Mystery of The Red Heifer | Ushering In The Antichrist & The End Times - The Word At War

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have a guy showing up on the scene who
is surrounded by miracles, who is an anti Christ figure,
who is the Antichrist figure, who's coming on the scene
promising the Jews to restore Moses the Mosaic Covenant as
we know Daniel nine twenty seven. So when they come

(00:24):
to accept this, one of the things that they are
going to be accepting again is to be re embracing
Moses in his foldness, which is the opposite of the
Lord Jesus. You know, Jesus said again and if we
follow Moses who believed in me. So I find it
fascinating that where they do this, this Jewish leadership is
going to commit the same saying that the first century
leadership did, and God's going to allow them to be tested.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the War room. I'm Kyle. Thank you for
joining me on the Word at War. Well, my guest
today is Mondo Gonzalez. Mondo has pastored for over fifteen
years at various churches in Illinois, Washington State, and Nevada,
and is currently a Bible teacher, writer and co host
at Prophecywatchers International Ministry based in Oklahoma City. We're going

(01:19):
to be talking about his book Today, The Mystery of
the Red Heifer, Israel, the End Times and the Building
of the Third Temple. In the book, Mondo connects to
recent arrival of several such effers in Israel to biblical
End Times prophecy, including the rebuilding of the Third Temple
and the return of Christ. Blending archaeology, scripture, and current events,
Mondo examines how this ancient ritual could signal the fulfillment

(01:43):
of long awaited prophecies. You can find actually out more
about him at Prophecywatchers dot com. You can also reach
out to him at screw Tape Study Guide at gmail
dot com. So Mondo, thanks for joining me, man, I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
It is great to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, so everybody out there, we're going to get into
things more here in a little bit as far as
why are we talking about red cows and what does
that have to do with me, which, believe it or not,
has a lot to do with you, and we're going
to kind of cover that in detail today more than
maybe you're even familiar with. But for anybody that maybe
is hearing you for the first time, is not familiar
with you, please just share your background a little bit

(02:18):
and some of your story and how you got where
you're at and what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, I think one of the interesting things is I
got saved at eighteen, wasn't a Christian, and got saved
in college and then immediately began to read the Bible.
I'm a big reader, and began to study prophecy, so
that was very helpful. Then a few years later I
ended up moving to Chicago or near Chicago to go

(02:45):
to pastor there as well as to go to school.
And I always had an interest the in the sense
of the biblical background. So when I went to Moody
Bible Institute, I studied Jewish studies and I wanted to
learn everything I could about the Jewish culture. I eventually
learned Hebrew, and because why Jesus is Jewish. You know,

(03:06):
if Jesus was Chinese, I would have taken him Chinese studies, right,
So my goal was to learn as much about our Lord,
you know, and his culture and why he was born
into this particular culture and what God was doing. Of
course helps you understand the Old Testament as well. And
then after that I still had a desire. I was
pastoring and teaching, but I still had a desire to
learn more again about the background of the Bible. So

(03:30):
I went and got a master's degree in archaeology, and
so you know, archaeology is fun. Never really had a
plan to be an archaeologist necessarily, even though I still
do projects. But again, I wanted to learn the background stories.
We learned a lot about ancient Near Eastern history, certain archaeology,
ancient naras, theology, languages, stuff like that. Again, helping to

(03:52):
put the Bible in its context. That's really really important
to me, especially preaching over the years, and I started
a PhD program in hermeneutics, where again, what's the goal
is to learn the Bible in its context. And so
that's why when this particular book or when I follow

(04:13):
I've been following this topic for a long time, but
I thought, you know what, I should write a book
on this because in order to explain to the Christian
who doesn't really follow or understand much about rabbinic theology,
I thought this would be I could really help people.
I could help the Christian understand why is this important?
And because I'm knowledgeable of the Jewish rabbinic traditions, i

(04:38):
could help them understand exactly what's at play today, and
so now I look back and I think, Okay, Lord,
I see what you were doing in my life in
the sense of all these different trajectories to come and
speak again with a level of understanding of what's happening
now today. It's just it's fascinating journey.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, it's funny how God just uses every ingredient in
the stew for future you, right, It's amazing that way. Yeah,
And for anybody who's listening to this, the topic today
may seem obscure, and some may be more familiar with
other than others are, but ultimately this is going to
come back to end times prophecy. This is really where
this conversation is going to roll today. So we're going

