August 7th - Leadership & Organizational Development

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Wellness and Healthy Lifestyle show on your VOCM. Now,
here's your host, doctor Mike Wall.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to the show. I'm your host, doctor Mike Wall.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Today's episode is about something we all strive for but
often struggle to define. How do we truly live well
and what does it mean for our health, our work
and our happiness.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm joined by.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Albert Gilbert, a leadership consultant, strategist, and someone I call a.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
True artisan of life.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Albert is the co founder of the FETA Institute based
in Barcelona, and his work is all about helping people
perform at their best without losing their health, balance, or purpose.
In today's conversation, we dive into some powerful themes what
purpose really means, why slowing down can actually move you forward,
how to reconnect from you're feeling.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Off track, and why your body might be telling.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
You things your mind has been ignoring. Whether you're a
busy professor, show a parent juggling one hundred things, or
just someone who wants to feel more aligned, this episode
is packed with insights to.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Help you live better, not just work harder. There's a
lot to cover, so let's get to it. Hi, Albert
welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hi Mike, thank you for inviting me to your show.
On those leads a great pleasure for me. That's fantastic.
I'm really glad you could be here today. And I
think that for our listeners, we've got an interesting way
of connecting ourselves. We met through some common friends, but
you've got a really interesting approach to the way you
deal with business and consulting.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yes, So, if I had to sum it up in
what I'm sentence, I would say that I helped lead
those organizations perform at their best without losing their health,
balance or purpose. I'm the co founder of the Fita Institute.
Fita is a Catalan word that means the milestone. So

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we are are a consultancy boutique based in Barcelona.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
And from there we work globally.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
My work combines business, a strategy and leadership development. I've
worked with leaders across different industries and I've learned that
when people feel clear about where they are going, balance
in how they get there, and connected to their purpose,
they achieve more and the most important, they enjoyed the

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journey because at the end of the day, healthy people
build healthy organizations.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I agree g Greet completely. As part of that is
your journey.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
You travel to Canada. You came here to expand your horizons,
meet other people. That's how we connected. But you seem
to learn a lot by doing and also by living.
Is there a particular experience or a turning point that
really shaped how you understand health and what you said earlier.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Really important purpose? Yeah, let me share a story that
really shaped my perspective.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
A few years ago, I was working with a high
performer nujecative team. On paper, they were incredibly successful numbers
where our market share was growing, but in reality they
were disconnected and constantly firefighting. That experience taught me that
success without health vias, physical, emotional, organizational is not sustainable.

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It made me double down on the idea that clarity,
balance and purpose are not because shable if you want
long term results.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
And that's the thing. So you deal a lot with
business leaders, but people are leaders in different aspects of
their life too. They can be partners, they can be children,
they can be parents, they can be siblings, and having
this sense of purpose is really important. I went to
Okanawa a few years ago and I found they really
valued the importance of purpose, you know, so maybe it's

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important to get to the root of it. What does
purpose mean to you? And how do you help people,
no matter what their role, whether it be business or life,
sort of reconnect with their purpose.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
For me, purpose is the reason you get out of
the burning that goes beyond to the least. So for
leader's purpose is a filter of decision making. It helps
you say yes to what matters and to say no
to what distracts. I help people reconnect with it by
exploring their values, their big moments in life, and the

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impact they want to have. Once that's clear, work becomes
more meaningful, a life feels more aligned. For me, purpose
isn't an astainment. It's the daily choices you make. Sometimes
simple things are done. We have to be honest with
ourselves and look at how we do what we do,

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how much desire we have, how much before we put
into it? Are we committed to what we do? Is
it possible that we don't want to do what we do?
Could it be that we are not convinced by what
we do? And if so, is it possible that we
are not connected to that?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
That is that we're not able to connect with our purpose.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, it's interesting because I do think that people define
what purpose is differently. But this whole idea of being
the reason you get into bed, that kind of extends
across different ages. Like what gets you out of bed
as a little kid is maybe being excited to go
do something. As an adult who's retired, it's maybe contributing
or doing something to the community. So I do think
that's an important, you know, distinction with it. And when

