The Viewing Room Ep 43 - The Matrix - Review and Analysis - The Viewing Room

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
And now time for the viewing room with Adam and Eton.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to the viewing Room where we talk about films
new and old, local and global. Today were live streaming
once again, and this time it wasn't due to a
lack of planning. What is this?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I haven't done this on the live yet. This is
the historic moment. Go ahead, you like this song? Yeah,

(00:55):
we won't get copyrighted.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
His phone quality was not good enough to it's like
that song. I'm talking with the Matrix today and we're
doing it live. And like I said, it's not because
of a lack of planning, which all the other ones
we can say confidently were. We decided this because we
didn't want to record at night.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
So yeah, I feel like a lot of the time
we're like, well I work until nine, and oh I
work until eleven, And like, if we just decided we
were going to start recording at midnight every time, we'd
be great. There would be nobody in the studio and
we'd always be available, well not always, let me time,
we'd be available, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Pull back the curtain. Literally, Uh, I don't know. Actually
I said this is a metaphor. No it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's both because you literally pulled back the curtain, and
you're about to give us a curtain pull back metaphor.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
But literally means like written down.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
No, it doesn't. It just means it happened in actuality. No. No,
in that context, literally just means it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Actually, but the original like the term literally comes from.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yes, but that's not what it means anymore, not in
that context. Well, anyway, pull back the curtain.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, I'm pulling it back strong here. Uh. I like
my eight hours. I do. I like my eight hours.
I'm a I'm a huge believer in the power of
a good night's RESTful sleep. And you know, when it
comes down to it, I have a lot of early

(02:25):
mornings and I naturally kind of wake up around seven
seven point thirty, so to me, I need to go
to bed at like eleven.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I woke up at seven forty five this morning. To
drag myself here, I reset my alarm six times.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's that's funny. I can't. But what I purposely
do is again, I'll pull back the curtains some more.
I have my alarm clock on the other side of
my room, and it is a loud motherfucker dude, Like
he goes.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Like and wakes up everybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Dude, dude, everyone is awake. But I'm a dead sleeper, right,
So like, if I need to get up at five AM,
I need an air raid surary to be going off,
like like it is insane. You know. Funny story. A
tree fell on our cabin once in the middle of
the night in a terrible, terrible storm. My whole family
was awake hiding pretty much just like, oh, what's gonna happen.

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I selept through the entire thing. I like, no joke,
slept through the whole thing. A tree fell on our cabin,
hit the side of our cabin, then land on the deck,
crack the deck. We need to do like a ton
of repairs like like nothing like like actually nothing dead
to the world. So I need my eight hours. I

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like my eight hours. I think it's great. It helps
you stay positive, it helps you stay energized. I'm not
like a huge coffee guy, so like, I like, I
like being awake and active and like just like the
brain being active early. Right, So yeah, I got up
at seven, and I go to bed eleven and and
I've set a ton of alarms on my phone, like

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like it's disgusting how many alarms are set. But then
like alarms on my phone are one thing, but with
my alarm clock on the other side of the room,
like I have to get out and turn it off
because actually the fear of waking my dad up is
just instilled in me that like something deep within me
makes me like run over to my alarm clock, like
father can't.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Know I'm awake.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay, let's talk about the actual matrix, the movie that
we're going to be.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Maybe we are talking about the matrix in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Perhaps, which is gonna lead me into my first point.
This is a movie, whether you love it or you
hate it, that is of high cultural relevance, and not
because I'm like, oh man, we're living in the matrix,

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but we're using that term. Think of how often you
hear that term nowadays some people who've never even see
the movie. We're like social media influences in this weird
age of content where people are like quit your nine
to five, escape the matrix, start drop shipping or buy NFTs.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
The other ones you see is like when people like
put news reporters, when they put like a bunch of
those video clips of like reporters all saying the exact
same thing from like across the country, like random stations
across the country, stuff like that, and like, oh, it's
the matrix, right.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
So it's a term that is used and be funneled
by many people, I'd say, because what is a term
of science fiction has becomeing rooted in people and almost
become a lifestyle where content people are making content, making
livings off of it, being like, yeah, do my online
alpha male course to escape the matrix and become a gazillionaire.

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And it's like, okay, there's that. And then there's conspiracy
theories people who are on ironically using escape the Matrix
because you.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Know, I think we should bring a conspiracy theory expert
on the show.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
No Week.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And and and yeah, it's used and ironically now as
like like not just a staple of pop culture but
kind of been rooted in people's lives in a way
where they've become almost addicted to this idea that their
life isn't real, which is not healthy at all, not
a healthy way to look at anything.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But but it's there.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And it's like, huh, I don't know about the psychology
the psychology of that. But but it is pretty interesting because.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Okay, well do you I mean, I think the thing
is like even if it's like for me, it just
makes me stop and think about it, like like, oh,
like that's interesting or certain. You know when you see
certain things you're like, huh, I wonder like you know,
there's it's just certain, like it just makes you stop
and think about it, like, oh like some of this

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isn't out as far to lunch as we might think.
And actually there's a really good Neil de grass Tyson
interview where somebody asked them like, are we living in
a simulation? And I'm paraphrasing his exact response, but it
was basically in the along the lines of, Okay, if
we are living in a simulation, we are either what

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hold on, We're either we are either the like the
top level of it. Sure we are the most recent one.
And what that So basically what I'm saying is, so
let's say we're living in a simulation and we develop
our technology. They allow us to develop our technology to
a point where we can now create similar simulations, and

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then that will happen and it's just a it's a
it's a domino effect, right, it's just going to keep
keep going. But we don't have that level of technology yet.
So either we're the bottom of the chain and that
we are living in a simulation in a simulation, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera, and we haven't figured out that technology,
or we're at the top level and we're gonna be

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the first ones to create the simulation.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, but very it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah that like but that that's a little different. That's
a little different then maybe the terms like escape the matrix.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
No, But to me, it's like it's that's what when
I'm watching the matrix, I'm not thinking, Oh, we we're
batteries for some advanced AI am like I mean people
who think.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
That and ironically like like oh, like I better vote
like for for this person because they're gonna help me
escape the matrix.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Like what Yeah, But like I said, to me, it's
it's it's more about like just the possibility that like
this isn't you know what I mean? Like like sure,
I find entirely believable that like we could be like
living not notarily in a simulation, but like our reality

