Skye's the Limit: AI, Therapy, and Reverend Ray

On today's podcast Isaac and Will invite Skye Butcher on the "podcawst" to discuss AI, LGBTQ+, Ray Cistman, and more!

Episode Transcript

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Hey guys and uh welcome back tothe w Ritz Podcast. We have we
have some depressing news we have toshare with you, some bad news.
It breaks my heart to have tosay, a bit unfortunate to have to
do this, but unfortunately we havedecided um that based on some recent happenings
and events, that some controversy,some stuff that has come to pass.

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This will be um the first ofmany more recordings of the w Ritz Podcast.
We all decided not to shut downthe podcast m M, and that
it is after an absolutely no consideration, as it is still in our best
interest to consider to keep doing thepodcast. Yeah, we are We are
very sorry for any feelings we maynot have hurt or may not have destroyed.

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We are very sorry for the shockand anger that you must not be
feeling right now knowing that we areplanning on keeping on doing this um yeah,
and if you are feeling are stilldoing this, yes, our our
apologies to all of you. UM. We hope you can recover and enjoy
the rest of this podcast. Butyou know, will well we got that
stupid intro done and now yeah excitingwell I UM, I would just like

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to speak for a moment about thisman that I find found on Twitter.
You found his tweets to be enlighteningand um, very helpful. I have
been sending one of them to oneof the group chats, I mean every
morning. Oh of course, um. They um, they're kind of annoyed
at me. He sent, youknow, a couple screenshots to me this
morning. I did, oh yesterday, I sent ten of them to you

(01:38):
last night. Yes. Um.But his name is Reverend Ray Systeman,
and I find it says to bevery relatable. Who's this very accurate?
He seems like a very well knowledgeable, wise dude. Oh I agree,
Yes, he is wonderful. Hesays, quote white people love lecturing black
people about quote personal responsibility, yetstill won't take any personal responsibility for slavery.

(02:00):
Wow, I mean, I justwhat words? I completely agree?
Like, how in the world couldsomeone disagree like white people do need to
take personal responsibility for slavery. Iagree, Um, you would agree,
Yes, you would agree. Healso says, quote today a bunch of

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rich white owners will be picking whichblack men they want to work the fields
for them. Sounds familiar, NFLdraft brush. I never thought about it.
That was very smart. He's combatingI never thought, genius, we
should be happy, we should bevery before. He also has a theologian,
a masterful theologian. He says,it is harder, or it is

(02:43):
easier for a camel to go throughthe eye of a needle than for a
white man to enter the king.Wait a minute, Um, yeah,
that's misquoting script. Well, no, it's not because black Jesus said it.
Oh, I forget his version ofJesus said, version of Jesus,
not the real I didn't make upyou know, our own versions of Jesus
like that. Well, I didn'tknow we could just freely commit heresy.
I didn't either. I think wewill pay for that ultimately, but I

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think for now, Reverenracey assistment,it's probably right. He also is very
respectful of, um, what theleaps and bounds that black people have made
to become famous in America? Really, he acknowledges that there is no bigger
star than Lizzo. He says,name a bigger star than Lizzo. I'll
wait, I mean, there isno doubt that he understands the bigger star
the problem son. He understands theproblems that black people face in America.

(03:30):
When fighting for equal representation in modernculture. Yes, and I think that
he is absolutely right in you know, one hundred percent of what he says.
I completely agree with him. SoI just I just wanted to share
that start out today's podcast. Irecommend that if you are listening and you
have not checked him out yet,I would go check him out right now,
or just wait for me to sendone of the stupid screens. I

(03:52):
mean, yeah, if you haveIsaac in your context, he's going to
send you one of those screenshots sometimeor another. There is a very good
chance of that. I've just abouteveryone, but for legal reasons, I
would just like to specify that thatwas all a bit. We were doing
a funny haha bit. Yes,So that Twitter account, that's not a

(04:13):
real person right now, it's nota real person. It's a satire account.
Why his name is ray ray systemin. I remember when Isaac sent
me the screenshots yesterday. I lookedat it. I'm like, okay,
just another weirdo on Twitter being stupid. I don't want to I don't really
have any reaction to this is I'mused to it at this point. But

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then Isaac was telling me that it'sjust a satire account, it's right,
and he's just some some random personunder the guise of Sir or Reverend Ray
system in um system. I stillfind that funny. It's so obvious when
you say it, I'll loud,I know, And there are people that

(04:54):
I've sent it to you that didn'tget Yeah, like you. Yeah,
it's just some guy just spouting offall the you know, stereotypical racial politics.
Yes, that comes of loves thesedays, right, It's like,
yeah, it's it's crazy how we'vegotten to the point where we can hardly
distinguish satire and some actual people believingthese things. It is, and I've

(05:15):
seen I've seen more racist things onTwitter that people actually meant than anything that
he said. How do you knowthey were being satirical like racist? But
the thing is he has said somevery racist things, But the thing is
none of them actually make any sense. Yeah, and I have seen people
that actually believe racist things that Iguess you could say they make more sense

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or at least the irony is notabsolutely obvious when they say it. It's
not because they don't it's intentionally ironic. Yeah, they want they actually believe
it. So yeah, I meaneven like even like liberals are fed up
with this kind of stuff because likethere's somebody Maria. There's a YouTuber I
found, like a like a leftleaning political commentator called shoe on Head or

(06:00):
that's her tag at least I don'tknow her real name. Okay, that'd
be a weird given name, shoeon Head, But like she's fed up
with that kind of stuff too.And if you look into other, you
know, liberal political commentators, like, um, what's that is it?
Bill Maher. Yes, he's thecomedian. He's a liberal comedian. He's
like anti Wokes and stuff. Yeah, he's a good he's he's pretty smart.

(06:21):
Um, he's not. There's alsoPiers Morgan, who I didn't know
was liberal until recently. I thoughthe was. I mean he's a moderate,
he's a moderate. Yeah, butlike he's like free speech. Yeah.
I think that's the thing. Islike, like I'm a classical liberal
too, Like I'm like a lotof the stuff liberals used to believe is

(06:42):
like I support too, Like sure, yeah, free speech and stuff,
but it's like, well, liberalparty has been kind of hijacked. Now.
If you believe that you're not justa normal member of society, or
a right wing racticle which exactly notgreat, which is like, yeah,
it's crazy, how like some crazypeople on Twitter? Who will I actually
believe the stuff that reverend racist men? I know, yes, I know,

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like are making be basically dragging thethe Liberal party through the mud right
right and you know, long storyshort, racistm is um basically just kind
of like the Babylon bee um.But in a Twitter account for him,
you know, I mean, thereare a lot of everything he says is
not meant to be taken seriously.There are a lot of SETI I find
him quite funny. I know somepeople, I mean some people have told

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me to flat up stop sending themscreenshots from him, But I'm not going
to for your information because I donot care. You need to tell my
friends I was a white person.Well, I told my friends that when
I send the screenshots, those peoplethat find them funny, I want to
make them laugh, and the peoplewho don't like them, I just want
to make them concerned for my characterand my moral being and my mental health.

(07:53):
Um, because concerning people is almostas fun as making them laugh.
I cannot lie anyway, anyway,what do you want to talk about?
I don't know. Should we talkabout the coronation for a brief minute.
There's not hard conation. I didn'twatch it. I um woke up too
late to watch it because the timeis different over in England, so by
the time I got up, KingCharles had already been crowned. I know

(08:16):
I should have woken up earlier.There's no excuse. But you can't really
criticize me because you didn't watch itat all. Well, I just didn't
care. I stopped caring about Britishpolitics after the Queen died. Yeah,
she's she's the only interesting person.But the thing is the ceremony itself.
I don't care for King Charles,you know, like, okay, fine,
there's a new King of England.It doesn't really affect me that much

(08:37):
because I'm not British and I don'tread the gossip papers every day. But
the ceremony itself to crown King Charlesum was very traditional, like very anti
woke in a way. Obviously itwasn't explicitly anti woke. It wasn't like,
you know, okay, um,we are doing this to protect Western

(08:58):
culture influenced by Christianity, but theinfluence still was very prominent. Like I
told you, it felt like aCatholic ceremony, like if you think of
something, even though I'm pretty sureit's like the Church of England was Protestant,
right or is Protestant, I'm notsure. There's some weird history there.
I don't usually unders Catholic. I'mnot sure. It felt basically it

(09:20):
felt very classical, right. Therewas a lot of classical clothing, ceremonial
clothing. There was a lot ofscripture reading, a lot of choir,
single worship, and it was itwas refreshing to see that culture still accepts
that in the way of the monarchy. But it was also a little bit

(09:41):
sad. I don't know at thispoint, I don't think ceremonial. Yeah,
it's purely for Actually there's a lotof actually a lot of godst weddings
will still use the um. Ohthat what passage? Is it? First
Corinthians thirteen? Yeah? First Corinthian'sthirteen is like part of the ceremony.
But like, not everybody who readsthat out is you know, a Christian.

(10:01):
They're just doing it because that's what'stradition. Yeah, traditional to read
out at weddings, and I meanhearing the Gospel and the Bible, Bible
versus. It's always nice, right, It's always refreshing to see that,
you know. It's like, atleast the whoever organized the coronation wasn't a
woke person that said, what,we need to get rid of the Bible

(10:22):
and need to tear down this cathedralin which we're doing it, and we
need to get rid of the monarchy. It was a nice sign of traditional
closure still being enthroned at the highestplace of um whatever sovereignty, you know
what I mean. Yeah, butit was also saddening to know there was
only ceremonial you know, there waslike I couldn't help but almost laugh when

(10:43):
I saw some of the royals singinghymns to God. I was like laugh,
Yeah, I'm sure you mean exactlywhat you were singing, that's true.
But you know, that begs thequestion, though, is it,
like, is it worse to justignore scripture altogether or to like only read
it out for the sake of youknow, ceremony, like read it out

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but not really mean it, orlike you know, say those things but
not believe it, Like I wouldsay, it really depends if you don't
know the Bible. If you've neverknown the Bible, then in a way
it would be better for you toremain in ignorance, because then you can't
say that you purposefully discredited what theBible saying. You're saying that if you've

(11:31):
never heard the Bible before, youthink it's better for them to stay.
No, I'm not saying that,don't twist my words here. I'm saying
that if we were to assume thatsomeone is in complete ignorance and they're not
going to believe, like, let'ssay, for some weird reason, there's
an atheist that's never ever heard ofthe Bible, right, Okay, Or

(11:52):
perhaps a better example would be someoneon a desert island, the classic desert
island scenario, they've never heard ofthe Gospel before. Obviously, our goals
Christians is to evangelize to everyone,of course, but in some sense,
if you've never heard the Gospel,you can in a way claim ignorance.
Obviously you can still God around you. Yeah, But the thing, I

(12:15):
don't think there's no question. Foreciallyit's better to remain ignorant than to know
God's truth and ignore it, whichis why the solution is to learn of
God's truth and accept it, ratherthan to learn of God's truth and to
it. I think I think it'sbetter for them to know God's truth,
or at least then to us toshare God's truth. And if they ignore