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we look at the world of wellness, because this is
really what this show is about, is wellness. We often
talk about slowing down, and if you're dealing with business
people on a regular basis, I'm sure that comes up.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
You're dealing with high performers.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
How do you help people do a little bit less
to allow them to do more at the same time, Like,
is there a balance that can be reached that actually
allows them to be optimized as opposed to just go
full on the whole time.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, this might surprise you, but slowing down is often
the fastest way forward. High performance often treat life like
a sprint, but.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's actually a series of marathons.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I saw then that recovery is not a work is
part of performance.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
When they create a.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Space for thinking, resting, or reflecting, the illusions improve, creativity grows,
and they achieve more with less wasted energy.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's interesting, you know that is there a okay? So
just going a little bit deeper into that. Do high
performers feel guilty whether they're not going at full speed
all the time? Because I feel like that happens with
parents too, high performing parents or any role that we take. Seriously,
do people have trouble not being in that top gear? Yeah,
because the society.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Puts us in this way of thinking that we have
to be perfect in everything we are doing. So it
seems that to rest put us off our from our past,
our way in lives. But we are humans, so we
need to rest, We need to reconnect with our things involved.
We need to be involved in everything that we are doing.

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So we need to be humans in a human being
and a human being in all our aspects, you know.
So it's not about it seems sometimes that we are acting,
that we are acting for the others, and we need
to act for ourselves and take care of ourselves. So

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if we can go out from ourselves and look at
us from the distance, what we are looking at where
we are in what aspects are we paying attention of us?
What are surprise surprising us from ourselves? So this kind

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of so these postals also help people to reconnect and
to be more conscious about with what they are doing
in lives.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
So for me it's very important. Yeah, well that you
kind of just brought me to another thing.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
You know, I was reading a lot of your work
leading up to this because I do find it really intriguing.
I love the idea of coaching people that really tend
to be high performing. And you use the term awareness
a lot, right, and I think that a lot of
time we might just be a little bit unconscious, like
we're not aware of what's going on. You know, what
does it look like day to day when somebody sort

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of gets a sense of awareness And is this like
the starting point being aware you might be doing something
wrong where growth actually happens.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, But for me, awareness is starting line any transformation.
So it's about noticing, noticing your energy, your solves, your habits,
the impact.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
On all us day to day.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
It would be as simple as asking ourself, am I moving?
Don't worr what mathos We're just moving? Of course it
involves being on us with yourself.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Without ourordness, we can make conscious choices. We just react.
Is only a reaction, it's not a conscious action.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I'm speaking with Albert Gilbert about purpose, performance and living
with intention. We've got more great insights coming up, so
don't go away because we'll be right back after the break.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
We're here with Albert Gilbert exploring what it really means
to live well, from finding purpose to reconnecting with our energy.
Let's get back to it correctly. If I'm wrong, but
I'm in safety. They used to say that there was this.
The first level of learning is called unconscious incompetence. You're
really unaware that you're doing something wrong, and then you

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hit incompetence, so now you're aware you're doing something wrong.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
And then you.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Reach conscious competence because you're you know you're wrong, you
start to do it right, and then eventually.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That competence becomes unconscious.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Like that seems like convoluted, but like you have to
know you're doing something wrong before you can start to
do something right. Are there a lot of blind spots
people have? Like what are the things that most people
are doing wrong that they forget about like that they
kind of miss in day to day life.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
That keeps them from being aware. Yeah, and also it's
very important to accept the failure. Is that to be
conscious about.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
When we are wrong is also a kind of acceptational
in mid cell because we have the pressure that it
put us in a situation that we think that failure
is not possible and we need to fail. For example,
for innovation, if you don't have I ask for many
companies sometimes okay, of your focus is innovation. Okay, what's

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your budget for for failure?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Oh no, no, we are innovating. We are not. We
have no budget for the mistakes. Okay.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
If you don't have budget for mistakes, you never will
innovate because you need to fail to improve, to change
the things. So you need to check many, many things
to try to do in different ways, to try to
do different things. And if you don't have this mindset,
this innovation is not possible. You don't have a space