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is like a video game for someone else, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
So this is just going to my point of the
term matrix or simulation being used in real life. This
is arguably a large pioneer in that kind of science
fiction and realm where people have started to to look
past the ten of your brain. I wouldn't even say

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it and develop ideas.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I wouldn't say it like really started it. I because
I think there's always been people with some ideas like that,
and it's in science fiction writings for a long time.
But I think if we're opponents, well, I think it's
just it's just kind of brought the idea to the masses.
It's more like before it was kind of like more
fringe science fiction writings, and now it's like it's visualized. Yeah,
it's visualized, and and and and and and just like

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all of a sudden, people like were like, oh maybe
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, even if my life was a simulation, I like
my life. I have I have a I have like,
I have a good life, I have a good family.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So now we know that you'd be Cipher in the movie.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I wake up, I wake up, I'm happy, I go
to bed, I'm less happy, you know what I mean?
Like I don't have to like go to sleep listening
to like bombs going off by my room, right, like
I don't know, Like I have access to food and water,
Like I'm grateful for that shit. So like I don't
spend much of time thinking like, oh what if this

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wasn't real, because I'd rather spend my time appreciating what
I do have than wondering of all the things I don't, right,
And that's kind of how I live my life. But yeah,
but this is a large proponent proponent and and kind
of again the word pioneer is is interesting but like

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just like a large factor of starting those conversations, I'd
say and and yeah, this movie can be credited with
that kind of idea of of the matrix being the matrix.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I gotta also say shout it to Colseium for presenting
this movie. Neither of us were able to make it there,
We're still irving it because it's a great movie. And uh,
yeah is it on the on our poster?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It probably is, Yeah, you can you should be grammical.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Grab it and check because we also forgot to do
Indiana Jones from last week.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, Mikeys are on there if you want to grab
it a scratch. Uh yeah, let us know in the
comments below if you believe in the matrix in your
life is a simulation and what would you do to
change it. I'd sooner rather believe in the idea of
a multiverse than a simulation.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
To me, simulation is more believable to a multiverse. But
that's just personal. Okay, we'll scratch this at the end.
We'll scratch Indiana Jones as well. We forgot to do
that last.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And the matrix is on there as well. It is, Yes, cool,
I hope it's ones and zeros.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
It probably will be, or it'll be a face with
the It'll be like Morpheus or a pill.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh I bet she'd be the pill.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Okay, the matrix really March thirty first, nineteen ninety nine.
This is actually the same day Ten Things I Hate
About You came out with Heath Ledger, So there you go.
With a budget of sixty three million US dollars, it
grossed four hundred and sixty seven million dollars in the
global box office for a movie that came out in
ninety nine, that's pretty good. I mean, there wasn't one

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thousand heavy hitters, but like that's still a really good return.
Good return, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I should say the
franchise total so far of the Matrix is about one
point seven billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Crazy, Yeah, the Matrix has gone a little bit done.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Hell the first is definitely the best.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But yeah, the lowest grossing film was twenty twenty one.
Just fun little facts for you there. Okay, so we
got cast. We have Keanu Reeves, Kerry and Moss, Laurence Fishburne.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh what's his face? Who plays l Rond? I just
I can't see him as anything except l Rond. He
plays Agent Smith?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh, agent Smith?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
What's his name? Ah?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Frick? Yeah, he's old. Have you seen photos of him?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, he's age.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
He did not age nothing. He didn't age well because
I imagine he's probably like eighty. But brother, maybe eighty
is a little mean. But how old do you think
he is? I was gonna write down his name, but.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was like, Hugo Weaving that's it.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, dude, he's got a big beard. He's got a
big beard, like he's crazy. How much he's Okay, how
old do you think he is?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Seventy two sixty five? Oh shit?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
He did not he didn't he did.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's what Hollywood does. See. Man, here's the thing. His
eyes remind me of Jack Nicholson's eyes.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's kind of like.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
The funny thing is I honestly could have seen Jack
Nicholson playing like he.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Could have for sure.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, no, I I like I said, I can't see
m as anything except on. But I really think he
nails this role, like the way he miss Granderson, like
just the way he speaks and the mono, the way
he like does the monologues with like no emotion and
yet still so much like yeah, intensity, it's it's really

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really well done.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I'm gonna bring up a point, Okay, Anna Reeves. I
love Kean Reeves. He's a great actor. I love him.
And John Way. I think he's a I think he's
a cool dude, Austin Canadian guy. He's he's a fantastic dude.
I don't necessarily think he's the right role for this.

(14:17):
He's kind of I was gonna use the term firm,
but like sometimes he's pretty static, you know what I mean.
You know, like yeah, I'm I'm thinking I'm back, you
know what I mean. And yeah, and it's like it's
not like the traditional like like who you would expect
to be, like the savior of the of the world,

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and like who the prophecy said it was going to
free everyone from the matrix. He's kind of he's kind
of stuck in place a bit.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I love him. I think he does a good job.
But do you think in your mind there might have
been a better cast for for for Neil.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was just going to say, is who who would
you get to cast if you're doing it? Because I'm
trying to think of who I would who I would cast.
It's just so hard to again see anybody except doing
it right.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Because it's it's dark and but well, you know what
I mean. I don't feel like a lot of that
year that's supposed to happen of someone being ripped. Brother,
if I woke up right now in an alien tube
with tubes in me realizing my whole life was a lie,
I'd maybe freak out a bit more. Keanu Reeves is
like I bet you young Russell Crowe. Oh, I like that.

