September 6, 2025 • 54 mins
Scoliosis is an abnormal bending of the spine that occurs in about 3% of the population. In this episode, you'll find out:
—Why Scoliosis is more common in females, but boys can have a worse case when they do get it. And why Caucasians and blondes are more likely to develop Scoliosis.
—The Hormonal and Copper-Zinc imbalances that Dr. Prather believes contribute to Scoliosis. And how Dr. Prather's theories on the causes of Scoliosis are unique.
—How infections could lead to a higher incidence of Scoliosis, but are not the main cause of modern cases as they used to be.
—The traditional treatments are bracing and surgery, but Dr. Prather finds alternative treatments in his office have a very high success rate if it is caught early enough.
—Why Dr. Prather feels Chiropractic is "essential" for Scoliosis patients, particularly the Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractic adjustment that is Dr. Prather's specialty. And the Cerebrospinal Fluid adjustments that Dr. Prather finds all Scoliosis patients need.
—How Acupuncture relaxes the muscles in the back and helps the spine shift back into proper position.
—The importance of supplementation in balancing out hormones to help with both the Scoliosis as well as the moods of patients. And how almost all of us have some sort of Hormonal imbalance.
—The more modern bracing that is contoured to the body to help young girls avoid embarrassment at school. And why surgery is not promoted as much as it used to be.
—How Dr. Prather sees balancing out Hormones and Nutrition in his growing patients add as much as four-inches to the height of a boy and two-inches to the height of a girl.
—Dr. Prather says he's always able to prevent Scoliosis in his young patients. And why Chiropractic care should be an essential part of children's health.
—Plus, you'll hear from Felicia and two of her children, Abby and Clay, about the difference Holistic Integration has made in their lives.
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—Why Scoliosis is more common in females, but boys can have a worse case when they do get it. And why Caucasians and blondes are more likely to develop Scoliosis.
—The Hormonal and Copper-Zinc imbalances that Dr. Prather believes contribute to Scoliosis. And how Dr. Prather's theories on the causes of Scoliosis are unique.
—How infections could lead to a higher incidence of Scoliosis, but are not the main cause of modern cases as they used to be.
—The traditional treatments are bracing and surgery, but Dr. Prather finds alternative treatments in his office have a very high success rate if it is caught early enough.
—Why Dr. Prather feels Chiropractic is "essential" for Scoliosis patients, particularly the Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractic adjustment that is Dr. Prather's specialty. And the Cerebrospinal Fluid adjustments that Dr. Prather finds all Scoliosis patients need.
—How Acupuncture relaxes the muscles in the back and helps the spine shift back into proper position.
—The importance of supplementation in balancing out hormones to help with both the Scoliosis as well as the moods of patients. And how almost all of us have some sort of Hormonal imbalance.
—The more modern bracing that is contoured to the body to help young girls avoid embarrassment at school. And why surgery is not promoted as much as it used to be.
—How Dr. Prather sees balancing out Hormones and Nutrition in his growing patients add as much as four-inches to the height of a boy and two-inches to the height of a girl.
—Dr. Prather says he's always able to prevent Scoliosis in his young patients. And why Chiropractic care should be an essential part of children's health.
—Plus, you'll hear from Felicia and two of her children, Abby and Clay, about the difference Holistic Integration has made in their lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, I'm Lisa Praither and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Praither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. This week we're talking about natural answers for
scoliosis and doctor Prather, what is scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, scoliosis is a lateral bending of the spine abnormally,
and there are several different types of scoliosis, but it's
basically your spine is bent where it should be straight.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And how common is it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's occurs in about three percent of the population. It
is more common in females than in males, but when
a male actually gets a severe case, oftentimes they can
be even worse than a female. But it's more commonly
in girls than it is in boys.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Do you know why or do you have any theories
on that?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Actually, there are several theories that I have. One of
the things that is more well established is you know,
the bigger stronger you are, the less likely you are
to have the curves. So if you have more muscle,
then that actually reduces the curves. So boys would on
a tendency have less of a problem with the curves
than females. But along with that, one of the theories
(01:32):
that I've been taught and worked with with my patients
is that there's a couple of different factors that go
into scoliosis besides just the structural and physical portion of it,
but it's also related to hormones and copper zinc imbalance,
and females have a little bit more difficulties with their
(01:54):
hormonal balance than males.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We do, yes, I didn't know. Interesting. I always think
of the scoliosis testing in school and elementary school, and
now is scoliosis dangerous?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Scoliosis doesn't usually cause a reduction in lifespan, so it
is not considered really a dangerous type of thing. There
are severe cases where it can cause some pressure on
the heart and the lungs that should be avoided, but
for the most part, it is not a dangerous condition.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, well, who gets scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You said women more than men.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right, and actually girls. The age that scoliosis hits is
between the ages of ten and twenty. Now, the reasons
that are obvious on that is those are the growth times.
So during the growth period, that's a time where you
can start to develop scoliosis. Those are the ages that
you have to watch for. That's why in schools having
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the scoliosis test was an important aspect, just to see
what was going on. It is again more common in
females than in males, in about three percent of the population.
There are some hereditary factors that go into that. Caucasians
are more commonly affected by scoliosis than other races. And
(03:16):
the lighter that you are, the bonder you are, the
more likely you are to get scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Interesting, Yeah, you probably have a theory about that too.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, it is definitely there's a genetic factor and then
also there is a factor in how long the lumbar
spine is. And if you get into the German and
Scandinavian they have a longer lumbar spine than the rest
of the world.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I have never heard that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, it's something that's bigger disks. Yeah, there's just a
longer area in there meta factor, not more vertebrae, not
more vertebrae, no, but there is a longer torso involved
in those types of situations. In a matter of fact,
as they look back in anthropology, you know, to check
scoliosis was more common back forty thousand years ago or so,
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because people were a little had a longer spine in there,
and then it seemed to be probably a little bit
too unstable, so it was shortened quite a bit in
a lot of the population, but still longer in Scandinavian
German populations.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Interesting, so what causes scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
One of the things that used to be a big
factor is infections, So different types of infections would kick
off scoliosis. A matter of fact, nowadays, there are certain
infections that are known to help to cause scoliosis, and
that was the considered in the ancient times the main cause,
because of course infections were more common and as you
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would get an infection, you did seem to have a
higher incidence of scoliosis. There are some genetic types of things,
things that can occur so that you know, that can
actually kick off scoliosis. But most of scoliosis right now
in the modern population in the developed world, we call
it idiopathic scoliosis. And do you know why they call
(05:13):
it idiopathic because we're idiots and we don't know what
causes it. Who says doctors don't have humor? Though I
personally have some theories on that they're not accepted by
the general population, but we do well by the general
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scientifics population. But there is a group of us who
have come up with some scoliosis treatments very effective and
we get really good results off of it. So it
seems to be true. We haven't actually proven it, but
I think in the future that that would be something
that we could actually accomplish.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, let's talk about the different types of scoliosis. You
just mentioned the idiot one.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, well, and then there's the other type of scoliosis
where there is an actual structural problem where you know,
you have a what's called a hemivertebrae, a half of
a vertebrae that causes sort of a collapse on that
and so there can be some definite factors within development
of the spine that can develop scoliosis. But that's about
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two percent of all the population of scoliosis. The vast
majority of it at this point is what we call
the idiopathic scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So you're saying scoliosis is three percent population, I thought
it would be higher. Well, you know, it's because of
our profession, right, we see people with scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
People who have scoliosis have a higher tendency for dis degeneration,
for back problems, you know, more spasms. So as a chiropractor,
we get a lot of people with scoliosis in our office,
so you know, as we're looking at the x rays,
it's a lot higher than three percent.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right now, can scoliosis be treated?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Scoliosis can be treated. There are, of course the well
established type of way of bracing and surgery, and at
this point that is the accepted method of treatment. But
we do find within our practice doing some of the
alternative types of ways that we've gotten some very good
results if we can catch it early enough.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So surgery is still what would you say, the most
common treatment.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Bracing is the most Bracing is the most common and
one of the more recommended means of treatment at this point.
It is effective in reducing the amount of the curve,
and surgery isn't as popular as it used to be,
so only in extreme cases usually do they recommend surgery.
(07:55):
The amount of surgery that occurs in scolios is probably
cut down by fifty or more just because they found that,
you know, one, it's not as dangerous as they thought
it was, and with a little bit more effective bracing,
it hasn't been as necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Okay, well, let's talk about how successful are you in
treating scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
We have a pretty high success rate. Now, of course
there are cases that you know, we have caught them later.
That's why early detection is the best. Of course, early
detection in any type of problem is the best type
of wave of.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, and it's great they do those spine screenings in school.
It is I don't know how that got developed or
when that started.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, there was actually quite a bit of a concern
along those lines, and there was at one point a
higher number of scoliosis, especially with a higher level of
infections the people were having that if you have childhood infections,
TV other different types of things that were pretty common
(08:57):
before the onsets of better healthcare procedures that we have,
that scoliosis was actually more common and oftentimes was considered
an early sign of some different types of infections that occur.
