June 14, 2025 • 54 mins
This week, Dr. Prather talks about how Aerobic Exercise and External CounterPulsation (ECP) Therapy are treatments that benefit every patient and all types of Cardiovascular Disease. In this episode, you'll find out:
—Why Dr. Prather calls ECP Therapy and Aerobic Exercise "the panacea for Cardiovascular Disease".
—The amount of Aerobic Exercise each person needs to prevent or reverse Cardiovascular Disease. (And why everyone reading this probably does not measure up!)
—The story of how ECP Therapy was designed by Harvard decades ago to do Aerobic Exercise for patients who couldn't even walk across the room without losing their breath. Plus, how long-distance runners are using ECP to help set new records.
—How Dr. Prather called the FDA to ask if it would be OK for him to offer ECP Therapy to his patients and was actually encouraged by them to do this therapy in his office.
—The "amazing" safety record of ECP Therapy that has NEVER had a single injury reported in decades of use.
—The screening Dr. Prather does on patients prior to ECP Therapy for potential contraindications to ensure patient safety.
—Why Cardiologists refer for ECP Therapy after everything else has been tried. And how everyone who has been referred to Dr. Prather for it has lived.
—The conditions that benefit from ECP Therapy, including: Angina, Congestive Heart Failure, Atherosclerosis, Hypertension, Kidney Disease, Restless Leg Syndrome, Diabetes, Cognitive Brain Function, and Erectile Dysfunction.
—How Natalie and John came to see Dr. Prather without an appointment after leaving two different hospitals. And how Dr. Prather was able to provide John relief from pain that very first day.
—The details about Dr. Prather's upcoming free educational seminar, "Diabetes Decoded: A Holistic Look At Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes" on Wednesday, June 25th at 6:30 p.m.
http://www.TheVoiceOfHealthRadio.com
—Why Dr. Prather calls ECP Therapy and Aerobic Exercise "the panacea for Cardiovascular Disease".
—The amount of Aerobic Exercise each person needs to prevent or reverse Cardiovascular Disease. (And why everyone reading this probably does not measure up!)
—The story of how ECP Therapy was designed by Harvard decades ago to do Aerobic Exercise for patients who couldn't even walk across the room without losing their breath. Plus, how long-distance runners are using ECP to help set new records.
—How Dr. Prather called the FDA to ask if it would be OK for him to offer ECP Therapy to his patients and was actually encouraged by them to do this therapy in his office.
—The "amazing" safety record of ECP Therapy that has NEVER had a single injury reported in decades of use.
—The screening Dr. Prather does on patients prior to ECP Therapy for potential contraindications to ensure patient safety.
—Why Cardiologists refer for ECP Therapy after everything else has been tried. And how everyone who has been referred to Dr. Prather for it has lived.
—The conditions that benefit from ECP Therapy, including: Angina, Congestive Heart Failure, Atherosclerosis, Hypertension, Kidney Disease, Restless Leg Syndrome, Diabetes, Cognitive Brain Function, and Erectile Dysfunction.
—How Natalie and John came to see Dr. Prather without an appointment after leaving two different hospitals. And how Dr. Prather was able to provide John relief from pain that very first day.
—The details about Dr. Prather's upcoming free educational seminar, "Diabetes Decoded: A Holistic Look At Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes" on Wednesday, June 25th at 6:30 p.m.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, I'm Lisa Praither and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Praither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. Well, we're going to talk today about ECP
external counterpulsation therapy and aerobic exercise the panacea for cardiovascular disease.
(00:36):
Dutch brather, what's a panacea?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Panacea is some type of a treatment that works on everything. Okay,
so it's an all encompassing type of a treatment.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So why is aerobic exercise a panacea for cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, one of the things is they publish what is
a treatment that works for a sort type of condition,
And there are all sorts of different things when you're
talking about cardiovascular disease on different types of treatments that
have been proven, well documented, scientifically looked at. And that
means that people actually disagreed and then came up to
(01:15):
a conclusion and basically everybody says, yes, this works. And
if you look at that, every single cardiovascular disease out
there is helped by aerobic exercise. It's just standard. There
isn't anything that doesn't show up that aerobic exercise can
cure cardiovascular disease, and it is one of the top
(01:37):
things that has been shown to be of benefit. So
aerobic exercise. If you want to know how to keep
from having cardiovascular disease, aerobic exercise. Aerobic exercise, and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Aerobic exercise is the answer is the answer.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So what is the necessary amount of aerobic exercise to
prevent cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, what they found is that everyone needs about an
hour of aerobic exercise a day and at least five
days a week. So the problem with that is that
we as Americans don't get aerobic exercise five days a week.
For an hour we drive cars, you know, so people
(02:21):
where they walk all those types of things don't have
all the conveniences, all the things that we have here,
they do not have cardiovascular disease.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So one hour, five days a week, Right, I got
some work to do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, oh yeah, tell me about it. I know how
that goes. I'm right there.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So what amount of exercises necessary to reverse cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now, the problem with that is that most of the
people who really need it said, you know, I walked
to the end of the hallway and I'm worn out.
And that's not enough. So I sat there I said, no, no, no, no.
What we need you to do is to run five
miles a day a four minutes smile. And you know
they look at me like I got two heads on me. Yeah,
(03:09):
it's like, yeah, that would be great, doctor, But to
actually get a reversal of that, you need more than
just the average type of aerobic exercise.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And people are even having a hard time moving.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Right, so you know it becomes a very very difficult
type of situation. So what is the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, let's talk about ECP. What is ECP and how
does it work?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes, ECP, external counterpulsation therapy is an aerobic exercise device.
So if you can't do the aerobic exercise, how do
we get this accomplished? So back about sixty years ago,
Harvard Medical University did some research on that and came
(03:55):
up with a device to imitate aerobic exercise for an individual.
So what they did is they created pressure cuffs. They
would go up and down the legs and on the
pelvis and when the heart goes in to rest, then
there would be a squeezing of those pressure cuffs and
it would provide the blood to actually go back up
(04:18):
to the heart, which is imitating what occurs with aerobic exercise,
only at about a ten times greater amount of returning
to the blood to the heart ten times benefit. So
for every hour that you are on the ecpiece Goues,
what you do is you lay down, hook that up
(04:38):
and then it squeezes the legs. You get about ten
times the benefit of actually going out and running for
an hour. So what they state on the ECP is
we usually do that for an hour five days a week. Again,
remember we said it had to be five days a
week for at least an hour. And what what that
(05:00):
does is that gives far far more benefit than if
you were just going out running and it's for seven weeks.
Thirty five treatments is what they found works, and that
provides the same benefit as five years of marathon training
for aerobic exercise. So what you do is you get
a very compressed amount of return on your investment, far
(05:21):
more than if you were actually going out and running.
Matter of fact, in the Olympics, Americans, as they're being
trained for the Olympics, one of the things that they
use is the external counterpulsation therapy to increase their aerobic exercise.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Capability increase their performance.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It increases their performance and matter of fact, one of
the things that they found it was actually featured in
Runners World, how we had made such an improvement because
all of a sudden on the long distance types of
runs in the Olympics, all of a sudden, we were
doing so much better. And they were wondering why they
went in there and looked at it, found out about
the ECP and how much of a benefit actually occurs
(06:01):
by doing that, and many, many runners throughout the United
States are actually now using ECP to improve their aerobic exercise.
So this is something that basically helps anyone, and those
especially who are in a situation where they cannot do
(06:21):
aerobic exercise on their own physically, this provides an incredible
amount of a benefit towards their health and wellbeing and
reversing their cardiovascular disease. No one disagrees that aerobic exercise
is probably the most important thing that you could possibly
do to reverse your cardiovascular disease. And what's nice about
(06:46):
that is you can get the most benefit from the
ECP than any other form of aerobic exercise.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And we have an external pulsation therapy device at our
office at Badistic Integration. We have been very beneficial for patients,
very beneficial. Well, talk a little bit about the history
of the ECP. Yes, you said sixty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes, it was actually started sixty years ago, and it
was actually even featured in Wall Street Journal as something
that would be revolutionary to the cardiovascular treatments. So every
cardiologist in the United States had access to external counterpulsation therapy.
