The Viewing Room Ep 39 - Thunderbolts - Review and Analysis - The Viewing Room

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
And now time for the viewing Room with Adam and Eton.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to the viewing Room where we talk about films
new and old, local and global. Today we're doing a
little bit of a live stream.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, we're live because we decided to plan it and
not totally not because we did didn't get a episode
felt in time. That's totally not what happened here. Because
we plan ahead.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
We saw Thunderbolts spoiler Thunderbolts on Friday, and we chose
to wait until Sunday to record, and then that didn't work,
and then Monday didn't work, and we were like, oh,
hold on a second, what if we just went live?
And so we're doing it live. We've been teasing it
for a while. We are now finally we're ready to go,

(01:01):
and this is going to be a little bit of
a interesting stream per se.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, we actually have to be on our a game
because I can't cut things out afterwards, So I've got
to think.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
About what we say.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's my greatest weakness. That's the one thing in twenty
years of life I haven't learned.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, Marble.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Studio Thunderbolts released on May second. Okay, I had a
budget of one hundred and eighty million dollars, came on Friday,
like Open Thursday came out Friday, whatever. Opening weekend. It's
grossed one hundred and sixty two million dollars first couple
of days. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's it's concerned weekend. That's pretty good, you know, it's
it's on track to break even at least it's gonna
make more. It's yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So this is good. This is the first Marvel movie
in a while that I've actually left the theater being like, hey,
I kind of want to see a sequel to that
movie or one of our characters again. Adam takes some
more cynical approach to life, and uh no, I just
actually can see when something is shit, right.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
On that note, uh, this review will have spoilers, yes, Okay,
so if you haven't seen Thunderbolts, you warned. I mean,
people aren't as serious as Marvel spoilers as they once were.
But I'm like, you know, I don't like spoiling things.
I don't like anything spoiled. I avoid social media when
I haven't seen a movie for a while, you know what,
you know what I mean? It sucks so very sorry. Uh,

(02:32):
you should probably go watch it if you're really into that,
but like also, I mean, if you're not that into
it and Marvel hasn't been like the thing for you lately,
then hey, maybe maybe this is a perfect time to
listen to our review of Marvel Studios Thunderbolts Asterisk, which
we'll get into in a bit here.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, that asterisk annoys me.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It annoys you. Okay, now we're gonna get into that
right now. Why does that annoy you?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
They're not the Avengers. Nothing will ever replace the Avengers.
I don't care what you say. They will not replace
the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
They're they're not the Avengers, the new Avengers.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, and that's the same thing the whole world rejects.
I don't care. They're not the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, there's an asterisk in the title. I thought the
asterix is going to be like something like, oh, like
there's five odds in the asterisks, there's five of them
in the team or something. They did a top down
shot in an elevator and I was like, that's the asterix,
it must be. But then no, the asterix is just
like a name change. So basically they unveiled. It's no
longer called the Thunderbolts. It's called the New Avengers. Okay,

(03:31):
so the movie is the New Avengers.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I mean Thunderbolts didn't really make much sense either because
like none of them were in the Thunderbolts in the
comics from what I've read, or like they weren't the
layers of them, or I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
M Well, anyways, they are the New Avengers.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Now, no, they're not.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's a huge point in the movie, which we'll get into, Okay,
that the world rejects them as the Avengers, but there's
still trying to be the Avengers, and you're falling right
into the trap where you're like, they're not the Avengers. Well, perfect,
they even showed that in the movie.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, good, they're not the Avengers. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
They're my Avengers. Well then that's that's fine. I can't
now you're driving, notebook. See this is what we cut
out of the episode. This is what we cut out
of the episode.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm just not even gonna do the episode anymore.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, perfect, Now I just get to rant for an
hour straight. That makes sure it's good. I think we're
probably fine. Hair I'll pull it off on my phone.
Let's keep this going.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
We're gonna have digital mustaches or something.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I don't think Garry would be able to figure out
how to do that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, no, but the MIC's being needed is one thing
I guess. Okay, yeah, we're good.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
We're MIC's are sounds good? Yeah, so exciting.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Okay, let me read a synopsis of The Thunderbolts. Ensnared
in a death trap, an unconventional team of anti heroes
Elena Blova, Lucky Barnes, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster, and John
Walker embarks on a mission that forces them to confront
the darkest corners of their past.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Task Master shall henceforth be known as task Manager.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, task Master is.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Dead, short lifespan in that one.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, I mean that's obviously the spoilers that I was
talking about cast. Okay, we got Florence Pugh. Okay, we
have Sebastian Stan, David Harbor, more and more. But I
mean with these large ensemble casts, I kind of just
tend to do two or three big ones and then like.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know whatever. Lewis Pullman as well, Yes, he plays Bob.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
He's kind of a bit of a rising star.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, originally was supposed to be Steven Young. Due to
scheduling conflicts of other shows, he had to withdraw himself
from the project. But yeah, there's.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Bob aka Century Void, whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
To call him.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
This is the thing I learned.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
So you know how Lewis Pullman played Bob in Popgun,
topcoun Maverick. Really yeah, and so he didn't want to
play Bob in uh The Thunderbolts as well.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
He's he does Bob.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, he actually wanted them to change it to his
full name to Rob, like change it to Robert instead
of being Bob.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well that's why his name is I never I know.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
It is just an interesting thing, uh.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Directed by Jake Shrekir. He did a few like documentaries
about like it's not like is it Benny Blanco the
guy who's dating in the Gomez.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I don't follow celebrity dating. He did a couple one
of those.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
He did like a Robot film but like in twenty twelve,
but like he doesn't have as big as like a
maybe resume you'd expect like.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
To get a man. Yeah, yeah, so very interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It was a good film in my opinion. But well, okay,
well let's get into an outline.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
We'll talk about some things.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Opening shot kind of here, like Florence Pugh talking she's
uh the sister of a black widow, and she jumps
off the building and she's doing like a COVID special obsermission.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
She's probably the first we think she's just mean suicide.
Like its pretty close, yeahh like, because she's her. She's
talking about how like she's unfulfilled and depressed and drinks
too much and doesn't like her work, and and then
she just jumps jump off the like oh okay, all right,
yeah you're.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Like, wow, nine to five will do that, Uh I
will And anyways, so she jumps off the building. Fun fact,
that was Florence Pugh, not a stunt double. In fact,
Marvel wasn't gonna let her do it, but she bagged
and begged, and then she said that she was being
a Karen and she started emailing Kevin five. He's saying like, hey,
if you don't let me do this, like, I'm gonna
freak cap and c. And because she said, like, oh,