So that's where the thought pattern on that came. So
they started to do them earlier. But it is an
excellent type of way. And again, if you can catch
(09:18):
something early doing the proper types of things, even just
the bracing, you can keep that under control. And prevent
the surgeries. That's the main thing that you would like
to do.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
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the most comprehensive wellness center in the Midwest. We're talking
today about scoliosis and Dotter Prayth you said three percent
of the population has scoliosis and feels like those three
percent come to our office. But of course, the spine
is our specialty, one of our specialties. You are a
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chiropractor and acupuncturist. But let's talk about the treatment of scoliosis.
What about chiropractic, How does that help scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I feel that chiropractic is essential for scoliosis and
we get excellent results with it. One of the processes
that we have is called the Alyss orthogonal program. It
is a specialty. I did a three year program to
get that specialty. And the orthogonal means at right angles.
So what we do is we take the skull atlas
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and cervical spine and get it into its proper position
at ninety degrees to each other, so that there is
a balance on there that does affect the whole restless spine.
We can do pre impost X rays after an adjustment
and improve that there is a definite shift that occurs
with the cervical spine on that oftentimes there can even
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be a curve in the neck that straightens out with
that particular adjustment and then it has an effect down
the rest of the spine. Also, we work quite a
bit with a pelvis getting that leveled, and we do
that on a consistent basis. Also taking down the curves
in the lumbar and thracic spine. We can do prest
X rays right after an adjustment and show a decrease
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in the number of degrees that that occurs. So we
can prove those types of things. Now the idea is,
can we prove that it's on a consistent and it
stays there, you know. And one of the things that
of course, as we use chiropractic is we don't use
that alone. One we use exercises, corrective exercises. One of
(14:05):
the things that we do recommend is bracing for scoliosis
when it starts to get worse. So you know, it's
not something that we use alone by itself, but yes,
the chiropractic does make a very big difference, and a
lot of the people have some pain discomfort and they
can tell an immediate change along those lines. That's why
we get so many scoliosis patients in our office is
(14:28):
because they do feel and see a definite change that
occurs pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You know, and you talked about you're not just working
on the spine but the palvis. You said, the knack
even if the curve the scoliosis is in the lumbar spine. Sure,
Now I have a question. You have scoliosis in all
areas of the spine.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You can, Yes, we see a shift in the lumbar spine,
which is the most common, but then a lot of
the problems occur when it happens also in the thoracic
spine of the areas that's more difficult to treat. Usually,
as you start sculiosis, it starts in the shift in
the pelvis and the lumbar spine, but then there's a
countershift that occurs in the thoracic That's why early treatment,
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early detection on that. If you can keep the lumbar
spine under control, then you don't get the thoracic spine
change because once it starts shifting there with the rib cage,
it's a much more difficult area to bring back over
and has a tendency to keep going. So early detection,
early treatment prevents that from going up into the thracic spine,
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so you don't get the shift there. If you can
prevent that, then you can really prevent a lot of
the problems.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, it surprised me when you said that it doesn't
affect longevity of life. You would think scoliosis in thoracic region,
it would affect lungs, It would affect.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Organs surely, and it's a small number of people. Once
you get past a certain amount of degree, there is
some pressure on the lungs and heart, but they haven't
really shown that there has been a decrease in lifespan.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, that's good, Yeah, that's good. Anything else on chiropractic, Well.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Not only do we do the chiropractic portion, but we
also do cerebral spinal fluid type of adjustments. And what
is spinal fluid strebal spinal fluid. When you're talking about
the skull, the sacrum, the whole pumping of this crebral
spinal fluid always seems to be off in scoliosis patients.
So getting the cranials the sacrum pumping, we can see
(16:32):
some immediate difference along those lines. We consider that in
our e pillars of perfect health there's five pathways of
the energy flow and neurological, cerebral, spinal fluid, lymphatic, circulatory,
and electromagnetic, and each of those can play a very
big role in scoliosis. There's a lot of interference along
(16:52):
those lines. And the two areas that we find that
are most important for scoliosis on getting opened up is
the neurologe on the cerebral spinal fluid. As we can
get the pumping on there. If you're talking about a
shift on the scoliosis, the shift along those lines, there
is more pressure on this rebel spinal fluid on one
side than on the other.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, that makes sense, So that helps.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To shift the scoliosis over.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I want to make sure people know that cerebral spinal
fluid correct me if I'm wrong, is in the spinal
cord that goes through the vertebrate.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Correct, right, It's inside the rate, it's the spinal cord, okay,
and then it also goes up and bathes the brain okay,
And the main pumps along those lines are the sacram
and the occiput, also the diaphragm. So as we can
get that on an even flow, we see it immediate
correction on the scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And you do a chiropractic adjustment to move that cerebral
spinal fluid because it can get locked up.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right. The cerebral spinal fluid is an important part of
what we work with and it's a very relaxing technique
and people can feel an immediate difference along those lines.
But it's always an important part of scoliosis treatment getting
that opened up along with just relieving the nerves. So
if you're not working with that, then you're not getting
the full benefit of scoliosis treatment.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And isn't it true to people that sit for long
periods of time the cerebral spinal fluid can really lock up?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Sure? Sure, absolutely a matter of fact, you can check
how much your cerebral spinal fluid is flowing by going
up on top of your shoulders and poking on the
leavaate or scapula. The tighter it is, the less your
cerebral spinal fluid is moving. Interesting, so you can do
some deep breathing exercises and release your shoulders. So it's
an important part of what we do in the chiropractic portion.
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It definitely is a very important part of scoliosis treatment.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, let's go on to acupuncture. How does acupuncture help scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, acupuncture works on the electromagnetic energy pathway, and as
we can hit the back with the acupuncture, we see
a very definite relaxation of the muscles in the back
where they're pulling it over and again, as we can
hit those different points in there, there's a relaxation that occurs.
And as we can get those muscles relaxes it's pulling over,
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then we can see the spine helping to shift back
over into position.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And I can hear people saying, well, how does needles
in your back relax? But they do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They do.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Many of our people fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Most of them do. Matter of fact, I have a
lot of people say do you have like drugs in
those needles? You know what?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And we do not have drugs in there.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We do not have drugs in the needles. But as
we put those in, it's surprising to people think that
you put a needle in the back and you fall
asleep from it, But people say that they get even
more relaxation, more long term benefit than even a massage
because of the physiological changes that occur. I mean, it's
been well documented how it changes the physiology the body
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and the hormonal pattern of the body is really quite fascinating.
And once people start acupuncture, they go, Wow, why wasn't
I doing that before?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
H Right, So you mentioned a little bit about hormones.
Scoliosis is found more in girls and women. You talked
about the ages between ten and twenty, which is really
a growth.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Time, sure, and a big hormonal change, right, A lot
of hormonal changes the human female. Most mammals, females only
become have the shift to be able to become pregnant
only maybe once a year. Human females have it on
a monthly basis. So there's a great deal more like, yeah,
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a great deal of hormonal changes and a greater challenge
than any other creature that we know of. So with
those types of changes and the balance that occurs along
those lines, especially going through puberty, the hormones have a
greater effect on the body and has a very strong
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effect if the hormones aren't balanced, If the hormonal system
isn't going correctly. That does seem to contribute quite a
bit to scoliosis. So looking at the hormones, getting those
balanced out, we see some really good changes on the scoliosis.
And that is one of the factors that hasn't really
been scientifically explored the relationship on that. But the more
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problems that a female has with their hormonal system, the
greater chance that they do have of getting scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Interesting, we come back, let's talk more on scoliosis. Listen
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The news I got up love you. I'm Lisa Prather
and you're listening to the Voice of Health with doctor
Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we get to the
root cause of your health issue. This week we're talking
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about natural answers for scoliosis. So let's talk about supplementation
and how important is that for scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, supplementation is very important. Of course, we talked about
the hormones and as we can balance out the hormones,
not only is scoliosis health, but the health of the
child is also helped. And then also the moods. There's
a reason that teenagers can be a little difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Really.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes. One of the things that we find is we've
had you know, young girls and young young guys coming
in for scoliosis treatments and as we've gotten their hormones balanced,
the parents were like, oh, thank you. Not only have
gotten the scoliosis under control. But we have a different child,
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you know, yea. Our hormones are completely tied to our emotions,
and if our hormones are off, there's oftentimes nothing that
we can do to get our emotions under control. So,
you know, the school work I proved, their attitude at
home improved. There was just a better balance in their system.
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And almost everybody that we get in their hormones are off.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You're checking about everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Everybody who comes in.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
People's hormonal system is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just not balanced. It's a lot of stress on the system.
We have a lot of chemicals that we didn't have before.
The amount of testosterone, the balance of the female hormones
just isn't what it used to be even forty years ago.
