dragon and
that's fine until then two films from now when they
have kids and you see the amalgamation of flying donkey.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
BABIES i haven't seen that one. Yet oh, god DO
i want to see?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
This first of, ALL i want you to think about
how it. WORKS i.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
DON'T i really don't want to think about.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That, actually, yeah, yeah that was.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Weird, also the fact that there one is a reptile
and one is a mammal that really makes even less.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Sense what that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Looks like something out of a horror. Movie send that
to me And i'm gonna put it on the.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Screen there's A polygon Article shrek two didn't chicken out
on Its donkey dragon. Sex it's an article let me
just send that your. Way.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, god that that looks like what's the what was
that big thing that was going on, teletubbies like some
of those horror pictures Of. Teletubbies, yeah like so, anyways
they look like they're bread of.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Incest but that's. Fine look that's like a. Better that's
like a. Better, yeah that is, weird really. Weird they're
very cute in a weird. Way, yeah so so, Whatever
donkey seduces a. Dragon, Basically shrek Rescues. Fiona, Yes fiona
(17:59):
is like, like, whoa thanks for rescuing my captor and
like now we kind of have to Have truelove's first
kiss and. Whatnot but But shrek explains, like, no this
isn't gonna be, us this is gonna Be Lord farquad
because he's basically paying me to like rescue. You and,
Uh he's, like, well what kind of prince doesn't like
come and save her? Princess AND i don't. KNOW i
(18:23):
guess you're gonna have to ask him.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yourself and so they make a whole bunch of jokes
about his his. HEIGHT i love all the jokes that they.
Make there're stating for. Something, yeah well and just like
all like you're gonna have to measure it out and
all those ones that like just, yeah oh, god AND
i mean they double, too is you, know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes Unlike Lord. Farquad, Yes. Fiona basically after they escape the,
keep is like demands to see What shrek looks like
so she can know who is very ridiculous scenes in my, Opinion,
Yes shrek takes off his.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Helmet it didn't fit very well any you could see
he was large and green and his ears and his
ears and his, hands like tell me you didn't, notice.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, exactly but he does take off his. Helmet she
finds out she's an. Ogre she's, like, OH i wasn't
supposed to be this. Way she demands to go back
to the keep until like a real night can come
rescue her and. Whatnot but, no she shoulder and away they, go,
yeah stretch like this isn't gonna happen. Now whatever some
shenanigans we've there's like they get, robbed basically highway. Robbery
(19:30):
i'm gonna skip through most of that because, like, REALLY
i don't think we need to like go super. Deep
like the plot's fairly, simple but you, know for an
animation of its, Time, LIKE i wouldn't be surprised if
it had, like like not the most locations. Ever i'm
trying to just think of like other like animated, MOVIES i, Mean.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Toy story from that. Time they Have andy's, room they
Have sid's, room they have the gas, station a pizza,
planet a couple of little street, scenes, right that's basically.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It, yeah like this one and this one's so much
like swamp, castle different, fields, Right, yeah forest forest to
get the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Volcano one other.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Castle we got like a gold keep in, there we
got like we got like the actual keep with With.
Fiona we have.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
All the like space in between those all those the church, chapel,
right the other the other tower that they're, In.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yes We're fiona like the. Mountain then we're Like fiona like,
yeah there's, yeah there's a, ton, right AND i feel
LIKE i feel like there's a.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Lot AND i mean that's probably also contributed to the
length of time it took to make.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
This. Right they're not going back to very similar, locations.
RIGHT I mean you could say they go back To
Shrek swamp a couple of, times but even the contents
Of Shrek's swamp is changing, throughout, right like between dinner
scenes and. Stuff and then you also have, LIKE i
guess the backdrops are mostly the, same so there is
some like, overlay but like there is a lot of,
variation especially with all the fairy tale creatures that are
(21:08):
being in. There. Right but you, know we kind of
find out That shrek is developing feelings For fiona while
also struggling with feelings with himself because he's, like how
(21:28):
could a princess really love an? Ogre? Right and so
he feels kind of, silly like why is he developing
feelings for a princess anyways when he kind of just
wants peace and privacy and all this other stuff and
he doesn't even know if he deserves like, love, Right,
Yeah And fiona is also kind of developing feelings For
shrek in a weird way because at, Night Princess fyoda
(21:52):
turns into an. Ogre Oh basically some foreshadowing that happened
earlier with the Magic mirror is, like why should we
tell you at night there's a? CURSE i don't want
to hear. It, Yes and and, anyways we find out
that at Night fiona turns into an, ogre but she
doesn't Show Shriker donkey that because it's kinda weird and
(22:16):
they might like exile. Her well she thinks she's ugly then,
yes But donkey has a, line, well you're only ugly
fifty percent of the, time which is kind of. Funny
interesting thing when the light hits her, okay, sorry when
(22:41):
the light hits her in the, morning that's when she
turns into a, human, Right but at, night when it's,
dark she turns into an. Ogre, however in the church,
scene for some, reason to turn it back into an,
ogre she goes towards the. Light isn't that kind of
(23:04):
odd to?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You like the final, one final wedding, scene in all.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
The scenes where she's gonna turn into an, ogre she
hides away from the. Light, yeah and and OH i well,
no not even. That she's just basically like before the
sun goes, down, right and then when the sun comes,
up she's still not turned into an, ogre but like
you can turn into into a huge into a. Human
(23:30):
but you can see when she leaves the building and
the sun starts coming up over the, mountain that's when
like and she can finally see the. Sun, Right but
in the church, scene she she goes into the.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Light, YEAH i mean that one's slightly different because it's
her final final form, Basically.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But that was before the, kiss isn't? It was? IT
i think it might have. BEEN i think it was
before the kiss because she's, Like, SHREK i have something
to show. YOU i think, so and then they kiss
and then she like doesn't turn, back and she's, like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh the THING i find ridiculous about that kiss scene
is that they replay the same animation that these that
she uses when she, transforms but she doesn't. Transform, yes
that to me was the most pointless thing.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Ever, NO i think IT'S i think it's sweet because
it was. Ridiculous you, know she thinks it's gonna like
turn into final form and then she, does but it's
like not what we were.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Expecting it was exactly what was. Expecting, WELL.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I think some people may have thought, that like she
was going to turn into a human, again, oh instead
of like that like because you, know to break the. Curse,
yeah True love's first, kiss and so to, her breaking
the curse would be like becoming human.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Again but, no it's instead like she's just gonna be Ogre,
okay yeah that makes.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Sense now IT'S i guess we're we're a little, ahead
so we can we can kind of backcheck a. Bit
shrek And fiona have a little.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Date they you, know eat some swamp rats and stuff
like that or whatever they, eat.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And fiona rushes off to. Bed before you, Know shrek's
gonna confess his feelings for. Her donkey finds her and
this little house and basically finds out, that oh my,
gosh what have you done To Princess? Fiona you're an.
Ogre basically the ogre inside the house turns out to
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Be Princess fiona was, like don't, Worry i'm gonna get.
You just. Stay, yes they have a conversation. Together, Basically
fiona Tells donkey, that you, know how could anyone love
such a hit ideous beast With shrek over? Gears and
he thinks you're talking about, them so he rushes To
Lord farquhad basically to Get field out of his sight
(26:00):
because these feelings are gone, now because he thinks she
thinks she's. Ugly right When fiona is about to tell
him basically that she's an ogre and that she's kind
of also developing feelings for, him But Lord farkwood comes
Takes fiona so that they can go get, married and
And shrek goes the separate. Ways shrek And donkey fight a.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Bit, Basically donky gets mad because he Thinks shrek keeps
trying to.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Like exile him and not like you, know not like.
Him and And shrek basically is just, like you know,
what like the whole world sees me as a, monster
so Maybe i'll just be a, monster, Right And talkie's,
like you, know get your head out of your, ass
like like we can go save the day and and
and go Get fiona because she actually cares about, you
AS i read just As. Mike she actually cares and
(26:47):
enjoys you and likes, you and it doesn't have to
be this. Way, Yeah and So shrek has a little
bit of confidence and courage and he's, like, yeah, okay
let's go do. It so they ride the dragon back
to Do locke to save on the the old trip
in mileage and and and basically they go to stop
(27:11):
the wedding and they DO i guess like they burst
through the, doors you, know Or Lord farquad orders to
like kill, them but the dragon comes in Eats lord
Far quad basically if he reveals to everyone that she's
an ogre in the, process which you, know Like Lord
farquad wants to have them execute or.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Because he's still techniques so he can still technically be
married to, her so that she's he can be a,
king but he's just not going to look at her.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Overnight, yes very interesting and and so basically he gets.
Eaten and Then shrek And fiona like kiss and do,
whatever and they're gonna get. Married but here's the, thing
(28:10):
here's the real. Thing all of the citizens in Due
loch are like pumped At fiona And shreker together well
because the signs tell them to, be because the signs.
RIGHT i love those little sides so. Clever but, like,
(28:34):
also they just watched a dragon destroy probably like the
most beloved building at the, time that, church like that,
chapel destroying all the stained glass, windows even the ones
he didn't have to, destroy destroying she, sorry Uh and
(28:59):
and then eight they're king or lord and then. Left,
yeah but they were like to be you have actually like.
Him and then and then on top of all of,
this they watched two ogres get married and they're like everyone's, like, yeah,
(29:25):
sure love's first. Kiss no one was, like maybe let's
get out of. Here everyone just sat there and watched
like it was an episode of The Kardashian AND i just,
like it's so funny to. Me that wasn't a. CRITICISM
i just thought. THAT i just thought that was really.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
FUNNY i do love like you mentioned the dragon they
blow out all the stained, classmen doesn't there's one?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Left, yeah, yeah, exactly like like just like for no,
reason you've already ate and the bad. Guy like, anyways
basically they have a, wedding AND i was gonna say
that the wedding must have taken place a little bit
(30:09):
in the future because in the next. Movie the next
movie picks up right at the, honeymoon and they seem
to have a little bit more chemistry and everything's crazy
and everything like, that and it feels like sometimes. Past but,
no that can't be the case because the cake they
have at the wedding and the whatever Is Lord farquad's.