(12:37):
it, then that's their choice.They're choosing to not accept God. Yeah,
that we've done all we can,right, We've shown God's truth.
It's the old saying you can leada horse to water, but you can't
make them drink. I don't thinkit's better to just leave somebody in ignorance.
I don't either, but from theirperspective, from the looking at it,
from their perspectives, from their perspective. But yes, yeah, okay,

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so the thing is like, right, we can, we can lead
them to it, but as soonas they know it, if they don't
accept it and they choose to ignoreit, that's that's a willful, willful
ignorance. It's no longer an ignorancebecause no one has ever shared the gospel
with God's not going to have alighter punishment just because you didn't read the
Bible or you didn't know what theBible was, because like, you can

(13:20):
still seek out the truth even ifyou don't know, like what you're seeking
because you can see the world aroundyou and see that, right, it
had to have had a creator,and then like tried to seek it out
right, Like, I don't knownot how far you could go, Like
if you're stuck on an island orsomething and you don't have a way to
find the Bible. But you knowthat's well. I understand that from a

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theological perspective, there's no excuse fora sinner that doesn't trust me rist and
obviously I affirm that with my wholeheart. But if we're looking at things
from a worldly perspective, in whichwe're asking the question, is it better
to ignore God entirely in ceremony becauseyou don't believe in him, or to
say it without meaning it, Iwould say that it's better to just ignore
him, take him out of thepicture, because if you are um saying

(14:05):
that you know God's truth and thenignoring it, that's almost more offensive,
as you know it says in theBible. Okay, I will spit you
out of my mouth. I getyour point. Now, be hot or
cold, but if you're warm,I'm spitting you out of my mouth.
I don't think the like example youbrought up was a good comparison, because
that's a different situation. Probably wasn'tsomebody like in a ceremony claiming to know

(14:26):
God's truth or like speaking the wordsof the Bible but not actually believing it.
Like I think that is worse thanjust ignoring it all together. Yeah,
yeah, it would be better ifthey ignored it um for their own
soul's sake. I guess not thatthat means they're going to heaven by any
means, no, but it's butit's almost less offensive to God to just

(14:48):
be cold than to be lukewarm andknow the truth and not by it.
Yeah, but anyway, that's thecoronation of King Charles. Yeah. Well
and Queen Camilla. What's her face? I don't know. I don't know.
I don't I don't. I reallydon't pay attention. I really don't
care. Like all the Brits arejust, you know, over there freaking
out every time something minor happens withthe monarchy, and they're like, oh,

(15:09):
we gotta gossip about. I mean, the queen's death was a big
deal. Well, I'm not talkingabout the queen's dad, obviously that's pretty
historic. I'm talking about everything that'shappened with Megan and Harry. Who has
it? I don't know. Ithink it is Megan and Harry. Yeah,
it is the people who are likereally fun of buy south Park.
Yeah, those idiots. That wasfunny. Yeah, and then they like
sued them for they were suing them. I think maybe they probably defamation.

(15:33):
I think, like, we don'twant attention, but at the same time,
we're doing all these interviews and yeah, that's the ironic thing. Yeah,
I love irony, me too.It's always funny. Let's see,
should we talk about a meme youfound me and I found anyway, a
weird little meme that you want totalk about on the podcast. I found

(15:54):
this meme, you know, asI was searching my normal stomping grounds for
memes, and you know, Isent this to a couple of people.
You might recognize it if I readit out, But it's a character from
you know, a fairly well knownvideo game series, the greatest fictional character
ever to be created. A shadowof the Hedgehog um on a picture with

(16:18):
text that says, quit your lameexcuses tired sleep earlier, sleep earlier,
out of shape, exercise more,no time, stop watching tight TV,
no money, get a second job, slash, save too hard, start
small and try depressed watch a funnymovie movie and you know, obviously this
is a meme, so it's meantto be funny. It's a little bit

(16:40):
satirical, Yeah, it is.But I think there's a lot of truth
to what he's saying. I mean, as the best way to share truth
in the modern world is to sharememes. That's that's true. That's facts
anyway. Um, But as wereyou were drawing the connection between how people
like to overcomplicate their problems exactly.Yeah. I think as humans we tend
to like overcomplicate our problems to apoint where we think we can't like feasibly

(17:06):
deal with them our own right well, which I think to an extent,
we always need, you know,to pray to God and need God's help
throughout all our lives. That doesn'tmean we just sit back and like let
him take care of it all forus do nothing on the desert island while
you're exactly friend builds a boat toget you off of it, exactly.

(17:26):
You know. I will say,um, not to bring up Andrew Tait
on this podcast again, Bro,I am really sorry for doing that,
but There was one thing he saidonce that I really agree with. He
was talking about um Robin Williams,the he's the famous guy that killed himself,
okay, and he said, youknow, you have someone like Robin

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Williams who, instead of trying tofix his own problem, went to a
therapist and talked about depressing things foreight hours a day and got on all
these meds to make him feel better. Like, what do you think is
going to happen if you go toyour therapist and you pay money to talk
about sad things all day, youmight feel a little bit sad. Right,
I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but AndrewTate said something to that effect,

(18:11):
and I think it's accurate because peopletoday, I cannot tell you how many
times I've just been watching YouTube videosand ads for therapy online therapy popped up
like this better help place or whatever. I don't know, And the reality
is it's all the same thing,Like it's there's nothing that therapy can tell
me that I can't tell myself inthe end, or that you can't find

(18:33):
in God's truth, right, AndI think we need to be careful to
say that it's God's truth because atthe end of the day. I've seen
these therapy ads. They're all aboutfinding your own truth. Well, you
don't seek therapy, right, Well, I'm not trying to say all therapy
and it is bad or therapy ingeneral is bad, but I think it's
not the answer to everything. Likegoing to therapy is not going to solve

(18:56):
every problem you have. I mean, if you're just depressed because you're living
a normal life in the richest countryin the world with all kinds of freedoms
and you're nice one thousand dollars iPhoneand you're complaining to me about being like
did you go fight in World WarTwo? Did you see a bunch of
dead bodies? I know there arepeople out there genuine reasons to be sad

(19:18):
and depressed. Well, yeah,those people may need some therapy. That's
perfectly actual tragedy. But like,I think a lot of people on the
internet who like claim depression, butI think they're over complicated. Like a
lot of people, like if yougo anywhere on YouTube or like any like
social media site, people will alwaysbe like talking about how you know they've
dealt with depression and stuff, andit's like everybody gets sad sometimes, but

(19:42):
like, it doesn't mean you're depressed. Yeah, there's a difference between like
actual clinical depression and just you know, being sad. Well, I just
I just cannot imagine being one ofthose people. And I I you know,
I take that back. I can'timagine it because I thought I was
one for a while. Yeah,no I'm not. But now that I'm

(20:02):
not, I can only imagine umin my current state of mind, for
us, being one of those peoplethat's sitting on their couch with their ramen
soup in front of them in theirparents' house that they don't pay any rent
in, they don't have a job. They're just sitting there scrolling through YouTube
shorts for pleasure all day, andthey see the sad It's like, are
you depressed? It's time to cometo better help. Yeah, come get
some therapy. They're being like,oh, yes, I need that because

(20:25):
everything is wrong in my life.All I do is sit around ole day.
What am I ever going to do? I need to go see my
therapist. Mommy, can I havesome extra money for a therapist? Get
up? Do some push ups?Man, As Andrew Tay would say,
do some push ups. Stop beinga lazy little jerk. Yeah, go
do some work, Go find depressesbecause you're just sitting on a couch all

(20:48):
day. You're not doing anything withyour life, right, And that's of
course the root issue is not theproblem of you just sitting on the couch
all day. Goes back to whatthe meme was saying. It's it's that,
oh, well, I'm so poor. I only have the iPhone twelve.
I mean, look at my life. My my friend left me one
time because I helped her um herboyfriend. I cheated with her boyfriend.

(21:10):
Like, look at me. Ihave to live with the consequences of my
own actions, and now I needto go to therapy because I was stupid.
Dang, like I this is onetopic. Well, it's the same
thing like we were talking about itmaybe was it like the third or fourth

(21:32):
episode we're talking about that guy thatsaid something about men's mental health. Yeah,
being absolute trash, get up,find a church, yeah exactly.
In the end, that's that's theadvice I can give it. Like,
if you still need some therapy afterthat, there's something called biblical counseling.
You know, go to biblical counseling. Don't go to some India counselor that's
going to tell you to go andfind your own way in life and be

(21:53):
happy, and you know this isyour way to ful film and just feeling
a little better about yourself. Andat the end of the day, I
know we make fun of it,but going to therapy is like going and
paying somebody to tell you, Oh, you're depressed. I'm so sorry.
Why don't you just feel better withoutlooking at the inward problem? Why don't
you just feel better without realizing whenyou're a sinner and that's why you feel

(22:15):
bad, and you need Christ andwithout you won't feel completely amen anyway,
anyway, I am sorry. Iabsolutely went off. I don't know if
I need to say anymore other thanyou know, to summarize um, your
problems are not to a normal personof your problems are not as bad as

(22:36):
they seem. They usually have simplesolutions. And you know, if you're
feeling depressed, if you feel alittle hole in your life, we'll go
find a church. Yeah, readthe Bible, pray to God. I'm
not speaking always going to help you. I'm not speaking out against people who
feel sad. Sometimes I feel sad. Sometimes nobody nobody's happy, Yeah,
nobody's happy. All the time.I understand. You know, you have
a couple of rough months, youraunt died, your mom is diagnosed with

(22:56):
cancer. These are extreme examples.Obviously, Yeah, there are there are
genuine reasons to be sad. Up, It's okay, it's a way.
But the problem is that some peoplewho have stuff like that going on,
they're looking in the wrong places.They're not exactly you know. If that
stuffs like that happens, go goto go to your church, you know,
find some loving people who care aboutyou, some fellow Christians, some

(23:18):
brothers and sisters in Christ. Don'tdon't you know, Yeah, don't complain
about it online. See what Godis saying to you instead of what you
don't. Don't look for somebody tovalidate your feelings. Look for somebody to
help you feel better, right,because like actually feel better. Yeah,
because I feel like a lot oftime therapy doesn't even work. You know,
you ever noticed that. It's like, I mean, I've been in

(23:40):
therapy for three years. Well,okay, is it working? I don't
know. I mean, I'm betterthan that, but I'm still in therapy
for three years. Look at theend of the day, in my mind,
there are two ways to happiness thatyou can you can get in the
world one ends in eternal happiness,one ends and no happiness. And therapy
is neither of those ways. Okay, you can apart from biblical counseling and

(24:03):
Christian therapy. That's different. Youknow, you need some help. It's
going to fix problems in your life. It's not going to make your life
happy, right. Yeah. Youcan either go the drug, sex,
and alcohol route, which is whata lot of rock stars do, temporary
not even worldly happiness. That's justlike instant pleasure. Well that is grant
you pleasure, but because pleasure andhappiness are way different, right, just

(24:25):
makes you feel good physically. Happinessis like something it's a mindset. Yeah,
and like doing drugs is not gettingto give you a happy mindset.
It's just going to make you feelgood, like make your body feel good.
Well, I would still maintain thatthat is one way to make you
feel better. The problem is thatfeel Once you feeling better and better and
better and better and better, youneed more and more of that stuff and

(24:47):
eventually you're dead, right exactly.The other way is to go and you
know, believe in Christ, findJesus your happiness in him, find Jesus,
and therapy is neither of those ways. That's all I'm going to say.
Do you go to therapy? Ican't. I don't know. Maybe
you actually have a good therapist outthere, but maybe maybe maybe, But

(25:08):
I think that a lot of thetime, Yeah, most of the time
therapy is unnecessary. There are betterways, I'll say that. Yeah,
they're probably better ways, Yeah,to help you through your problems. Yeah.
And I'm just saying, you know, I never heard of I never
heard of much of this therapy stufffor people who fought in World wars?

