Ep. 18: Ben Dropkicks Isaac Straight to Therapy

In this episode of the W Ritz Podcast, Ben "the Baddy" Leubner joins Will and Isaac to discuss the problems of the American school system, offer his endorsement of seltzer water, judge Isaac's personal playlist, and argue about therapy.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to the w RITZ podcast, folks. Unfortunately I have some rather
unfortunate news today. So William isdead, and unfortunately the w Arts Podcast
from now on will be ceasing production. And I'm not going to tell you
why William died. That is aprivate, confidential matter that you would not
prefer to share with you. Butif you're looking for another podcast to listen

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to, you should really consider listeningto Zilb Hour. It's called Zilb Hour
and you can be fined on Applepodcasts and Spotify and anywhere else. But
anyway, since it's just me onthe w Arts Podcast now, I would
just like to say that William,you know, he's okay, but he's
not my favorite person in the world. I cannot lie. And I will

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not miss doing the podcast with himat all. In fact, I'm kind
of glad that now it's just goingto be me because I'm way funnier than
William. And yeah, this hasbeen my opening monologue to what is going
to be a new era of thew Ritz podcast. So you know,

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we're we're ready for this new era. To comment, Oh crap, somebody's
walking down my studie. No,he's alive. Guys, crap, I
just finished saying he's dead. Who'dbring with him? Oh my gosh,
that is one sick mustache bro?Yeah you who you got here? Well,
I was just I just finished tellingeverybody that you were dead. By
the way, oh well I'm notactually dead. Yeah. Well, we

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have a very very special guest today, dear listeners, Probably the biggest w
RITZ podcast fan on the planet ishere with us in the studio, the
one, the only Benjamin Lubner.Thank you. I'm glad to be here.
I've listened to podcast since day one. Yeah, he's comments on every
one of our podcasts. Yeah,I gotta leave a comment. I listened

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every single one. Yeah, Ithink one of the few that's listened to
every single one. Probably. Yeah. Anyway, welcome. You'll find before
you ben three choice Seltzer waters.It's a tradition here on w Writs podcast
to drink Seltzer water. So you'regonna try out the ginger, good good,

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all right, try out the gingerand let us know what you think.
All right. I'm not a bigCelsiter water fan, but you know,
I'll give it a shot. It'svery good. It's like it's like
a toned down version of what Itaste like. It doesn't it's like not
pop, but it's it's ginger ale, except like if ginger rail was watered
down. It's very good. Man, I'm nervous. I'm not gonna lie,

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man, I'd be nervous. Thisis probably You'll be fine. Yeah,
I'm sure everybody who comes on thispodcast leaves with less self respect than
they came on with. But nohurt feelings take anybody's self respect anyway,
we should get started with the topicor two. I don't know. We're
talking where should we start. Wedidn't really plan any We planned every We
planned. We plan this awesome introwhere I would tell everyone that you were

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and then you would hop on withBen. But we didn't plan much past
that, unfortunately. Well, Igot a question for you, Isaac.
Shoot, are you that would yousay you're a happy person? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah? Do you wouldyou find politics because you're a big politic
guy. Do you find politics sometimesmaking you upset? Not not generally?

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Really? Really, I do notget that except by politics. I'm pretty
I'm pretty optimistic when it comes topolitics. So why why? Which is
why I can handle talking about them? So well, okay, yeah,
that makes sense. I used tobe huge into politics. I was a
lot like you, Isaac. Isee myself and you, I do know,
like two years older than me.No, I see myself and you

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a younger version of myself. Iused to be so obsessive, but I
always always would get angry constantly becausethey're just all like ye, the beds
and the gaze and all all them. But then I just stopped listening to
and I was happy. But ifI'm so, you talk about it a
lot, Ziba. Listen to thelast episode. Yeah, good, thank
you, thank you. I wouldrecommend it for any listeners. It's pretty

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good. Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, if you're gonna get your
politics from somewhere, might as wellget it. You might as well get
it. No, you're not partof any corporation, so there's no corruptions,
right, So that's right. Ileave canceled by YouTube at least once,
so you actually, yeah, wenever never talked. Yeah, we
never talked about that. Yeah,we meant to, but we forgot.
One of his episodes got banned.Most people who listen to this podcast probably

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already know because I've probably already toldthem. But go ahead, Yeah,
you're One of your episodes got bannedbecause you said Big Farmer was bad,
right, Yeah, I called itthe COVID vaccine effective and dangerous for that.
Yeah, they didn't like what Isaid. They called me out for
medical misinformation. That's what I can'tstand that the media has such an agenda

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against the right. And it's veryannoying because if you look up right now,
if you Google news, the topten headlines are, uh, Donald
Trump in jail, Donald Trump isbad, the right wing hating. It's
just all negative against the right wing. You go from, you go from
like the Israel headlines and past that, it's like, oh, yeah,

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exactly. And that's why they wantto get rid of Andrew Tate because he
spoke, He speaks the truth.Tell what what? Uh what what don't
you agree with that? He says? Well? The thing about Andrew Tate
is I like how he I likehow he articulates himself right, Like,
I think he's a very well spokenexcept for when he curses, you know,

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worse than a sailor. But hedoesn't know how to make his point.
I feel like sometimes drives it harderthough, Yeah, it does,
because like when when people hear somebodycurse, that sort of shocks them into
lining. Yeah. I find AndrewTate very funny. I just when he
talks about how men are weaklings now, like he's totally right about that,

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like men do take no personal responsibility. When he talks about women, that's
where I start to feel like hegoes off the deep end? What does
he said about women? Can canyou give me something? I know?
So a lot of people take theclips from like he made a whole uh
you heard Hustlers University. Yeah,that's like a whole program thing he made
like eight years ago. And inthat like he's joking around about being he's

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not actually like saying the stuff aboutwomen whatever like slap the woe whatever,
anything he says. I that's jokingAnd it's just all the stuff. It's
a lot of clips just taking outof context. And you get that a
lot nowadays because like if you goon YouTube shorts, like half of it
is just podcast and then you don'tknow what the context is. It's just

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Yeah, I think I think thatAndrew Tate's actions do speak louder than any
one clip because clips are you know, manipulated all the time. Half of
them were I'm sure taking out ofcontext half of them. You know,
Andrew Tate was making a joke.I do. I will say I do
think he's changed since he used todo this, but he did used to
run a webcam business. That's howhe got rich. He doesn't like that.
From what I've looked into, stilllittle shady and the reality is the

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main reason why I object to alot of what he says is because I
listen to people other than Andrew Tate, who I respect more than Andrew Tate,
like good Christian men. You know, a lot of the people at
the Daily Wire, for instance,they're they're they're imperfect, but they they
stand for Christian values. They're notMuslim values, right, and they're they're
talking about you know, Andrew Clavensaid that he was horrified at Andrew Tate

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because Andrew Tate and his gaggle ofsupporters have learned how that have learned that
women can be manipulated. And I'mnot saying that everybody who likes Andrew Tate
wants to manipulate women. I'm justsaying that Andrew Tate doesn't really want what's
best for both sides of the outlet, right, like he wants mu's best
for men. He clearly Actually,I think he actually does want men to
succeed. I just, well,yeah, I think that he is willing

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to do it at the expense ofwomen, as proved by the fact that
he used to own a webcam business. Okay, I do I think I
do agree with you. I thinkhe's a bit extreme, but I do
think the effect he's had on culturehas been overall good, just because like
he's been like inspiring a lot oflike men who've oh yeah, nothing,