Matter of fact, there was external counterpulsation therapy treatment places
(07:32):
that were put up throughout the United States. The reason
is is that was considered as a great type of
leap forward in cardiovascular treatments because we had not really
been successful in actually reversing that. So they started to
do that and one of the things that they would
look at is was there any type of adverse reactions
(07:53):
with the ECP, And in the time that they were
doing that, they had found absolutely no injuries that were
associated with it, so they dropped it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So they dropped it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yes, ok because there were no negative effects. That makes
perfect sense, doesn't No? Okay, let me explain. So you
have insurance actually covers what's called disease care. So disease
care if you don't have a possibility of any type
of adverse reaction with it. Then it is not disease care,
(08:30):
that structure function care because structure function care is taking
someone and bringing the body back to greater health. So
they realized that this was not under disease care and
therefore it is not reimbursable. So it then needs to
go under structure function care, and they stopped all insurance payments.
(08:53):
When they stopped all insurance payments. Also, because you are
a cardiologist, you are involved in disease care, you can't
do structure function care. So it was completely dropped and
not utilized it anymore because there were no risks to
doing ECP, and so we no longer have it here
(09:15):
Now in other countries, that is a standard type of
the treatment in India. It is also the standard treatment
in China, Japan, and quite a few countries throughout the
world for cardiovascular for cardiovascular disease with amazing types of results.
And so in the United States it is no longer
allowed for cardiologists actually to be involved in treating.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
That okay with the ECP.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, interesting, so why isn't it used anymore? Is this
the main reason? Because it is.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Actually, it's an interesting little story, and my story particularly
can really show up what that's actually doing.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Then when we come back, let's hear that story.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
All right, Okay, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (13:15):
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(13:37):
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You're listening to the Voice of Health with doctor Robert
Praiser of Holistic Integration, the most comprehensive wellness center in
the Midwest. So we're talking about ECP and aerobic exercise.
The panacea for cardiovascular disease. ACP stands for external counterpulsation therapy,
(14:56):
a device that we have at Holistic Integration. Dot you
bray there, tell us your story and how you got
involved with the ECP.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I had a patient who had severe cardiovascular disease and
justi heart failure, and I said, well, you know what
you really need to do is get some ECP because
there aren't really medications. There isn't effective means of treating
that except the only one that's been proven to be
effective is external counterpulsation therapy. So I gave him some information.
(15:29):
He went to his cardiologist, and his cardiologists couldn't At
the time, I thought he wouldn't do it, which you know,
perplexed me, and so I started calling up some of
my friends who are cardiologists, and one of them I
talked to him and said, hey, this person really needs
external counterpulsation therapy and he says, you know, I agree
(15:49):
with you. One hundred percent. This is the only treatment
that actually works for him. And I said, you have
a unit in that time they did and now none
of them. Do you need to put him on that?
He says, I can't. He said, sure, you can't. He said, no,
you don't understand. I would be in trouble because it
is a structure function care and I'm not allowed to
(16:10):
do that. And he says, you're a structure function doctor.
You buy one and you provide it. And I sat
there and said how expensive are they? And they're very expensive,
and he said, you know, if you're really into this,
you're the one who should be doing it. And so
(16:31):
I didn't know if the FDA would be in line
with that. So I actually called the FDA, got the
person who was in charge of the ECP and he
stated yes. He says, actually, you are perfect for this
because this is a structure function care where you are
looking to balance out the body. It is an aerobic
(16:52):
exercise machine that helps the body to improve its health,
and that is the definition of structure function care. And
we would like you to do it because we know
how important and helpful it would be for the cardiovascular population.
Would you please take it and run with it. So
(17:12):
I got one and we've been using it ever since.
We make sure that everything's all covered and what is
the best course for the patient and is there any
content indications to the ECP in this particular patient, So
we screen that out and then we also then keep
a compilation on the improvements that occurred because of the ECP.
(17:34):
Quite impressed with the changes that are actually occurring and
feel that we can start to publish some research papers
on that to give some vlidity to that and then
help the structure function community to move forward with actually
implementing the ECP on a much more common type of
basis in people's clients. So that's something that again, our
(17:58):
whole idea is we've called ourselves holistic integration holistic where
we're looking at the entire body and a structure function
mean and then integrating with the medical community because we
also realize the needs for different types of things. One
of the things we found on one of the patients
that we saw is that they absolutely needed this surgery
that wasn't scheduled for them, and so that we got
(18:21):
them to move in that direction. Some of the people
are actually needing some pharmaceuticals to work along those lines.
It is not an exclusive type of thing. Again, we
look at this as eighty percent of all care should
be structure function based, twenty percent should be disease care based.
That is the perfect model. We're not in opposition to
(18:41):
the disease care, the pharmaceuticals, the vaccines, surgeries, all those
different types of things. We want to get the best
of both worlds. But we always look at the risk
versus the benefit. And whenever you're talking about a pharmaceutical surgery,
you're talking about risk. With structure function care, by its
very nature, you should not have risk associated with that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So it's the eighty twenty.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Eighty twenty makes complete sense.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So is the ECP safe.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's the amazing thing about it is that there has
never been an injury reported on ECP in all the
years that has been used, and by law, you have
to report anything. So if you have good screenings, we
do have people that we actually say you should not
get the ECP.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, that's when the cardiologist comes in, and that's where
the cardiologist screens along those lines.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yes, and we've had people before that I had screened
and actually before that I always sent them out for
a cardiology review before we would start them on the ECP.
We want to make sure that this is because we
are putting it out that this is completely safe, and
we want to make sure that it is absolutely safe
in each and every condition.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So when do cardiologists refer for ECP?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Now, Well, I actually.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do get referrals for ECP. And basically, when you have
already done everything, none of the medications work, they've done
every surgery that they possibly can, they've done every disease
care intervention, and the person is dying, that's when I
get a referral from a cardiologist for the ECP. And
what's great about that is everyone has actually lived, you know,
(20:17):
in other words, when they thought they were going to die,
it actually turned around for so it's been extremely.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Successful quality of life.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, so it is something that is utilized as a
last resort, but wouldn't it be much better if we
could actually use it before it's a last resort and
see those lives turned around. Now, obviously there are times
for surgeries, there are obviously times for medications, but this
is something that is very safe and always works.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk about
specific conditions that the ECP helps with We'll be right back.
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One of the things we always check for is edema
mm hmm. You know, if people have swelling in the legs,
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(22:23):
usually it's the left one.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
If the left one's swollen.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, is usually kidney disease. If both of them are swollen,
then it's usually involved with cardiovascular disease.
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Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm Lisa Prather, and you're listening to the Voice of
Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we
get to the root cause of your health issue. We're
talking today about ECP and aerobic exercise, the panacea for
cardiovascular disease. ECP standing for external counterpulsation therapy, a device
(25:35):
that we have at Holistic Integration. So let's talk about
the different conditions that ECP helps with. First of all, angina.
How does ECP help with angina?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, everyone acknowledges that ECP helps with angina. Matter of fact,
that was the criteria when they were covering it. That
was the diagnosis that you would use to get ECP covered.
So everyone agrees with that, and basically what it does
is it increases the oxygenation to the heart, and as
you get the oxygenation, it's lowered oxygenation to the heart
(26:09):
that actually causes the angina. So ECP is amazing for
that and has an extremely high success rate with eliminating
angina in patients. So that's kind of the main the
main that is something that as you talk to any
cardiologists and you talk about external conpulsation therapy, they'll say, oh,
(26:31):
that's for my angina patients. So that's something that is
again acknowledged by everyone.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What about congestive heart failure? Can he SEEP help with that?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Now that's an interesting one. So we had a patient too, well,
I mean the first one that I actually recommended to
who couldn't get it in time and actually wound up dying,
which was very sad because everybody loved this man and
I just was really but I couldn't get it in
time to actually be able to.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Be with help.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But congestive heart failure has very little treatments that are available.
So what ECP does is, as it squeezes the legs,
it actually provides oxygenation to the heart, and interestingly enough,
the heart is quite amazing in that it can actually regenerate.
(27:23):
So as an example, I've had several congestive heart patients
who had their hearts twice the size of you know
what they should have been, and we did the ECP
on them for seven weeks, five days a week, and
at the end of it, the cardiologists actually confirmed by
looking at it that the heart had returned to normal
size and the person no longer had congestive heart failure.
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So that's been a very consistent type of a basis
different levels of that, but everyone with congestive heart failure
has improved under ECP, and there are no other treatments
really that are available for that. So that's something that
should be used, and it is under structure function care,
but it is something that needs to really be moved
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on and provided for people because people with congestive heart
failure really have no other hope.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
M H. What about can e CP assist with athrosclerosis?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yes, I have had several patients who were referred by
cardiologists because the patient was not able to get surgery.