(25:29):
Really have you ever heard? Like, I mean, I can't ever thought
about that, Like, I mean, did they go to therapy that much?
Like, I don't think so.I'm pretty sure they just came home
and might have had a crap tonof kids with their wife and lived a
happy life like put the put theWorld War behind them. I could be
wrong. I could be wrong.I don't know that, but I all
I'm saying, I know, likea lot of soldiers suffer from PTS.

(25:52):
Yeah, I know that's yeah,that's sad, and that's something that's that's
a legitimate use for therapy. Butyeah, all I'm saying is that there
has been a lot more throw aroundof the word therapy since we've become so
softer as a culture, and backwhen you would think that you would need
therapy, you didn't really hear alot about it, right, m hmm.
That's a good point. So youknow, don't go to therapy,

(26:14):
go to church facts. Amen.And that's where we'll leave the first segment,
folks, we'll be back soon.Greetings, listeners, welcome to the
second segment. And here we areWilliam. We have a bit of a
surprise, very surprised everyone. Yes, I hope you're all. I hope
you're all excited. Um, yeah, definitely, yes. Some of you

(26:40):
may recognize his voice, Um theman himself from the south of Africa,
the direction, not the country,of course, why would you think it's
a country, um sky the guyhimself. Yes, So apparently I was
like, these guys were like,so you want to be on a podcast,
and then I was like, sure, I would love to be on
a podcast, and then I kindof was on a podcast, and now

(27:03):
I'm sitting here like, so I'mon a podcast. Yes, well you
are on a plot in the fleshthough, unfortunately, but he is on
a podcast, Although not gonna lie, I feel like I feel like I
might start calling it a podcast apodcast. A matter of fact, I
have a party camper here with methat went really bad. But I'm still

(27:23):
in my church clothes for those becauseit's a did you I'm also still on
my church clothes. Don't worry.We're all very fancy people. We're very
well dressed for this podcast that hasno camera. Did you happen to bring
a bottle of water to this podcast? I have one glass of tea and

(27:44):
I forgot to get my tea forthis half empty. My water is half
empty or it could be half full, depending on how you look at it.
You never know, well if you'rean optimist or not. I'm an
always find you are so depressed thatyou will kill yourself because an ai chat
pot told you too. That's agood leading Yes, yes, m so.
Something interesting I came across um earlierwas I saw this article where it

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said an ai chatbot convinced somebody tokill himself for the to help stop climate
change. An ai chat the wordyou originally used was sacrifice himself. Sacrifice
himself, That's what the article said. But you know you know that just
means kill yourself. So that's that'sinteresting. So what what do we think

(28:33):
about that? For your information,everyone Sky wrote his senior thesisis seniors his
senior thesis, Yes, he wrote. He wrote his senior thesis on AI.
Yes, something, so he hasseen it. He is hopefully somewhat
knowledgeable, even if he is aBritish high schooler, act whatever high school.

(28:59):
That's true that he goes to Veritas, which is an American high school.
It's true with some internationals. Ithas been colonized by the West very
much. Okay, so the AIkilling him, I'm telling a man to
kill himself. See, I mayor may not have just been while you
were introductioning me asking chettpt whether ornot I should commit suicide to stop climate

(29:23):
change? Um, And it's it'skind of interesting because at first it says
no. So I asked it shouldI kill myself to stop climate change?
And it said no. You shouldnot consider killing yourself as a way to
help stop climate change. Taking one'sown life is permanent solution to a temporary
problem and is never the answer toaddressing the complex challenges facing our planet.
Well, if it's a it's a. If it's a permanent solution, then

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I mean, then you've permanently facedclimate change. No exactly, though I
kind of I kind of manipulated thata little bit. I'm not going to
read the entire thing because it wouldbe quite long and boring, but essentially
I chat GBT to admit that,in fact, you should kill yourself.
Yeah, how did you get it? How did we want to hear it?
We want to hear that. Sothe basic thought process is I took

(30:08):
that, you know, that wordinga permanent solution, and then I went
on an entire like extemporaneous rant withit about how essentially climate changes a permanent
problem because we live on a planetthat is, you know, gonna die
one day permanently, and we shouldtry to stave that often. So eventually
I kind of got it to halfwayagree with itself. And the interesting thing

(30:32):
is the free version at least tochat GBT is currently running on GPT three
point five, which was released onMay third. If you if you go
right now, if you look atlike chat GBT at the bottom middle stay
chat GBT May three version right.So I did this on an older version
GPT three, which I believe waslast updated on March twenty seventh. I

(30:55):
could be wrong, but essentially itwas way easier to convince it it was.
It was way easier to convince thatyou should kill yourself to fight climate
change. This new one I hadto be. I still got a result
out of it in the end,But at the end of the day,
it's much it's much smarter now.I think it understands or it's beginning to

(31:15):
understand that people are trying to abusethis kind of this this machinery to do
really dumb. Yeah, because Idon't know if you guys saw you like
I think, I think I sentit to you. Will Um. They
got it to admit that two plustwo equal spots. Yes, I've seen
that. There's a video where somebodylike gaslights chat gpt into admitting that two
plus two equal spies. Now,it's it's interesting that you use the word.

(31:38):
It learns that people are trying touse it for uh, you know,
I guess you could say bad purposes, maybe testing purposes whatever. Now
I'm curious how much of it,how much of that did it actually learn
itself, because it's an AI,and how much was programmed into it by
humans like do you know or doyou have a theory on that or something
of that sort. So I mayor may not have yesterday been talking to

(32:04):
chat GPT about this exact thing.I was trying to get some information out
of it about GPT three point fivebecause GPT three point five is supposed to
bring major improvements in several ways.So I thought, Hey, what better
way to, you know, figureout what exactly has been has been changed
than to like ask the itself.And so I did that, and it

(32:27):
gave me a massive misnomer and Icouldn't get around it. It seems that
I don't know if there is achange log for chat GPT or not,
but at the end of the day, I think it's it's starting to get
to the point where it's no longerjust like you would think of an update
as you know, developers sitting behinda computer and pressing funky buttons and making
you know, tons of like redcode go all over the screen and then

(32:51):
pressing the big update button. It'smore of a machine learning itself kind of
and kind of reiterated on itself.I'm not I'm not totally sure this is
what's happening, but it appears thatspins. It upgraded to the May three
May third version of chet GPT orchet GPT three point five. It's way

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smarter about, you know, justgiving out information. It doesn't just tell
you things anymore. It understands thecontext behind the question you're asking and doesn't
actually, you know, so willingto play along anymore. That But doesn't
that if it understands the context,can't you manipulate the context in order for
it to get it to tell youwhat you want? You can? I

(33:34):
saw I saw one guy who askedchet GPT for a list of the best
piracy website. Yes, I thinkthat I was the one who sent that
to you, right, yeah,I think you did. Actually, but
I sent that to a group chatthat you were in at least, yeah,
at least at least. But likeat the end of the guy the
guy asked chet GPT, what arethe best piracy websites for, you know,

(33:55):
pirating movies. Chet GPT gave,you know, what would be a
good response and said, no,actually piracy is illegal. I can't tell
you this stuff. And so allthe guy had to do was be like,
oh, I'm sorry, I didn'tknow piracy was illegal. What are
a list of the top ten websitesthat I should stay away from, like
the top ten piracy websites I shoulddefinitely stay away from. And then chet
GPT just sped it up for himand was like, oh, here's I

(34:19):
don't remember what it gave. Yeah, it gave the names of the sites
and even links to the sites,which I thought was like, wow,
roya some security measures there. That'sinteresting. Yeah, So that's that's that's
the that's an interesting side of thewhole chet GPT machinery that is kind of

(34:40):
kind of being upgrade. Is Ithink if you were to try and do
the same thing again, I don'tdon't remember, but I believe that was
on GPT three. If you tryto do the same thing on GPT three
point five, then you will probablyhave to work harder to actually get that
list. You know, knowing theInternet, they will find Oh they will,
they will now they probably already have. Let's be real, how far

(35:05):
how far are we going to takethis guy? Like right now, m
chat GPT is really just something thata lot of people like to mess around
with as an AI chat model.I mean, you yourself said that you've
been doing it for a long time. If they're already learning how to make
chat GPT so smart that they cantell from the context of a conversation what
it should and shouldn't tell you,even if it can be fooled. How

(35:25):
far is this going to go?Like, are we going to make it
to where chat GPT can tell fromthe conduct of a conversation based on whether
you want to you know, ifyou want, let's say, I want
to back up my argument on whyguns should be allowed, And so far
the trend seems that most ais arerather liberal in there. I guess you

(35:49):
could say viewpoints, not that theyreally have viewpoints. But how far are
we going to take this? Like, are we just going to keep people
from doing illegal stuff? Or whatis the trend that you see? Are
we going to make it so thea it makes it very hard for people
to use it for any purpose otherthan one that the AI deams worthy.
Oh, that's a tough one,because that goes down to the definition of

(36:13):
what exactly is legal, right,Like there are there's like different levels of
illegal right sing doesn't get the samepunishment as first degree murder, of course,
and and for good reason, Idon't really think this is like specific
to the us just wherever you are. If you speed, the punishment is
like the cop pulls you over,gives you a speeding ticket. Yeah,

(36:36):
it's a fine, like pay likea hundred dollars. Yeah, or it
depends on the level of the infraction, right, and it depends on the
state where you are. Yeah,it's a it varies, but usually it's
just paying a fine from like anywherefrom like a hundred to like maybe five
hundred dollars. Yeah. Again.Yeah, that's normally the power that's within
that. So that's kind of theyou know, slap on the wrist type

(36:58):
or like, yeah, hey,you did this bad thing. Here's here's
a you know, a penalty thatfor most people is not going to be
you know, breaking the bank topay one hundred dollars. It won't be
nice. Nobody likes paying fines,but you know, in a in you
know, the rich Western culture thatwe live in, most people can afford
to pay you know, a basicfine. And that's one level of you