So the need for working on someone's hormones is almost universal.
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Speaker 2 (26:41):
But it's even more important to get the hormones balanced
than kids ten to twenty. There is tremendous amount of
hormonal changes, and it's one thing that we think that
children are healthy, right, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, but it's furthest from the truth that is true. Yeah.
We just think this is part of them growing up
and this is how it's going to be, right, But
they're growing at a fast rate, faster than they're ever
going to grow. You know, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's a lot of stress on the body and there's
a lot of changes that occur, and if they can
get help during that time, it really makes a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, I mean really ideally this kind of healthcare, we
talk about structure function care from birth, even before birth.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Even before birth all the way up, and that is
something that people need to have balance checked during that time.
The perfect balance between structure function and disease care is
eighty percent of all healthcare should be structure function, twenty
percent should be disease care. And that's even promoted by
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the disease care specialists. So that is what the perfect
balance is. And we're just not there as a society,
you know. One, there isn't enough structure function doctors out
there to provide the amount of care that needs to
be there, and then the knowledge, the understanding on a
society type of basis, we just keep on thinking that
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taking a pill is going to solve our problems, and
that if you are a symptom free then you're healthy.
If you feel good, you know, take this pill and
you'll feel better. Pharmaceuticals aren't designed to bring about health.
They're designed to reduce symptoms, which is important in many cases,
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but it does not promote health. That's why we have
a healthcare crisis.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, we sure do. So we've talked about supplementation. Is
there certain supplements that help with scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, there are, you know. And one of the nice things,
especially as we're working with hormones, when you're talking about
pharmaceutical they're like an atomic bomb. They're harsh, they're strong. Obviously,
you don't want to use pharmaceutical hormone type of replacements
in the average population. That should be only used post
surgery things like that, but there are many things that
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are subtly that can be done. We give different types
of animal based concentrations of pills. Where we have thyroid,
where we have adrenals, we have the different types of
concentrations of animal products that help the body to rebuild those.
We have plant based herbal type of treatments that are
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known to stimulate the body in certain directions to increase testosterone, progesterone,
estrogen or to take them down. So we also have
homeopathics that have a big influence on those. So you know,
when we're talking about hormones, we probably have a choice
of two to three thousand different products that we can
do that can subtly change the hormonal balance of an
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individual and get that individual towards a normal type of
a hormonal balance. So as we can accomplish that, then
we can really start to see some excellent changes that occur.
And we find that just the chiropractic and the physical
isn't enough to really make the changes. You also have
to work on a physiological basis, and hormones are essential
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to do that. But also one of the big things
that we promote is the copper zinc balance. Copper zinc
balance for scoliosis is critical because the copper zinc ratio
determines the strength of the tenons and ligaments and has
a huge effect along those lines. And I find that
all scoliosis patients have an improper balance between the copper
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and zinc. As I can get that balanced out, then
we start to see some excellent changes along those lines.
So again we're not looking at a one dimensional type
of a treatment or one dimensional view of scoliosis, but
we're really looking at the whole body. And that's where
structure function comes in because we're not mechanistic minded, which
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means we look at everything as a compartment, but we
are holistic and then help the whole body to work
to accomplish the end goal.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, it's like, do those nerves that go through your
spine have anything to do with the organism? Of course
they do. This spine is just not a spine, right. Interesting.
So you talked a little bit about bracing. Is bracing
important for scolios?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Bracing is important. And one of the things is that
bracing used to be this great, big, huge contraption that
you would put around your body in it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I remember it.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was embarrassing. I mean, you put a thirteen year
old girl in a brace and center to school. It's
not going to go well. So you know, it's a
very traumatic type of thing. But now there is bracing
that has a body contour, you know, where you can't
even underneath the close you can't even tell that it's there.
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So there are there are new methods of bracing. It
can be extremely effective so that you can avoid the
heavier brace, the embarrassment that goes along with that, the
body image types of things that can be the result
of that. So you know, finding that new type of
bracing that's available, it's something that is encouraging for many
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young kids so that they don't have to go through that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And when should surgery be done for scoliosis surgery?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
There is of course different opinions on when surgery should occur,
but usually we look at the amount of degrees that
start to occur. Usually you start to think about surgery
at about a forty five degree angles. But again the
speed of doing surgery is something that isn't as promoted
as it used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How often should children be checked?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It should be once a year, so as part of
the yearly annual exam for your child, scoliosis screen should
be done just to make sure that that's not starting
to occur and you need to start to take proper measures. Now,
one of the things that I recommend is that your
child should be also getting checked for chiropractic care. And
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as a chiropractor I pick up on childhood scoliosis on
a pretty quick basis. You know that's starting to occur.
I think of one boy who was coming into her
office and he was hitting about thirteen, and I noticed
the tendency of scoliosis starting to occur, especially as he
was starting with the growth, and was aware that he
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had had a cousin who had had scoliosis, and so
I knew that that was something that happened in the family.
Blonde hair, blue eyed, long towards though, so you know,
the genetic factors I already knew were there, and so
we started a program to check. I said, you know,
we really need to up this quite a bit. One.
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I need to find out what the copper zinc ratio is,
see what the hormones are doing. Starts some regular type
of chiropractic care, a little bit of acupuncture on that,
and some exercises just as a preventative. Took X rays
on that, started to see that, you know that the
scoliosis was starting to develop, and started the program and
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three years later, you know, there's absolutely no evidence of
any scoliosis whatsoever, and I'm sure that we prevented that
from occurring. Some of the side benefit was that he
was really really healthy and they were a little concerned
because he wasn't kicking off his growth. And if you
get the Copper's inc ratio, it really speeds up the
growth quite a bit in children through keeping the hormones balanced,
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keeping the Copper's inc ratio, keeping them healthy. You can
add about four inches onto a boy on a height.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
People like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, you can do about you can adjust about two
inches on a girl. So that's the normal type of
variance depending on the hormone and nutritional balance is correct.
So there's a ratio on that which he likes because
he's a basketball player, so he's definitely growing. And once
he found out that it would also help with his growth,
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and it, well you get the growth and you also
get the girls. But you know, as soon as he
realized that, a matter of fact, if his mom forgot
it was like I need my supplements today, if actually
didn't even have to worry about it, yeah, yeah, And
he felt so much better and he really always enjoyed
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his adjustments. Their kids are really in tune with that
and know exactly when they're out well.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
And a chiropractor's training is well, it's extensive, especially the spine.
The way you read X rays and the training you've
had in X rays is very extensive. And your specialty
is the spine, so well, it would make sense even
for screenings to have it done by a chiropractor.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Chiropractic is something that I believe everybody should as part
of their structure function care. They're preventative care should be
a part of everyone's life and.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Kids, just as Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's right, Yeah, that's right. It's an important part. Athletes
realize that athletes before the Los Angeles Olympics went on strike,
the American Athletes because they weren't providing chiropractors in their program,
and they said, we can't compete to the same level
if we don't have chiropractic.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So I have a lot of adults coming in, and
I said, you know, you've got kids, Why aren't your
kids coming in? They're kids, they don't so they even
need it more.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
They're kids. They'll be fine. Yeah, but if they can
start out now.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And the children are very aware, I can't tell you
how many parents come in and their nine year old
had told them that they need to get adjusted because
something was out because they could feel it. And the
parents are just amazed that they can tell, matter of fact,
even quicker. And children respond to chiropractic even quicker than adults.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So they respond to everything.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They respond to the supplements they You know, it's a
very rewarding type of thing to take care of children
because with structure function care, if you kind of get
it pretty close, they're just going to respond. Just amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What was interesting. We had a little boy he's three,
getting adjusted by you the other day and one of
the staff goes, what is all that giggling? He just
loves it and laughs through and giggles through the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, we have a good time with the kids, and
children enjoy chiropractic and enjoy the chiropractic adjustments and the
parents who have that done can tell a big difference
in their children. And it's a great way. If you
have a chiropractor watching you, you know they're going to
pick up if scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Start to occur right before.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You don't have to wait for an annual you know,
I pick up if there's something going on. And if
I've got them like that, I've never had a child
go into scoliosis, you know, never never had it.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And then you're training and pulpation and knowing right where
that spine is, and.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Then you know, of course, I believe that just chiropractical
by itself, it really needs to be a combination of
the mineral balance, which we determine by hair.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Analysis that zinc copper zinc.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Copper ratios is something that we can watch and then
we recheck it make sure that those are balanced outs.