So I've had people with ninety nine percent blockage in
arteries to the heart and also to cervical artery. So
you know, you had several different types of cases along
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those lines, and we were able to do ECP, send
them back to the cardiologists, and one person had ninety
percent blockage on one side seventy five percent blockage on
the other was not able to go through the surgery
because they knew that they would die and words it
was completely clear there was absolutely no blockage in the
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arteries after that, And so that's a very consistent type
of thing. And the way that that works, the way
that they actually look at that, because there has been
some studies along those lines, is that when you do
the ECP in the arteries, there's sort of like a
wave that seems to occur in the arteries, is the
idea along those lines. So there's some movement of the
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endothelial area of the artery and as it goes through
that it seems to be breaking up that and then
the body's reabsorbing it. Now, one of the things that
people ask me as well, is there a possibility of stroke?
You know, if you're releasing the black and the build
up in through there and in sixty years again of
ECP doing that, that's never happened. So the body seems
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to be able to reabsorb that. And there's several different
types of studies that we have that have shown and
we've seen it in our own office that there's a
tremendous amount of reduction of athroscrosis associated with doing ECP.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, so helpful for angina, congestive.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Heart failure, athroscrosis.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Again, those are some of the major types of things
that you deal with with the cardiovascular system.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And how does it help with hypertension and how hypertension.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
One of the things that kicks off hypertension is athroscrosis orteroscrosis.
You know, if you get hardening of the arteries, then
that can cause one type of hypertension. So if that's
all cleared up, then you actually reduce the hypertensions associated
with that. Also, if the heart is getting more oxygen,
then it doesn't have to beat his heart, so that
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also reduces the stress on the heart and reduces the
high blood pressure. The other thing we are getting is
that ECP has been very beneficial for kidney function. Not
only does it increase the blood flow to the heart,
but it also increases the blood flow to the kidneys,
and the kidneys oftentimes are the reasons about at least
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seventy percent of all hygh pertension originates there and we
get a very excellent improvement. One thing that we've noticed
is that the glameral filtration rate, which is the measurement
of how effective the heart is, has always increased with
ECP and always a reduction in hypertension that's associated with that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Does it also help with restless legs and syndrome?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
A lot of people have issues with that.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yes, and that's one of the things that we found
out because we had patients who not only had congestive
heart failure but also had wrestless leg and they talked
about how that did a dramatic difference on that and
they were able to sleep. So there was some studies
that were done on restless state syndrome where they did
a sample portion of people with that and found a
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very excellent improvement in quite a few patients. So what
that would oftentimes mean is because we were thinking it
was a neurological condition, but oftentimes it's circulatory that's cut
down on the legs and that actually leads to the
neurological situation. So yes, there's been excellent results in that
is something that can be used for the restless lake syndrome.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And what about diabetes.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That is absolutely a wonderful type of thing because when
you actually use ECP, there is always a correction in
the blood sugar levels because what you're doing is aerobic
exercise always facilitates insulin utilization. So any type of a
blockage along those lines for insulin getting into the cells
are always improved with aerobic exercise, and diabetes has always improved.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Also, what about cognitive brain function, and.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That is also something because a lot of people who
had had strokes or heart attacks or different things like
that have gotten onto ECP, and so they did a
study along those lines and found an improvement pre impost
ECP on cognitive brain function. So people who are having
difficulties along those lines dementia, post heart attack, cognitive problems
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have all improved with the ECP too.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So if someone's listening, what would you recommend for them
that are wondering if they need a scrape, if.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They have cardiovascular diseases, Getting checked for ECP would be
an excellent type of way and an improvement of your
system or even if you're trying to prevent it. It's
an excellent means of actually improving that. Now, one of
the things that we've also found is that a rectile dysfunction,
if it is a circulatory problem, is also improved with ECP.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, now that will get you guys.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All right, Thank you Doctor Prayther.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
As always, thank you luies.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Appreciate CP device that we have out a holistic integration.
Up next, we'll be talking to John and Natalie who
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
We've got a real problem with diabetes. Center these control said,
this is becoming the number one problem that people are experiencing.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Why is diabetes such a fast growing problem?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
One that kind of feeds that is the obesity crisis,
and then of course the sedentary lifestyle. We're spending more
money on exercise stuff, but I don't think anybody's using it.
Everybody's spending more on diet stuff and it doesn't seem
to be working. Are we seeing that problem over in Europe?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Are we seeing it in other countries no, So it
seems to be a problem that's really located here in
the United States that we're not addressing correctly obviously, and
it needs to have some very basic social changes to
get this under control and understand why is this happening.
Interestingly enough, type one diabetes. One of the biggest things
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that is an indicator that a child might be able
to get type one diabetes is that they weren't breastfed.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
They have a higher tendency.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Oh much much more.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean it's quite it's almost like three times greater
if you weren't breastfed. Okay, So breastfeeding seems to be
a real help both with type one and type two diabetes.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
So that's a big thing.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
In vitamin D and vitamin D.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, if the mother.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Was deficient in vitamin D, then the chances of the
child developing type one diabetes or type two diabetes later
on in life increases like tenfold. So again we come
back to the vitamin D and your general health and.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well being, right and get that vitamin D blood tested.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Absolutely, of course, insulin is absolutely necessary with type one diabetes.
But the less you have to take of the insulin,
the longer you live and the healthier you are. And
that can definitely be reduced. Almost every single patient that
we've treated with type one diabetes have been able to
cut their insulin levels in half.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think of one gentleman who had really severe type
one diabetes. He was like, well, there's nothing you can
do about that. You know, they can't be cured. I said, no, no, no,
but let's get your health up, you know, get all
your vitamin's niles that you're a deficient on, get that
up working, get some botanicals into your system, some homeopathics,
and see what we can't do. Cutting down on his
insulin in half had some very amazing different types of
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results in his life. He had more energy, he was
able to exercise, his wound healing, his sex life improved.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
The Holistic Integration free educational seminar Diabetes Decoded featuring doctor
Robert Prather Wednesday, June twenty fifth, at six thirty pm.
Healthy refreshments provided and those who attend will receive a
discounted Autonomic Nervous System test for only forty nine dollars,
which measures key indicators that affect your blood sugar, energy
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listening to the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Prather
of Holistic Integration, where our mission is restoring hope to
our patients, and we're joined by John and Natalie to
share their story about how they first came into Holistic Integration. Natalie,
I remember meeting you first, and I'd love for you
to share more about that moment.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
So John had been sick for a couple of months,
just getting progressively worse. The kind of the catalyst was
he became unable to eat only small bites at a time,
and it was time to seek treatment. He agreed to
go to the hospital. So we went to the hospital
and we received very poor treatment at the hospital, and
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we also were told that we were there for digestive issues,
or what we thought was digestive issues, and they did
an echo on his heart and his heart function was
only ten percent or less. It continued to be a
pretty nightmarish hospital experience, no empathy whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Know, they had to.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Walk myself to the front doors. They just told me,
the nurses that since I was walking out against medical
advice that it wasn't the responsibility to help me out
of the I saw, I carried all my stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
They made me.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Actually leave the hospital and carry all my stuff out
three flights of steps.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, they knew that I was ten minutes away, and
they said they had to get the room ready for
the next patient.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Wow. So tell us what brought you in because I
remember that day and it's a very interesting story.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So John had been hospitalized for some what we when
we initially went to the hospital a few days prior.
He had been sick for a couple of months and
just declining with energy levels and inability to eat. So
we had gone to the hospital and he was admitted
through the emergency room. It was terrible experience. I'm actually
an RN and got us kind of been showing me
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the truth about allopathic medicine for the last ten years
or so. And we were already seeing a natural health
doctor in nature Path for some other issues. And I
knew when they told us he had an ejection for action,
his heart function was less than ten percent.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Less than ten percent.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So when we heard that news, I knew instantly we
needed to search for something outside of mainstream Western medicine
because I'm being quite frank, I don't trust it anymore.
And I had gone online and found the Holistic Heart program,
and actually, while he was still in the hospital, had
called and set up an appointment to come see you
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guys when he was discharged a week later. We never
got to that week point. He spent that another night
in the hospital and there was a series of them
not given him medications and lying and saying he refused them.
They didn't even wake him up to give him the medications.
So we left AMA from that hospital experience and we
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traveled north till day. That was that day, Yeah, and
it was. He was in terrible shape. It was really scary.
He couldn't eat, he couldn't keep anything down. He was
in constant abdominal pain. Do you want to describe that?
