The Viewing Room Ep 34- Moana - Review and Analysis - The Viewing Room

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Doopy dooby doo bat dooby doopy doop bath.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
No, it calls me and no one knows how fuck
good be the light in the sky in the.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
City as I was watching. I was watching that last
night at work and I'm like, so, of course of
the control room door is open and everything, and I
got it at full volume. I'm like, somebody say to
come in and hear that blasting and go, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Dog? My homies can know I lovewie, dude. I'd just
be like, hey, I could go on and on, kid,
I can explain every natural phenomenon, the birds, the grass
and tides, the ground. Oh that was ma. We just messing, dude.
I yeah, don't can't let my can't let my family know.
I'm mess with that.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Okay, shall we do this?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, that's not going in the episode.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, it's definitely going at the episode. And now time
for the viewing room with Adam and Eton.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Welcome to the viewing room where.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You're the one who wanted us to get going, and
now you do that, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Welcome to the viewing room where we talk about films
new and old to local and global. Today we're talking
about Mowana, which released November twenty third, two thousand and sixteen.
I mean fun facts. That day, a bunch of like
famous actors and friends of Elvis and stuff died. That
was pretty much it. There was like six or seven
famous death.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
On one day.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
On one day.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, at the same time. Did somebody have a bomb
at some event?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
No, I don't know. I just think a lot of
like old age seventy year olds, like I said, friends
of Elvis. Not that seventy is really super old age,
but I mean whatever. Really other box office notable things
would be like Doctor Strange, Fantastic Peace Where to find Them?
That was kind of in and out that time. So

(02:05):
there you go. A budget of one hundred and fifty
million dollars, quite a substantial budget for an animated film.
I tried looking up how much The Rock made from
that now.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know it was about one hundred and forty EMAILI.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, I couldn't find like public information. I went to
what is that? I wrote it down. Parade dot Com
said about twenty one million dollars for the Rock. That
sounds pretty substantial. Now we do know last year, between
Mawana I and Red One being some of it, he
made eighty eight million dollars, so probably looking at almost

(02:43):
double for the sequel, I would say. I mean his
contract for Red one was what forty fifty million dollars,
so that's insane, right. Anyways, pretty high budget movie. I
think a lot of it kind of went into ocean
and hair. Yeah, is kind of like the Chace two
things that.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I have to say. The animation this movie does really
stand out. It's it's pretty good. Like yeah that I was.
I was admiring that water, like the refraction of the
light and everything in it, like it is. It is
really really well done. Yeah, I gotta I gotta hand
it to.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Them, And I agree, you're pulling out that sparkling nice. Yeah,
I'm gonna pull my sparkling ice. We are not sponsored,
but we have to talk about these because we got
them for the studio. This is the greatest thing I
have ever drank in my whole.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Life, besides Mountain dew. I but they are very very good.
I think there was like a whole case of them,
and they're almost gone, and they've been here for like
a week or not even Yeah, I don't even think
it's been a week and they're they're almost gone. Everybody
comes in drives them and there's like, that's good.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, sparkling water, star Wars flavored sparkling water, a little
bit of sodium, low calories, no sugar, insane, it's so good.
That's That's basically it, the sparkling nice Starbus flavors. I
just want to talk about that for a second. And

(04:11):
I had to bring it up at some point because
every time I've come in here this week, I h
I've been enthralled by the flavor. So there you go.
Cast Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Okay. And I don't want
to I didn't want to butcher the pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, I was. I didn't even bother trying.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I wrote. I watched three different talks shows who
all said it differently, like Jimmy Kimmel and whoever else,
but I averaged them out Ali E Cravolo, Cravlo, Ali
e Cravlo Okay, So Mowana moan.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I'm just gonna call her mowanna because.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Ali Cravallo okay, And some said cravolio is it Stephen coleb.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Is that doing Colbert Colbert's French? Yes?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
He said, Cravalio. Uh. The other dude said Cravlow.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
So I don't think people it's like it's like, what's
your face?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We're talking.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
We're talking about it in a couple episodes ago, a
Grand Budapest h Sersha Ronan, like nobody knows how to
say her name.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, but I wrote it down. I gave it by
all Ali Cravallo. That's pretty that was pretty decent. That's
better than I even tried to do. So even the
talk show hosts just like, you know what you know,
like when you you're not one hundred percent sure you
know someone's name, so you say it a little bit quieter,
kind of like when you're singing song lyrics and you

(05:42):
kind of like forget a little verse, so you're like
the light in this sky and this scene has been.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Sure you know that, Like I know what it's like
to forget words, but yes, I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So I think that's kind of what people were doing
a bit. Maybe they didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's funny though. You can also tell when they've obviously
had somebody like to have been practicing it like you were,
and they're like very precise, and all of a sudden,
their accent completely chick oh.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah changes yeah, yeah, Yeah, I love that. Yeah, today
we're going to be meeting with a famous actor. Ali.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah right, I'm so excited to introduce.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, it's like it's like a ritual. All right. I
will read a synopsis and then we can get into
some some movies.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Talk yay.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Mowana Synopsis, an adventurous teenager sails out on a daring
mission to say for people. During her journey, Mowana meets
the once mighty demigod Maui, who guides her in her
quest to become a master wayfinder. Together, they sail across
the open ocean on action pack voyage, encountering enormous monsters

(07:02):
and impossible odds along the way. Moana fulfills the ancient
quest of her ancestors and discovers the one thing she
always sought, her own identity.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's so beautiful, Okay, and why did we choose this movie? Okay?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So I was babysitting last night with my little cousins
and they're in a huge Malana face right now, like
there they dig the Mawanas right, and uh, my little
cousin he loves Maui. You know, all the parts from
Maui wasn't on screen It was like he wanted us
to fast forward the movie just to get to Maui

(07:41):
because he loves it and he usually sings apparently, but
he didn't sing when Mali was on screen. He was like,
you know, he's three years old or just turned three
last week? Right, and my other cousin who just turned
bye last week. I can't remember. She swore five. We
were singing. I'm I'm okay. You know, I wasn't gonna
admit it today, but you know what, I woke up

(08:03):
in a good mood. We were maybe singing a little bit. Yeah,
I don't know. I did the hand. A lot of
guys they wouldn't sing during Molana, but I chanted it.
Malania and I we were chanting very loud. Yeah, no,
it was. We kind of had a little bit of
a party. And again I don't know why I'm talking,