Cake it's the same exact cake because they take off
the statue Of Lord farquad after the gingy. Smash isn't that?
(30:35):
Weird now they have like it like, It so there's
notes there's it has to be either the same day
or the next day because it's the same. Cake otherwise
the cake would have been, bad and so you, know
you know WHAT i. Mean and, otherwise why would they
why would they have why would they Keep Lord farquat's
cake for more than a, day like you know WHAT i?
Mean maybe they just? Replica Would lord farqua was the
(30:58):
point only destroy because it Had that's actually very very. True, yeah,
okay WELL i don't, know very. Interesting so no time.
Passes it looks LIKE i just always felt like maybe
because it felt like there was like three different three
year four year difference with the movies that it was
like maybe there's some you, know time pass but but
no very. Interesting, Obviously Shrek too is just a fantastic. Movie,
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yeah oh, MAN i love the.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
SOUNDTRACK i mean the soundtrack of Of shrek the. Original oh,
yeah it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Smash.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Mouth, WELL i mean that that's one that's. Good BUT
i mean, AGAIN i will SAY i will say though
that to, me that is not where All star comes.
From That Mystery man is WHERE i. Doesn't, well, Yeah
Mystery man was made Before. Shrek so but everyone knows
it From. Shrek everyone knows.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It, yeah BUT i know it From Mystery. Man, yeah
but like you were also dropped out you know WHAT i?
Mean you know WHAT i, mean and maybe a bounced to.
One there's it's almost like you were. There uh, YEAH
i THINK i have some fun. Facts you better ooh, Ooh,
(32:12):
sorry that was kind of. Weird, yeah that. Was this
is the first animated film to Win Best picture Or
Best sorry, Sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Best Best, Animated Best Animated.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Feature, sorry there we go when it was created in
two thousand and. One this is the first film that
that made The Old list or whatever two thousand and.
Two winever but but, yeah this is the first film
to uh to make it happen so good On. Shrack
we talked about that in one of our animated, episodes
probably Like Emperor's New groovers or something like. That we
(32:44):
talked about it The. Oscars, dude adn't we per? Chance? Yes,
CHANCE i think there was some trivia question about. That.
Yeah probably animation started in nineteen ninety. Six we did
speak about that kind of contributes to that sixty million
dollar budget where you're, like, Whoa, like, hey four hundred
and forty eight million dollars gross is. Great sixty million
(33:06):
is a, lot especially Like Mike myers is, Big but
sixty million dollars big, interesting like a lot of THESE
snl guys, Right like actually in the, NINETIES i Think
Mike myers might have been pretty close to his, peak
wouldn't you? Say? Probably, yeah, yeah MAYBE i could see
some heavy hitters. There. YEAH i think the most the
(33:28):
money that was coming, from.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like just the length of TIME i would, think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And not Like Cameron diaz or Or Eddie. MURPHY i
think it's it's coming mostly from From we're in development
for five, years, right that's just and stuff not, development,
sorry but we're like even even longer, Though like if
it started animating in ninety, six it's, like but think
of all the pre stuff they did and pre casting
(33:55):
and all that, stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah like actual production from like pre production to, Release
like and that WOULD i mean the pre production for
something like, this especially since it's so kind of groundbreaking
at the, Time LIKE i, mean you're probably looking at
two or three years at, least, yeah plus whatever extra
(34:19):
time for you, know people to like prepare for pre.
Production you, know you got your whoever's you know ideas it,
was you, know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah like all that development, stuff, right trying to find
money and producers and all the other stuff and figuring
out who you want to cast, it which is my next.
Thing so Originally Chris farley was gonna Play shrek saw
that on one of the trivia. Things So Chris farley
died in ninety, seven which is WHAT i was just
searching up on my. Phone But Chris farley did record
(34:50):
and it was it was released a lot of. Lines,
yes in twenty, fifteen it was released a lot of
THE i think it was twenty, fifteen that it was twenty. Fifteen. Yeah,
anyway if you go on YouTube AND i listen to
some of them, today if you go on, YouTube you
can listen to a lot of the some practice. FOOTAGE
i Love Chris, farley always. PHENOMENAL i THINK i Like
(35:12):
shreks the Voice Mike myers a little bit better THAN
i haven't heard That chris is gonna look that up
when we're. Done maybe it's just BECAUSE i like the,
LIKE i like How shrek. Sounds it's just like and
all the test footage Was donkey Is Eddie. Murphy, yeah
it's very, clean it's it's perfectly. Fine and and Then
(35:33):
Chris farley next to it in the same scene is
very it's it's got that little bit of like almost,
raspiness LIKE i don't, know like the writer his.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Voice his voice definitely is not like a clean voice
like Like Eddie murphy like it. Has and that's probably
partly because he spent his whole career screaming you, know.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah like you can you can hear that van down
the river like like a hand down by the you
can hear that in the in the. Voice and so
when you put it next to you put it next
To donkey's. Voice in my, opinion it's kind of like
was he doing an accent in?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It M i believe, so, yeah, yeah not as much
as As Mike, myers but like it was like The
shrek voice right and and Less scottish or, whatever but but.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It it was, like, oh, hello like you know WHAT i,
Mean it's just. YEAH i Love Chris, farley AND i
think he did great in any role he was, in
AND i think he probably would have been a Great.
Trek BUT i Think i'm just listening from the limited
STUFF i heard From Chris. FARLEY i THINK i actually
(36:48):
Enjoyed Mike myers' performance a little bit. MORE i think
his voice fit in better With Eddie murphy BECAUSE i
think it was a little bit, cleaner like they just
both sound, clean and so you're not listening to one
super clean voice into a mic and one really like all,
right not That Chris farley sounded like, that but that's an.
Example may?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It nothing like a fire and a noble romantic mission
to warm the cockles of your?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Heart? YEAH i like my cockles room, Temperature thank you very.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Much, hey if you're not doing this for cockle, warman
why are you doing?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It, yeah simple Fart wade gets his. PRINCESS i get
WHAT i.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Want which is, now come, on what do you?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
WANT i don't have time to set it to? Music
oh this.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Is another one of those onion.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Things, no this is one of those drop it and
leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Things, well why don't you want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It why do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It why you answer the question with a?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Question why are you asking? QUESTIONS i don't want to.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Answer why are you? Blocking i'm not?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Blocking?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Then why do you have problems expressing your? WANTS i.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
DON'T i want you to shut? Up, see no, Problem.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You're just displacing your.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Anger believe, me it's properly. Played you're really?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Mad whoever did this to?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
You? No one did anything to.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Me, yes, yes, yes someone hurts you so. Bad someone
hurts you many years. Ago leave my parents out of,
this right. Through let's go with.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That let's explode family origin where you hugged as a
child stick.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
All, right all?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
RIGHT i want a home and someone to share it. With, okay,
yes strick is.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Okay birkwad said he'd give me my own swamp in
exchange for the.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Princess you really think you can trust? That weeesley oil,
rag don't?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
You hm hmm yeah, Right but Now i'm gonna have
what he.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Wants, boy has he underestimated?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
You, yeah he can join the. Club people see me
and they.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Go, bah help a big, stupid, stinky, smelly ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Ogre i'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
They judged me before they even know.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Me my folks always told me.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
That everyone loves.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Zogers see SO.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I guess they were a little, overprotective a. Little that's
WHY i gotta do. THIS i want him to KNOW
i can take care of. Myself you want to make him?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Prap? Yeah you know, what when we, MET i didn't
think he was just being stupid anioga mm, HMM i.
Know night trek night donkey.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's pretty. GOOD i like, it and it would have been. Fantastic,
YEAH i think it would have been. Fine AND i don't,
know maybe this is partially just we're so attuned to
Hearing Mike myers as. Trek, Right we've we've watched you,
know four movies at this point Of truck Being Mike.
Myers BUT i, Agree Mike myers just HAS i FEEL
(39:53):
i don't know what it, is, like there's just a certain,
quality like you, say to his voice that makes him
feel like an old man almost.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Well, yeah When Chris farley does, it the SHRILL i
don't think fits as well because you have Like Eddie,
Murphy he's Like Staple, Nasawa Max worst and The Morning
ah make it, waffles, right and it's, like, oh it's
like smooth and, clean and Then Mike myers comes and he's,
like oh, hell and it's like, okay like it kind
of matches a bit more, clean Like donkey rather Than. Donkey, yeah,
(40:24):
yeah does that makes? Sense like it's a little less
harsh and the ogre is supposed to be harsh and
and and vicious and. Whatever BUT i just feel like Like.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Mike myers has more like like of a roundness sort
of and like fullness in the voice Than Chris, Farley
like there's there's a little more resonance.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
THERE i agree with, you AND i THINK i think
it just worked better in that instance What Chris Farley
shrek been? Great, yeah of course it would. Have but
BUT i think for what it is, WORTH i Think
Mike myers did a great job and and it was
very hard for him to step into the role and
do it as a you, know as a friend Of Chris.
(41:01):
Farley's you, know the producers, said let's settle this over a,
pint and that is a line that actually made it
into the. Film but but, yeah like it took a
while For Mike myers to get into it and do,
it but but he, did and you, know he considers
it to be some of his most successful, work enough
so that number five is coming out next year with
(41:22):
a new animation, style new animation.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Style what are they? Doing, OOH i haven't looked at
it at.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All, Okay i'm gonna preface this by, saying BEFORE i show, you,
okay It's, jarry it is Really. Jarny you're gonna say
you hate. IT i already know you can hate, it
But i'm gonna tell you this right. Now WOULD i
prefer the old animation? Style, yes from the original and
keep it all the way through one hundred? Percent? Yes
(41:51):
is this new animation higher? Quality? Absolutely it is a
higher quality. Animation the colors are, Better it looks good for.
Animation it looks very. Good but given the fact that
it's so different from the, ORIGINAL i don't think it
should be. USED i think they should go back to the.
