Ep. 21: Why Women Shouldn't Vote (Just Kidding, We Said That for Shock Value)

In this episode of the W Ritz podcast, Mia Schmitz joins the boys to discuss why women shouldn't vote, why modern worship music is kinda gross, and how Dante's Inferno is the best book ever written.

Episode Transcript

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Hatty Cowboys and welcome to the WowWild West at the w RITZ Podcast.
I'm here as always with Cowboy Will. I'm gonna be honest. That was
the last That was the last placeI expected you to go with that.
That was the last thing you expecting. I was expecting something crazy, but
that was the one thing I wasnot. And I'm just in That's exactly

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why I can't even play along withyour bit because I just don't know.
I don't know how to process that. Yeah. Anyway, Hey, hey
guys, welcome back to the wROOTS Podcast. I know we said last
week's episode was going to be ourlast one, but and if you believed
us, well you're stupid. Wellwe lied. See that was a little
that was a little Hey Isaac,y'all aren't stupid. If you listen to

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us, you have at least aone IQ exactly. It's it's a fact.
That is a fact. Anyway.But yeah, that was just a
little lesson on don't trust everything youhear on the internet. Right because somebody
says something doesn't mean you have tobelieve it. Amen. Anyway, today
we have a very very special guest, probably want of our most special of
guests, we've ever had on thew Arts podcast. Returning from last week,

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one of our one of our fivecallers to come in and you know,
give their opinions on Christmas music isMia Schmidtz, the Woman or the
Arizona Woman herself. Say hey toour listeners, Hello, listeners, how
are you doing doing great? Well? Well, I hope that's my fancy

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intro. What's that? That's myfancy intro? Okay, cool. It
wasn't as energetic as mine, butit was pretty okay. I guess culturally
appropriating the South of that one.No, no, no, I was
just being a cowboy. Okay,you mean the West? Yeah, yeah,
well you were trying to the southfair enough anyway. Uh so,

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well, we this is one ofthose scenarios where like our guest wanted to
come on and get canceled, youknow, like that's kind of how it
was. Yeah, it is.They wanted to say some really controversial things,
and you know, we welcome thathere on the W's podcast totally.
You know, we don't care.We simply do not care what the Internet
thinks, so we will say whateverwhatever crap we want, so okay,

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okay, But to clarify, it'snot actually me just saying weird stuff.
I do actually have a basis forbelieving I've heard a lot about it's just
weird. It's really really good.It's not just weird crap either. It's
totally based uh based trad con Sigmasigma, yeah, conservative sigma beta alpha

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omega stuff. Yeah, all that. Anyway, let's let's quit a dilly
dallying, as they say, asthey as those in the business say amen,
and let's get right into it.So, Mia, one of the
most interesting things, interesting things Ithink of every scene is your senior thesis
presentation, because it was it wasabout something very very specific, but very

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very timely. I would say,why don't you share with the listeners what
that was. Well, I wrotemy senior thesis in Veritas, and it
was like the capstone course. I'mtrying to find my actual paper. I
wasn't very prepared. Don't worry,We'll see women's hair styles and historic gender

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theory and how they went together.So I studied the time periods from the
Roman and Jewish era before and afterChrist like just a little bit before and
after. I had to really kindof narrow down and summarize a lot of
periods of history. So I dida few centuries in Jewish and Roman history,

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and then I went from there throughEuropean history up to the French Revolution
and the American Revolution, and thenI went over to America and I studied
the women's rights movement up through modernday okay, and how the idea of

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gender changed the hairstyles that happened inwomen's hair trends throughout those periods. Yeah.
Interesting, And obviously there's something somethingthat we got to establish right off
the bat, is like there issomething to hairstyles. I don't think that
very much. I think it's Idon't think that there's a morally right or
wrong hairstyle at all. I'm simplysaying, like you look at the cultures

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over in the Middle East, andall the women have to wear what is
it, hit hit jobs. Yeah, And obviously that's taking it to the
far extreme where you're just being obnoxiousabout you know, women's hair, and
I would not endure only their husbandsget to see any any part of their
body, right, right, that'sjust crazy. But and then you know

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you have it in the West wherenow, like you know, you you
can walk down the street and you'llfind ten different women with ten entirely different
hairstyles. There's just so much rioting, you know. I mean before we
started the podcast, I was justtalking about how you know, if you
go to any Bobo shop, andat least where we live, it'll be
filled with women of all sorts ofwalks of life. So you'll have women

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with long hair, women with shortdyed hair, women with like half shaved
you know that whole thing where theyhave like a half shaved hair. Yeah,
yeah, the stack mohawk, mohack. But the mohack I like moack
for that hairstyle though, mohack.You know we should call it that the
moa hack because you're a hack becauseyou didn't finish the mohawk. Yeah.

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Well, and if you hacked offall the hair on one side of your
head, there you go, truemohack. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah,
you see a lot of different typesof hairstyles here. So so what did
you discover from you know, lookingthroughout history and how hairstyles and and you
know, culture. Would you sayit's cultures in general, you know,
culture in general's view on women's hair, or would you say it depends more
on the individual woman, Like whathairstyles mean, you know, because okay,

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sorry, go ahead, I'm justthinking, like, you know,
different hairstyles mean different things to differentpeople. Like I have friends who styled
their hair in a way that Idon't like, but they really like it.
It means something to them, youknow, they think they look good.
And at the same time, Ihave friends who style their hair like,
I really like the way they styletheir hair, and I think it
looks good. But like, doesculture dictate what hair means to everyone around

