November 22, 2025 • 54 mins
There are over 16,000 car accidents every day in America. And injuries do not always show up immediately after an accident. In this episode, you'll learn about:
—Why you can't rely on hospitals to conduct X-rays after an accident or have injuries correctly diagnosed by your regular doctor.
—What Dr. Prather looks for as he examines an accident victim. And how Dr. Prather, as a Chiropractor, can see obvious injuries from an accident years later when hospitals and other doctors missed them.
—How Dr. Prather can tell how long ago an accident occurred based on arthritis that has been developed as a result of the accident trauma.
—Why lower-speed accidents can cause GREATER injuries compared to high-speed injuries.
—The most common injury from car accidents.
—Why you need a Chiropractic adjustment following a whiplash injury to get the neck aligned in proper position.
—The computerized, range-of-motion muscle test (JTECH) that compares your progress before and after treatment.
—The Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractic adjustment that is recognized as the most effective procedure to bring your neck into proper alignment. And how Dr. Prather is the only board certified Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor in Indiana.
—The role Acupuncture plays in eliminating inflammation more effectively and safely than dangerous prescriptions.
—Plus, you won't want to miss hearing the amazing story of Spencer and all that he endured before he found "life-changing" results at Holistic Integration.
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—Why you can't rely on hospitals to conduct X-rays after an accident or have injuries correctly diagnosed by your regular doctor.
—What Dr. Prather looks for as he examines an accident victim. And how Dr. Prather, as a Chiropractor, can see obvious injuries from an accident years later when hospitals and other doctors missed them.
—How Dr. Prather can tell how long ago an accident occurred based on arthritis that has been developed as a result of the accident trauma.
—Why lower-speed accidents can cause GREATER injuries compared to high-speed injuries.
—The most common injury from car accidents.
—Why you need a Chiropractic adjustment following a whiplash injury to get the neck aligned in proper position.
—The computerized, range-of-motion muscle test (JTECH) that compares your progress before and after treatment.
—The Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractic adjustment that is recognized as the most effective procedure to bring your neck into proper alignment. And how Dr. Prather is the only board certified Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor in Indiana.
—The role Acupuncture plays in eliminating inflammation more effectively and safely than dangerous prescriptions.
—Plus, you won't want to miss hearing the amazing story of Spencer and all that he endured before he found "life-changing" results at Holistic Integration.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, I'm Lisa Prather and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Braither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. Today, we're going to talk about car accidents,
the most common injury.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Very common reason for people to come into us in
the office, and something that you know people need to
be aware of. You don't really think about getting into
a car accident until it happens, right, and then it's
kind of a shock to your system. So everything's handled
better if you prethink something. Every ten seconds somebody gets
(00:52):
into a car accident, and you know, you think about
how much time we're in a car, and it's not surprising.
So you know, when you're talking about your answers of
getting in one, it's pretty high, right, you know, a
very common cause of deaths. It's something that has been
improved on, you know, with the advent of seat belts,
the airbags, the cars are getting much much safer.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But it is the drivers getting safer.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, well, you know one of the things is it
actually is getting safer. Part of the reasons are the
awareness of drunk driving or impaired driving. The idea of
keeping people from texting while they're driving. That's not a
real good idea. It's also one of the biggest things
that has improved that is increasing the age of drivers.
(01:41):
The younger you are, the more likely you are to
be involved in a fatal car crash. It's just a
matter of teenagers don't really think that well at times.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Have you ever noticed that?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Uh huh, yes, I.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Injuries always show up immediately. I know we had an accident.
We were at a stop light down in Bloomington, moving
our daughter into IU her freshman year. I had my
head down reading you were driving. Boom, someone just hit us.
I don't know how fast they were going. Would we
(02:15):
think they were going.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Ten twenty miles from now? Probably? I mean, you know
it wasn't really that fast.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right, But that caused a lot of damage in my
neck that you wouldn't think. People call that a fender
bender or that person wasn't being aware. They really shouldn't
have had their license. No, they were from another country.
I don't think they ever drove in and then they
come here and we give them a license.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right right, they should I don't know. Yeah, how they
actually passed a driver's test and the.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, I was a little ticked off. You know, she
wasn't paying attention at all to our brake lights. So
but you took an X ray and there were.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There was definitely damage that had occurred. And interestingly enough,
I went through it without a problem.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Why is that? Well, was it that the head position
I was in, I wasn't relaxed?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It was, Yes, all those different types of things. Well,
of course, one, I've got a bigger neck, I've got
a lot more I've got a lot more musculature there.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, when you've.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Got a smaller, thinner, more beautiful neck to line, thank you,
then you know your chances of getting injured or much higher. Also,
the position that you were in made it much more easier.
You were tense, we were thinking about, you know, moving
your daughter in and all the things that were involved
in that. And I was just kind of whistling Dixie
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as we were going a lot, not really worried about anything.
So there's a lot of factors that go into having
an accident occur. And you know, that's one of the
things that we find on people. I have people who
come in as a family after a car accident, and
there's four people involved in the accident, and two are
injured and two aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know, when people come in to see us after
a car accident, you know a lot of times they'll
go to the hospital sure and an X ray is
not even done. Is that because they're looking for a fracture?
There is right where they're giving something for the inflammation
or pain or a muscle relax and then scent out
the door.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
One of the things that you know, I've had people
who came in and had been in an accident, and
when I was talking to the person who fifteen years
ago had been in an accident with obvious trauma to
the neck, said, well, I went to the hospital right
afterwards and they said I was fine. Well, what they
mean by fine is that, you know, we're not going
to have to perform surgery on you, right, you know
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they're right. You know they're not talking about that you're
free from injury. Right. That's an emergency room situation, and
their goal is to make sure that you're not going
to die and somebody sue them and then send you
on your way. So you know, it is important oftentimes
to go to the emergency room. But just because they
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say that you're okay, they're talking about something that needs
to be dealt with then, and that's all they're looking for.
But you still need to go to a qualified individual.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You have checked up, let's talk about that. Who should
they go to and what are you looking at? Differently?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, then the other thing I get is, well, then
I followed up with my general practitioner. The general practitioners
are good for, you know, writing scripts for antibiotics things
like that, but they're not really trained to deal with
muscle skeletal injuries. That is not something that they are
really qualified or interested in actually dealing with. That's one
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of the areas that they're not really trained in. So
you need to go to someone who specializes in those
types of soft tissue art tissue types of injuries, muscles
skeletal types of injuries, and then get someone qualified to
actually look at that in that situation and see really
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So, for example, you go to an emergency room, they're
looking for fracture, Yes, what are you looking at? Are
you looking at misalignments? What is it that?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, yes, what we're looking for is skeletal changes. Oftentimes,
I mean, one of the things that's most common along
those lines is a whiplash injury where there's changes in
the curves, especially the cervical vertebrae. There can be changes
in the alignment. There can be tears in the tendons
and ligaments that can show up in abnormal motion. There
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can be soft tissue injuries, there can be neurological injuries,
there can be concussions. You know, there's a lot of
different types of areas along there that can actually be
showing up.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Talk about what did you find on my X ray
from that car accident.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Certainly there was actually some changes in what we would
call stair stepping vertebrae, where there was a straightening of
the cervical curve where you had had a normal one before.
And then there were gaps in the cervical vertebrae that
had not been before, which showed some stretching of some ligaments.
So as we were looking at that, there was some
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definite obvious changes in your skull, you.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Were concerned about arthritis.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That would start to develop later.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Does that happen a lot after an auto accent?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Oh? Very common.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's why I can usually tell when the car accident
occurred was because of the degenerative changes that have actually occurred.
You know, what we would consider arthritis, and I can
tell how old that arthritis is by looking at the
X rays, so I can tell exactly when the accident occurred. Interesting,
you also showed up some neurological signs too, some weakness
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in the arms, probably even a little cognitive changes.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, and that's interesting. We just think of it as
a fender bender or and yet it can cause so
many problems.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
There can be a tremendous amount of problems.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's what's kind of makes me upset is insurances
are deciding how much they're going to pay out on
different accident cases by how fast the car was going,
and whiplash can happen.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oftentimes, if it's a faster accident, the car absorbs the energy,
but if it's slower, up to the point before the
car would buckle, you get the force into your body
instead of the car absorbitent. So oftentimes a lighter accident
fewer miles can result in greater injuries because you're absorbentent
(08:42):
instead of the car.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
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Speaker 1 (10:03):
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Speaker 4 (10:05):
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Speaker 3 (10:14):
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Voice of Health Radio listeners. You're listening to the Voice
of Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, the
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most comprehensive wellness center in the Midwest. We're talking this
week about car accidents, the most common injury, and doctor
Prayther in car accidents kind to kind of repeat myself,
but what is the most common what's the most common injury?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's actually the whiplash, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And kind of define what is whiplash?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, it was first coined by an osteopath. Okay, it
was when cars first came out before that the Model
T back then, way back in the Model T.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And they hit a cow or something.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, they were having accidents back then too. A matter
of fact, a very interesting story in Kansas. There were
only two cars registered in Kansas and guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
They hit each other.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They hit each other.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That is funny.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So all of a sudden, the osteopath was starting to
see on some X rays some different types of changes.