Original but it is very good quality. Animation, okay so
(42:11):
keep that in. Mind it's very good. Quality it does
Look i'm gonna hear, it but they, should in my,
opinion they should keep the. Original AND i already know
that that's gonna be your opinion that you hate, it
but you have to agree with. Me you don't have
to agree with, me but try to agree with me
that it does look very high. Quality but they shouldn't
(42:33):
be using. It, Okay i'll. Try but we both right,
now we both agree that they shouldn't be USING i don't.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Know if there's sequels like, this they need. To they
need to they need to keep. That, okay, continuity.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
That's what it looks. Like, see it's it's higher.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Quality, yeah it is and it's definitely much like you
can tell their THREE d models that are made, modern
like you can tell.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Better they're.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Better, yeah like even around the mouth and the. Teeth you,
look you compare that To, yeah like it's.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Better BUT i don't want, it, no because here's what
this what this looks like to. Me and it's like
when you see like a cheap, animation like not on,
YouTube but like ON. Tv you, know you, know like
when you're like a guest character on A tv and you're, like, wait,
what that's not what they're supposed to look. Like really
(43:29):
like a weird episode is like Animated Star. Wars that's
what that reminds me. Of it is way. Better the
lighting is, better like he has like reflections and stuff like.
That it's.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Great lighting is one of the biggest advancements they've made
in animation over the last twenty, years is just realistic
lighting and the ability to calculate like light paths and.
Everything BUT i think you gotta gotta maintain that continuity
otherwise just throws people.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Off my thing, IS i don't think they were investing
in new this new animation style for it to be
like like like in investment and cool and. BETTER i
think they went this way BECAUSE i think it's actually
cheaper to do the modeling that, way BECAUSE i my
(44:15):
theory is the technology for realistic animation is actually so
much more advanced now and better that they can actually
pump out higher quality stuff faster and trying to like
do older LIKE cgi like on some of the.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right it's probably cheaper. Quicker AND i mean it's like you,
say realistic animation now it's so. EASY i, mean like In,
blender you, know your average person with their computer at
home can make a really really good looking animation and you,
can and it's so easy to blend animation like THREE
d models with real world. Footage Like i've done, it you.
(44:50):
KNOW i literally filmed a video out front of my,
house made a THREE d dragon And blender with some you,
know smoke and stuff and positive them.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Together like that's really.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Good and it took, me you, know a week to
do and like that was me learning how to do,
it and you, know and we. DID i did it
in media school again where we built a THREE d,
set filmed everything on a green, screen composited them into
the into the THREE d, set and like you know
WHAT i, Mean like it's really not.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Hard, yeah it's it's. Interesting like it's hard for me
Because i'm not good at that, stuff but.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Once you learn how to do it right, Right like
like IF i went home today and showed you how
to do all, that you could do it with the
computer and the resources you, Have like it's it's that accessible.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Now so, yeah, yeah and that's good. Too like you
see like people on YouTube making fan Made Star wars
animations and you, know unreal engine or stuff like, that
and you're, like. Whoa sometimes you see the comments are
like this is better than like The disney, stuff and you're, like.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Because they're because they're fans and they they they're not
in it to make. Money it's a passion, project.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Right SO i feel like the new animation for is
while it is higher, quality you can't deny. That it
Definitely Like i'll agree with you. There it looks better
in terms of.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Quality but If shrek was coming out now and they
started with, this, yes there would be no is no.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Issue look it how good that? Looks? Yeah, no the
issue comes in where we have four movies that all
look the same exact way and are, fantastic and now
we have to sit down in theaters for the fifth,
one and it's not like anything that we're used. To
and that's a big, thing is like we want to
used to, it BECAUSE i, think especially when you're doing,
(46:36):
sequels it's a lot easier to fall in line with the. Characters,
well sequels after ten, years that is when the animation
style is the, Same like The. Incredibles they picked up
ten fifteen years later with a, sequel same animation, style
maybe a little bit higher, quality but like the same
character models and designs and stuff like. That and everyone's, like, okay,
(46:57):
Perfect we're fine with. This now we can focus on
settling back into the. Characters but now we have to
get back into characters from a movie like like From,
shrek and they look completely. Different not completely. Different we
can still recognize the. Characters it's just it's a. Lot,
Yeah and SO i think personally you should go back
to the how they did it. Beforehand but like you,
(47:21):
said starting at ground, zero this would have been a
very positive. Thing, yeah. Exactly if they did A shrek,
REBOOT i could see them doing, This but since it's a,
sequel it's, like oh, yeah it's just gonna be. Jarring
it's just gonna be. Jarring, Yeah and WHILE i think
you can't say the new animation, sucks LIKE i just,
(47:42):
like you know WHAT i, MEAN i don't.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Know the other PROBLEM i have with it with a
lot of these like ultra realistic animation stuff sometimes is
the fact that it's so.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Realistic well this doesn't look, realistic.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
No BUT i, mean like even just the the more
trying to find the right words is BASICALLY i find
the backgrounds get busier and. Busier you look at Like
Emperor's New groove and that's TWO d, animation but still
it's just painted.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Backdrops, yeah like rolling, hills, Right.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And then you look at something like you, Know Toy,
story it's not the backgrounds aren't that, busy, Right like
there's not a lot of stuff going. ON i, mean
there's still stuff going on enough to make it seem,
right but like the then you get into like some
of the modern, animations and it's just too much in
the background almost and then and the main content gets
(48:35):
lost or you don't focus on as, much LIKE i,
find you, know with like with this With shrek the
in this, CASE i have no problems focusing on the,
action BUT i, find like with some of the modern
animations and newer. Ones it's Like i'm, distracted.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Right because there's also like six hundred cars going Roight,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
RIGHT i mean they can do, that and it makes
it look more, realistic.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah like and actually like animate, traffic like like realistically.
Cool it's, just, yeah it does take away from you,
know what might otherwise be something that would be more. Focusable,
yeah you said it better THAN i. Did, yeah But
i'm just SAYING i understand what you're. Saying so, YEAH
(49:20):
i guess maybe to summarize, that, LIKE i don't think
there's anything wrong with trying to do better with your animation, style,
right like if if you care and want to make it.
Better in this, CASE i definitely think it's probably cheaper
to do it a certain way rather.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Than, LIKE i, like it's a money making, business, Right
they're gonna do what's gonna make them those, money.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Right and it feels weird to say. That it's like
to do what would be less, quality would be like less.
Work BUT i JUST i just feel, like in my,
mind even it might be the dumbest Thing i've ever,
said but in my, mind it just makes more sense
to to be able to to do that that? Way H,
like DO i sound crazy or? Like does? IT i
think it does make sense like that we can actually
(50:07):
like generate something to be higher, quality, Right so who? Knows?
Right AND i think WHAT i prefer the Old trek,
ABSOLUTELY i think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
But there's just something about the ogs that are always.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Better. Yeah in, hey in ten years someone will have
finished Animating trek five with with the og animation on
YouTube and that's gonna be fine, anyways but it is
it is interesting to me the direction they took it.
In AND i do think the animation looks really. Good
it's just it's just a lot to take in and
(50:44):
it's it's not like bad like you Remember sonic when
they did the First sonic that was. Rough, YEAH i
think maybe has something out for the delivery. Drivers. Yeah,
anyways if you've seen the photos of the Original sonic they,
made do you remember that? Vaguely do you want to? See?
Yes refresh my? Memory, Okay like that was, Bad and
(51:09):
so people are, saying, oh it's Like sonical over. Again
it's like, no, no it's not like you can't give me.
That the only reason people are saying that is because
like that's what they saying that's what the movie, is
which is. Great this is, like oh.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh, yeah now he just looks like a fucking. Weirdo.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, anyways so it's, LIKE i don't think it's The sonic.
TREATMENT i don't think they're in the same, category. RIGHT
i doubt they're going to do a complete overhaul and change. It,
no this is the direction they chose to go with
because it's it's it is higher, quality, right and it
looks higher. Quality it's just a tough pill to swallow
(51:50):
because we all want the old stuff. Back but, yeah
there you. Go shrek has his Own hall Of fame
in The Hollywood walk Of. Fame oh. COOL i like.
That it's a fun little. FACT i Think donkey should
have one. Too, YES i don't know if he. DOES
i did Meet shrek And. Donkey it was In Universal,
(52:10):
Studios The shrek The. Donkey. Yeah, yeah they're a lot
less animated than. Really they have like a little waffles
stand you can buy waffles out outside of like the.
Ride they have like a FIVE d, experience which is pretty.
Cool only Time i've been in like a FIVE d,
THEATER i. Think but like they had this thing where
Like donkey. Sneezes it's like you're wearing THREE d THREE d,
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glasses but like the sheet seats shake and blow air
on you and spray water and, stuff and So donkey
sneezes at the camera and it splashes. You they, go
oh like they have a spart where spiders start crawling
around and say a blow air at your. Heels see you're, like. Whoa,
yeah my mom was not a fan of.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
THAT i remember being in one of those one. TIME
i don't remember where we, were and my mom was
with me and they had this like little thing in
the back of the chair that would poke you.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
And it was not that's Called Uncle. Frank i'm so.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Sorry, yeah, sure, Anyway yeah that was not. FUN i
didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
One, yeah, yeah. Okay, WELL i think that's pretty much
ALL i am for. FACTS i DON'T i don't really
have much. More i've seen this movie a lot of,
times a lot of, times a lot of. GUS i
Watched rek AND i, Think, wow what a grade. Film.
(53:35):
NO i think the pacing's. GOOD i think it's a simple,
story BUT i THINK i think it. Works it's, funny
it's well, animated and the time is good.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Too it's a ninety minute, movie, right, yes or just over.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
ONE i think it's one thirty. NINE i think for. Sure,
YEAH i thought it was one.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Though maybe the credits are with the credits it, is
it was.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Like one thirty, Nine LIKE i thought it was like
ninety nine let's look or some some random. Crap BUT
i also watched it On.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Amazon oh we watched it on that was on yeah
at our twenty, nine our twenty.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Nine oh, yeah so it's be an eighty nine minute.