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you? Or do you? Iguess is what I'm getting at. So
it's not like cut and dried inthat sense. What I discovered is that
the modern view of gender theory inthe culture at the time does affect how
women wear their hair and what thatmeans about them. There's nothing inherently sinful

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about having short hair. God didn'tsay that in the New test In the
Old Testament, there were laws forwomen's hair, and there were laws for
men's hair, and going against thatwas sinful because he was God. But
when the New Testament was redeemed,when the Old Testament was redeemed, and
the New Testament became what we areborn into and what we are part of,

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that wasn't part of it anymore,and so we now have a unique
freedom in how women wear their hair. And part of what I saw was
that all the history leading up totoday has made this background of women with

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long hair are traditionally more conservative now. And if they especially if they haven't
dieted at all, if they havelong hair that hasn't been dyed, that
is typically and I say typically,very carefulations. There are definitely going to
be out there. Oh yeah,so many exceptions, but typically it's going

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to be an indicator of more conservativeleanings well in traditional women's roles in the
family. About super thank you,But if you have super short and dyed
hair, if you dieed a tonof times, if you have this super

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short bob hairstyle on a girl,then that typically indicates that you, uh
are leaning more to the feministic sideand you're like a women's power and you
don't believe in their traditional role inthe family. Yeah, well I was
I was just gonna say. Ijoke about this with my friends all the
time. It's quite easy to tellwhen someone is non binary. They have

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the same hairstyle. Usually it's dyed, sometimes not. They all have the
same glasses. But yeah, it'salways like the weird, the weird,
like big glasses, have like aweird short hairstyle and the septum pairs thing.
Yeah yeah that too. Yeah,sometimes not just not just a piercing
of some sort and ugly piercing,right, Yeah, And I'm flattering piercing

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like I have piercings, like Ihave a nose ring and double pierced ears.
But it's been very intentional to whereit's like, I am not non
binary, and nobody would think thatjust by looking at you. Yeah,
and my hair is also three feetlong, and so if anybody saw it
down, they'd be like, oh, either she's a fanatic or she's very
conservative. Oh yeah, and Iread I read this one book. It's

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called The bon Option. I wouldrecommend anybody to read it. It is
incredible, especially young men. Yeah, it's really really good. But he
said that we don't want to becomepart of the culture of purple haired,
septum pierced trolls. And it's true. It's a pretty accurate a scription.

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Oh yeah. Unfortunately, one ofmy siblings has decided to take on that
lifestyle and it's a little painfully uhtrue. Okay, yeah, yeah,
I mean originally what started my seniorthesis research too. It was like what's

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Yeah, I was like comparing meand that person close to me, and
I was like, well, what'sthe difference between what we believe about feminism?
And why does our hair coincide withthat? Like, and she has
very short, dyed hair, shedoes it all kinds of colors and stuff.
And I was like, well,why do we believe such different things
about our hair and why is thatconsistent with what we believe about women in

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general? So that's actually what startedin Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, I
mean I feel like it's one ofthose topics that you you think about,
but you don't actually think about,right, Like when I see you know,
I'm not generally one to guess atpeople's politics because I don't I don't
care. Yeah, but when Isee a woman, you know, and
this I'm not speaking out against anybodywho does, you know, cut their

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hair really short or diet or whatever. Yeah. I know a lot of
really really good Christian conservative women whoare very traditional, great people who just
you know, have have different hairstylesand that's totally fine, and it looks
good on a lot of them.But when I'm out in public, it's
just it's easy to see when somebody'syou know, it's easy to guess at
how someone feels about themselves as awoman. To colledge of book fights cover,

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one might say, yeah, itis, and maybe that's not a
good thing. Maybe it is.I don't know, and I'm I'm not
the opinion that profiling isn't very helpfulin a lot of cases. But if
you are just having a passing conversationwith an acquaintance, like I work in
the food industry and I work onthe Polar Express and so it's like I'm

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dealing with people all the time.Yeah, and using those little indicators are
really good to know what to say, what not to say, right right,
I'm not gonna call this person ma'am. I just I don't. I
just don't know that might cause anissue or too, right, Yeah,
just a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah, that's all. That's all

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very interesting. So what would yousay was like sort of the catalyst for
this change in culture where there wassort of a division between you know,
the stereotypical conservative woman and liberal woman. Well, honestly, it was very
fluid, even just from the Romanera to now, the progression of gender

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theory has been really smooth. Actuallyyeah, and it's had a lot of
changes. But questioning what sexuality actuallyis has been a theme throughout and the
Romans got it wrong. Everybody gotit wrong. That's basically the catalyst.
But I think the trans move wasespecially helpful or I mean helpful to causing

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this discrepancy, helpful, helpful tothe to the movie. There was exactly
there was this guy named Alfred Kinseywho kind of started the whole thing,
And of course there was some researchbefore him, and of course there were
transvestites in ancient Greece, but itwas never so pronounced as after Alfred Kinsey.