Basically a reversal of the cervical curve. Your curve supposed
to go in a forward lord dotic pattern and there's
a normal type of a curve that happens on that.
All of a sudden, they were starting to see a
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reversal of the curve. They had never seen it before.
Cars came around.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What the reversal on.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The reversal of the cervical curve, and that was from
people getting hit having their head back and forth.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And he was watching someone with a whip getting their
course to go, and he says, I've got it. It's
a whiplash.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hmm. How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Because well, visual as he brought the whip back, it
went back into a reversal type of a curve. And
so he came up with a term a whiplash injury.
And oftentimes a whiplash injury will show up with a
reversal of the cervical curve and most oftentimes that comes
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about from the car accident.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Interesting, yeah, because we have a natural.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Curve, have a natural curve that we should get.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A lot of people don't know that too, you know,
and you show him the X ray. This is you
should have a natural curve in your neck, and a
lot of times because of whiplash, right, that curve flattens.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, it flattens or even reverses. And the more that changes,
the more damage that usually occurs with the nervous system.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Quicker arthritis starts to develop less range of motion into
why is that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's an abnormal type of a positioning. The neck was
not supposed to be in that position, and it increases
the amount of pressure on the vertebrate than the abnormal
motion the emotion that can't move normally. You aren't designed
to be like that. There's increased pressure on the nerves
that starts to occur. You don't have as much of
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a room in there for the nervous system. There's pressure
on the spinal cord that wasn't there before. So there's
a lot of neurological changes that start to occur. There's
even some cognitive abilities that start to change.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That occurs.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So it can be much more involved in much more
of a problem than what people realize.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Wow, and we've had cases people coming in after a
car accident having seizures that they never had before.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Absolutely migrains absolutely, and we've had people who were pretty
much totally disabled and not really aware of what that
you know, either immediately or even later. It results in
a lot of neck surgeries. You know, there's a tremendous
amount of problems that occur as you go through so
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car accidents aren't anything to take lightly. And again, most
of the injuries occur in the neck, which is understandable.
Rest of the spine is much larger.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's usually.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
People in cars wearing helmets.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, I mean that's good for if you hit your head,
but it doesn't still change the motion of the neck.
So going into a neck brace before you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well then we couldn't head, but.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You can still swivel.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you can see where that could occur because the
head weighs about as much as a bowling ball. And
then your smaller neck, the skulltal structure in the circle
spine and the neck is very small and there's not
a lot of musculature around there to hold that in place.
Especially with seat belts. You know, you are strapped in
where your body, but then your head you get hit
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with a car, you stay, your body stays there and
your head just whips back and forth whiplash.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's very interesting. You know, I hear the term military neck.
Is that the same as a reversal.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The military neck is you know you hear the military
guys being ramrod straight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, so a military.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Neck is when you've lost the curve, but it hasn't
gone into reversal. It's just gone straight up and down.
When you have the reversal of the curve, then it's
actually gone into a chipotic situation where that can whiplash.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Cause the military neck.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Absolutely, absolutely, that's a step below the reversal.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay, are there long term consequences to whiplash injuries?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Absolutely, Increased arthritis, more chances that you will have neurological
conditions that can occur, increase weakness, so that even when
you have that injury prior sometimes I mean people have.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Multiple car accidents.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, So if you have a reversal of your cervical
curve and then you get into another car accident, it's
not just that you have the impact of that one
car accident, but you have less stability in the neck,
so the injuries actually even greater. So I've seen three
or four injuries that I can recognize in X rays.
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Each one had caused increased amount of neurological and arthritic.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Type of conditions.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So if you already have been in a car accident,
the second car accident will wind up with more problems
than what you had even on the first one. So
it's a cascading, multiplying type of effect.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, and you had talked a little bit about some
people are more prone to whiplash. You know, women, we
have a day to your neck, a big, big neck,
right right, So are some people more prone in that case?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
There are definite people one who have had prior injuries.
And then also if you don't have the musculature to
hold up your head strong neck, we'll go through a
crash much much easier because you got the supporting structure.
Matter of fact, that's one of the things that we
do for people afterwards is try to rebuild some of
the musculature in through the circle spine.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So those big football players and the yeah, they line
they have those big necks. That's that's good.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That can be good definitely through a car accident.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And what about if someone gets hit from the side, Sure,
is there a side whiplash or where.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
There can actually be a side whiplash oftentimes I can
look at the X rays and tell the direction that
they were hit from, because there is a side translation
as well as just from a rear.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Translation that that vertebrae can shift.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
There's a yes, side yes, And if you're in a
head on collision or a side collision or a rear collision,
each one of those have a different pattern in through
the cervical spine. As I'm looking at that, so you
can see those. And not only do we do a
stationary type of an X ray, but we also do
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in different positions. So we'll have people flex their neck
or extend their neck, and there are oftentimes as you're
doing that, you can see the vertebrate translating so well,
what it means is that it's slipping back and forth.
And I show that to people, and you know, as
they're holding up their neck in a straight pattern, you know,
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I said, see how that's pretty good. Now when you
bend your head forward and backwards, can you see how
that vertebrae is sliding back and forth? And they go,
oh yeah, And I say, now when you do that,
how do you feel? I said, well, I hurt, and
I feel even a little dizzy, or I can get
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a headache or I can get nauseated. I say, well,
you can understand why that's occurring, right, How quickly can
we fix that?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, it's amazing. You know X rays aren't done to
the extent you know we go to MRIs so quickly
and things. Sure, there's so much If you have the
training like you do that you can see an X
rays and show people.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, you know what's going on, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, very interesting. Well, when we come back, let's talk
about the treatments for whiplash injury and car accident injury.
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I want to feel it no way, just what I hear.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'm Lisa Prather and you're listening to the Voice of
Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we
get to the root cause of your health issue. We're
talking this week about car accidents, the most common injury
which is whiplash injuries. Very interesting how that came about.
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So what treatment should be sought out for whiplash injuries.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, for a whiplash injury, one of the first things
that will occur is a change in the structure of
the cervical spine. So you have to get the cervical
spine back into its normal position. And the people who
are best at that, who really do that on a
regular basis, are chiropractors. Chiropractors are involved in bringing the
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neck back into homeostasis. Homeostasis means it's imbalance, so that
there's the frontal, sagital, and horizontal plane.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I remember that in an anatomy class.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Which are the three basic directions. There is a normal
that should be achieved on that and chiropractors are the
best ones to proceed with that, get that lined up,
and that is a very very basic type of thing
that needs to be done.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I know too, when a patient comes in that has
a muscle skeletal issue, sure, and before it's usually the
same day as the X ray or the next time,
we do something called a j tech test or it's
a computerized range of motion muscle strength test, so we
know before the adjustment, because there's going to be improvement immediately,
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we've learned we need to do that before. So we
get a nice baseline of their range of motion and
it shows the norms, what's normal and where they fall.
It's very helpful. And then we do that again when
we re evaluate, usually the tenth visit, and the changes
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we see is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Interestingly enough, chiropract again, osteopathy I should include that. You
thinking that, yeah, yeah, are people who align that and
it is now according to the major accrediting for healthcare
hospitals also for the Pain Management Group, the national organization
that's involved with that has actually stated that the first
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line of treatment in this situation should be chiropractic and
osteopathic adjustments. You know, you absolutely have to get the
alignment where it needs to be for proper healing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right, Yeah, because you treat these older people that didn't
get treatment from different trauma, right, and they can hardly
move their.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Next certainly, and that ages you. Yes, it gets you
older much much quicker. That's one of the things that
is very important. And the positioning of your head. If
your head is off position, it throws off your kinescetic sense,
and kinesthetic sense is one of the major evaluations of
someone's age. That's one of the major problems that people
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have with falling later on in life is because their
alignment isn't correct and so their kinescetic sense.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Is And we see that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So this is now the standard of care, not just
acknowledged by chiropractors and osteopaths, but by every healthcare professional
and by the major accrediting institute for America. So getting
that alignment is a very very basic type of way
to do that, and there are different ways of doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, let's talk about procedures that are done here at
our office for whiplash. I know you are board certified
in the Atlas Orthogonal Adjustment.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
The Atlas Orthogonal program has been acknowledged as the most complete,
most effective means of bringing the neck back into alignment.