Movie so we were both. Wrong, NO i was. Close
you were.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Closer prices, right rules we both. Lose, No, no you were.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Closer so one one? Nine? Yeah, interesting, yeah very. Interesting
WELL i think IT'S i think it's good for A suger.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Movie AND i, mean LIKE i, LIKE i, LIKE i
like shorter. Movies you know you, Too you watch them
in one sitting you don't need to worry About, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, no that that is. Strange, YEAH i THINK i
don't know WHY i thought it was once or. Nine,
see And i'm the guy who's supposed to be presenting,
facts so that's pretty scary That i'm. WRONG a lot
of the, time we got to put a, disclaimer like,
literally don't listen to this, guy just LIKE i gotta
wear a shirt that doesn't don't, right should put that
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on THE t? Shirts just, yeah don't listen to this.
Guy not, Correct, no It it's just a well done,
movie AND i think the animation is. Great have you
seen the nineteen ninety five test footage Of?
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Shrek, well WHEN i was looking up The Chris farley,
One i'm pretty SURE i saw, something And i'm, like,
wait is that what they Thought shrek should look?
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Like? Dog it's. Brutal that is a sonic. Situation so
talk about a real. Dilemma you cannot tell me that
it was a good. Direction, yeah it was, brutal like
all that? Scary, yeah he actually looks. Scary, yeah we
should overlay a picture of that as. Well i'll find.
Up but, yeah, like thank, goodness say change. That it's
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not even that. BAD i think it's just we got
so coddled with with How shrek looks, now, yeah, Where,
yeah he definitely looks more.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Like, well that's that's just think the same thing with
The Chris farley Versus Mike. Myers the same thing with
that look was this. Look we're just we've had four
movies of the way it, is and SO i think
anything other than that just is really weird to.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Us but if we.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
Had started with, that and probably like maybe it wouldn't
have been so. WEIRD i don't, know but you, know
you don't, know you really don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Exactly, Right like we wouldn't be able to believe if
they had changed How almo, looks, like, yeah. Exactly But
i'm sure if you looked around at early drafts of
What almo was gonna look, like, yeah you might actually
find some gold in, there or you might find some horrible, abomination,
right who, knows, Right and and that's just how it goes.
Sometimes so if we're gonna make a tier list of
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twenty twenty Five, shrek two thousand and One, shrek and
nineteen ninety Five, SHREK i mean two thousand and one's,
king BUT i definitely think twenty twenty five looks a
lot nicer than ninety.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Five, yeah, Yeah i'd take the twenty or the twenty
twenty five over the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Five exactly. Right and it's just using the same kind
of model A, shrek but just, like well maybe not
the same, MODEL i, guess just like dimensions are a
little bit, different but, whatever we're just we're just tweaking
it and doing some other stuff right and. NOT i don't. Know,
AGAIN i don't. Know i'm so caught up on. THIS
i would very much not rather have the twenty twenty.
(57:19):
Five but at least they're doing something trying to be
making it. BETTER i, guess at, least whether that's malicious
intent or. Not, yeah WHAT i do really Enjoy shrek
cool is that IT i don't really.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
WANT i didn't get out of here just on the
poster and it.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
LOOKED i, mean you can double, check BUT i don't think.
TODAY i think it should be. OVER i think this
is better Than Taxi. Driver, yeah well, CRAZY i. KNOW i,
like that's a start a war in the. Comments BUT
i put it over a Big lebowski me. TOO i
(58:02):
put it Over Wayne's. World, YEAH i put it. OVER
i Like shrek more Than. Jaws probably, NOT i.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
DO i Enjoyed shrek more Than jaws really. ACTUALLY i,
mean but the thing, is we're also comparing apples and.
ORANGES i, mean it's an animated movie versus live. Actions
that's that's hard to comparage. Anyway rate? It what DO
i give? It let me give it an eight point.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Eight, yeah, yeah, yeah eight and a. Half. Cool, cool
there we, go There's. Shrek thanks for watching the Viewing.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Room I'm, Ethan I'm. ADAM i THINK i don't really
know you just. Watched you gotta get better at this. Outro,
thanks
They just watched a dragon destroy probably like the most
beloved building at the time, that church, like that chapel,
destroy all the stained glass windows, even the ones he
didn't have to destroy, destroying she sorry, uh. And and
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then eight their king or lord and then left. Yeah.
But and they were like to be fa actually like him.
And then and then on top of all of this,
they watched two ogres get married and they're like everyone's like, yeah,
(00:48):
loves first kiss. No one was like, maybe let's get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And now time for the viewing room with Adam and Eton.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Do I look good? You look fantastic. Welcome to the
viewing room, where we talk about films new and old,
local and global. Today we're talking about Trek, which released
in two thousand and one April twenty second to be specific,
with a budget of sixty million US dollars. Yep, sixty
million US dollars sounds like a fair bit for in
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early two thousand's animation, but with how high the quality is.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and also considering how long it took them to
make it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, that was my next point is starting in nineteen
ninety six, finishing in two thousand and one, kind.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Of a long Road and I got to give a
shout out to Amazon Prime. I never noticed this before, WOA,
but they just hold on, hold on, hold on. This
was once a thing I like. When you pause it,
it has like the cast on the side. It pulls
it from IMDb. It has like the cast and it
has some little trivia things on the side. I actually
I'd never noticed before, and I really like that. I
one thing they're doing right.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I was not expecting an Amazon shutout, but I do.
I do agree with you because when I like watched
Jack Ryan, you had like tap the little Roku remote, Yeah,
and it would be like actors in this yeah, exactly,
Like it's really cool. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
That's pretty awesome. And I think that is something kind
of cool and I think every streaming service should have
(02:35):
that because it's just so easy to find information. Yeah,
if you're walking past the TV and something's like.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like how many times do you like, oh I know
that actor? Where do I know them from? Well, in
this case, you just hit one button and you know
who it is exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I agree with you. It's very it's like, yeah, it's perfect.
April twenty second, two thousand and one US release date.
A lot of the other Shrek films released in May.
Know why I've just said that, but I said it.
I don't know if that was like super pertinent to
this conversation. It was, obviously, but I wouldn't have said it.
(03:07):
But May seems to be like the month of Shrek,
and I'm pretty sure isn't May when the New Shrek releases,
like next May.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Strange.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe we'll get to that because the New Shrek is
going to have some people Shrek.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That I think. So, yeah, what is it number four
or five? Oh, it's gotta be five. It's just five.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, it's five, because there's Shrek, Shrek two, Shrek, the
Third Shrek. It's it's not four, but it's well, it's four,
but it's not the name or something. Yeah, forever after
something like that. So this would be Shrek five.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Once upon a time and Shreky would yeah, something like that.
Not sure how that goes. Cast Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy,
Cameron Diaz, John LetGo.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Eddie Murphy does a fantastic Yeah, Eddie freaking love donkey
in this movie. He's probably my favorite character.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, sorry if my energy sounds a little low. Obviously.
I just came off of getting sick again. I feel
like that's twice this year I've gotten sick and it's
only it's only what March almost a Yeah, that's brutal.
I feel like March is just you know, yeah, I
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feel like this year, the year is twenty percent over already.
Is that weird? Yeah? That is yeah, kind of strange, Okay.
John Lethgow as Lord Farquad is hilarious, perfect casting, maybe
what incredible job as Lord fari Quad. And I was
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trying to research fun facts and random things and the
biggest thing I could find is John Lethgoe is like
a tall guy. He's six' four, yeah, yeah so Tall Lord.
Farkwise what is he for to one or? Something he's
for six six six? Four yeah that's, okay that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
FUNNY i.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Doubt they did that on, purpose but like pretty funny to, Me,
LIKE i don't, know he's just super, short AND i
think it goes to satirical almost cartoon villain like random
king and and it's. HILARIOUS i THINK i think they
do a really good job With Lord farquad's character and
(05:24):
made him feel like, realistic you know WHAT i, mean
in a land where.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
WELL i feel like they nail the fantasy land, vibes like,
yeah between Between Lord farquad and The dragon and The
lava and just all the random fairy tale creatures thrown,
in like it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Just it just were one thousand yeah scene.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like it just it just makes you feel like all
those stories that you, know you read as a child
or whatever are in one you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know, yes so much so that the producers thought they
were gonna get sued By.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Disney OH i can see that. Happening That disney's very.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Litigious the first people to watch the movie when it was,
done we're like like a large community of, lawyers, yeah
WHICH i mean sounds like most, movies like WHEN i
think about, it like for being, honestly.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah like most movies are going to get picked over
by a team of lawyers before they're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah for, sure and insurance and. Stuff but, like BUT
i think this they definitely thought, like, well this is
gonna be it for. Us between The cinderella Snow white
references and the, dwarves, yeah and then a whole army
of fairy tale creatures appearing In. Shreks.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah BUT i mean it's free advertising for For disney
too at the same, time, RIGHT i, mean, like you
know your, kids he's, that they're like, Cool i've ever
heard that, story and then you go and show them that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
STORY i don't. Know to, me it's free. Advertising the thing,
IS i think you can make the argument Does disney
have the? Rights that's, true like maybe they have like
the character, rights where like they look a certain way
and wear certain. Things but wouldn't you consider there to be?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Fair, yeah they're like folk, tales like a lot of
them have origins long Before.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Disney so who owns? Those?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, RIGHT i MEAN i guess probably public domain technically
for a lot of, them.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Given the fact That Mickey mouse's public. Domain, yes, well
now that's just a time based.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Thing Makim mouse is only public domain because it's BEEN
i think it's fifty years since the original creator's, death right.