(07:59):
think of how good it's going to be the press tour,
especially if we went again in this world record for
doing it and they did and yeah, so she did
it herself. Then she slept for like three hours afterwards
because of the adrenaline crash. Yeah, she actually jumped off
the second highest building in the world, the Mederca eighteen
building in Malaysia, which is two thousand, two and twenty
seven feet tall.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, jumped off so cool.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
That sounds like fun. Can I do that?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeh sure, I guess soever, let's do it. Let's make
you a will first, maybe, but yeah, very interesting. I wouldn't.
I don't think i'd fight to do that. I I mean,
if I was paid enough, probably, like yeah, like if
I saw the paycheck and they.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Were like yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
But if you're an adrenaline junkie, then you know.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I'm not an adrenaline junk I'm more of like, oh hey, look,
let's see cheetos and sit in the basement junkie. I'm
one of those junkies. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
So she does this mission. We realized she's working with
I guess a Cia lady. I forget her name.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's something something that's all Rosita. I don't know de
Risotto here. I'm just gonna look.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
At Yeah, she's part of this team. She does go
for missions. She's very good at what she does, and uh,
she's just not happy. She's not fulfilled, we said in
the beginning, and obviously she misses her sister and she
just wants to have something in her life because she
just feels empty, right, So.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
She goes to her dada, the Red Guardian.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
And then it went away.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Anyway, so she goes to her dad and a dad's like, oh,
but superhero is so good.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
You ought to be a superhero.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Because it's David Harbor in his Russian accent, and basically
he's like, listen, like maybe it's time for you to
like find a family and do the thing and be
a real hero, a part of a team, because mercenary
work isn't fulfilled, but like if you could actually be
a hero for your country, then like, hey, Valentina.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Anyways, so she's working for Valentina and Valentina sends her
on another mission and basically she has to go to
this vault that's in the middle of nowhere because Valentina
is getting investigated by the government into some of the
shady things she's been doing on her side of the office,
and uh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
So this is one of my first problems with it.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Okay, So she's like, I'm gonna be robbed, so I'm
gonna tell you who it is, and you're supposed to
follow them to this location and you want it, you
gotta you gotta find out what they're gonna steal. But
you can't kill them or but then kill them, but
you have to find out what they're stealing first. And
my problem with that is if you know, like, who's

(10:52):
robbing you and when?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, she's said that she said to do recon because
that there's someone that the government is sending there to
go through her stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, and so she knows who and when.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So she no, not when necessarily so she did, so
Florence like pew, Yolena get outside waiting for her.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't know that just it doesn't it doesn't make
sense to me. It's a little sketchy. It makes sense
to me. Well, it's just one of those things that
happened because it had to.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, she said someone from the government. Also, she's the
one who sent ghosts there, I know, right, so of
course she knows.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, but my point is, does Yolena And I think
that's a little bit suspicious that she knows exactly when
and where she's getting robbed.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, no, because because the government can say, oh, yeah,
we're sending someone to take a look at this. When
Valentina knows Valentino, Valentina whatever, she knows that the government
must be sending someone, although she's she's the one sending
that person spoil alert. So it's like she can kind
of be like, hey, I know the government's going to
be sending someone, can you go out and do recon?
And sure enough it's like, oh, hey, someone is coming,

(11:55):
So I don't I don't see really a problem with
that because a she's the one like pulling the straight
and be Leanna is just looking for work, and so
it's just like, yeah, but on the off chance that
someone did go you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But also has more of a survival instinct than that
I would hope because like building in the first five seconds. Yeah,
but she had a parachute, right, But like, does that
not seem a little bit fishy if like if somebody
if I said to you, hey, I'm going to be
robbed tomorrow by by someone, That's.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Not what she said, though, If I said if I
said Adam Listen, I got into some trouble with the government.
I have a feeling they're going to be searching my
house in two hours. Okay, can you get there and
destroy my files?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
But that's what she said.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You wouldn't you would. She didn't say that that what
you to replicate that, It would be they're going to
be searching my house in two hours. Can you go
there see what they're searching for and then kill them?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
She said. She said that someone was someone was coming
to the vault from the like from the government.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, and she wanted they moved to find out what
they were looking for and then kill them. Well, like
I remember that was the whole thing, is like I
was supposed to ki you. No, I'm supposed to kill you. No,
I'm supposed to kill It's like you know that Spider
Man me where they're all pointing.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
At each other. Again.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
If I if I, if I knew that people.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Like like if.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You knew that I was in trouble with law enforcement,
and I was like, Adam, they're going to go through
my computer, Like, oh my god, they are going to
go through my computer. Can you do something? You'd be
like sure, all right, and then you go to my
house and you'd see like, oh hey, when they go,
I'd see that's like this a simple I don't know,
it just it seems a little off to me. To me,
it works. To me, it works. I'm not I'm not

(13:32):
going to be a stickler for that. There's other things
that'll nitpick, but that that seems like I'm willing to
believe it. So if they go to this vault, super
secret vault that's like underground on the top of a hill,
but enough late and it's just like there at the
top of this mega mountain whatever, just no vehicle there,

(13:52):
any anything.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Got dropped by a parachute.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
She seems to like perish me.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
She glided from Malaysia to the middle of Nevada. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a tall.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
So so she finds out that ghost is kind of
going in breaking into the vault, so she heads in.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
And then while they're there, all of a sudden, ass
Master arrives.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Us Agent aka like the Old Captain America, like the
new Old Captain America. Did you see like the Captain
America and the Winter Soldier or whatever, like the TV
show Falcon in the Winter Soldier. Okay, so this John
Walker dude becomes Captain America because even though Steve Rodgers
gives the shield to Sam Wilson, the government's like, that's

(14:48):
not how that works. So they take the shield and
they give it to John Walker, who's won like three
piece medals or whatever, and uh, and then John Walker
becomes it. But then John Walker kills someone in the
middle of a street who's like surrendering and so, and they
like take the shield away basically, and then he's like
stripped of his you know whatever, his.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Valor and that in that sense.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, Yeah, anyway, so John Walker's there and they're all
supposed to kill each other because basically Valentina like was like.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Hey, he's cleaning shop.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, she's cleaning shop. So they find out it's an incinerator.
They have to start working together and not kill each
other because hey, like this is a setup.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
They meet Bob, who's like hiding in a shipping crate. Basically,
Bob is a test subject but he doesn't know it yet.
And Bob is is a little peculiar. He's a little
schizophrenic almost. He's had a lot of issues in terms
of mental health, and he's addicted to drugs or or
was addicted to drugs, and so he's going through it,
but he's just Bob.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
He's there, he's there.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, and so they break out. Eventually task masters shot
and killed. Ye.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
What is another one of my problems? Who the fuck
puts the power source inside the room? Yeah, like the
room that's about to be incinerated? Why why do I
feel like that would cause an explosion of some sort
on a much larger scale?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, it's an interesting point.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like, yeah, it's an interesting point. Like it just seems
like one of those things where they do it because
it has to happen, they need.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
They're trying to destroy all the evidence, so like that
part makes sense.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well no, but I just mean that's one of those
things where like, Okay, so they got themselves into the situation.
The writers like, ah shit, we got them into this situation.
How are we going to get them out?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Put the power source inside the room? You know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
It's just one of those things that they did because
they had to. It just it feels like it's a
lack of.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Planning, right, Yeah, Like I'm sure there's other ways to
do it too, because.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Obviously they absolutely could have.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Obviously there's like has to be fuel lines like the
like propane fuel the fires, so like they could have
just started destroying the propane lines and the ceiling and
they have more of a natural gas problem if.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, well, that's the thing is that it just feels
like it's a lack of a lack of thought and plany,
like they almost rip themselves into a hole there. Yeah,
like I.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Would say that's more of a writing yourself into a
hole than a than a Yolena waiting for someone at
the top of the hill. I'm agreeing with you.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I'm green with you, actively agree.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
With Obviously, Red Guardian's not there. He has a limo
service now. Because he's talking about his work and how
he's fulfilled, we see a little bit of his life
in his past as a hero for his country, being
the Red Guardian, which has used real Soviet footage, like
like historical footage.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
With him just pasting it pasted in it so pretty cool.
That's like when they do.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
That, and it was some sort of parade eye I
don't know what parade it necessarily was, but yeah, that
was there. And so basically during his time in the limo,
he actually overhears Valentina who he gave a ride. He
gave a ride with his limo service to a government A. Yeah,