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dude, I used to be liketwo hundred and fifty pounds. I'm like,
right now, Yeah, that's likea lot. What he says about
going to the gym, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, anything he says
about masculinity. I think he's onehundred percent right, and he's been inspiring
a lot of men to like getoff their butts and like, actually the
men make it so soft exactly.Yeah. I think he does maybe put
a little too much emphasis on makingmoney, Like I do not think that

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we should be telling people that makingmoney is the end goal of life.
You know, of course he's notwell, he used to be Christian,
He's not anymore because of how softthe modern Church has become. Because well,
that is a problem, isn't it. It is very much a problem.
Can Can I tell you why?Sure? It's because the definition of
love has been changed in the modernChurch and in general. Because if you

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talk to another Christian say something,oh yeah, homosexuality, that's bad,
Like that's no. No, yougot to be loved. No, you
got to be loving. Jesus wasloving. No, it's because the meaning
of love has been changed from theactual meaning of love in scripture to tolerance.
Right. Well, and love hasbecome an all encompassing term. Right

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If I were to say I loveice cream, Well, that doesn't mean
I do any sacrificial acts. Yeah, right, it just means I really
like ice cream. You like icecream. And you know, maybe we
just maybe it's the fault of theEnglish language, but we need more words
to just describe the different types oflove. Yeah, because like you have,
like with Greek, you had likethe four types of love. Like,
of course I believe that as aChristian, I am mandated to love

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gay people. Right, But whenI say I love gay people, that
could be taken in about sixteen differentways, right, that I love people,
I love people Jesus would have wantedme to love right, And I
feel we should maybe be loving towardsgay people in a way that a father

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would love his son. If hisson's about to go touch the furnace like
a fire, like no, ifyou like, he's not getting his son
away and saying no, if youtouch that, you're gonna get hurt.
Yeah, he's not saying that becausehe he hates his son. He's saying
that because he loves his son andhe doesn't want his son to get hurt.
Because if we don't say it tolike somebody who's struggling with homosexually,

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be like, hey, if youcontinue down this path, just like any
other path of lust, sin,like lying, deceitfulness, any of this
stuff, if you continue on thispath that leads to hell. So we
can lovingly be like, hey,you're headed down a path that's not okay.
Well, And part of the problemI've noticed this with megachurches especially is
that they are all about loving people, which is good, But when they
put so much emphasis on that thatthey start to forget all the other aspects

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of like things we're commanded to do, that's when they start to make love
an all encompassing term, and soit does come to me and just accepting
people for you know, I mean, I guess there's a case to be
made for except like if someone walksinto my church and they're living in openly
sinful lifestyle, well I will acceptthem as they are in that moment.
But that doesn't mean I don't wantthem to become better, yeah, and
to you know, become more likeJesus, especially considering you know, if

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they keep coming to church, wellthen they're opening themselves up to the responsibility
of becoming more christ Like. Andif they don't better themselves, then well
eventually then why would they come tochurch? And well, eventually something's got
to be done about that, youknow. Yeah. Yeah, so it's
just it's just the meaning of lovehas been changed to tolerance. Yeah so,
and tolerance means nowadays means support,support exactly exactly, like you have

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to endorse it, not just notjust to live and let live. Okay,
you can live your life. Eventhe meaning of tolerance has been changed,
just like, okay, agree todisagree, we're both human beings.
Whatever agree Now tolerance is no,you have to believe exactly what I believe.
Definition of tolerance. I am tolerantof gay people existing, right.

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I do not have a problem.I mean, obviously I do have them
more or old problem with being gayin the first place. But I do
not think society needs to crack downon gay people because they're gay. I
don't that's a good idea, right, yeah, right, yeah, I
think that you know, maybe wecould dial it back around the kids.
Maybe we could dial it back,yeah, special schools. That's why I

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don't want to send my kids kidsanywhere near like public school because of homeschooling
to I would like to homeschool.That brings up a question. Do you
think that parents who do send theirchildren to public schools are beginning to fail
as parents? Right? Do youthink that there could be a case to
be made for that. I thinkthere could be, And I think that

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a lot of time modern parenting isalso a lot of putting their kids in
front of a TV screen or aniPad. And this happened to you.
You'll be in a restaurant, right, It always happens at restaurants, and
you're sitting down with your family andyou have a nice meal, and you
look out of corner your eye andyou see this three year old walking into
his iPad and he's on my bedthe whole time. He's get off the
screen. That was that was neverallowed in you could not have at the

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and I and I don't think it'sa case of like, oh when I
was a kid, I wasn't.No, I think it's genuinely, genuinely
an issue to where kids at asuper young age are getting addicted. Like
my one nephew, I'm not gonnasay his name, but he's like eleven,
and he his Nintendo switch was takenaway from him and Fortnite was deleted.

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No legit sprinted upstairs, jumped onhis bed and started screaming, my
life is over now that I can'tplay Fortnite and was no. He was
like, just like hiss. Theentire world just trumbled around him over just

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Fortnite. I mean, yeah,I like what you said, Like there
is a case to be made formaking changes to how you parent with technology.
I have a phone, but Ididn't get it till I was fourteen.
I got a phone last year.You gotta wait. You gotta wait
till the kid is responsible and thethree year olds are not responding. You
don't just give it to them assoon as they're like out of the womb,
like you gotta you gotta introduce itto them like in a controlled environment
in the right way, and liketeach them and teach them that there are

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limits to how much you should use. Yeah, the policy at my house
was, you know, you canplay a few games on your iPad if
you want, but you're not goingto play for more than a half hour
of time. Then you're gonna gooutside and you're gonna live like a normal
child. And now we have abunch of little cyborgs around, and I
have family members who are just liketheir kids, crying to go give the
iPad just hand. No, Ihate that. It's like just having the

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technology and whatever it's being pushed throughtechnology onto the get kids have to be
able to cry. Sometimes. Youcan't always pacify them because if you pacify
them every time they cry, they'regonna learn, Oh, if I cry,
I'll get what I want. Andthey'll turn into really entitled people,
right like when they're unjustly harmed.Hey maybe, and any any behavior that's
set into them, like they start, like any habit they develop as a

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kid will carry through there in life. And it's very hard to break a
bad habit, right, yeah.So I just think that parents in the
in sending their kids to public school, I don't know. I just think
it's become very easy to be alazy parent. Yes, I think that's
my point. Then, well,the problem is that you have these kids
in daycare from the time they're like, as soon as mom gets off maternity

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leave, they're in daycare. Yeahyeah, right, and then they're you
know, and then they're in school, and then finally, oh, oh
my gosh, you're in college.Now exactly, why are you forsaking me
all of a sudden. It's notlike I sent you off to go be
raised by a bunch of public governmentemployees your whole life. I know.
That's like a thing with like theywant to get rid of the nuclear family
quote unquote, which is the mom, dad, kids. Dad goes work

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so the family can be provided for, the mom stays home and raises the
kids. Well, that's another problem. Now, it's it's hard. It's
like this is just a factor ofsociety. It's hard to raise a family
on one income. Now the momis being forced into working, right,
yeah, right, And I don'tthink that was an accident. I think
they did that on purpose. Idon't know. I don't know if I'd
go that far, but maybe Iwould. Feels a little too convenient.