Speaker 6 (41:17):
A little basically stabbing pain? Upper I assumed to sent
up a ulceration or something. I didn't know, so I
was just going off.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Did you say that you walked down, Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I did. Basically we walked out of a MA the nurses, well,
basically I got into it with one of the doctors
and he I was wearing a heart monitor and he
actually escalated the situation to where the nurses come through
and said he's such and such. I forget what he
said I was, but my blood pressure was increasing.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
His heart ray had gone up to one hundred and
seventy eight, and the doctor was still barking at him.
The nurse had came in at one point thirty and said,
you know, his heart rate's going up, and he continued
with his outside manner in that way, and John was
really escalated.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
I decided leave at that point. There was no lyricsit myself.
I got the documentation, signed myself out. They said there's
no need to walk me down or push me in
a wheelchair because I was leaving against their advice. So
I carried all my belongings, my seapat machine, medications, everything
I had at the hospital. Being down three flights of
steps to the parking lot, it's away from my daughter.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
My daughter actually, I mean they knew I was ten
minutes away.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Ten minutes oh, you were coming.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
To get him.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Yeah, So at that point I didn't know what to do.
My daughter was with us, our daughter who's twenty one.
We just pulled over and prayed, We prayed, and we
decided to head up north, and we ended up at
one of the Hart hospitals up here.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Five minutes away from here actually, and.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Their hospital was under construction, and so it was quite
a long walk that he wasn't really too capable of
doing at that point. And what we got there, we
got in and their computer systems were down, and so
they had set up a makeshift barrier to like stand
in line for the reception area.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
And two people people in front of us.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
In front of us, there was a woman who was
quite upset and she was holding her chest and she says,
I'm having a heart attack. And they said, we'll here,
take this clipboard and paperwork and go fill it out
in the waiting room.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
And she said, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I had a heart attack back in November and I
was treated here and I'm having it again and I
can't go sit in the waiting room. And they said, well,
our computer systems are down, so there's nothing that we
can do right now. Again, I'm a nurse. You don't
need a computer system to prevent someone dying from an
active heart attack. So she left with her daughter.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
And she said, I'm gonna sit in this wingman die.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah, that poor woman said that, and so I said,
this isn't it, this is we No, I can't trust this,
you know.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
So we get back in the car.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
And we pray again, and I said, do you want
to go see if we can just go talk to
them at the Holistic Heart and see what they have
to say, see if they can, because I don't know
what else to do right now. He did, So I
came in the front doors. Yep, I'm gonna cry. And
I left him in the car.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
And it was lunchtime.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I remember that we were in a management meeting.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
There was no one in the waiting room and there
was assuming your staff wasn't So I sat down and
it was empty, and Lisa, you picked your head out
the door and ask if you could help me, and
I think I started just bawling and kind of give
you a hysterical rendition of what we had just been through,
and said, can you help us? And you said, the
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man that you need to talk to is sitting right
in here. And I had no idea you weres. I
knew nothing, and you guys were reading lunch and I
didn't even know that at the time. I didn't even
it didn't even dawn on me that that's what was
going on. And doctor Prather so very patient and so
very he didn't he just let me speak, He let
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me cry, he let me ramble like a rubbering idiot.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
And there's John sitting in the car.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yeah, And I guess you would have to understand what
we had been through with the doctors prior to that.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
They didn't want to listen.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
They wanted to say that his stomach pain was all
heart related, which it wasn't. They wanted to say that
it was abdominal intestinal angina from the heart failure. Doc
listened and I said can you help him? And he
said yes, very calmly. And I said can you help
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him now? And he said yes.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
And I said they go get him out of the car, and.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
He said yes, we don't have any time to waste.
And he hugged me and he followed me out towards
the waiting room, and he said, everybody knows curdia myopathy
is caused by cocksacky and I kind of granned a bit,
and I said, everybody doesn't know that because I don't
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know that. I didn't know that, and he said, the
real scientists know that. So I went and got John,
we weren't on your schedule, You'd never laid eyes on
us before, and you treated us like we were family
from get go.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
So let's talk about you know, we talked about that
first unique visit and John, let's talk about where we
went from there? Were you first of all? Were you
given hope that?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I was apprehensive honestly, because I mean, I've been through
so much traumatic situations beforehand. I mean I was hoping
that we were prayed about it and it let us here.
And I'd actually listened to your bro your radio show before.
Oh okay, so I knew the name, but it was
at that state the condition I was in, I was
really wasn't sure. But I get here, Like Nelly said,
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I was treel like family. It was amazing. It basically
came in and doctor pray Through seemed to know exactly
what was going on. And I was thinking, Okay, here
we go another doctor who tells me exactly, he knows
my problem. And he lays me down to Submridian therapy
and again an injection and he was basically just palpating
my chest and spots and it was like it hurt.
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I'm like yeah, And he gives me the shot, my
first shot.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
And so from my perspective on this, he's got him
laying on the table and he's palpaiding his abdomen because
Doc said that the cocksacky virus had affected his pagreas
and that's where the pain was coming from. So he
was palpaiding his abdomen and you could barely just touch
his abdomen and he would flinch in pain. It was
extremely painful. And Doc was, you know, aggressive, not aggressive,
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but a little more than minimal.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, he knew kind of pulp paint, uh huh.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
So he put the Meridian acupuncture powder on John, and
then he gave him an injections shot and he went
back to palpaint again. And John's face tends uff, you know,
kind of like you're getting ready to have an accident
and you tense that busy. And so I watched John's
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face go from bracing for impact to like fearfully bracing
for impact. And Doc pushed relatively hard that time, and
John's face then went to shock. Now you got to understand,
this is split second reaction. And then John grinned from
ear to ear because it.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Didn't hurt gone. And then there for weeks, I couldn't
eat and to the hospital I had the same pain.
They couldn't do nothing for me. And with a little
a little Meridean therapy.
Speaker 5 (48:52):
And pancreas powder, he powdered his pancreas instantly.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
Yeah, pain was going. At that point, I knew I
was good. I was gonna be okay. We found the
right guy.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
And the look on Doc's face was just like he
di scrimmed and nodded his hut and it was It
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
So that was that that same day.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
That was the same day on the abdominal pain. And
then you started the program.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
The hole Listic Heart Program, CART program.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
It was a wonderful Joe. Do you had me taken
care of as far as scheduling, I mean had no issues.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, you worked with their case manager.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Joe did run through the treatments ec ECP.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
And you're not done.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
You had no I still have a nine more to get,
nine more to go.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, So how many total?
Speaker 6 (49:40):
I believe it's thirty five.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's thirty five to okay, thirty five.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And you've been coming how many times a week?
Speaker 6 (49:46):
And three times a week?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Three times on the ECP because everybody's.
Speaker 7 (49:49):
Different yet now it's just going to give it two week.
Speaker 6 (49:52):
Okay, So yeah, yeah that the physical therapy aspect from
doctor Dodger's.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Guys, Lisa, did you see him on that first day?
Do you remember him?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I did not see him because I had to run
because I saw you and got you connect him with
doctor Praether. You were still in the car.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
So the change just in the way he looks has
been nothing short and miraculous. I mean he's still pretty great,
but I mean there's a lot of color coming back
in his hair and his beard.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
I've grown hair on my legs like it hasn't been
here for years.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (50:28):
Well, we talked to talk about today and he's like,
oh yeah, he said that happens.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
With the ECP.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, you have hair hair growth.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
Yeah. But uh, my treatments been great. I can't say
anything any part of it. They've taken care of me.
The staff is amazing. They're like family, and I walk in,
they joke with me.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
And he's been pretty much completely symptom free, not just
the abdominal stuff, but I mean strength is coming back.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
I mean overall, and.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
How many months of treatment hasn't been three three months. Wow, well,
and you have great news too that you just found.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
So yeah, we had an echo cardiogram last Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I like how she says that we had a.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
So last Wednesday he had an echo cardiogram to check
the function of his heart again, and the right side
of his heart has gone completely back to normal normal function.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
The left side.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
He still has some cardiomyopathy, which is a little bit
of enlargement, but it's markedly improved. And his ejection fraction
is now twenty nine percent, which is not normal as
you and I, but greatly from in three months.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
And they're only looking for that to go up.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
And the cardiomyopathy, which causes the enlarged heart, his heart
has shrink So wow. And that's Western medicine's diagnostic tools.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
So there you go, There you go. What did the
cardiologists say?
Speaker 6 (51:58):
She she's typical doctor, she's apprehensive of anything. It's not
Western medicine. But she definitely sees the improvements in me.