It's a very mathematical type of procedure. We use an
instrument to accomplish that. It has been acknowledged by almost
all the other techniques. There's about forty acknowledged techniques within
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the Chiropractical Association. The Atlas orthogonal has been recognized by
the other techniques for those people who have special needs
within the cervical spine as the best technique out there.
So if someone is having difficulties, they're going to a
Gonstead sot activator practitioner, all those different techniques and they
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have problems with a neck, they do refer to an
Atlas orthogonist. I was amazed at when I first discovered it.
It's not the only technique that we use within our office,
but it is acknowledged as the best one for the
cervical spine. We are the only board certified Atlas orthogonist
in the state of Indiana. It is not something that
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we have to do very often on patients, but when
it is necessary, it is the only thing that will
really get people back straightened out.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So how does that differ from other chiropractic procedures.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It is based on mathematics. We get the adjustment down
to within a milimeter to put it back in exactly
where it should be. So it's a very precise, measured,
direct type of a adjustment that usually brings someone back
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into alignments with one adjustment.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I know, we get people from out of state come,
you know for that specific atlas orthogonal adjustment. We have
mds referring for that. There's one that works with cancer
patients in New York City that will send his cancer
patients cancer adjustment.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's a very.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Important thing because it deals with the whole nervous systems,
so it has a wide ranging effect. Like I said before,
we do quite a few other different types of techniques
within here, you know, and there are other systems of
adjusting that we use and we appreciate and actually utilize
a lot more than the antlyas thethogology, just because you
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only usually have to do the atmos orthogonal adjustment once.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's not being done multiple times.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's not being done multiple times. It's a very specific
type of technique, something that was life saving for me
personally and something that we offer here. But chiropractic that said.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Is not the only thing that needs to be done
in these situations.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Right, how does acupuncture help?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Acupuncture is again one of the now acknowledged means of
taking down inflammation and pain. So, you know, we have
people in a lot of pain, a lot of inflammation.
We need to get the alignment, but we also need
to get those down and that's where the acupuncture comes in.
As we can get the inflammation down, as we can
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reduce the pain, then we can get a lot more healing.
And it's now recommended that people are doing acupuncture instead
of taking anti inflammatories, pain relievers, muscle relaxers first to
see if that would work, especially with the pain medication,
because too many people are becoming addicted. There's too much
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of a problem that's associated with A and acupuncture is actually.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
More effective about decompression.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Decompression is an amazing type of technique that we also
do here, and what it does is it pumps the joints.
Oftentimes the joints are injured starting to develop some arthritis,
and as we can do the decompression, we can get
some healing well.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Up next, doctor Praither, we're going to hear Spencer's story.
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to the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Crater of
Holistic Integration, where our mission is restoring hope to our patients.
We're joined by Spencer to share his story. Spencer, what
first brought you to Holistic Integration?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
In twenty twenty one, I had a traumatic injury to
the cervical spine and I ended up walking away from
that injury with three torn muscles in my skull and
neck area, over a dozen torn ligaments, some nerve injuries
in that area, and so I needless to say, I
was in pretty rough shape when I showed up here
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my first day. I remember Doc kind of looked at
me like we got some work to do with this guy.
But I had already had a decent idea of what
I had needed, and it was actually through a personal
referral that I had found this office. One of my
diagnoses was upper cervical or craniocervical instability, and so what
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really brought me to Holistic Integration was doctor Praither had
experienced hands on experience of not just treating those patients,
but seeing those patients get better. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
When you came in, you were one hurting guy, you know.
And one of the things I wanted to do is
because I understood where you were coming from, and I
understood a lot of the fears because you had gone
through so much. And so what I wanted to do
is kind of reassure you that I knew what I
was doing and that we could help you, which I
absolutely knew we could.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Yeah, most definitely. And you know, I'll say this, Doc,
you were of all the different practitioners and physicians and
everyone else that I had seen, you were the one
person that spoke with a certain confidence saying, I've seen
this before. I actually know what it is that you're experiencing,
and I can't guarantee you one hundred percent, but I
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can help and we can help you heal. We can
help you heal in multiple ways. And that was one
of the things that I think really kickstarted my healing
and recovery process.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Sure, I could kind of feel you just kind of
relaxa which was important to see because you need to
have the patient on board, have the trust that we're
going to see you through. Because when you're talking about healing,
there's all this up and down type of stuff. It's
never a straight lining type of healing. But if we
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can establish the trust that we are going to take
that person to a much better health condition, then they
have the continence to stay with you, go through the
process and actually get better.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Absolutely so, Spencer, what kind of treatment were you're receiving
prior to coming to holistic integration.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I had done multiple things. I think some of them
quite helpful, some of them probably a deterrent towards getting better.
So the first actual procedure that I had done was
called a bilateral styloid actomy procedure and had calcifications of
ligaments that run basically from the base of the skull
to the hyoid bone and then also connect and to
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the jaw area. Well, I had those surgically removed because
they were calcified and they were pressing into nerves and
different vascular bodies. And so while that was helpful with
my atlas out of alignment and with those soft tissue
injuries with the muscles and tendons and ligaments in the area,
that had actually added to and compounded the instability part
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of the equation. So that was one thing that I
had done that throughout my recovery process that if I
could have done it differently, it probably would have been
that to maybe push that procedure and try some of
the other things that I think ended up really working.
The two other things that I had done prior to
coming to holistic integration were the stem cell procedures that
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I was receiving, and those were at a facility out
in Denver, Colorado. Those I think were actually quite helpful.
And then I had also had PRP or platelet rich
plasma injections into some of the other areas, and then
also some nerve hydrodissection treatments, and so getting things treated
from that lens was extremely helpful. The one thing that
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no one else could get right until I came to
doctor Praither was my atlass was not able to hold
an adjustment for more than forty eight to seventy two hours.
And the interesting thing is it wasn't just the atlas
that was out. And one of the things where I
think Doc and I hit it off immediately was, yes,
your atlas is out, but there's other things impacting why
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your atlas is not holding. It's maybe something with the
jaw or something with this phenoid or something with actually
the pelvis, or something to do with your posture. There's
different layers to the reasons why these adjustments hold or not.
There's also functional things that I had that were going wrong.
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You know, I had cebo ce fo leaky gut, different toxicities,
different mineral deficiencies, all of these things I was able
to get treated here, and once one thing came back online,
it was like a cascade of instead of failures, it
felt like different parts of my body were actually starting
to come back online and work again. And so as
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I started to go through that healing process, man, that
was the ultimate game changer.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
The whole thing is, you know, as you're getting this
all stabilized, you've got to get it in place. You've
got to get it to hold so that healing can
actually take place. If you're constantly moving that area up
in there, that's very traumatic to the nervous system. So
having to adjust it on a regular basis on that
just throws it off. So our goal working with chiropractic
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is to get that into place where it released the
pressure off of the nervous system. The central nervous system
the veins, the arteries, the lymphatic systems starting to work.
As we can get that into place, you got to
hold it there. Otherwise you know you're never going to
see the healing take place. So if we can't get
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that to hold, we're not doing our job. As a
matter of fact, the more you play with the whole thing,
the crazier the nervous system gets because.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It doesn't like that.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
And I experienced that when it came to symptoms firsthand.
I would initially, if I would get an Atlas adjustment,
I would kind of have a calming of the nervous system,
But then if something else was out of alignment, and
or there were obviously other issues internal that were causing
it to come back out of alignment, well then it
was like this yo yo of symptoms that I would
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have a good day and then three bad days or
two good days and five bad days, and I felt
myself kind of getting worse and worse and worse, as
that can until we were able to get it into
correct place, but also take care of the other things
from whether it's the functional medicine side or whether it's
from taking care of the other structures that also play
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a role in making sure that that's going to hold
its alignment. And so it was really again the combination
of all of the above, and due to your experience
of being able to actually help people to get not
just the outlass right, but then also know what else
to look for. I remember the first time I had
my outlass properly adjusted, my jaw was out. I had
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other stuff going on in my skull and my shoulders
and my hips and pelvis. It was all wrong. You know,
it was like everything was out of whack. The entire
shape of my face even changed within the first twenty
four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And just how.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Different my whole face looked because I was finally getting
blood flow or the lymphatic system to drain properly and
the nervous system to calm down. You could really see
it in my eyes. It was like seeing color for
the first time in a way. But yeah, I was
a really cool experience, and you know, to experience that
in the first few days after having arrived here gave
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me a tremendous amount of confidence, like, holy smoke, I
can actually heal from this thing. I can actually come
back and start living life again. Because I was in
a period of life where I had spent over a
year either in beat or on the couch twenty twenty
two to twenty three hours a day. And before that
I was high performing at my job. I was a
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I would argue you kind of washed it up weekend
warrior athlete, but I was very active basketball and golf
and weightlifting and running and all these different things. To
go from one to the other, the mental side of
things definitely played a role to get that initial kind
of shot of confidence that all right, we're onto something here,
especially considering the fact that I was already doing some
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of those other modalities, the stem cells to help the
healing and the nerve treatments. Once we got the structure
part right, oh my gosh, that was an absolute game changer.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You know, one thing that occurs when the outlas is
way out, the whole rest of the body shifts to
accommodate that because it's trying to take pressure off of
that outlys, because that is the key to your life
is that area. As a matter of fact, if you're starving,
it will actually dissolve the rest of the body to
feed that area. So it's the most critical area. So
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everything shifts to try to help that out, and so
when you put it back into place, everything starts to shift.