(08:24):
like Trump stop it, okay, I just I can't do
the hand jesters anymore. I have hands on my lap.
We did have a good time though. We made some popcorn.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
You know, when you said, okay, let's do Molana, I'm like, fine,
because I know we have to do movies that we
don't like too. But you took me away from hockey.
I was watching the hockey. There's a couple of hockey games.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Sorry, you just you don't like Mohana. No, actually I
really dig this movie. That's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I don't like it anyway, you took me away from hockey.
That was the biggest travesty of the night.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
He was playing. Was it the Leaves game?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, it was I was watching. Yeah, well the Leaves
were playing the Kings, but I was watching them and
the Uh I was kind of flipping back and forth
between them and the Blue Jackets and the Senators. I
don't know. I didn't want to get to watch the
ending because I had to watch Malana instead.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, you got to watch Malana.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I had to watch Milana.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I we're gonna talk about that because I actually do
like Moana and.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Their aspects of it.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I like, you know what, I'm gonna get into it
right now. I had a revelation last night. Okay, as
I was sitting there, had two cousins just like, posted up,
We're having a great time, you know, singing along and okay,
we stopped the movie halfway through to make some popcorn, right,
and then I was like, oh, like you guys want
me to turn off the lights and their cousin was like, yeah,

(09:51):
like a real movie theater, and my heart like skipped
the meat. I was like, oh my gosh, my cousins
enjoy movies, I mean not really a hot take too,
and they fans of.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The viewing room. I would suggest it.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, my four year old cousin watches every episode
and sends me long emails about what could be improved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, I agree with your point at times down thirty
minutes forty one seconds, but I do think that you
could have taken it a step further by insinuating that
Momana was actually a parable for the entire universe and
a history of mankind.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah. Well, when my four year old cousins starts talking
to me about allegories, then we'll we'll we'll maybe bring
them on. But I had a little revelation because they
were like even just like me, turning lights off was
just like an awesome moment, you know what I mean,
because it was like a real movie theater, and I

(10:51):
just kind of like made me think, like, hey, you
know what, this is kind of why we like to
review movies and talking with movies. Because they were both
just they love the whole thing, Like I think Mawan
is a good movie, but like, yeah, they absolutely love it,
and it makes you realize and think, like, yes, we
can enjoy or dislike something. But at the end of

(11:13):
the day, I was sitting with the exact target demographic
of this film, and to the target demographic they made
the movie too. It's an absolute hit. Yeah, part true,
and so it makes you realize. And this is kind
of how we review a little bit where we go
off of of at the times enjoyment, where we can

(11:36):
look at technical elements all day and we think those
are very important elements one hundred percent, but we also
look at it from a way of like, okay, in
the demographic it was supposed to hit, did it hit?
Did it land? And did we enjoy it? And I
think it made me realize like, yeah, maybe I don't
love all the Disney princess singing whatever all that much,

(11:57):
but like when you're with your little cousins and they're
actually digging it and you realize, wait, hold on a second.
I can sit here and complain about element's side in
like old day, but like, who does it really matter
to you? When I have exactly who this film was
made for, sitting right beside me, and they're freaking digging
it the whole time. So just I don't know, hard

(12:19):
to explain, but it just like it made me realize, like, hey,
this is kind of why I really enjoy movies, because like,
you know what I mean, I could even sit there
and grovel the whole time, but that's not going to
change how my cousins are singing along and loving it
and wanting to see Maui. And I just like, I
don't know, it just made me realize, like, hey, sometimes
it's good to take a little bit of a step
back and realize, like who is this really for and

(12:43):
and what is it really about?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
And I'm glad you said Maui though that they were
after Maui though, because that's where my main problem with
this film lies is with Malana herself.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Really.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I despise her character. I find that she is the
hero of the story, takes all the credit for everything,
but doesn't actually do anything. There are like she decides, Okay,
I'm gonna do this, and so she goes, and you know,

(13:16):
every time she falls off the boat who saves her
the ocean she can't fix. She doesn't know how to sail.
How does she get where she's going? The ocean carries
her every time, you know, they run into an enemy.
Now it's Mauie's turn to go fight. And so there's
like one scene when they get to the crab where
she fakes him out, and then the very ending scene

(13:37):
when they put the heart back. But she doesn't really
do anything there either. She's not the one fight in
the big Monster. All she does is go stand on
the other side of the island until the fighting is done,
and then walks across the ocean.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
She's like getting I think we should just give.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
She literally do anything the entire movie and gets all
the credit. The best analogy I can think of for
this is the uh is a politician, right? I know,
no politics, no religion, But what does a politician do?
I have this fantastic idea for this social program that's
going to solve this this this issue. First of all,

(14:18):
they didn't come up with the issue. Somebody in their
in their you know, cabinet did. But they present the issue.
It's their idea or that that's this solution, it's their thing.
And then they form a committee that goes and does
the actual execution of it. And then the politician goes,
look what I did. I did all this. I solved
this huge problem by myself right.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Under my administration. We will at tack you this issue. Hey, Janet,
can you accounting and can you make sure they get
the numbers for that sort of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's exactly the same thing and so like. And then
the other problem I have with her is they gave
her this the Ray Skywalker treatment. Right, so all of
a sudden, So at the beginning, she can't even sail,
she can't sail or anything. She can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
She can't say, she literally cannot do anything.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
She doesn't know how to sail. All of a sudden,
the ending scene, now she can perfectly turn a giant boat.
I don't believe the one hundred pound teenager is going
to be able to turn a boat the same way
Maui is, like, you know when they stomp on the
end and swing it around show and just all these things,
all of a sudden, she can perfectly sail and do
all this. It's like it's the it's the Ray Skywalker treatment.