(18:03):
very very interesting plot hole there, very very interesting. Not
even just a plot hole, like Okay.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's just laziness obviously.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah. Again, it's like a lack of thought and planning
and understanding of the character and Volentina. I like, I
don't like her.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
She's she's a smart character.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, and that does not fit with her character to
just talk about all this highly secret government stuff in
the metal of a random limo that you just hired
without vetting anybody. Like that's like, come on, guys.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Not only that it happens to be the Red Guardian, yeah,
like come on, yeah, very interesting. I uh yeah, that
one's a little rough for sure, but it does make
for a funny moment where he's like, he speeds, he
speeds off to the middle of the desert with his
memo to go for them.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Basically, I wouldn't say he speeds, yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
He goes forty five.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah. So basically, back at the vault, the Thunderbolts are
working together, they're having heyday, everything's going great, but when
they touch Bob, they keeps seeing like nightmares kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, well, their own little rooms of sadness.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, little rooms of sadness.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, that's a good way of putting that.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I was gonna make a joke, but like that's just
a solid way of putting it. Yeah. So basically, they
escape the vault by doing some crazy things.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
They climb an elevator shaft, like back to back. That's
a great line. It's like, so none of us have superpowers,
we all just shoot and.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah yeah, no, no one can fly, right, So they
all go up, they climb the elevator shaft. They eventually
get out, but the government is there because they realize like, hey,
they escaped and we need to like basically kill these
guys before like the other government finds out because like
hey this secret and could get Valentina mpeached. So like,
oh well, so obviously Strike Force fails. Basically, we find

(20:07):
out Bob is like a superheroan when he gets shot
and he turns into Century and because he survived this
government testing and so he's like Superman.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Basically he kicks Superman with us with a lot of
mental problems.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, let's get the fight next Superman. Anyway, so the
rest of the team escapes and the thunderbolts. They get
picked up by Red Guardian, but then the government starts
chasing them and the Limos shooting at them. But then
Bucky comes. We see the Winter Soldier. He blows up
some government things. He takes them in and he's like, okay,
like you guys are gonna have to stand trial against Valentina.

(20:40):
But then all of a sudden, they're like, no, no,
this Bob guy, he's actually like turned into like a
mega hero whatever. We have to go save Bob and
and and Bucky's like, but like, no, here's Bob.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
You're trying to explain who Bob is.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
And then basically they find out that Valentina has Bob
and then she's like training him to be a superhero basically.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like oh, okay, I guess they take this seriously now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, And so they go symble a team they're gonna
go confront Valentina. But Valentina is like basically mind controlled
Bob into being like her her little like slave or whatever,
like like superhero slave.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
No mind control, just manipulated.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I mean, he's got a lot of problems and a
lot of I guess you would say, almost trauma in
a way you know where Yeah, yeah exactly, not in
a way, yeah, a kind of he has and he
has like a need for for like validation, fulfillment, like
to yeah, and so all she does is just stroke

(21:43):
his ego whole bunch. Yeah, essentially, yeah, essentially, so a
lot of stroking. Later, he's basically now.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
He's century and and he's good to go. Basically he's
a little superpower. And the Thunderbolts confront him, but then
Valentina six Bob on him. He's like, guy, I don't
really want to hurt you, but like if you don't
leave her and I'm gonna hurt you. They're like, well,
we can't do that, like like Valentina needs to go in,
but he's like, well we can't turn Valentina in. She's

(22:12):
like my my sugar mama now, and so he kicks
their ass because he's Superman doesn't kill them, and kicks
their ass. Valentina like uses to kill switch on him,
but like all of a sudden, Bob's like, you know what,
I don't need anyone because I'm literally Superman now. And
I keep saying Superman because that's just closest Superman.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Uh. And so the Thunderbolts leave, their butts were kicked.
They've kind of like they're no longer like a team anymore,
like because they're like they don't really have much, and
so they they they Bob turns into the void basically,
and he starts sending people to the Shadow Realm when
he like you know, like like love the Nightmare rooms
we were talking about, and basically like he sends them

(22:58):
to the shadow realms where they confront their ultraumatic past
and stuff like that. And so basically people are just
like disappearing and going bye bye and like.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
The world it's Infinity all over again.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, essentially. And so and so Yolena decides to go
into the void because she's like, hey, maybe I can
get to Bob this way. So she sees a traumatic
past of hers where she like you know, lurned kid
into the woods to be like assassinated basically when she
was working with.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Like the Russian Red Room or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And then is it Russian?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Is it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Anyways, so she goes, she goes through, she eventually breaks
through to Bob. She goes and sees Bob in like
this quiet room maybe and it's like supposed to be
like a calm room for him, and he's like, oh yeah,
like I've been having all these problems and he can't
control it because he's basically like like two sides to him,
essentially his good days and bad days. And so all
the other Thunderbolts come through as well, and they all

(23:53):
like work together to get Bob out, and then they
grew pug and they fight.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
They defeat the evil guy with a group hug. Yay
the power of friendship.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, they basically fight Evil Void with a cool little
fight scene, but essentially they're just like, hey, Bob, like
something to.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Have a good day.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Bob's like, yeah, must gets funny. Is cured And I'm
not a medical professional, but I don't think.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's how that one works.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But but yeah, essentially group hug whatever, Bob's free. People
return from the void, and I guess the world is
safe again, and uh and Bob still has powers, but
like instead of being arrested or anything like like that,
like Bob's just free to go. So there's that whatever.

(24:45):
It was just funny to me because like when when
Harrison Ford turned into the Red Hulk in the previous movie,
as a president of the United States. We already know
the president of the United States can't be arrested. Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
He he destroys a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
No one dies, no one is sent to an interdimensional
shadow realm. Okay, he destroys some stuff, then he turns
you know whatever. It's look some property damage. Okay, he
gets arrested and put in the wrath. Okay, you can
turn into the Hulk. Okay, boohoo.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
There's like three of those.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
We know what's gonna happen. There's this guy who has
invincible godlike Superman powers who sneezes, turning schizophrenic, sending people
to the void where they confront their defense the darkest
traumatic memories. They free him and then they say, so, uh,
you want a cappuccino or what like you want to
like and he's an adventure now what yeah what? And

(25:41):
they're like, listen, we can't we can't put Bob away
because because he'll turn evil again. Really yeah, we already
showcase that he sneezed once and almost like you lost control.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's that's too fragile, Like there's something that you have
to explore, something a better option. But he's like, Oh,
don't worry, Like I just won't use my powers, and
like I just won't use my powers and then I
won't activate that side of me. But I'm like, obviously
his trauma isn't activated by his powers.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, and also what happens if you're you know, something
happens and you just instinctively use them right to save
yourself or someone else, right and use control? Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah right.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
But it's like obviously he had those problems before he
took super Serum, obviously because he was like years of
trauma and abuse and habitual drug abuse and abuse even
and then he's like he's like, oh, but but don't worry, guys,

(26:43):
I won't lose control of this time. It's like it's like,
you know.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
What I mean, trust them.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's it's not even that, it's just like you know,
you know what I mean. It's just like it's it sucks.
It sucks. It's like, yeah, you obviously you feel for
the characters so bad. But it's like how can how
can you no like it's not going to be an
issue when like the obviously he didn't get schizophrenia from
becoming a superhero, if anything had just heightened the effects