So people have to have confidence that, yes, the outlas
is in, we need to get the job, we need
to get the skull, we need to get the rib cage,
because those things can start to shift in it feels uncomfortable.
So having that confidence from the patient probably I would
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say that I've never met anybody that I couldn't get stabilized,
you know, in all my years of doing it. But
they have to give me the time and come back
and let me get the job back in the place,
the skull back into place, the rib cage back in
the place. They hit elves back in the place because
all that shifted, and so they're like, it felt great,
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you know, for about twenty four to forty eight hours,
and then all this stuff started happening, and but you're
not just your atlas. So then we started to really
work on your skull because that had all shifted with it,
and trying to get that all under control was the
things that we did. Then everything started flowing. And kudos
to you because you put your faith and trust in
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the system and then rested in that and let us.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
Work Yeah, it was not a silver bullet kind of cure.
It's more of a just ongoing that once we get
the things right, then the body can actually begin to heal.
You know. It wasn't until I was probably eight to
twelve weeks into that process where yes, I had the
initial you know, physical change that you could see in
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the first few days, but I really started the feel it.
You know, it was after the end of the second
or third month, where my nervous system had calmed and
my body was starting to function again. I was able
to get my circadium rhytham back, I was able to start,
you know, digesting food properly again, and just all these
other things that you know, you take for granted, and
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especially when it comes to the upper cervical neck. I
think it's just natural to overlook some of those things.
But those were areas that you didn't overlook, and you know,
obviously very grateful for that at this point.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So how was holistic integration different from some of the
other things you were trying.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
On the chiropractic side. It was looking at the entire
skeletal rain or the entire structure as a whole. That's
something that I really gravitated towards because there would be
times when you know, I didn't necessarily feel like my
atlas was back out or that I had lost that alignment,
but I knew I didn't feel right, and going to
some other practitioners to be like, well, you're fine, but
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I wasn't. And I knew that internally being able to
a partner with someone who actually understood that, Okay, it's
going to take more than just this one silver bullet care.
This is going to be a whole body process. This
is going to be the structure function side of the care.
This is going to be the internal and functional side.
And so to be able to have all of those
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modalities under one roof, I feel like it's a huge
differentiating factor between this practice and a lot of other practices.
And so if there's one thing, it would be that
this office doesn't just do chiropractice. This office doesn't just
do acupuncture meridian therapy. This office doesn't just do functional
medicine or balance rey training or the physiotherapy or the
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other ways to help the body detoxify. It's all in
one place. And it is through that process that I
was able to nail the structure side of things. And
then once the nervous system started to heal, and once
these other systems started to do what they're supposed to do, now,
all of a sudden, we have real healing at hand
that is going to be sustained over a period of time.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, the atlas is pretty involved. It does so much,
but you can't let that just overshadow everything else. That's
really such a key matter of fact. If there's one
thing I can do for someone's health is to put
the outlas back in place. Has the biggest effect on
someone's overall health, but it's not the only thing.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Spencer. Can you speak to your results in how you're
doing today.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
That's the best part of the equation. So when I
came here for the first time, it was in August
of twenty twenty three, and I've had to get my
atlas adjusted here a grand total of once. And I
went from needing it adjusted, if not weekly, multiple times
a week to one and done. And I think that
speaks volumes as to know what we've been able to
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accomplish from a structural standpoint. But I think it's not
just getting that one vertebra back into place, right, it's
all of the other things that surround that. And so
I've seen my mental acuity improve, I've seen my professional
world improve. I went from being on multi year medical
leaves to being off and running a company and being
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able to step back into the world of professional equities
trading and investing, which you have to have mental acuity
to do. And so going from basically almost bedridden to
being able to operate in a high stress, fast paced
environment mentally, that's been tremendous. And then being able to,
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you know, get ten thousand steps a day and walk
four five miles a day, be more active, that's been amazing.
And once I started to see the mental side of
things come back online, then all of a sudden, my
ability to handle stress gets better. Then all of a sudden,
my sleep improves, And it's just been this kind of
domino effect to where I was in rough, rough shape,
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and now I'm back to a place to where I've
recently started physical therapy and neuromuscular therapy. I'm hoping to
as we move into twenty twenty six, begin strength training again.
And I've really actually seen lasting impact due to the care.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, you know, when you're talking about the lower brainstem
right in through there, and when that atlas is out
of place, there's actually a shift in the shape of
that brainstem, which controls everything in the entire body. And
matter of fact, you can actually see indentions if you
were doing an MRI of the brainstem, if you were
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actually looking at it, where that miss a line it is.
And it takes the pressure to be off of there
for ninety days for it to start to heal. So
if you can't get it to hold for three months,
you're never really going to make congress. So you've got
to get that thing stabilized, keep it there so that
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it has the opportunity to heal, because that's that's your
life voice. I will not accept that I can't get
someone's atlas in to hold for three months, because if
I can't, I can't get a yield.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
And really that speaks to the timeframe to when I
really started to feel a bigger shift, because it was
around that, you know, once I got into weeks eight, nine,
ten twelve, that's when I really started to feel a
lot of improvement beyond just the things that I could
physically see the first few days. And so fortunately I
was willing to, you know, just adhere to the process
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and trust that you know, someone with the expertise could
guide me in the right direction. And here we are
a couple of years later, and the results speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
So, Spencer, what would you say to someone dealing with
similar injuries?
Speaker 6 (49:42):
In my experience, there's been three things that have helped
me the most. The two things that were not at
this office were these stem cell treatments and the PRP
of nerve hydro dissections. I do think those played a
pretty significant role in my recovery, But it wasn't until
I layered on the things here where I really saw
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lasting change. You know, I would feel better for a
couple of days doing other things, and I do think,
you know, all of the healing and the growth factors
from those other treatments were great. But it was getting
things aligned, taking care of the internal stuff. It was
doing all of the lab work, and it was some
of the most comprehensive lab work I'd ever had done.
All the different biomarkers, all the different vitamins and minerals
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and toxicities and all the stuff I had going on.
I knew I didn't feel right. I didn't know how
bad those labs were going to look and you know,
going to a traditional primary care type environment, maybe they'll
look at a few things. But the amount of things
that we looked at from a lab standpoint was just
so far beyond and above anything that I'd ever previously
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had done.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
An interesting thing is that everything interplace. You know, we
always say structure effects function, function effects. Structure the key
to our changes as far as functionally, you know, physiologically,
one of the biggest saying is the atlas, because quite frankly,
you're never going to balance out anything unless you get
that atless set. Nothing physiologically, nothing throughout the body will
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actually work properly until you get that set.
Speaker 6 (51:14):
Anyone who's been through trauma to the upper cervical spine
area can relate that it's stressful. It's fearful because you know,
there's dozens of symptoms that can come with that, and
so at my worst, I had pots symptoms, I had vertigo,
I had you know, extreme crippling anxiety that before my
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injury to that area I'd never experienced before. I didn't
even know how that really felt. Going through all of that,
it's an extremely stressful thing to go through, not just
because of the trauma to the area, and not just
because of how critical that upper cervical area is because
of the brain stem and everything that has to be
functioning properly for you to feel and function your best,
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but it was also just seeing that big shift in
all of those neurological symptoms that came with it. You know,
I was also experiencing thoracic outlets, syndrome symptoms. You know,
I had weakness in my hands, I had issues with
carpal and cubital tunnel. I had all of these other
things going on, and a lot of that all came
back to the next and so it was through the
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combination of the modalities that I chose to run with
that really made that big difference. And so in speaking
to other people that are going through cervical instability or
going through injury and trauma to those areas, this is
a formula that worked well for me. It's really been
the shift of a lifetime to go from where I
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was with the performance that I had pre injury to
the low of the lows, you know, the most difficult mental,
physical place that I've been in life as a whole,
to now on the other side of that. Call it hope,
call it faith, call it whatever you want to. There
are modalities that can actually help come back from these issues.
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And so I'm grateful for having, you know, taken the
trip to be here, the level of conviction that I had.