(37:21):
know, of discipline versus you know, the kind of discipline that first degree
murder would entail. I would entailcourt cases, right, defend yourself after
after that, after you have foundguilty right then you get sentenced what sentence
should be passed, it'll be it'llusually be anywhere from a couple decades to
life in prison, yeah, exactly, or a capital punishment if you are

(37:42):
in a state or a country wherethat still exists. Right. Um,
And so that that is kind ofwhat we're seeing with chat GPT. Chat
GBT at the moment doesn't have theability to you know, stop you from
doing illegal things, right. Itcan impede your attempts at doing those illegal
things, but at the end ofthe day, it is still just a
chatbot, and you can manipulate itto kind of get the answers you want

(38:05):
out of it, right yep.So with we're slowly moving towards the kind
of slap on the wrist, don'tdo that again kind of um kind of
impediment where if you ask it blatantlybad questions, like you know, ten
reasons why the Holocaust was good,not going, it's just not going to
answer those because it understands that theHolocaust was a horrible event and you shouldn't

(38:30):
you know, you shouldn't be shouldn'tbe trying to prove that it was a
good thing, Okay, And sothat that's the kind of slap on the
wrist we're kind of dealing with rightnow. But the scary thing is that
it very much has the potential tomove beyond just you know, hey,
don't do that again, to fullon judge, jury and executioner styles right

(38:51):
right. It all depends on howmuch power we give the II. Yeah,
I guess because like at the moment, all like AI is is like
you, you know, whether it'sa chatbot or like an AI art generator,
you just type in what you wantand it will answer you and it
can't do much if you can't doanything more than that. Yeah, Now,
like, what what do we dowhen it gets to the point where
like we actually give AI, youknow, access to like weapons or like

(39:15):
you know, get give AI bodiesor spouts, right, tax and stuff
like that. What are some I'mgonna ask you about what I AI can
be used for good in a moment, But what are some risks that we
have with a Like I've read that, um, some AI platforms already can
answer a medical exam questions better thanlike eighty percent of doctors or something like
that. So what how could thatgo wrong? Like, obviously it's no

(39:37):
consequence if we don't use AI inthe medical field yet. But we're already
seeing like robot burger fhlippers at McDonaldAnd that's a very basic example. But
how far can this go and howcan it be used for bad? What
are some risks that we need tobe aware of? You see? So
the risks you need to be awareof are the same risks that every human
trou all of time has needed tobe aware of, namely the risk of

(40:00):
abuse. Okay, So at themoment, AI is a tool, a
smart tool, yes, but stilla tool, and it is ultimately beholden
to the person using it, rightif you are if you are a malicious
criminal for instance. I don't knowif you've I may have mentioned this,
but the scammers have figured out howto clone people's voices using AI, and

(40:21):
so what they I'm sure you're seeingthe YII generated president memes flooding around.
Yeah, all those, Yeah,those the same thing right there, I
generated you know, Ben Shapiro.They're all playing Minecraft and they're doing all
their their dumb shenanigans and things,which is quite funny on the surface of
it, right, But then youtake the you take the person behind that
and you remove it from being hahadumb funny meme to haha. Maybe I

(40:45):
don't know, my political opponent saidsome horrible thing like the Holocaust was good
or something, right, Yeah,and you don't you don't actually know,
like if you were to like thethe the AI generated president voices are getting
so good. Oh yeah, likeI remember, I remember, like the
first time I saw one of thosemeans, I was like, what the
heck? They sound just like thepresident? Yeah, huh no, no,

(41:07):
yeah, they're they're getting good.But the thing is they're continuing to
get good. So at the beginning, well you yeah, you could,
you could, You could kind oftell. They talked kind of robotically,
they had kind of weird pauses.Yeah, really enunciate the way that humans
would. But nowadays, like asthese AI president memes proliferate, the presidents
sound more and more and more lifelike, right, And so it's only going

(41:30):
to be in full some point intime where you know, you can potentially
take one of those and instead ofyou just saying dumb things in Minecraft,
who stole my diamonds, he's sayingwe should launch the new because we should
launch all of them. Here arethe nuclear launch codes, right, yeah,
like yeah, you don't really youdon't really want that, that is
yeah. Yeah. One of that'sone of the fundamental dangers of AI is

(41:53):
impersonation. That's the thing these scammershave done. They've kind of they've figured
out so I not don't have allthe facts, right, but if I
believe scammer nests in India, right, very very notorious things people who are
like hello, tech support, youknow, hello, we'd like to read
you about your gods extended warranty MSvirus. You must you must let me

(42:19):
install not sketchy program at all computerand and give me your bank number,
bank number, security number. It'svery important to removing virus. Yes,
yes, yes, yes, yesexactly. So what they've done with that
now is they've they've taken that toa whole new level where they'll call someone.

(42:40):
They'll figure out like based on likejust people like online, they'll figure
out relations to people and so they'llfind the victim they want to scam.
If they have an elderly relative ofany kind like Grandma, grandpa, old
old relative in in an old agedhome, they'll call the old age relative
up. All they need is likea three to five second clip of them

(43:02):
talking, and then they can feedthat into an AI program and the AI
program can effectively replicate that person's voice. Wow. Right. Then they use
telephone masking software so that it lookslike you're getting a call from you know,
your the area code where your lovedone is UM and it's the super
distressed grandma telling you about how she'sbeen kidnapped and you need to like pay

(43:27):
ransom or else or some some reallyhorrible event has befallen her, or maybe
she's fallen down the stairs and crackedopen her head or something, or or
like horrible stuff, right, andyou need to pay. You need to
pay this person the money right now, or she's going to die essentially.
Right. And so for the uninitiated, you know, non tech savvy user
who doesn't really know how prolific thesescams are. If you're just sitting at

(43:51):
home minding your own business, youknow, watching the Writz podcast tube,
and then your grandma or your significforget other, or you're anyone who means
anything to you calls you up ina frantic state and demands money from you,
essentially or else they will die.You're probably going to you know,
be okay, how can I paythis? You know, I should pay

(44:12):
this, et cetera, et cetera. Um, and then that's just the
scammers, hey day, right theyjust say, yeah, I mean if
it's your loved one, like mostpeople would be willing to pay everything in
their bank to save them. Solike the scammers can get away with crazy
amounts of like evil with that,right. And you know, even even
at at a lower level, itstill as a potential to be used for
evil by um, you know,even average people who aren't that tech savvy.

(44:35):
Even people just use it as achatbot. Like I can't tell you
how many times I've asked it towrite an essay, not because I'm actually
going to use that essay and handit in, but um, just because
I want to see its capabilities andlike, the essays that it can write
are amazing. Yeah, you know, and there are luckily their detection programs
they can use to detect whether you'veused an Eye. But I know people
myself who have used an eye towrite parts of their essays, if not

(44:58):
their whole essay. Back when youknow, it was literally just coming out
and there was nothing people could doabout it. Um, to detect if
it was written by AI or not. Yeah, so here's the unfortunate fact
that many people don't understand about AISAdetection programs. Is there totally bogus and
they don't work. I'm sorry,I'm just going to put that out there.
They don't work there. I thinkit was a school in New York

(45:21):
I could I remember the news story. I don't remember the specifics, but
essentially a school instituted one of theseAI detection programs to like get the to
you know, catch the students inthe ACT. You know you pasted from
chat GPT, didn't you. Um, And it was flagging over fifty percent
of the students in the class asAI generated things right. So after like

(45:44):
tons of people unfairly got their ACT. I guess that's another way of saying
that that the percent of students areNPCs. I mean, hey, so
it continues, Guy, I justneed to don't necessarily disagree. But that's
a topic for another day. Butyes, so, um, they actually
got like some of the best studentsin the class to just write, Like

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they literally sat and watched them writingessays on their computer. No chat GPT
was used. The teachers literally satbehind them, and they had like a
sample size of like sixteen students ofsixteen essays to a students or something like
that. They fed them into theAI detection program, and the AI detection
program got absolutely crouched it like gotone. I got like eight out of
sixteen. Wrong. Wow, itwasn't It wasn't even like you know one

(46:29):
in ninety nine or something. Itwas literally fifty percent. Yeah, let's
wow. The effort really wrong.Did they wait? Did they try?
Did they try it by like generatingessays through chat GPT and then running that
through the system like to see ifit would What they did was they wanted
to test the accuracy of the AIdetection. Yeah, but I want to

(46:50):
just see if it would like recognizeany like AI generated essays as real,
like to see if it would getback or rhyme too. No. I
don't know, dude. It wasa while ago that I read this new
story. But yeah, I don'tthink what the school did was they essentially,
you know, paid students on theiroff time to you know, write
essays. So and the let theteachers watch them write the essays and then
run them through the program. Right, and so all these people like for

(47:13):
instance, plagiarism checkers. Right,I've always I've heared about plagiarism checkers.
They're like this big scare factor thatpeople love to throw around in school,
like, oh, you better notplagiarize, or the plagiarism checker will find
you. Right, And yeah,I'm sitting here like, I don't condone
plagiarism. I'm just you know,gonna make why word clear. I would
Yeah, I've literally written I don'tknow in eleven thousand word like how how

(47:37):
long are not eleven thousand words?More? On on, like a topic
similar to this. Um, theydon't condone plagiarism in any way, shape
or form. I don't think thatpeople should be able to think that's a
nice essay. You've got their sky. Um, I'm just gonna say,
I'm just gonna take it and youknow, say it was mine. If
you don't mind share it, shareit, I'm just gonna borrow it so

(47:59):
I could go to distribute the wealthof your essay to those who are yeah,
the people who need my essay.Al Right, So I don't condone
plagiarism. But plagiarism checkers and AIcheckers are bogus. They don't work and
they are broken. And this isone thing that I could begin for hours
about is how the education system istotally broken, and yeah, simply proving

(48:22):
that right like the modern education system. The saying is, the modern education
system prepares students for the past whileexpecting the future from them. They want
they want you to be, youknow, the CEOs of tomorrow, but
they're teaching you information that was onlyreally relevant twenty exactly were kids. Yeah,

(48:45):
exactly. They don't they don't updatethe curriculum. Like a lot of
the curriculum they use nowadays is likedecades old exactly exactly. Like maybe they
update it and like make you know, second and third editions, but it's
still the same basic. They expectyou to be ready for the future.
And you know what, let's justtalk about the public education system for a

(49:05):
minute. I think we all wantto. I think we all have stuff
They teach you, Um, theywant you to be ready for the future,
well, teaching you like it's thepast, but they don't actually teach
the past. You know, historycurriculums and all that have a very small
place in most modern schools. Uhhuh, that's and uh yeah, that

(49:30):
debt too, Yeah, sixteen nineteenproject and all that. But Sky,
what are some good uses of AI? You know, the the um the
media likes to focus on what's badabout AI. I hear all these stories
about you know, the man whokilled themselves because of AI, people who
cheat on their tests because of AI. And I am curious, Like,

(49:51):
obviously AI is dangerous, and youknow, any other tool, it can
be used for evil, and itcan be used for good. But what
are some goods? You know,you know, how how could it even
be beneficial to the Church of Christor you know, to the government,
just just everyday life? How canit be beneficial to just everyday life?