(15:30):
It's just I just don't like her character at all.
And I really think you just don't like strong women. No,
it's not that at all, because like, no, it's just
not it. It's it's if it was the same they
could replace it with a male teenager, and if it
was the exact same story, I would have the exact
same issues. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Okay, I am going to fight you on some of
these points.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, I was expecting nothing less.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
First, well, for the most part, I do agree with you,
And I was thinking the same thing last night. I
had the same thing where I was like, hold on,
Milana's kind of just like kind of there. Sometimes. Here's
the thing. First of all, she has the courage and
the confidence. I don't know why I'm about like I

(16:23):
feel like I'm about to start a rally somewhere. Like
she's like the hole in the village, right, you know,
her grandma is kind of like the crazy lady. She
has the confidence to look out and be like, hey,
I want to go explore for the better of our people,
because there has to be a reason why we can
fix everything with the heart of Taffiti. Right that the
ocean decided that she should have because the ocean thought like, hey,

(16:46):
this girl, she can restore the peace whatever, like Luke
Skywalker of the Universe, and so Malana has the courage
all on her own just like get out of there,
which you could kind of look at also, and she's
just kind of like left.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, I really, I honestly really find that that part
of the story quite weak too, Like the way she
she all of a sudden decides I'm gonna go sail
out like so because one lady told you that you should,
and because the ocean did some weird things.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
But her mom also, I guess, helps her pack her bag,
which is kind of like a telling incident there where
her mom's even like.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Guess, but it just I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Anyways, she has the courage to go out and do it.
She finds Maui, she grabs him by the ear, she
tells him she does. At one point she's like, Hya
Maawana Matanui, and you will help me restore the heart
of traffiti. And my name is Paul Modiba Tredi's Duke
of Aracus.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, but it's again it's this, it's she's it's she's
getting somebody to do it for her. So does it
take courage to do it for her or to do
it yourself.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, but here's the thing. She's trying to like convince
Maui and do it right, and so she actually has
like resolve, and Maui's kind of just like he's kind
of defeated, you know what I mean. So she's also
like his hype man in a way. And in the
end of the day, who actually saves a day, well
kind of the ocean in a way, but she restores

(18:13):
the heart of Teffiedi.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
So because the ocean split the Red Sea for her.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, but like she could have just went to that
other island, so she could have just swam over and
went to the other island.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
She did well.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Maui was kind of like the whole reason is because
Maui's hook is destroyed and so now he can't really
fight with Taffeedi, and and Taffedi is like all angry
and shit, but like kind of gets more passive once
Maui's dead, not dead, but like defeated because like Maui
doesn't know like he's actually making things worse even though

(18:49):
he's trying to do the right thing. So it's like
Mwana restores the art in the end. I feel like
Mawana has like Man, I really didn't think we're spending
nine am on a talking about the hero's journey in Malwana. Man,
this is crazy. I just here's the thing. I felt
the same exact way. But I think at the end

(19:09):
of the day they did show Mowana has a ton
of resolve and and encourage and she went and sailed
the whole ocean herself.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
She didn't, she did.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
She see sailed out to the reef, and then the
ocean did the ocean, and now he did the rest.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Literally, she's she She sails out to the reef and fails.
She tries again the second time when the actual journey starts,
she makes it out there, she gets just you know, destroyed.
She wakes up on the island she's supposed to get to.
She fell asleep the entire time. And then finally when
again when she's like I'm gonna sail, it like, teach
me how to sail, and then she falls asleep.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But she has an aptitude to learn.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
No, she didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'll tell you this, It takes a lot of courage
to go out and risk your life doing it. You
have no idea what to do. I know, because that's
kind of like my life.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Across the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
And what I mean is I start every sentence not
knowing where it's going. And that takes a lot of courage. Okay, Okay,
for the last twenty years, I've been doing that, and
I know it takes courage and bravery to do that. Okay,
So I have mad respect when someone risks their life
to do that same exact thing and she learns and

(20:33):
just the body slammed the door.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah Jesus.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, maybe let's get into a little bit of a plot.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
We have Montanui the island. Okay, basically, all the people
are on the island. They're happy. The island gives them
what they need a little sing song. But Mawana, you know,
even though the island's kind of giving her everything she needs,
she's like the daughter of the chief and all that,
and she knows she's going to be the next leader
of the people. But she's like, huh, I really want

(21:02):
to explore the ocean and figure out what's out there.
You know, how far will she go? Wink wink in
a light in the sky. Yeah. Anyways, So so she
wants to explore, but the people they don't go out
there past the reef because there's nothing for them out there. Right.
They have all the coconuts on the island, they got

(21:24):
the fish in the sea. But eventually they kind of
start to realize like all their coconuts are rotting, the
fishural leaving, but they can't go out further because it's
like forbidden amongst their people. Wannas she's not really chill
with that. She wants to go out and explore and adventure,
and her grandma is like all for it too. What

(21:47):
everyone calls Grandma crazy because she's like, you know whatever,
Like she's a crazy ol lady. She's this crazy old lady. Anyways,
Grandma dies, and n Wana's like, you know what, I
need to restore the heart of Taffeedi, which the ocean
like brought to her, because you know, it's just like

(22:09):
maybe that's why the island of Taffidi, you know, little
thing like that creates life needs to be restored and
and that's why like everything's dying is because you know,
like no more life is being created kind of thing.
So Wanna sails away against her dad's wishes, but like
you know, she's kind of edgy because her Grandma's dead

(22:31):
the way you said, and and yeah, so she goes out,
She tries to sail. She learns that the ocean is
not very forgiving. You know, her boat kind of flips.
Everything happens. Now, her dad had reasons for for not
sailing them, basically, like you know, is.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
He tried it and his buddy died.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes, but he's not technically the one that forbid going
out past the reef.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Technically no, it was a while.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, like their ancestors made it not like that, but liked.
But his dad has his own personal reasons. Her dad
has his own personal reasons for that. So kind of
interesting there. Anyways, Mauana goes sailing out. She's gonna find Maui,
make Maui restore the heart of traffiti, because Maui's like
a cool little demigod. She does find Maui after her

(23:17):
boat crashes onto this island after.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
The ocean carried her because she was unconscious. Yes, she
has nothing to do with me making it to that island.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
If my four year old cousin digs this movie, I
dig this movie. Okay, I am family strong, all right. Anyways,
we had a great time. Okay, so you can't that's fine.
We had a great time.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Like you said, target audience, but I can still hate.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It and listen, I'm also kind of the target audience.
So that's like, there is nothing up here, right here,
right there is just completely it is a blank slate,
all right, So you know what I mean. It's like
a rebooted constantly. So so I can't argue with that.