Anything that's can't you argue that with all The well,
yeah BUT i guess the origins aren't as, clear SO
i guess maybe it would BE i don't, know you,
know that's that's a good question for a, lawyer and
either of us are, lawyers so very.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Interesting, yeah hard to, SAY i UH i don't think
it's super duper, matters but but, yeah there we. GO
i THINK i think you can use the word snow
white probably maybe somewhere without having to. Worry BUT i
think it's like when you draw snow white looking like snow,
(07:54):
white like you, know you. Know, YEAH i don't. KNOW
i have no idea why that it, Really i'm just
talking in my. Ass the new Snow, white the live
action one coming. OUT m.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hmm it did come, out, yep AND i think it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
FLOPPED i know it. FLOPPED i hope it. Flopped uh,
YEAH i don't really have any stats in. THAT i
heard it wasn't doing so well at the box. Office,
no it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Was it was one of those releases that they were just, Like,
okay we have to get this. Out it should have
been In january with the quietest release.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Possible but, YEAH i think that's a tough thing, too,
right is when there's no hype around, it you know
WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Mean, well when your lead actress goes and trashes, everybody
it's pretty hard to market a movie. Properly who's This
Rachel Zegler, really there's been a lot of controversy around
her in Gal gado and a bunch of, Stuff like
she came right.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Out Gal gado in the.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Movie, yeah that's, Why like the Whole oscars thing was so.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Awkward what was The oscars?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Thing, well like you, know like when they were Presenting
no OR i don't remember which one they, presented, like
it was like the tension was palpable and, like, yeah,
no there's been a whole bunch of.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Shit look it. Up i've been living under a. Rock
yeah you literally. Have, yeah, SORRY i GUESS i wasn't
as in tuned with Snow.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
White it's been a big thing because they went through
like seventeen million reshoots and first there was Original there
was like originally live action, dwarves and then that was
considered offensive to some, people so then they put IN
cgi dwarves that look like, monstrosities and then and the
other thing THAT i find really really funny about that
(09:27):
is that so, Like Rachel zegler is not, unattractive but
we can all Agree Gal gadot is far more attractive
Than Rachel. Zegler, Yes and when you Have Gal gadot
playing the evil, queen it's like who's the fairest of them?
All and she wants to be as beautiful As Rachel.
Zegler it's, like this doesn't make any sense, Anyway we're
(09:50):
way off. Topic now that makes, Sense, okay thanks for
like the little. DEPRIEF i, fore like the president there
in the situation, room like that was so.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Good let's hit up a. Snopsis, yes once upon a
time in a far away, swamp there lived an ogre Named,
shrek whose precious solitude is suddenly shattered by an invasion
of annoying fairy tale. Creatures, there they were all banished
from their kingdom by the evil Lord. Farquad determined to
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save their, home not to mention His shrek cuts a
deal with Far quad and sets out to Rescue Princess
fiona to be Far quad's. Bride rescuing the princess may
be small compared to her deep dark. Secret, nope saying
This shrek wants to save their home not really.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
True, no he he, Says i'm gonna get you, back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh where you came, from and and they're all like,
yeah and he's, like, OKAY i guess this this is,
happening and you you're coming with, me you know. That.
Whatever but Like Mike MIAs does the accident very, Well oh,
wow that was really. Solid CAN i pay you to
like call Before betty and Like scott me to? Sleep,
(11:10):
No so he basically all these fairy tale creatures come
just To shrek And shreks And. Ogre he's living in
a swamp and and they've all been banished from like
the whatever the lands because the du loc, Well dulock
is one of, them like one of the areas in the,
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kingdom because they're discussing fairy tale creatures that don't belong
with like human normal. Folk, Right so they've all been
banished just For, shreks, Swamp shreks And. Ogre he Likes
Peace's he's very much a kind of a, loner you
know WHAT i. Mean he wants to be left alone
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because people think he should be left. Alone and and
he thinks that if people think he should be left,
alone then maybe he should be left alone, too because
if everyone is going to be like scared of, him
then maybe it's just a scary Dumb. Ogre he, says
it's kind of, sad but we'll get to. That he Meets.
Donkey donkey's a talking, donkey very creative name played By Eddie,
(12:15):
murphy and Basically donkey And shrek go on a quest
to Do locke to Tell Lord, farquad who's banished all
these fairy tale creatures in his, home to send them
back where they came. From. Ulster he's going to be
doing some big dumb ogre stuff and you, know take
over the lands. Again, Right so they go to Due,
(12:37):
lock where there's an arena taking. Place basically what's happening
Is Lord farquad wants a princess because if he has a,
princess they can become king and. Quing, right that's basically that's.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Idea he's a, prince he's a, lord and so if
he marries a princess and he becomes.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
King, Yes lord farquahd yes. Me, yeah it's. FINE a
little small. Thing, Yeah i'm, like, yeah he's a. Sar,
okay that's why they call him Sar Lord. Farquad. No
so Basically shrek And donkey go To Lord, farquad who's
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hosting a tournament of champions of, sorts to find out
who's gonna rescue his bride or. Him, now why would
we whittle down the competition when we could just send
a battalion of men to go rescue the.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Girl because it's supposed to be one champion one the
best knight of them. All so they're not, killing it's
just a. Tournament they're just you, know mildly making each.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Other but, Anyways shrek And donkey come and everyone's like
shocked to see an ogre and and so everyone starts fighting, like.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh they're shocked to see an, ogre but not a talking.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Donkey, yeah it's, LIKE i feel like.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
An ogre is more more acceptable in this this case
than a talking. Donkey, well and Then Lord farko, goes
oh what is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That it's? Hideous oh that's not very. Nice he's just a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Donkey yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Good oh, man the.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Dialogue is just so snappy like. That, yeah it's really.
Good it's such a funny. Movie, man, GOSH i love this.
Movie and then you've seen this, before EVERYONE'S i haven't
seen it in a long. Time and that's the other
thing IS i noticed so many more of the adult.
Jokes it's, crazy like we talk about it with all
of our Like pixar animated, ones but like they're just
(14:42):
masters Of you don't notice it as a, kid and
then you watch it as an adult and you're, like oh my,
god how did they get away with that, like it's.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Crazy, YEAH i AND i feel Like i've Seen shrek a,
lot like a lot, lot almost like every, YEAR i feel,
like but, YEAH i definitely enjoy. It, anyway a, Ways
shrek And donkey end up winning This tournament Of champions
and an everything will fight, scene and instead of killing
The lord Of harquad's, like oh, Hey i'm gonna send
these guys to go get the princess and in, Return
(15:12):
i'll Free Shrek's i'm gonna turn that heater off. Again
we forget that's every goddamn. Time, Yes So shrek And
donkey said out on their quest to Rescue Princess, fiona
there's this nice little scene where they're walking through like
a cornfield or like some. Crops shrek picks up an.
Onion he's like Showing donkey that ogres are like onions
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because they have, layers not like. Cakes But shrek kind
of tries to relate To donkey, that you, know there's
more To shrek than just scaring people and getting what
he wants, basically And donkey tries to understand. That, now
To donkey's, Credit donkey's the only one that doesn't see
(15:54):
him necessarily as An. Ogre, yeah sees him as a,
friend And shrek is kinda you, know we see that
at the start of the filming is kind of, like,
OH i never kind of thought, that. Right, anyways they
go on a, quest they find the castle Where Princess fiona.
Is there's a. DRAGON i, mean we can go through
(16:16):
some of this a bit if you, want but, Basically
donkey seduces the. Dragon. Donkeys you PLAY d AND D
it's Every bard's. Dream, Yeah donkey seduces the. Dragon and
that's fine until then two films from now when they
have kids and you see the amalgamation of flying donkey.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
BABIES i haven't seen that one. Yet oh, god DO
i want to see?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
This first of, ALL i want you to think about
how it. WORKS i.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
DON'T i really don't want to think about.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That, actually, yeah, yeah that was.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Weird, also the fact that there one is a reptile
and one is a mammal that really makes even less.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Sense what that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Looks like something out of a horror. Movie send that
to me And i'm gonna put it on the.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Screen there's A polygon Article shrek two didn't chicken out
on Its donkey dragon. Sex it's an article let me
just send that your. Way.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, god that that looks like what's the what was
that big thing that was going on, teletubbies like some
of those horror pictures Of. Teletubbies, yeah like so, anyways
they look like they're bread of.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Incest but that's. Fine look that's like a. Better that's
like a. Better, yeah that is, weird really. Weird they're
very cute in a weird. Way, yeah so so, Whatever
donkey seduces a. Dragon, Basically shrek Rescues. Fiona, Yes fiona
(17:59):
is like, like, whoa thanks for rescuing my captor and
like now we kind of have to Have truelove's first
kiss and. Whatnot but But shrek explains, like, no this
isn't gonna be, us this is gonna Be Lord farquad
because he's basically paying me to like rescue. You and,
Uh he's, like, well what kind of prince doesn't like
come and save her? Princess AND i don't. KNOW i
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guess you're gonna have to ask him.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yourself and so they make a whole bunch of jokes
about his his. HEIGHT i love all the jokes that they.
Make there're stating for. Something, yeah well and just like
all like you're gonna have to measure it out and
all those ones that like just, yeah oh, god AND
i mean they double, too is you, know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes Unlike Lord. Farquad, Yes. Fiona basically after they escape the,
keep is like demands to see What shrek looks like
so she can know who is very ridiculous scenes in my, Opinion,
Yes shrek takes off his.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Helmet it didn't fit very well any you could see
he was large and green and his ears and his
ears and his, hands like tell me you didn't, notice.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, exactly but he does take off his. Helmet she
finds out she's an. Ogre she's, like, OH i wasn't
supposed to be this. Way she demands to go back
to the keep until like a real night can come
rescue her and. Whatnot but, no she shoulder and away they, go,
yeah stretch like this isn't gonna happen. Now whatever some
shenanigans we've there's like they get, robbed basically highway. Robbery
(19:30):
i'm gonna skip through most of that because, like, REALLY
i don't think we need to like go super. Deep
like the plot's fairly, simple but you, know for an
animation of its, Time, LIKE i wouldn't be surprised if
it had, like like not the most locations. Ever i'm
trying to just think of like other like animated, MOVIES i, Mean.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Toy story from that. Time they Have andy's, room they
Have sid's, room they have the gas, station a pizza,
planet a couple of little street, scenes, right that's basically.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It, yeah like this one and this one's so much
like swamp, castle different, fields, Right, yeah forest forest to
get the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Volcano one other.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Castle we got like a gold keep in, there we
got like we got like the actual keep with With.
Fiona we have.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
All the like space in between those all those the church, chapel,
right the other the other tower that they're, In.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yes We're fiona like the. Mountain then we're Like fiona like,
yeah there's, yeah there's a, ton, right AND i feel
LIKE i feel like there's a.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Lot AND i mean that's probably also contributed to the
length of time it took to make.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
This. Right they're not going back to very similar, locations.