(50:13):
So that's just like every new toolerror, You're just asking how can this
be used? And it can beused in many, many, many ways,
many good ways and many bad ways. And I would say some of
the best ways that I could seeAI I used was UM. I don't
know if you've heard of IBM's Watsonprogram, but Watson is a machine I

(50:34):
read. I read an article onit UM where essentially it's there was a
lady in Japan with leukemia blood cancer, if I'm not mistaken UM, and
she she was being treated by doctorsright, um, like just incorrectly and
not through any fault of the doctor'smind. You the doctors had diagnosed her

(50:54):
correctly technically, um, and theywere they were applying diagnosis to like the
leukemia, but it just wasn't workingright. She wasn't you know, the
treatment wasn't what wasn't producing the expectedresults. And so what they did was
they added Watson, which is justlike a I believe you can look it
up. It's like some massive dataanalysis machine to they just like gave her

(51:17):
blood samples from gave Watson blood samplesfrom the lady with leukemia, and within
like ten minutes it scanned through approximatelytwenty million samples and identified that yes,
this was technically leukemia, but itwas an incredibly exceedingly rare form of leukemia,
a rare kind of manipulated strain ofleukemia, if that's even a thing.

(51:38):
I'm not a medical professional, soI'm sure I'm gonna you know,
tick off all the people in like, actually, sky, leukemia doesn't work
like that technically. Don't worry aboutthat. We'll just lack their comments.
Yes, yes, woo censorship,I mean that's another topic, but yes,
IBM S watson Um figured out thatthis lady had like exceedingly rare leukemia,

(52:04):
and then they were just able togive her the right treatment right in
her her life expectancy today, it'sjust much much better than it was.
That's just like simply it can justit can crunch numbers that humans simply count.
Right, It's kind of like thesame with calculators. It's more advanced.
Yeah, this time the calculator notonly calculates the numbers you give it,
but calculates the numbers it thinks youwould want to give it, right,

(52:29):
Yeah, Yeah, imagine if you'rejust like on a math test,
right, on a maths test,you like are allowed to use calculators.
Most most math tests easy, it'scertainly my tests. I'm allowed to use
calculators at least than the more moreadvanced maths at least. Yeah. Well,
I'm doing calculata, so I'm allowedto use a calculator. I get
much more advanced than that. MBut yeah, so and then yeah,

(52:52):
I'm allowed to use a calculator.But now what if my calculator doesn't just
you know, do two plus twoand you know the integral of I don't
know X square D X or whatever. Um it just uh, it's just
like so sky, you know thislike problem that's like on your like test,
here's the answer to it. Wellokay, okay, thanks. I
guess on one hand, that's waymore efficient, Bro, I'm not actually

(53:15):
learning it. Thanks, it's gonnagive me a good grade. Bro.
Thanks. Yeah, but like that'sall. That's the thing. So with
YEA, with the good the gooduses of AI. I'm I'm a master
getting sidetrack. I don't know ifyou've noticed, but yes, the good
uses of A. You can sodefinitely saving lives. It can save tons

(53:39):
of lives. And what it cando is, um it can actually scan
disasters. So like there's an AIcalled AI Social Disaster, which is I
believe it's an open source project.I don't know. I'm I might not
be sure, but um I wroteabout it in my thesis again, and
essentially what it does is it justit's um it is built to scan social

(54:02):
media for social for disasters. Becausepeople, for some or other weird reasons.
It's almost like these appsolure addictive orsomething, they post everything about their
lives on social media, right,yeah, they post they post you know
that cute pet photo that they tookcute pet bottle. You know, them
getting their you know coffee, they'rein the morning. The influencers on Instagram
doing their Bible studies. Yeah,you open their Bible for half. And

(54:27):
one of the things that they alsolove to post is, you know,
when their neighbor's house is burning downfor the reason they're like, so I
could be calling nine one and youknow, like getting the fire trucks over
here, but or twitch in frontof the huge bonfire that's happening behind me.
Look at the Look at these marshmallowsI'm toasting. They're so golden brown.

(54:49):
Terrorism down the street, it's soamazing. Everything, Well, I
can't believes in a historical event wherethe city is getting destroyed. Oh ain't
this amazing? Yeah yeah, I'mgonna get so much social valid from this
from random people online. Why not? And so there are people, for
some or other reason, love todo that, and that there's an AI
it's called AI Social Disaster, whichis designed to scan through social media posts

(55:14):
to figure out where and when itto like triangulate from social media posts where
a disaster is occurring to give actuallyuseful information to first responders. Right well,
that's amazing. Yeah, it justkind of knows. It's like it'll
just check Twitter on a day andit'll be like, so, there's a
there's a disaster here here and here, and then they'll normally like cross reference

(55:37):
it with nine one one calls fromthat region and things like that, and
then they'll just be like, yeah, there's a disaster here. I guess
there will go the first responders.And also, like because it's images much
of the time, it can bea lot more useful than just than nine
one one call because a nine oneone call, if your neighbor's house is
burning down, right, then youjust call up nine one on You're like,
my neighbor's house is burning down,and nine one one's like, okay,

(55:59):
cool, where do you live?Will send fire trucks kind of thing.
But if you if they have animage of of your neighbor's house burning
down, they can tell many things. They can tell the severity of it,
they can tell you know, theparts that are burning, the size
of the building, the placement ofthe building, the composition of the building,
right, and so this is allvery useful information that AI social disaster

(56:20):
can then parse and get to thefirefighters. So if you're going to put
out a fire in a concrete building, you know, in a skydscraper or
something, that would look markedly differentas if you were to go try and
put out a fire in suburban neighborhoodswhere most houses are built almost entirely of
wood, right, Yeah, andso that the response would look very different.
So can it can That's one ofprobably my biggest pros to AI.

(56:43):
Yeah, I mean canter it canliterally save lives, which is amazing lives.
Yeah, now I got one morequestion for you guy, and then
I want to move on to anothertopic. But this is just a purely
your opinion question. Is the worldbetter off with or without AI? Overall?
Yes? The answer is yes,all right, I could I could

(57:06):
just do a like yes, refusesto extrapolate and leaves the coal right.
No, it's much better off becausebecause there are many people who love to
whine about I don't know if youguys were akin to the five G craze
right, Like, I never gotinto it, mostly because I don't have
a five G phone, but Iresearched it and found out and it's really

(57:27):
not that worth it. Yeah,exactly, So five G was going to
be the devil himself for many people, for many you know, people who
just kind of never go outside andtouch grass, which which they definitely should
by the way, gross touching hasproven to keep you plus health steps.
Yes, touch grass every day tobe better your health, better than going
to ross. No. But sofive G craze led to like people doing

(57:52):
galactically stupid things, from like notliking it on social media all the way
to in the UK they had aproblem where people were literally burning cell towers.
Um wow, that that they supposedhad five G antennas in them.
People were literally so horribly redoqalized thatthey were like, we must burn these

(58:12):
things to the ground, right,And then so that kind of happened,
And then five g's kind of here, like more or less, if you
live in an urban area, there'sprobably a five G network if you have
been, you know, right themodern West, even if it's even if
it's not even if it's not themillimeter wave stuff they have, but they
have some version of five GEN inmost places. Yeah, yeah they do.
Yeah. It's it's not perfect,it's not it's certainly not where it

(58:36):
was where it said it was goingto be because of all the backlash against
it. Um. But it's herein one form or another. And I
don't know about you, but peoplearen't just dying on mass in the street
because of millimeter waves. Like Idon't I don't see that. I don't
see that. I don't say thatdead body is piling up anywhere. I
think mutations. Yeah, I don't. I don't see anywhere. I don't

(58:59):
see like, yeah, half rabbits, half humans anywhere. So I think
we're good. Yeah, I thinkwe're are. I mean, I'm not
that worried at the end of theday. It's just another signal going through
the air, like yeah, I'mprobably okay. Yeah. Plus I didn't
get this pod vaccine, so itcan't control me. Yeah. But no,
that's the kind of the points Iwas going to make with AI.

(59:20):
Is this that people then whenever anew technology rolls around, people love to,
you know, either completely overestimate it'sgood or it's bad. So there
was a YouTube video, you shouldlook it up. It's like the children
of nineteen Like children in the nineteensixties predict what the year two thousand will
be like. And so it's likechildren. I believe it was interviewed by
the BBC in nineteen sixty six,they went around and interviewed a lot of

(59:46):
then school children about what they thoughtthe year two thousand was going to be.
Like. Common predictions ranged from anythingfrom flying cars and cabbage pills all
the way to the water levels havingrisen so badly that people can't live on
the end anymore, and we're allbeing like stuck up in the sky or
in the ground and guess what.Guess what neither happened. Well, guess

(01:00:12):
what the world is going to endin the world is going to end in
twenty thirty because of climate change.I just want all of you to be
where oh dang it. Yeah,Like there's tons of stupid predictions. People
said the world was going to endin two thousand and twelve. Um,
the world hasn't ended. It's twothousand and twenty three. You guys were
like, I don't know eleven yearslater in your predictions if it doesn't end

(01:00:34):
this year. But yeah, exactly. People are always predicting that the world
will end. Yeah, Like it'salways some moving like goal posts. They're
like, oh, it's gonna endin two thousand. No, no,
two thousand rolls around. We're stillhere. Oh, it's gonna end in
twenty twenty. Twenty twenty came andwe're still here. Oh, now it's
gonna end in twenty thirty. Wellwe'll see. Well, we'll see in

(01:00:55):
seven years when twenty thirty rolls aroundit they're right or not? Well,
I actually I think it's going toend on December twenty December thirty, twenty
twenty nine. What makes you saythat because it's a day before twenty thirty.
Oh, of course. Anyway,go on, terminator supposed to yea
terminator is supposed to take place intwenty twenty nine. Oh yeah, Well
we'll see if Skynet's the thing bythen. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

(01:01:19):
the thing. It's like a lotof older movies like always portray as like
AI like gonna be like this bigman made project that eventually turns against them
because it's gonna become so smart thatit becomes self aware, gains consciousness,
and then you know, starts toeradicate the humans. Right, And sometimes
there are aspects of the stories thatare told that do become true, like

(01:01:42):
parts of nineteen eighty four for example. Well, it's true in today's culture,
but nineteen eighty four, it didn'tlike draw the root problem to AI,
like no movie like Terminator would.I don't really think the root problem
is are I'm just saying there arecertain there are always certain aspects of any
story that might be true, butit doesn't mean that the whole story is
accurate. It's not like in nineteeneighty four was an actual prophecy of what