(24:07):
You know, me, you know this, I was perfect for this.
So Maui's kind of a little washed up. You know,
he's kind of all sad because he doesn't have his hook,
so he can't really shape shift because his real power
comes from the hook. Kind of interesting, you know. I
always think back to that line in Spider Man Homecoming

(24:28):
and yeah, yeah, I know exactly what if you're nothing
without the suit, then you shouldn't have it. Yeah, thirteen
year old me thought that was so powerful. Yeah, and
and you know earlier he was like, oh, you know what,
maybe I agree it really is. And so I just
kind of thinking that the whole time. It's like, huh,
I feel like Maui is the weakest character of this
because I feel like they don't develop Maui enough because

(24:49):
they have little elements here of oh, MAUI was like
cast away by this people, but then he got the
then he got the uh the hook, and he was
like doing stuff and mankind loved him in Cherish and
so he's like, oh cool.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, his motivations seem to change throughout and he kind
of yeah, it's a character artist. Character arc is kind
of weird him.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, he goes from not wanting to do it because
he's scared of the Heart of Taffiti, but then he's
just like kind of not scared anymore because he's gonna
restore it. So yeah, kind of interesting. He does redeem
himself in the end, but I feel like it's kind
of a little bit wishy washy.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
But I mean, honestly, my favorite character in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Mm hmm. Hey, hey, ah, you know what, My favorite
character is the pig. And for some reason, I don't
know why, Why doesn't they Why don't they just make
the pig gum like with the virgin? Why does the
Why why do that? Why? Like, if we're gonna have
an animal sidekick, might as well make it too, like
we have a dumb chicken and all right, like that's cool,

(25:47):
that's funny, But like, where's the pig, what happened.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
With the pig?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Hey? Hey, is is pretty cool? Actually that's pretty much.
That's pretty much me.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I would say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're Molana.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm hey.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
No, I'm not ma Wana. No, who are you? I'm nobody? Sorry,
you're nobody that started. Yeah, I'm that random villager. I'm standing,
you know, in the background of one of those scenes.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Your Village of thirty seven. As for the crowd exactly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Ok, perfect, or or one of those little coconut coconut
monkey things with the blow darts. Oh another big shipka
mora or whatever. Yeah that those.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Things the easiest little hands. Imagine that now horror movie setting.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, completely dark at night, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Hey, sad side anyways, so I want to meets Maui.
Like I said, Maui's kind of washed up a bit,
but he sings a song. You know, you're welcome because he's.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Like, hey, like, can I just I just got to
add some here. Soundtrack in this movie is great. I'll
give that. The soundtrack is pretty fun. However, I'd like
to make sure people are ware that Dwayn Johnson can't
actually sing. This is all auto tune and effect. He
cannot actually sing.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yes, I would say, though, don't don't defend him. I'm
not like a huge Dwayn Johnson fan, you know, like
you know what I mean, Like I don't really care
that much, Like it's like whatever, Like I don't think
he's like a bad person or anything like that. Like
I don't think he's like a like my favorite actor
or anything like that. Because I would say, I would
say it's passable though, like you know what I mean,

(27:31):
I think you're welcome as a great song.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
But yeah, because it's all effects in auto tune. I'm
not saying it that makes it like it's bad. I'm
just saying, you know, when people hear that thing, oh
so and so can really sing, No, they can't. It
sounds fine for the movie, but they can't. Actually it's like.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Them digitally editing the brutalist accents.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, and I don't. I mean, it's the same thing.
It's it's you.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Know what I mean, they have to maybe not, but
they had the technology and they decided to work.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Right, and and that's fine if they want to do that,
but just be aware that's not actually what Adrian Brody
was saying. And that's not actually what Dwayne Johnson sounds
like when he sings.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And I mean, like that doesn't bug me.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I mean, you know, it's not. It's just that it
bugs me when people aren't aware of that, because then
they think that someone can actually sing. Are aware, No,
I don't think they are.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think that I just don't think they care as much.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't think people are aware of it, Like I
really don't.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Here's the thing. It still sounds like Dwayne Johnson. It
doesn't sound like crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It doesn't. But the thing is like, then that's that's
the thing is that people think, oh, Dwayn Johnson can
actually sing, and it just to me feels disingenuous that
people actually think someone can sing like that when it like, no,
you can't. And it's just we've become so attuned to
auto tune, no pun intended, so attuned to auto tune
that that that it's just expected like all modern music,

(28:58):
it uses it. And I don't like it because to me,
it feels like then you don't actually get rewarded for
having skills as much as you used to. Like I mean,
like you know, look at you know, popular musicians from
like you know, before the nineteen ninety Like literally there
was there was very very little auto tunes. So if

(29:20):
you were gonna become famous or well known or you know,
renowned for your skills, you actually had to have skills, right.
And now all it is is about you know, going viral,
right and and and you don't have to have it,
you know, like you know those you see those videos
on like TikTok and YouTube shorts and stuff where they're
like sitting in their kitchen and it just sounds like

(29:42):
the most perfect harmonies ever. It's like that's so fake.
It's the fakest thing ever. And it just it's the
same thing where it just feels disingenuous to me, where
like you know, I mean like I'm by no means
a fantastic singer, but like I mean, I perform, you know,
quite frequently, and I don't have any effects or anything,

(30:03):
and I mean, like it's just and I mean I
know lots of people who are phenomenal singers that don't that.
You know, if they were well known, they could be huge,
you know, and they could do that for a living
and they would be really good at it. But they're
not huge because they just didn't get lucky. But it
just feels it's.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
So saturated that you're gonna have to break through and
have a clip blow up or sight.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
And it's not about skills anymore. It's about how viral
you can make something go, and it's and it just
it feels to me like the movies don't help that
when they make it seem like these actors can sing.
I mean, it's the same thing with like Greatest Showmen,
for example, And I love that movie. The music in
that is so much fun. But you know, you listen

(30:49):
to Hugh Jackman in the movie, it's fantastic, but you
listen to Hugh Jackman singing it live, it's not as fantastic.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I I Hugh Jackman's a good singer.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
You heard him do it love?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah? Yeah, I watched a ton no, no, I've watched
a ton of Behind the Sun. Hugh Jackman can do it. Okay,
I will agree with you. For the Rock, I will
strongly disagree. Hugh Jackman is a fantastic singer, huge different,
a fantastic Broadway performer. Hugh Jackman is incredible. Okay. I
will agree with you one hundred percent on the Rock

(31:23):
one hundred percent. And I was gonna say, I was
gonna say this, You're an actual singer. I'm not okay,
fully understand you. You have the knowledge and stuff to
talk about that way more one hundred times than I do.
Hugh Jackman, though, come on.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I've listened to it. I guess again. It's I hear different things,
right I I I I.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Think you heard wrong on that one. Hugh Jackman is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I wouldn't say he's fantastic sing. I would say he's not.
He's not bad, but he's not fantastic. It's nothing like
the movies with.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
The Greatest Showman. You can tell everything he has has
been edited or done whatever and worked with.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
But you when you hear him do it live, it
is not even close to being the same. And and
then I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
He is fantastic singer, he's okay, and maybe they make
it cleaner in editing and doing that stuff. But you can't.
You can't say Hugh Jackman is is is a bad singer.
I'm sure if you heard that. I don't say bad.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'm just saying like, he's not fantastic, he's he's It's
not even close to the same as the movie, saying.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't know about that one. I don't know about
that one. I think Hugh Jackman is pretty dang good
if you watch like the audition tapes and like the
behind the scenes like like meetings or I haven't watched
all that for for that, I like, I was kind
of blown away because I didn't think Hugh Jackman. I
wasn't like Wolverine, this guy can't sing, like like no way.