And as we're working with the hormones, of course we
determine that by blood test and we recheck the blood
test and make sure everything's balanced out. So this is
just an excellent way of keeping the health and well
being of your child where it should be and avoiding
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the problems that occur with scoliosis because again we see
a tremendous amount of degeneration in the spine because of scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Well, let's talk about if scoliosis is starting to develop
or there's already a problem, what diagnostics should be done.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Of course X rays should be done to find out
what's going on with that. Also, good thorough blood tests,
especially bringing up the hormonal balance, so running through those
is important. And then also the hair analysis because the
heir analysis especially shows up the Copper's inc ratio. I've
never seen someone who is developing scoliosis that didn't have
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an abnormal Copper's incratio. Really yes, So getting that balanced
out does make a really big difference in the development
of the scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
What about GI testing anything that well?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
GI testing? There is an immune system issue that can
be part of the problem. So checking the gut has
been proved through the National Institute of Health has done
a major, major study on the gut and its relationship
to the immune system. And as they said, eighty percent
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of the immune system problems are coming from the gut.
So it is an important part of one's health and
well being. And there is a very strong school of
thought that infections play a big role in scoliosis, that
there can be some infections into the spine and that's
kicking it off. And it used to be a huge
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problem and the major reason for scoliosis was infections before
the advent of antibiotics. But keeping up on that is
something that's.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Important and one thing we don't want to miss talking
about is proper exercise very important for scoliosis correct.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Very very important, So keeping up the strength of the
skeletal structure if they are starting to develop some scoliosis,
having balancing exercises is a very important part, especially checking
the iliosos and the balance that's involved with that along
with the core. Strength of the abdomen plays a very
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big role. So if you have stronger muscles in through
their the less likely the scoliosis develop, and the stronger
the muscles into the core, the less severity of the scoliosis.
So really looking at that and making sure that those
are aligned and that a proper exercise program that balances
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out the system something that's very very helpful.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Well up next, you'll hear from a mom and two
of her children about how holistic integration has made a
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Doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Zinc is one of the more important things to get
the maximum height. Boys have about a four inch variation
on what they're genetically what their height would be, but
if you don't get the proper nutrients. Zinc is one
of the biggest factors on that. If you get enough zinc,
that's probably the major thing on getting the amount.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Of growth our Some must have had enough zinc.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I gave him. A lot of Two sons came in
wanting to be basketball players, and they wanted their heights
to be taller, and one sent in anything to do
with supplements, and the other son started in on some
zinc supplements. About a year later, the other boy started,
huh because his brother got taller than his younger brother
was out growing a younger brother started taking off and
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he said, okay, I want that too. Matter of fact,
mom said that they were all over it.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
So she took the supplements. After that, he really took
that schedule your appointment at Holistic Integration three one, seven, eight, four, eight,
eighty forty eight Holistic Integration Restoring Hope. You're listening to
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the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration,
where our mission is restoring hope to our patients. Well,
we want to welcome Felicia and Abby. Hello. Hi, So Felicia,
you have four children, Yeah, and you bring them in
to Holistic Integration.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yes, we've been bringing them since they were.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Babiesh And Abby, how old are you?
Speaker 5 (43:47):
Thirteen?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Thirteen years old? Well, let's talk a little bit about
what Abby's been coming in for. And I know Mom's
going to start and then Abby, when you want to
share about your experience, you just go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
So Abby, we've been bringing Abby in because she had
an injury where she fell off of escapeboard and since
then had been having a lot of pain in her tailbone.
And I started noticing that she could not even touch
her knees and that really really concerned me at age thirteen,
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that she wouldn't even be able to touch her knees,
and she was also having trouble bending her head back
and We had been regularly coming up until that point,
but hadn't been in for a little bit, and that
injury really significantly impacted her and kind of triggered some scoliosis,
is what we found. And through treatment and coming in
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regularly to get that worked on, she can now stretch
past her knee, she can bend her head back. She's
not having pain in her tailbone anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Abby. When you had that pain, how did it affect you?
Like in school where you have a hard time during
the day.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
I couldn't sit back and when I was doing cheer
I wasn't able to really stretch at all or do
certain jumps.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, she was having a lot of trouble and cheerleading,
and actually her coach was getting frustrated with her. And
that's when I started kind of checking on why what
was going on? Yeah, and realized that she didn't have
a lot of flexibility.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
So what have you been getting at Holistic Integration? What treatment?
Do you know what that one machine is that's helping
with the scoliosis? It's extras uh huh.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
And I've been doing like little stretch things.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
With Alana, Yeah, exercises, some physical.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Therapy, and you've been getting regular adjustments, right. Yeah, she
had to have her Atlas adjusted, which she's been coming
since she was a baby and never ever needed an
Atlas adjustment until this time.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Have you grown a lot this year? Yes? I think
it's real important, especially as they grow, you'll see changes
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Do you like come into holistic integration?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Huh? What do you like about it? It's fun?
Speaker 4 (46:14):
Yeah, we always feel really cared for. And you have
really enjoyed working with your physical therapist, right.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Alana, Yeah, she's fun. She makes me up and I
was really impressed you do your exercises at home and
you knew him really well because I quizzed you on
him when I covered for a lota and you you
had him down.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
She does a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. Has that helped too, making sure you do them
at home?
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Good? Good, because then it like that gets better and
I can put my neck like almost all the way
down up.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, that was important, a huge difference in flexibility and comfort.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I think too. Felicia, you said she was having a
hard time taking her supplement.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, I was getting frustrated myself because I was like,
put your head back for your supplements, and She's like,
I can't. And that was in that moment I thought,
wait a minute, something is really really wrong. So it
kind of all happened in the course of a couple
days where I realized she was getting her cheer coach,
was getting upset that she couldn't do jumps, and I
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realized she couldn't, you know, when I asked her about it,
I realized she couldn't actually even stretch past the top
of her knee. And then I realized during supplements, Oh,
this is something too, there's more than one thing going on, yeah,
which it was all connected, but.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Right, yeah, So we have Clay here. Welcome Clay.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
How old are you? Twelve? Twelve years old? And you've
been coming to holistic integration for your whole life? So
twelve years yeah, yeah, And tell us a little bit
about what brings you in. How do you know when
you need to come to holistic integration?
Speaker 6 (48:00):
If I feel like my neck is in pain, I
feel like it tells me like that it might be
out of alignment or something.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Interesting, kind of like a car can get out of alignment, right,
so we can get out of alignment. How can you
tell do you have pain? Does it get tight, I
have pain. So when you go to holistic integration, you
see doctor Dodge or doctor Prather and they give you
an adjustment. And how does that feel?
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Whenever I get an adjustment on my neck and when
it's in pain, it feels better.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Nice. Are you able to do some things? Are they
easier to do afterwards? Like what like move my head around?
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Bend over? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Do all that kid's stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Sometimes you notice that helps your sleep too.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh yeah, that's important.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Good.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Anything you want to add, mom.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I do take my kids seriously when they say they
have some sort of pain in their neck or their
back or their legs. Because they've been going since they
were babies, they always seem to really know when they're
out of alignment. And when they say they need to
go into the office and I take them ten out
of ten, it is always just what they've said and
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they needed an adjustment.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
A lot of times kids are even more aware than adults.
Mm hmm. They know when that nervous system is off. Yeah.
Well good, well, thank you Clay for sharing your story.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Well, Fuleysha, let's talk about when Abby was an infant.
There were some issues you were having with their.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Yeah, when she was born, she was actually an emergency
c section, And throughout like the first few weeks, I
was noticing that she would only turn her head one direction,
to the point that it was actually affecting the curvature
of her skull. Because baby's skulls are so soft at
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that age. I was noticing like a flat side, and
I thought why, And she would cry if I tried
to turn, like gently turn her head the other direction.
I knew something was wrong, and so I brought her
to doctor Praither And as soon as he checked her,
he said, yeah, her neck was out and he adjusted it.
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And immediately immediately when he adjusted it, she turned her
head that direction that I had never seen her turn it.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And as an infant, that is so important. Yeah, that
there had to actually mature reflexes and for nursing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Well, and then she immediately had a blowout after that,
I think it just like cleared her whole system. And
I thought, oh, my goodness, that had really been blocked.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, it's interesting if that wasn't corrected.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
Yeah, I actually I've heard of I've like had friends
who have had that with their kid in the past,
who have said the doctors have said they need surgery,
and I've thought, oh, my goodness, just go get an adjustment,
Like you don't want surgery? Yeah, wow, such a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, let's talk about you get adjusted and you have
been since Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Sure, I actually have since I was an infant as well.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You were telling me your husband who hasn't been adjusted,
you know, since he was so thanks, you're a little
weird and why is that? Well, I don't know anything
so weird.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
But he laughs at me a lot because I'll say, oh, no,
my neck just went out and he's like what, how
can you tell Or I'll say, oh, the spot in
my back is out, and he's like, how in the
world do you know that? But he was honestly a
real skeptic. When we first started dating. One of the
things I told him was to come get adjusted.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
And he was like, wait what.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
He's like, I don't believe in this stuff, and that's weird.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
But he came in.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
He really liked me, so he came in and he
saw such a significant difference that, my goodness, he recommends
coming in to more people than I tend to.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
He is always always.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Talking about it because he saw such a significant difference.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, I think the skeptics become some of our best patients. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah, well he yeah, he has really been changed by it.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
And yeah, he'll tell me I need to.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Go in for an adjustment, and I always laugh because
I remember the beginning.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, I just you know, you just shared that you
take your kids seriously when they say and you're you're
just observing. You know, you noticed something had changed. And
your children are really growing, especially this last year, and
it's so important that they get checked. The schools aren't
checking anymore for scoliosis. Yeah, so it's so important to
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bring them in and have a professional like we have
a holistic integration checking them.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
I actually feel really grieved that I didn't take her
in right after that fall. I wonder if it would
have been even you know, she would have had even
less side effects. I definitely should have.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, you're doing a lot of right things. Yeah. Yeah,
moms shouldn't beat themselves up, right.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, But she's improved a lot, and we're so grateful.