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And I would like to add thatif you actually do the research into
trans history, people say that AlfredKinsey was a hero. He was a
pervert. Yeah, he actually didawful things to children, awful things to
humans, and his experience, hisexperiments were entirely perverted, and it is

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never started in a good place.Every time you look at one of those
scientists or or whoever may be psychologistsgenerally who you see on like the top
ten LGBTQ activists lists, yeah youcan bet they're a pedophile. Yeah,
if you just look into the backgrounda bit. John Money also contributed very

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heavily to the trans movement, yep, and it was he's also a pedophile.
Yeah, and they were all entirelysimple, so there was there's actually
nothing good that could have come outof that, Yeah, Like, why
are you going to take the wordof somebody who abuses children in that way?
Yeah, exactly. And people todayjust turn a blind eye to how

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awful these people were. Well,and then and then you'll have a normal,
normal person who's done no harm intheir life, and they'll dig up
something in their past, like theysaid a racial slur as a joke fifteen
years ago and then ruined that entireperson's life. And then you have actual
genuine pedophiles who are hailed as heroes. Yeah. Well, interestingly enough,

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I just I just heard about thisthis week. I heard that porn Hub
has this is this is like aleaked video of their executives. I'm glad.
Yes, yes, they were alltalking about how they'll sneak trans or
LGBTQ content, even into their straightporn, in the hopes that kids will

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get hooked on it and then becometrans themselves. Right. I think that's
what the idea wasn't Everyone on theleft was going crazy, right, everyone
on the left was going crazy sayingthat conservatives are you know, just blowing
out of proportion. No, wehave video of porn hub executives admitting that
they know that children watch their content, first of all, and also that
they're trying to make our children transYou can't claim that's out of context.

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In what context is that to do? Yeah? Not no, exactly,
And he was like, his exactquote was something like, we always want
to push the limits of what thesepeople are willing to watch. They're trying
to make it more and more degenerate, so we become more and more screwed

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because like watching watching porn messes withyour brain chemistry and like awful ways,
well it's sin, yeah, it'shorrible, horrible sin. Yeah. And
if you're trying to push even worsesin on people and get them more hooked
on the sin so that they canbecome the sin, like they make themselves

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believe that this is okay. AndI don't know if you guys have watched
Lady Ballers yet, but they kindof pointed it's actually really good. I
like it it's kind of a oncein a lifetime movie though, like it's
very very it is very very likeit's good. Depending on how culture goes,
it'll probably age pretty poorly, butyou know it, it's good that

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they did it right now. Yeah. Part of the point that they brought
up was that a lot of thesepeople started it out as trying to get
Internet clicks and likes and trying toget famous, but they didn't actually believe
it. And I actually believe that. I believe that they didn't oh yeah,
actually buy into this. I'm completelysure. However he started acting like

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it, they started to believe itand become it, right. And I'm
sure that every trans athlete who's everbeaten a biological woman in some sport knows
that they should be ashamed of themselves, unless I guess maybe there would be
an exception for like a kid whowas transd by their parents at age two.
That's a whole nother story. Butyou know, like the Leah Thomases

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of the world, there's no waythat guy doesn't know that what he's doing
is wrong and that he should beashamed of himself. He just doesn't care
because he makes money. Yeah,exactly, exactly. And there's two verses
that come to mind with that.First one is like, if you look
at nature, then you see thetruth, Like the truth is decried in

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nature so that no one has anexcuse to deny God. And the second
verse that comes to mind is ifyou lead one of these little ones into
sin, you may as well havea millstone tied around your neck. And
that I think of that verse everytime I read the news almost daily,

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it's like, oh, there's anotherheadline, Well, it would be better
if this person had a millstone tiedaround their neck and we're drowned in the
death of the ocean. Yeah,let's pray for that guy. It just
goes to show how, like,seriously, God treats like not just sin
in general, but that's sin inparticular, right, And you know,
I mean I think that the AmericanChurch is I think that we've done,

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you know, a bad job,like focusing on how bad all sin is,
right, like divorce, you know, you kind of get the idea
that, eh, whatever, theAmerican Church doesn't care if you divorce your
wife, that is sin, right, But at the same time, I
think that some sins are way moreconsequential and worse than others, Right,
Like, would I rather lie orwould I rather like steal from somebody?

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Well, I guess I would ratherlie because that's not going to be as
consequential for the other person. Ofcourse, I don't want to lie at
all, But like, it's prettyclear from the Bible that the idea that
you get is that you know ifif you if you're you know if you
do if you speak badly off someone, if you gossip, that's serious,
that's sin. You offended God.You shouldn't do it. You should apologize,

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repent. But then you get thewords of Jesus and it hits you
like a train, Like it wouldbe better for you to drown in the
depths of the ocean than for youto abuse a child. M h.
Yeah. God really cares about childrenand they are very precious to him.
Well, and I think that thatpunishment is great. But all sin is
sinn agets Christ, and Christ actuallydid die for all sin. That's why

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murderers can be safe, and that'swhy people like me who have been raised
in Christian households are just as savedas that. Yeah, right, it's
all sin is said, but somesins God, I I don't want to
claim that, but some sins doseem to be greater than others. Well,
yeah, I think God does.He obviously hates Alison, but there

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are definitely certain scens that he treatsmore, He treats as more of like
vile than others. Right, andyou get this idea in Dante's Inferno,
right, oh yeah, which isjust which is just some guy rambling on
about how he doesn't like the greedymore than just the people who didn't choose
God or whatever. I don't thinkthat, you know, I mean,

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Dante didn't didn't know, he doesn'tknow what's going on in hell. But
I disagree. Oh should we getinto We Probably should? You're you're an
omni class with a mia Isaac.You don't. You don't understand how deep
this rabbit hole goes. I'm aboutto say, I'm about to say a
few prayers here. You better yeah, otherwise I'm going to end up in

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the inferno boy, Oh yeah,mm hmmm, gonna end up like waist
deep in sludge or whatever it was. Oh yeah, no, I send
you to the furthest pit, youwould gosh? Oh yeah, well okay,

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anyways, stay your point. Whatwas it. Yeah, Well,
where were you going with that pointin Dante's Inferno. I'm just saying that
Dante really envisions like the human perspectiveof the different degrees of sin, right
yeah. And I think that Idon't want to say anything that isn't in
scripture here, but I think thatGod has programmed into us a conscience that