(15:27):
I like that pick. I like that pick too. Okay,
I'm trying to think, like, can we even go modern?
Even like a matrix? Read Ryan Gosling, a modern Robert
Downey Junior popped into my mind.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
But yeah, he could do it.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I feel like I feel like young Robert Downey Jr.
At the time could have done it too, and he
would have done it back in my opinion, I feel
like he was addicted to drugs at that point, a great,
great time in his life.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So what was I I mean his acting?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And I guess really it's because we've only really seen
him do Iron Man and whatnot, but even in some
of those other little roles in his early days.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
No, not not in.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
His early days, like I'm talking lately under Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, I guess, yeah that could work.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Uh yeah, let us know below. What do you think
the proper casting shows.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
We can check the live chat and see if somebody's
thrown something in.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
There, but it's just like it's just like, oh yeah,
Dan in the chat. Mm hmmm, Dan's in the chat. Yeah,
it was in the chat. Dan.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Uh. Brando Brando as well, Brando does stuff. Well, he's
there's no helping people who think the Matrix was a documentary.
There's no's what Gary said, yeah exactly, Oh Brandon brand
To texting me you leaving your fuck it? Yes, you

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go leaving. I'm sorry l Rond, I did. I can't
stop thinking of him as l Rond.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's all round.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, who else would be our dreamcast? Not dreamcast? Who
else could do it just a bit better? Because again
I could.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
See James Earl Jones playing Morpheus too, yeah and his
younger days.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, yeah, no, yes, Laurence Fishburn is like the perfect Morpheus.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
But like but James Jones could do it too, Yeah
he could, but I mean Laurence Fishburn. See that's what
I mean. Even he is a little static and stuff
like that, but it's like it makes sense as like
the like weird almost fortune teller guy like protect us.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Also, I also I do also think like when you
think about it as well, these people are they've they're
living a life that they've never like they're basically being
born into a world when they're like in there were
what twenties, thirties, you know what I mean, Like they've

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that's going to be pretty weird to all of a sudden,
like have your entire life shattered. So I think that
of course they're all going to be a little bit odd.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't mean odd, I mean distraught, devastated, panic, confused.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
My point is like, is that how they would react? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Okay, you wake up right now covered in tubes and
an alien is sucking the life out of your little
soul and you're no longer ginger and I'm not ginger?
Are you ginger? And how your hair is ginger? It
wasn't a little Yeah you look like a ginger though,
like a leprechaun.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I'm not Irish.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, as you are. And basically you're supposed to go
along with it. She's the worst improv partner ever. You know,
the one real of improv is yes and yeah, yeah
you know what? And this is you No.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
You want to know? But you want to know what
class I failed in arts? Improv?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
You're gonna say pottery. But but improv was the second one.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yes, it was the third one I failed.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Ye, there you go.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
You're learning.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're learning, okay, whatever. If you woke up in an
alien tube, your whole life was gone. Mom and dad
don't actually even exist. Your life is shattered. You don't
even have a job. The matrix doesn't sound too.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Bad, Okay, Cipher, I'll keep saying it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Uh you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, you would be like whoa, but My point is,
would you I like, yes, yes, of course.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't know if your whole life fell away behind
your eyes and you realize you were being suckled by
robotic aliens in your mom's basement because you're a human battery.
What are you talking?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay, it would be the worst day of your lifees,
it would be. But or would you just fall into
a deep depression?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
That's something that is something because this isn't the same day.
This is, you know, weeks ahead, weeks afterward, days or
weeks ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I'm just saying it would be some reaction. Yeah, And
I think as much as I love Keanu Reeves, he
doesn't sell that reaction to me as someone who just
woke up in what was actually real life when the
whole life before was not real at all, it doesn't
sell it for me. Again, I love Keanu Reeves. I

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think this is a good movie. That doesn't sell it
to me. Okay, you would freak the fuck out, dude,
Are you kidding me? I mean maybe I'm just like
a pansy, but like I I would freak out dude
like a man. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Man.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
We should read a synopsis and done that yeah, yeah, uh,
and it was directed by the Which House Keys.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh you know what I forgot to do?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Do you forget to do?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I forgot to change the ticker? Why what does it say?
Indiana Jones?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh? Well, want me to read a synopsis while you
do that? Can you change it? Line?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I can change it, but I have to go over there.
I'll do that with you.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, all right, I'll read a synopsis while at them
changes our ticker. This is what happens when we do
live shows. At least he didn't order a pizza this time.
I can think of many problems. Okay. The Matrix film synopsis,
Neo believes that Murphy, an elusive figure considered to be

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the most dangerous man alive, can answer his question what
is the Matrix? Neo is contacted by Trinity, a beautiful
stranger that's a little weird, who leads him into an
underworld where he fights Morpheus. They fight a brutal battle
for their lives against a cauter of viciously intelligent secret agents.
Is the truth that could cost Neo something more precious

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than his life?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Did you just say that's weird? When they said carry
an moss was attractive?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
It was just weird.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I mean, I'm I'll be honest, that opening scene where
she's in full leather and you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Okay, I just think it's just sad to put in
your synopsis beautiful stranger. Well she is. Yeah, it is
a weird though, that's not it's a kind of weird.
Why kind of a bit weird. I think it's just weird.
That's not.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's in all kinds of movie.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Doesn't matter if she's beautiful or like one eyed like Willie.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Because if she's beautiful, then there's sexual tension.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Again. That's what I mean, instead of being like, oh
why my life is over, they're like black leather sunglasses
and what dude? That's what I mean. It doesn't it
doesn't sell it for me. And I love this movie.
I think this movie is great, but I just had

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to point that out. I just sorry for the crude
hand gestures. It's just it's just, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Sometimes I really don't know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Sometimes it's like, you know what I mean, I'm happy
with it, Okay, sure, sure, Can I bring up something
quickly on the network that we're streaming this on different
avenue Media network we did just hit thirty thousand subscribers,
so congratulations to the team that milestone. Thank you to