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I mean, I don't they're notThey're not just trying to brainwash people.
They're trying to like force them intoa situation where they can't they don't have
another choice. Besides, and youknow, I think the solution to this
problem, I'm I would before areturn actually to where kids live with their
parents as they grow up. Right, you know, you have one family

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house and then you go out intosociety as the child of your parents,
and you live a productive life,and you get married, and then you
know, you stick around the area, right, and then if you need
help watching the kids, you sendthem off to grandma's. And so it's
going to do a better job raisingyour kid than the government. And so
many families now are resenting their parentsand moving far away. Right then the

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parents, Oh why didn't you Whydon't you like us? Oh? Maybe
because you just send us away.You guys were never around ever in my
school. Every day when I sawyou, You're always working handed me an
iPad every time that I was.They were raised by the iPad, not
their parents. So their iPad wasthere for them more than their parents,
So of course they're going to getaddicted to it. Yeah, and I

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was homeschooled is the best thing ever? Yeah? Me too? Were you
homeschooled? Isaac? I have been. Yeah, I'm homeschooled to I don't
know if it's okay, let's belet's be real here, guys. Rivendell
is just school for homeschool is Idon't think it's how many days a week
do you go too? Oh?What do you do for the other five?

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It depends usually homework? Wow,Okay, I mean that's what homeschool.
I feel like it half qualifies asschool. I think, like mother
is teaching me, right, doesn'tshe school? Okay? Not me,
I'd say your homeschooled because of that. It's only two days a week.
My we had just a curriculum thatwe did tell we had a question.

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But I'm gonna be honest, Ididn't learn know that's homeschooling. Like you
know, I think there's a caseto be made for not having your kids
be cooled at home one hundred percentof the time, right, Yeah,
Because I do know families who've takenthis to the extreme. They're like,
we don't want our kids playing withany other kids because the other kids are
bad. And so it was like, look, I understand where you're coming
from here, but if you're notsecure enough as a parent to make sure
that your kids are forming healthy friendships, then that's not your kids problem and

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they shouldn't have to get a consequencesthat the stereotype, the stereotype of the
socially awkward homeschool kids, came fromsomewhere, right, Yeah, And a
lot of times I know people whowere like, oh, you're homeschool you're
a homeschooler. I'm like, dumbexactly. Like I know somebody's like,
oh, I don't want to homeschoolmy kids because they're going to be losers.
I'm like, first of all,it's like, it's I believe the

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parents. It's the parents that decideif their kid's gonna be social or not.
So no, I'm very social,and I was homeschool my entire life.
It's just because I was taking mydad took me to work all the
time, and I was constantly meaningother homeschooled kids, meeting a bunch of
other people sometimes homeschoolers are socially awkward, but like just because they don't they

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never went to school, they neverhad to deal with all the idiots at
public school. Yeah, and it'snot a bad thing, right, there's
there's socially awkward people in public school. You know how to talk to people,
right, Like, Well, it'ssomething you developed, just like any
other skill, like socializing as askill. It's not something you're born with
or not. So it's like,I used to be socially awkward. Mind,
I used to be socially awkward growingup. You both saw me in

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that phase. Yeah, socially awkward. Yeah, well I've grown out of
it because I trained myself to bebetter about it, and I think I've
come very far. I used toeat cereal in a closet every You when
I every every Sunday for youth groupat our church. You would be like
they'd have breakfast there and there's acloset, and I would be so terrified

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to talk to anybody. I'd justgo hide in the closet. And yeah,
I did come out of the closetin that church. Wow, you
came out of closet every week?Bro, Wow, that's messed up.
Yeah, tell me about it,but I'm not as socially awkward before.
I never went to quite that degree. But I feel like even though I

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was homeschooled, like there was usuallyplenty of stuff for me to do and
have to go and see people.Like, even though I didn't like seeing
people, the only time I reallydidn't have any social interaction was during COVID
because that's when everyone and everybody thoughafter that I stopped caring. I was
like, you know, what ifI can just live in my house alone

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for a year, what do Icare what people think of me, because,
like you know, and that's whenI was like, time to not
be socially awkward anymore and make somejokes and actually live my life because I
don't want to be stuck in myhouse again. Yeah, you wear a
mask or no? Well here's thething. I would wear the mask,
but it was under the nose.I will tell you that much. Yeah,

(20:55):
let's go bro listen they tell meto put it on, I'd look
right at them and then I putit on because I was afraid of any
confrontation. But I don't want toget yelled at. As much as I
could, I wouldn't wear the mask. But yeah, I wouldn't wear it
unless somebody told me because I don'twant to start any trouble. And I
also didn't want to be on TikTok. But something funny that my mom did

(21:18):
is she ordered a lace mask.Yeah yeah, yeah, she worked a
church a couple of times a lacemask, so it had holes in it.
She wore everywhere. Nobody ever liketold her weight. That doesn't make
any sense, right, like mymom did that as a commentary on what
the mask actually. I feel likeif I were a little older during COVID,
I probably would have taken my ownstance a little more seriously. Like

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when COVID happened, I was probablytwelve thirteen. What happens against the mic?
Yeah you got it? Yeah,what if it happens again? Would
you wear no mask? No,you're not all right? I don't either.
All right? You will, Iwill. I want you to ask
if someone yells at me, becauseI don't want to be on TikTok.
But otherwise, no mask. Nomask for me either unless I'm a cop

(22:04):
when it happens again, because thenI don't I don't want to get in
any trouble. Yeah, you're abig cap guy. You want to be
hop in New York? Insane?Probably not. I'm probably gonna move out
of state. My cousin's joining theTroopers. Only you don't need to go
to school. They changed that,really, Yeah, because they need people.
Probably there's like nobody wants to bea cop. Nobody wants to be

(22:27):
a cop these days because well formultiple reasons, like I couldn't do it.
I have insane amounts of respect foranybody who's a cop or even wants
to become a cop. Like myfamily knows a lot of people who are
cops here in New York, Likea couple of families even they both moved
out because they didn't like being theguy didn't like being a cop here in
New York. And mm hmmm.I can't blame them. I can't blame

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Yeah, I'm probably gonna move outof state. I don't know where where
you're gonna go? North Carolina,Tennessee, maybe maybe North Carolina. Everybody
and Texas people move to Texas.I'm living North Carolina. I faimily lives
here. But isn't that where willyour brother Will is planning to go.
Unfortunately, Yes, I might haveto move to South Carolina instead, because
I don't know. Oh, youdon't want to be in the same state

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as no Way, Yeah, myfamily is planning to move somewhere. I
don't know. Really, you're richthough, you have a nice house,
but it's a nice house in NewYork state, which is a bit of
a problem. Well, my dadhas been talking about it for a while,
just because like he doesn't like thedirection that New York is going and

(23:32):
it's not a very nice place tolive economically, and he wants to be
closer with family. Is it Isit expensive expensive New York? Yeah,
it's very expensive. The cost ofliving here is crazy. Like it's probably
the highest in well second highest,California is probably the highest. I think
it is, Yeah, by far. Yeah, Yeah, I just don't
know. I'm not part of theeconomy. Yeah, I don't know,

(23:52):
bro have, but I trust mydad because like he knows a lot about
economy. Over zoom. If youdid that, yeah, yeah, that
you should just move with me wereyou You're gonna make a hype house.
Make As much as I hate tosay it, I like it here.
Okay, I also do you likeit? I love it here, But
like I don't know if this isIf this place gets any worse, I

(24:15):
don't know if it'll be worth itanymore. The only thing I've noticed getting
worse is gas prices and Arizonas aren'tninety nine cents anymore. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's the big deal.That's a nice thing about living in a
blue state when there's a blue dictatoror president. I guess whichever we're going
to do. If you're in ablue state, things are already as bad
as they can get for you,right right. Maybe the rest of the

(24:37):
nation is going to catch up whenunder the president. But yeah, your
life already sucks. Yeah, that'strue. We do live in the worst
So maybe we're just built tougher thaneverybody. Yeah, maybe we'll move.
Everything will be People will like complainabout me two dollars fifty cents gas prices
and we'll be like, yeah,maybe nothing. Yeah, I remember when
they were five dollars. Aga callen, Right, you voted for Trump.