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can tell the difference between one badsin and a worse bad sin, right,
you know, like one that ismore offensive and more damaging compared to
one that is less offensive in damaging. At the end of the day,
Oh yeah, you need salvation nomatter how to what degree you've committed sin,

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right right, because no matter whatsin you commit, the Bible says
you stumbled in all areas, soexactly. Yeah, And partly I think
that we'll never know which sins arelike how sins are weighed in the eyes
of God, because that's God's job, that's not ours. We have to
got sin in our own understanding,we not in our own understanding. We

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have to be accountable to God forourselves. We aren't for our judge other
people. Like. We need todeal with our own sins, not where
we are others, right, Yeah, and then Dante. I actually think
that Dante had a lot of reallygood things to say about the nature of

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God, particularly about his nature oflove. That's interesting because one of my
friends said that Dante is quote thebiggest idiot I've ever read, and he
doesn't understand God's love at all andhe needs a lesson in salvation. Which
friend was this? I Thinkgil's mother, Missus Merwin, which I don't know.

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I disagree, she has a lotof good opinions. Sounds like we
need to get Missus Murrain and Miaback on the podcast about Dante's Inferno.
Yes, so what does Dante's Infernoreveal about God's love? Mia? So
when on the uh on the inscriptionof the gates of Hell, it I

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actually forget what it was? Whoall hope, give up all hope enter
here? Isn't it or something?Something I believe? But Dante also says
that hell was created out of God'slove, and it kind of makes you
stop and go like, what Hellwasn't created for love? Like Hell's awful?

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Right? But it was created?Yeah, it was created out of
love for his sheep. It wascreated for the saints. Well, and
that's why we can That's why wecan say that God is love and God
loves everyone because it is you know, he is. Hell is the place

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where where you'll go if you offendGod and refuse to repent, right,
And it's really out of out oflove that he is refusing to just deny
himself and allow you into heaven anyways, because if he did that, then
he would be unfaithful and he wouldbe a liar to and that would be
extremely bad for everybody. Exactly.He wouldn't be God, right, he

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wouldn't be just He's He's delivering thejustice that you know he that's in his
nature exactly. And so like everythingwhen it says God is love, every
other thing can be described in termsof love. Like we were created out
of love. The world keeps goingout of love. And this sounds very

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wishy washy, like a hippie legdude just spreads positive Okay, but I
steered me out it kinda and you'regonna call me a mystic and whatever,
but and I'm fine with that.But I was in physics at the same

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time that I was reading Dante's Infernoin senior year, and oh no,
I was in chemistry junior year readingon me five and and so we were
talking about atoms at the time andthey were like, well, we don't
know what atoms are held together by. They just are. There are these

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electromagnetic fields and they hold together andwe don't know why. And it just
struck me that the word and thelove of God holds everything together. Like
literally, that empty space is Godspeaking the world constantly. So it's his
love that holds everything together. Andit sounds very wishy washy and mystic,

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but that idea that if God atany point was fallible or decided to stop
speaking the world into existence, tostop saying his words so that the world
could continue, that love would bebroken and atoms would die. Like it's

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all because of God's grace. Ilove for beauty and creation and for us
is holding the world together. Well, it's it's it's it's interesting. You're
you're saying the same thing that awhole lot of contemporary Christian music says,
just in a way, deeper way. Every every other song you hear is

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like God's love holds everything together.Well yeah it does, actually, I
mean, I know you're just beingcheesy and trying to make money off of
your music. But you're not wrong. So we could talk about modern worship
too. That's one of my otherstrong Yeah. I got some things about
that one too. Interesting. Ohanyways, back to senior. We were

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talking about how Alfred Kinsey was right. Let's let's go back to Alfred Kinsey.
Wow, I hate that guy.Yeah. So basically, the the
gender issue became very augmented. Andokay, you guys, ready to care
my hottest take, my hottest take. And this is going to require some

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like argument. Stop on me.Trigger warning, trigger warning, everybody warning.
You don't sit down, get yournice cozy blanket, exactly, find
your healing circle, get ready toget ready to tweet about this, get
ready to tweet angrily about this?All right? I do it to us
think that the destruction of the modernfamily began with the women's vote in America.

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In America, please elaborate four people. I have heard that opinion before,
so I know what you're getting at. But yeah, yeah, say,
you know, explain the opposition here. But it's not that women voting
is inherently simple. I actually verymuch enjoy voting, and I think it's
great that we have the vote.But it came about was intentionally poking at

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the modern family in America, andI know it happened a lot in England
too, but I'm mainly focusing onAmerican culture because that's what I know.
American culture sort of affected the restof the world in a lot of ways.
Mm hmmm, because it was likeit was like the biggest superpower at
one point. It still is,it still is. But uh, at

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the time, men were obviously thehead of the household. And yes,
there was a lot of abusive womenin the modern conception at that time of
family. They were like, oh, women can't sing in church, women
can't speak in public, like andI don't agree with those things. But

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the family was structured so that themen would vote for the entire family.
And men were landowners as well.Yeah, and I enjoy that women can
own land. It's not sinful thatwomen can own land. I enjoy that.
But at the time, men werelandowners, and men were ahead of

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the household, so they had asay in what the land was, literally,
and that's why people who weren't landownerscouldn't vote, because they literally didn't
have stake in the situation. Right. The only people who can who could
decide the country's fate were the peoplewho owned and cared for land. Yeah,

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because you didn't get you didn't getto decide what the next president was.
If you lived in your mother's basement, plan plane impact all day weeds,
I don't want you deciding the country'sfate anyway. Well, yeah,
and so women at the time weredoing it because they were like, men