(27:09):
of it.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And so it's like.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
They they basically were like, oh, hey, his schizophrenia is
cured now because he's just not going to be a superhero.
But it's like, that's just not how that works, like
unless unless it did something to his brain where it
fixed like a chemical imbalance or whatever. But I don't
know enough about that process.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I don't know enough about fictional.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Superhero scenes schizophrenia. Yeah, so I'm gonna leave it to
Neil deGrasse Tyson on this.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
One about him that he analyzes movies and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's so fun.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, this is a thirty six
MCU film. You figure to throw that one in there.
It's one of the better ones as of late, in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Emphasis on as of late.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
We see a end credit scene, we go through and uh,
it's about a year later, Oh I should I should
end the movie. Actually, First, basically, Valentina comes and like hey, guys, like, whoo,
good for you. You did exactly what you needed to do
and you stop sentry and and hey Bob, and Bob

(28:21):
just doesn't do anything about that at all. But Valentine
is like, hey, by the way, I've decided to assemble.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
The New Avengers.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
And then Elne is like, well, by the way, we
own you now, so don't try anything stupid.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And the New Avengers are there, are unveiled.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
That these guys are going to be the next kind
of super team living in an Avengers tower and very interesting.
The world kind of rejects them. The world's like, no,
these guys aren't tire Avengers, like.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And I agree and completely.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
We find out Sam Wilson's in a bit of a
legal battle because of the name and stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Like that, and like apparently he put together his own
team too.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, so they've got some Avengers kind of rocking around, right.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Anyways, so.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Bucky's stuck in the middle between the two teams. Anyways,
we have an end credit scene where we see the
Fantastic Four for the first time and I see the
Fantastic Four, I mean the Fantastic four jet right, but
you know they're coming to Earth basically and making contact
for the first time. So who knows what's gonna happen. Yeah,

(29:28):
there we are. That's Sunderbolts. That's a little plot.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I should say. The Russell Brothers directed the end credit scene. Yeah,
I heard that that it was a different it was
a different director than than the rest of the movie,
and it was shot like two months ago or something
like that, like it was way way way laterally.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Interesting, that's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, well that's a little exciting, and it's gonna be
it's gonna be there. And the real title now is
obviously the New Avengers. Uh yeah, no it's not.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, an unveiled that is disgraceful and sacrilegious heresy.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Whoa explain explain? Why explain why.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
They're not the Avengers. I don't care what anybody says.
They're not the Avengers and they never will be the Avengers.
I don't care if they're the New Avengers or what.
They're not the Avengers. They have nothing to do with
the Avengers. You should not, you shouldn't. Just it's like
when they remake movies to try and you know, like
you know, with all the Disney live action remakes, what
are they doing with the live action remake. They're not

(30:31):
trying to make a movie make that movie remade. Well
they are, but they're not doing it for the sake
of making a remake. They're doing it for the sake
of capitalizing on a classic that they know everybody already
knows and is going to go see. They're not doing
it to try and create a good story. And it's

(30:55):
the same thing with this. They're trying to capitalize on
the Avengers name.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I got a text.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm supposed to be at work right now.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm supposed to be at work. I feel so bad.
I'm supposed to be at work right now.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
You have to go.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, I'm like literally working right now. We're back in
different clothes because it's a different day. I went to work. Yeah,
sorry about that. But we're here now, and I check
my schedule. I don't work today.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
That would be funny.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I would just that they're determined to make sure people
don't hear what I have to say about thunderbolts.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
No, and maybe it's for the better. Actually, you have
your pizza, your cheese pizza from Dominoes.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
We love Dominoes.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
My favorite pizza in the city is TJ's. I love
TJ's pizza. I love the style. I don't love the
rice very much, so I very rarely ever have it.
Domino's pizza is so consistently good. You always have a
good experience. Experience the prices are good far so they
always they always have coupons. Their their whole website is

(32:16):
a giant coupon.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah really, it just like I can get a cheesy.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Bread and and a pizza and I can pick it
up right right here, right fifteen minutes, I pick it
up twenty two bucks, being a bout a boom And
you know what, for twenty two bucks that like any
other pizza place, I'm getting half as much stuff, you
know what I mean, It's good value.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It tastes great in the day. Sauce And the other
thing I love about Domino's when they when you say
extra sauce, they give you extra sauce.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I've never had a negative experience with Dominoes. I mean
last night I had Dominoes and and it took a
long time to get to my house. But you know
what we said earlier, you order during peak time. Sometimes
that happens, you know, forty five minutes when you're hungry,
feels like a long time.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
But like there's of great veggie Tails song. I know,
yeah to me, yeah that's a great song.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Anyways, Donald's pizza great, fantastic, one of the best.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
As much as that's so funny. It's like it's not
as funny anymore because he's not.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
As much of a joke.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, everyone's just.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
The impression is great.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I't whoa. We just went from pizza to politics.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I had a great political discussion with with Gary and Wendy.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
It was terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I freaking politics with people.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You said you had a great conversation. It was terrible sentence.
That is the biggest contradiction since Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Actually, well, no, it was great because Gary said it
was great, and I said it was terrible because it
was terrible.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, okay, Wow, we went so political so fast. That's crazy.
Bottom line, pizza's great. Politics are not. But you ever
need to get through an elect.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
You sound like us, Oh my god, like you've been
smoking for twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
The CIA just took me out. Oh my god, that
was so gross. We have to cut that out or
blur my face. I didn't even cover my mouth.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's so gross.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
That's so gross. I'm like a four year old. Anyways,
if you ever need to get through an election night,
pizza is also very very good crew whatever, and in
the film industry. Actually, I'm gonna be very careful, how
I say this, Okay, when you're ordering craft services for
your actors and crew, you want something that's relatively cheap

(34:46):
for your budget, but you want something that's also going
to be full, fulfilling, tasty, like a thing that people
like a lot, but that's not going to bring them down,
like not gonna keep them way down, but keep them
a little bit light but still whatever. Pizza is not
always a great thing because it can make you feel
really heavy, but it is cheap and everyone loves it, right,
So I love ordering pizza for a wrap party or

(35:10):
a last day on set or a final meal before
we wrap.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Great, perfect, love it. Everyone loves pizza.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's fantastic. And Dominoes and every other pizza place has
always great gluten free options because obviously there's lots of
people with dietary restrictions. I have a nut allergy. Dominoes
is great for that stuff. So I think we need
to get sponsored by Dominoes. I think we need to
get Yeah, give them a read. Yeah, we'll get to Thunderbolts,

(35:37):
I promise, but we we we need to pad the
run time here a little bit because we can't argue
the whole time. You have to have a discussion anyways.
So what I like to have on set, though, like
this is like the good stuff. It's like, have some
granola bars, have some bottles of water. Sub Subway. Subway
catering is fans.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
At our grad party, my buddy. It was wasn't like
a sanctioned grad party. This was like my buddies after red.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh you know, one of the like at the lake
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
It was in his backyard. But yeah, you get the idea.
I get the idea.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, And he ordered. Subway has these like special
order like six foot subs right like the platter, but
they're like, no, no, it's not a platter. It's like
actually comes in a box that's like six and like
that bigger round. And we ordered. We ordered one of those,
and it was funny because his dad, him and his
dad went and picked it up and then we went
out to get it and we came back into the