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the subbots.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Subscribed.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
There's no subbots, you know that, right, sure, because if
there was, I'd be the one doing I'm.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Not ten million subscribers.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Ten million dollars. What.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
There's a one of the Batman movies where young Bruce Wayne,
he's had an auction.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I've seen you TB show.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's okay TV show.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah yeah, ten what one million dollars?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, it's a great scene.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
He bids a lady.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah. So I guess let's start off with the movie here,
and what time are we at right now?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
It's nine fifty four. We're almost half an hour and
and we haven't really talked about.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
The Yeah, yeah, let's actually talk about the movie. So, yeah,
we start off. We see Trinity. She's running away from
these agents and stuff like that, and they're attacking her.
They're chasing her. She did all the Wires stunts herself,
Carrie and Moss, which is pretty cool. They come after her,
she escapes into the matrix and then it kind of
like starts the movie.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Basically, she scapes out of the matrix.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
She escapes out of the matrix. Yeah, whoa, what if
the real life was also the Matrix? And then that's
what the next sequels are.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Well, I always just thought it would be, especially after
if you watch just the first movie, you're like, well,
what if it's backwards? What if the matrix or the
real world in the movie, is the matrix.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Going to trap free thinkers in there because they are
a threat to journalism and media? Exactly? Now you're thinking
like a Republican.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I just rolled off the tongue.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
You are in rare form today, and I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
We're gonna escape the Matrix. It's gonna be a great day.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
One of the best of my best people.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I hired a seventeen year old guy who dropped out
of high school the work landscaping.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Get on this. He's, uh, he's gonna escape the Matrix.
But but whatever, I'm sorry that was off color. Okay,
So anyways, Trinity escapes, she goes bye bye. We kind

(26:20):
of see Neo. He's like a hacker programmer dude, and
he's kind of like sketchy. He's like, what is he
is he selling drugs? What is he doing? Software?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Software or something.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, he's like part of these hacker groups and stuff
like that, and he's really good at hacking and doing
all that stuff. He also has a day job at
like a software company doing tech and stuff. He's late
to work and his boss is like, hey, man, like,
you're gonna be fired if you don't start showing up
because work is more important than whatever else you're doing
in life, and and you know's like, yes, sir, yes, sir.

(26:54):
Here's the thing hypothetic. The matrix is using these humans
as batteries, right, So wouldn't you say that in order
to use a battery to the longest extent, you want
it as at least worked as possible technically, like not over?
I mean, yeah, so why would you make your batteries
work nine to five? But wouldn't I don't have to

(27:17):
put them all in Hawaii?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Right, But wouldn't The more active you are, wouldn't the
more electrical signal you output?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Like, the more active your brain is, the more electrical
signals that's outputting, And that's what they're taking, right.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
True, But I don't think an office job in a
cubicle necessarily provokes a correct amount of firing of synapses
and in terms of like hunting a wild boar, you
know what I mean. Like, I think there's a difference.
There's a different level of stimulation where it's like mind
and body and not soul crushing, like time to open

(27:53):
Microsoft Excel for the ninetieth time today and put these numbers.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
But yeah, it's such a it's probably such a negligible difference.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'm not a scientist, no me either, I'm not a matrixologist,
so yeah that works.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Metrologist.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
So anyways, these dudes come after Neo and they're like
agents and they're gonna come and kidnap him, and so
Neo runs away because Morpheus is in his ear. All
of a sudden, He's like, you gotta listen to me
if you want to escape, and so Neo kind of
does that, and then they lose contact and Neo's captured
by these agents and they kind of interrogate him and

(28:34):
they're like, you know, you can work for us and
and be cool government people whatever, and Neo's like, no,
this is not gonna happen. And then they like put
a little pill bug in his stomach and it crawls
in and it's really disgusting.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
You forget about the scene where they're like, what if
you can't speak?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, his mouth turns.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, they close his mouth and he's like, and then
I put this thing in. Do you like my impression
of a guy like can't screen because his mouth closed.
It's pretty good. Anyways, they take him. Neo wakes up.
He's like, well, thank god, that was all a dream,
and the morphous contacts him again and he's like, oh, yeah,

(29:14):
by the way, like I'll meet me, and then, you know,
still thinks it was dream, even though the guy who
was in his trade came in contacted the next day.
This guy's a genius programmer, dude, and just the dots
just weren't connected there for some reason. He was like,
this is completely a coincidence. And and uh. Anyways, they

(29:34):
go and they meet Morpheus, but they take the pill
bug out of his stomach and then like suck it
out in a vacuum and toss it away, and he
meets Morpheus. They give him the choice basically red pill,
blue pill, green pill, bluefish, redfish one too.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
You see how deep the rabbit hole goes?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, probably the most famous scene and I just I
like to wonder metaphor.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, the white Rabbit.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Know what little literary device that is? Literally no, I
literally don't know what literary device that is.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Metaphor.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I think it's metaphor, but I don't know because I
didn't really pay attention to English.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Be a metaphor, yeah, yeah, yeah, the metaphor for.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
What he's doing or is it a simile?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I don't think. I think he needs to go back
to three eleven. This is rough.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Uh on amatopia automatopoia.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh yeah, hyperbole?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Uh m hmm. What else is there? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I know about the history stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, so Serbia and Austria, Astro Hungry.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Actually, yeah, the Balkan states, you know, we know, we
know all about the Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Back to the history.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
That's gets because I had Keeler for a history teacher,
and I really like you too, as we sat in
the same seat in that class, don't like because you
had it before me, right.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, and also in photography too. We're kind of connected
way before we even knew each other. We sat in
the same seats in the same class, Like knew where
the best part to sit in the room was and
sat there like before we even knew each other, like
kind of interesting, Yeah, we were meant to be lovers.