(25:02):
Oh that's a question. Wait,you're not going to be Yeah, you're
not going to be able to fouryou can I think maybe rig some election,
Maybe you can mail in some ballots. Maybe I'll hide him in a
closet in Michigan. That's a goodidea. Maybe you can see that.
You see the red bar just spikeup right, yeah, out of nowhere.
Yeah yeah, legit. And thenthe other one exactly exactly. The

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other one just plateaus. He getszero votes for like a couple hours,
and the other one spike. Iguess people just really didn't like the other
Canada, Yeah, all of asudden. It's crazy. I told somebody.
I was like, oh, yeah, the election was rigged, and
they're like, no, it wasn't. I was like, liberal, it
really was. It really was rigged. It's it's kind of insane, and
so like, can we really trustit though? Now that we know it's

(25:48):
like no, here's my thing aboutthe election. I don't think we can
trust it, which is why Ithink we have to run a candidate who
can get like, way more thanfifty percent of the vote, right.
We have to run somebody's actually popular. And that's why I'm not sure about
Trump like I would. I wouldlike it if he were president again,
but I want to make sure thatwe can get like sixty percent of the
vote with somebody. I don't knowif it's even possible in Today's America.
But I really wish that just alot of Republicans right now. There's the

(26:14):
Vicram, I mean he seems cool. Do you not like the Vicar Like
he's a young guy. He's yeah, I mean we need a young he
seems to me. But he's allright. Yeah. Santis has been quiet.
I haven't heard anything from him.I don't know if you guys been.
Stas isn't running his campaign that well. I haven't been. I've been
barely paying attime. His strategy wasI'm Trump but better. But people just

(26:37):
like, like, if they canhave Trump or Trump, They're just gonna
choose the Trump. That's why somebodyright, yeah, like and then got
like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott andMike Pence. Yeah, you don't stand
a chance, man, Just no, they don't. I think I think
all of them should. Just ifyou don't want Trump, get behind the
Santa exactly. Everybody should get behindhas a chance. You can't mean,

(27:00):
you can't split up Republicans vote therepublic mommies can totally. It doesn't just
because the Bak is probably going tobe Trump's VP, in my opinion,
so it doesn't matter if he's runningor not. Even though even though he
does show some potential, I don'tthink he really he I don't think he
really even cares if he runs ornot, because he's just trying to be
Trump's vice president. They should theyshould change it so it's they we vote

(27:26):
for a Republican president, and thepresident has to have a Democrat vice president.
Would actually be really interested. Itwould be I think helpful because we'd
get more there. There'd be alot of talking, like Trump and Bernie.
That'd be pretty good. Trump andThat'd be pretty I don't know,

(27:47):
depicts is listen? Can I saysomething? A lot of times? I
think a lot of times is theright conservative Republicans vote against their own interests
because well, what do you thinkabout the Speaker of the House thing?
Because that that ties right into thatlike they voted to oust their own speaker.
You think that they voted against theirinterests there. Maybe I don't know,

(28:10):
I don't know they could have.But I feel like Conservatives, Republicans,
the right wing, whatever you wantto call them, because of the
American dream, they don't want tolike vote for stuff that taxes billionaires or
rich people because oh wait, I'mwant to be a billionaire. I'm going
to be rich eventually, so Idon't want taxes on them. So I
don't know they do. There's somethere's the billionaires. They are very corrupt.

(28:34):
Besides Elon Musk, I heard ElonMusk is an alien. I would
not be surprised anyways. No,but I don't know. I just think
that we should tax the billionaires.Tax more taxing on rich people, more
taxing on Yeah, dude, giveme some of that money. You're not
very much a libertarian, are you. Listen. I'm myself. I'm not

(28:55):
any party. He's his own partyLibertarian. No, no, they're not.
No, I'm not a Libertarians liketo pretend that they're not part of
any party. But there I'm actuallynot. I'm not. I'm not any
part of it. So picture likeif there was a like a line straight
line with right left and somewhere inbetween, like I'm like twenty feet above
all of that, Like I'm noteven on this. Well you're not even

(29:18):
on the line. No, lifeunder the sun, not for him,
will No. I I have alot of different views. Yeah, so
well, yeah, I think that'sthe case for a lot of people.
Like with that, with how Americanpolitics is set up. You either have
to be right or left. There'slike, no, there's no room for
like you. I'm just sick becauselike you can, like like Ben,

(29:41):
you could be like pro taxation ofthe rich but also still have like the
pro gun yeah, anti gay,anti gay yeah slogan. You can't say
that. Well they actually take usoff, Yeah they might. I don't
care. Like, what are theygoing to do sides ban us? We'll
just have to move to kick orsome other Yeah, something like that.

(30:07):
Yeah. Any wait, we're atWe're at thirty minutes here, right back
with segment two of the w RitzPodcast with our guest Benny boy Lubner.
That's me, Welcome back to parttwo of probably the hypest w Ritz Podcast

(30:34):
episode. Because it's our very specialguest and in the second every episode of
our podcast is the hypest, thehypest person you've ever had on. We
just they just keep getting hyper andhyper. Yeah, that's right. Soon
they'll have ADHD. It's not real. Oh oh. In the third segment,
it's absolutely right, all right,all right, all right, no,

(30:56):
no, no, we'll write thatdown. We'll say that for all
right, save it for the rightfor our second segment. You know,
are more you know chill, youknow, just light discussion segment. We're
gonna just the one where we makefun of each other. Oh yeah,
make fun of each other for ourmusic tastes. Isaac and Ben are gonna
compare their playlists the top ten songsin their playlists. All right, all

(31:17):
right, this is how are wegonna How are we gonna structure this?
This one is called pop pop punk, That's what it's titled. Yours is
called February. You'll say this inexclusively February. I know. I just
started making it in February and onever since. Interesting. All right,
Ben, you go first? Whatdo I got on there? All the
Small Things is the first one thatI see by I love great song Angry

(31:41):
by the Rolling Stones. Not abig classic rack fan. I love the
Rolling Stones. I'm not a bigfan of well. I like the Rolling
Stones. But that's their new song. It's actually pretty good. Uh,
we got Ramstein? Is that Ramstein? Oh? Is it Germany? I'm
German? Hostile German? Yeah,never heard it? Not gonna lie.

(32:02):
Black Sabbath paranoid, never heard it. I don't listen to this old I've
heard Black Sabbath Chad Smith. Ohit's the guy in the drums TikTok,
He's all over TikTok, he's reallyYeah, what band is he in?
Red Hot Jelli Peppers. Oh yeahyeah. Eruption by Van Halen. I

(32:25):
love that song. I love itso much. Yeah, no, it's
pretty good so far. I thinkI think of mine. You're here on
Ben's playlists. We've got Dear Maria, count me In by All Time Low.
You listened to it? I've listenedto some All Time Live. I
haven't listened to that one, butanother the Best decently good Jamie all Over,
may Day Pray another band I've heardof. Haven't listened to that song?