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in the company for innovation. Just to be perfect, and
to be perfect is the opposite to innovate.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
See I love that, and I think the die extends
to life too.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Right. We have to make mistakes on light before we
realize what we need to do and what doesn't work
for us and what does work for us.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
So that brings me to the next sort.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Of point of it, and that is that a lot
of people may be unconscious and also not really succeeding
when it comes to their health. They maybe feel disconnected
from their body. They they don't feel motivated, they feel
off kilter. How do you help them start to shift
back into this alignment of taking care of themselves.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
It's a good question for me.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
The most important is to start with a preciative inquiry,
with curiosity, never with judgments. I invite them to explore
what it changes around, what's missing and what they truly need.
Often an alignment comes from smallest steps, adjusting a routine,

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sometimes having an honest conversation, helping them to reconnect with
something in their love or to reconnect with the purpose.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So that pressiative in quite is the first step.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, like especially things that are familiar, like you said
that Greek connective with the passion or something that they
love doing.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I feel like as we get.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Busier in life, we sort of migrate away from those things,
those hobbies, those things that really made us happy, and
we try and fill it with more work, But I
feel like those things are just as important. Many ways
to allow us to separate from work, get a new
perspective and.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Come back to it.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Is that what you kind of mean when you try
and reconnect them with things that align with them.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they need to love what they do.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
If not, if there is not a connection about desire, motivation,
a what they are doing, about the purpose of what
they are doing, it's very difficult to find balance in
their lives to accept that they are doing the way
that they want to do. So they need different points
of connection with the project, with the things that they

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are doing in life.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's very difficult to feel that.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
They are doing what they want to do. They need
to be connected with some part of the reality in
their lives. It's like a next step wark. It's very
difficult to find a connection. Yeah, you got to say
grounded with something that you know you love. I think
that that makes sense to me too.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
What I get in a funk and I struggle and
I'm lacking motivation, and maybe even my excitement around work
or whatever is starting to weigh in a little bit.
I try and get the best shape I can get in,
or at least I try to engage my body and
my mind in a way that's like physical in nature
or takes care of myself right Like, so when I
get tired, I'm kind of like, I take this proactive

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approach to what can I do to energize my body
that might make my mind a little bit better. Do
you ever take that approach where you look at the
mind body side of relationship and how to engage those
two together.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, very similar.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Time this is that they described that it's very important
because they have to connect. They are physically cessations with
the minds. Also because our bodies are telling us many
things that we are noticing as many many information that
sometimes we need on or pay attention on it. But

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they are constantly giving information. They are constantly providing information
for us. But I were unconscious sometimes put us.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
A far from this situation.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
So I need to put attention why I'm feeling so
bad every week every Sundays, and I start feeling bad
because probably one day morning I have to come back
to the war your body.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
You are expressing constantly many things.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So I remember when a part of my life is
almost twenty five years I was working for financial inst
traditions and I remember the two or three four Thursdays
on my holidays. I always felt very, very bad.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I was very sick because my body was keeping me
on fire every day every day. And when I was
relex it, finally the body let yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I know a ton of people like that, Like they
can't enjoy their vacation. It takes them at least four
or five days to break it. And then a lot
of the time they tend to get sick on vacation
because they're so worn out and their body goes, oh,
I have a chance to relax, and then they.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's really interesting, And I think, okay, so maybe maybe
this leads to another side of things.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So somebody has a lot of responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I think about a lot of my friends that have
jobs and they've got kids, and they're balancing and juggling
all the important things in.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Life, right, and it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Sometimes they tell me that they get on autopilot, right,
And what's a way that somebody can start to live
with like, I guess what's the word?