(05:17):
to do some things to kind of set that up
to make you understand how this ties into end times prophecy.
But believe me, you really need to pay attention to
this because it impacts every single one of us. And
really a lot of these things highlight the fact that
we're living in times that no person in history has
ever lived through before, and we have some very active
prophecy that is occurring through these events that we really

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need to kind of pay attention to. But to kind
of go back a little bit and explain why this
is so important and how this ties into in times prophecy,
if you wouldn't mind mind it, just kind of walk
everybody through the levitical aspect of this and what the
ritual was for and how that kind of ties into today.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, that's super important because people will ask, you know,
where does the Bible talk about red heifers. Well, it's
really only in one place in the Old Testament, and
that is in Numbers, chapter nineteen. And this is where
this is very important because it'll help us to understand

(06:20):
what's happening today within the Jewish religious movement. And that
is for a Christian, we tend we only think in
terms of are my sins forgiven? We don't think in
terms of ritual purity, because we don't perform rituals in
the sense of going to a physical temple. If the

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temple existed, or even going back to the first century.
Let's say Paul is an example. In Acts twenty one,
Paul would still participate in the temple services. He was
Jewish and he realized certainly Jesus was sufficient, but he
still had a cultural identity. And so when he would
go in there. Even though he forgiven with the blood
of Christ for him, he still participated in the rituals

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that provided purity. So in the Book of Numbers, God
said that if you become impure, and usually there it
was through being in contact or close contact with a
dead body. So imagine for a moment that you're getting
ready to travel next week to go to Jerusalem and
to celebrate Passover, one of the three feats that are required.

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But your dad dies and there you are with him. Well,
now you are now ritually impure, so you are not
allowed to go and participate in the fullness of the
temple services. So what God did is he said, well,
I want you to be involved, so I'm going to
give you a way to be very inexpensively ritually purified.
So God said, I want you to take a redheifer.

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I want you to that's unblemish, that has never worked,
that's never been impregnated, and I want you to take
it outside the camp and so it's not on the altar.
This is not a sacrifice that's very important, it's a ceremony.
I want you to take it out and I want
you to slip the throat I want you to take
the blood and sprinkle it towards the towards at that

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time was the tabernacle, later would be the temple. I
want you to burn the cow, and then you put
in some other mixtures, some scarlet and some cedar and
some hiss up and stuff like that. I want you
to burn it completely, and then you take the ashes,
you mix it with water, and then you'll take that
mixture and you could use that to sprinkle on somebody
who has a ritual impurity, and so you'd sprinkle on

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them on the third day, and then you'd sprinkle on
the seventh day, and then they would be declared ritually pure.
So now after that you could go and participate in
the temple services without having to miss out. And so
God again this was an act of God's grace towards
the people. We also know that it appears in Hebrews
chapter nine. There's no doubt the Book of Hebrews. Over

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and over it's describing Jesus as better, better, better, better, covenant, better, sacrifice, better,
high pre et cetera. But one of the things that
it describes is that all of the things that we
see under the old Covenant, the temple, the rituals, they
were all shadows. Okay, they weren't the real thing. They
were shadows pointing to the real thing, which ultimately was

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the person and work of Jesus. And so in Hebrews
chapter nine, he brings up the Red Heifer and he
talks about how under the Old Covenant the red heifer
was given in order to purify externally. But how much
more would the blood of Jesus purify internally and externally?
To be fully so, when you think about the Red

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Heifer now, think about it from a Jewish perspective today,
they are still richually impure, many of them have been
with dead relatives, and they have no way to become purified. Well,
they really don't need it right now because there's no
temple services. But so they're thinking, well, hey, if we're
going to rebuild this temple, which we know they are,
and they know they have plans to do this, then

(09:57):
they realize, well, in order we need to to make
sure that we've done all these other things for the
temple reconstruction, but if we want to use it fully,
we need to find the Red effort, which is why
they began their search. You know, forty years ago, because
they're anticipating the future where the temple will be there,
and because they haven't found the original ashes, or at