(36:29):
backyard carrying it on our shoulders like a battering ram.
That was great.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
So yeah, subs is like a great thing that keeps
people light and it's not like greasy or gross or anything.
So she's like costumes, don't get costumes dirty or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Meat platters and like Charkurit rewards, those are all great fruits, veggies,
anything like that that keeps people like full that a
general amount of people, like like one of those Sobey's
flute fruit platters or like veggie trays, the veggie trays,
the fruit platters. I find the veget traces just quicker
than the fruit.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It just doesn't stay well, right, Like I like, I
I don't like taking fruit in like a lunch or something.
It just doesn't keep as well.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Pineapples get soggy and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Strawberries and berries they just don't.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, and grapes are so inconsistent for some reason, and
so yeah, like like the veggie trace, though the celery
is always great.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's I hate celery. I hate vegetables, but you know
I don't want to get vegetitles.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah anyways, uh, anyways, little tip for catering is get
stuff that everyone's gonna love but isn't going to bog
down your crew and uh and make it affordable with
your budget. Right, I've only have that experience on directing
short films, so I've been it's been pretty easy for me, right, Like,

(37:47):
it's really easy to just be like, Okay, a hundred
bucks subpout catering done boom. But then it's like on
the larger scales, like I it would be an interesting challenge.
So I'm excited to learn more about that at some point,
like what it's gonna be like catering for something like that.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I tried to win Best direct when when we did
Media School. We have we have our like oscars where
we like go towards for like everybody's filmed, you know,
their final project. I tried to win Best Director by
just going ham on the craft services were you were
you were with me, we were shooting out out of
that paintball place, Yeah, and I just bought like two

(38:22):
flats of drinks and like a couple of.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Some great chips on your set. Yeah yeah, remember that
scene that was in where.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I come up with the hip bag and I'm like, yeah, sure,
I wonder how many bags of chips you wait when
we were shooting at Oh, probably enough to pay for
an Yeah that was a great That was a great time.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Anyways, maybe we can overlay a photo of that or something,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, but you can always check out the check out
our short films on our personal YouTube channels.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Little plug there. Okay, let's get into thunderbolts. Yes, great
little pizza advertisement, great conversation. We can tie back into
a big studio mar movie where it's like, hey, you
have a ton of people you need to feed, but
you also have needy actors. And what I mean by
that is like when I have people volunteering on like
my short film, it's like, obviously I want to kept

(39:13):
them fed. I'm happy. Everything's great, right, and they're very thankful.
It's it's a mutual thing, like people people like being fed.
It helps you get through the day. It's the least
you can do, especially if you have people volunteering to
work on your shity. Feed them, give them something to eat,
keep them because it's it's good from morale, it's good
for everything. It's the least you can do. But like

(39:36):
most of the time, people who are fed like, hey, great,
this is perfect. But then you get into like Hollywood
stuff and they're like, I need only red Eminem's my nutrition.
Iss says I can only eat white sesames on bread.
Then you have to go find white sesame seed bread,
like and you can't sprinkle white sesame seeds on it
you have to get from the specific cafe in Orlando,

(39:57):
and they're shooting in Egypt or something. It's like, you
know what I mean. So it's something like, well, time
to thunderbolts. Very interesting how the craft services have to
like figure out and work with this and and figure
out with all these marvel heros, you know what I mean,
all these.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Dudes who are like, yeah, no, I can't eat that.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
My nutritionist says, I gotta lose thirty five calories of
fat in the next two days.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And it's like, you know, that specific.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Case might not be a problem soon with everything again,
I'm going back to politics, but you can't talk about
films without politics a little bit. Sure Trump and his
right of one hundred percent tariffs on any films made outside.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
The US true, then I guess we're just gonna watch
a lot more movies here. Well.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
But also it's like, so does that mean movies that
are shot outside the US or movies that are produced
by a non American company?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
What is it? It just it's too.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So I'm not gonna pretend to understand, but I'm gonna
I'm gonna pretend to understand with how I how I'll
show you how I view it with knowledge of I
have no clue when you shoot a film and you
spend all the money, like let's use the catering example.

(41:20):
Where are you buying all that food from? Chances are
you're buying it from the source. I'm shooting a movie
in Alberta. I'm buying food that's made in Alberta from
Alberta grocers and and people making stuff there. So I'm
taking my money and I'm putting it back into the
Alberta government economy, government economy whatever. So if Alberta gives

(41:46):
me one hundred thousand dollars to make a movie and
I go and I fly to California and I make
it there, yeah, well then all the money that that
Alberta gave me has gone somewhere else. One of the
incentives of getting a film grant is to use it
in that place that you got the grant, because it's
it's reinjecting it and it's like it's a little boost.

(42:08):
So the way I see it, and again, I know
nothing about tariffs, I know nothing about the economy.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think, what's the thing is.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
It's like, okay, well, if you're going to be taking
one hundred million US dollars, whether it's your personal funds
or other people's funds, or you're getting film grants or whatever.
You're going to be charged money to do whatever here
because you're not putting it back in the US economy.
You know what I mean, You're taking them. You're taking.

(42:37):
Elon Musk donates me ten millions to my film and
instead of instead of going and shooting a Tesla commercial
with it, I go shoot a Ford commercial with it
in Brazil. You know what that's that's you know what
I mean, That's how I see it. I could be
totally wrong. I have no idea. I don't even pretend
to understand. When I hear tariffs on films, that's what
I think of it. But I I can't.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Tariff works on a good. Traditionally is the tax on
import good. It's it imports, right, That's the thing. So
it's I mean, you know, like, if you know I'm
selling you know something, Let's say I'm selling phone cases
to a company in the States, or the importer, which

(43:24):
let's say in that case is a US based company,
is the one that pays the tariff. I don't pay
the tariff. The importer pays the tariff. And so let's
say a European company makes a movie in Eastern Europe
and it's all done over there. Sure, So now how

(43:46):
are you applying at tariff? And at what point is
that tariff being applied? Like is that being applied when
somebody imports the DBD copies or is that being imported
when Netflix signs a deal a deal to stream that
movie or what is you know what I mean, I'll give.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
You a visual representation.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
M no clue.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I have no clue when I think of taxes on
movies and why that might be an incentive. That's what
I think of. Truthfully, I have zero clue. And it's
just it's complicated. Yeah, it's like everyone pretends to understand,
but at the end of the day do we really know?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like, And I'm not saying that as an excuse for
me being ignorant, because I am ignorant. I don't need
an excuse though.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
It's like it's just like, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
People snap their fingers and it's tariff, this tariff that,
Oh never mind, We've decided no more terrorists this week.
So I just like, had you heard the word tariff
in your life before the last six months.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, but I've heard it more in the last two
weeks than I've ever heard it in the you know, sure, that's.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Maybe that's that's maybe that's maybe my pah, So I'm
not I need to do research. So I can't give anything,
I can't say anything. I I have no clue. That's
just how I.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
That's also saying that we don't really know what we're
talking about, so don't take a word to weak.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I just feel like, again, if I'm getting made money
to make something, well, then it's a good incentive to
make it where I got that money too, Because it's.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Like again, if you want to bring back, you know,
film jobs or bring films back to the States, the
way to do it isn't tariffs. The way to do
it is increase your incentives. I was, I was reading
about this a little bit, and the UK has a
twenty five percent unlimited tax break, Like that's the that's
a really common thing with film industries. The governments have

(45:44):
tax breaks on it or or whatever, and their UK's
is unlimited, but like California only has like it's like
twenty percent, but it's only up to a certain amount those.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So one of the reasons why they're terrifying the States
movies is like, hey, when will go over there, they
have way better incentives, So it's taking the Americans away,
and the movie should be made here in the.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
USA, right, But my point is, so the better way
to do it, in my opinion, is to just increase
the incentives. So you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Have you're making great points, but you have a very
very big problem here. You're using your brain and and
and critical thinking, and so I can't say you're right
or wrong, but I'd say that at a surface level,
you're doing too much already. You should just say yes.