I lived in Ohio. You know, I've got my Ohio
hat on, but I sold my home in Ohio to
move to be closer to here in Indianapolis strictly because
of this office. And so you know, I know that's extreme,
and not everyone has the ability to do that, but
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it was because I knew that all of those trips
were difficult on my neck, they were difficult on my spine.
You know, anyone who's ever driven I seventy west between
Ohio and Indiana pothhole city.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
And so, you know, there were a lot of.
Speaker 6 (53:42):
Reasons why I wanted to come here, but this office
and the care that I was receiving, the warmth of
the staff, your experience, and your expertise, Doctor Prayther, I
was willing to move my entire life to continue this process.
And again here I am a couple of years into it.
You know, I have life changing The book.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Holistic Integration is located at eighty nine oh two North
Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis, just south
of the I four sixty five loop. If we can
help you to achieve better health, we'd love to hear
from you. Connect with our office at three one seven
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week or any time on our website at the Voice
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with doctor Robert Prather
Hi, I'm Lisa Prather and welcome to the Voice of
Health with our host, doctor Robert Braither of Holistic Integration,
where lives are changed every day through the natural approach
to healthcare. Today, we're going to talk about car accidents,
the most common injury.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Very common reason for people to come into us in
the office, and something that you know people need to
be aware of. You don't really think about getting into
a car accident until it happens, right, and then it's
kind of a shock to your system. So everything's handled
better if you prethink something. Every ten seconds somebody gets
(00:52):
into a car accident, and you know, you think about
how much time we're in a car, and it's not surprising.
So you know, when you're talking about your answers of
getting in one, it's pretty high, right, you know, a
very common cause of deaths. It's something that has been
improved on, you know, with the advent of seat belts,
the airbags, the cars are getting much much safer.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But it is the drivers getting safer.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, well, you know one of the things is it
actually is getting safer. Part of the reasons are the
awareness of drunk driving or impaired driving. The idea of
keeping people from texting while they're driving. That's not a
real good idea. It's also one of the biggest things
that has improved that is increasing the age of drivers.
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The younger you are, the more likely you are to
be involved in a fatal car crash. It's just a
matter of teenagers don't really think that well at times.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Have you ever noticed that?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Uh huh, yes, I.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Injuries always show up immediately. I know we had an accident.
We were at a stop light down in Bloomington, moving
our daughter into IU her freshman year. I had my
head down reading you were driving. Boom, someone just hit us.
I don't know how fast they were going. Would we
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think they were going.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Ten twenty miles from now? Probably? I mean, you know
it wasn't really that fast.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right, But that caused a lot of damage in my
neck that you wouldn't think. People call that a fender
bender or that person wasn't being aware. They really shouldn't
have had their license. No, they were from another country.
I don't think they ever drove in and then they
come here and we give them a license.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right right, they should I don't know. Yeah, how they
actually passed a driver's test and the.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, I was a little ticked off. You know, she
wasn't paying attention at all to our brake lights. So
but you took an X ray and there were.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There was definitely damage that had occurred. And interestingly enough,
I went through it without a problem.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Why is that? Well, was it that the head position
I was in, I wasn't relaxed?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It was, Yes, all those different types of things. Well,
of course, one, I've got a bigger neck, I've got
a lot more I've got a lot more musculature there.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, when you've.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Got a smaller, thinner, more beautiful neck to line, thank you,
then you know your chances of getting injured or much higher. Also,
the position that you were in made it much more easier.
You were tense, we were thinking about, you know, moving
your daughter in and all the things that were involved
in that. And I was just kind of whistling Dixie
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as we were going a lot, not really worried about anything.
So there's a lot of factors that go into having
an accident occur. And you know, that's one of the
things that we find on people. I have people who
come in as a family after a car accident, and
there's four people involved in the accident, and two are
injured and two aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know, when people come in to see us after
a car accident, you know a lot of times they'll
go to the hospital sure and an X ray is
not even done. Is that because they're looking for a fracture?
There is right where they're giving something for the inflammation
or pain or a muscle relax and then scent out
the door.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
One of the things that you know, I've had people
who came in and had been in an accident, and
when I was talking to the person who fifteen years
ago had been in an accident with obvious trauma to
the neck, said, well, I went to the hospital right
afterwards and they said I was fine. Well, what they
mean by fine is that, you know, we're not going
to have to perform surgery on you, right, you know
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they're right. You know they're not talking about that you're
free from injury. Right. That's an emergency room situation, and
their goal is to make sure that you're not going
to die and somebody sue them and then send you
on your way. So you know, it is important oftentimes
to go to the emergency room. But just because they
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say that you're okay, they're talking about something that needs
to be dealt with then, and that's all they're looking for.
But you still need to go to a qualified individual.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You have checked up, let's talk about that. Who should
they go to and what are you looking at? Differently?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, then the other thing I get is, well, then
I followed up with my general practitioner. The general practitioners
are good for, you know, writing scripts for antibiotics things
like that, but they're not really trained to deal with
muscle skeletal injuries. That is not something that they are
really qualified or interested in actually dealing with. That's one
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of the areas that they're not really trained in. So
you need to go to someone who specializes in those
types of soft tissue art tissue types of injuries, muscles
skeletal types of injuries, and then get someone qualified to
actually look at that in that situation and see really
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So, for example, you go to an emergency room, they're
looking for fracture, Yes, what are you looking at? Are
you looking at misalignments? What is it that?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, yes, what we're looking for is skeletal changes. Oftentimes,
I mean, one of the things that's most common along
those lines is a whiplash injury where there's changes in
the curves, especially the cervical vertebrae. There can be changes
in the alignment. There can be tears in the tendons
and ligaments that can show up in abnormal motion. There
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can be soft tissue injuries, there can be neurological injuries,
there can be concussions. You know, there's a lot of
different types of areas along there that can actually be
showing up.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Talk about what did you find on my X ray
from that car accident.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Certainly there was actually some changes in what we would
call stair stepping vertebrae, where there was a straightening of
the cervical curve where you had had a normal one before.
And then there were gaps in the cervical vertebrae that
had not been before, which showed some stretching of some ligaments.
So as we were looking at that, there was some
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definite obvious changes in your skull, you.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Were concerned about arthritis.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That would start to develop later.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Does that happen a lot after an auto accent?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Oh? Very common.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's why I can usually tell when the car accident
occurred was because of the degenerative changes that have actually occurred.
You know, what we would consider arthritis, and I can
tell how old that arthritis is by looking at the
X rays, so I can tell exactly when the accident occurred. Interesting,
you also showed up some neurological signs too, some weakness
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in the arms, probably even a little cognitive changes.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, and that's interesting. We just think of it as
a fender bender or and yet it can cause so
many problems.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
There can be a tremendous amount of problems.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's what's kind of makes me upset is insurances
are deciding how much they're going to pay out on
different accident cases by how fast the car was going,
and whiplash can happen.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oftentimes, if it's a faster accident, the car absorbs the energy,
but if it's slower, up to the point before the
car would buckle, you get the force into your body
instead of the car absorbitent. So oftentimes a lighter accident
fewer miles can result in greater injuries because you're absorbentent
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instead of the car.
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most comprehensive wellness center in the Midwest. We're talking this
week about car accidents, the most common injury, and doctor
Prayther in car accidents kind to kind of repeat myself,
but what is the most common what's the most common injury?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's actually the whiplash, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And kind of define what is whiplash?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, it was first coined by an osteopath. Okay, it
was when cars first came out before that the Model
T back then, way back in the Model T.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And they hit a cow or something.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, they were having accidents back then too. A matter
of fact, a very interesting story in Kansas. There were
only two cars registered in Kansas and guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
They hit each other.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They hit each other.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That is funny.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So all of a sudden, the osteopath was starting to
see on some X rays some different types of changes.
Basically a reversal of the cervical curve. Your curve supposed
to go in a forward lord dotic pattern and there's
a normal type of a curve that happens on that.
All of a sudden, they were starting to see a
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reversal of the curve. They had never seen it before.
Cars came around.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What the reversal on.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The reversal of the cervical curve, and that was from
people getting hit having their head back and forth.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And he was watching someone with a whip getting their
course to go, and he says, I've got it. It's
a whiplash.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hmm. How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Because well, visual as he brought the whip back, it
went back into a reversal type of a curve. And
so he came up with a term a whiplash injury.