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Intention?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Maybe when they're busy or overwhelmed, to remind them of
like why they're doing all.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
This stuff is intention The right word.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I see is that you need to understand and to
pay attention because it's not easy for us because.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
We don't learn to do that.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Nobody teaches us in the past, when we went to school,
when we went to high school, when we went to university,
Nobody shows us how to be prepared for that. So
we are adults and we spend many times in doing
very important things for in our professional context. But this

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is a basic things that maybe new generations could have
in their lives better than asset. You know, we are
part of our generation. At least in Europe or in
my country. It was not considered in the past. So
now maybe new generations they will have an easy approach
to that.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, maybe they'll learn from some of the mistakes we made.
I know there's been a lot of progress. Every generation
has its own contribution, but yet I definitely see opportunities
for people to have more balance in their life. And
let's talk about your own personal philosophy here now, because
it's quite interesting, kind of like an artisan of life.
And you know, what does that really mean for you?

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What does a well lived day look like for you?
Were you giving people advice on how to live better.
What does it look like for you?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Wow? To be an artisan, it means being intentionally how
I shape my day like craftsman shapes, they don't work.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
So I well lived today has moments of focus, moments
of connection for me, moments of movement of course, moments
of joy, and moments of rest.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That I need.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
On a professional level, I like to approach new projects
almost ignoring what I know, just putting the project in
the center of my attention. So active listening will with
all my sense is very important to rest the needs
of each project, especially when the client doesn't know what
they need, or even more so when they see they

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know attactically don't. Because of these the resulting organizational development
in each project will always be different. That's why I
say I work as a craftsman. Durkisan, I'm speaking with
Albert Gilbert about purpose, performance and living with intention. We've

(19:22):
got more great insights coming up, so don't go away
because we'll.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Be right back after the break. Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
We're here with Albert Gilbert exploring what it really means
to live well, from finding purpose to reconnecting with our energy.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Let's get back to it.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I love that, and I think that's that's a little
bit of an easier approach for people to apply to
their lives that may have different life circumstances too. It's
finding those little moments that are important to us. And
you know you mentioned physical health, you mentioned a connection
like meaning you in your life? How do you put
those in? And so for example, Ma'll give you first example.

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I go to the gym with my friends in the
morning and myself and my wife and the summer walk
around the lake and we get all this time before
work starts. So we have our time together and we
have moments of joy in connection but also physical How.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you do that in your life? Yeah? For me,
physical health is the foundation.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
So it gives you the energy to be present for connection,
to pursue meaning and to enjoy life fully.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Without it, everything else becomes harder.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I have the privilege of living in a very small
buildage in the middle of the cattle and priness in.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Spain, close to the French world.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Almost every day I go hiking at sunrise, and it's
my way of connecting with a new day and the
moment to confirm, make commitment and connection to my purpose,
and I tell myself something like, yes, today I want
to continue doing what I do because it's my passion,

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because I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So it's like the moment to.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Visit my fundamentals and to be connected, to be over
connected in the new day because I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So for me, that is the foundation. Yeah, I love
that of my physical health as well. Yeah, I mean
that's good. That sounds a little bit like what we do.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
We go for a walk around the lake and we
have our chance to talk about our day and what
we're about to face. So we've got a bit of
a game plan. We got each other, give each other
some feedback. I do think that that's really important. That
whole early to bit, early to rise is a good
saying because you can get a lot done when you
wake up in the morning, and you can add your
physical activity at the beginning of the day. But see,

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most people I feel like and I'm the same way.
I think everybody's the same. We're all looking for like
one big fix, right Is there one big fix or
is it like a series of smaller habits that kind
of lead to success.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I think I will live in a small at it.
So for me.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
We are very connected to our smartphones, very connected to
social media.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
For me, one of the smallest but most.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Powerful shifts is protecting the first and the last thirty
minutes of your day.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So start and end with intention.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
No emails, no social media, no smartphones, just something that
sets the tone and close the day.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well you know.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
So it is like to preserve these moments in the
at the beginning, at the end of the day, to
be with you, to be connected with you, to have
the check in and check out of the day. It's
conscious just paying attention on what will happen during the day,

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asking yourself, revisiting your wives, and at the end of
the day also review what you did during the day,
just thinking, okay, if tomorrow happens something like this. Another
option for that could be blah blah blah. And also
to calm down and start your breast period. Also an