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least they haven't publicly claimed that they've been looking for
in an archaeological context, they need to find a new
red heifer that they can perform the ceremony and get
new ashes.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, and you know, just for clarity, the reason that
they're so doggedly pursuing this is that they do not
believe that Christ was the Messiah. So they think that
in order they need this in order to not only
have purity, but ultimately they believe that this will help
usher in the Messiah. Correct.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, absolutely, And if you talk to them today, it's
interesting because it's like we're reading John chapter five. I mean,
we really are living in Bible times, the same now
that the Jews are back in the land and have
you know, it's seventy five percent secular and twenty five
percent religious. So what we're living in right now is
what was happening in let's say fifty a d Okay,

(11:13):
It's there's a group of people living in the Land
of Israel who are Jews who do not believe. Most
of them do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah. Well,
that's exactly what's happening right now. And so even as
Jesus in John chapter five, he's talking with the Jewish people,
and if certainly some of them come to believe in him,
but most of them, if you see the argument there,

(11:33):
they're arguing with him, they're rejecting him. And why they said,
we don't need you. We have Moses. We have Moses.
We have Moses and Jesus in John five forty six. Look,
if you believed in Moses, you'd believe in me because
he wrote about me. And so when you're talking to
the rabbis today, they will say the same thing, Well,
we don't need Jesus, we have Moses. And then you'd say, well, listen,

(11:54):
Moses wrote about Jesus, and so we could make the
same arguments today that Jesus made. But yet we know
that for the most part Romans, you know eleven says,
the Jews were blinded in part. But yet there's coming
a point in the future where they will all be saved.
They will all the return, those that are left alive
at the end of the tribulation will return to and

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the only way they can return to the Father is
through the Messiah Jesus. So you know, we're very clear
about that. I'm very clear in the book that you
know this is without Jesus, there is no salvation.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm the way, the truth in the life. No one
gets a father except through me period end of sentence. Yep,
there is no magic other other way. I know. We
try to, you know, concoct that, and a lot of
times we do that because we want to lean into
our own belief systems and our own desires of wanting
to do what we want to do. But ultimately that's
not how it works. So this kind of you know,
carries through history because you know, ultimately at seventy eight

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we have the destruction of the Temple with the Romans.
Everything is destroyed at that particular point. So since that
time there has been no temple. So that was the
second Temple. There has been no third Temple. So this
has been a long desire for the people of Israel
to rebuild this temple. And obviously we go through a
period of time and history much more with the Romans

(13:12):
where you know, they have an uprising, the Barkaba revolt,
they get even more scattered they actually get thrown out
of the land, and then they don't even come back
into the land until the Muslims actually come in and
take it away from the current inhabitants. And then the
Muslims allowed the Jews to actually initially come back to
the land, but they were still scattered for the most part.

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And it really wasn't until we get to nineteen nineteen
forties when they actually formed the state of Israel that
we started to have prophecy be fulfilled as far as
them having their own state and really starting to return
en mass to the area. And so really from the
minute they started as a state, they were attacked. You
get into this a little bit in the book too,

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and we can see that ever since that time, you know,
they have had enemies surrounding them that have wanted to
wipe them out. I mean, the minute that actually I
think was Harry Truman was the first one to stand
up and recognize them as an actual legitimate power and
a state. They were literally attacked the very next day,
and they were able to withstand that, obviously, But this

(14:15):
kind of carries forward and one of the first things
that you talked about in the book that I was
not aware of from a historical perspective, actually occurred in
nineteen sixty seven, and it was their defense minister that
actually handed over the Temple Mounts. So please talk about
that a little bit, just to kind of highlight, because
I think that's really important for where we are today.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, this is a fascinating study. I remember again being
in college where we studied modern Jewish history, and of
course I didn't know a lot of this, which is great.
Why you go to college to learn things and so,
you know, but learning that I had been to Israel already,
and so I had this vision of Israel being a
whole bunch of religious people that loved God and it

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was going to be amazing. And that is not what
I found when I went there. But then in studying
the modern history even more in depth, you realize that
when they conquered basically East Jerusalem, the Temple mount area,
and because they had been forced over into the West,
they had Jordan. It was still under the sovereignty of

(15:19):
the country of Jordan in nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now, which is just for clarity for anybody that is
not familiar geographically, please go look on the happ because
this is you'll hear the West Bank referred to a
lot of times, and that's very confusing because it's actually
the eastern part of Jerusalem. So just just for a
little bit of clarity there.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, exactly, the west Bank is the west bank of
the Jordan River. Yeah, right, And so when people see that,
the originally they you know, Israel was given the mandate
by the United Nations in November of nineteen forty seven.
They were not given any of that what we call
the West Bank today, and it was given over to
the Jordanians. But during the war, during the Sixth Day War,

(15:58):
they took cont of this for the first time, as
well as the goal on Heights and really all of
what we understand to be Samaria or the West Bank
today it's Das Samaria area. But here, so imagine this,
you think, oh wow, so they for the first time,
really they in two thousand years since seventy a d
they had they immediately gained sovereignty over the Temple Mount.