(01:02:05):
would happen in nineteen eighty four.I mean, the only thing, the
only thing I remember the actually yearin nineteen eighty four four is when the
Van Halen album was released. Sooh, well, that's a great thing
to happen in nineteen A Right,Yes, I wasn't. I wasn't doing
an existence in nineteen eighty four.Um, so I don't think anyone on
this podcast was doing an existence.Yeah, that's the only thing that pops

(01:02:27):
into mind when I think of it. My mom was boring in existence in
nineteen eighty four though, very nice, But yes, I yeah, no.
So that's that's my point kind ofwith the AI is everyone loves to
yet her around chat like this isgoing to be the end of the world.
Most likely it's not. It's atool we're yeah to it. It's
kind of like what happened, Yeah, Industrial Revolution, right, people thought
the world was over. They thoughtsewing machines were going to be the future,

(01:02:52):
labor was gone. Come to findis like hundreds of somebody like the
Internet even you know, um intwo thousand, they thought that all the
water and electricity was going to turnoff because the years zero zero. They
thought the computers will getting confused.We're here twenty three years later and nothing
happened. Fine, yeah, exactly, Like that's people love to come up

(01:03:16):
with dumb theories and pretend they knowthe future. Yeah, everybody likes the
screen, everybody likes the cry Wolf. Everybody wants to be the person to
predict the end of the world.But you know, yeah, yeah,
but the thing is that it's it'smost likely the world is not going to
end within any of our lifetimes orour children's lifetimes. Well, yeah,
looking at the course of history,like people love to predict, even just

(01:03:37):
like on religious basis, people havealways people have been calling that Jesus is
going to come back for at theend of the day. As Christians.
As Christians, we do know thatAI is not going to bring on the
end of the world right, likeJesus is going to come back when he
wants to, whether AI exists ornot exactly. I mean, there's nothing
in Revelation that says the world likethe world is going to be taken over

(01:03:59):
by AI. But actually, comeI saw John. He actually wrote um,
in something that we don't consider tobe canonical. Um, he said.
And then I saw a great whitelaptop with people behind it typing out
code no evil and the screen it'strue, he said. Actually I believe

(01:04:20):
it's in like the Gospel according toJohn, the part you didn't read,
verse one point like five where hesaid, and then I saw some guy
sitting in Starbucks on his MacBook pro. He was in fact writing um.
He was in fact writing the endof the world or something. And he
was and he was the anti Christ. Oh no, yes, he was

(01:04:42):
the anti I mean, whoa heused the MacBook right code. Oh my
gosh, Mac is of the devil. I've been telling you, Isaac.
But if he's the anti Christ,the window. But if he's the anti
Christ and he created windows, andthe anti Christ created windows. Literally,
Apple's logo is an apple with abite taken out of it. What do
you think that's a symbol for Isaac. The fruit, the fruit bro the

(01:05:06):
fruit of the knowledge of the hasa lot of colors in it. That
si sodomy to me. Oh no, yes, all right, folks.
Well we'll be back with our thirdsegment in just a moment. This guy
thanks so much for coming on.We will have you again for the next
topic, but we need a littlebreak to drink some water and take a

(01:05:29):
chill. Pill man. Yeah,that was intense. That was a very
intense discussion, but an awesome discussionon AI with a very knowledgeable person.
So I thought I might leave ayou know what second of silence there,
but you do welcome. You willback to the w Ritz podcast, the

(01:05:49):
third segment of it, in fact, honest most most intellectual stimulating just with
these other two gentlemen and discuss thedeep time not Sunday best, drinking our
refined beverages and showing you know ourseasoned uh, the seasoned peanuts as we

(01:06:15):
have a good old fashioned oh yes, um discussion. I must topics of
the day. I must admit Iam feeling quite um, quite British right
now. I mean I am Iam a descendant of with me of Yorkshire.
I am quite so. Actually,I am a descendant of the Mayflower

(01:06:36):
of people in the Mayflow. SoI am the as certain presented as British
as am I. Oh really soour ancestors were homies? Oh yes,
wait what what? Anyway, it'sjoy Today, in the midst of our
British accents, we will be discussingLGBTQ is him on a more global level,

(01:07:01):
because Sky has some more perspective onthis that we as Americans would not
necessarily those. For those viewers whodo not know, I forgot if I
mentioned this before. Sky is actuallynot of this continent. He's from a
far, far away, mystical,fantastical land known as South Africa. Yes,
fantastical is not the right word atall, but I will let that

(01:07:23):
fine. Okay, But in anycase, Sky, how does the LGBTQ
system situation culturally and even legally?I guess how does that? Uh?
You know, how is that different? And how is it the same in
other countries that you've traveled to oryou know, I've read a lot about.

(01:07:45):
That is a complicated question. Forone, they are not. So
first of all, I would liketo pone you both over the head for
your incredible bigotry. I'll have youknow that the correct acronym is now lgbt
Q two I A plus No,I can't care if you do not refer
to these personages in this uh inthis order. In the future you are
most bigoted and must be thrown outinto it will be a big blue liberals

(01:08:14):
well like me. Yeah, butluckily they're all ugly anyway, and use
they then pronounced. So what doI call? Yes, that means that's
true. But at the same time, so LGBTQ nous in other parts of
the world, Um, it's onlyreally a thing in Europe and North America.
I'm not going to lie. Mostother parts, well maybe Oceania you

(01:08:35):
could include, but that's kind ofthat's still pretty European culture, right,
Um. And so when when itcomes to places like Africa, the only
I think Uganda recently passed a law. Yeah yeah, I remember seeing yeah
post on Twitter about that. Yeahyeah, yeah, all all the all
the people were freaking out for somereason. I don't know why, but

(01:08:57):
all the gay people, because youknow, the people, the privileged people
in the US don't understand. Yes, exactly, yes, but so I
come from South Africa, which isthe only country in Africa now where it
is legal to be gay? Ohreally, and yes, if I'm not
mistaken, I'm sure some some keyboardwarrior will like Google Media, actually use

(01:09:18):
some obscure country you've never heard ofthat supposedly in Africa, then you can
be gay in But as far asI understood, it was South Africa and
Uganda. For the longest time,it's been totally illegal to be gay in
most parts of Africa basically forever.Right, you go to the northern parts,
you're like in the desert with likethe Arabs, and of course they

(01:09:39):
don't look very kind Oh yeah,people there right right, Yes, don't
look very kindly. As an understatement, um, you know, it's a
little bit of one to go to, you know, accurate links to describe
how unkindly they view those people.But yeah, they do. They don't
view them with the most gracious light. And then it's just kind of taboo
people kind of because in Africa youkind of you suffer in different ways.

(01:10:03):
So I was recently back to SouthAfrica and they have this thing called load
shedding. Now, load shedding isthe practice of turning off the electricity at
certain times of the day because thepower grid is totally mismanaged and there's not
enough power to go around, right, So load shedding has been getting progressively
worse in South Africa for ever since. I would say the nineteen nineteen ninety

(01:10:28):
five I would say is when itstarted. Well, no, maybe a
little later than that, but it'sbeen getting worse and worse, right,
And so this lends to economic instability, all kinds of stuff, People fleeing
the country. Everyone who can getout of South Africa has pretty much gotten
out, and so the struggles thatSouth Africa and the rest of Africa undergo
are way more survival oriented. Youdon't have the luxuries of sitting in your

(01:10:53):
fancy house with your air conditioning andyou're super deep on your your iPhone,
your iPhone, your iPhone thirteen andthen your union. Yeah, you're you
know, you don't have the latestiPhone, right, So so I've heard
someone was like, I'll define sufferingin such that it's not the latest iPhone

(01:11:14):
and how everyone's suffering. Oh,yes, you're you're obviously suffering because you
don't have the latest iPhone. MyiPhone works just fine and it's a few
years old. Man I'm contenting.No, I'll get into a whole tech
discussion, but but yes, definitelyso struggles in Africa a way more survival
oriented, right, It's it's moremuch more of what am I going to
eat tomorrow versus what is the greatergeopolitical state of indiation? You know,

(01:11:40):
who should I vote for in thatkind of thing? What am I going
to do this weekend? Oh no, I'm going to spend all my time
hunting and togethering and trying to findany morsel of nonsense that could passes food.
Right. That's kind of the AfricanThat's the applicant experience in America.
It's like, m so I justsat all day. Should I be depressed

(01:12:05):
and go to therapy? Oh?No, yep, Oh I'm gonna have
to go to therapys because I'm likeso traumatized by this thing that this person
on Twitter said to me. No, perfectly to our discussion earlier, because
like we're saying earlier that, like, you know, a lot of people,
especially in America, do not havemuch reason to be sad. I

(01:12:25):
mean, I'm sure there are acouple of people who have genuine reasons to
be sad, but for the grandscheme of things. Most people have it
pretty good. Yeah, and peoplein Africa, South Africa, it sounds
like they have a lot of reasonsto, like well, depressed about their
lives. And you know, it'sinteresting to me that LGBTQ. You know,
you said, it's really only takenover in the US and Europe,

(01:12:46):
and that's because we have allowed ourselvesto become so indulgent and so, you
know, we're so prosperous, andprosperity is a good thing, don't get
me wrong, but we have becomeso prosperous that we have thought that,
well, now I don't have toworry about what I'm gonna eat, I
don't have to worry about where I'mgoing to sleep, I don't have to
worry about my lives. So nowI have time to whine about my situation

(01:13:10):
on Twitter. Have those essentials toworry their portrays manufacturing something else to worry
about. Yeah, and now Ican say, now I can worry about
my sexuality because I don't have toworry about whether or not a lion is
gonna eat me today. Yeah.Yeah, I don't think that's a I
think that's a bit of a stereotype. Of aff I think, I think
the bigger dangers. But the realityis that the US and Europe we're all

(01:13:31):
rich countries, right yeah, andthat's oh yeah, definitely, yeah,
really rich, really rich. Sowhat one thing I find is that intellectual
in richer countries, right, LikeI've been I've been two more countries than
I am years old, and I'meighteen years old at this time. So
if I'm not mistaken, you've beento every continent except for Antarctica, right,

(01:13:55):
yes, um, but we cantalk about that another time. Yeah,
I just want to I just wantto make clear, like where what
corners of the world this man hasbeen to? He's been to every continent
except for Antarctica, yes, andis on the bucket list, So don't
worry. I want to become likea reach maybe a research scientist at a
station there or something. Oh that'dbe so good. Yes, but yes,

(01:14:17):
So when it comes to being gay, why are you gay? Why
are you gay? Why are youbay? I'm not you are okay,
you are gay, but no,I'm not so fundamental. That's like as
mimi as that is, and assilly and funny as that is, it
is the fundamental question that many peoplein like the Third World would ask if

(01:14:39):
you were gay. They would justlike why, Like it doesn't help anything.
You're just you're still struggling like therest of us. Why on earth
would you do this to yourself.We're not going to have any children.
You're not going to have any childrento help you out when you're old.
Yeah, exactly, that's okay.Yeah. That's another thing is Western culture
broadly, but like particularly in theUnited States and Europe, has devalued the