(46:44):
It's like you know that you know the rules of
improv Yes, and you're going to hear folks. So, yeah,
it is political, but it's something that does relate to
movies and movie making. And now we're successfully thirty minutes
in without any thunderbolts. Yes, and this is great. It's

(47:05):
a fine because I didn't have much to say anymore
on thunderbolts. He did, but he did. Okay, then I
want you, I want you to go.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
You gotta talk for another two minutes.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Well I finished this, yeah, dear lord, Okay, well, yeah,
let me talk about my likes and dislikes, because I
overall enjoyed Thunderbolts. I thought it was a decent Marvel movie.
And you know what, I know exactly what I go
into when I watch a Marvel movie, and I don't
expect oscar winning films. I expect to have fun in
a movie, and I had fun in a movie. It
needed more fight scenes as a team. I get why

(47:38):
they wanted to do like the more emotional like oh, Bob,
groupog whatever. Well, like, I think it would have been
nice to see one or two more fight scenes of
them working as a team. If we're gonna solidify these
guys as a new Avengers, I want to see them
working in action. The end credit scene, although cool, I
definitely think it needed a little bit more substance.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
One of the reasons why, in my opinion, Infinity War
was so cool was at the end or whatever movie
it was, at the end, they're like, oh yeah, Like
they talk about the Asgard ship going down and you
know Thanos is coming. You're like, oh, this is gonna
be sick. But all this this is like the Fantastic Four.
We're coming into the like landing like on on the
Earth and you're like okay, like whatever. Like I think

(48:16):
it needed something to say, like here the voice of
mister Fantastic going like, yeah, this is Earth, but requesting
assistance or something stupid like that.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Right, Oh, Maggie's giving me the side because I'm not
giving your pizza.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I thought there was solid performances. I wanted to see
more of the past of all the characters, like the
moment Walker's wife left him. I thought that would have
been cool, and I wanted to see a sequel. Anyways,
you rock and roll?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Oh all right, let's go. What do we already talk
We talked about that. We talked about that.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay, I'm just gonna go through my notes and on
sure most strenuous part of the movie, or the part
where they worked the hardest, we talked about this.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I would I would rather talk about tariffs already.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know that scene where they're where there's a bunch
of rubble falling and they're protecting all the people and
it's great, they're working as a team to save people. Yay,
And then there's this big chunk of concrete that falls
and there's like an old lady there and there's like
one and he's like, oh, I can't go. I can't
quite get it. And then it takes all five of
them to list this piece of concrete off, like and
these are the new Avengers, right, and like, I don't know,

(49:28):
it's just that one's that one annoyed me a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Right, it is.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
It does feel a little out of place almost for sure,
Like why didn't one of them just like run through it?
They're the Avengers, Yeah, and we already know that buildings
kind of like fall apart really easy. And I know this,
and especially brick because we're cleaning my backyard the other
day and I trip and I fell backwards into our
brick fireplace like in the backyard. It wasn't like hot

(49:55):
or anything like that, and I broke the first My
back is still sore. I I can show you a picture,
but like it had the fire grate on it. I
completely destroyed it. And I knocked over the first layer
of bricks and half of them were all broken and
it was like a wwe thing. And my back is
still sore from it. And maybe that's like, yeah, I'm
just clumsy and that happened, and now we need a

(50:16):
new fire pit because I actually destroyed it like a
w W chair slam, like it was insane.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I want a video of that.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Okay, Bob is a cool character.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I mean, I like I like it, And I thought
Lewis Pulman did a really good job of that, like
kind of going from like the like subdued kind of
mental health show kid to like the void.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I don't know, I thought.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I thought he played the character really well. I don't
know him from the from the comics, but I thought
that his interpretation of it was was good without that background.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I think the character's name is Sam. If you've watched
gen v and like the Boys Universe, very similar to
like that kind of schizophrenic superhero vibe whatever, like very
similar character and looks similar.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
To defeating the defeating the enemy with a group hug.
I mean, let's be honest, when you go to a
superhero movie, you want to see a big, epic final battle, right,
And I thought, like this leads into my next poet.
I thought that the direction that they were trying to
go with, like you know, the confronting the past and

(51:31):
kind of that, I thought it was interesting. I thought
it was really really interesting and it had a lot
of potential.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Especially for like the dark anti heroes.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yes, yes, yes, but it just it felt to surface level.
I felt like they had so much potential that they
didn't go into. I mean, look at Bucky Barnes past.
They had so much potential to dig into two deep,
dark secrets of his past.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Right, And that goes back to my point. I wanted
to see more of that. Yeah, Like I think they're
like everyone's seen that, they don't need a recamp, but
it's like, give us the recap. Anyways, if you're gonna
be showing Yolena's past or whatever, then make up a
scene for all of them or do something show Yeah,
I think you mentioned show the moment where he killed
Stark's parents.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, like that was you know, that sort of thing.
I mean, there's so there's so many options for that.
I mean the same thing he said with Walker the
moment his wife, Like these all these guys have these
have such good backstories, and they just didn't he didn't
delve into it enough.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Oh. Actually, even a better one for Bucket would be
like when he blew up the Senate building with like
and killed u a King to Chala.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, to Chaka Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Chala, Like yeah, yeah, like when he killed Black Panther's dad. Yeah,
Like whoa, that would be like a crazy moment to
like in the un or whatever, or do.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
You have a montage a whole bunch of those moments.
You've got so many, so many good options that And
I just felt like that it was missed potential and
that because they didn't they didn't delve into that that
side of it enough. Overall just didn't work right.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
And wan thing they do when they go into Walker's
pass his whole thing is showing people's traumatic dark moments,
and instead of showing the moment where Walker's life left
him and he realizes, they show a little cut of
Walker's wife alone in the room holding the baby.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
But it's like.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
That because that he didn't he didn't see that he
wasn't in the room.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
So I mean, I can see why that might be
a dark moment for him when they can when he
realized that was the case, But like, to me, that
wouldn't be as dark as the moment or as visually
impactful even to the audience as when he actually his
wife actually.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Show his wife, Yes, ye show show all of the
characters just a little.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Bit not a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
It's not a lot. Each of them go through. Have
a quick little thing for each of them thing bata boom,
four minutes. Maybe okay, good, a little bit more substance,
like yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, I means he
needed that. We all know as an audience, if you've
seen all thirty six Marvel movies, but the standalone thing,