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are oppressing us, and they don'tbelieve that we are smart enough to make
a vote, which obviously is nottrue. Women are smart and they can
do their homework and they can dostuff. At the time, but at
the time, it was kind offlipping the bird to patriarchy and to the

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idea that men had authority in thosecertain areas and women. What was my
next point there was landowners landowners andthen flipping the bird the patriarchy by saying

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we're intelligent enough to vote. Mmhmm. But in reality, if you
vote against your husband, if youand your wife have two different votes,
you negate your vote. You areentirely counterproductive. And that's why I honestly,
for me personally, I'm going tovote the same as my husband because

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that's the most powerful thing you coulddo under the current law. That women
can vote, Like, yeah,and I enjoy voting. Again, I
enjoy voting, but I am goingto vote the same as my husband so
that my vote counts for something.Well, you know what, it's interesting
that you said that, you know, it's good that women can I think

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the point you're getting at is it'sgood that women can vote. Now,
voting is great. We should participatein the rights we have. But you're
just not that happy with how itcame to be right in the nineteen hundreds.
And who's fault was that right?Like, who had the power to
make women able to vote? Like, do you think that the men kind
of fumbled that ball a little bit? Or m honestly, Like, I'm

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not one for hypotheticals, because ifit wasn't that way, then it would
have come out another way, Likewomen who did not like the family structure
would have found a way to takeit apart. But that's just how it
works. Yeah, and so wewould have ended up at this point at

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one way or another. But Ido think that both men and women failed
at that time because women wanted thepower that men had, because they weren't
taking responsibility over the things that actuallydid matter, and yes, there was
abuse in that time. There waslike, oh, women aren't smarter than

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men, like women can't think enoughto vote? Right? There was actual,
yes there was, but not enoughto justify Yeah, so fight that.
Don't be like well I can votedifferently because I can on land now,
and like, for sure, that'sgreat, But the intention behind the

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movement is not like, let's bein a biblical understanding of what womanhood means
in reflection to manhood. It wasa rebellion in a way if you think
about it, because like they were, they were fighting against the way the

(34:19):
culture was set up back then,right, which I mean, I don't
think it's not bad to fight againstculture because we Christians do it all the
time. But you know, it'sit's it's a fair point that that,
you know, maybe the way thatthe focus started more on the the individual
voters instead of the families, youknow, that that will mess with the

(34:40):
family structure a little bit. Idon't think that it's been nearly as destructive
as you know a lot of otherlaws that have been passed. Like I
think that it's you know, Ithink that we can have totally traditional we
can have a totally traditional society,where women do have all the same rights
as men and and can do allthe same thing things men can do.

(35:01):
I think it just needs to be, you know, a cultural change.
Like I think the laws that werekind of sexist, you know, like
not allowing women to vote or havea job or whatever. I don't think
that we should have those, butI do think that, you know,
culturally, we should encourage women tostep into their role as you know,
as the Bible says they should.So it's a necessity. Actually, if

(35:25):
Christian women actually believe the Bible,then they are going to submit their entire
lives to the family structure that Godhas provided for them. And that's actually
my personal mission is to raise agodly family because that's what I believe God
is calling me to do. Andyou have to be uncompromising in your beliefs

(35:49):
if you want to succeed in today'sculture exactly. And I think that the
vote, the women's vote, ofcourse, it is not inherently simple for
women to vote, but it didcatalyst all of the other all of the
other feminism movements, like have youguys heard of like the bra burning of

(36:12):
nineteen eighteen something. It's like theywere no maybe not. I don't.
I don't spend my free time researchingbra burnings. Gotta be honest, Okay,
but no, it's feminism. It'snot broad burning. You should explain,
because yeah, the Suffragette movement wasthey were burning things that contained women

(36:36):
basically, and they were like,no, we can be free and we
could be women. And it wasjust like very flippant and like, oh,
okay, you guys are very feisty, very upsetting. Ye, So
yeah, nuts exactly, they wow, okay, what So they started the

(36:59):
vote and then all of the otherfeminism movements came out of that, and
then kind of the idea of gendertheory and Alfred Kinsey kind of snuck into
that as well. So feminists nowbelieve that you could be whatever you want
with gender because we have taken onmen's roles in society. Now we believe

(37:20):
that men can become women and justbe as empowered as us. Yeah,
that's right, that's interesting. Ourassistant pastor was just talking to us about
that earlier today, just talking aboutso our assistant pastor, he's he came
for he moved here from Korea,so he grew up in Korea, and
he said like the culture there isvery different. Like he said, if
you were to just drive down thestreet and see, you know, construction

(37:42):
workers, it would be you know, big, big strong men, you
know, doing the hard re constructionwork, and you wouldn't see a woman
in sight anywhere near there. Buthe said when he came here, and
you know, when he was drivingaround, he just started seeing women doing
things. It was unheard of tohim, Like he was so shocked to
see how different like the roles werehere, because you'd see women doing traditionally

(38:05):
male jobs and you know, weakermen over here, right, yeah,
yeah exactly. And something biblical aboutthat is that God raises up women leaders
if the men are failing typically Yeah, yeah, h yeah, I was.