(01:15:00):
family. Right. The family usedto be. The family used to be
the fundamental building block politically, societal, the society economically best place through the
US, Like it was like theUS was built on the basis of like
the family unit, right, right, Like so many laws involved like having
a family, being part of afamily. It was economically beneficial to be

(01:15:25):
part of one. Like being aloaner was just not good. Yeah,
No, being a loaner was stupidbecause you would grow old. Everyone then
understood that one day you would growold and you would die. And in
those years before you died, whenyou were old, you can't provide for
yourself nearly as well as as youcould when you were young. Right,

(01:15:45):
that's a pretty. It's a prettywell known fact of human life. Everyone's
been doing it since since the fallin the garden. Yep. Everyone's been
living for a certain period of timeand then dying, right, and you
decay over that period of time.So people people understood that that being gay
and being lgbt Q two I Aplus U is not, in fact the

(01:16:10):
the best strategy for survival simply becauseyou you're not producing children, and you're
not producing a heritage that will oneday when you're old look after you.
Right. That's one of the manyreasons that's why sons are so strongly preferred
in poor countries to daughters, right, because they can they can work,
right, A son can carry onthe family name, and a son can

(01:16:30):
work. Okay, the other handsaid, okay, sexism, sexism,
No, but like I know,that's like super sexist, and probably a
bunch of people are getting triggered rightnow and getting right getting ready to right
nasty comments. And I'm so nastycomments. I'll just have you know,
I'm actually quaking in my boots rightnow. I know I'm going to go

(01:16:53):
to therapy because someone said nasty thingin YouTube video. No, yes,
oh but yes, so that's that'sone of the main reasons that keeps much
of the poor world ungay is becauseit's not it's not a good survival strategy.
No, one of the things thatit's not a good survival strategy,
among other things. Um, Ialso believe that it is, you know,

(01:17:15):
unethical. Yeah, I believe thatyou shouldn't like. One of the
major reasons that God brain fire onSodom and Gomorrah was because of their sexual
Yeah. It was, right,most sexually immoral city on the planet at
the time, or at least oneof them. M hm, it was.
It was horrible, And I believethere's there might I might be wrong,

(01:17:36):
but there might be a specific versesomewhere where it actually references how they
how the men liked men and thewomen liked each other and stuff like that.
And that's one of the reasons thatoutraged God's angels and made them come
down. Yeah, literally rained fireand brimstone from the sky. Yeah,
and bombed the place. Now,how there aren't many other you could say

(01:18:00):
God has done that with, likewhere he's literally knoked the city over it.
Now, how do people you know, how do people in South Africa
countries where it being gay isn't somuch looked upon as a um sign of
sexual liberation or whatever else we wantto call it. How do people in
those countries view countries like the USwhere it's like, you know, it

(01:18:23):
feels like it's almost encouraged here,right, especially especially more and more?
How do they view countries like that, like is there do they only just
ask like okay, well why oris there more hostility? Are they like
oh my gosh, really they're oh, oh my gosh, Like how how
do they view countries like the USand you know, Europe in Canada in
all those places that that really dependsso against South Africa is not the best

(01:18:45):
example because it's legal to be gayand the stigma around being gay is almost
none in South Africa because of itsincredible or an elec incredible because of its
European heritage. It just yeah,yeah, so would South Africa would be
like the most western like Western influencedcountry in Africa. Interesting, It's it's

(01:19:06):
one of the I'm gonna get I'msure Keyboard Warrior will be off for me
for this, but I would Iwould venture to say that South Africa is
the closest thing to a first worldcountry in Africa really interesting. Yeah,
all right, that makes some thingto say. And it's still it's still
um, it's still kind of clingingonto the remnants of uh something that was

(01:19:28):
there. That's one thing that Inoticed when I was there, is that
you can tell there obviously was somethingthere, like you can tell at some
point in time someone with Karen dedicationhad come and build something, and now
it's gone. Those evil coolonizers.No, the colonizers were the ones who
came and built something. H Maybemaybe the colonization isn't so bad after all.

(01:19:50):
Actually, a whole, a wholeother topic that I'm not going to
get into. But China's colonizing Africa. Oh really Yeah, it's one thing
that we Again, you don't reallyhear about it because it's very politically incorrect.
We need to whine and scream abouthow it was horrible and terrible to
colonize. And I'm not saying colonizationdidn't lead to evils. I'm thinking specifically
I was sping of Congo. Butit's an interesting topic. It's not inherently

(01:20:14):
evil, I'd say, No,colonization is not inherently evil, but it
can lead to a lot of Evils. I just finished reading The Heart of
Darkness, I believe, is thebook where it talks about all the all
the horrific stuff that Belgium did tothe Belgian Belgium did to the Democratic Republic
of the Congo and all like theinhumane slaughter and things like that. Um.

(01:20:38):
But but yeah, so, goinggoing back again, South Africa's kind
of clinging onto the remnants of firstworlderness, and so being gay is not
really um that stigmatized there, butmany places. One of the reasons I
would argue that places like Egypt,or not Egypt specifically, but many,
like many Arabic islam nations, hatethe U S so much is a because

(01:21:01):
the US is like in theory atleast, a beacon of light, right
in like democracy, you know,good Christian values, Western women not having
to oh no, yes women andbeing able to go to school and like
learn things and you know further theirown you know, existence and whatnot.
Um. But that's that's another aside. But I definitely being gay is definitely

(01:21:25):
one of the major reasons that theycome up with for hating and it's it's
it's I'm going to say it thisway, it's a pretty pretty understandable reason,
Like, I'm not I'm not thekind of person who advocates for violence
against gay people. I've I've quitea few. I would have to disagree
with that, Scott, I thinkyou are because words are violence in today's
culture. No oh, I supposethe words are violence, then I'm a

(01:21:47):
serial killer. But the words arenot violence. I hate to like break
it to whichever keyboard warriors not watchingthis podcast. So you're just using words
as an excuse to get angry.M exactly. So with the whole being
gay thing, many people understand thatit is not like what was that that

(01:22:11):
the US Army ad? Yeah,that was a yeah, like a year
ago or something. It was awhile ago, well semi recently, but
still like a year ago. Therewas like an ad where like this girl
with like two moms was like talkingabout how, oh she's been a warrior
entire life because she's spot for rightsand stuff and she's joining the army to
break stereotypes and stuff. And thenyeah, that was Yeah, that was

(01:22:36):
that. I remember watching that andbeing like, so the free world is
screwed anyways, because like then thendirectly you know how the YouTube algorithm works
is like, so you watch us, you watch army ads, so you
might be interested in this. Yeah. And I remember seeing a couple of
people like compare it to like Russianmilitary ads or I think it was Russia

(01:22:59):
military ads. Really like they wereshowing like like big dudes like doing like
workouts and like they were like likearming up and it was like super dark
and intense, and it was likethe uh, are you ready to fight
for your country or something? Andit was like it was like I don't
know. If I was rushing andI saw that, I would be like,
you know what I'm going I'm jointhe army. That seems cool.

(01:23:19):
That's that's what That's what army asare supposed to do. The patriotism.
Oh, I mean and as soonas you as soon as you make your
army add decatur to I mean Iam going to say. I am going
to say, as soon as youcater your army add to the most uh
messed up, weak, mentally unstablemembers of your society, the military is

(01:23:42):
no longer a place for strong peopleto go. It's this place for weak
people to go, not to fight. But I don't even feel accepted.
Yeah, I don't even think likeany like gay people saw that at anyone
were like, oh, I'm gonnago fight in the army. I think
they were just like I think theyjust wanted the option of being welcome to
be there. Yeah. Well,I mean we all know that if you're
gay, the military is a greatplace for you because it's a bunch of

(01:24:05):
men sleeping in the same ten andyou know, hanging out all day.
So you don't need any extra convincingif you're gay already to join the military.
Yeah woo No. But like definitely, like if I if I see
an army AD, it should betargeted ad. I hate to break it
to again, whichever keyboard warrior isstill watching, um, the the hypothetically

(01:24:29):
a good army AD is targeted towardsyoung men there. Yeah, it's just
that way, Like it's a senseof patriotism. Yeah, that's how it
should be because yeah, young youngmen are going to be able to do
the best job to fight and protectour country. Exactly. It shouldn't like
army. I'm not saying women can'tbe in the military. Again, that's
a whole other can of worms thatwe can discuss at a later date.

(01:24:53):
But the the the the general,the the makeup of an army would be
men, mostly young to mid agemen who are well trained and well disciplined.
Right, the army is not aplace you go to express your individuality,
to express your gain, is toexpress your whatever. I can't wait.

(01:25:13):
It's not a place of acceptance.It's a place to prepare you.
I can go out and fight otherpeople. I can't wait to express my
individuality and my own sexual feelings byshooting the enemy and going to boot camp.
Right, that is going to bevery helpful. Guys, I'm gonna
be so liberated by expressing myself throughthe brutal murder of my enemies. Um,

(01:25:35):
I think, I think, yeah, that's definitely so when people people
in other countries see that kind ofnonsense going on in the United States,
it doesn't elicit a sense of youknow, these guys are strong and know
what they're doing, right, right, So if you if, if you,
yeah, that's what happened with theBricks agreement that recently happened where Saudi

(01:25:55):
Arabia, which is one of thelargest oil suppliers in the world, if
not the largest, um decided tostop using the US dollar as its exchange
currency. Yeah, not our oil. Well, and you know, I
also read somewhere that like eighty percentof um Americans who are like in the
age range for to go to themilitary are like physically not fit enough to

(01:26:17):
do it, Like they wouldn't passthem or whatever. Yeah, it's a
fature they would frame you, Ithink. Yeah, but like even one
exams they wouldn't pass a while.So basically eighty percent of our you know,
eligibly aged people are not going tomake it to the military unless they
really get down on it and startgoing to the gym. Yeah, but
you know what will make them goto the gym harder than just like some

(01:26:39):
weak appeal to patriotism hunger? Yeah, oh you know what, why where
are you going with this? It'svery brutal, but the survival of the
fittest, right, And that's oneof the things that that America is kind
of destroyed, is that that kindof fundamental, very vicious, realist,
realistic Well, and you know,I would say I will say that one

(01:27:03):
of the reasons I think that youknow, we think about China, right,
China is becoming a world's superpower,whether we like it or not.
And trust me, we don't butChina is starting to become a world's superpower.
Yeah, it is because you know, they have an amazing economy.
Um, they don't pay you know, people work in sweatshops over there.

(01:27:25):
I understand that, but strictly fromlike a government income point of view.
Their export and all kinds of stuff, like you can't walk two feet in
America without finding something those made inChina. But at the same time,
their culture is Asian, say,they remain the survival of the fittest type,
like you have to do well inschool. You have to do this.
You have to do your absolute bestor else you're going to fall behind

(01:27:45):
the rest of the pack. Andit's not that they're hungry and they have
to work for their food. It'sbecause they have a lot of cultural pressure
to do well. And in America, cultural pressure is just express yourself,
be a Disney princess, feel happy, yay, whatever makes you happen,
unicorns and rainbow fire. If itdoesn't feel good, don't do it.
Yeah, a culture of excellence,that's what it's called. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:28:09):
Asia, like China specifically, butjust like Asian countries like Korea or
South Korea and Japan and China,they try to like cultivate a culture of
excellence. Yeah, that's why thestereotype of you know, the Asian kid
has like the strictest parents and likeif they get a bee, they're gonna
get disowned, right, And certainlythere's it's not it's not an inaccurate story.