(32:45):
Face Down Bread Chumpsuit Apparatus Check Yes, Juliette by Wee the Kings.
I've listened to that one. It'spretty good. Mh. I'm Just a
Kid by Simple Plan. Another goodband, Misery Business by Paramore. This
is actually on my playlist as well. I like this on a lot.
You should listen to Misery Business byParamore nineteen eighty five, Bowling for Soup
then We Got Sugar. We're GoingDown by a follow up Boy, not

(33:07):
my favorite. You heard that butrespectable boy. Yeah, uh waitless by
All Time Low and a bunch ofother other stuff here. But let's go
back to mine. We got wegotta switch off here, switch a couple
Aerosmith, Walk this Way? Hatethat song, worst favorite song, worst
favorite hate that song by anyone,the one by A Smith? Yeah,

(33:32):
walk this Way, walk this Way? Yeah, yeah, No, I
hate it. I hate it.It's such a dumb song. It's such
a stupid song. I hate it. I think that's gonna ruin your playlist
if that, if you got youneed something to I don't know you deem
it, Yeah, you're a deemthing. Sweet emotion all right, sorry,

(33:54):
yeah, reckless, abandon Blink oneof you two I like. I
like Blink wait too. All right, we got something on yours I'm seeing
here that's going to kind of redeemyou, but it also might make you
into an emo kid. You gotteenagers by my my chemical romance and clean
up your looks books. Yeah,out of you. You have my chemical

(34:19):
romance right here. Welcome to theblack Parade. Yeah, their most famous
one. Obviously, you're like abasic white girl of frock music. There's
more on there. No, it'sbetter than being a basic white girl with
pop music. Yeah, Taylor Swiftsucks. Yeah. First Date Travis L.
Swift famously that's the I go.First Date is such a fun song

(34:44):
though, Like the lyrics are hilarious. Yeah, oh you got Welcome to
the Black Parade on yours too.I have songs you guys actually have very
similar music. The Middle by JimmyWorld. That's a good song. Hm,
you got Fat Lips by some fortyone? Who you have? American
Idiot by Green Day? Oh soyou also have an American Idiot? Yeah?

(35:06):
Oh no, oh, no youhave. I'm not okay, I
promise that is the most emo songI used to be. I think I
remember you Got the White Hair?He Got basket Case by green Day on
here got some good stuff on here. Nice playlist, Thank you. I
like yours too, kind of.I wouldn't listen to the one. The
one Aerosmith song ruined it for him. If if that wasn't on there,

(35:27):
Ben would totally. I will giveit a seven out of ten. It's
good. I like the blank onea two. Uh. It's pop punk
is close to my favorite genre,but it's not quite there, which is
why it's not higher. Okay,I'd give yours probably four or I liked.
I mean, if I were delete, if I were to delete walk

(35:51):
this Way right now, what wouldgive you seven? Okay, that would
go up? It's really bad song. You really dislike Stephen Tyler the lesbian
aunt man. Well, you don'tlike Olivia Rodrigo, and but you do,
yes, you have with their songson it. So Valentine's Day playlist
all of breakup music? Bro ofcourse, Well, dang, what do

(36:14):
you go through every year in Valentine'sDay for you to that type of music?
It's a sarcastic joke for my friends. Bro. Okay, Well you
you claim to hate Olivia Rodrigo,Yeah, but you don't you listen to
her music? Well, you wouldn'tbe able to stand it? Like I
can't stand walk this Way. Ican't even like to do it, like
I can't even We already even suggestthat we cover walk this Way, Ben

(36:36):
would just leave. We should coverwalk this Way, no way, no
way? Okay, yeah, textmessage from somebody. You should read it
out and embarrassing publicly. No,it's not something that it's not someone.

(36:57):
I would do that too. Anyway, what else were we going to do?
In the sing. You have aplaylists, don't you. I have
a playlist too. I can readyou some music. Now you're going to
hand it over to us where youdo not get to decide which songs we
know about. All right, welllet me pull it up here. This
is gonna be all metal and yes, waly Lord's Prayer. Yeah, and
if you know, well, itdoesn't seem like he's a big metal head,
but he is. Yeah, heis. I did it from my

(37:20):
mom. He's so nice. Wegot Master of Puppets by Metallica. We
have Enter Sandman by Metallica. Wehave Battery by Like the First like thing
songs should not be by Metallica,Welcome Home by Metallica, Disposable Heroes.
I add songs and sets, solike it'll go in like chunks of like
different artists. So like you mightwant to just pick random song. Immigrants
song by led Zeppelin? Good picksuch a good song? Are you into

(37:44):
led Zeppelin? At least name asong by him? Immigrant song? Never
heard it? You've done? Iknow you've seen for Ragnarok. That's the
song that plays at the beginning.No no, no, no no no.
Welcome to the Land of the Iceand now that's okay. Yeah,

(38:07):
it's sorry. We have only bya c DA. We have nobody can
do a good inspiration of his singing. We have eruption here as well.
We have It's so good. Wehave Crazy Train, I have the Tiger.

(38:27):
Oh Rocky, we have Hail LoveRocky, your Rocky fan, Isaac
Rocky Fane. What do you mean? No, you have you seen the
Rocky movies? I don't think whatyou got to watch this. I was
told that somebody thought that they werelike the Fast and Furious franchise, that
they just like throw them out there. Yeah, Rocky is like the Fast
and like they just like just likethrow it doesn't matter. But they that

(38:51):
you that they're just like cheaply produce, just thrown out there every single ye.
Yes, oh they're so good.All right, we got so good
Pantera, good one, Welcome tothe Jungle as well as Sweet Chi.
I don't like Welcome to the Job. You don't like No, Nope,
cringe. It's in too much stuff. Okay, okay, it is.
It is very over opinion. Andthat's really the only other thing I'm seeing

(39:15):
on here that's that's worth reading,worth reading, I guess more recent stuff
is more obscure. What would yourate his plus? I would give it
probably a six out of ten,six out of one point less than I'll
give my six point five. Wellthat's higher than he gave Isaac. So
obviously you only like Metallica. Sookay, the first ten songs are the

(39:37):
Metallica and everything else is not.You didn't even mention Blind Guardian Ashes to
Ashes by Blind Guardian. That's sucha good song. You'll hear it.
Obscure band sounds like your place iskind of kind of lame. Yeah,
you're just You're just not You're justnot to my tastes. I guess yeah,

(39:58):
I thought you're gonna say cultured.I'm very cultured, but I don't
want to say around, but definitelyvery cultured. We just we grew up
in different cultures because my mom,with my mom, I practically grew up
in the eighties. And then,you know, eventually I realized, no,
this is not the eighties. Thisis the two thousands, two thousands

(40:19):
music, two thousands, wrap thedk rap here we go. All right,
all right, we'll be back withthe third segment of the podcast.
How long were we recording? Thatwas a good ten minutes. That's okay,
I thought we got to get we'rethinking about what are we going to
talk about with ben is being real? Oh? Yeah, well do we

(40:40):
have Do you have to do asegment break for that? No, we
can do all right? Eighty sheisn't really neither's depression. You have therapy
works? Oh you whoa seconds?Where are we going in thirty seconds?
Sound effected every time you every timeyou say something, no, make it.