RIGHT I mean you could say they go back To
Shrek swamp a couple of, times but even the contents
Of Shrek's swamp is changing, throughout, right like between dinner
scenes and. Stuff and then you also have, LIKE i
guess the backdrops are mostly the, same so there is
some like, overlay but like there is a lot of,
variation especially with all the fairy tale creatures that are
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being in. There. Right but you, know we kind of
find out That shrek is developing feelings For fiona while
also struggling with feelings with himself because he's, like how
(21:28):
could a princess really love an? Ogre? Right and so
he feels kind of, silly like why is he developing
feelings for a princess anyways when he kind of just
wants peace and privacy and all this other stuff and
he doesn't even know if he deserves like, love, Right,
Yeah And fiona is also kind of developing feelings For
shrek in a weird way because at, Night Princess fyoda
(21:52):
turns into an. Ogre Oh basically some foreshadowing that happened
earlier with the Magic mirror is, like why should we
tell you at night there's a? CURSE i don't want
to hear. It, Yes and and, anyways we find out
that at Night fiona turns into an, ogre but she
doesn't Show Shriker donkey that because it's kinda weird and
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they might like exile. Her well she thinks she's ugly then,
yes But donkey has a, line, well you're only ugly
fifty percent of the, time which is kind of. Funny
interesting thing when the light hits her, okay, sorry when
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the light hits her in the, morning that's when she
turns into a, human, Right but at, night when it's,
dark she turns into an. Ogre, however in the church,
scene for some, reason to turn it back into an,
ogre she goes towards the. Light isn't that kind of
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odd to?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You like the final, one final wedding, scene in all.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
The scenes where she's gonna turn into an, ogre she
hides away from the. Light, yeah and and OH i well,
no not even. That she's just basically like before the
sun goes, down, right and then when the sun comes,
up she's still not turned into an, ogre but like
you can turn into into a huge into a. Human
(23:30):
but you can see when she leaves the building and
the sun starts coming up over the, mountain that's when
like and she can finally see the. Sun, Right but
in the church, scene she she goes into the.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Light, YEAH i mean that one's slightly different because it's
her final final form, Basically.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But that was before the, kiss isn't? It was? IT
i think it might have. BEEN i think it was
before the kiss because she's, Like, SHREK i have something
to show. YOU i think, so and then they kiss
and then she like doesn't turn, back and she's, like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh the THING i find ridiculous about that kiss scene
is that they replay the same animation that these that
she uses when she, transforms but she doesn't. Transform, yes
that to me was the most pointless thing.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Ever, NO i think IT'S i think it's sweet because
it was. Ridiculous you, know she thinks it's gonna like
turn into final form and then she, does but it's
like not what we were.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Expecting it was exactly what was. Expecting, WELL.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I think some people may have thought, that like she
was going to turn into a human, again, oh instead
of like that like because you, know to break the. Curse,
yeah True love's first, kiss and so to, her breaking
the curse would be like becoming human.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Again but, no it's instead like she's just gonna be Ogre,
okay yeah that makes.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Sense now IT'S i guess we're we're a little, ahead
so we can we can kind of backcheck a. Bit
shrek And fiona have a little.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Date they you, know eat some swamp rats and stuff
like that or whatever they, eat.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And fiona rushes off to. Bed before you, Know shrek's
gonna confess his feelings for. Her donkey finds her and
this little house and basically finds out, that oh my,
gosh what have you done To Princess? Fiona you're an.
Ogre basically the ogre inside the house turns out to
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Be Princess fiona was, like don't, Worry i'm gonna get.
You just. Stay, yes they have a conversation. Together, Basically
fiona Tells donkey, that you, know how could anyone love
such a hit ideous beast With shrek over? Gears and
he thinks you're talking about, them so he rushes To
Lord farquhad basically to Get field out of his sight
(26:00):
because these feelings are gone, now because he thinks she
thinks she's. Ugly right When fiona is about to tell
him basically that she's an ogre and that she's kind
of also developing feelings for, him But Lord farkwood comes
Takes fiona so that they can go get, married and
And shrek goes the separate. Ways shrek And donkey fight a.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Bit, Basically donky gets mad because he Thinks shrek keeps
trying to.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Like exile him and not like you, know not like.
Him and And shrek basically is just, like you know,
what like the whole world sees me as a, monster
so Maybe i'll just be a, monster, Right And talkie's,
like you, know get your head out of your, ass
like like we can go save the day and and
and go Get fiona because she actually cares about, you
AS i read just As. Mike she actually cares and
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enjoys you and likes, you and it doesn't have to
be this. Way, Yeah and So shrek has a little
bit of confidence and courage and he's, like, yeah, okay
let's go do. It so they ride the dragon back
to Do locke to save on the the old trip
in mileage and and and basically they go to stop
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the wedding and they DO i guess like they burst
through the, doors you, know Or Lord farquad orders to
like kill, them but the dragon comes in Eats lord
Far quad basically if he reveals to everyone that she's
an ogre in the, process which you, know Like Lord
farquad wants to have them execute or.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Because he's still techniques so he can still technically be
married to, her so that she's he can be a,
king but he's just not going to look at her.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Overnight, yes very interesting and and so basically he gets.
Eaten and Then shrek And fiona like kiss and do,
whatever and they're gonna get. Married but here's the, thing
(28:10):
here's the real. Thing all of the citizens in Due
loch are like pumped At fiona And shreker together well
because the signs tell them to, be because the signs.
RIGHT i love those little sides so. Clever but, like,
(28:34):
also they just watched a dragon destroy probably like the
most beloved building at the, time that, church like that,
chapel destroying all the stained glass, windows even the ones
he didn't have to, destroy destroying she, sorry Uh and
(28:59):
and then eight they're king or lord and then. Left,
yeah but they were like to be you have actually like.
Him and then and then on top of all of,
this they watched two ogres get married and they're like everyone's, like, yeah,
(29:25):
sure love's first. Kiss no one was, like maybe let's
get out of. Here everyone just sat there and watched
like it was an episode of The Kardashian AND i just,
like it's so funny to. Me that wasn't a. CRITICISM
i just thought. THAT i just thought that was really.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
FUNNY i do love like you mentioned the dragon they
blow out all the stained, classmen doesn't there's one?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Left, yeah, yeah, exactly like like just like for no,
reason you've already ate and the bad. Guy like, anyways
basically they have a, wedding AND i was gonna say
that the wedding must have taken place a little bit
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in the future because in the next. Movie the next
movie picks up right at the, honeymoon and they seem
to have a little bit more chemistry and everything's crazy
and everything like, that and it feels like sometimes. Past but,
no that can't be the case because the cake they
have at the wedding and the whatever Is Lord farquad's.
Cake it's the same exact cake because they take off
the statue Of Lord farquad after the gingy. Smash isn't that?
(30:35):
Weird now they have like it like, It so there's
notes there's it has to be either the same day
or the next day because it's the same. Cake otherwise
the cake would have been, bad and so you, know
you know WHAT i. Mean and, otherwise why would they
why would they have why would they Keep Lord farquat's
cake for more than a, day like you know WHAT i?
Mean maybe they just? Replica Would lord farqua was the
(30:58):
point only destroy because it Had that's actually very very. True, yeah,
okay WELL i don't, know very. Interesting so no time.
Passes it looks LIKE i just always felt like maybe
because it felt like there was like three different three
year four year difference with the movies that it was
like maybe there's some you, know time pass but but
no very. Interesting, Obviously Shrek too is just a fantastic. Movie,
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yeah oh, MAN i love the.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
SOUNDTRACK i mean the soundtrack of Of shrek the. Original oh,
yeah it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Smash.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Mouth, WELL i mean that that's one that's. Good BUT
i mean, AGAIN i will SAY i will say though
that to, me that is not where All star comes.
From That Mystery man is WHERE i. Doesn't, well, Yeah
Mystery man was made Before. Shrek so but everyone knows
it From. Shrek everyone knows.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It, yeah BUT i know it From Mystery. Man, yeah
but like you were also dropped out you know WHAT i?
Mean you know WHAT i, mean and maybe a bounced to.
One there's it's almost like you were. There uh, YEAH
i THINK i have some fun. Facts you better ooh, Ooh,
(32:12):
sorry that was kind of. Weird, yeah that. Was this
is the first animated film to Win Best picture Or
Best sorry, Sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Best Best, Animated Best Animated.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Feature, sorry there we go when it was created in
two thousand and. One this is the first film that
that made The Old list or whatever two thousand and.
Two winever but but, yeah this is the first film
to uh to make it happen so good On. Shrack
we talked about that in one of our animated, episodes
probably Like Emperor's New groovers or something like. That we
(32:44):
talked about it The. Oscars, dude adn't we per? Chance? Yes,
CHANCE i think there was some trivia question about. That.
Yeah probably animation started in nineteen ninety. Six we did
speak about that kind of contributes to that sixty million
dollar budget where you're, like, Whoa, like, hey four hundred
and forty eight million dollars gross is. Great sixty million
(33:06):
is a, lot especially Like Mike myers is, Big but
sixty million dollars big, interesting like a lot of THESE
snl guys, Right like actually in the, NINETIES i Think
Mike myers might have been pretty close to his, peak
wouldn't you? Say? Probably, yeah, yeah MAYBE i could see
some heavy hitters. There. YEAH i think the most the
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money that was coming, from.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like just the length of TIME i would, think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And not Like Cameron diaz or Or Eddie. MURPHY i
think it's it's coming mostly from From we're in development
for five, years, right that's just and stuff not, development,
sorry but we're like even even longer, Though like if
it started animating in ninety, six it's, like but think
of all the pre stuff they did and pre casting
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and all that, stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah like actual production from like pre production to, Release
like and that WOULD i mean the pre production for
something like, this especially since it's so kind of groundbreaking
at the, Time LIKE i, mean you're probably looking at
two or three years at, least, yeah plus whatever extra
(34:19):
time for you, know people to like prepare for pre.
Production you, know you got your whoever's you know ideas it,
was you, know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah like all that development, stuff, right trying to find
money and producers and all the other stuff and figuring
out who you want to cast, it which is my next.