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So they go rushing up on to the Temple Mount
and which of course there's a level of cultural historical
excitement that goes along with that, no doubt, and coming
out of just twenty years out of the Holocaust, there
was a certain level of rejoicing in freedom that they
had now. But Moshadon, who was the defense minister, he

(16:47):
has a he's the guy with the patch if you
see him. Historically he was an atheist by his own words,
and so he realized, well, let me set one thing
just before that before I continue on. Prior to this,
the rabbis in the Land of Israel had made proclamations
quite clearly that no Jew, no religious Jew, was allowed

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to go up onto the Temple Mount at all, because
even before that, even though they didn't have sovereignty over it,
there were still occasions where they could go on there
on special occasions. Well, the rabbi said, no, no, no,
no matter what, even if we get permission, we're not
you are not allowed to go up there because we
don't want you to defile this holy place. Okay, so
keep that in the back of our mind. Well, then

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will Moshadon when they liberated the Temple Mount, he's an atheist?
He says, well, I don't. I'm not here for religious reasons.
And so he immediately turned around, and even though they
maintained security over the Temple Mount area, this thirty seven
acre site. He turned religious authority back over to the

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walk the WAQF, which was a Jordanian custodial organization that
handled again the custodian ship of the Dome of the Rock,
the Alaska Ma and the entire Temple Mount area. So
he they immediately handed it back over, which interestingly the
religious rabbis didn't really like that, but they also weren't

(18:17):
that opposed to it because they knew, well, okay, now
no Jews will go up there, and so they actually
supported the decision by Mosheon and what what he what
he did because they knew that it would coincide with
their prohibition for any Jews to go up on the
Temple Mount. Very interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, that was the thinking behind that, as far as
Jews not going on the Temple Mount because they believed
it kind of had been defiled by the building of
the mosque and all this and had been kind of
taken over by islam Is that is that behind them
as well.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
There's no oh, no doubt. They believed the entire place
was defiled since Rome and since, as you mentioned, the
Barkaka revolt with the right after that that they named
it Aolia Aptalina and put a temple of Jupiter up there,
so no doubt, but the rabbis were more interested in
taking care of their flock of people in saying, you,
as a religious Jew, we don't want you to actually

(19:13):
contribute to the defilement of the Temple mount area. It's
one thing if the Gentiles do it, we expect them
to do it. But you, as Jew, don't go up
there because you'll cause even more defilement up there, because
why they didn't have the ashes of the Redhifer. Everybody's
walking around impure.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah. The other thing that this basically this arrangement has
continued effectively until today, is that is that an accurate statement?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It is still the largest anyway, it is no, it
is one hundred percent. Has not changed officially to today.
Now the religious custodianship is still with the walk. But
what what you have seen is a challenge now to
the status quo of the situation really beginning. It really began.

(20:00):
We'll begin in earnest by a variety of things. But
you see it either in the secular realm or even
in some of those who are religious that began to
go up under the Temple Mountain challenge the rabbi's you
know prohibition. For example, I was there in two thousand,
the year two thousand, It was the first time I
went to Israel in November, and right before that was

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when Ariol Charon, who was the Prime Minister, went up
on the Temple Mount. He was a general, he was
a military guy. He went up there specifically to ruffle feathers.
And then of course the end Tafada started at that time,
which when I went there in two thousand, we were
not allowed to go up in the Temple Mount. I
did go back in July of two thousand and three,

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and there was still a prohibition of any public groups
to go up there on the Temple Mount, officially by
the security because Israel still provides security there. But in
July of two thousand and three, I was there with
the group and we got approached. We were just walking
around the Old City and we got approached by this