She probably associated with her medications that give her.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
She showed us his heart from the first test to
this test and was going through and showing us and
even seemed excited about the changes that you could see
in real time on the computer screen the past one to.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
The president and you're not even done with treatment, and
then you know, nine more ECPs.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
We're going to work on the medication damage.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Okay, the next step after this.
Speaker 6 (52:35):
So we have little ways to go yet, but we
love doctor.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Pren And it's been three months and he's returning to work.
Oh wonderful. How long have you been off? Yeah, going
back to work. Yes, that's exciting. So if someone's listening
to your story, you know that has heart problems, how
would you encourage them.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
You have to come here, you have to come meet
the staff, you have to come meet doctor brags. It
was yes, and you know your doctor. If you ask
your doctor, they're going to tell you that they're at
the end, all be all, And I'm here to tell
you that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (53:13):
That's not true.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
There are other methods and a lot of their procedures,
their medications, they're dictated by the insurance company. They're dictated
by what they're told they can do, and they're not
who they think they are all the time. Yes, Western
medicine can do wonderful things in certain situations, but there
are other options. There are better options. They wanted him
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in a life vest around the clock. They wanted a
defibrillator implanted. They wanted all of this invasive stuff that
requires becoming a patient for life. A defibrillator requires pharmaceuticals
for the rest of your life. It requires a lot
of things that we just and God, God, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
We pray about it and it works out the way
we want it. I mean, it's it's hm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
That's great. Well, thank you for sharing your story today.
About holistic integration is located at eighty nine oh two
North Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis, just
south of the I four sixty five loop. If we
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Hi, I'm Lisa Praither and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Praither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. Well, we're going to talk today about ECP
external counterpulsation therapy and aerobic exercise the panacea for cardiovascular disease.
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Dutch brather, what's a panacea?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Panacea is some type of a treatment that works on everything. Okay,
so it's an all encompassing type of a treatment.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So why is aerobic exercise a panacea for cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, one of the things is they publish what is
a treatment that works for a sort type of condition,
And there are all sorts of different things when you're
talking about cardiovascular disease on different types of treatments that
have been proven, well documented, scientifically looked at. And that
means that people actually disagreed and then came up to
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a conclusion and basically everybody says, yes, this works. And
if you look at that, every single cardiovascular disease out
there is helped by aerobic exercise. It's just standard. There
isn't anything that doesn't show up that aerobic exercise can
cure cardiovascular disease, and it is one of the top
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things that has been shown to be of benefit. So
aerobic exercise. If you want to know how to keep
from having cardiovascular disease, aerobic exercise. Aerobic exercise, and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Aerobic exercise is the answer is the answer.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So what is the necessary amount of aerobic exercise to
prevent cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, what they found is that everyone needs about an
hour of aerobic exercise a day and at least five
days a week. So the problem with that is that
we as Americans don't get aerobic exercise five days a week.
For an hour we drive cars, you know, so people
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where they walk all those types of things don't have
all the conveniences, all the things that we have here,
they do not have cardiovascular disease.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So one hour, five days a week, Right, I got
some work to do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, oh yeah, tell me about it. I know how
that goes. I'm right there.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So what amount of exercises necessary to reverse cardiovascular disease?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now, the problem with that is that most of the
people who really need it said, you know, I walked
to the end of the hallway and I'm worn out.
And that's not enough. So I sat there I said, no, no, no, no.
What we need you to do is to run five
miles a day a four minutes smile. And you know
they look at me like I got two heads on me. Yeah,
(03:09):
it's like, yeah, that would be great, doctor, But to
actually get a reversal of that, you need more than
just the average type of aerobic exercise.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And people are even having a hard time moving.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Right, so you know it becomes a very very difficult
type of situation. So what is the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, let's talk about ECP. What is ECP and how
does it work?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes, ECP, external counterpulsation therapy is an aerobic exercise device.
So if you can't do the aerobic exercise, how do
we get this accomplished? So back about sixty years ago,
Harvard Medical University did some research on that and came
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up with a device to imitate aerobic exercise for an individual.
So what they did is they created pressure cuffs. They
would go up and down the legs and on the
pelvis and when the heart goes in to rest, then
there would be a squeezing of those pressure cuffs and
it would provide the blood to actually go back up
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to the heart, which is imitating what occurs with aerobic exercise,
only at about a ten times greater amount of returning
to the blood to the heart ten times benefit. So
for every hour that you are on the ecpiece Goues,
what you do is you lay down, hook that up
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and then it squeezes the legs. You get about ten
times the benefit of actually going out and running for
an hour. So what they state on the ECP is
we usually do that for an hour five days a week. Again,
remember we said it had to be five days a
week for at least an hour. And what what that
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does is that gives far far more benefit than if
you were just going out running and it's for seven weeks.
Thirty five treatments is what they found works, and that
provides the same benefit as five years of marathon training
for aerobic exercise. So what you do is you get
a very compressed amount of return on your investment, far
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more than if you were actually going out and running.
Matter of fact, in the Olympics, Americans, as they're being
trained for the Olympics, one of the things that they
use is the external counterpulsation therapy to increase their aerobic exercise.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Capability increase their performance.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It increases their performance and matter of fact, one of
the things that they found it was actually featured in
Runners World, how we had made such an improvement because
all of a sudden on the long distance types of
runs in the Olympics, all of a sudden, we were
doing so much better. And they were wondering why they
went in there and looked at it, found out about
the ECP and how much of a benefit actually occurs
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by doing that, and many, many runners throughout the United
States are actually now using ECP to improve their aerobic exercise.
So this is something that basically helps anyone, and those
especially who are in a situation where they cannot do
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aerobic exercise on their own physically, this provides an incredible
amount of a benefit towards their health and wellbeing and
reversing their cardiovascular disease. No one disagrees that aerobic exercise
is probably the most important thing that you could possibly
do to reverse your cardiovascular disease. And what's nice about
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that is you can get the most benefit from the
ECP than any other form of aerobic exercise.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And we have an external pulsation therapy device at our
office at Badistic Integration. We have been very beneficial for patients,
very beneficial. Well, talk a little bit about the history
of the ECP. Yes, you said sixty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes, it was actually started sixty years ago, and it
was actually even featured in Wall Street Journal as something
that would be revolutionary to the cardiovascular treatments. So every
cardiologist in the United States had access to external counterpulsation therapy.
Matter of fact, there was external counterpulsation therapy treatment places
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that were put up throughout the United States. The reason
is is that was considered as a great type of
leap forward in cardiovascular treatments because we had not really
been successful in actually reversing that. So they started to
do that and one of the things that they would
look at is was there any type of adverse reactions
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with the ECP, And in the time that they were
doing that, they had found absolutely no injuries that were
associated with it, so they dropped it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So they dropped it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yes, ok because there were no negative effects. That makes
perfect sense, doesn't No? Okay, let me explain. So you
have insurance actually covers what's called disease care. So disease
care if you don't have a possibility of any type
of adverse reaction with it. Then it is not disease care,
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that structure function care because structure function care is taking
someone and bringing the body back to greater health. So
they realized that this was not under disease care and
therefore it is not reimbursable. So it then needs to
go under structure function care, and they stopped all insurance payments.
(08:53):
When they stopped all insurance payments. Also, because you are
a cardiologist, you are involved in disease care, you can't
do structure function care. So it was completely dropped and
not utilized it anymore because there were no risks to
doing ECP, and so we no longer have it here
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Now in other countries, that is a standard type of
the treatment in India. It is also the standard treatment
in China, Japan, and quite a few countries throughout the
world for cardiovascular for cardiovascular disease with amazing types of results.
And so in the United States it is no longer
allowed for cardiologists actually to be involved in treating.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
That okay with the ECP.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, interesting, so why isn't it used anymore? Is this
the main reason? Because it is.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Actually, it's an interesting little story, and my story particularly
can really show up what that's actually doing.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Then when we come back, let's hear that story.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
All right, Okay, we'll be right back.
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Praiser of Holistic Integration, the most comprehensive wellness center in
the Midwest. So we're talking about ECP and aerobic exercise.
The panacea for cardiovascular disease. ACP stands for external counterpulsation therapy,
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a device that we have at Holistic Integration. Dot you
bray there, tell us your story and how you got
involved with the ECP.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I had a patient who had severe cardiovascular disease and
justi heart failure, and I said, well, you know what
you really need to do is get some ECP because
there aren't really medications. There isn't effective means of treating
that except the only one that's been proven to be
effective is external counterpulsation therapy. So I gave him some information.