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eye during the night.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
So that for me is this.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Is a very simple action, a very a small action
to various small actions.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
That could help all of us in this crazy world
that we are leaving today are we?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
And you know it's funny every time I interview somebody,
I get little tidbits. I mean half of doing this
show is somewhat selfish because I want to learn as well.
I get a chance to pick people's brains that really
know their stuff, and that's something that really resonates with me.
You just said it's thirty minutes at the beginning of
the day to be disconnected, to be present with yourself,
to wake up on your own and around the people

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year around as opposed to being on your phone while
you're around them, and then at the end of the
day to really put the phone away. That's something I
think a lot of us struggle. With me included is
having that thirty minutes of silence before bed. It probably
helps calm your mind to sleep better as well. Exactly, Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, Okay, so let's keep on going with the wellness
thing because I always like to hear people's philosophy on wellness.
Do you think wellness is more about like adding new
habits in or is it about taking some of the filler,
the stuff we don't need in our life out. And
if we are going to remove something, it's kind of

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like cleaning.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Out your garage, Like you don't want to get rid
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
How do we know that we should get rid of
something that doesn't serve us anymore.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think it's both.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
But subtraction is off on our vote. Something glossystely, it
rains our energy. It's probably time to let it go.
Our bo These on minds you only know before us do.
They send signals and we just have to listen. Listening,
I'm being conscious to our bodies is always very important,

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as we mentioned before, So I think it's very important.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I found that as I've gotten older, I've been able
to say no to things that might not serve me
or make the big of an impact, and then focus
more on things that I can do a better job
at as opposed to being like the saying spread too thin,
having too many balls in the air. You know, like
the less things you do, the more you can do
them with quality, and usually the people you're doing them
with or for appreciate that more. Is that also a

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common thing of high energy people is to take on
too much stuff?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, because people, we are prepared just for our goals
and not prepare how to reach the goals. So we
are doing things because we want the goal, but we
are not paying attention on how we are doing for
reached it all, so it's more being conscious of the
process will help also because the result will be better.

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So people like organizations as well. If we are focused,
for example, the status or mourney or benefits, we are
losing the focus we are all that are the consequences
of the how we do. What we are doing, So
we need to put the energy on on our actions.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Our actions are.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Showing everything about us, about the companies, about organizations. So
how we are acting, how organizations are acting.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
As well, shows how are they doing. So we need
to be conscious.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
To be conscious is hard because we haven't been traded
about us.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm speaking with Albert Gilbert about purpose, performance and living
with intention. We've got more great insights coming up, so
don't go away, as we'll be right back after the break.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
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Speaker 2 (27:14):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
We're here with Albert Gilbert exploring what it really means
to live well, from finding purpose to reconnecting with our energy.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Let's get back to.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
It now and we have things try to get our
attention all the time, So I guess it's we have
to pick our battles appropriately. But when we sometimes go
through challenging times, we can experience.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
A lot of discomfort. And one of the things I've
learned about change.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Especially if it was the lifestyle, health, or the way
we live our lives, is that discomfort is given. What
do you think of people experiencing discomfort when they're making changes?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well,
for me, this goll foria is a fun the doorway
to row for me. The key is something light distinguishing
between this too.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
If this go for and grows this go for So
the first breaks you down, obviously, but the other builds
you up. So I've learned to lean into the latter.
The first step in and transitioning is always the hardest one.
So this go for getting out of the cofot zone

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is a.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Great driver for everyone.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
So it's difficult because it's uh get out of the
comfort zone is It's not easy as well because we
have not been trained for that, and we are in
a wall that it seems that we have to be
perfect in everything and it's.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Not the way to be.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
It's like you rembind you Okay, So what I want
to talk to you about is this this freedom from perfection.
I see it in health sight all the time. There's
people that are doing better, and that's fantastic. That's the
best thing we could ever ask is if they're struggling
and they start to do better, that's great, But they
give themselves a hard time to not being perfect by
whatever metric they're comparing themselves to. I feel like this

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freedom from perfection gives us a freedom.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And other parts of our life.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
What does freedom mean to you when it comes to lifestyle,
but also how we show up for ourselves in day
to day life.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Freedom to me means living in alignment with my values
and not being trapped by other people expectations. So it's
always choosing calciously rather than reacting automatically. So it is
more to be conscious about I have doing, not about