(21:02):
security force and they said, hey, would you like to
go up in the Temple Mount And we said absolutely,
And they said, okay, well, it's not open to the public,
but we are going to basically try to reopen it,
and we're going to push the envelope here and so
they had we had a complete security guard. They were
filming it, recording it. So it was our group as

(21:25):
well as a couple of journalists from NPR, and so
we went up there and they said, you know, no
praying or anything else, but we're gonna We're gonna now
start doing it. And so it was I think it
was in the next month, in the next couple of
months where they officially opened it back up to the public.
But I felt honored to be to be one of
the first groups to get back up on there.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
There had to be a little bit of terror too,
because it's like Operation Guinea Pig.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Absolutely, we're going to film it and if it goes
really sideways, then we're either going to use it for
propaganda or this film is never going to see the
light of day and nobody's going to ever know what
happened to Mondo exactly. It was.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
It was cool. So, I mean, every I've been there,
I think eight times now, but so since then two
thousand and three, every time I've gone there and have
been able to go up on the temple.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Now, yeah, that's that's that's pretty awesome, dude, What an honor.
Net we're one of the first ones to kind of
go there, and I know there's been some some more
relaxing of that here, and we'll get into that here
in a little bit, because it's definitely important to tie
into where we are today. But I think next the
next thing on the timeline here, at least in my mind,
is an understanding of the Temple Institute, because you know,

(22:29):
I think we started in the eighties. You probably have
a more specific date there that you can pinpoint, but
ultimately what we have is we have this group that
decides to form this institute, and the whole purpose behind
it is education of what all goes into the proper
mosaic temple, all of the furniture, all of the ceremonies,

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all of these things, what is necessary in order to
rebuild this temple. And with the goal of rebuilding the temple,
So talk a little bit about and kind of how
that's progressed through the years.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean, we can even go back before that
to nineteen sixty seven where one of the people that
was involved in the Six Day War was Gershon Solomon,
and Gershon Solomon started the Temple Mount Faithful Group and
I've been following him for you know, since again I
got saved in nineteen ninety three. He actually just died
recent the past couple of years. But he was really

(23:24):
the first one that began a movement. And there's been
a couple other fringe groups, and they were called fringe.
I'm not calling him fringe. I've heard him called fringe
from even some of the religious people. Well, then again
in the eighties you have the Temple Institute beginning, where
again started off as a relative fringe group, but yet

(23:45):
their goal was to, hey, look, we're going to start
changing the mentality of the religious Jews and even the
secular Jews in order to look in order. If you
ask them why do you want to build the temple?
Many of them will be blunt to you and they say,
why are you asking a stupid question? Why do we

(24:07):
want to build the temple? It's God commanded us to
have a temple. End of story. It's a it's a mitzvah,
it's a commandment. So we don't do do you if you,
as a Christian, if Jesus gives you commandment, do you
have the option of saying no? So you know they
will they And that's a valid response so in their mind,
they are building the temple because it's in the Mosaic Covenant,

(24:29):
it's in it's commanded by God, and so they don't
have the option to do that. And so they realize that, Okay,
even though the government is relatively or mostly at least
especially for most of it's it's a secular we are
going to start the movement. And they begin then to
seek into search and to research. What we understand is
the Mishnah. The mishnah is the oral law. The Missionah

(24:53):
appears in the Gospels in Mark seven and Matthew fifteen,
where Jesus is having an argument with some of the
the Pharisees about the tradition of the elders, and they
called the oral law. Well, they'll call that the Mishnah. Well,
in addition to the Mishnah, which was written down in
two hundred eight D, there's commentary on that basically oral

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tradition called the Gamara. So together it's called the Talmud.
So the Talmud, there's a Babylonian and there's also a
Jerusalem Talmut. Both of them are finished by five hundred
and eighty. So this just sets the tone so that
what the rabbis then begin to do is they begin
to say, well, look, we're in Israel now nineteen forty eight.