(41:02):
I can't create it. I knowexactly. She isn't real fake.
Explain why I explain? Explain yourself. It's it's just like people like,
oh, I can't focus, okay, nobody can focus. If you're doing
something lame, you can't focus.You see if you have if you're saying

(41:23):
that you have ADHD, but youbut you clar just don't want to pay
attention. You have you have timeto not pay attention. You do some
push ups? No pushup. Youdon't have time to not pay attention.
You don't have time to have mentalillness. Real. I don't know what
an HD is, but you don'thave eighty of them? Yeah, exactly.
Know a lot of times people theyjust say that they have mental illness

(41:46):
oh I can't pay attention. Andof course the freaking government and everybody else
wants you to be like, yeah, you have this. Here takes some
medicine to help you with that.Then big farmer gets more money. Now
I don't argue you canceled again,but yeah, instead of saying big pharma,
say pig barmaii bara. Right,do you have ad is? No,

(42:08):
I don't think yeah, no,you don't. I mean the thing
is, if you go on anywebsite and you look at the symptoms of
ADHD, by the end of thetime you're on the website, you're like,
oh, I do have Oh,of course my homework one day,
Yeah, oh I didn't. YeahI didn't want to do homework. ADHD.
I must have a medical I think. I think it's just lack of
diligence and people are blaming it onsomething they can't control. Because you get

(42:30):
that a lot nowadays. People willlike, well, they'll take a negative
trade about them, about themselves,and they'll be like, oh, I
can't change it because medical. Itcould also be that it does exist,
but not for the same like,not for a huge amount of people,
right, Like I do know somekids who have been diagnosed with ADHD D
who do seem legitimately off the deepend. But I also know a lot

(42:50):
of kids who have been diagnosed withADHD who are totally normal. It's like,
what the heck I was diagnosed withthe form of autism. You haven't
known me long enough to see ifit's true. And I but it's not
true. They just diagnosed me becauseI was just because you asked them to.
Yeah, dude, they just wanta medical I didn't want it,
though, So I'm still here andI'm still autism depressed. Clinical depression isn't

(43:15):
real either. Do you agree withthat clinical depression, like the type where
you get diagnosed for it. Ican't be All I'm saying is that I
can't be depressed. You can feeldepressed, you can feel like, oh,
you can feel kind of down,but you you can't have a constant
especially us, like guys like uswho are like, oh, I'm so
depressed. Oh my life is awful, not real. Yeah you're depressed.

(43:39):
No, we're not, and youcan't. I can't be depressed. You
can't because like it's like if youhave ear in a haunted house and you
put a guy who doesn't believe inghosts in it, and a guy who
does doesn't knock at the door inthe middle of the night. The guy
who doesn't believe it ghost to goI don't know what that is. I'm
going back to bed, goes backto sleep. Or the guys like,
oh my gosh, there's ghosts andthey can't sleep for the rest of that
and they're up, they're like terrified. So if I don't believe in ghosts,

(44:00):
I don't believe in depression, andI can't get it. I don't
really I don't generally think that depressionis nearly is like actually going on as
people say it is. I thinkthat maybe, you know, if you
diagnose yourself with depression, if you'relike, I'm depressed, and then you
live like you were clinically diagnosed bysome doctor somewhere. If you live like
that, no, you're not depressed, even if you are clinically depressed.

(44:21):
Can I let me ask you something. I want you to tell me what
mental illness? Illness? This isokay? All right? So there's a
man right all right, and heis uh one minute, he's screaming,
he's so happy, he's high fivingeveryone around him. He's such a happy
guy. Then the next minute he'son the ground crying. Sounds like bipolar

(44:44):
disorder to me, Well, holdon. Then the next minute, Oh,
he's up, he's standing and he'sjumping all around, he's giving high
fives, he's screaming, he's likeso happy. Then the next minute he's
crying. What does that sound like? This sounds like bipolar? Do you
I think so? No, he'sat he's at a bills game, So
you can't. It's just totally situation. That's true. I feel like if

(45:05):
you judge a situation like that,like in a vacuum, of course that's
gonna sound like a disorder of somesort. But like true, you're removing
the context. M right. It'sthe same thing with depression. If you're
back, Oh I'm depressed, i'mfat, I can't get a girlfriend.
Well, maybe you can't get agirlfriend because you're fat, and maybe you're
depressed because you don't have a girlfriend. So maybe if you fix those things
that you can control in your life, maybe you wouldn't be depressed. So

(45:27):
it's totally situational. Do you disagree? Again, it goes back to what
I said earlier. I think peopleuse depression as a crutch to not improve
themselves because they're just lazy all thetime. Yeah, that happens. Well,
obviously, Like depression is real inthe sense you can feel sad,
Like obviously, it's it's not badto feel sad because like Jesus, like
he cried when Lazarus died even thoughhe knew he's gonna be five of them,

(45:49):
like right, two minutes later.So there's a time and a place
for like sadness. That's like,what are we defining as depression like his
depression? Like clinical you wake upevery morning you don't get out of bad
No, yeah, well no,I'm defining it as like, you know,
feeling of remorse, for that's justremorse or sadness, it's not you're

(46:09):
not depression. I think. Ithink depression, like the meaning of that
has changed too, because I thinkit used to mean like just a more
extreme version of sadness. Right,you're just sadder than sad. I think
that largely depression is not real,but I think that there may be a
very small segment of the population whosebrains just do not work correctly and have

(46:30):
a harder time of being happy.Right, But I don't think that everybody
who doesn't want to wake up inthe morning exactly, I don't want to
wake dude, Like lots of peopleget sam for work. I don't want
to. Everybody doesn't want to getup in the morning. Like you're in
your comfortable, warm bed. Youdon't want to like uncover your covers and
like get out into the cold air. Like nobody wants to do that,
but you have to because otherwise you'renot going to get anyone in life,

(46:52):
right. So it's not to thescale that like you ask so like that
every third person you ask in thestreet, are you depressed it? Yeah?
I have to depression. Yeah,it's like you got you go on
a YouTube comments section is like asa person who suffered depression, I oh,
and then they'll then if I saythat, they'll be like, oh,
no, depression is then why areyou defending depression? Do you want?
Do you want depression? Like whyyou're like why why are people so

(47:15):
proud proud about it? Like theyparaded it out as it's some sort of
bad Why wouldn't you be like,oh wait, you don't think i'd tell
me how depression isn't real? LikeI have depression, Like, tell me
how it's not real so I canget away from this. But no,
I think they all like being like, oh I have depression, Oh I
have ADHDH. I feel like youhave like a genuine illness, Like I
don't think you'd be proud of that. I think you try to hide it

(47:36):
from people, like honestly because itcan be embarrassing sometimes. Right, Yeah,
so that's my hot take. What'syour hottest take? Well, you
said therapy works. Oh right,yes, I'd say therapy doesn't usually.
What do you mean do you thinkif you're if you're dealing with something that's
talking to somebody doesn't help. Uh, it depends, It depends. I

(47:58):
would say that if you talk toa lot of people, like you know,
most if you're talking to someone whohas a degree in you know,
psychoanalysis. I don't know something psychologypsycho I think it's just psychology. Yeah,
where you you know, if yougo to someone and you pay them
to hear you talk, that's useless. Well, because a lot of times,

(48:22):
I know, I know people inmy own life who have gone to
therapy and it's like help them somuch because they talk based Oh yeah,
dude, there's biblical counseling. There'sbiblical therapy all the type, and I
know people who aren't Christians that goto therapy, and so much not with
with biblical therapy. It's it's withwhat most people would conceive of a therapy,

(48:45):
like the better help ads you geton YouTube. Yeah, there's no
way that works. Well I know, well, I know it does because
I know people personally who aren't Christiansgo to normal therapy and they just talk
like say, hey, this ishow I'm feeling. It's like awful,
you know, when you're venting itlike feels better to get stuff even off
your chest. But how long isit going to take that person to go

(49:07):
back to feeling bad? Right?Yeah? Right? I mean that,
well, that's a problem they needto sort out for themselves. And when
they start feeling bad again, thetherapists will be right there ready to take
their money. And that's the problemI have with therapy. I mean it's
a job. Like what about restaurant. You don't like restaurants because once you're
not hungry anymore, they'll be rightthere ready to take your money again.