(32:45):
And then I watched those saves and I was like, WHOA,
I assumed wrong. I I think I disagree, like I like,
I just think objectively he's he's good at it, like
I I can't. I haven't seen I certainly better than that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't say he's that good. I like
he's okay and it's passable, but it's not like fantastic
like you said, I mean, you're actually like a trained singer.
I just I guess I'm hearing different things, right, like,
like you know, the things that that that I look
for I hear are going to be different than than
your average person, you.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Know, Yeah, Like I mean, I'm I'm the average person here.
I'm not a trained singer. You're a trained singer. I mean,
I'm not a huge fan of like music or musicals either,
but like I do like The Greatest Showman, and I
thought he did a great job. But I mean, like
I said, yeah, like you're more qualified to speak on
it than I am, but just as someone who was
watching for enjoyment, and and I thought it was remarkable.

(33:40):
But because yeah, like if you're if you're a trained singer,
maybe if you otherwise, right, So it's it's fair enough, right,
It's like i'd say in that instance, I would say,
maybe I'm more of the demographic for that, because.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, right, like your average person doesn't it. I think
that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
They're not making in the movies for someone to hyperanalyze and.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Right, and and and it's it's just I just it's
not that I have a problem with them doing that, because,
as you said, it's no different than them editing you know,
any kind of editing you possibly do. It's no different.
But the thing is, I just want people to be aware.
I want your average person to be aware that that

(34:24):
isn't what the person actually sounds.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's right. I don't everything takes it with a grain
of salt, though, don't they.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Don't think so some people. I hear online people talking
about it, or I see on talk shows and stuff,
and I feel like a lot of people don't don't
realize it or realize quite how good you can do it.
It's like, I don't know, maybe I.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Want to sings, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, yeah, but they're also aware that that's a joke, right,
It's right. They're not trying to pass that off as
he can actually sing really well, right, you know what
I mean. There's a difference between like that and like
Dwayne Johnson singing in Mowana.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Here's the thing. I don't think Dwane Johnson saying him
I wanta to was necessarily meant to be, like, oh
my god, Dwayne Johnson is the musical prowess that still
needed because here's the thing. They gave him one song
and he sounds like Dwayn Johnson through the whole thing, right,
And I don't mind at all. I really enjoy that.

(35:22):
Maybe there's some autotune doing whatever whatever effects use. Again, no,
I'm not the person to ask on that stuff, but again,
it's passable. It works, It sounds good. Him singing You're
welcome is great.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I agree. I just want people to be aware that
that's not what he sounds like, you know what I mean.
I just I think that's something that people need to
be aware. Anyway, we beat this like a dead horse, So.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, okay. Anyways, now he's kind of full of himself
in a way, but he's also a little bit unconfident
at the same time. For it's like a weird dynamic
because he's scared because he doesn't have his hook, but
he's also like super confident, like, yeah, I'm the hero
of this story, right. But anyways, they go through, they

(36:03):
go to find his his hook. They get it from
a crab, a singing crab who sings a song called
shiny Hey just Grandma, I like.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
A fun song.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, and and basically they rescue the hook. Now he
can't really use the hook because he's a little bit
uh you know whatever, hook impotent, shape shifter you can't
really you can't really use these.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Can you imagine if Mali got drunk? That would be
so funny, Beau see drunk Malley what shape shifting and stuff?
Can you imagine like a drunk fish all of a sudden,
and then like the next scene is drunk Hawk or whatever.
Why not just random thought that just wow, that could

(36:48):
be like a funny adult version, like if if.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Sounded like a stoner thought, Yeah, man, like what if
we got Mali like super fucking blasted and and he
turned into like a whale.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like like like that sounding like the adults swim like
that cartoon or something would would would would do like
when they're you know, like when they're doing like Robot
Chicken does their spin offs of Star Wars or something like.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh man, that was crazy. I was not expecting that.
Oh man. Okay, Anyways, they rescue the hook Maw he
kind of learns, I mean fairly quickly how to how
to use this hook again in shape shift and do whatever.
He teaches Mowana how to sail a bit, so she's
less dependent on the ocean but more like utilizing ocean

(37:43):
and stars and stuff to guide her and sail a bit. Yeah.
It's interesting because Maw he's like stuck on this island
for a long time, right m hm, and he's like
thanking like, you know, the gods for bringing him a
boat and doing whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Also, I got a point, depending on how long he
was stuck on that island, he wouldn't actually know how
to navigate by the stars anymore. Yeah, because procession would
change the places of the stars in the sky, and
then he wouldn't. He might be able to use the
same points, but they would eat it to not the
same place anyway.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, that's interesting. I know nothing about that, so I
can't I can't say I.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Read a whole bunch about that in it's a very
interesting Graham Hancock's book. Which one was, there's there's two
that I read. It was The History of the Americas,
and I can't remember the other one anyway, interesting interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, I feel like the ocean knows where to go
anyways though, So that's kind of like where the guiding
factor is. Yeah, basically stuff happens. We kind of move
along here. I feel like we're running. That time they
get to Tahiti, sorry, Tafi.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I go to take it reminds me sneakers. We gotta
do sneakers one of these times to first class tickets
to Tahiti.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes, Teffedi kind of kicks Maui's ass a little bit,
like they try to like go get the heart to
the island. Basically, sorry, they were trying to restore the
heart of to Teffeedi. But Tafeedi's like the lava monster,
but they don't know that Tefeedi's the lava monster. Really,
it's like this big lava monster kind of guard guiding

(39:26):
the island of Taffeedi. But it's actually like the island itself.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Traffeedi was the island and there's a lava monster guarding.
I don't remember there's a name for the lava monster
guarding Teffii. But it turns out Taffeedi is the lava monster.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yes, and the island is gone. But basically Teffiedi kind
of destroys Maui cracks as hook. Basically Maui kind of
realizes that like, oh wow, his cook gets hit again.
You know, he can't shape shift and his powers gone
and he would be useless again, and and kind of