(31:27):
I wonder how Brooklyn's gonna like that one.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I hope she's not watching.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
So anyways, Neo goes into the matrix, out of the matrix,
and out of the matrix quite a few times. He
wakes up in his pillbug states or whatever, basically being
suckled by tubes and they're draining the batteries. He sees
like all of humanity and civilization has been putting there
since birth or whatever. And yeah, they're basically powering the

(31:52):
machines because in the war against Man and Machine they
basically realized that all the machines were taking power from
the sun. The humans like destroyed the sun and blocked
out the sun, so that basically, like the sky basically
that the robots couldn't get any power. But that didn't
work at all for reasons unexplained, and basically now all

(32:13):
of humanity is display of decided from a couple of
cities and random little underground time tunnels and towns and stuff.
They didn't really explain a lot how they get food
down there, Hey.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, but that's explained more in the later Matrix ones
when they're actually in the cities.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, and they make it out to be like there's
not lots of humanity left, but there is quite a
bit of people left, especially like it's a third one. Yeah, direction,
I'm sure that's the number four Reloaded and Revelation or no.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, reloaded is for resurrections. Just I don't remember the
order anyway, there's I think there's four movies. But I mean,
I also find it plausible that they would be freeing
more people.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Well then he does, but like there's a large people
who were already pre pre but all and also though
not just people who are who are freed, but then
also like like Tank and Dozer, they're not they never
were in the matrix originally, they were naturally born outside
the matrix.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So that also helps too.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm trying to figure out how to
expedite this. Basically, Neo goes into the Matrix. He's and
in and out. He starts learning how to fight and
do kung fu and crazy stuff. He go sees an
oracle and the oracles. The oracles like, hey, you know,
you have the skills of the guy who's gonna be

(33:36):
like the uh like the savior of us, but you're
not him. You're not him, buddy. Maybe if you were
reborn you'd be him, but you're just not him. And
a little bit of exposition there or like like a
tiny little like what what would we call it, Like
it's a little sneak peek? I guess why can't they think.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Of the word you're going for here?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Anyways, she's she's says like, listen, maybe if you're reborn
or like in another life, you know what I mean,
which is gonna be like a little hint towards what
happens shadowing, foreshadowing that's another term. Yeah. Anyways, God, I'm
off today, man. So anyways, he goes there, they get

(34:21):
attacked by more of these agents and stuff like that. Uh,
you know, we realize one of the crew inside of
the ship as Morpheus's ship is basically like turned and
made a deal with the agents to go back and
cipher and he wants to go live a better life
in the Matrix and in exchange, she'll get them Morpheus

(34:42):
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
So he does this.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Morpheus is captured, but before Neo can be killed, Basically,
they escape and get back onto the ship, and then
he goes into the Matrix to go save Neo. You know,
Trinity's like, nah, man, this is a death mission. He's like,
I don't care. I'm Giano Reeves. And and basically he
goes back into the Matrix and he's a badass and

(35:04):
he doesn't could.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Be he could literally be Batman in the matrix.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
He is the Matrixman. Yeah, he's the Matrix Batman.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Doesn't have the money, though he'd be Superman.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It's a matrix. You don't need money, you know what
I mean. Well, he can bend it. That that's very true.
Much like you can bend anything to your will with
enough money.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Very true. What's your superpower?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm rich? Yeah. So, basically they go into the Matrix
to save Morpheus. They save Morpheus, but while that's happening,
all these pill bugs I'm gonna call them pill bugs
or sentinels, the robotic bugs basically are attacking the ship.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
They get Morpheus, they escape.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Blah blah blah blah blah. Agent Smith attacks them as
they escape, and everyone escapes, but Neo so Neo Neo
fights the agent. Basically, he starts running away because this
is super scary. Then he gets killed and Trinity's like, no,
you can't be dead, because apparently the one I love
is supposed to be the one who saves the world

(36:04):
and stuff like that, and I love you. Basically, it's
a little premature. All they did was meat kick some
ass together, and now they're in love. It's a black leather.
It's probably the black leather. There's so much of it
that with enough sunglasses, with enough ray bands and black leather,

(36:24):
you can make anyone fall in love. And essentially she
like kisses him and like that kiss revives Neo or whatever. Yeah, exactly,
and and Neo becomes back. And then this fulfills the
prophecy of the Oracle, which means like, hey, this is
a new life for Neo, and now he understands the matrix,

(36:45):
because something about dying and waking up gives you clarity,
doesn't it. And but here's the thing. If we're going
with that logic, then anyone who theoretically died in the
matrix and he's resuscitated with technical see the matrix. No,

(37:07):
because because all he did was when his heart restarted,
and that heart restart gave him the ability to see
the matrix and stuff because.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
He was Was that just because it was him or
was it you know what I mean, Like, I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Because they because here's the thing, here's the problem. They see,
he's the one because there's a prophecy as someone who
was in the matrix who's gonna escape and do this
and that and that, and the oracle says so because
they says say so. But they don't show any actual
oside that he's good at programming. They don't show any

(37:41):
actual indication as to why is this guy the actual person.
He's just the one. He's the one. Trusts us he's
the one. But okay, an ancient oracle said it, and
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
The the thing we learned later on is that the
oracle is actually part of the matrix. She's basically similar
to the agents, right, and so she's basically the matrix
way of kind of.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Controlling the.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Matrix, but she's controlling the narrative sort of, or one
of the ways that the matrix controls the narrative.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
And so.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
To me, it kind of makes sense that that the
matrix would would do that if it was you know
what I mean, like, and I mean The difference between
like a normal person who's loved their whole life and
the matrix dying and then being coming back versus Neo
is that Neo has been outside.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Of the matrix, right, but so is everyone else? No, well, sorry,
a lot.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Of a lot of them have well not like normal people,
but even your your other people, they don't. They don't
get revived. So that's really the only part that's different
is that he gets viot.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, maybe if the other thing the logic too,
that it's like if you die in the matrix, you
die outside of the matrix too. But but like, why
aren't they able to bring anyone else back? I mean, well,
everyone else died, they weren't able to.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, I don't that one. I can't explain. That's why
he's the one.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, he's the one zero one zero one zero zero one.
That's good. That's good. Come on, that's hilarious. You give
me no credit. And that was actually like a really
good joke. That was good. See you're not showing it,
but you know right now, like that's kind of that
makes you.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
A little excited.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
You're like, oh, this is this guy gets it.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'll say, I just I really like the Oracle, because
like when you hear oh, we're going to see the Oracle,
you expect it to be like in a dingy cave
somewhere and yeah, something like that. No, it's just an
old lady baking cookies in her in her kitchen and
smoking a cigarette. It's just there's something about it. It's
just so unexpected and yet it fits so well.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, Anyways, Neo's revived. You can see the matrix. He
defeats the agents and now he knows the secrets to
everything basically, and he flies off into sunset being like, oh, yeah,
I'm coming for you because I'm Batman, and and yeah.
That's the end of the movie, and it kind of
sets up the next one's pretty well. This is a