And oftentimes a whiplash injury will show up with a
reversal of the cervical curve and most oftentimes that comes
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about from the car accident.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Interesting, yeah, because we have a natural.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Curve, have a natural curve that we should get.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A lot of people don't know that too, you know,
and you show him the X ray. This is you
should have a natural curve in your neck, and a
lot of times because of whiplash, right, that curve flattens.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, it flattens or even reverses. And the more that changes,
the more damage that usually occurs with the nervous system.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Quicker arthritis starts to develop less range of motion into
why is that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's an abnormal type of a positioning. The neck was
not supposed to be in that position, and it increases
the amount of pressure on the vertebrate than the abnormal
motion the emotion that can't move normally. You aren't designed
to be like that. There's increased pressure on the nerves
that starts to occur. You don't have as much of
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a room in there for the nervous system. There's pressure
on the spinal cord that wasn't there before. So there's
a lot of neurological changes that start to occur. There's
even some cognitive abilities that start to change.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That occurs.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So it can be much more involved in much more
of a problem than what people realize.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Wow, and we've had cases people coming in after a
car accident having seizures that they never had before.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Absolutely migrains absolutely, and we've had people who were pretty
much totally disabled and not really aware of what that
you know, either immediately or even later. It results in
a lot of neck surgeries. You know, there's a tremendous
amount of problems that occur as you go through so
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car accidents aren't anything to take lightly. And again, most
of the injuries occur in the neck, which is understandable.
Rest of the spine is much larger.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's usually.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
People in cars wearing helmets.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, I mean that's good for if you hit your head,
but it doesn't still change the motion of the neck.
So going into a neck brace before you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well then we couldn't head, but.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You can still swivel.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you can see where that could occur because the
head weighs about as much as a bowling ball. And
then your smaller neck, the skulltal structure in the circle
spine and the neck is very small and there's not
a lot of musculature around there to hold that in place.
Especially with seat belts. You know, you are strapped in
where your body, but then your head you get hit
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with a car, you stay, your body stays there and
your head just whips back and forth whiplash.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's very interesting. You know, I hear the term military neck.
Is that the same as a reversal.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The military neck is you know you hear the military
guys being ramrod straight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, so a military.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Neck is when you've lost the curve, but it hasn't
gone into reversal. It's just gone straight up and down.
When you have the reversal of the curve, then it's
actually gone into a chipotic situation where that can whiplash.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Cause the military neck.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Absolutely, absolutely, that's a step below the reversal.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay, are there long term consequences to whiplash injuries?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Absolutely, Increased arthritis, more chances that you will have neurological
conditions that can occur, increase weakness, so that even when
you have that injury prior sometimes I mean people have.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Multiple car accidents.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, So if you have a reversal of your cervical
curve and then you get into another car accident, it's
not just that you have the impact of that one
car accident, but you have less stability in the neck,
so the injuries actually even greater. So I've seen three
or four injuries that I can recognize in X rays.
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Each one had caused increased amount of neurological and arthritic.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Type of conditions.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So if you already have been in a car accident,
the second car accident will wind up with more problems
than what you had even on the first one. So
it's a cascading, multiplying type of effect.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, and you had talked a little bit about some
people are more prone to whiplash. You know, women, we
have a day to your neck, a big, big neck,
right right, So are some people more prone in that case?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
There are definite people one who have had prior injuries.
And then also if you don't have the musculature to
hold up your head strong neck, we'll go through a
crash much much easier because you got the supporting structure.
Matter of fact, that's one of the things that we
do for people afterwards is try to rebuild some of
the musculature in through the circle spine.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So those big football players and the yeah, they line
they have those big necks. That's that's good.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That can be good definitely through a car accident.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And what about if someone gets hit from the side, Sure,
is there a side whiplash or where.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
There can actually be a side whiplash oftentimes I can
look at the X rays and tell the direction that
they were hit from, because there is a side translation
as well as just from a rear.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Translation that that vertebrae can shift.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
There's a yes, side yes, And if you're in a
head on collision or a side collision or a rear collision,
each one of those have a different pattern in through
the cervical spine. As I'm looking at that, so you
can see those. And not only do we do a
stationary type of an X ray, but we also do
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in different positions. So we'll have people flex their neck
or extend their neck, and there are oftentimes as you're
doing that, you can see the vertebrate translating so well,
what it means is that it's slipping back and forth.
And I show that to people, and you know, as
they're holding up their neck in a straight pattern, you know,
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I said, see how that's pretty good. Now when you
bend your head forward and backwards, can you see how
that vertebrae is sliding back and forth? And they go,
oh yeah, And I say, now when you do that,
how do you feel? I said, well, I hurt, and
I feel even a little dizzy, or I can get
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a headache or I can get nauseated. I say, well,
you can understand why that's occurring, right, How quickly can
we fix that?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, it's amazing. You know X rays aren't done to
the extent you know we go to MRIs so quickly
and things. Sure, there's so much If you have the
training like you do that you can see an X
rays and show people.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, you know what's going on, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, very interesting. Well, when we come back, let's talk
about the treatments for whiplash injury and car accident injury.
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I'm Lisa Prather and you're listening to the Voice of
Health with doctor Robert Prather of Holistic Integration, where we
get to the root cause of your health issue. We're
talking this week about car accidents, the most common injury
which is whiplash injuries. Very interesting how that came about.
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So what treatment should be sought out for whiplash injuries.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, for a whiplash injury, one of the first things
that will occur is a change in the structure of
the cervical spine. So you have to get the cervical
spine back into its normal position. And the people who
are best at that, who really do that on a
regular basis, are chiropractors. Chiropractors are involved in bringing the
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neck back into homeostasis. Homeostasis means it's imbalance, so that
there's the frontal, sagital, and horizontal plane.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I remember that in an anatomy class.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Which are the three basic directions. There is a normal
that should be achieved on that and chiropractors are the
best ones to proceed with that, get that lined up,
and that is a very very basic type of thing
that needs to be done.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I know too, when a patient comes in that has
a muscle skeletal issue, sure, and before it's usually the
same day as the X ray or the next time,
we do something called a j tech test or it's
a computerized range of motion muscle strength test, so we
know before the adjustment, because there's going to be improvement immediately,
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we've learned we need to do that before. So we
get a nice baseline of their range of motion and
it shows the norms, what's normal and where they fall.
It's very helpful. And then we do that again when
we re evaluate, usually the tenth visit, and the changes
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we see is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Interestingly enough, chiropract again, osteopathy I should include that. You
thinking that, yeah, yeah, are people who align that and
it is now according to the major accrediting for healthcare
hospitals also for the Pain Management Group, the national organization
that's involved with that has actually stated that the first
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line of treatment in this situation should be chiropractic and
osteopathic adjustments. You know, you absolutely have to get the
alignment where it needs to be for proper healing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right, Yeah, because you treat these older people that didn't
get treatment from different trauma, right, and they can hardly
move their.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Next certainly, and that ages you. Yes, it gets you
older much much quicker. That's one of the things that
is very important. And the positioning of your head. If
your head is off position, it throws off your kinescetic sense,
and kinesthetic sense is one of the major evaluations of
someone's age. That's one of the major problems that people
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have with falling later on in life is because their
alignment isn't correct and so their kinescetic sense.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Is And we see that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So this is now the standard of care, not just
acknowledged by chiropractors and osteopaths, but by every healthcare professional
and by the major accrediting institute for America. So getting
that alignment is a very very basic type of way
to do that, and there are different ways of doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, let's talk about procedures that are done here at
our office for whiplash. I know you are board certified
in the Atlas Orthogonal Adjustment.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
The Atlas Orthogonal program has been acknowledged as the most complete,
most effective means of bringing the neck back into alignment.
It's a very mathematical type of procedure. We use an
instrument to accomplish that. It has been acknowledged by almost
all the other techniques. There's about forty acknowledged techniques within
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the Chiropractical Association. The Atlas orthogonal has been recognized by
the other techniques for those people who have special needs
within the cervical spine as the best technique out there.
So if someone is having difficulties, they're going to a
Gonstead sot activator practitioner, all those different techniques and they
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have problems with a neck, they do refer to an
Atlas orthogonist. I was amazed at when I first discovered it.
It's not the only technique that we use within our office,
but it is acknowledged as the best one for the
cervical spine. We are the only board certified Atlas orthogonist
in the state of Indiana. It is not something that
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we have to do very often on patients, but when
it is necessary, it is the only thing that will
really get people back straightened out.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So how does that differ from other chiropractic procedures.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It is based on mathematics. We get the adjustment down
to within a milimeter to put it back in exactly
where it should be. So it's a very precise, measured,
direct type of a adjustment that usually brings someone back
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into alignments with one adjustment.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I know, we get people from out of state come,
you know for that specific atlas orthogonal adjustment. We have
mds referring for that. There's one that works with cancer
patients in New York City that will send his cancer
patients cancer adjustment.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's a very.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Important thing because it deals with the whole nervous systems,
so it has a wide ranging effect. Like I said before,
we do quite a few other different types of techniques
within here, you know, and there are other systems of
adjusting that we use and we appreciate and actually utilize
a lot more than the antlyas thethogology, just because you
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only usually have to do the atmos orthogonal adjustment once.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's not being done multiple times.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's not being done multiple times. It's a very specific
type of technique, something that was life saving for me
personally and something that we offer here. But chiropractic that said.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Is not the only thing that needs to be done
in these situations.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Right, how does acupuncture help?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Acupuncture is again one of the now acknowledged means of
taking down inflammation and pain. So, you know, we have
people in a lot of pain, a lot of inflammation.