(15:29):
He went to his cardiologist, and his cardiologists couldn't At
the time, I thought he wouldn't do it, which you know,
perplexed me, and so I started calling up some of
my friends who are cardiologists, and one of them I
talked to him and said, hey, this person really needs
external counterpulsation therapy and he says, you know, I agree
(15:49):
with you. One hundred percent. This is the only treatment
that actually works for him. And I said, you have
a unit in that time they did and now none
of them. Do you need to put him on that?
He says, I can't. He said, sure, you can't. He said, no,
you don't understand. I would be in trouble because it
is a structure function care and I'm not allowed to
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do that. And he says, you're a structure function doctor.
You buy one and you provide it. And I sat
there and said how expensive are they? And they're very expensive,
and he said, you know, if you're really into this,
you're the one who should be doing it. And so
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I didn't know if the FDA would be in line
with that. So I actually called the FDA, got the
person who was in charge of the ECP and he
stated yes. He says, actually, you are perfect for this
because this is a structure function care where you are
looking to balance out the body. It is an aerobic
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exercise machine that helps the body to improve its health,
and that is the definition of structure function care. And
we would like you to do it because we know
how important and helpful it would be for the cardiovascular population.
Would you please take it and run with it. So
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I got one and we've been using it ever since.
We make sure that everything's all covered and what is
the best course for the patient and is there any
content indications to the ECP in this particular patient, So
we screen that out and then we also then keep
a compilation on the improvements that occurred because of the ECP.
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Quite impressed with the changes that are actually occurring and
feel that we can start to publish some research papers
on that to give some vlidity to that and then
help the structure function community to move forward with actually
implementing the ECP on a much more common type of
basis in people's clients. So that's something that again, our
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whole idea is we've called ourselves holistic integration holistic where
we're looking at the entire body and a structure function
mean and then integrating with the medical community because we
also realize the needs for different types of things. One
of the things we found on one of the patients
that we saw is that they absolutely needed this surgery
that wasn't scheduled for them, and so that we got
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them to move in that direction. Some of the people
are actually needing some pharmaceuticals to work along those lines.
It is not an exclusive type of thing. Again, we
look at this as eighty percent of all care should
be structure function based, twenty percent should be disease care based.
That is the perfect model. We're not in opposition to
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the disease care, the pharmaceuticals, the vaccines, surgeries, all those
different types of things. We want to get the best
of both worlds. But we always look at the risk
versus the benefit. And whenever you're talking about a pharmaceutical surgery,
you're talking about risk. With structure function care, by its
very nature, you should not have risk associated with that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So it's the eighty twenty.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Eighty twenty makes complete sense.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So is the ECP safe.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's the amazing thing about it is that there has
never been an injury reported on ECP in all the
years that has been used, and by law, you have
to report anything. So if you have good screenings, we
do have people that we actually say you should not
get the ECP.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, that's when the cardiologist comes in, and that's where
the cardiologist screens along those lines.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yes, and we've had people before that I had screened
and actually before that I always sent them out for
a cardiology review before we would start them on the ECP.
We want to make sure that this is because we
are putting it out that this is completely safe, and
we want to make sure that it is absolutely safe
in each and every condition.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So when do cardiologists refer for ECP?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Now, Well, I actually.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do get referrals for ECP. And basically, when you have
already done everything, none of the medications work, they've done
every surgery that they possibly can, they've done every disease
care intervention, and the person is dying, that's when I
get a referral from a cardiologist for the ECP. And
what's great about that is everyone has actually lived, you know,
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in other words, when they thought they were going to die,
it actually turned around for so it's been extremely.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Successful quality of life.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, so it is something that is utilized as a
last resort, but wouldn't it be much better if we
could actually use it before it's a last resort and
see those lives turned around. Now, obviously there are times
for surgeries, there are obviously times for medications, but this
is something that is very safe and always works.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk about
specific conditions that the ECP helps with We'll be right back.
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mm hmm. You know, if people have swelling in the legs,
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Speaker 1 (22:24):
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Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, is usually kidney disease. If both of them are swollen,
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Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm Lisa Prather, and you're listening to the Voice of
Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we
get to the root cause of your health issue. We're
talking today about ECP and aerobic exercise, the panacea for
cardiovascular disease. ECP standing for external counterpulsation therapy, a device
(25:35):
that we have at Holistic Integration. So let's talk about
the different conditions that ECP helps with. First of all, angina.
How does ECP help with angina?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, everyone acknowledges that ECP helps with angina. Matter of fact,
that was the criteria when they were covering it. That
was the diagnosis that you would use to get ECP covered.
So everyone agrees with that, and basically what it does
is it increases the oxygenation to the heart, and as
you get the oxygenation, it's lowered oxygenation to the heart
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that actually causes the angina. So ECP is amazing for
that and has an extremely high success rate with eliminating
angina in patients. So that's kind of the main the
main that is something that as you talk to any
cardiologists and you talk about external conpulsation therapy, they'll say, oh,
(26:31):
that's for my angina patients. So that's something that is
again acknowledged by everyone.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What about congestive heart failure? Can he SEEP help with that?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Now that's an interesting one. So we had a patient too, well,
I mean the first one that I actually recommended to
who couldn't get it in time and actually wound up dying,
which was very sad because everybody loved this man and
I just was really but I couldn't get it in
time to actually be able to.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Be with help.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But congestive heart failure has very little treatments that are available.
So what ECP does is, as it squeezes the legs,
it actually provides oxygenation to the heart, and interestingly enough,
the heart is quite amazing in that it can actually regenerate.
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So as an example, I've had several congestive heart patients
who had their hearts twice the size of you know
what they should have been, and we did the ECP
on them for seven weeks, five days a week, and
at the end of it, the cardiologists actually confirmed by
looking at it that the heart had returned to normal
size and the person no longer had congestive heart failure.
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So that's been a very consistent type of a basis
different levels of that, but everyone with congestive heart failure
has improved under ECP, and there are no other treatments
really that are available for that. So that's something that
should be used, and it is under structure function care,
but it is something that needs to really be moved
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on and provided for people because people with congestive heart
failure really have no other hope.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
M H. What about can e CP assist with athrosclerosis?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yes, I have had several patients who were referred by
cardiologists because the patient was not able to get surgery.
So I've had people with ninety nine percent blockage in
arteries to the heart and also to cervical artery. So
you know, you had several different types of cases along
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those lines, and we were able to do ECP, send
them back to the cardiologists, and one person had ninety
percent blockage on one side seventy five percent blockage on
the other was not able to go through the surgery
because they knew that they would die and words it
was completely clear there was absolutely no blockage in the
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arteries after that, And so that's a very consistent type
of thing. And the way that that works, the way
that they actually look at that, because there has been
some studies along those lines, is that when you do
the ECP in the arteries, there's sort of like a
wave that seems to occur in the arteries, is the
idea along those lines. So there's some movement of the
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endothelial area of the artery and as it goes through
that it seems to be breaking up that and then
the body's reabsorbing it. Now, one of the things that
people ask me as well, is there a possibility of stroke?
You know, if you're releasing the black and the build
up in through there and in sixty years again of
ECP doing that, that's never happened. So the body seems
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to be able to reabsorb that. And there's several different
types of studies that we have that have shown and
we've seen it in our own office that there's a
tremendous amount of reduction of athroscrosis associated with doing ECP.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, so helpful for angina, congestive.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Heart failure, athroscrosis.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Again, those are some of the major types of things
that you deal with with the cardiovascular system.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And how does it help with hypertension and how hypertension.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
One of the things that kicks off hypertension is athroscrosis orteroscrosis.