And doctor Praither said at the stage that she's at
in her growth, because we've caught it so early, it
should be completely reversible, which is really amazing. And not
something you would hear from most doctors. But I mean,
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I've seen such a change, and we've seen a you know,
they do X rays, so we're able to even just
see changes in her spine, which is really powerful.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Great.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, thank you for sharing your story today. I know
we'd be helpful for a lot of parents out there
with kids. Holistic Integration is located at eighty nine oh
two North Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis,
just south of the I four sixty five loop. If
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we can help you to achieve better health, we'd love
to hear from you. Connect with our office at three
one seven eight four eight eighty forty eight. That's three
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Voice of Health radio dot com for the Voice of
Health with doctor Robert Prather.
Hi, I'm Lisa Praither and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Praither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. This week we're talking about natural answers for
scoliosis and doctor Prather, what is scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, scoliosis is a lateral bending of the spine abnormally,
and there are several different types of scoliosis, but it's
basically your spine is bent where it should be straight.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And how common is it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's occurs in about three percent of the population. It
is more common in females than in males, but when
a male actually gets a severe case, oftentimes they can
be even worse than a female. But it's more commonly
in girls than it is in boys.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Do you know why or do you have any theories
on that?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Actually, there are several theories that I have. One of
the things that is more well established is you know,
the bigger stronger you are, the less likely you are
to have the curves. So if you have more muscle,
then that actually reduces the curves. So boys would on
a tendency have less of a problem with the curves
than females. But along with that, one of the theories
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that I've been taught and worked with with my patients
is that there's a couple of different factors that go
into scoliosis besides just the structural and physical portion of it,
but it's also related to hormones and copper zinc imbalance,
and females have a little bit more difficulties with their
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hormonal balance than males.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We do, yes, I didn't know. Interesting. I always think
of the scoliosis testing in school and elementary school, and
now is scoliosis dangerous?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Scoliosis doesn't usually cause a reduction in lifespan, so it
is not considered really a dangerous type of thing. There
are severe cases where it can cause some pressure on
the heart and the lungs that should be avoided, but
for the most part, it is not a dangerous condition.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, well, who gets scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You said women more than men.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right, and actually girls. The age that scoliosis hits is
between the ages of ten and twenty. Now, the reasons
that are obvious on that is those are the growth times.
So during the growth period, that's a time where you
can start to develop scoliosis. Those are the ages that
you have to watch for. That's why in schools having
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the scoliosis test was an important aspect, just to see
what was going on. It is again more common in
females than in males, in about three percent of the population.
There are some hereditary factors that go into that. Caucasians
are more commonly affected by scoliosis than other races. And
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the lighter that you are, the bonder you are, the
more likely you are to get scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Interesting, Yeah, you probably have a theory about that too.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, it is definitely there's a genetic factor and then
also there is a factor in how long the lumbar
spine is. And if you get into the German and
Scandinavian they have a longer lumbar spine than the rest
of the world.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I have never heard that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, it's something that's bigger disks. Yeah, there's just a
longer area in there meta factor, not more vertebrae, not
more vertebrae, no, but there is a longer torso involved
in those types of situations. In a matter of fact,
as they look back in anthropology, you know, to check
scoliosis was more common back forty thousand years ago or so,
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because people were a little had a longer spine in there,
and then it seemed to be probably a little bit
too unstable, so it was shortened quite a bit in
a lot of the population, but still longer in Scandinavian
German populations.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Interesting, so what causes scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
One of the things that used to be a big
factor is infections, So different types of infections would kick
off scoliosis. A matter of fact, nowadays, there are certain
infections that are known to help to cause scoliosis, and
that was the considered in the ancient times the main cause,
because of course infections were more common and as you
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would get an infection, you did seem to have a
higher incidence of scoliosis. There are some genetic types of things,
things that can occur so that you know, that can
actually kick off scoliosis. But most of scoliosis right now
in the modern population in the developed world, we call
it idiopathic scoliosis. And do you know why they call
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it idiopathic because we're idiots and we don't know what
causes it. Who says doctors don't have humor? Though I
personally have some theories on that they're not accepted by
the general population, but we do well by the general
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scientifics population. But there is a group of us who
have come up with some scoliosis treatments very effective and
we get really good results off of it. So it
seems to be true. We haven't actually proven it, but
I think in the future that that would be something
that we could actually accomplish.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, let's talk about the different types of scoliosis. You
just mentioned the idiot one.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, well, and then there's the other type of scoliosis
where there is an actual structural problem where you know,
you have a what's called a hemivertebrae, a half of
a vertebrae that causes sort of a collapse on that
and so there can be some definite factors within development
of the spine that can develop scoliosis. But that's about
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two percent of all the population of scoliosis. The vast
majority of it at this point is what we call
the idiopathic scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So you're saying scoliosis is three percent population, I thought
it would be higher. Well, you know, it's because of
our profession, right, we see people with scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
People who have scoliosis have a higher tendency for dis degeneration,
for back problems, you know, more spasms. So as a chiropractor,
we get a lot of people with scoliosis in our office,
so you know, as we're looking at the x rays,
it's a lot higher than three percent.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right now, can scoliosis be treated?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Scoliosis can be treated. There are, of course the well
established type of way of bracing and surgery, and at
this point that is the accepted method of treatment. But
we do find within our practice doing some of the
alternative types of ways that we've gotten some very good
results if we can catch it early enough.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So surgery is still what would you say, the most
common treatment.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Bracing is the most Bracing is the most common and
one of the more recommended means of treatment at this point.
It is effective in reducing the amount of the curve,
and surgery isn't as popular as it used to be,
so only in extreme cases usually do they recommend surgery.
(07:55):
The amount of surgery that occurs in scolios is probably
cut down by fifty or more just because they found that,
you know, one, it's not as dangerous as they thought
it was, and with a little bit more effective bracing,
it hasn't been as necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Okay, well, let's talk about how successful are you in
treating scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
We have a pretty high success rate. Now, of course
there are cases that you know, we have caught them later.
That's why early detection is the best. Of course, early
detection in any type of problem is the best type
of wave of.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, and it's great they do those spine screenings in school.
It is I don't know how that got developed or
when that started.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, there was actually quite a bit of a concern
along those lines, and there was at one point a
higher number of scoliosis, especially with a higher level of
infections the people were having that if you have childhood infections,
TV other different types of things that were pretty common
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before the onsets of better healthcare procedures that we have,
that scoliosis was actually more common and oftentimes was considered
an early sign of some different types of infections that occur.
So that's where the thought pattern on that came. So
they started to do them earlier. But it is an
excellent type of way. And again, if you can catch
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something early doing the proper types of things, even just
the bracing, you can keep that under control. And prevent
the surgeries. That's the main thing that you would like
to do.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
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Voice of Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration,
the most comprehensive wellness center in the Midwest. We're talking
today about scoliosis and Dotter Prayth you said three percent
of the population has scoliosis and feels like those three
percent come to our office. But of course, the spine
is our specialty, one of our specialties. You are a
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chiropractor and acupuncturist. But let's talk about the treatment of scoliosis.
What about chiropractic, How does that help scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I feel that chiropractic is essential for scoliosis and
we get excellent results with it. One of the processes
that we have is called the Alyss orthogonal program. It
is a specialty. I did a three year program to
get that specialty. And the orthogonal means at right angles.
So what we do is we take the skull atlas
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and cervical spine and get it into its proper position
at ninety degrees to each other, so that there is
a balance on there that does affect the whole restless spine.