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a reaction that it's because I'm considering every time what
I'm expected to do.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And yeah, I think that expectation of what we're expected
to do. A lot of that comes from work, and
obviously you work with a lot of people in the
workplace and sometimes just when I talk to somebody who
doesn't enjoy their work. It kind of makes me sad
sometimes because it's such a big part of your life.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
We spend so much time at work.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
And not every job can be the most exciting or
exhilarating or joyful job. But what's your advice to people
about how they can maybe find some joy and some
health and some meaning in their work.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, people, Sometimes people think that work is our enemy life.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
But work is not the enemy of life. It's a platform.
It's a platform for it. When you integrate who you
are with what you do.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Word becomes a source of joy and meaning that rewise obviously,
clarity purpose, as we said before, not just a paycheck,
but the same for any kind of organization. The level
of corporate health depends on the relationships between people inside

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and outside organization employees, customers, suppliers, and this level of
corporate health can also be seen in all of these
people present in the same ecosystem. But well, the level
of corporate health is also closely related to whether the

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strategy is healthy or not, or to the corporate values themselves,
or for example, if the communication is healthy or not,
if the most important thing is making money. As I said,
before growing or any other kind of reward. It's a
shortcut to a healthiness for the organization, for the people

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involved in this project as well.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So for me, money size, any reward.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Will always be a consequence for how the different operating systems.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
In the corporate function.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
If systems don't work, generate these fine shops in organizations.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's why I always.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Say that an organization is like living being in all aspects,
so it's like a human body.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, so the workplace has to take care of itself too.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It's really interesting you said that sometimes if the values
don't align, if it's all about the bottom line, that
comes with a cost, and that cost tends to.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Be our joy or happiness.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
And I'm sure that's not the case in all situations,
but I think that yeah going to work because if
you want to make a difference or you enjoy what
you're doing, there's a huge amount of value there that
doesn't have necessarily a price tag. You know, we talked
a lot about philosophy today, right, Like, I mean, I
wanted to talk to you because I like your philosophical
approach towards things. I love hearing what you have to say.

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But there's people that are listening right here, and they
might feel a little bit off track, maybe physically or emotionally,
or maybe even spiritually.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
You don't they're just kind of not themselves.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
What's the thing you'd invite them to reflect on to
try and reconnect and get that spark back in their life.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Well, I will invite them to oppose and ask themselves.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
What do I really need right now?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Not what others respect, not what's urgent, what's truly need?
Then take one small action in that direction now today,
as soon as possible. Because transformation often the starts with
a single intentional step. So the most difficult step in
transformation in each process of change.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Is the first step.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
So the first step would be very very small. We
can ask ourselves this question as as individuals, and we
can also ask it from the organization.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So we are invited to do that every time every day.
For me, is very very important. I try to do
that myself.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I'm also with the people around me, also with my
clients and my approach for me, I'm very very toneus
with that.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's fantastic. I really appreciate it. I know I picked
up a ton of things here today. You've reinforced a
couple of things that I wasn't sure why they felt right.
I've picked up a couple of really great habits I
think are really valuable. Albert, thank you so much for
joining me today. I picked up a lot of info.
It's really inspiring and I think just as much as
knowing what to do, it's knowing how to do it,

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and he really helped offer a lot of clarity around
that today.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Thanks so much for joining me. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
With you, Ke, a huge thank you to Albert Gilbert
for sharing his perspective and reminding us that real wellness
isn't about being perfect. It's about being present, whether it's
protecting the first thirty minutes of your day, paying attention
to your body's signals, or redefining your relationship with work.
Today's conversation gave us some tools to reconnect and reset.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
If something you heard resonated with you, take that first
small step.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Maybe it's slowing down, maybe it's asking yourself what do
you really need? Whatever it is, take that first step today. Well,
that's our episode this week. I'm your host, doctor Mike Wall.
We'll see you back here next week for another episode
of the Wellness and Healthy lifestyle show on the Stingray
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