You know, if you get hardening of the arteries, then
that can cause one type of hypertension. So if that's
all cleared up, then you actually reduce the hypertensions associated
with that. Also, if the heart is getting more oxygen,
then it doesn't have to beat his heart, so that
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also reduces the stress on the heart and reduces the
high blood pressure. The other thing we are getting is
that ECP has been very beneficial for kidney function. Not
only does it increase the blood flow to the heart,
but it also increases the blood flow to the kidneys,
and the kidneys oftentimes are the reasons about at least
(30:59):
seventy percent of all hygh pertension originates there and we
get a very excellent improvement. One thing that we've noticed
is that the glameral filtration rate, which is the measurement
of how effective the heart is, has always increased with
ECP and always a reduction in hypertension that's associated with that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Does it also help with restless legs and syndrome?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
A lot of people have issues with that.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yes, and that's one of the things that we found
out because we had patients who not only had congestive
heart failure but also had wrestless leg and they talked
about how that did a dramatic difference on that and
they were able to sleep. So there was some studies
that were done on restless state syndrome where they did
a sample portion of people with that and found a
(31:45):
very excellent improvement in quite a few patients. So what
that would oftentimes mean is because we were thinking it
was a neurological condition, but oftentimes it's circulatory that's cut
down on the legs and that actually leads to the
neurological situation. So yes, there's been excellent results in that
is something that can be used for the restless lake syndrome.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And what about diabetes.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That is absolutely a wonderful type of thing because when
you actually use ECP, there is always a correction in
the blood sugar levels because what you're doing is aerobic
exercise always facilitates insulin utilization. So any type of a
blockage along those lines for insulin getting into the cells
are always improved with aerobic exercise, and diabetes has always improved.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Also, what about cognitive brain function, and.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That is also something because a lot of people who
had had strokes or heart attacks or different things like
that have gotten onto ECP, and so they did a
study along those lines and found an improvement pre impost
ECP on cognitive brain function. So people who are having
difficulties along those lines dementia, post heart attack, cognitive problems
(32:59):
have all improved with the ECP too.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So if someone's listening, what would you recommend for them
that are wondering if they need a scrape, if.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They have cardiovascular diseases, Getting checked for ECP would be
an excellent type of way and an improvement of your
system or even if you're trying to prevent it. It's
an excellent means of actually improving that. Now, one of
the things that we've also found is that a rectile dysfunction,
if it is a circulatory problem, is also improved with ECP.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, now that will get you guys.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All right, Thank you Doctor Prayther.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
As always, thank you luies.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Appreciate CP device that we have out a holistic integration.
Up next, we'll be talking to John and Natalie who
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with doctor Robert Preyther. Type one and type two diabetes
are not the same, so why are they often treated
like they are? Join us for our free holistic integration
educational seminar Diabetes Decoded, a holistic look at Type one
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crucial differences between type one and type two diabetes and
how each requires a uniquely tailored approach. You'll learn how
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
We've got a real problem with diabetes. Center these control said,
this is becoming the number one problem that people are experiencing.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Why is diabetes such a fast growing problem?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
One that kind of feeds that is the obesity crisis,
and then of course the sedentary lifestyle. We're spending more
money on exercise stuff, but I don't think anybody's using it.
Everybody's spending more on diet stuff and it doesn't seem
to be working. Are we seeing that problem over in Europe?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Are we seeing it in other countries no, So it
seems to be a problem that's really located here in
the United States that we're not addressing correctly obviously, and
it needs to have some very basic social changes to
get this under control and understand why is this happening.
Interestingly enough, type one diabetes. One of the biggest things
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that is an indicator that a child might be able
to get type one diabetes is that they weren't breastfed.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
They have a higher tendency.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Oh much much more.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean it's quite it's almost like three times greater
if you weren't breastfed. Okay, So breastfeeding seems to be
a real help both with type one and type two diabetes.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
So that's a big thing.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
In vitamin D and vitamin D.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, if the mother.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Was deficient in vitamin D, then the chances of the
child developing type one diabetes or type two diabetes later
on in life increases like tenfold. So again we come
back to the vitamin D and your general health and.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well being, right and get that vitamin D blood tested.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Absolutely, of course, insulin is absolutely necessary with type one diabetes.
But the less you have to take of the insulin,
the longer you live and the healthier you are. And
that can definitely be reduced. Almost every single patient that
we've treated with type one diabetes have been able to
cut their insulin levels in half.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think of one gentleman who had really severe type
one diabetes. He was like, well, there's nothing you can
do about that. You know, they can't be cured. I said, no, no, no,
but let's get your health up, you know, get all
your vitamin's niles that you're a deficient on, get that
up working, get some botanicals into your system, some homeopathics,
and see what we can't do. Cutting down on his
insulin in half had some very amazing different types of
(37:17):
results in his life. He had more energy, he was
able to exercise, his wound healing, his sex life improved.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
The Holistic Integration free educational seminar Diabetes Decoded featuring doctor
Robert Prather Wednesday, June twenty fifth, at six thirty pm.
Healthy refreshments provided and those who attend will receive a
discounted Autonomic Nervous System test for only forty nine dollars,
which measures key indicators that affect your blood sugar, energy
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and inflammation at tend in person or on zoom. Empower
yourself with true healing and reserve your seat by calling
three one seven eight four eight eighty forty eight or
online at the Voice of Health radio dot com. You're
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listening to the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Prather
of Holistic Integration, where our mission is restoring hope to
our patients, and we're joined by John and Natalie to
share their story about how they first came into Holistic Integration. Natalie,
I remember meeting you first, and I'd love for you
to share more about that moment.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
So John had been sick for a couple of months,
just getting progressively worse. The kind of the catalyst was
he became unable to eat only small bites at a time,
and it was time to seek treatment. He agreed to
go to the hospital. So we went to the hospital
and we received very poor treatment at the hospital, and
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we also were told that we were there for digestive issues,
or what we thought was digestive issues, and they did
an echo on his heart and his heart function was
only ten percent or less. It continued to be a
pretty nightmarish hospital experience, no empathy whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Know, they had to.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Walk myself to the front doors. They just told me,
the nurses that since I was walking out against medical
advice that it wasn't the responsibility to help me out
of the I saw, I carried all my stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
They made me.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Actually leave the hospital and carry all my stuff out
three flights of steps.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, they knew that I was ten minutes away, and
they said they had to get the room ready for
the next patient.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Wow. So tell us what brought you in because I
remember that day and it's a very interesting story.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So John had been hospitalized for some what we when
we initially went to the hospital a few days prior.
He had been sick for a couple of months and
just declining with energy levels and inability to eat. So
we had gone to the hospital and he was admitted
through the emergency room. It was terrible experience. I'm actually
an RN and got us kind of been showing me
(40:00):
the truth about allopathic medicine for the last ten years
or so. And we were already seeing a natural health
doctor in nature Path for some other issues. And I
knew when they told us he had an ejection for action,
his heart function was less than ten percent.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Less than ten percent.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So when we heard that news, I knew instantly we
needed to search for something outside of mainstream Western medicine
because I'm being quite frank, I don't trust it anymore.
And I had gone online and found the Holistic Heart program,
and actually, while he was still in the hospital, had
called and set up an appointment to come see you
(40:40):
guys when he was discharged a week later. We never
got to that week point. He spent that another night
in the hospital and there was a series of them
not given him medications and lying and saying he refused them.
They didn't even wake him up to give him the medications.
So we left AMA from that hospital experience and we
(41:03):
traveled north till day. That was that day, Yeah, and
it was. He was in terrible shape. It was really scary.
He couldn't eat, he couldn't keep anything down. He was
in constant abdominal pain. Do you want to describe that?
Speaker 6 (41:17):
A little basically stabbing pain? Upper I assumed to sent
up a ulceration or something. I didn't know, so I
was just going off.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Did you say that you walked down, Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I did. Basically we walked out of a MA the nurses, well,
basically I got into it with one of the doctors
and he I was wearing a heart monitor and he
actually escalated the situation to where the nurses come through
and said he's such and such. I forget what he
said I was, but my blood pressure was increasing.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
His heart ray had gone up to one hundred and
seventy eight, and the doctor was still barking at him.
The nurse had came in at one point thirty and said,
you know, his heart rate's going up, and he continued
with his outside manner in that way, and John was
really escalated.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
I decided leave at that point. There was no lyricsit myself.
I got the documentation, signed myself out. They said there's
no need to walk me down or push me in
a wheelchair because I was leaving against their advice. So
I carried all my belongings, my seapat machine, medications, everything
I had at the hospital. Being down three flights of
steps to the parking lot, it's away from my daughter.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
My daughter actually, I mean they knew I was ten
minutes away.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Ten minutes oh, you were coming.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
To get him.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Yeah, So at that point I didn't know what to do.
My daughter was with us, our daughter who's twenty one.