We need to get the alignment, but we also need
to get those down and that's where the acupuncture comes in.
As we can get the inflammation down, as we can
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reduce the pain, then we can get a lot more healing.
And it's now recommended that people are doing acupuncture instead
of taking anti inflammatories, pain relievers, muscle relaxers first to
see if that would work, especially with the pain medication,
because too many people are becoming addicted. There's too much
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of a problem that's associated with A and acupuncture is actually.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
More effective about decompression.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Decompression is an amazing type of technique that we also
do here, and what it does is it pumps the joints.
Oftentimes the joints are injured starting to develop some arthritis,
and as we can do the decompression, we can get
some healing well.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
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to the Voice of Health with doctor Robert Crater of
Holistic Integration, where our mission is restoring hope to our patients.
We're joined by Spencer to share his story. Spencer, what
first brought you to Holistic Integration?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
In twenty twenty one, I had a traumatic injury to
the cervical spine and I ended up walking away from
that injury with three torn muscles in my skull and
neck area, over a dozen torn ligaments, some nerve injuries
in that area, and so I needless to say, I
was in pretty rough shape when I showed up here
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my first day. I remember Doc kind of looked at
me like we got some work to do with this guy.
But I had already had a decent idea of what
I had needed, and it was actually through a personal
referral that I had found this office. One of my
diagnoses was upper cervical or craniocervical instability, and so what
(34:13):
really brought me to Holistic Integration was doctor Praither had
experienced hands on experience of not just treating those patients,
but seeing those patients get better. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
When you came in, you were one hurting guy, you know.
And one of the things I wanted to do is
because I understood where you were coming from, and I
understood a lot of the fears because you had gone
through so much. And so what I wanted to do
is kind of reassure you that I knew what I
was doing and that we could help you, which I
absolutely knew we could.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Yeah, most definitely. And you know, I'll say this, Doc,
you were of all the different practitioners and physicians and
everyone else that I had seen, you were the one
person that spoke with a certain confidence saying, I've seen
this before. I actually know what it is that you're experiencing,
and I can't guarantee you one hundred percent, but I
(35:06):
can help and we can help you heal. We can
help you heal in multiple ways. And that was one
of the things that I think really kickstarted my healing
and recovery process.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Sure, I could kind of feel you just kind of
relaxa which was important to see because you need to
have the patient on board, have the trust that we're
going to see you through. Because when you're talking about healing,
there's all this up and down type of stuff. It's
never a straight lining type of healing. But if we
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can establish the trust that we are going to take
that person to a much better health condition, then they
have the continence to stay with you, go through the
process and actually get better.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Absolutely so, Spencer, what kind of treatment were you're receiving
prior to coming to holistic integration.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I had done multiple things. I think some of them
quite helpful, some of them probably a deterrent towards getting better.
So the first actual procedure that I had done was
called a bilateral styloid actomy procedure and had calcifications of
ligaments that run basically from the base of the skull
to the hyoid bone and then also connect and to
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the jaw area. Well, I had those surgically removed because
they were calcified and they were pressing into nerves and
different vascular bodies. And so while that was helpful with
my atlas out of alignment and with those soft tissue
injuries with the muscles and tendons and ligaments in the area,
that had actually added to and compounded the instability part
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of the equation. So that was one thing that I
had done that throughout my recovery process that if I
could have done it differently, it probably would have been
that to maybe push that procedure and try some of
the other things that I think ended up really working.
The two other things that I had done prior to
coming to holistic integration were the stem cell procedures that
(36:59):
I was receiving, and those were at a facility out
in Denver, Colorado. Those I think were actually quite helpful.
And then I had also had PRP or platelet rich
plasma injections into some of the other areas, and then
also some nerve hydrodissection treatments, and so getting things treated
from that lens was extremely helpful. The one thing that
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no one else could get right until I came to
doctor Praither was my atlass was not able to hold
an adjustment for more than forty eight to seventy two hours.
And the interesting thing is it wasn't just the atlas
that was out. And one of the things where I
think Doc and I hit it off immediately was, yes,
your atlas is out, but there's other things impacting why
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your atlas is not holding. It's maybe something with the
jaw or something with this phenoid or something with actually
the pelvis, or something to do with your posture. There's
different layers to the reasons why these adjustments hold or not.
There's also functional things that I had that were going wrong.
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You know, I had cebo ce fo leaky gut, different toxicities,
different mineral deficiencies, all of these things I was able
to get treated here, and once one thing came back online,
it was like a cascade of instead of failures, it
felt like different parts of my body were actually starting
to come back online and work again. And so as
(38:28):
I started to go through that healing process, man, that
was the ultimate game changer.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
The whole thing is, you know, as you're getting this
all stabilized, you've got to get it in place. You've
got to get it to hold so that healing can
actually take place. If you're constantly moving that area up
in there, that's very traumatic to the nervous system. So
having to adjust it on a regular basis on that
just throws it off. So our goal working with chiropractic
(38:58):
is to get that into place where it released the
pressure off of the nervous system. The central nervous system
the veins, the arteries, the lymphatic systems starting to work.
As we can get that into place, you got to
hold it there. Otherwise you know you're never going to
see the healing take place. So if we can't get
(39:21):
that to hold, we're not doing our job. As a
matter of fact, the more you play with the whole thing,
the crazier the nervous system gets because.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It doesn't like that.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
And I experienced that when it came to symptoms firsthand.
I would initially, if I would get an Atlas adjustment,
I would kind of have a calming of the nervous system,
But then if something else was out of alignment, and
or there were obviously other issues internal that were causing
it to come back out of alignment, well then it
was like this yo yo of symptoms that I would
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have a good day and then three bad days or
two good days and five bad days, and I felt
myself kind of getting worse and worse and worse, as
that can until we were able to get it into
correct place, but also take care of the other things
from whether it's the functional medicine side or whether it's
from taking care of the other structures that also play
(40:12):
a role in making sure that that's going to hold
its alignment. And so it was really again the combination
of all of the above, and due to your experience
of being able to actually help people to get not
just the outlass right, but then also know what else
to look for. I remember the first time I had
my outlass properly adjusted, my jaw was out. I had
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other stuff going on in my skull and my shoulders
and my hips and pelvis. It was all wrong. You know,
it was like everything was out of whack. The entire
shape of my face even changed within the first twenty
four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And just how.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Different my whole face looked because I was finally getting
blood flow or the lymphatic system to drain properly and
the nervous system to calm down. You could really see
it in my eyes. It was like seeing color for
the first time in a way. But yeah, I was
a really cool experience, and you know, to experience that
in the first few days after having arrived here gave
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me a tremendous amount of confidence, like, holy smoke, I
can actually heal from this thing. I can actually come
back and start living life again. Because I was in
a period of life where I had spent over a
year either in beat or on the couch twenty twenty
two to twenty three hours a day. And before that
I was high performing at my job. I was a
(41:30):
I would argue you kind of washed it up weekend
warrior athlete, but I was very active basketball and golf
and weightlifting and running and all these different things. To
go from one to the other, the mental side of
things definitely played a role to get that initial kind
of shot of confidence that all right, we're onto something here,
especially considering the fact that I was already doing some
(41:52):
of those other modalities, the stem cells to help the
healing and the nerve treatments. Once we got the structure
part right, oh my gosh, that was an absolute game changer.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You know, one thing that occurs when the outlas is
way out, the whole rest of the body shifts to
accommodate that because it's trying to take pressure off of
that outlys, because that is the key to your life
is that area. As a matter of fact, if you're starving,
it will actually dissolve the rest of the body to
feed that area. So it's the most critical area. So
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everything shifts to try to help that out, and so
when you put it back into place, everything starts to shift.
So people have to have confidence that, yes, the outlas
is in, we need to get the job, we need
to get the skull, we need to get the rib cage,
because those things can start to shift in it feels uncomfortable.
So having that confidence from the patient probably I would
(42:48):
say that I've never met anybody that I couldn't get stabilized,
you know, in all my years of doing it. But
they have to give me the time and come back
and let me get the job back in the place,
the skull back into place, the rib cage back in
the place. They hit elves back in the place because
all that shifted, and so they're like, it felt great,
(43:10):
you know, for about twenty four to forty eight hours,
and then all this stuff started happening, and but you're
not just your atlas. So then we started to really
work on your skull because that had all shifted with it,
and trying to get that all under control was the
things that we did. Then everything started flowing. And kudos
to you because you put your faith and trust in
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the system and then rested in that and let us.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
Work Yeah, it was not a silver bullet kind of cure.