(40:16):
good one, where like sometimes you see a movie and
you're like, this deserved a sequel. This one deserved a sequel.
It deserved to be like a little trilogy. Did it
deserve the twenty twenty one spin off? No, actually it's
not even spinoff. It's like an other sequel.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So it's like she's in the story.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
So I'm not too sure about that one.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I don't know. I I it suffered the.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Problem that every franchise suffers more money, more money, and
it just gets too convluent and just too big and
grand and and you know what, they try and.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Do so many things.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
It's like, honestly, like you can't beat a movie that
was made because it was a good script, a good
original script with a low budget, or well not low,
but like low sixty million is a decent budget, but
it's not a three hundred million dollar movie, you know
what I mean? Like it's sure, it like because for

(41:13):
a movie like that, to get a budget for an
original movie, it has to be a good movie, or
it has to have potential. But it doesn't take that
much to get a franchise. You don't have to go
with they you don't have to go and say, here,
I have this idea for a sequel. They say, we
want you to do a sequel so we can make

(41:33):
more money again, right, And so it's not made because
they have a story. It's made because they want more money.
Generally not always, of course, but and I think that's
just what happened. I mean, they did, they did the
best they could the next you know couple, but I
think it just generally goes down.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Hell sure, yeah, no, I agree. I think this is
probably the highest grossing one.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Honestly, I'm pretty sure it is, and it's the best
one in my opinion. I mean, you can't beat beat
the matrix.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I mean, just what sci fi should be. Yeah, it's
it's like, it's a real solid sci fi. It's it's
thought provoking. It's obviously realistic enough that people want to
talk about it and bring it into examples of their
own day to day life. Right. So yeah, it's it's
just thought provoking. Uh, sci fi with kind of themes

(42:26):
of like choice or the illusion of choice, things like that, and.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
A bit steampunk or cyberpunk in a way too.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And I think about that too sometimes when I watch
but that's anything with Kenna Reeves. Honestly, I just think
it's cyberpunk immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Well but like it's just I don't know, it's just yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, no, it is. It is super interesting and honestly,
like it does a does a good job of being
that kind of thought inducing kind of kind of thing,
and more movies should be like that. You should take
something away from it. This movie takes helps you take
some stuff away, right. Uh. You mentioned the screenplay. The

(43:07):
studio called it the script Nobody understands is what the
title was like to them. I read that on IMDb.
They called it the script Nobody Understands, and Laurence Fishburne
called it smart. This is So those are the difference
between between those I said, carry and Moss did at
their own wirestunts herself, which is pretty cool. By two

(43:29):
thousand and two, okay, so this is three years after
the movie came out, there was over twenty different films
and TV shows that had parodied the Bullets time sequence
where meet where?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I mean, that's over, that's even in Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that is so iconic. Yeah, so yeah, that happened. Yeah,
let's see fourteen drafts of the screenplay, which isn't crazy
because lots of movies like the script undergoes like but
I just wanted to point that out. It's a good
topic of conversation, even lots of scripts and people don't notice,

(44:05):
like you don't. You don't write a script and it's
it's ready to go, like you have to go through
and then as you find the money and stuff, you
have to change certain things. And once you realize we
can't do this, can't do that, you have to keep
rewriting it and tuning it, and then you have to
make shooting the scripts and stuff right, So it's not
it's not all sunshine and rainbows in terms of writing, right.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I remember we were doing set protocol training with Kenny Chaplin, yes,
and he was showing us the scripts and it's like, oh,
the blue draft and the blue version, the green version,
just like you know how many different colors of you know,
scripts and everything they have.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
And I'm like, yeah, Kenny, uh, you know Laurence Fishbird
and said Morpheus to him is like Obi Wan and
Darth Vader combined. Kind of interesting. Yeah, And he also
said he was scared when he first saw Morpheus on screen.
He was a little startled. He was like, whoa, so
you go. That's kind of all I have for facts

(44:58):
in terms of like and dislike. I like how the
prophecy comes true because at first you kind of like
you almost hate her in a way, like she's a
cool character. Well then she tells Neo that he's not
the one, and that's kind of frustrating as a viewer
because again we keep following this story of oh, he's
the one, he's supposed to be the one, and we
don't necessarily know exactly why he's undred present the one

(45:19):
other than he's good at programming and some other stuff.
So we're like, okay, and then they tell us he's
not the one, and we're like, oh, that's kind of
shitty too, because you just kind of threw it on
our face that he was supposed to be the one
because everyone else and like his mentors are calling him
the one. So it's a little bit better when you
know what I mean, when they finally kind of show

(45:40):
us that he's the one. Yeah, and it's good that
the prophecy comes true in his new life. Right. It's powerful,
it's thought provoking. Too much black leather.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Carrie Ann Moss is involved. You can't have enough black leather, jeez.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I mean, that's kind of what I have. I think
The Matrix is really great, and I think I think
there's not many movies that their their sole premise has
become rooted in people's almost identities in a in a way,
because there's a lot of people who every conversation you
have with them is just like, oh, yeah, because the
love of the world is the Matrix, and that's why

(46:18):
this right, it's like whoa Okay, and I think it's
an important thing to kind of think about as we
go into a new age. But like you know, as
as we start going into an era of AI and
and certain digital media right where you see like whole
newscasts that are made with AI, and it's just like

(46:39):
all of a sudden, reporters says, they're like, yeah, well
i'm faf by the way, I'm not I'm not real.
And it's like, oh, that's very interesting, right because obviously
not everyone can discern the ability between like AI and stuff, right,
So it's it's a thought provoking thing when you when
you kind of compare, like.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh, I think it's it also serves as a warning, right,
like be careful what you do? Mm hm, like be
careful with what what access you give and everything like that,
like what be careful?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Sure, And I think here's the thing, especially for people
who who take everything they see and just believe it,
which is a very dangerous thing to do. But it's
super easy to when it's thrown in your face. Right.
But but you shouldn't. You should not do that by
any means, right, But a lot of people do. They
should In my opinion, it should be like legally required