(49:28):
I mean, if they're giving youa service that's helping you, even if
it's for a little bit of time. If you can get out of there
being Wow, this is great.I feel so much better when week I'm
depressed. Why don't you think thatif we actually, if therapy actually worked,
because a lot of people are intherapy right now, the depression rates
in this nation are skyrocketing. Don'tyou think that if therapy worked, people
would be happier now than they wouldhave been back in the nineteen hundreds when

(49:50):
we didn't have all this therapy talkgoing. You think people are happier back
in the nineteen hundreds, I mean, I'm living like I think generally,
yeah, in the you mean,like the world wars like well, suicide
rates have gone up, right mh. I mean maybe maybe typically the
nineteen hundreds weren't happier per se,but they actually knew what they were doing
with their lives and they didn't feellike they needed to kill themselves. And

(50:13):
wouldn't you think that now that wouldchange if therapy actually really worked, Like
you know, wouldn't you think thateverybody would be super happy if already in
the nineteen hundreds everybody didn't feel likethey needed to commit suicide. I mean,
and now they have therapy to helpthem work through all the little issues
that they might be dealing with,and now the opposite had happened. They
don't feel like they don't need tocommit suicide and they're happier. They feel
like they need to commit suicide andthey're depressed. M you get what I'm

(50:36):
saying here, Like I do not. I mean, maybe you know,
therapy is a nice idea, butI just don't see it working in real
life. I think I think it'sjust too broad of a topic to like,
yeah, to generalize, because likethere's definitely so a lot of people
that have having killed themselves because oftherapy. Yeah, big majority of that.
There's tons of reasons, like foryou and your personal life to go
to therapy, or they'd just belike, no, I'm not going to

(50:58):
therapy to some people, supid,I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay somebody
three a week to go talk tome. Like maybe they just don't believe,
but like don't believe that it likewould do anything. But maybe you
know it would if they won't.But a lot of the suicide rights are
among men right now, specifically,I mean, if we're defining therapyists talking
things over with a friend. Well, sure, then that kind of therapy,
or we're talking things over with somebodywho's like that can sego analyze you.

(51:21):
Yeah, but what we're talking about, if we're talking about professional therapy,
you're you're automists and want to talkto you. But my problem is
you're automatically assuming that they're like greedyjust because you're paying them. Maybe they
honestly want to help people. Iwant sure there are tons of bad therapists
out there who just like want toget you know, the money from the
people and not actually help But I'mthere are good therapists out there too.
Well. The reality is that whetherthey actually want to help you or not,

(51:44):
in the human brain, in yourbrain, you're still thinking, okay,
well, whether they actually care aboutme or not, I am paying
them to talk to me. IfI stopped paying them, I would stop
talking to them, right. Themoney is the reason why they're talking to
me, even if they do wantto help me. Okay. So what
that tells me is that therapy wouldn'twork for you, like you as an
individual, because like I don't thinka lot of people would be thinking that.

(52:07):
Well here's the Oh, they're onlyhelping me, because they're point at
this point, therapy is just anotherproduct for our consumerists outlooked on life.
Right, you feel bad, yougo and you go to the therapist,
and you say, hey, I'dlike to buy some anti depression pills or
whatever. That's psychology, right,something like that. But therapy has become

(52:27):
a product where you just go andyou're like, hey, i'd like to
order someone to talk to me.I can feel better, okay, But
then you do you hate McDonald's.That's like another thing is if you're just
saying McDonald's, okay, do youhate all restaurants and stuff because it would
temporarily make you full or even happy. I love McDonald's. I'll go there
and get a double cheeseburger, likedude, Like it makes me happy for
a little bit of time, andI'm paying them, so like maybe you

(52:49):
don't like going out and getting stuffto eat, Like, no, they
don't actually care about feeding me.Once I just spend all my money,
then they don't want to give meany food anymore. But if I have
my money, they'll give me food. It's it's just like it's just a
consumer product, but you can't saythat it does work for people who don't
want to pay for Will you settlefor something that is less than the best
when you could get the best?Right, what's the best? The best

(53:09):
in your mind in terms of foodis going out, then why would you
settle for eating at home? Now? If the best in my mind for
how to feel better and how tohave true peace with yourself is to go
to God, then why would Isettle for going to some kind of therapy?
You're trying to tell you that's you, No, that's you. If
you don't know, you can't sayit's everybody, because you just said if
you think that you believe that somepeople would be happy or going to therapy

(53:31):
believing in God? What I'm talkingabout bringing God God into this, Yeah,
I think that's a bit of anyet, because we're talking right now.
We're not talking about biblical stuff rightnow, we're talking about we're all
wait wait wait wait wait wait waitwait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,
let me let me speak here,guys, let me talk. Okay,

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So, like you're you're making abit of an unfair comparison because like
all three of us believe in God. We're all strong Christians. Like,
Yeah, but like we all likestill like go through stuff that, like
you know, just because we believein God, We're not gonna get through
so easily. We all go throughtrials and like sometimes we just need like
an older person in our life,like maybe a parent or just somebody we
look up to to ask for forhelp. And like God, like you

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know, if the Holy Spirit isin them, he'll drive them to like
help you. And like even likesometimes God will use like even non Christians
to help you in your life.Like God works in mysterious ways. So
I'm just I just think for youpersonally, I can definitely tell therapy when
it worked for you. But forsome people, they just need somebody who
like has no knowledge of their lifeother than what the the person talking to

(54:38):
them is telling them. They theyjust need like an objective, unbiased stance
outside of like their social circle,just to tell them their friends, because
you might not have good friends.You could talk to my friend. Your
friends might be like, oh yeah, dude, just go do drugs.
Like sometimes you can have bad friendsor sometimes you just might want to like

(54:58):
talk to somebody about something, yetyou don't necessarily want them to know because
you might be too embarrassed right,and therapy. When we're talking about therapy,
we're talking about if we're not Christiansand they're not Christians, going paying
money to somebody to talk to themabout your feelings and try to get some
closure with your own mind and makeyourself feel better. I think even with

(55:19):
Christians, if we're taking Christianity outof it, then you just admitted that
therapy is pointless. No, ifwe're taking Christianity out of therapy, then
it's just another false philosophy. Butit's not a philosophy. A lot of
times you'd like therapy isn't a thinglike you go and you talk to them,
say, you say, what wasa therapist? Hey? Will?
How are you doing? How youdoing? Ben? Uh? Not too

(55:42):
good? Uh happened? Oh no, I just have a lot of trauma
from when I was younger. I'mafraid of spoons. You're afraid of spoons?
Why is that? I don't know. Maybe because my dad hit me
sometimes with spoons. Oh okay,why do you think I'm afraid of spoons?
Well, it seems like there mightbe some undergoing trauma to go to
a therapist to have them tell youyeah, yeah, sometimes I'm too.