We just pulled over and prayed, We prayed, and we
decided to head up north, and we ended up at
one of the Hart hospitals up here.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Five minutes away from here actually, and.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Their hospital was under construction, and so it was quite
a long walk that he wasn't really too capable of
doing at that point. And what we got there, we
got in and their computer systems were down, and so
they had set up a makeshift barrier to like stand
in line for the reception area.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
And two people people in front of us.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
In front of us, there was a woman who was
quite upset and she was holding her chest and she says,
I'm having a heart attack. And they said, we'll here,
take this clipboard and paperwork and go fill it out
in the waiting room.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
And she said, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I had a heart attack back in November and I
was treated here and I'm having it again and I
can't go sit in the waiting room. And they said, well,
our computer systems are down, so there's nothing that we
can do right now. Again, I'm a nurse. You don't
need a computer system to prevent someone dying from an
active heart attack. So she left with her daughter.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
And she said, I'm gonna sit in this wingman die.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah, that poor woman said that, and so I said,
this isn't it, this is we No, I can't trust this,
you know.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
So we get back in the car.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
And we pray again, and I said, do you want
to go see if we can just go talk to
them at the Holistic Heart and see what they have
to say, see if they can, because I don't know
what else to do right now. He did, So I
came in the front doors. Yep, I'm gonna cry. And
I left him in the car.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
And it was lunchtime.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I remember that we were in a management meeting.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
There was no one in the waiting room and there
was assuming your staff wasn't So I sat down and
it was empty, and Lisa, you picked your head out
the door and ask if you could help me, and
I think I started just bawling and kind of give
you a hysterical rendition of what we had just been through,
and said, can you help us? And you said, the
(44:43):
man that you need to talk to is sitting right
in here. And I had no idea you weres. I
knew nothing, and you guys were reading lunch and I
didn't even know that at the time. I didn't even
it didn't even dawn on me that that's what was
going on. And doctor Prather so very patient and so
very he didn't he just let me speak, He let
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me cry, he let me ramble like a rubbering idiot.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
And there's John sitting in the car.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yeah, And I guess you would have to understand what
we had been through with the doctors prior to that.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
They didn't want to listen.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
They wanted to say that his stomach pain was all
heart related, which it wasn't. They wanted to say that
it was abdominal intestinal angina from the heart failure. Doc
listened and I said can you help him? And he
said yes, very calmly. And I said can you help
(45:43):
him now? And he said yes.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
And I said they go get him out of the car, and.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
He said yes, we don't have any time to waste.
And he hugged me and he followed me out towards
the waiting room, and he said, everybody knows curdia myopathy
is caused by cocksacky and I kind of granned a bit,
and I said, everybody doesn't know that because I don't
(46:13):
know that. I didn't know that, and he said, the
real scientists know that. So I went and got John,
we weren't on your schedule, You'd never laid eyes on
us before, and you treated us like we were family
from get go.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
So let's talk about you know, we talked about that
first unique visit and John, let's talk about where we
went from there? Were you first of all? Were you
given hope that?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I was apprehensive honestly, because I mean, I've been through
so much traumatic situations beforehand. I mean I was hoping
that we were prayed about it and it let us here.
And I'd actually listened to your bro your radio show before.
Oh okay, so I knew the name, but it was
at that state the condition I was in, I was
really wasn't sure. But I get here, Like Nelly said,
(47:06):
I was treel like family. It was amazing. It basically
came in and doctor pray Through seemed to know exactly
what was going on. And I was thinking, Okay, here
we go another doctor who tells me exactly, he knows
my problem. And he lays me down to Submridian therapy
and again an injection and he was basically just palpating
my chest and spots and it was like it hurt.
(47:29):
I'm like yeah, And he gives me the shot, my
first shot.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
And so from my perspective on this, he's got him
laying on the table and he's palpaiding his abdomen because
Doc said that the cocksacky virus had affected his pagreas
and that's where the pain was coming from. So he
was palpaiding his abdomen and you could barely just touch
his abdomen and he would flinch in pain. It was
extremely painful. And Doc was, you know, aggressive, not aggressive,
(47:57):
but a little more than minimal.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, he knew kind of pulp paint, uh huh.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
So he put the Meridian acupuncture powder on John, and
then he gave him an injections shot and he went
back to palpaint again. And John's face tends uff, you know,
kind of like you're getting ready to have an accident
and you tense that busy. And so I watched John's
(48:22):
face go from bracing for impact to like fearfully bracing
for impact. And Doc pushed relatively hard that time, and
John's face then went to shock. Now you got to understand,
this is split second reaction. And then John grinned from
ear to ear because it.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Didn't hurt gone. And then there for weeks, I couldn't
eat and to the hospital I had the same pain.
They couldn't do nothing for me. And with a little
a little Meridean therapy.
Speaker 5 (48:52):
And pancreas powder, he powdered his pancreas instantly.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
Yeah, pain was going. At that point, I knew I
was good. I was gonna be okay. We found the
right guy.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
And the look on Doc's face was just like he
di scrimmed and nodded his hut and it was It
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
So that was that that same day.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
That was the same day on the abdominal pain. And
then you started the program.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
The hole Listic Heart Program, CART program.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
It was a wonderful Joe. Do you had me taken
care of as far as scheduling, I mean had no issues.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, you worked with their case manager.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Joe did run through the treatments ec ECP.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
And you're not done.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
You had no I still have a nine more to get,
nine more to go.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, So how many total?
Speaker 6 (49:40):
I believe it's thirty five.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's thirty five to okay, thirty five.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And you've been coming how many times a week?
Speaker 6 (49:46):
And three times a week?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Three times on the ECP because everybody's.
Speaker 7 (49:49):
Different yet now it's just going to give it two week.
Speaker 6 (49:52):
Okay, So yeah, yeah that the physical therapy aspect from
doctor Dodger's.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Guys, Lisa, did you see him on that first day?
Do you remember him?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I did not see him because I had to run
because I saw you and got you connect him with
doctor Praether. You were still in the car.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
So the change just in the way he looks has
been nothing short and miraculous. I mean he's still pretty great,
but I mean there's a lot of color coming back
in his hair and his beard.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
I've grown hair on my legs like it hasn't been
here for years.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (50:28):
Well, we talked to talk about today and he's like,
oh yeah, he said that happens.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
With the ECP.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, you have hair hair growth.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
Yeah. But uh, my treatments been great. I can't say
anything any part of it. They've taken care of me.
The staff is amazing. They're like family, and I walk in,
they joke with me.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
And he's been pretty much completely symptom free, not just
the abdominal stuff, but I mean strength is coming back.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
I mean overall, and.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
How many months of treatment hasn't been three three months. Wow, well,
and you have great news too that you just found.
Speaker 5 (51:02):
So yeah, we had an echo cardiogram last Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I like how she says that we had a.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
So last Wednesday he had an echo cardiogram to check
the function of his heart again, and the right side
of his heart has gone completely back to normal normal function.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
The left side.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
He still has some cardiomyopathy, which is a little bit
of enlargement, but it's markedly improved. And his ejection fraction
is now twenty nine percent, which is not normal as
you and I, but greatly from in three months.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
And they're only looking for that to go up.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
And the cardiomyopathy, which causes the enlarged heart, his heart
has shrink So wow. And that's Western medicine's diagnostic tools.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
So there you go, There you go. What did the
cardiologists say?
Speaker 6 (51:58):
She she's typical doctor, she's apprehensive of anything. It's not
Western medicine. But she definitely sees the improvements in me.
She probably associated with her medications that give her.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
She showed us his heart from the first test to
this test and was going through and showing us and
even seemed excited about the changes that you could see
in real time on the computer screen the past one to.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
The president and you're not even done with treatment, and
then you know, nine more ECPs.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
We're going to work on the medication damage.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Okay, the next step after this.
Speaker 6 (52:35):
So we have little ways to go yet, but we
love doctor.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Pren And it's been three months and he's returning to work.
Oh wonderful. How long have you been off? Yeah, going
back to work. Yes, that's exciting. So if someone's listening
to your story, you know that has heart problems, how
would you encourage them.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
You have to come here, you have to come meet
the staff, you have to come meet doctor brags. It
was yes, and you know your doctor. If you ask
your doctor, they're going to tell you that they're at
the end, all be all, And I'm here to tell
you that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (53:13):
That's not true.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
There are other methods and a lot of their procedures,
their medications, they're dictated by the insurance company. They're dictated
by what they're told they can do, and they're not
who they think they are all the time. Yes, Western
medicine can do wonderful things in certain situations, but there
are other options. There are better options. They wanted him
(53:37):
in a life vest around the clock. They wanted a
defibrillator implanted. They wanted all of this invasive stuff that
requires becoming a patient for life. A defibrillator requires pharmaceuticals
for the rest of your life. It requires a lot
of things that we just and God, God, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
We pray about it and it works out the way
we want it. I mean, it's it's hm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
That's great. Well, thank you for sharing your story today.
About holistic integration is located at eighty nine oh two
North Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis, just
south of the I four sixty five loop. If we
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can help you to achieve better health, we'd love to
hear from you. Connect with our office at three one
seven eight four eight eighty forty eight. That's three one
seven eight four eight eighty forty eight. Join us again
next week or anytime on our website at the Voice
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