We can do pre impost X rays after an adjustment
and improve that there is a definite shift that occurs
with the cervical spine on that oftentimes there can even
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be a curve in the neck that straightens out with
that particular adjustment and then it has an effect down
the rest of the spine. Also, we work quite a
bit with a pelvis getting that leveled, and we do
that on a consistent basis. Also taking down the curves
in the lumbar and thracic spine. We can do prest
X rays right after an adjustment and show a decrease
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in the number of degrees that that occurs. So we
can prove those types of things. Now the idea is,
can we prove that it's on a consistent and it
stays there, you know. And one of the things that
of course, as we use chiropractic is we don't use
that alone. One we use exercises, corrective exercises. One of
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the things that we do recommend is bracing for scoliosis
when it starts to get worse. So you know, it's
not something that we use alone by itself, but yes,
the chiropractic does make a very big difference, and a
lot of the people have some pain discomfort and they
can tell an immediate change along those lines. That's why
we get so many scoliosis patients in our office is
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because they do feel and see a definite change that
occurs pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You know, and you talked about you're not just working
on the spine but the palvis. You said, the knack
even if the curve the scoliosis is in the lumbar spine. Sure,
Now I have a question. You have scoliosis in all
areas of the spine.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You can, Yes, we see a shift in the lumbar spine,
which is the most common, but then a lot of
the problems occur when it happens also in the thoracic
spine of the areas that's more difficult to treat. Usually,
as you start sculiosis, it starts in the shift in
the pelvis and the lumbar spine, but then there's a
countershift that occurs in the thoracic That's why early treatment,
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early detection on that. If you can keep the lumbar
spine under control, then you don't get the thoracic spine
change because once it starts shifting there with the rib cage,
it's a much more difficult area to bring back over
and has a tendency to keep going. So early detection,
early treatment prevents that from going up into the thracic spine,
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so you don't get the shift there. If you can
prevent that, then you can really prevent a lot of
the problems.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, it surprised me when you said that it doesn't
affect longevity of life. You would think scoliosis in thoracic region,
it would affect lungs, It would affect.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Organs surely, and it's a small number of people. Once
you get past a certain amount of degree, there is
some pressure on the lungs and heart, but they haven't
really shown that there has been a decrease in lifespan.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, that's good, Yeah, that's good. Anything else on chiropractic, Well.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Not only do we do the chiropractic portion, but we
also do cerebral spinal fluid type of adjustments. And what
is spinal fluid strebal spinal fluid. When you're talking about
the skull, the sacrum, the whole pumping of this crebral
spinal fluid always seems to be off in scoliosis patients.
So getting the cranials the sacrum pumping, we can see
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some immediate difference along those lines. We consider that in
our e pillars of perfect health there's five pathways of
the energy flow and neurological, cerebral, spinal fluid, lymphatic, circulatory,
and electromagnetic, and each of those can play a very
big role in scoliosis. There's a lot of interference along
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those lines. And the two areas that we find that
are most important for scoliosis on getting opened up is
the neurologe on the cerebral spinal fluid. As we can
get the pumping on there. If you're talking about a
shift on the scoliosis, the shift along those lines, there
is more pressure on this rebel spinal fluid on one
side than on the other.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, that makes sense, So that helps.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To shift the scoliosis over.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I want to make sure people know that cerebral spinal
fluid correct me if I'm wrong, is in the spinal
cord that goes through the vertebrate.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Correct, right, It's inside the rate, it's the spinal cord, okay,
and then it also goes up and bathes the brain okay,
And the main pumps along those lines are the sacram
and the occiput, also the diaphragm. So as we can
get that on an even flow, we see it immediate
correction on the scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And you do a chiropractic adjustment to move that cerebral
spinal fluid because it can get locked up.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right. The cerebral spinal fluid is an important part of
what we work with and it's a very relaxing technique
and people can feel an immediate difference along those lines.
But it's always an important part of scoliosis treatment getting
that opened up along with just relieving the nerves. So
if you're not working with that, then you're not getting
the full benefit of scoliosis treatment.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And isn't it true to people that sit for long
periods of time the cerebral spinal fluid can really lock up?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Sure? Sure, absolutely a matter of fact, you can check
how much your cerebral spinal fluid is flowing by going
up on top of your shoulders and poking on the
leavaate or scapula. The tighter it is, the less your
cerebral spinal fluid is moving. Interesting, so you can do
some deep breathing exercises and release your shoulders. So it's
an important part of what we do in the chiropractic portion.
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It definitely is a very important part of scoliosis treatment.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, let's go on to acupuncture. How does acupuncture help scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, acupuncture works on the electromagnetic energy pathway, and as
we can hit the back with the acupuncture, we see
a very definite relaxation of the muscles in the back
where they're pulling it over and again, as we can
hit those different points in there, there's a relaxation that occurs.
And as we can get those muscles relaxes it's pulling over,
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then we can see the spine helping to shift back
over into position.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And I can hear people saying, well, how does needles
in your back relax? But they do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They do.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Many of our people fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Most of them do. Matter of fact, I have a
lot of people say do you have like drugs in
those needles? You know what?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And we do not have drugs in there.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We do not have drugs in the needles. But as
we put those in, it's surprising to people think that
you put a needle in the back and you fall
asleep from it, But people say that they get even
more relaxation, more long term benefit than even a massage
because of the physiological changes that occur. I mean, it's
been well documented how it changes the physiology the body
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and the hormonal pattern of the body is really quite fascinating.
And once people start acupuncture, they go, Wow, why wasn't
I doing that before?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
H Right, So you mentioned a little bit about hormones.
Scoliosis is found more in girls and women. You talked
about the ages between ten and twenty, which is really
a growth.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Time, sure, and a big hormonal change, right, A lot
of hormonal changes the human female. Most mammals, females only
become have the shift to be able to become pregnant
only maybe once a year. Human females have it on
a monthly basis. So there's a great deal more like, yeah,
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a great deal of hormonal changes and a greater challenge
than any other creature that we know of. So with
those types of changes and the balance that occurs along
those lines, especially going through puberty, the hormones have a
greater effect on the body and has a very strong
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effect if the hormones aren't balanced, If the hormonal system
isn't going correctly. That does seem to contribute quite a
bit to scoliosis. So looking at the hormones, getting those
balanced out, we see some really good changes on the scoliosis.
And that is one of the factors that hasn't really
been scientifically explored the relationship on that. But the more
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problems that a female has with their hormonal system, the
greater chance that they do have of getting scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Interesting, we come back, let's talk more on scoliosis. Listen
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The news I got up love you. I'm Lisa Prather
and you're listening to the Voice of Health with doctor
Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we get to the
root cause of your health issue. This week we're talking
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about natural answers for scoliosis. So let's talk about supplementation
and how important is that for scoliosis.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, supplementation is very important. Of course, we talked about
the hormones and as we can balance out the hormones,
not only is scoliosis health, but the health of the
child is also helped. And then also the moods. There's
a reason that teenagers can be a little difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Really.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes. One of the things that we find is we've
had you know, young girls and young young guys coming
in for scoliosis treatments and as we've gotten their hormones balanced,
the parents were like, oh, thank you. Not only have
gotten the scoliosis under control. But we have a different child,
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you know, yea. Our hormones are completely tied to our emotions,
and if our hormones are off, there's oftentimes nothing that
we can do to get our emotions under control. So,
you know, the school work I proved, their attitude at
home improved. There was just a better balance in their system.
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And almost everybody that we get in their hormones are off.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You're checking about everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Everybody who comes in.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
People's hormonal system is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just not balanced. It's a lot of stress on the system.
We have a lot of chemicals that we didn't have before.
The amount of testosterone, the balance of the female hormones
just isn't what it used to be even forty years ago.
So the need for working on someone's hormones is almost universal.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I think all this technology and for me, I mean,
that is a huge stressor remembering all my usernames and passwords,
I mean, and all the security.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
You know that we're showing our age.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I am. I know we're learning new software at the office,
and you know, all our young staff have no problems
with it. I'm fighting it every way can.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But it's even more important to get the hormones balanced
than kids ten to twenty. There is tremendous amount of
hormonal changes, and it's one thing that we think that
children are healthy, right, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, but it's furthest from the truth that is true. Yeah.
We just think this is part of them growing up
and this is how it's going to be, right, But
they're growing at a fast rate, faster than they're ever
going to grow. You know, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's a lot of stress on the body and there's
a lot of changes that occur, and if they can
get help during that time, it really makes a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, I mean really ideally this kind of healthcare, we
talk about structure function care from birth, even before birth.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Even before birth all the way up, and that is
something that people need to have balance checked during that time.
The perfect balance between structure function and disease care is
eighty percent of all healthcare should be structure function, twenty
percent should be disease care. And that's even promoted by
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the disease care specialists. So that is what the perfect
balance is. And we're just not there as a society,
you know. One, there isn't enough structure function doctors out
there to provide the amount of care that needs to
be there, and then the knowledge, the understanding on a
society type of basis, we just keep on thinking that
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taking a pill is going to solve our problems, and
that if you are a symptom free then you're healthy.
If you feel good, you know, take this pill and
you'll feel better. Pharmaceuticals aren't designed to bring about health.
They're designed to reduce symptoms, which is important in many cases,
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but it does not promote health. That's why we have
a healthcare crisis.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, we sure do. So we've talked about supplementation. Is
there certain supplements that help with scoliosis?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, there are, you know. And one of the nice things,
especially as we're working with hormones, when you're talking about
pharmaceutical they're like an atomic bomb. They're harsh, they're strong. Obviously,
you don't want to use pharmaceutical hormone type of replacements
in the average population. That should be only used post
surgery things like that, but there are many things that
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are subtly that can be done. We give different types
of animal based concentrations of pills. Where we have thyroid,
where we have adrenals, we have the different types of
concentrations of animal products that help the body to rebuild those.