(25:34):
We are we have at least sovereignty over the Temple
mount So we need to start researching super super carefully
to fine tune what we understand not only the Bible says,
but as well as the traditions say about what the
temple looks like. So they begin that in earnest again
in the nineteen eighties, now with having the opportunity, and

(25:57):
so they begin to develop and they've plemented that they've
constructed all the various vessels, copper vessels, silver trumpets. People
can go to Temple Institute dot com and they can
see everything there. They got, they got the priestly, the
high priest garments, they got the crown that you know,
the menora, golden Manora. It's pretty amazing. So this is

(26:20):
where again it was a natural extension of what they
wanted to do as being obedient Jewish people to the
law and according to them, Now this is what I'll
throw it out here too, so that people understand again
another very important nugget for Christians. We read again Mark

(26:41):
seven and Matthew fifteen and we understand that in many
ways the tradition of the elders, Jesus called it out.
In many ways the traditions of the elders actually violate
God's commandment, and so he had disagreements with them about
this exact thing. Not all of the traditions do, but
some of them do. And so for a Jewish person,
especially the rabbis are the descendants of the Pharisees. So

(27:06):
in seventy eight D, all the other groups, you know,
the scenes got wiped out. The Statucees basically got wiped out.
Any of the other Jewish groups, and Zelots pretty much
got wiped out. But there was one group that survived,
and that was the Pharisees, and they went over to
a city called Yavnen, which is on the coast, and
they began to establish and maintain their traditions, which includes

(27:31):
again the Mishta and the Talmud. And so for them
in ninety eight D, they're in there in the land,
they're on the coast, and then later they had a
presence in the land as well, up in Tiberius. And
this is where we get the Hebrew scriptures in what's
called the Massoretic text by the masser eats, et cetera,
et cetera. So all that background is Christians know that

(27:53):
for a religious Jew, the Mishna and the Talmud is
equal to the author of scripture written scripture, So they
don't have the option of minimizing this or this having
less authority than the actual written word of God. So
as Christians we recognize, well, scripture is scripture. Even if

(28:13):
we wanted to look at maybe the Book of Maccabees
as a historical book, we still don't call it scripture
as at least as Protestants Catholics will do, and some
others do, but that's Protestants, we don't. So that being
the case, they've been working on this and they said,
we need to get all this understanding done because the
temple's coming.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah. Wow, there's so much here. And the next thing
that I want to get into, obviously, is the hardest
thing that's been the thing that's been the most difficult
for them to procure, which would be the cows. And
we're going to get there in a second. But one
of the things that ties into this too, just to
kind of tie the and you've done a wonderful job
of tying it maybe a little bit opening up the
minds of a Christian from the viewpoint of a Jew

(28:54):
who is wanting to do all these things and they
believe they're doing the right thing, much as you know,
they got fresh traded with Christ and literally, you know,
when he was obviously talking in the temple in his hometown,
they were going to throw him off a cliff, you know,
because he stopped before the war mongering passage, and they
were upset because they have the viewpoint still to this day,

(29:14):
that the Messiah is going to be the one that's
going to bring justice to their enemies. Right. That's kind
of continued throughout all of this, And we're going to
get to the heffer here in a second. But if
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So you know. One of the interesting things too, about
all of the things that the Temple Institute's been doing
along the lines of the furniture, getting all of the
things they need to do this. They've they've even we
talked before we hit record that they have even been

(29:58):
in talks with Rome to get back maybe some of
the original furniture, which is kind of crazy to think
from whatever time when it was taken out of the temple,
probably seventy eight, I would think. But the thing that
has been the most difficult for them and that's really
kept this from happening, is finding a heifer that is

(30:19):
qualified per law in order to fulfill this. So you
kind of had highlighted some of the details needed for
this heifer, but kind of just share the backstory there
and this obviously leads us down the road of finding
this heffer and what they've done in order to do it.
But talk first, if you will, about how stringent the
requirements for this cow are, because this is important and

(30:41):
why it's taken so long.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
In fact, it's interesting because in the mission, again the
oral traditions written down are on tunity. They have an
entire chapter on this called the parah a dumah the
red cow or the red heifer, and so they I'll
just say, it's kind of funny. I sometimes I'll say

(31:03):
cow and heifer, and then I have ranchers saying, you
don't know what a heifer is? Between a cow and
I'm like he In Hebrew, there's no distinction, so just
don't send me emails. I understand. But when they translated
into English, they make no distinction. It's not that it's
not that classified. But we'll try to stick with heiffer.
But they have an entire chapter because they knew they knew. Okay,

(31:25):
they're writing this down to under eighty. The temple has
been gone, you know, for one hundred and thirty years,
and they realize they have all these traditions and we
need to write it down because there's coming a day
in the future when the temple will be reinstituted, and
so we need to make sure that all of the
details and the discussion about what qualifies a red heifer
will be available to their descendants, which is exactly what's