(39:58):
like defeated, He's gonna leave do whatever, but Mawana is
still kind of determined to restore the heart. MAUIs scared,
so Maui leaves kind of like dark Knight of the
Soul whatever. So Malana decides like, Okay, she's gonna have
to do this on her own with the new sailing skills.
She has. And so this is where like the bravery
of Mahanna comes in, where basically where did she get

(40:19):
those sailing skills from Maui? Maui taught her.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
No, he didn't teach her anything.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yes, he taught her how to navigate and how and
then she.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Can't You can't tell me she did not just learn
how to do the movie. She did not just learn
how to do that instantly.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Okay, but and then Maui Maui learned how to do
it instantly, how to reach show.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Now he's a demi. God, she's not.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
She's the chosen one. She's the chosen one.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
But she's still mortal. They mentioned it's seventeen billion times throughout.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
The ram is with her and guiding her in her
stinging way for him.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
We see her like once.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Thanks watching the viewer. We do have a bit funny
place to leave it. No, it's just.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's it's it's literally, yes, she does is do a
couple of.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Time lapses of the sun going up and down or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It's the Race Skywalker treatment. Literally you look at Race Skywalker.
What did she do? She comes in there and walks
in there, waltson's in there, does everything perfectly the very
first time. Right, it's the same, it's exact same thing.
Look at Luke Skywalker. It took him three movies and
he still kind of didn't really know what he was doing.
It was a slow progression, but he had all this.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Her boat flips, she crashes multiple times, she gets.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Trapped, yes, but we never see that progression of her
getting better. What I would have liked to have seen
is okay, So the very first time she tries to
go saying she crashes out. Whatever, she goes home. The
second time she crashes out, maybe makes we need to
see very clearly she's making further before takes over the start.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Her boat crashes and then she washes up on shore
and then Grandma's like, oh, you were out sailing again
doing all this crazy stuff. She's like, oh, don't tell
my dad, and she's like, oh, I mean I'm your
dad's mom. I don't have to tell him anything, right,
which is kind of funny moment. So that does happen
multiple times. Her boat crashes, she ends up with Maui.
Maui does teach her things. Yeah, but would you like

(42:20):
to see now thirty minutes of her learning to say no?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
But I think that they could make it more clear
even in the time that they had in the scenes
that they had to me, she just goes from knowing
nothing to being perfect everything.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And where Maui's making fun of her, she's like, yeah,
that's not like where you're supposed to grab He's like,
you already tried that, and she's like messing up how
to sail, but Maui's like teaching her, and then it like.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
You know, but we go from we cut from him
teaching her and she still doesn't know anything to her
being perfect. There's there's nothing in between there. There needs
to be more, you need to show more of a progression.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I don't think she turns out to be perfect though,
because she at the end, the boat still crashes at
the end there she ends up on the island and
she's like, whoa hold on a second. Now I have
the heart, so I have to restore it. And Maui's defeated.
So they're both kind of defeated in a way. But
again it's her like courage that she's like, all right,
I'm still gonna have to restore this heart.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
She still sails it perfectly all of a sudden, like Okay,
I gotta do this now and then perfectly she know
she's doing all these maneuvers and everything that.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Like, I just disagree because I feel like like there's
like eight times in this movie where her boat crashes
or flips.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, it goes from crashing every goddamn time and her
looking like a fool to her being able to do
it perfectly. There's something in between crashing and doing all this.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Advancement and Maui teaching her. No it Maui literally teaches her.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
We don't see enough of it, That's my point. He
teaches her how to navigate, and now all she can
all she can. She all of a sudden, she can
do all these advanced maneuvers.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I would rewatch it, man, she she freaking she Maui
teaches her how to do things, Demi, God, no, he's
good at that stuff and and shows her and also
the ocean's guiding her. And the ancestors of her people,
I mean, who are born to sail and do this
stuff and stuff, because they were all ancestors who were voyagers.

(44:12):
So I I I don't really know, man. I think
it's kind of like in her dna, in her blood
and Maui. Maui's showing her the ropes. I don't know.
I would rewatch it if I were you, because she's
the fricking goat of sailing, and she ends up whatever
getting through, she escapes the island, she still crashes the boat.

(44:34):
She finds out the island of Tafiedi is gone, but
then notices that on the big lava Monster, the little
icon of the the heart of the sea or whatever
is there. So she decides like, oh, wait, I guess
I'm gonna have to go there to restore it. Maui's defeated,
his hook has broken, his dreams are shattered, kind of
a self sacrifice on his part so that Mawana can

(44:54):
save the day. Basically, the lava Monster goes wanna restores
the heart, turns into Traffeedi keep gonna, I keep wanting
to say Tahidi. Basically, life is restored, creation is there,
and so Trafeedi's like all angry at Maui. But then
she's like, you know what, thanks for you know whatever,

(45:17):
being the hero and and and and trying to right
your wrongs, and thanks Mawana for restoring the heart. So
Traffiedi restores a bunch of life goes back to slumber,
and the island takes really cool shot of her changing
shape into hills and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean
she like lays over and becomes the island. Pretty cool.
We want to sails back to her. People. All the

(45:38):
island is like fixed, and the coconuts are back and
the fish and so all the island and fish and
stuff are our back, and everyone's like, oh cool. Everything
that we wanted about the island giving us is back.
So why don't we hop in these old boats out?

(46:00):
It's like, wait a whole lot of seconds, but I
guess they've learned from Mawana that there is adventure out
there and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, the return into their roots. You know, they were
assailing people.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So yeah, like whatever. They were voyagers at one point,
so they're gonna they're gonna go out and do whatever.
So it is kind of funny to me because they
sing all these songs about like, yeah, the island gives
us happiness and peace and learns of this thing, and
now the island isn't giving us what we need, so
we need to figure out how to get either like
a new island, but we can't stay all the way.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, but now we have what we want, so we're
gonna leave.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, But I mean fair enough, right, Like
they kind of realize, like the roots are in voyaging
and stuff like that, but now I'd say, like the
roots are more ingratiated in other places. So I mean,
I mean, whatever it's, it doesn't doesn't matter to me.
Because this is based on a historical period of time. Sorry,
this is loosely based on a period of time three

(46:52):
thirty five hundred years ago, I think is kind of
what I was reading. Basically, it's called the Long Pause,
historic event. The Polynesian people took a thousand year break
before continuing to Eastern Polynesia. Historians don't really know the
reason why there was this kind of gap of a
thousand years in between. That not the exact reason. It's

(47:16):
heavily debated and discussed between historians. I'm not going to
give any theories or anything because I know nothing about it. Yeah,
well that's where this movie kind of takes place in
is this kind of weird gap called the Long Pause,
basically where where the Polynesian people stop sailing, which most
of the cast is of some Polynesian descent.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Or something that that that this movie does really show
the Polynesian culture quite well. It's a fun showcase of
some of their stories. And I mean the same way
we put you know, thor you know in you know,
the Marvel movies. You know, we bring some of that
Norse mythology, and I think seeing the Polynesian kind of
myths and history is really cool.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, from what from what I understand, they did. They
like they went to a bunch of places and met
with people of the culture. You know, the original design
for Maui was that he would be bald, just like
the rock and and you know, the people they were
showing it to are like, that's not who Maui is.
Maui has long hair and stuff like that, which the
animators society to go with what would be more accurate.