We have plant based herbal type of treatments that are
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known to stimulate the body in certain directions to increase testosterone, progesterone,
estrogen or to take them down. So we also have
homeopathics that have a big influence on those. So you know,
when we're talking about hormones, we probably have a choice
of two to three thousand different products that we can
do that can subtly change the hormonal balance of an
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individual and get that individual towards a normal type of
a hormonal balance. So as we can accomplish that, then
we can really start to see some excellent changes that occur.
And we find that just the chiropractic and the physical
isn't enough to really make the changes. You also have
to work on a physiological basis, and hormones are essential
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to do that. But also one of the big things
that we promote is the copper zinc balance. Copper zinc
balance for scoliosis is critical because the copper zinc ratio
determines the strength of the tenons and ligaments and has
a huge effect along those lines. And I find that
all scoliosis patients have an improper balance between the copper
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and zinc. As I can get that balanced out, then
we start to see some excellent changes along those lines.
So again we're not looking at a one dimensional type
of a treatment or one dimensional view of scoliosis, but
we're really looking at the whole body. And that's where
structure function comes in because we're not mechanistic minded, which
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means we look at everything as a compartment, but we
are holistic and then help the whole body to work
to accomplish the end goal.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, it's like, do those nerves that go through your
spine have anything to do with the organism? Of course
they do. This spine is just not a spine, right. Interesting.
So you talked a little bit about bracing. Is bracing
important for scolios?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Bracing is important. And one of the things is that
bracing used to be this great, big, huge contraption that
you would put around your body in it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I remember it.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was embarrassing. I mean, you put a thirteen year
old girl in a brace and center to school. It's
not going to go well. So you know, it's a
very traumatic type of thing. But now there is bracing
that has a body contour, you know, where you can't
even underneath the close you can't even tell that it's there.
(31:59):
So there are there are new methods of bracing. It
can be extremely effective so that you can avoid the
heavier brace, the embarrassment that goes along with that, the
body image types of things that can be the result
of that. So you know, finding that new type of
bracing that's available, it's something that is encouraging for many
(32:21):
young kids so that they don't have to go through that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And when should surgery be done for scoliosis surgery?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
There is of course different opinions on when surgery should occur,
but usually we look at the amount of degrees that
start to occur. Usually you start to think about surgery
at about a forty five degree angles. But again the
speed of doing surgery is something that isn't as promoted
as it used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How often should children be checked?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It should be once a year, so as part of
the yearly annual exam for your child, scoliosis screen should
be done just to make sure that that's not starting
to occur and you need to start to take proper measures. Now,
one of the things that I recommend is that your
child should be also getting checked for chiropractic care. And
(33:17):
as a chiropractor I pick up on childhood scoliosis on
a pretty quick basis. You know that's starting to occur.
I think of one boy who was coming into her
office and he was hitting about thirteen, and I noticed
the tendency of scoliosis starting to occur, especially as he
was starting with the growth, and was aware that he
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had had a cousin who had had scoliosis, and so
I knew that that was something that happened in the family.
Blonde hair, blue eyed, long towards though, so you know,
the genetic factors I already knew were there, and so
we started a program to check. I said, you know,
we really need to up this quite a bit. One.
(34:01):
I need to find out what the copper zinc ratio is,
see what the hormones are doing. Starts some regular type
of chiropractic care, a little bit of acupuncture on that,
and some exercises just as a preventative. Took X rays
on that, started to see that, you know that the
scoliosis was starting to develop, and started the program and
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three years later, you know, there's absolutely no evidence of
any scoliosis whatsoever, and I'm sure that we prevented that
from occurring. Some of the side benefit was that he
was really really healthy and they were a little concerned
because he wasn't kicking off his growth. And if you
get the Copper's inc ratio, it really speeds up the
growth quite a bit in children through keeping the hormones balanced,
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keeping the Copper's inc ratio, keeping them healthy. You can
add about four inches onto a boy on a height.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
People like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, you can do about you can adjust about two
inches on a girl. So that's the normal type of
variance depending on the hormone and nutritional balance is correct.
So there's a ratio on that which he likes because
he's a basketball player, so he's definitely growing. And once
he found out that it would also help with his growth,
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and it, well you get the growth and you also
get the girls. But you know, as soon as he
realized that, a matter of fact, if his mom forgot
it was like I need my supplements today, if actually
didn't even have to worry about it, yeah, yeah, And
he felt so much better and he really always enjoyed
(35:39):
his adjustments. Their kids are really in tune with that
and know exactly when they're out well.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
And a chiropractor's training is well, it's extensive, especially the spine.
The way you read X rays and the training you've
had in X rays is very extensive. And your specialty
is the spine, so well, it would make sense even
for screenings to have it done by a chiropractor.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Chiropractic is something that I believe everybody should as part
of their structure function care. They're preventative care should be
a part of everyone's life and.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Kids, just as Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's right, Yeah, that's right. It's an important part. Athletes
realize that athletes before the Los Angeles Olympics went on strike,
the American Athletes because they weren't providing chiropractors in their program,
and they said, we can't compete to the same level
if we don't have chiropractic.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So I have a lot of adults coming in, and
I said, you know, you've got kids, Why aren't your
kids coming in? They're kids, they don't so they even
need it more.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
They're kids. They'll be fine. Yeah, but if they can
start out now.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And the children are very aware, I can't tell you
how many parents come in and their nine year old
had told them that they need to get adjusted because
something was out because they could feel it. And the
parents are just amazed that they can tell, matter of fact,
even quicker. And children respond to chiropractic even quicker than adults.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So they respond to everything.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
They respond to the supplements they You know, it's a
very rewarding type of thing to take care of children
because with structure function care, if you kind of get
it pretty close, they're just going to respond. Just amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What was interesting. We had a little boy he's three,
getting adjusted by you the other day and one of
the staff goes, what is all that giggling? He just
loves it and laughs through and giggles through the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, we have a good time with the kids, and
children enjoy chiropractic and enjoy the chiropractic adjustments and the
parents who have that done can tell a big difference
in their children. And it's a great way. If you
have a chiropractor watching you, you know they're going to
pick up if scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Start to occur right before.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You don't have to wait for an annual you know,
I pick up if there's something going on. And if
I've got them like that, I've never had a child
go into scoliosis, you know, never never had it.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And then you're training and pulpation and knowing right where
that spine is, and.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Then you know, of course, I believe that just chiropractical
by itself, it really needs to be a combination of
the mineral balance, which we determine by hair.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Analysis that zinc copper zinc.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Copper ratios is something that we can watch and then
we recheck it make sure that those are balanced outs.
And as we're working with the hormones, of course we
determine that by blood test and we recheck the blood
test and make sure everything's balanced out. So this is
just an excellent way of keeping the health and well
being of your child where it should be and avoiding
(38:50):
the problems that occur with scoliosis because again we see
a tremendous amount of degeneration in the spine because of scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Well, let's talk about if scoliosis is starting to develop
or there's already a problem, what diagnostics should be done.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Of course X rays should be done to find out
what's going on with that. Also, good thorough blood tests,
especially bringing up the hormonal balance, so running through those
is important. And then also the hair analysis because the
heir analysis especially shows up the Copper's inc ratio. I've
never seen someone who is developing scoliosis that didn't have
(39:29):
an abnormal Copper's incratio. Really yes, So getting that balanced
out does make a really big difference in the development
of the scoliosis.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
What about GI testing anything that well?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
GI testing? There is an immune system issue that can
be part of the problem. So checking the gut has
been proved through the National Institute of Health has done
a major, major study on the gut and its relationship
to the immune system. And as they said, eighty percent
(40:05):
of the immune system problems are coming from the gut.
So it is an important part of one's health and
well being. And there is a very strong school of
thought that infections play a big role in scoliosis, that
there can be some infections into the spine and that's
kicking it off. And it used to be a huge
(40:27):
problem and the major reason for scoliosis was infections before
the advent of antibiotics. But keeping up on that is
something that's.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Important and one thing we don't want to miss talking
about is proper exercise very important for scoliosis correct.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Very very important, So keeping up the strength of the
skeletal structure if they are starting to develop some scoliosis,
having balancing exercises is a very important part, especially checking
the iliosos and the balance that's involved with that along
with the core. Strength of the abdomen plays a very
(41:03):
big role. So if you have stronger muscles in through
their the less likely the scoliosis develop, and the stronger
the muscles into the core, the less severity of the scoliosis.