(38:29):
I really loved the story of Deborahand j L. They are both
incredible biblical women, Like they werejust ruthless and wild and barbaric and I
really admire that and they obeyed Godno matter what. And j L actually

(38:49):
the blessing spoken over her by Debrahis that you will be revered among all
women, and that is only eversaid of Mary. It's Mary and Jail
that thing is spoken over. Yeah, that's interesting. Jayelle literally murdered SISERA.
Well, technically, I don't knowif it would be considered murdered because
God condoned it. But she killedCesara because God told her to. And

(39:19):
Mary, yeah, exactly. AndMary was very peaceful, like she had
Jesus, and that was an actof war against sin. But Jaelle literally
killed someone in a barbaric way andwas blessed with Mary. There's a little
fun fact. Interesting indeed. Anyway, anyway, so will what do you

(39:49):
say we take a quick break.We're at the forty minute mark, so
why don't we take a quick break, and when we come back we will
discuss modern worship in America? Doesthat sound good to everybody? A?
Right, listeners, you won't evennotice we're gone. I'll be back soon.

(40:25):
Welcome back. And I hope youall like music because if you don't,
well, that's that's kind of weird, Like why don't What's what's your
problem with music? Yea? Howdo you? How do you live your
life in complete silence like that?That's that's kind of weird, kind of
kind of getting psycho psychopath energy fromyou. I bet you listened Amish romance

(40:45):
podcasts instead the Amish Romance podcast Iwould know because I listened to those when
I'm not listening to music for real. Pardon me, wait are you?
No? Of course I'm not theI was about to completely change my perfection
of you. I don't know ifI would be able to continue the podcast.

(41:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, that'snot my thing. Don't anyway.
Anyway, For those of you whodon't know our our dear, our dear
guest here, Mia, she's sheother than other than women. She's quite
passionate about one other thing, andthat is music. She's even going as
so far to major in it incollege. So yes, so we we're

(41:34):
going to spend the second segment talkingabout music in general. We all also
kind of agreed that we should talkabout worship music because we promised you we
would. So yeah, let's let'sget into it. That's right. We
could start off with worship music unlessyou want to say something else. Well,
but maybe I don't know. You'llhave worship music bothers me because it's

(41:57):
like all Jesus like no substance.That is true. That's pretty much the
crux of the problem with it.I don't know how much more there is
to say about it. Yeah,well, actually, actually give us your
hottest give us your hottest worship music. Take right now. It is too

(42:19):
self centered in modern worship in churches, all of the churches that I've been
to, they are so centered onthe individual soloist. They aren't centered on
the body of Christ worshiping together.Because worship is actually prayer. You can
petition through song, you can rejoicethrough song, and worship is mandated in

(42:44):
scripture for a reason, and it'sbecause it's helpful. It's the church as
a whole, praying together as abody to God, and so it shouldn't
be about the soloist. It shouldbe the soloist should help every everybody else
come together more clearly, right,Yeah, I should. I think.

(43:06):
I think the way our church doesit is a good way to do it.
Because the way our church does itis the entire congregation will sing a
hymn together and there's not usually theperson usually like the pastor or one of
the elders, will like lead thesong, but like you'll you'll hear everybody
in unison. There will be nooverpowering voice. Well, and here's the

(43:27):
thing I've I've worked in church productionand the way that they generally do things
you know, when you're mixing stuff, when you're doing all that, it
does seem like the crowd isn't singing, because yes, you know, they
they they do put the emphasis onthe people at the front who actually have
nice voices, which makes sense whenyou're televising or you know, recording your

(43:52):
your service. But at the sametime, it's like, well, come
on, let's let everybody sing.And some churches, some churches have crowd.
You know, they'll pick up thecrowd too. But yeah, I
get what you're saying there for sure. It's you know, yeah, it's
more of a they do. Theydo it for the broadcast, not so
much for the worship, right exactly, And like it's great if you like

(44:17):
raise your hand like you guys arePresbyterians, right, please keep your arms
and legs inside the pew at alltimes during the service. Yeah, we
go to a Presbyterian church. Yeah, okay, Well I'm non denominational and
we do home church because Williams isspiritually emaciated. And yeah, my dad's

(44:38):
a pastor, he trained as apastor. He doesn't have a church that
he preaches at. It's just ourhole. And so that's a lot of
people think that I don't have authority, and not a lot of people like
I think that's the underlying suspicion.When I talk to people about music and

(45:00):
worship, They're like, but youdon't go to church, And I'm like,
well, we are the church.Us together as a body, we
are the church, and so asChristians, we are all part of the
greater Church, and it's just communitytogether that is important for fellowship. Yeah,
well, and that's what it's.We can debate about about music all

(45:22):
day. We can beat about whatwhat hymns you sing or if you do
hymns at all or whatever. Idon't care so much because I heard this
quote once that I don't remember whosaid it. It was some pastor.
He was trying to be funny,but it's there's some truth to it.
He said that some Christians can worshipGod better singing along to Disney songs with

(45:44):
their kids than they ever will inchurch, just because the attitude has to
be you know, the attitude hasto be there. I mean, music
does have an effect on us,for sure. Music is important, but
it's true that, you know,if you're I would feel like I would

(46:05):
say that a mom singing Disney songsin the car with her kid and thinking
about God's goodness is being more worshipfulthan a mom who is just stressed about
getting her kids to church and lookingright and making the service about her and
making sure that everybody thinks that she'sdoing something everything perfectly, you know,
exactly, because then it's about you, it's not about God, yeah,

(46:27):
exactly. Yeah. And I've I'veeven, uh, I've heard some pretty
pretty bad like it doesn't really matter, like how you worship as long as
your your heart's in the right placeand you're you're singing for God and not
for yourself, Because I've heard somepretty pretty awful singers sing pretty passionately for
God, but like you can't youcan't help but smile at it because though

(46:50):
like they're so on fire for Godand they love God so much. Yeah,
I've heard. And of course they'rereally good singers who will, like
you know, sing the generic ohJesus loves you, Oh I love Jesus
so much, he's my bro.And they'll be good singer, sure,
but you can always tell they don'treally mean what they're saying, right,
Although I will say, I willsay there have been churches that I've been