(56:02):
Students like you might you might haveassociated spoons with a bad event in your
life, and it seems like that'saffecting you even though you're an adult and
you know I'm here to help youthrough that. I'm here to help you.
I'm here to take on that soyou can actually eat soup and cereal.
I gain, man, maybe you'reright. Maybe I should go find
some closure with my dad and thenI'll maybe not be afraid of spoons.
Find closure, and then I'm happyI walk out. I'm like, oh

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wow, oh that's why I go, and not understand. I go and
not understanding why I'm afraid of spoonsand I can't really rationalize. Then he's
like, oh, this is helpsme walk through it. That's unbiblical therapy
And it's not like a thing.It's just like just talking to somebody can
help you all lot like sometimes youjust need another person, and a lot
of timesiate people because I'm not goingto go to him if I have an

(56:45):
issue. I would of course agree, you need someone someone else to tell
you what's wrong with you sometimes,right, yes, And that's what therapy
is. Therapy is not that therapycan be well. Therapy can be that
it depends on the person because likefor me, like I don't think I
need therapy, Like if I havea problem, I'll usually go to one
of my parents because there they alwayshave they seem to have the right for

(57:06):
me or for us Christians, there'sbiblical therapy or yeah, we could just
go to God. But sometimes peoplewith biblical correctly, I like biblical counseling,
I like all that stuff. Andsometimes even with Christians, you can't
be like if they even they goto the normal therapist. Sometimes like what
they don't know how to read theBible, they don't know how to have
good closure with God, even thoughthey may be a Christian. That then

(57:28):
they could go to either therapy orbiblical therapy. Well, it's a therapy
in general, but all of therapysecular therapy in general. I agree,
there's parts of it. There's partsof everything that doesn't work. Well.
There's medical, there's psychology that justwants to medicate you. Then there's parts
that want toy. Okay, ifwe're going to take biblical therapy out of

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this, we can indeed stereotypes seculartherapy, because all secular therapy is secular
therapy. It is secular therapy.It does not, at the end of
the day, lead to the Bible, it does not lead to God,
and it does not lead to anyultimate eternal change in your life. I
mean that is true, but youcan still use that as a stepping stone
for parts of your life to helpyou with specific things, because like,

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what's a point, Well, justbecause the worst second point, I don't
know what would be the point ofdoing that. Well, it depends on
the person. Like I can't speakfor everybody, I can only speak for
myself. But I'm just I'm like, like, like, I know,
you settle for something less than thebest because sometimes you don't have the best.
So you're saying that there aren't churcheswilling to help people out. I

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will say, yes, there's nota not a let people know about that
either. Nobody knows like you,churches will offer biblical counseling, like secular
people don't know that. I'm justsaying for people in general, the majority
of people, it can't because Iknow non Christians in my life that have
like turned away from God. Theygo to therapy to find closure and they

(58:55):
have closure and they're like happier becauseof therapy and therapy wouldn't be as big
as it was if it didn't workfor secular people. I agree that if
they had Jesus, they wouldn't needthe therapy. Yeah, they wouldn't need
that. What's interesting, and thisis not an attack on you, but
I just I find it interesting thatyou think that like depression and ADHD are
these manufactured ideas, and then youthink that therapy, which is pushed by

(59:19):
a whole bunch of major corporations andcelebrities like you, trust that to be
effected. I don't trust psychology,which tells you take some medicine. I
trust when I'm on talking to peoplewhen you don't have anybody else to talk
to, like the thing I justdid with Will. If I didn't have
anybody else around me, I'm juststruggling every single day and I don't have
God. I don't have anybody tellingand putting God in my life. I'm
dealing with all this stuff that Ithink is I think I have ADHD,

(59:43):
I think I have depression. ThenI go to somebody, a therapist.
There are therapists that are like,we'll tell you, no, depression isn't
real. You can make your lifebetter by doing this, this is they're
not all gonna be like to putall them in a basket and say all
of them are gonna be like,oh u neied medicine. Oh yeah,
then makes sense you should want yourmoney. That's the only reason I'm talking.
You can't put all of them inthe same basket like and say therapy

(01:00:06):
doesn't work, right, you know, you know what I'm saying. I
mean, I feel like you can, but I would, But I don't
think it's like a good argument tomake. I think it's a dishonest argument
to make because like it's an overgeneralization. You can't over generalize anything.
And it's like that would if Iwasn't safing talking to somebody like him,
he would he that would help alot, That would help me a lot.

(01:00:29):
I never said talking to people doesnot help. But talking But but
if he was a therapist, ifhe if he was a therapist, if
he was a therapist, because hecould be therapists. My brother wants to
be a therapist, like want wantsto do like psychology, Bill psychology.
But it's like there are people thatare like willing to talk, that that

(01:00:51):
are just there to talk to you. And there's some Honestly, some therapists
that will just you. You canchoose for them to like listen, just
listen to me talk and people people. That helps people. That helps people,
little bit I talk about myself forthirty minutes. Okay, But that
helps people. That makes people happier. No, it doesn't. It brings
temporary happiness. Yes, what's thepoint of temporary happiness. It's like saying,

(01:01:13):
why would you eat a cheeseburger fromMcDonald's. Those are so bad for
you and the really bad for youin the long run, but you're gonna
eat it because it makes you happy. Why would you settle for a McDonald's
cheese because they don't have a cheeseburgerfrom a better chain. They don't.
They don't have access to better chains. There's nobody in their life telling them
about a better change. There's nocars for them to drive to the better
chains. All they have is thesmall chain that they have right now.

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That's all they have, right andlike the McDonald's burger, therapy will leave
them feeling worse than they went in. That's something you're onto something there that's
maybe it's because of the McDonald's sayingbut yes, but that would happen with
anything secular I'm saying. I'm sayingI don't think secular therapy really works.
All I'm saying is that it canwork for some people the same way some

(01:02:00):
people Danny can eat ten cheese,my brother, Danny, you tench and
not feel like garbage after that.Amazing. Yeah, that's impressive. I'm
gonna need some therapy. No loveDanny, but it's like it can work
for some people, and sometimes theironly option is secular therapy just talking to
somebody, and a lot of timesdepression, Like dude, therapy is expensive.

(01:02:22):
So like a lot of people likedon't have therapy even though it's like
more mainstain now whatever, the betterhelp adds. All I'm saying is that
it can help people. That's allI'm saying. All Right, make your
final statement and I'll make mine,and we'll agree to disagree. I disagree
with agree to disagree. I thinkwe're just disagreeing, you guys. We
can't agree to disagree. I think, yeah, I don't think this argument

(01:02:44):
is gonna go anywhere. I don'tthink you guys are going to convince each
other. All I'm gonna say isthis therapy, secular therapy can work.
Biblical theory be can work, butsometimes there's bad biblical counselors that will tell
you bad things. Not everybody's perfect. We live in a very broken right.
We live in a very broken world. And my final point is that
secular therapy is at the end ofthe day worthless because it is after all

(01:03:07):
secular, and therefore I will notendorse something that is, at the end
of the day worthless. Anyway,we're at to the our our long mark
here, so should we get tocovering our songs? Will? Yeah?
We should. That was fun.It was a good podcast. End on
debate. I like that. Ilike that. Well, that's what the

(01:03:29):
people want to hear. You makesome good points. Let us know in
the comments below who you agree with. Yeah, you think secular therapy works.
Yeah, if you agree with me, say, if you agree with
Isaac, then just don't bother leaveme a comment. But yeah, yeah,
if you agree with me, shutup because you're dumb, just like
I am. Not listen listen.No, I'm very happy to be on
the podcast. Yeah, I'm happyto have you on you on all right.

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