It's more of a just ongoing that once we get
the things right, then the body can actually begin to heal.
You know. It wasn't until I was probably eight to
twelve weeks into that process where yes, I had the
initial you know, physical change that you could see in
(43:57):
the first few days, but I really started the feel it.
You know, it was after the end of the second
or third month, where my nervous system had calmed and
my body was starting to function again. I was able
to get my circadium rhytham back, I was able to start,
you know, digesting food properly again, and just all these
other things that you know, you take for granted, and
(44:17):
especially when it comes to the upper cervical neck. I
think it's just natural to overlook some of those things.
But those were areas that you didn't overlook, and you know,
obviously very grateful for that at this point.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So how was holistic integration different from some of the
other things you were trying.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
On the chiropractic side. It was looking at the entire
skeletal rain or the entire structure as a whole. That's
something that I really gravitated towards because there would be
times when you know, I didn't necessarily feel like my
atlas was back out or that I had lost that alignment,
but I knew I didn't feel right, and going to
some other practitioners to be like, well, you're fine, but
(44:56):
I wasn't. And I knew that internally being able to
a partner with someone who actually understood that, Okay, it's
going to take more than just this one silver bullet care.
This is going to be a whole body process. This
is going to be the structure function side of the care.
This is going to be the internal and functional side.
And so to be able to have all of those
(45:18):
modalities under one roof, I feel like it's a huge
differentiating factor between this practice and a lot of other practices.
And so if there's one thing, it would be that
this office doesn't just do chiropractice. This office doesn't just
do acupuncture meridian therapy. This office doesn't just do functional
medicine or balance rey training or the physiotherapy or the
(45:39):
other ways to help the body detoxify. It's all in
one place. And it is through that process that I
was able to nail the structure side of things. And
then once the nervous system started to heal, and once
these other systems started to do what they're supposed to do, now,
all of a sudden, we have real healing at hand
that is going to be sustained over a period of time.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, the atlas is pretty involved. It does so much,
but you can't let that just overshadow everything else. That's
really such a key matter of fact. If there's one
thing I can do for someone's health is to put
the outlas back in place. Has the biggest effect on
someone's overall health, but it's not the only thing.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Spencer. Can you speak to your results in how you're
doing today.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
That's the best part of the equation. So when I
came here for the first time, it was in August
of twenty twenty three, and I've had to get my
atlas adjusted here a grand total of once. And I
went from needing it adjusted, if not weekly, multiple times
a week to one and done. And I think that
speaks volumes as to know what we've been able to
(46:52):
accomplish from a structural standpoint. But I think it's not
just getting that one vertebra back into place, right, it's
all of the other things that surround that. And so
I've seen my mental acuity improve, I've seen my professional
world improve. I went from being on multi year medical
leaves to being off and running a company and being
(47:15):
able to step back into the world of professional equities
trading and investing, which you have to have mental acuity
to do. And so going from basically almost bedridden to
being able to operate in a high stress, fast paced
environment mentally, that's been tremendous. And then being able to,
(47:36):
you know, get ten thousand steps a day and walk
four five miles a day, be more active, that's been amazing.
And once I started to see the mental side of
things come back online, then all of a sudden, my
ability to handle stress gets better. Then all of a sudden,
my sleep improves, And it's just been this kind of
domino effect to where I was in rough, rough shape,
(47:58):
and now I'm back to a place to where I've
recently started physical therapy and neuromuscular therapy. I'm hoping to
as we move into twenty twenty six, begin strength training again.
And I've really actually seen lasting impact due to the care.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, you know, when you're talking about the lower brainstem
right in through there, and when that atlas is out
of place, there's actually a shift in the shape of
that brainstem, which controls everything in the entire body. And
matter of fact, you can actually see indentions if you
were doing an MRI of the brainstem, if you were
(48:32):
actually looking at it, where that miss a line it is.
And it takes the pressure to be off of there
for ninety days for it to start to heal. So
if you can't get it to hold for three months,
you're never really going to make congress. So you've got
to get that thing stabilized, keep it there so that
(48:54):
it has the opportunity to heal, because that's that's your
life voice. I will not accept that I can't get
someone's atlas in to hold for three months, because if
I can't, I can't get a yield.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
And really that speaks to the timeframe to when I
really started to feel a bigger shift, because it was
around that, you know, once I got into weeks eight, nine,
ten twelve, that's when I really started to feel a
lot of improvement beyond just the things that I could
physically see the first few days. And so fortunately I
was willing to, you know, just adhere to the process
(49:28):
and trust that you know, someone with the expertise could
guide me in the right direction. And here we are
a couple of years later, and the results speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
So, Spencer, what would you say to someone dealing with
similar injuries?
Speaker 6 (49:42):
In my experience, there's been three things that have helped
me the most. The two things that were not at
this office were these stem cell treatments and the PRP
of nerve hydro dissections. I do think those played a
pretty significant role in my recovery, But it wasn't until
I layered on the things here where I really saw
(50:02):
lasting change. You know, I would feel better for a
couple of days doing other things, and I do think,
you know, all of the healing and the growth factors
from those other treatments were great. But it was getting
things aligned, taking care of the internal stuff. It was
doing all of the lab work, and it was some
of the most comprehensive lab work I'd ever had done.
All the different biomarkers, all the different vitamins and minerals
(50:24):
and toxicities and all the stuff I had going on.
I knew I didn't feel right. I didn't know how
bad those labs were going to look and you know,
going to a traditional primary care type environment, maybe they'll
look at a few things. But the amount of things
that we looked at from a lab standpoint was just
so far beyond and above anything that I'd ever previously
(50:47):
had done.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
An interesting thing is that everything interplace. You know, we
always say structure effects function, function effects. Structure the key
to our changes as far as functionally, you know, physiologically,
one of the biggest saying is the atlas, because quite frankly,
you're never going to balance out anything unless you get
that atless set. Nothing physiologically, nothing throughout the body will
(51:10):
actually work properly until you get that set.
Speaker 6 (51:14):
Anyone who's been through trauma to the upper cervical spine
area can relate that it's stressful. It's fearful because you know,
there's dozens of symptoms that can come with that, and
so at my worst, I had pots symptoms, I had vertigo,
I had you know, extreme crippling anxiety that before my
(51:37):
injury to that area I'd never experienced before. I didn't
even know how that really felt. Going through all of that,
it's an extremely stressful thing to go through, not just
because of the trauma to the area, and not just
because of how critical that upper cervical area is because
of the brain stem and everything that has to be
functioning properly for you to feel and function your best,
(51:59):
but it was also just seeing that big shift in
all of those neurological symptoms that came with it. You know,
I was also experiencing thoracic outlets, syndrome symptoms. You know,
I had weakness in my hands, I had issues with
carpal and cubital tunnel. I had all of these other
things going on, and a lot of that all came
back to the next and so it was through the
(52:21):
combination of the modalities that I chose to run with
that really made that big difference. And so in speaking
to other people that are going through cervical instability or
going through injury and trauma to those areas, this is
a formula that worked well for me. It's really been
the shift of a lifetime to go from where I
(52:44):
was with the performance that I had pre injury to
the low of the lows, you know, the most difficult mental,
physical place that I've been in life as a whole,
to now on the other side of that. Call it hope,
call it faith, call it whatever you want to. There
are modalities that can actually help come back from these issues.
(53:05):
And so I'm grateful for having, you know, taken the
trip to be here, the level of conviction that I had.
I lived in Ohio. You know, I've got my Ohio
hat on, but I sold my home in Ohio to
move to be closer to here in Indianapolis strictly because
of this office. And so you know, I know that's extreme,
and not everyone has the ability to do that, but
(53:28):
it was because I knew that all of those trips
were difficult on my neck, they were difficult on my spine.
You know, anyone who's ever driven I seventy west between
Ohio and Indiana pothhole city.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
And so, you know, there were a lot of.
Speaker 6 (53:42):
Reasons why I wanted to come here, but this office
and the care that I was receiving, the warmth of
the staff, your experience, and your expertise, Doctor Prayther, I
was willing to move my entire life to continue this process.
And again here I am a couple of years into it.
You know, I have life changing The book.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Holistic Integration is located at eighty nine oh two North
Meridian Street on the north side of Indianapolis, just south
of the I four sixty five loop. If we can
help you to achieve better health, we'd love to hear
from you. Connect with our office at three one seven
eight four eight eighty forty eight. That's three one seven
eight four eight eighty forty eight. Join us again next
(54:31):
week or any time on our website at the Voice
of Health radio dot com for the Voice of Health
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