(54:07):
how about you just give.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
It them New Avengers. No, yes, I refuse, Yes, I refuse.
They are not the Avengers, they never will be, and
I will not call them the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
But you see what I mean. They're going to do
that thing. They're gonna have a little fight between like
the other Avengers and the anti Avengers.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
The bar, the bar is so low for Marvel movies
these days that people think this is good and it's not.
It is good, it's not it is It just really
is not as a good movie. Oh yeah, it's refreshing
because it's not as good. It's not as bad as
the other slop that's been coming out in the last
five years.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Here's the thing I even liked. I even liked Captain America,
the new Captain American movie.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I actually I liked Red Hulk. I thought Harrison Ford
did a great job. I liked Red Hulk.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Assume me.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I never feel like I waste my money go into
Marvel movies because when I go, I mean, there's been
some sloppy ones for sure. When I go, I spend
my money, I sit down, I keep an open mind,
and I say, a year to watch a dumb action movie, sneeze.
And every single time I get a dumb action movie,

(55:18):
So why should I go expecting anything crazier each time? Now,
obviously I wanted to. I want it really poorly. I
want it to be done like solid, and I want
to appreciate it. And I felt like I appreciated Captain
America and I appreciated Thunderbolts and I had a good time.
I didn't appreciate the Marvels so much, and like the
singing scene, Oh god, brother, that hurts so much. Have

(55:40):
you seen the Marvels? No, if you go home and
watch the Marvels right now.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, like I have to.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Anyways, I thought it was very well done compared to
other things, Like I just like, it's just like, I
don't know what what what more are you expecting?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Obviously?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Okay, sorry. I've talked to complaints as you. I have
a lot of the same complaints as you. Well, like,
how did that not ruin my experience? Brother, I paid
for your ticket. You know you had no financial entry
into this, so you had no stakes. I had the stakes.
I had the stakes, and I had a good time
with those things.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
That's that's that's great. I didn't. I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Would you have liked it, mar if you bought your
own ticket? No, you would have been forced to like it.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
No, I wouldn't have walked. I probably would have walked out.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Movies are too expensive to walk out.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
If I don't know financial, I probably wouldn't have walked out. Ine,
I paid for two hours, damn nose, I'm gonna get
paid two hours? Okay, once pew where is nerd? But
every says the name he does that pretty good job there.
I feel like the writing didn't give her much to
work with. I felt like she she is capable of more,

(56:56):
but we just we just didn't get that potential right.
There's still some Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
She's really good, so alone, I know it doesn't it
doesn't come off as like the Anakin Skywalker.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I'm so angry.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
It comes off as like, oh, wow, you actually feel
for her character. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
No, I mean it's it's good. It just it could
have been better.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Were you expecting an Oscar No, but because I feel
like we're as close to getting before the Oscar territory.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
No. But the thing is I want to see her
full potential, and I felt she had more and it's
not her fault. I felt like greatest times where she
was betrayed by the writing.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So we're more like daytime Emmys and not Oscars yet.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Sure, Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
When I was thinking about this movie, and especially after
we were we were talking about it there and we
went through like the synopsis of it, I feel like,
not really very much happened for a two hour movie,
Like the actual number of like events that happened just
didn't feel like and it wasn't like it was like
pacing where like like all this so slow or too

(58:01):
fast or whatever. I just like in retrospectrum, like not really.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
That much happened.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
It takes place over like what two days? Would you say?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, is that kind of like yeah, two three days,
A couple of days like that, And it just I
don't know, it just it just felt I don't know.
I I noticed that maybe there was a just a
bit too much fluff in certain places.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I noticed that, But I don't see that as a
complaint in my opinion, Like I don't like I actually
checked my phone during the movie. And I think I
mentioned this like really quietly because well, like, sorry, I
didn't check my phone. I did like this. I wanted
to see the time. I checked the time because I
actually wanted to see more. And I was like, I
noticed the movie was almost over, and I was like,
actually kind of like actually used a half hour.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
In my opinion, well, I don't want to see a
two and a half hour movie though, So they could
like short movies. They could, they could just put more
into it.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
It's just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It just felt like maybe there's there was It's an
infinite struggle because I like an hour and a half movies.
I think the average movie should be ninety minutes. I
am so sick of going to the movies and spending
three and a half hours at the movies. I love
going to the theater three and a half. Three and
a half hours for me is a little tough, yep
like the Brutalist for me, at Scotia Bank was like,

(59:10):
great movie, but I definitely was like tapping my foot
a couple.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Of times, like okay, like let's finish this up.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Like the movie could have easily been out two and
a half hours if they just like didn't have ten
fifteen second lingering shots. Beautiful shots, but like, come on,
like if I like the shots so much, I'll make
it my computer wall screen. Like but like, I absolutely
love when a movie makes me want to see more

(59:38):
as someone who wants to watch shorter movies, it's just
unfortunate where it's like, okay, how do you make that compromise? Yeah,
and I left the theater wanting to see more, but
I also left the theater not wanting to sit there
for three and a half hours, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And The Brutalist is a great movie, but old Marvel
I'm talking like twenty eleven Avengers to endgame that era,
or actually we can we can even just go from
the first Iron Man or first Thorn movie from that
era to endgame.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I felt like they were able to strike such a
good balance between having a serious story and stakes and
still having humor. Sure, I felt like I always would
watch those and I felt like, you know, I would
have some good laughs, and there was there's humor in it,
but there was also still a serious element all the stories,

(01:00:35):
and I felt that they maintained that well. However, I
felt like they tried to do the same thing with
this movie and it just didn't work. I felt like
the humor kind of seemed forced and out of place
at times funny, but out of place and forced, and
then as a result, it was harder to take the

(01:00:58):
serious aspects seriously. Like I was just laughing right out
loud at the group hug part, you know what I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Mean, Like, let's see, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, it's just because you're watching all these people who
are serious Dark Night as characters hug their way out
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, you know what I mean. And so that one,
that one, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Just I really you don't see that as character growth?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
No, why not? Because it just looks it's just dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
It didn't grow at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
That it was hug.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
One thing that grows when you have so like three
to five of them grew anyways, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I guess, I mean like I kind of just saw
that more character, Like here's well, here's the thing. I
felt like that the stakes weren't as high for me
with like the Bob character, mostly because with the Avengers
doomsday cast announcement, you know, all the characters are surviving anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Well that's the other thing. I feel like there's not
a concern about spoilers, but speaking of steaks, like, okay,
so let's look at Infinity War an endgame. So everybody
gets snapped away in Infinity War, right, we had to
wait the whole next movie to know if all those
people were ever coming back. But we knew you kind
of you kind of knew they were. What but like

(01:02:23):
money but serious? Yeah, but but you know what I mean,
there was steaks. It felt like there were stakes, But
in this movie, they took that storyline and condensed it.
So you know that scene where where Red Guardian saves
that little girl and then immediately she gets shadowed and
then and you're like, oh shit, Like that was like

(01:02:43):
an oh shit moment, like in the in the audience,
like there was like a collective like oh shit. It
was also kind of funny. It was kind of funny too. Again,
my point is that you can't take the serious stuff
seriously in this movie. But then five minutes later when
Florence steps into the shadow and we realize she's fine,