So really looking at that and making sure that those
are aligned and that a proper exercise program that balances
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out the system something that's very very helpful.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Well up next, you'll hear from a mom and two
of her children about how holistic integration has made a
difference in their lives. We'll be right back. Never miss
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Doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Zinc is one of the more important things to get
the maximum height. Boys have about a four inch variation
on what they're genetically what their height would be, but
if you don't get the proper nutrients. Zinc is one
of the biggest factors on that. If you get enough zinc,
that's probably the major thing on getting the amount.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Of growth our Some must have had enough zinc.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I gave him. A lot of Two sons came in
wanting to be basketball players, and they wanted their heights
to be taller, and one sent in anything to do
with supplements, and the other son started in on some
zinc supplements. About a year later, the other boy started,
huh because his brother got taller than his younger brother
was out growing a younger brother started taking off and
(42:55):
he said, okay, I want that too. Matter of fact,
mom said that they were all over it.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
So she took the supplements. After that, he really took
that schedule your appointment at Holistic Integration three one, seven, eight, four, eight,
eighty forty eight Holistic Integration Restoring Hope. You're listening to
(43:22):
the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration,
where our mission is restoring hope to our patients. Well,
we want to welcome Felicia and Abby. Hello. Hi, So Felicia,
you have four children, Yeah, and you bring them in
to Holistic Integration.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yes, we've been bringing them since they were.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Babiesh And Abby, how old are you?
Speaker 5 (43:47):
Thirteen?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Thirteen years old? Well, let's talk a little bit about
what Abby's been coming in for. And I know Mom's
going to start and then Abby, when you want to
share about your experience, you just go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
So Abby, we've been bringing Abby in because she had
an injury where she fell off of escapeboard and since
then had been having a lot of pain in her tailbone.
And I started noticing that she could not even touch
her knees and that really really concerned me at age thirteen,
(44:22):
that she wouldn't even be able to touch her knees,
and she was also having trouble bending her head back
and We had been regularly coming up until that point,
but hadn't been in for a little bit, and that
injury really significantly impacted her and kind of triggered some scoliosis,
is what we found. And through treatment and coming in
(44:43):
regularly to get that worked on, she can now stretch
past her knee, she can bend her head back. She's
not having pain in her tailbone anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Abby. When you had that pain, how did it affect you?
Like in school where you have a hard time during
the day.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
I couldn't sit back and when I was doing cheer
I wasn't able to really stretch at all or do
certain jumps.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, she was having a lot of trouble and cheerleading,
and actually her coach was getting frustrated with her. And
that's when I started kind of checking on why what
was going on? Yeah, and realized that she didn't have
a lot of flexibility.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
So what have you been getting at Holistic Integration? What treatment?
Do you know what that one machine is that's helping
with the scoliosis? It's extras uh huh.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
And I've been doing like little stretch things.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
With Alana, Yeah, exercises, some physical.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Therapy, and you've been getting regular adjustments, right. Yeah, she
had to have her Atlas adjusted, which she's been coming
since she was a baby and never ever needed an
Atlas adjustment until this time.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Have you grown a lot this year? Yes? I think
it's real important, especially as they grow, you'll see changes
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Do you like come into holistic integration?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Huh? What do you like about it? It's fun?
Speaker 4 (46:14):
Yeah, we always feel really cared for. And you have
really enjoyed working with your physical therapist, right.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Alana, Yeah, she's fun. She makes me up and I
was really impressed you do your exercises at home and
you knew him really well because I quizzed you on
him when I covered for a lota and you you
had him down.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
She does a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. Has that helped too, making sure you do them
at home?
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Good? Good, because then it like that gets better and
I can put my neck like almost all the way
down up.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, that was important, a huge difference in flexibility and comfort.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I think too. Felicia, you said she was having a
hard time taking her supplement.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, I was getting frustrated myself because I was like,
put your head back for your supplements, and She's like,
I can't. And that was in that moment I thought,
wait a minute, something is really really wrong. So it
kind of all happened in the course of a couple
days where I realized she was getting her cheer coach,
was getting upset that she couldn't do jumps, and I
(47:23):
realized she couldn't, you know, when I asked her about it,
I realized she couldn't actually even stretch past the top
of her knee. And then I realized during supplements, Oh,
this is something too, there's more than one thing going on, yeah,
which it was all connected, but.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Right, yeah, So we have Clay here. Welcome Clay.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
How old are you? Twelve? Twelve years old? And you've
been coming to holistic integration for your whole life? So
twelve years yeah, yeah, And tell us a little bit
about what brings you in. How do you know when
you need to come to holistic integration?
Speaker 6 (48:00):
If I feel like my neck is in pain, I
feel like it tells me like that it might be
out of alignment or something.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Interesting, kind of like a car can get out of alignment, right,
so we can get out of alignment. How can you
tell do you have pain? Does it get tight, I
have pain. So when you go to holistic integration, you
see doctor Dodge or doctor Prather and they give you
an adjustment. And how does that feel?
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Whenever I get an adjustment on my neck and when
it's in pain, it feels better.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Nice. Are you able to do some things? Are they
easier to do afterwards? Like what like move my head around?
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Bend over? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Do all that kid's stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Sometimes you notice that helps your sleep too.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh yeah, that's important.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Good.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Anything you want to add, mom.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I do take my kids seriously when they say they
have some sort of pain in their neck or their
back or their legs. Because they've been going since they
were babies, they always seem to really know when they're
out of alignment. And when they say they need to
go into the office and I take them ten out
of ten, it is always just what they've said and
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they needed an adjustment.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
A lot of times kids are even more aware than adults.
Mm hmm. They know when that nervous system is off. Yeah.
Well good, well, thank you Clay for sharing your story.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Well, Fuleysha, let's talk about when Abby was an infant.
There were some issues you were having with their.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Yeah, when she was born, she was actually an emergency
c section, And throughout like the first few weeks, I
was noticing that she would only turn her head one direction,
to the point that it was actually affecting the curvature
of her skull. Because baby's skulls are so soft at
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that age. I was noticing like a flat side, and
I thought why, And she would cry if I tried
to turn, like gently turn her head the other direction.
I knew something was wrong, and so I brought her
to doctor Praither And as soon as he checked her,
he said, yeah, her neck was out and he adjusted it.
(50:25):
And immediately immediately when he adjusted it, she turned her
head that direction that I had never seen her turn it.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And as an infant, that is so important. Yeah, that
there had to actually mature reflexes and for nursing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Well, and then she immediately had a blowout after that,
I think it just like cleared her whole system. And
I thought, oh, my goodness, that had really been blocked.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, it's interesting if that wasn't corrected.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
Yeah, I actually I've heard of I've like had friends
who have had that with their kid in the past,
who have said the doctors have said they need surgery,
and I've thought, oh, my goodness, just go get an adjustment,
Like you don't want surgery? Yeah, wow, such a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, let's talk about you get adjusted and you have
been since Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Sure, I actually have since I was an infant as well.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You were telling me your husband who hasn't been adjusted,
you know, since he was so thanks, you're a little
weird and why is that? Well, I don't know anything
so weird.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
But he laughs at me a lot because I'll say, oh, no,
my neck just went out and he's like what, how
can you tell Or I'll say, oh, the spot in
my back is out, and he's like, how in the
world do you know that? But he was honestly a
real skeptic. When we first started dating. One of the
things I told him was to come get adjusted.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
And he was like, wait what.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
He's like, I don't believe in this stuff, and that's weird.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
But he came in.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
He really liked me, so he came in and he
saw such a significant difference that, my goodness, he recommends
coming in to more people than I tend to.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
He is always always.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Talking about it because he saw such a significant difference.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, I think the skeptics become some of our best patients. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah, well he yeah, he has really been changed by it.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
And yeah, he'll tell me I need to.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Go in for an adjustment, and I always laugh because
I remember the beginning.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, I just you know, you just shared that you
take your kids seriously when they say and you're you're
just observing. You know, you noticed something had changed. And
your children are really growing, especially this last year, and
it's so important that they get checked. The schools aren't
checking anymore for scoliosis. Yeah, so it's so important to
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bring them in and have a professional like we have
a holistic integration checking them.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
I actually feel really grieved that I didn't take her
in right after that fall. I wonder if it would
have been even you know, she would have had even
less side effects. I definitely should have.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, you're doing a lot of right things. Yeah. Yeah,
moms shouldn't beat themselves up, right.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, But she's improved a lot, and we're so grateful.
And doctor Praither said at the stage that she's at
in her growth, because we've caught it so early, it
should be completely reversible, which is really amazing. And not
something you would hear from most doctors. But I mean,
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I've seen such a change, and we've seen a you know,
they do X rays, so we're able to even just
see changes in her spine, which is really powerful.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Great.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, thank you for sharing your story today. I know
we'd be helpful for a lot of parents out there
with kids. Holistic Integration is located at eighty nine oh
two North Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis,
just south of the I four sixty five loop. If
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we can help you to achieve better health, we'd love
to hear from you. Connect with our office at three
one seven eight four eight eighty forty eight. That's three
one seven eight four eight eighty forty eight. Join us
again next week or anytime on our website at the
Voice of Health radio dot com for the Voice of
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