(47:31):
that if you make an AI video or even just
use a bit of AI extra help, like like in
The Brutalist, you know how they used AI to like
trying to Yeah. Yeah, it should be mandatory to say
that in the credits or something in the description that
says AI was used to make or had a part
in making this, whether big or small, it should be
legally required because I think that's super important, especially like

(47:54):
older people or as AI gets better and better, it's
not going to be older people who can't figure it out.
It's going to be every single person. And this isn't
this isn't in for a hat conspiracy theory, it's just
in fact, it's just the nature I mean, right, like the.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Improvement we've seen in Deep Fake. Sure in the last
two years.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Sure astronomical, and I don't think it's going to be
as terrible world endings as people make it out to be,
but but it is significant, right, And so I think
I think it's important that there should be some kind
of legal requirement that if you make an AI video
you have to specify its AI.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
It's hard to enforce that, obviously, especially with platforms like Instagram, YouTube,
TikTok all the social media stuff, I think for films, absolutely,
and that's that's easy to enforce. Like you say, a
I should be credited the same way you credit your
actors and your writers.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Right, you're right in between where it says no animals
were harmed in the making this film, and all the
log just says like thank you chat CHPT for writing
the script.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Like no, no, yeah, And that's easy to enforce. And
I could get behind something like that with the right
you know, specifics obviously, but yeah, Like I definitely think
that that there needs to be more give them education,
and like there's certain ones where you can tell but

(49:17):
like I think I think thing about some of the
ones I've seen, and I'm like, if I showed this
to my grandpa, what would he be able to tell?
Like if I showed him two videos by side, would
he be able to tell me which one's AI? And
it's not nothing, it's not anything against him. It's just
that he grew up in a different era, right, And

(49:37):
and it's just.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I don't know, it's it's not gonna be who's old
or young or anything anymore. It's it's going to be
really like you're gonna have to study it and look
at it and take everything with a grain of salt,
because it's it's unfortunate and not that you shouldn't be
doing that already anyways, but it's heightened, right, And again,
it it's not it's not tinfoil hat conspiracy. It's it's

(50:03):
just the fact that it's not gonna end the world. Well,
it's not gonna end the world. You know, it's a tool,
but it's it's it's something that you have to use
carefully and be cognizant.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I remember, I've been getting an ad lately where they're
interviewing this guy's interviewing Mark Carney and she's like, oh, yeah,
all Canadians are going to get three thousand dollars whatever,
whatever the whatever the ad is, I don't even I
don't pay much attention to it. Like it's a pretty
decent deep pic. I can tell that it is. But
like the first couple of times I just scroll past it.

(50:33):
Sure I was, I was like, oh he's what. I'm
curious what he's saying. I'm like, you know what I mean,
Like there there was a few seconds or a few
you know whatever where I was like, this is real,
and but I mean ten years ago, if you saw
an ad with the Prime minister in it, you know
you weren't questioning whether it was AI.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
No, you knew that was a prime minister talking. I
even't see I see videos of like Trumpe ands off
on my feet and I'm like, that looks like AI.
It's it's it's weird too. I hyper analyze it where
I'm like, that looks like AI. But then I look
up I'll look it up on a bunch of different
sources and it's one hundred percent real, And I was like,
why did I think that clip was AI? Yep, Well
maybe it comes down to the individual too, where you're like,

(51:13):
this can't be real. But but no, it's just like
it's just like like anything in politics is going to
be like that in journalism and media, it's just like
it's like, okay, we have to take a step back, breathe.
And it's not infringing free speech to have to mandatory
say that you used AI. It should just it should
it should just be a requirement. First. It's a common

(51:35):
decency first of all, because it should be illegal to
misinform people intentionally, right it I mean people are stupid,
so like people will always like find a way to
its right. People aren't stupid. I'm sorry, people are stupid.
People are stupid, but everyone I can say one thing
in a room of one hundred people, one hundred highly
intelligent people, and and everyone will interpret it in a

(51:58):
different way. Chances are right, or to some varying levels
of degree, So you know, not as like a requirement
for people who can't discern that, but but just as
a general requirement in terms of decency so that you're
not misleading people. Hey, we used AI to make this.

(52:21):
This is the AI we use.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
And I mean that could just that could honestly even
be a that's gonna sound kind of funny, but like
if your YouTube's and tiktoks of the world created systems
whereby they had AI analyze videos to maybe try and
detect AI the YouTube thing and stands.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Every video uploaded to make sure that there's like no
swearing or copywriter or anything to see if you can
be monitored.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
It's it. It's not always good, it's it's fairly good.
But it would be so easy to implement an AI
to do that, just to say, hey, we detected AI
in the yeah, body and it.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Doesn't even need to be anything.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
It just needs to be like a little information the
top left that says AI generate enter and AI was
was automatically detected if you believe this is an error
whatever exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
And I think that's helpful for a large group of people,
and it should be. It should be, in my opinion,
a legal requirement. Not we shouldn't legalize banning AI or
anything like that, because no, I can see how it's
helpful for people. And as a tool. I don't personally
really use AI for anything in my life, Like I'm
gonna be honest, like I mean, other than like YouTube
algorithms and stuff, I don't spend a lot of time

(53:31):
using AI right now. I don't have much use for it.
But I guess AI generated the subtitles I use those
right so in my video work. Sure. But but it's
like it should just it should just be.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
A requirement and brought its just It's just like with
journalism and stuff like I do not envy all in
the reporters and stuff that like somebody sends me like, oh,
look at what Trump said, and they're like, holy crap,
this this is crazy or whatever, and then they get
digging it. Oh, it's a I like, right that, like
I said ten years ago, that wasn't You might dig

(54:07):
to find out more context or verify, but you weren't
digging to see if it was fake.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And I would argue with that point that you just
made it is actually the single worst thing for productivity ever.
AI is invented as this thing that like, Oh, it's
gonna be great for productivity because it's going to streamline
all these things. But now we're spending so much time
analyzing the AI content. Yes, but it is taking us
away from our actual day to day stuff and actually