(47:12):
at where the band absolutely sucks andit's just I have found myself trying not
to laugh during worship. I gotsome of that joy the Holy ghost in
me. I guess, I guess, but that's you know, that's how
it goes. Sometimes when that happensto me, I mainly want to cry
because it's like, as a singer, excellence is part of what I want

(47:37):
to achieve in my singing right,and I believe that God gave me a
voice for a reason and that I'msupposed to hone that skill to the best
of my ability. Yeah, tobe beautiful. And whether I'm singing Schubert
or Mozart or Beethoven, well Beethovendidn't write operas, but anyway, Yeah,

(48:04):
but no matter what I'm singing,I'm supposed to do it beautifully because
that is worship. And like withthe I think building the temple was one
of the biggest examples of that Godwanted it to be beautiful. And the
sculptures that were on the walls,they were pomegranates. They weren't like super

(48:25):
holy like crazy things. Yeah,they weren't like angels or serphim or whatever.
They were pomegranated and God wanted thaton there because they were beautiful,
not because they were entirely holy orthey are holy because God created them,

(48:45):
but not like they're not traditionally holy. Yeah, well, the thing too
is so beauty itself is holy.We have to we have to go off
of what God tells us as faras worship goes right, because the reality
is that we have to trust thatwhat He says he finds beautiful is what

(49:08):
we should be doing because he's infinitelyholy. You know, if he doesn't
choose to have the grace to findwhat we're giving him beautiful, if he
doesn't choose to find what we're givinghim beautiful, then it's not going to
be beautiful to him because he isholy and perfect and we spit in his

(49:30):
face all the time. So thereforewe have to trust that, you know,
what he says in his word iswhat he wants from us. You
know, he wants our worship,even though it's not perfect. He wants
our He wants us to be hisdisciples even though we're going to sin a
lot, and we just have totrust that that is truly what he wants.

(49:51):
And you know, he's not goingto lie to us. So that's
really what true worship should be isdo what he says because we want the
blessing, we want to please God. Yeah, and so we do what
he says objectively, not because likethat's how I feel about the vote too,
Like it's not inherently simple, butthe way the family works, I

(50:15):
don't vote the same as my husbandbecause I want to please God. Right,
I can vote against my husband andthat wouldn't be a sin. But
I'm going to be entirely in unisonwith my husband because that's what I believe
is the most pleasing to God.Yep, fair enough. Yeah, it's
a good point, good good philosophythat I have good, good thing to

(50:37):
carry. Oh yeah, anyway,music in general will start us off.
Start what do you what do youwant me to start off with? Don't?
Oh well, William really likes metal. William actually got me to be
a metal head. Oh yeah,I'm a big fan of Stabataan. I'm
a big fan. Oh my gosh, my, Okay, my four year

(50:59):
old niece ador let's go, let'sgo. We got w y you know
the last band song that was sucha good one. She knows the words.
She was poor and she will singalong with the words and my heart

(51:21):
so happy. But I want tohear her sing it. I want to
hear her sing along to the heavymetal guitars. Yeah, she doesn't like
truly truly know the words because shedoesn't know what they mean. She does
like sing along with the sounds.That's that's adorable. That's that's something I've

(51:42):
been trying to. I've been tryingto trying to get Will to soften up
his music taste a little bit andgo from metal to just punk rock.
But I do enjoy punk rock too. But oh yeah, you know,
you know, heavy metal has beentoo ingrained into my into my psyche to
give it up. Then good foryou. I got it from my mom,
and she she grew up one heavymetal was the popular stuff. Oh

(52:07):
my mom is cool like that.Oh yeah, yeah, my mom got
me into eighties rock. I reallylike a lot of Eighties I do enjoy
somemazing. Yeah, my spot ifI wrapped as I listened to one hundred
different genres. Oh, I'm agenre connoisseur. Yeah, I think what's

(52:28):
your number one artist? I wasat thirty eight genres when I oh,
it was this Russian choir. Okay, that's that's pretty on bread. Oh
yeah, I think he sent mesome of their some of their songs before.
Well, it's interesting. Five ofmy top songs were from that Russian
Russian artists. Okay, it isreally good from what you sent me.

(52:50):
My music taste is like adjacent tothat of my parents, but not quite.
You know, like my mom reallylikes you too, you too.
My dad really like Eric Clapton,gotcha, and you know, more classic
rock like that. It's fine.Both of those artists are fine. I
like them, but I prefer stuffthat's a little bit heavier, a little

(53:14):
bit faster, a little bit moreexciting. So yeah, yeah, I
like a really I'm currently I'm reallyinto sixties like hippy stuff. I really
love that, like the Grateful Dad. No, like uh, Cretens Creek
something, Creeden's Clearwater Revival. Yeah, yeah, they were seventies Mia,

(53:38):
Oh okay, got them fine?Actually you were seventies mea, I actually
have what I have no idea whenthey were, to be honest, I
think one of their songs, theonly one I know, was in the
seventies. So yeah, I likeBad Moon Rising and uh the dude dude,
do look you. I'm back.Oh, I love that one.