Thing so Originally Chris farley was gonna Play shrek saw
that on one of the trivia. Things So Chris farley
died in ninety, seven which is WHAT i was just
searching up on my. Phone But Chris farley did record
(34:50):
and it was it was released a lot of. Lines,
yes in twenty, fifteen it was released a lot of
THE i think it was twenty, fifteen that it was twenty. Fifteen. Yeah,
anyway if you go on YouTube AND i listen to
some of them, today if you go on, YouTube you
can listen to a lot of the some practice. FOOTAGE
i Love Chris, farley always. PHENOMENAL i THINK i Like
(35:12):
shreks the Voice Mike myers a little bit better THAN
i haven't heard That chris is gonna look that up
when we're. Done maybe it's just BECAUSE i like the,
LIKE i like How shrek. Sounds it's just like and
all the test footage Was donkey Is Eddie. Murphy, yeah
it's very, clean it's it's perfectly. Fine and and Then
(35:33):
Chris farley next to it in the same scene is
very it's it's got that little bit of like almost,
raspiness LIKE i don't, know like the writer his.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Voice his voice definitely is not like a clean voice
like Like Eddie murphy like it. Has and that's probably
partly because he spent his whole career screaming you, know.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah like you can you can hear that van down
the river like like a hand down by the you
can hear that in the in the. Voice and so
when you put it next to you put it next
To donkey's. Voice in my, opinion it's kind of like
was he doing an accent in?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It M i believe, so, yeah, yeah not as much
as As Mike, myers but like it was like The
shrek voice right and and Less scottish or, whatever but but.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It it was, like, oh, hello like you know WHAT i,
Mean it's just. YEAH i Love Chris, farley AND i
think he did great in any role he was, in
AND i think he probably would have been a Great.
Trek BUT i Think i'm just listening from the limited
STUFF i heard From Chris. FARLEY i THINK i actually
(36:48):
Enjoyed Mike myers' performance a little bit. MORE i think
his voice fit in better With Eddie murphy BECAUSE i
think it was a little bit, cleaner like they just
both sound, clean and so you're not listening to one
super clean voice into a mic and one really like all,
right not That Chris farley sounded like, that but that's an.
Example may?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It nothing like a fire and a noble romantic mission
to warm the cockles of your?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Heart? YEAH i like my cockles room, Temperature thank you very.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Much, hey if you're not doing this for cockle, warman
why are you doing?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It, yeah simple Fart wade gets his. PRINCESS i get
WHAT i.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Want which is, now come, on what do you?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
WANT i don't have time to set it to? Music
oh this.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Is another one of those onion.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Things, no this is one of those drop it and
leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Things, well why don't you want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It why do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It why you answer the question with a?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Question why are you asking? QUESTIONS i don't want to.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Answer why are you? Blocking i'm not?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Blocking?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Then why do you have problems expressing your? WANTS i.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
DON'T i want you to shut? Up, see no, Problem.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You're just displacing your.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Anger believe, me it's properly. Played you're really?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Mad whoever did this to?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
You? No one did anything to.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Me, yes, yes, yes someone hurts you so. Bad someone
hurts you many years. Ago leave my parents out of,
this right. Through let's go with.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That let's explode family origin where you hugged as a
child stick.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
All, right all?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
RIGHT i want a home and someone to share it. With, okay,
yes strick is.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Okay birkwad said he'd give me my own swamp in
exchange for the.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Princess you really think you can trust? That weeesley oil,
rag don't?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
You hm hmm yeah, Right but Now i'm gonna have
what he.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Wants, boy has he underestimated?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
You, yeah he can join the. Club people see me
and they.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Go, bah help a big, stupid, stinky, smelly ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Ogre i'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
They judged me before they even know.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Me my folks always told me.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
That everyone loves.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Zogers see SO.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I guess they were a little, overprotective a. Little that's
WHY i gotta do. THIS i want him to KNOW
i can take care of. Myself you want to make him?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Prap? Yeah you know, what when we, MET i didn't
think he was just being stupid anioga mm, HMM i.
Know night trek night donkey.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's pretty. GOOD i like, it and it would have been. Fantastic,
YEAH i think it would have been. Fine AND i don't,
know maybe this is partially just we're so attuned to
Hearing Mike myers as. Trek, Right we've we've watched you,
know four movies at this point Of truck Being Mike.
Myers BUT i, Agree Mike myers just HAS i FEEL
(39:53):
i don't know what it, is, like there's just a certain,
quality like you, say to his voice that makes him
feel like an old man almost.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Well, yeah When Chris farley does, it the SHRILL i
don't think fits as well because you have Like Eddie,
Murphy he's Like Staple, Nasawa Max worst and The Morning
ah make it, waffles, right and it's, like, oh it's
like smooth and, clean and Then Mike myers comes and he's,
like oh, hell and it's like, okay like it kind
of matches a bit more, clean Like donkey rather Than. Donkey, yeah,
(40:24):
yeah does that makes? Sense like it's a little less
harsh and the ogre is supposed to be harsh and
and and vicious and. Whatever BUT i just feel like Like.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Mike myers has more like like of a roundness sort
of and like fullness in the voice Than Chris, Farley
like there's there's a little more resonance.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
THERE i agree with, you AND i THINK i think
it just worked better in that instance What Chris Farley
shrek been? Great, yeah of course it would. Have but
BUT i think for what it is, WORTH i Think
Mike myers did a great job and and it was
very hard for him to step into the role and
do it as a you, know as a friend Of Chris.
(41:01):
Farley's you, know the producers, said let's settle this over a,
pint and that is a line that actually made it
into the. Film but but, yeah like it took a
while For Mike myers to get into it and do,
it but but he, did and you, know he considers
it to be some of his most successful, work enough
so that number five is coming out next year with
(41:22):
a new animation, style new animation.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Style what are they? Doing, OOH i haven't looked at
it at.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All, Okay i'm gonna preface this by, saying BEFORE i show, you,
okay It's, jarry it is Really. Jarny you're gonna say
you hate. IT i already know you can hate, it
But i'm gonna tell you this right. Now WOULD i
prefer the old animation? Style, yes from the original and
keep it all the way through one hundred? Percent? Yes
(41:51):
is this new animation higher? Quality? Absolutely it is a
higher quality. Animation the colors are, Better it looks good for.
Animation it looks very. Good but given the fact that
it's so different from the, ORIGINAL i don't think it
should be. USED i think they should go back to the.
Original but it is very good quality. Animation, okay so
(42:11):
keep that in. Mind it's very good. Quality it does
Look i'm gonna hear, it but they, should in my,
opinion they should keep the. Original AND i already know
that that's gonna be your opinion that you hate, it
but you have to agree with. Me you don't have
to agree with, me but try to agree with me
that it does look very high. Quality but they shouldn't
(42:33):
be using. It, Okay i'll. Try but we both right,
now we both agree that they shouldn't be USING i don't.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Know if there's sequels like, this they need. To they
need to they need to keep. That, okay, continuity.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
That's what it looks. Like, see it's it's higher.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Quality, yeah it is and it's definitely much like you
can tell their THREE d models that are made, modern
like you can tell.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Better they're.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Better, yeah like even around the mouth and the. Teeth you,
look you compare that To, yeah like it's.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Better BUT i don't want, it, no because here's what
this what this looks like to. Me and it's like
when you see like a cheap, animation like not on,
YouTube but like ON. Tv you, know you, know like
when you're like a guest character on A tv and you're, like, wait,
what that's not what they're supposed to look. Like really
(43:29):
like a weird episode is like Animated Star. Wars that's
what that reminds me. Of it is way. Better the
lighting is, better like he has like reflections and stuff like.
That it's.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Great lighting is one of the biggest advancements they've made
in animation over the last twenty, years is just realistic
lighting and the ability to calculate like light paths and.
Everything BUT i think you gotta gotta maintain that continuity
otherwise just throws people.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Off my thing, IS i don't think they were investing
in new this new animation style for it to be
like like like in investment and cool and. BETTER i
think they went this way BECAUSE i think it's actually
cheaper to do the modeling that, way BECAUSE i my
(44:15):
theory is the technology for realistic animation is actually so
much more advanced now and better that they can actually
pump out higher quality stuff faster and trying to like
do older LIKE cgi like on some of the.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right it's probably cheaper. Quicker AND i mean it's like you,
say realistic animation now it's so. EASY i, mean like In,
blender you, know your average person with their computer at
home can make a really really good looking animation and you,
can and it's so easy to blend animation like THREE
d models with real world. Footage Like i've done, it you.
(44:50):
KNOW i literally filmed a video out front of my,
house made a THREE d dragon And blender with some you,
know smoke and stuff and positive them.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Together like that's really.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Good and it took, me you, know a week to
do and like that was me learning how to do,
it and you, know and we. DID i did it
in media school again where we built a THREE d,
set filmed everything on a green, screen composited them into
the into the THREE d, set and like you know
WHAT i, Mean like it's really not.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Hard, yeah it's it's. Interesting like it's hard for me
Because i'm not good at that, stuff but.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Once you learn how to do it right, Right like
like IF i went home today and showed you how
to do all, that you could do it with the
computer and the resources you, Have like it's it's that accessible.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Now so, yeah, yeah and that's good. Too like you
see like people on YouTube making fan Made Star wars
animations and you, know unreal engine or stuff like, that
and you're, like. Whoa sometimes you see the comments are
like this is better than like The disney, stuff and you're, like.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Because they're because they're fans and they they they're not
in it to make. Money it's a passion, project.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Right SO i feel like the new animation for is
while it is higher, quality you can't deny. That it
Definitely Like i'll agree with you. There it looks better
in terms of.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Quality but If shrek was coming out now and they
started with, this, yes there would be no is no.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Issue look it how good that? Looks? Yeah, no the
issue comes in where we have four movies that all
look the same exact way and are, fantastic and now
we have to sit down in theaters for the fifth,
one and it's not like anything that we're used. To
and that's a big, thing is like we want to
used to, it BECAUSE i, think especially when you're doing,
(46:36):
sequels it's a lot easier to fall in line with the. Characters,
well sequels after ten, years that is when the animation
style is the, Same like The. Incredibles they picked up
ten fifteen years later with a, sequel same animation, style
maybe a little bit higher, quality but like the same
character models and designs and stuff like. That and everyone's, like, okay,
(46:57):
Perfect we're fine with. This now we can focus on
settling back into the. Characters but now we have to
get back into characters from a movie like like From,
shrek and they look completely. Different not completely. Different we
can still recognize the. Characters it's just it's a. Lot,
Yeah and SO i think personally you should go back
to the how they did it. Beforehand but like you,
(47:21):
said starting at ground, zero this would have been a
very positive. Thing, yeah. Exactly if they did A shrek,
REBOOT i could see them doing, This but since it's a,
sequel it's, like oh, yeah it's just gonna be. Jarring
it's just gonna be. Jarring, Yeah and WHILE i think
you can't say the new animation, sucks LIKE i just,
(47:42):
like you know WHAT i, MEAN i don't.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Know the other PROBLEM i have with it with a
lot of these like ultra realistic animation stuff sometimes is
the fact that it's so.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Realistic well this doesn't look, realistic.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
No BUT i, mean like even just the the more
trying to find the right words is BASICALLY i find
the backgrounds get busier and. Busier you look at Like
Emperor's New groove and that's TWO d, animation but still
it's just painted.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Backdrops, yeah like rolling, hills, Right.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And then you look at something like you, Know Toy,
story it's not the backgrounds aren't that, busy, Right like
there's not a lot of stuff going. ON i, mean
there's still stuff going on enough to make it seem,
right but like the then you get into like some
of the modern, animations and it's just too much in
the background almost and then and the main content gets
(48:35):
lost or you don't focus on as, much LIKE i,
find you, know with like with this With shrek the
in this, CASE i have no problems focusing on the,
action BUT i, find like with some of the modern
animations and newer. Ones it's Like i'm, distracted.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Right because there's also like six hundred cars going Roight,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
RIGHT i mean they can do, that and it makes
it look more, realistic.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah like and actually like animate, traffic like like realistically.