(54:35):
matters because we're trying to figure out if it's real,
which is the biggest detriment to productivity in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Well, I mean, like if I in certain things, it
is like when you said mentioned video subpedals, Doing AI
video subpedals is.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
A lot faster, it's procked.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
But like if I let's say I'm in university of
high school and I go to chat GPT and say,
write me an essay on insert book title here or whatever.
I can't just turn that in. I have to go
through and read it to make mom is a teacher.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, And she's seen some of that, but she's seen
some of that. Like what they think I'm still in If.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
You're going to use well, if you're going to do
it properly, yes, you're gonna have to go through and
you're gonna have to change it. I mean like when
like when you're using it for like programming stuff, Like
I've used a little bit for programming stuff. Sure, I
still go through and change a lot of a lot
of the stuff to match the rest of my program
or my personal kind of redefend.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, like you know.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
My variable names and stuff like that, all the different things, right,
Like the structure is still there, but I'm still changing things,
but I also have to go through and make sure
it's still all works. So, like you say, we're spending
so much time checking it that it's.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Exactly It's like it's like, Okay, it's great for productivity
here here and here, But if I'm spending ten minutes
trying to figure out if what Donald Trump said last
night was real or AI, well, I'm taking away time
from when I could actually like taking it necessarily face value. Again,

(56:02):
you should always do your research. You should always do
your digging, regardless of AI tanking or now you have
to do both, but now you have to do both exactly.
And that's a very good point, and and it's just
it's just it's one of those things where unfortunately it's
taken away from there. And I just think, I just
think it should be a legal requirement that you have
to specify AI use the best of your ability as

(56:24):
an knowledge and just it just it just makes sense,
even if you used AI to color grade it just
it should be a requirement just because there's there's a
lot of misinformation going around in the world like oh,
this is going to be a doomsday device and and
this is the end of the world. It's not going
to be. I mean, it might, it might, it might

(56:45):
have a factor in every night, but there's there's enough
oopla around around it that it should just be your
requirement to ease people's consciousness. I don't lay awake at
a night being like, oh God, the AI is going
to be taking over me. I don't again, I'd rather
spend my time focusing on positive things that are actually
going to benefit me. But you can't deny that there's

(57:09):
such a large group of people who are genuinely scared
and they should be scared of some things, right, it
just makes sense. But but again, to use a little
bit of tension. If it was required that you had
to specify AI, use you know what what a weight
off the shoulders, that would be use the AI to
tell you you're using AI. But whatever, Yeah, whatever. I didn't

(57:34):
want to go into it too much. We went into
it far enough.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's a large DESI if we've been at this for
about an hour now, so we should probably yeah, probably
wrap this up pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, Okay, couple couple more things I like going back
to the movie. Yes, I really like the way they
create like a mood sort of. I just find like
the set design, the coloring, costams, it's just there's just
a mood, Like even when they're in the matrix, it's

(58:06):
just there's a mood, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Sure, and well most of it was shot in Sydney, Australia, Okay,
and it has like the American urban feel. But yeah,
and in fun fact that helicopters seeing that, like like
when they jumped through it, they actually were flying and
restricted Sydney airspace and they almost got the whole film
canceled as a result. Yep, So that happened, but yeah,

(58:30):
it was shot in Sydney, Australia. Never would have thought
of that. Hey looks like New York.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, is in New York? Is that they never specify?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
I think it's I think it's it's probably New York
Manhattan or that part of Boston. I don't know very well.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Okay, well we're gonna let that sit for a second.
But what was your next point? Oh?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I remember now stunts? Sure, in the fight scenes.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I really like the way that they kind of slowly
progress from being like slightly enhanced to like full on.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Wire stunts enhanced as he slowly learns.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, it's all of a sudden, it's just like a
CGI vomit of him, like like and I don't I
don't mean that as like it looks bad. I just
mean it as like the whole world like melts around
him as he absorbs it. Right, Yeah, I like, I
think it looks great. I the CGI vomit doesn't sound good,
I guess when you say it, But I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the points I had for this movie.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, I think you know, Johanna Reeves actually underwent like
like next surgery and spinal surgery two months before filming. Really, yeah,
because he was losing his ability to walk because of
like some sort of shit that happened. This is like,
this is powerful shit. And and he went to the
surgery and during recovery he kept asking to train and

(01:00:12):
they didn't want him to train because they wanted him
to rest. But he kept asking to train. And that's
why he hardly ever kicks is because they focused on
light blunges and stuff like that for his training. Yeah,
in this movie, that's why he hardly ever kicks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yeah, yeah, rate it, scratch it and get out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Rate it, scratch it and get out. Eight. I agree.
It is a perfect rating for the matrix. It's a good,
solid movie. It's a very good solid movie. Actually, do
I go eight and a half? No, No, I'm fine
with eight. I'm fine with eight. It is a very
good movie that you cannot you can art, you can't

(01:00:52):
argue that. It's a huge part of a pop culture history, right, Okay,
you want to scratch it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I forgot to grab keys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Hold on, my keys are on the table over there.
Oh he wants to use his keys, mister fancy pants.
We have to scratch off too. Indiana Jones and The Matrix.
Jones first, like, I feel like a sad friend watching

(01:01:26):
his his buddy open all of his birthday gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Pardon me?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
What is that hat? And the whip for the Raiders
of the Lost Dark the Matrix, You're right, it's the
pills pills, Barry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
What are the lines on the pills?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
It's like sad skyline? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Cool, cool, let's show the camera. We got the Matrix
over here, and then over here we have Indiana Jones. Yeah,
that's our top one hundred movie posters as we review them.
What is that now? Like? Thirteen fourteen for us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Went two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten eleven, twelve,
thirteen fourteen close.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That is awesome. Thank you for watching another live episode
of the Viewing Room. I don't know where he left.
Oh he's doing I'm doing the outrou Okay, thank you
guys so much for watching the live episode of The
Uniterman as we did Matrix today. It was a great
time and I think we had lots to talk about.

(01:02:41):
Let us know in the comments how you felt about it.
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Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Bye.

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