(48:20):
But they were kind of disappointed in a way because
now they have twice the hair to animate, and hair
is one of the hardest things to animate or or
do next to water.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
And then you add hair in water.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yes, exactly. So I feel like that's where a lot
of the budget is too, because that's such a hard
thing to make work. And they do a great job
and a lot of the times you watch an animated
film and the character gets their hair wet and the
next shot their hair is dry. They do a good
job of making it so like the hair stays wet
for like three shots. It's the one right, it's it's
it's cool. I think it works and it's awesome. Yes,

(48:53):
Maui is inspired by Polynesian myths, and some of his
tattoos are based on real stories. Now a lot of
the islands have different variations of Maui and what he
does in his story. So they tried, I think, to
average it out. Yeah, and I think they did a
great job. Again. Sorry again, I know nothing about Polynesian
culture or or history, and so as a complete outsider,

(49:18):
I think it's cool to learn some of some stories
that that people have of like oh this guy like
you know, he pulled up islands and did stuff like that,
or you know, last so the sun or put a
net around the sun. Again, variations there. So I don't know.
I think that's pretty cool. I can't really say how
accurate it is, because again, wasn't there. Don't know about it,

(49:39):
but I do think really cool how it's like kind
of educating people or trying to like show some of
the variations of what of what Maui is or could be, right,
you know, muana means ocean in some like Polynesian languages
and stuff like that. Lin Noel Miranda worked on this,
you know, wrote some songs like Welcome and stuff during

(50:01):
his Hamilton run while he was still like performing and
doing whatever. Pretty cool guy. You wanna know what a
scrapped idea was?

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Okay, So there was an original idea for this movie.
And basically what it was is Muwana was like a
teenager and I think it was a he actually like
he was going to be time travel backwards. He was
gonna be like a millennial kid and basically be sent
back in time to learn about his ancestors. And he

(50:35):
had like a phone and all that stuff and modern technology.
You basically have to learn about his ancestors and stuff
like that and like time travel and do that's interesting?
Very interesting? Yeah? Like I wasn't sure. I didn't read
too much like into it. But that was just like
an early draft, right. Another early draft was like Maui
would be like the main character of the story and
basically we would we would learn about Maui and how

(51:00):
great he was, and he would go over some of
his flaws and stuff like that kind of be in
the storyteller. Then they played that a little bit where
Mwana would come and she would sing the You're Welcome
song to Maui and be like, look at all these
great things you did in the early draft of the script.
But then they kind of realized, like, no, I think
we kind of like Maui being like overconfident at first

(51:20):
and being like, no, You're welcome, like and I think
I like that too, And you know, they give the
rock a song, and that's pretty cool. You know. Another
thing is too right. They could have made Dwayne Johnson
sang thirty songs in this film, you know, but they didn't.
They kept it that one and let's and I think
I think they did that on purpose. It's like, you know,

(51:41):
we'll give Dwayne Johnson one song. Okay, we can't put
that much auto too on. He's so sad. No, I
don't know. I think You're Welcome is my favorite song,
and it's whole film too.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's my I don't know if it's my favorite. I
really like the opening song all Go Yeah and the
one where she has like the flashback of the Ancestors Sailing.
I really like that one as well.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Oh yeah yeah, well oh way way one yeah yea, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah I got that. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's it too.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Of what I have for facts. Yeah, different kind of
variations and stuff. I like Dwyane Johnson is Mallie.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I think he does play it well.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Again, Hey, hey, good character. Hey, I don't like Okay, sorry,
I don't dislike this. That's my biggest questions, Like where
did the pig go?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Like, yeah, you know, I thought that was that one
was odd to like the very first scene after she
leaves and we find out that hey hey is with her,
you expect the pig to be there as well.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Well. They make the pig at the start of the
movie the main kind of sidekick. She's always like picking
up the pig doing stuff. Hey Hey, it's just kind
of like there in the background doing dumb chicken stuff.
But she's always she's always with the pig. And and Hey,
he has the intelligence of Finnegan hanging on the window.
He's so funny. He's scratching on the door and there's

(53:11):
like a little place on the glass. There's like two
glass doors and and like there's a curtain blocking it,
right so we can see his shadow of his paws
climb at the door. But then when we don't let
him in for a long period of time, he'll come
to the open part of the window and he'll peek
his head and zee if we're inside over there. It's
just really funny anyways. Yeah, like they kind of set

(53:36):
the pig up to be like the main sidekick, and
and then at the end, like the pig is sailing
with Muana and stuff like that, and and the chickens
are too. Like again, maybe it's like a reason for
Mauana to go back, but no, it's not, because like
her whole family is there and her dad is like

(53:58):
super hyped up at like she's back and everything's restored.
That's cool. Again, I feel like I feel like there's
some things that get like a little like misconstruted. I mean,
the main part of the story is resolved and stuff
like that, but like again, her parents don't want to
sail or do anything like that. But then all of
a sudden, her mom just had to know where, like
helps her pack her bag, and I mean it's a

(54:18):
nice moment where her mom's like okay with it, but
her dad doesn't want her to go or do anything
like that, and her dad's gonna like burn the boats
and stuff like that. Yeah, like her dad's on her
way to actively destroy the whole boat thing. And then
their mom died. His mom dies and Gramma dies and
then yeah, Maana just kind of leaves and comes back
and everyone's just super happy that she's back and everything's restored. Yeah,

(54:41):
and and then like like for just for no reason,
they're just like not angry anymore. I mean maybe it's like.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I mean I can kind of see why they wouldn't
be angry exactly, because she's just disappeared. They don't know
where she went. I guess they'd probably figure it out.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
But there's like, yeah, we're so happy your back and
you did that, like I don't ever do that again. Yeah. Yeah,
Like it's just like they don't do that. They're like
oh yeah, like thanks, like and then like she doesn't
really explain anything like that, big hug, and then they
just like leave, And I mean maybe it shows a
journey of like the whole island thing too, where they're
like kind of like realizing like they have nothing to