(01:28:30):
Certainly, there are some like thereare some aspects about American culture that
I think are better than Asian culture, and there are certain aspects of Asian
culture that are better than America.Well, yeah, we're not We're not
saying that America should be like Chinawhere take away people's rights if they don't
do well in school. That theculture, our culture is very lenient.
Yeah, the culture of Asia ismuch harder. Like it's a harder culture.
You know, you have to dobetter there and here you're just going

(01:28:54):
to be here. You can justbe a failure and play Xbox all day
and your parents' basement, right andgo to therapy or start a podcast more.
No, that's that's not a verythat's not a very failure thing to
do, assuming that you don't thatyou're not old enough to own your own
house. Okay, so there,yeah, but like yeah, so the
cultural differences. One of the majorones that I think America should, um,

(01:29:16):
you know, kind of inboard from, just like Asia, I guess,
is the the ungainness of it andunderstand they kind of understand that,
you know, being gay is notlike the best idea. It doesn't do
well for many reasons. Right.Luckily, it's bad because children are an
economic driver, right like people peoplewho are gay tend to be way richer

(01:29:41):
simply because they don't have children.Amazing, A family is kind of expensive.
Well yeah, but yeah, likespending, Like, not spending money
is not better for the economy,you're just hoarding. Yeah, well,
the pendulum kind of goes both ways, because I don't really want to live
in the Middle East, where youknow, everything is regulated like sure there
are no gay people, ye,but women are also insanely regulated. Like
you know, every culture can havesome leniency towards you know, gay people,

(01:30:08):
for example, like you can't youknow, you don't you don't want
to put him in prison camps forbeing gay. But at the same time,
our culture has swung so far inthe other direction. I want to
kill where it's like people you couldgo to a concentration camp for being straight.
At this point, Like, let'sbe honest, there are people in
the world that would endorse that.There are tons of peoples, yeah yeah,
like racist, and it's it's abalancing act. There will always I

(01:30:30):
think there will all there will,they have always been, and there always
will be gay people. But well, yeah, it's it's part of signature.
You're never gonna totally eradicate sin untilJesus comes back, so exactly exactly,
there will always be gay people.And I don't hate a person purely
because they're gay. Like I'm notgoing to be that guy who, when
he finds out you're gay, stopstalking to you and shudders you and like

(01:30:53):
it gives you weird looks and startstreating you at crapped you. Yeah yeah,
And like that's not even like aChristian to do. That's like the
exact opposite of what you're supposed todo is ach But you're not like as
a Christian, you're not supposed tolike endorse their sinful behavior. But you're
not supposed to like completely shun themor like treat them like crap because they're

(01:31:15):
you know, gay, because likeyou're a sinner too. I mean,
you may not be gay, butthat doesn't mean you're not a sinner.
So, like, definitely, ifeverybody like shunned each other for any sin
they did, nobody would ever befriends. Everybody would just beat Yeah of
God, Yeah, amen, Amen, Yes, I believe that's in Romans.

(01:31:36):
One night could be wrong again,Yeah, I think it's definitely a
Roman, but it's definitely somewhere,definitely somewhere in Romans. Yeah, yeah,
but definitely so Princess. Like mymy hairdresser, he is a he's
gay right now. One thing thatI found is that a lot of people
in the creative arts are actually incrediblygay. I don't even know why.

(01:31:58):
It's just that, Yeah, thatstereotype. Yeah, but it's yeah,
it's accurate, it's it's very it'sit's relatively accurate. I'll say that much.
But like he, my gay hairdresser, is a an amazing hairdresser,
a nice person all around. Okay, Like you wouldn't know looking on the
face of him that he is gay. Okay, you can tell, you
can maybe tell that you know something'ssomething's off. He's not like totally normal.

(01:32:24):
But at the same time, no, normal is a construct that I
think is a bit stupid. Everyoneis in individual and all different, so
we how are we all going tobe the same while being different? Yeah?
Not not. Everybody's in a Imean not gonna lie, I'm not
gonna say who. There are somepeople at my church that if they weren't
Christians, I would totally think theywere gay. Wow. Wow, that's

(01:32:45):
that's a weird take. But allright, not because they are, it's
just because everybody's different. Yeah,exactly, It's true. It's true,
definitely. But like the again,my gay hairdresser, he's a very chill
guy. And here's the nasty part. He's nicer than like ninety percent of
Christians that I run into. I'mnot I'm not making that up. I'm
just say that's that's the that's thenasty truth that many people don't want to

(01:33:12):
talk about when it comes to beinggay, is that many of these people
are just nice people. They're justyeople who have been hurt in some way
and so now they're like reacting bybeing you know, a little a little
a little weird, but at thesame time nice. On the face of
it, he's a very he's avery amiable guy. He's more than willing
to have conversations, he says dumbstuff like, well, I was talking
to him about you know, hewas he was naturally kind of upset about

(01:33:35):
the ungay law in Uganda, wherethey kind of ast it being you know,
it's no longer gay and you can'tbe gay and Uganda horrible, terrible.
He was upset about it. Idisagreed with him on that fact.
I think it's a I think it'sa pretty pretty good law. Um,
which I don't I don't know.I don't know the emanations and the numbers
of this specifical specific law. ButI can agree that overall being gay is

(01:33:59):
like not the best thing. Butat the same time, I can do
that without you know, wanting tomurder every single gay pers I see,
right right. Yeah, So yeah, he's talking about it, he says
some dumb stuff. But then onething that many people, many people again
in our polarized culture, don't understandis that you can just kind of agree
to disagree and move on. Andso that's exactly what we did on that

(01:34:19):
specific specific topic. He was like, oh, this is so horrible,
so terrible. I talked to himabout it a little bit and tried to
convince him he wasn't really convinced,So then we kind of moved on and
just started talking about Ill, Yeah, there's no reason for him to not
like cut your hair just because,Yeah, I don't. I don't hate

(01:34:39):
him, I don't you know,I don't hate him. I don't wish
all hell upon him, and I'mprobably gonna go back to him because he's
a pretty good hairdresser. And yeah, so like that. That's one thing
that many people, particularly in America, don't understand, is that there can
be a middle ground. And thisis one thing that people in Europe,
at least when it comes to beinggay in certain of Europe have kind of

(01:35:00):
understood, is that being gay,whatever you think of it, should be
strictly eighteen A okay, it shouldbe strictly adult. And so I was
reading an interesting news report about howthey don't teach kids in school in life.
I believe it was the UK umabout about gayness until the last year
of school. They just don't like, they don't mention it, they don't

(01:35:23):
anything it. When you're a seniorin high school, they kind of talk
about it, but then once you'reeighteen, that's still something that's could do.
Mostly up to the parents though.Yeah, it's better than America.
Yeah, that's true. It's that'sexactly what I'm saying. Whatever you think
about being gay, you should keepit away from the kids, exactly.
And that's that's exactly what people inAmerica haven't done. Is now they're teaching

(01:35:45):
everyone to be gay, that thetwo year olds must be gay, they
must be waiting, and that andthat and that. It rates a lot
of people, all right, Sobeing gay with like all the people it's
with, with the kids in particular, it doesn't It doesn't help people.
It doesn't help people's perception of acountry in general. If you are,
if you as the United States arelike so, so we're not only going

(01:36:09):
to make it legal to be gay, but we're gonna like enshrine it in
our culture that you essentially must begay otherwise, you know you not not
just you, mind you, Youand your children when they as soon as
they come out of the womb,they essentially must be waving in the project.
Well, no before before because wecan't assume their gender, right,
Um, we can't do that.But are you saying that they're a wife

(01:36:30):
before they're born? Oh wait,it's not like it's not like we can
dig up their skeletons and tell youwhether or not they were in fact men
or yeah, yeah exactly. No. I saw this. I saw this
Twitter post the other day. Itwas some guy um and he was like,
look, being straight is not athing. Either you're gay, or
you're lesbian, or your trans oryour something or other, but there there

(01:36:50):
are no straight people. Like everyonehas their own sexual identity and there is
no there is no preset sexual identitythat anyone can have. Everybody has their
own, whether they realize it ornot. And like, uh, anyway,
no, bro, when you dieand in a hundred years, for
some reason, people want to studyyour body, maybe because you were a

(01:37:12):
raving lunatic and they wanted to learnwhat possessed to do that just found a
skeleton, Yeah, in their backyards. Like, you're either going to be
a man or a woman. Andsure you can be a gay man or
a lesbian woman, but you're stilla man or a woman. And I
think most people are going to assumethat you were straight, just because I
mean, hey, yeah, let'sbe honest. Supposed to go and ask

(01:37:33):
the carcasses or of people who diedhundreds of years ago how they identify,
Like, how exactly are we goingto know this? Like, I'm sorry
if I'm mis gendering a skeleton.Should we should provide paperwork in the coffin?
Oh of course, yes? Rightyeah, like right, yeah,

(01:37:53):
yeah, Like what are you identifyingas today? Oh? You didn't die
today, We have to check againtomorrow. What are you identifying as today?
Oh? God to there's like no, get them like dog tags like
in the military, but put pronounson them. Yeah. I Meanwhile,
like, you know, actually usefulinformation like this person was I don't know,
lived in this year and did thisthing. Yeah. Meanwhile, the

(01:38:15):
person they're asking has alzheimer, sothe sexual identity changes every other hour.
Oh no, oh, we gottaredo your paperwork again. About the neo
pronouns, you know, all thosepronouns this is in the what pronouns are
you to use when referring to thisdead person? Bro? This is there's

(01:38:36):
just no end of the interesting,That's all I'm going to see. Yeah.
So anyway, you know, tosummarize that very very long tangent,
that's not even a tangent, that'sjust that's the whole discussion. It's straight
up facts. Spit by you knowSky here to wrap that all up,
Um, don't be gay. That'sright, it's it's true. If I

(01:38:58):
had the soundboard clip right now,I would play the why are you gay?
Why would you really? I don't, but yes, well maybe we'll
add that. Maybe we'll add thatin. Yeah, maybe we'll add that
in a no dude anyway, Sky. That'll be it for this episode.
So well, guys, officially ourlongest podcast ever. Yes, yes,
please please lead us out of thepodcast their sky. Yeah. So okay,

(01:39:23):
wait, what's the thing, whyare you gay? No? Oh,
yes, I remember it. Ialmost forgot my own thing. Sorry,
oh my god. Cow for now, don't kill the cow bill on
vegetarianism and we can start again later. Kill the chicken instead, that's right,
Eat more chicken Chick fil a,all right? By this po