Cool it's, just, yeah it does take away from you,
know what might otherwise be something that would be more. Focusable,
yeah you said it better THAN i. Did, yeah But
i'm just SAYING i understand what you're. Saying so, YEAH
(49:20):
i guess maybe to summarize, that, LIKE i don't think
there's anything wrong with trying to do better with your animation, style,
right like if if you care and want to make it.
Better in this, CASE i definitely think it's probably cheaper
to do it a certain way rather.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Than, LIKE i, like it's a money making, business, Right
they're gonna do what's gonna make them those, money.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Right and it feels weird to say. That it's like
to do what would be less, quality would be like less.
Work BUT i JUST i just feel, like in my,
mind even it might be the dumbest Thing i've ever,
said but in my, mind it just makes more sense
to to be able to to do that that? Way H,
like DO i sound crazy or? Like does? IT i
think it does make sense like that we can actually
(50:07):
like generate something to be higher, quality, Right so who? Knows?
Right AND i think WHAT i prefer the Old trek,
ABSOLUTELY i think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
But there's just something about the ogs that are always.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Better. Yeah in, hey in ten years someone will have
finished Animating trek five with with the og animation on
YouTube and that's gonna be fine, anyways but it is
it is interesting to me the direction they took it.
In AND i do think the animation looks really. Good
it's just it's just a lot to take in and
(50:44):
it's it's not like bad like you Remember sonic when
they did the First sonic that was. Rough, YEAH i
think maybe has something out for the delivery. Drivers. Yeah,
anyways if you've seen the photos of the Original sonic they,
made do you remember that? Vaguely do you want to? See?
Yes refresh my? Memory, Okay like that was, Bad and
(51:09):
so people are, saying, oh it's Like sonical over. Again
it's like, no, no it's not like you can't give me.
That the only reason people are saying that is because
like that's what they saying that's what the movie, is
which is. Great this is, like oh.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh, yeah now he just looks like a fucking. Weirdo.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, anyways so it's, LIKE i don't think it's The sonic.
TREATMENT i don't think they're in the same, category. RIGHT
i doubt they're going to do a complete overhaul and change. It,
no this is the direction they chose to go with
because it's it's it is higher, quality, right and it
looks higher. Quality it's just a tough pill to swallow
(51:50):
because we all want the old stuff. Back but, yeah
there you. Go shrek has his Own hall Of fame
in The Hollywood walk Of. Fame oh. COOL i like.
That it's a fun little. FACT i Think donkey should
have one. Too, YES i don't know if he. DOES
i did Meet shrek And. Donkey it was In Universal,
(52:10):
Studios The shrek The. Donkey. Yeah, yeah they're a lot
less animated than. Really they have like a little waffles
stand you can buy waffles out outside of like the.
Ride they have like a FIVE d, experience which is pretty.
Cool only Time i've been in like a FIVE d,
THEATER i. Think but like they had this thing where
Like donkey. Sneezes it's like you're wearing THREE d THREE d,
(52:32):
glasses but like the sheet seats shake and blow air
on you and spray water and, stuff and So donkey
sneezes at the camera and it splashes. You they, go
oh like they have a spart where spiders start crawling
around and say a blow air at your. Heels see you're, like. Whoa,
yeah my mom was not a fan of.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
THAT i remember being in one of those one. TIME
i don't remember where we, were and my mom was
with me and they had this like little thing in
the back of the chair that would poke you.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
And it was not that's Called Uncle. Frank i'm so.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Sorry, yeah, sure, Anyway yeah that was not. FUN i
didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
One, yeah, yeah. Okay, WELL i think that's pretty much
ALL i am for. FACTS i DON'T i don't really
have much. More i've seen this movie a lot of,
times a lot of, times a lot of. GUS i
Watched rek AND i, Think, wow what a grade. Film.
(53:35):
NO i think the pacing's. GOOD i think it's a simple,
story BUT i THINK i think it. Works it's, funny
it's well, animated and the time is good.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Too it's a ninety minute, movie, right, yes or just over.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
ONE i think it's one thirty. NINE i think for. Sure,
YEAH i thought it was one.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Though maybe the credits are with the credits it, is
it was.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Like one thirty, Nine LIKE i thought it was like
ninety nine let's look or some some random. Crap BUT
i also watched it On.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Amazon oh we watched it on that was on yeah
at our twenty, nine our twenty.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Nine oh, yeah so it's be an eighty nine minute.
Movie so we were both. Wrong, NO i was. Close
you were.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Closer prices, right rules we both. Lose, No, no you were.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Closer so one one? Nine? Yeah, interesting, yeah very. Interesting
WELL i think IT'S i think it's good for A suger.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Movie AND i, mean LIKE i, LIKE i, LIKE i
like shorter. Movies you know you, Too you watch them
in one sitting you don't need to worry About, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, no that that is. Strange, YEAH i THINK i
don't know WHY i thought it was once or. Nine,
see And i'm the guy who's supposed to be presenting,
facts so that's pretty scary That i'm. WRONG a lot
of the, time we got to put a, disclaimer like,
literally don't listen to this, guy just LIKE i gotta
wear a shirt that doesn't don't, right should put that
(55:04):
on THE t? Shirts just, yeah don't listen to this.
Guy not, Correct, no It it's just a well done,
movie AND i think the animation is. Great have you
seen the nineteen ninety five test footage Of?
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Shrek, well WHEN i was looking up The Chris farley,
One i'm pretty SURE i saw, something And i'm, like,
wait is that what they Thought shrek should look?
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Like? Dog it's. Brutal that is a sonic. Situation so
talk about a real. Dilemma you cannot tell me that
it was a good. Direction, yeah it was, brutal like
all that? Scary, yeah he actually looks. Scary, yeah we
should overlay a picture of that as. Well i'll find.
Up but, yeah, like thank, goodness say change. That it's
(55:49):
not even that. BAD i think it's just we got
so coddled with with How shrek looks, now, yeah, Where,
yeah he definitely looks more.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Like, well that's that's just think the same thing with
The Chris farley Versus Mike. Myers the same thing with
that look was this. Look we're just we've had four
movies of the way it, is and SO i think
anything other than that just is really weird to.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Us but if we.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
Had started with, that and probably like maybe it wouldn't
have been so. WEIRD i don't, know but you, know
you don't, know you really don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Exactly, Right like we wouldn't be able to believe if
they had changed How almo, looks, like, yeah. Exactly But
i'm sure if you looked around at early drafts of
What almo was gonna look, like, yeah you might actually
find some gold in, there or you might find some horrible, abomination,
right who, knows, Right and and that's just how it goes.
Sometimes so if we're gonna make a tier list of
(56:42):
twenty twenty Five, shrek two thousand and One, shrek and
nineteen ninety Five, SHREK i mean two thousand and one's,
king BUT i definitely think twenty twenty five looks a
lot nicer than ninety.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Five, yeah, Yeah i'd take the twenty or the twenty
twenty five over the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Five exactly. Right and it's just using the same kind
of model A, shrek but just, like well maybe not
the same, MODEL i, guess just like dimensions are a
little bit, different but, whatever we're just we're just tweaking
it and doing some other stuff right and. NOT i don't. Know,
AGAIN i don't. Know i'm so caught up on. THIS
i would very much not rather have the twenty twenty.
(57:19):
Five but at least they're doing something trying to be
making it. BETTER i, guess at, least whether that's malicious
intent or. Not, yeah WHAT i do really Enjoy shrek
cool is that IT i don't really.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
WANT i didn't get out of here just on the
poster and it.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
LOOKED i, mean you can double, check BUT i don't think.
TODAY i think it should be. OVER i think this
is better Than Taxi. Driver, yeah well, CRAZY i. KNOW i,
like that's a start a war in the. Comments BUT
i put it over a Big lebowski me. TOO i
(58:02):
put it Over Wayne's. World, YEAH i put it. OVER
i Like shrek more Than. Jaws probably, NOT i.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
DO i Enjoyed shrek more Than jaws really. ACTUALLY i,
mean but the thing, is we're also comparing apples and.
ORANGES i, mean it's an animated movie versus live. Actions
that's that's hard to comparage. Anyway rate? It what DO
i give? It let me give it an eight point.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Eight, yeah, yeah, yeah eight and a. Half. Cool, cool
there we, go There's. Shrek thanks for watching the Viewing.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Room I'm, Ethan I'm. ADAM i THINK i don't really
know you just. Watched you gotta get better at this. Outro,
thanks
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