(54:01):
I don't know and I know exactlywhat you're talking. I swear that one
is about drugs, I swear,but surprised. Yeah, I think this
all this talk of different genres dot'sbring up an interesting question to what extent
is it okay for Christians to listento secular music just because like, there's

(54:25):
a lot of there's a lot ofpretty good secular music out there. We
can all agree on that lots ofgood second, very talented secular people,
very make very good stuff. Imean, I'm not gonna lie. If
I had to choose between secular musicand Christian pop, It's secular all the
way. Man. Christian pop istrash. I hate it. I love

(54:49):
Jesus, but I hate Christian popmusic. Sorry, just because it has
the word Christian attached to it doesn'tmean you have to like it. You
can't tell if half of the songsare question friend, what yeah, or
that it's actually Christian yeah yeah,just because somebody yeah it's anything. Just
because something is called Christian doesn't makeit actually Christian. Right Precisely, at

(55:12):
the end of the day, theword Christian is just the label that doesn't
speak to your actual salvation or notjust means you say Jesus once or twice.
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, youcan. You can even claim to
be Christian not even say the wordJesus. So I think that your specular
music intake is between you and Godbecause you have to are responsible to your

(55:36):
thoughts holy. You are put infront of God and you are responsible for
your actions and your thoughts what youthink about. I was a very,
very very sensitive child, and Icouldn't even listen to swear words without feeling
dirty. I have little kids thatwas like, don't see that. And
I couldn't listen to music with swearwords because it made me so sad,

(55:59):
and it turns my thoughts into likethose swear words all the time. Now
that I'm a little bit more mature, hopefully they I can listen to a
lot of different music without having mythoughts go in that direction, right,
So I honestly think that it isbetween you and God to keep your thoughts

(56:21):
holy. Yeah, I think that'sa good thing to keep in mind,
even like apart from music, justin life in general, like you should
you should have enough discretion to knowif if a certain piece of media is
hurting your hurting your soul or notlike some people have. Some people have

(56:42):
a higher tolerance for that than others. And that's why I don't have social
media. Social media distracts me somuch that I can't even have any of
it. It's either all or nothingfor me. And that's okay. If
other people want to have social media, it's okay if I enjoy it,
like, it's not sinful to haveit, But for me, I cannot

(57:05):
ingest any It's only sinful if youturn it into an idol idol. For
some people, it's easier to turnsocial media into an idol than others.
And you know, if or likea consumer exactly. Yeah. And if
it's something that you just don't wantto have in your life at all,
that's okay. But if it's somethingthat you're you're fine with, then that's
also okay. Just make sure it'snot turning into a sin, right And

(57:30):
back to the music. I mean, that's something I've I've struggled with a
lot because I listened to a lotof secular the music. I really enjoy
a lot of it. This isgonna sound kind of funny, but every
once in a while when I'm listeningto a secular song, she's like,
you know, Lord, thank youfor making the people who made this song.
This is a really good song.Thank you for this song. I'm
on the way to hit thank youfor this song, and all that kind

(57:53):
of stuff. I don't know aboutthat Songut, well, yeah, they're
you know, you know. Idon't want to be on that highway with
them, That's all I'm saying.I'm trying to be on a stairway to
him. Oh yeah, although theperson who wrote that song probably isn't on
the stairway to heaven, all right, Yeah, so unfortunate. There's not

(58:17):
anything wrong with thanking God for peoplewho make good music. And yeah,
and that's how I feel about operatoo, Like opera is oftentimes very very
very unhelpful in the thought area,Like like the plots themselves, there are
some dirty There are some dirty operasout there, oh my gosh, most
of them. Although one opera thatis not dirty is Garbo of Saville.

(58:43):
I highly recommend it, and Ilove it with all of my The one
I've actually seen Okay, yeah,I see, I thought I told you
already. Just the one I actuallyhave seen Did you watch it on the
Marquis TV anything. No, Iwatched it was not an advertisement, but

(59:05):
I do love Marquis watch stuff.Gotcha that was an advertisement. Oh no,
she snuck her sponsorship in here.Yeah I did. Well. No,
I understand. You gotta you gotta, you gotta make the bills,
you gotta, you gotta roll inthe money. That's right, understandable.
Yeah, I've watched it with mydad a while ago, just because he

(59:30):
said he I think he said hisparents watched it when he was little,
and he wanted to watch it withme. So I was like, sounds
good to me. Wow, wgrandparents w grandparents? Indeed? Amen?
Anyway, folks, anyway, we'reat the hour long mark here, we're
a long mark and well, howmuch how much time do you have left

(59:51):
MEA I should probably go Yeah,you got like eight minutes, so eight
minutes all right. Anyway, Well, it was great having you on.
I'm glad we were able to makethis work. Thank you guys for having
me. It was so fun.Yeah, no problem, thank you for
about stuff. Yeah, we wewe'll have you on again, I'm sure.

(01:00:13):
Oh yeah, we have some wehave some guests. We need to
have back on. Will we gottahave Danny. We need to start to
start mixing and matching them. Youknow, now that we've gotten the good,
good amount of the mind, weneed to start mixing, matching.
That's right, that's right. MaybeDanny and Lucas on for one, keep
it FRESHT time. I don't knowwhat. We'll think it pretty fun,
and then we need to get eventuallyget Mia and Missus Merwin on whether or

(01:00:37):
not Dante's portrayal of God's Love inthe Uh of God's Love in his book
was good or bad. I swearone of you'll teacher, and she loves
Dante, so I should bring heron too. I swear when that debate
happens, one of y'all is gonnaget beat up, even though it will
be overphone. Oh yeah, yeah, it would probably be good that we

(01:01:02):
have the phone on. Hopefully hopefullymissus Merwyn doesn't smash mine. She had
the tendency to do that. I'venever met the woman. No, she
wouldn't. No good, Okay,then then we should be chill. Yeah.
Anyway, Thank you for again,and thank you listeners for listening to
today's episode of the w RITZ podcast. This is the last one of the

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