(55:16):
be afraid of because they can keep traveling and exploring,
Like why not travel and explore while having a base
of operations. Interesting, But they do say they remember where
the island is so that they can return and do whatever.
But they also try and make islands and new places.
So again that's pretty cool, Like I think. I think
it is a nice little moment where like everyone's just
so down to travel and do that stuff. I gotta

(55:38):
dig that, Like, it's cool. And again it's loosely based
on this period of time where where things weren't going on,
but the real reason for that is still debated between
historians anyways, And I guess if this is like the
real historic thing the time of MAUI would have and

(56:00):
way before that.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
It's all loose like you say, it's all loosely based
on right history, So right.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I think that's cool. Animation of water love that. I
really love the water.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
The water is the ocean, The water in this is phenomenal.
Like the way they animated the light and just the
qualities of it is.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah. I absolutely love the scenes where they're like under
the water and you can see the water above and
the fish in it. But I really love at the
start of the movie where the ocean opens up to.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
That one, that one really showcases it and it's it's
really good. It's really really good.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
They make the ocean a character, and I think that's
like a really cool, awesome touch, really cool. And I
think if the ocean is such a huge part of
of like the character of Mawana and even the culture
as a whole. Right again, I can't speak too much
on that because I don't know, but they do make
the ocean like a big character, and I think that's
I think that's a really cool.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It's more of a hero in the story than Maana is.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Wana is the hero if it wasn't for the ocean,
and Malana wouldn't have made it anywhere as far as
she did. So the ocean's the really she worked with.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
The ocean, right And that's kind of why the people
are voyagers too, because they use the ocean.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
We don't need to get back into this, shall we?
Shall we finish this up?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yes? Yeah, I mean that's kind of it. The kids really,
my cousins, They really showed me, like you know what
I mean, if I just turned down my intelligence, I
can enjoy anything. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I don't think. I don't think that. I don't think
you have to turn it down too much.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, like I said, me and my three year old
cousin just like have all the same interest Like I
like dinosaurs, I like trains, and yeah, I dig the
rock too, So like I mean, we're kindred spirits in
a way. I like, like, yeah, no, I don't know.
I just think like them enjoying it and really like
loving the movie and just like like the fact that

(57:52):
they were so happy that the lights were off because
it was like a movie theater. Just like it makes
you realize, like, hey, welsome moment, you know, it hits,
It hits exactly where it needs to hits for those demographics.
And I think like sometimes we get a little bit.
It's very easy to not like something because oh I
spent twenty dollars on this, so now I have like
a super high opinion on it. But sometimes when you

(58:12):
realize like exactly who it was made for and they
love it too, it's like, hey, maybe I can be
a little less critical sometimes and you know, enjoy it
for what it is, and I enjoy it for what
it is, and I am critical of some things, so
you know, that's what we do here. We find a
balance of both. That's kind of what we've set out

(58:33):
to do. Hey, is like like mystery Man, you have
your reasons for enjoying it when we look at the
technical elements.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Fantastic movie. I don't know what you're talking.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Aboutybe that film should have been burned with blockbusters, But
you know whatever, I think that's that's kind.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Of what I rate and get out of here. Yeah, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yeah, you know it. You know, Oh my god, you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Despise Molana's character and and so that makes it quite
a low rating for me, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
And again is I have a sneaking suspicion he wants
to be letting it.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I'm just letting him burn energy. Really put a hamster
on a hamster. So yeah, that lowers my rating. But
some of those technical elements, like with the water and
the animation stuff bring it back up a little bit.
Uh And like you said, with it hitting it for
the target demographic, it it lands, so that brings it

(59:44):
up a little bit as well. And that that gives
me a total of a six point five.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
That's exactly what I thought you're gonna write. It literally
as I was driving over. But he's gonna give a
six and a half, like, like, not even joking. I
genuinely knew that, Like I just knew that if.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
It was if it wasn't for for like the technical
elements and the like it hitting the target demographic, it'd
be like a five or a four and a half.
But six and a half, I haven't said.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Over her, I was like, he's gonna give it a six? Yeah, yeah, no,
I kind of I need that numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And you're gonna go and give it like a nine
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, no, okay, again, I had a good time. I
do think this is a nice movie. I watched it
when it came out, you know, and I do enjoy it,
and I think it was very special thing yesterday watching
it with my family and just seeing like, hey, there's
these kids that really really enjoy it. And again, we

(01:00:37):
talk a lot of the time about audience enjoyment and
how that factors into reviews, and some people argue maybe
it shouldn't because it should be based on quality and
story structure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
But amob is for enjoyment or entertainment, so that's why movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Are created for people to have a good time and
watch and connect with it, right. And I think when
you have a bunch of people in front of you
watching and connecting and love something, then it makes it
way easier to enjoy something because you know, like, even
if you're not connecting to it, Wow, you can appreciate that,
like it's having a profound effect on others. And I
think it did that for me, right And and I

(01:01:12):
do have problems again, Like I don't think I don't
think Mwana is as solid as she could be. I
don't think like Maui, especially as a character, is as
resolved as he like you know what I mean. I
feel like his things kind of like intersect a little bit.
I mean, yeah, for me, it's probably like a seven
and a half or an eighth. I'm gonna give it
an eight. I'm gonna give an eight out of ten.

(01:01:34):
The songs are great, it does exactly what it needs
to do, and it was enjoyable to watch, and it
was special to me, And it's a memory I'm gonna
have for the rest of my life too, especially just
like my cousin's clapping and cheering, I'm like, that's very
special for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
So that's good, ye And that's that's why we that's
why we do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
That's well, that's why movies are made. It's why we
watch movies. And I think it's a great thing. So yeah, well,
thank you guys for watching the episode of you and
I think that was a very awesome episode, so a
good job. I think we had some good discussions. I
think we had some disagreements that we're gonna have to

(01:02:12):
fist fight over and I'll see, yeah, yeah, how about this.
We just get an animal sidekick too, yips on making.
I'll take sure he's got that. I'll take an extra
leg any day. Say I have a leg up on

(01:02:34):
the competition. Anyways, thank you guys for watching the viewing him.
We do have an Instagram at the viewing room Underscore
and a Patreon at different A Media. So thank you
guys for watching, and we hope you have a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Checko Coliseum presents two lots of credit mans coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yeah, that one's at the end of me. That was
a little ways away

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
But but hey, you guys had a fantastic day.

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