(01:03:04):
it's like, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
What was the point? You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I mean? It was too quick they needed it. Just
feels like there's no steaks anymore. Well, she went after
did anybody die in this movie?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
She's like, she knew the shadow rum, she like confront
her fears. I know you can get the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I know that, but we don't know that until she
does it right, and it just it just felt like
there's no steaks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Well, I mean people are disappearing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, but we know five minutes later that they're all
going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But you just said we didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Well, yeah, for five minutes. My point is with Infinnyordy
five minutes there were stakes, not really would you like them?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Just like cut the movie off there when the little
Girl disappears and then take it up again in a
year and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
No, But like I feel like there's got to be
a way to make it unclear whether they're actually gonna
be able to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I think they did that. Yolena walks into the Shadow
Rum and then Red Guardian's freaking out and crying he's
like no, and and she's gone, and then like pull
him away and they're like they're like, I don't know
if she's gonna come back. Man, Like, doesn't that seem
like a little bit uncertain to you because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
They're not going to kill off the main character like that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
And then they they also show her struggling to even
figure out how to get through this shadow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
No, I don't, I don't, I just I don't know.
I felt like there was no stakes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Do you feel like, Okay, do you feel like there
was no stakes because you weren't invested or do you
feel like there was no stakes because of a lack
of story? Because to me, I felt like there was
decent enough steaks because I I was enjoying myself. But
I could see how you didn't feel like because you

(01:04:44):
just don't care about any of the characters. So was
that one? It's both to you, So so that like
that's something to think about too, because as someone who
was enjoying the time with the characters, I thought the
stakes were pretty good. As someone who was enjoying the
time with the characters. But if I didn't care about
any of them, then why would I care about the steak.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
That leads me to my next point. I don't know,
I don't like I'm not a Marvel super nerd. So like, okay,
when again, I'm gonna go back to the the golden age.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Of of Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Your your your iron Man's, your Thors, your your early Avengers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
No, that was it was absolutely No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
It wasn't the Civil War, Silvil War, the hype when
they announced Spider Man was coming to them, see you,
that was the piece with infinity or got into the galaxy. No,
the first Thor movie sucked nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Okay, from from from Iron Man to Endgame was the
golden age of Marvel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I can't argue with that swo thirds of Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yes, I know everything after Endgame is shitty. That's the
golden age I mean, but here's the thing. Let's look
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
For the first from your metric went from iron Man
one to Avengers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
From I meant all of the Avengers stuff from the beginning, Okay,
they you watched like two movies a year, maybe three,
and you were fully caught up on everything. Now you
have to watch like seventeen million TV shows and forty
five movies, and it's ridiculous. I mean, I would, Yeah,

(01:06:22):
you absolutely do. I didn't know who any of those
characters were until we got out of the theater and
you were like, oh yeah, you had to watch this
to get to know this person's backstory and this one
to know this person, and you had to watch all
these TV shows. It's too many for this, too many evil.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
You have to watch Black Widow and I'm oh, Black Widow,
Ant Man and the Wasp, so two movies, and and
the Falcon Winter Soldier TV show. So so one TV
show and two movies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
But I get I get your points right, But there's
it's not even just that because then those other movies
you have to watch more to understand, right, and and
so so's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Someone ad effect though of them having so much right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
And that's my problem with it is it's it is
too much. I mean, even I was reading some articles
about this, and even even Kevin Faigi again reportedly allegedly
allegedly said that it was beginning to feel like homework
and not entertainment. So when you're like, I don't know
what his you know, actual role is, but like you know,

(01:07:25):
the big big boy at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
The top, he's yeah, like what not CEO?

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
But something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
He is like the head, like when he says it's
starting to feel like homework and not entertainment. That is
that is indicative problem, Like like you again, I've been
feeling that for a long time. I don't care about
Marvel anymore because I don't want to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
All that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Like that's why I liked that original kind of era
of Marvel was a couple movies a year, and you
were good. Now it's you know, like I said, one
hundred TV shows and forty five movies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
But if you're watching them as it comes out, doesn't
matter because it's not like they're releasing seventeen TV shows
a year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
But there's other things that I want to watch, right,
I don't have time to watch it. But it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Like they've they've actually slowed down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I know they have, but there was one of they
slowed down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So technically it's easier now to catch up with Marvel
than it ever has been. Technically true, it's true. Think
of how it slowed down during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
If I was since you technically.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Have to watch, you have to watch more overall, if
you were getting into the sea, sure that's progression. But
for you if you stopped at endgame, you technically, if
you watch them in order of you released, actually have
the slowest amount of time, actually the longest period of time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
To catch up on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Still too much though, and I agree, I agree with
that it's just too much. It's too much. But for me,
I'm willing to watch it and go through it because
I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
But that's the thing is now it's for a specific audience,
because you know the original those Marvel movies, you know,
you like I said, two three movies a year. That's
that's perfectly reasonable to suspect your average person who enjoys
a movie but isn't a Marvel super fan to go
and watch a couple movies a year and they and
they can be fully into it. And now someone again

(01:09:04):
like me, I like movies, but I'm not a Marvel
super fan. I'm not watching all those TV shows and
now I don't have all the backstory for these these movies.
It's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I just don't maybe see how that's like full a
problem because they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Have because you watch all the TV shows. There's a lart.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
No I don't. I haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I haven't seen Miss Marvel. I have watched a lot
more than I do, though.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, sure, sure, I don't feel like catching up on
a lot of that stuff. I just watch what I
need to for that show or whatever and move on.
There's a lot you don't need to see at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
They're all so interconnected, though.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
You didn't need to watch ge Hull. I watched the
first couple of episodes and then you don't. You don't
have to watch Moonnight, even though I thought Moon Night
was a great show. I love Moon Night. You didn't
have to watch it, you know what I mean. Like
even with Ghost Like, they don't show anything of ghosts
in this movie, so I really don't even care about
ghosts honestly. Like ghosts, it's as a small partner and

(01:09:55):
on the Lost, don't even really need to watch that,
in my opinion, because ghost is just whatever. I didn't
even definitely need to watch Black Widow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I didn't realize that was where she was from until
I got out and was doing research.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah, well, you definitely got to watch Captain America in
the I'm sorry, Falcon in the Winter Soldier. That's definitely watch. Like.
Those two are like the definite watches, and the other
one is just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Like, I don't know in justest all the characters, it's
just I don't know what they don't care about them? Yeah,
you know, it just there's there's okay, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
You don't care because you're not invested. My thing is,
I don't necessarily see that as a problem against the movie,
whether I was a Marvel fan or not, because it's
like it's a more not necessarily niche anymore, but it's
a fan base. I'm not a huge Harry Potter fan.
I'm not. I I think the Harry Potter movies are good.
I've seen all of them multiple times. I've just seen

(01:10:46):
them so many times that I just I can't pretend
to be interested anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I don't dog on the Harry Potter movies though, because
I'm like, oh, I'm not invested. I don't care. Because
it's like there's a fan base, yeah you know what
I mean. When they make when they make a new
Harry Potter sequel or book or whatever, you know, I'm like,
well I didn't understand that, Laura.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
So it sucked.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
But it's like was it made for me? It was
made for those fans, right, you have to have your
target audience. This is made for the Marvel fans and
other stuff, and I can money.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I consider myself a Marvel fan, but just not a
super fan. That's my point is that I just wish
that there wasn't so much homework required because I want
to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So you don't sound like a Marvel fan because like
I don't care about any of these characters. They don't
know any of them, so it's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Like, yeah, because they're all just being cless discount characters
as well. You've got discount black ways finally understanding the
point of this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
You finally just said it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
You can't do the realization that this is a B
movie because it's bee characters, because they're trying to sell
the idea that these nobody's are becoming somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
And they understand they the idea because I don't shit
about them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
You they failed, but to me and all the little
boys and girls across Venezuela.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
We know that it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Thank you for watching The Booing Room. We do have
an Instagram at the Booing Room Underscore, and you can
follow us on Patreon, a different app media

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