(31:47):
happening right now. And so it is extremely stringent, which
is why I in the book, I most people don't
have access to the Talmud of the mischigf So it's free, free,
open source. So I copy it and put it in
the book so that people can just read it for themselves.
It's really kind of fascinating. Where the Bible. I give
one chapter on what does the Bible say? And the

(32:09):
Bible doesn't say really too much. You know, it gives
a few requirements. It needs to be read. It doesn't
say hal red, it needs to be a heifer, it
needs to have no blemishes, it needs to have no
burdens on it. And you think, okay, that's pretty much it.
But the Rabbis they take everything to the nth degree,
and so they and there what's their desire. Their desire

(32:32):
isn't just to necessarily put on bondage. They're saying, Okay,
if God says read, well he didn't tell us how red,
So we need to make sure it's really really red
so that we don't even risk violating the commandment. Okay,
when it says no yoke, which is what it literally
says in the Bible, well that must mean any sort
of weight. So we can't even put a blanket on

(32:53):
the back of it, because that could be a blanket
could be a yoke, maybe let's not risk it. So again,
their goals in all these requirements is out of a
desire not to offend God. Okay, but obviously they sometimes
they've gone over the top in some of those things.
And where you get the age, for example, they talk
about their the in Hebrew, you have the word egg

(33:15):
la and you have the word parah, and those are
those are two different ones of calf and ones a
of age cow or an adult, so to speak. And
they talk about, well, how young or how old does
the cow does the heffer have to be? And they
decided that it has to be in its third year. Well,

(33:37):
how do we confirm that's in his third year? Well
two years in one day. Well we might not get
to have the birthday ride two years in eight days.
So they decided on two years in one month. So
that becomes important when later we talk about the actual
redheifers that came over. But so the two most important
things are it has to be two years in one
month according to the traditions as well as according to

(34:01):
the description of red. They talk about that you can't
have more than one non red hair coming out of
the same follicle. So if you have a black hair
on the head and maybe a black hair on the tail.
That could be okay, And of course the rabbis are
going to argue back and forth even about that. So
I just gave in the book what it was the

(34:23):
modern consensus as it relates to what that looks like.
And even so, let's fast forward a little bit too.
A guy by the name of my Monodes Rabbaum. He
was a medieval philosopher theologian who was Jewish. He wrote
something called the Mishna Torah, and he wrote a lot
of books actually, and I quote most of them in

(34:44):
the book, but he wrote an entire discussion on the
red heifer as well, because he was thinking in terms
of what that would look like. Hey, the Temple's coming,
so he was, you know, eight hundred years off as
it relates to that, but he still you could tell
it was still in their psyche. They were believing it.
And one of the things that he said, which I

(35:05):
think is important, is he said, there's been nine red
heifers in history from Moses until the first century, and
the tenth will be offered up by the Messiah himself.
And so that has led to it was basically his position.
He wasn't necessarily saying a prophecy, But some people take

(35:26):
it as a prophecy. But they're incorrect because even the
rabbis today don't take it as a full fledged prophecy.
But what they will say is, no, the Messiah himself
doesn't need to be the one that performs the ceremony.
But what we do believe is that when that tenth
red heifer is offered, it will be a sign of
the Messiah's soon arrival. And so that has stuck today.

(35:51):
So again, when you get into the psyche of what
a Jew thinks today, all this discussion about a red
heifer is giving them messianic fees, and we look at
it and it gives us Christians messianic fever and believing
that Jesus is going to return again soon.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, it's kind of amazing how everything's coming full circle together,
different aspects but all coming together. Right. We view all
this as a different a different pathway. You know, we
see this as a negative that's going to bring back
our Messiah, and they see this as a positive that's
going to bring their Messiah for the first time. So
but you know, at the end, at the end of

(36:28):
the day, everybody's going to get a messiah if you
take a step back away from this, right, So there's
fervor on both sides. And it was funny because you
actually quoted this in the book, but as you were talking,
it reminded me of the whole passage in Acts fifteen
about you know, there's this huge debate between you know,
Peter and Paul and the you know, Jews and the

(36:49):
Gentiles and even some rabbis that had converted about having
the Gentiles follow Mosaic law. And literally it reads as follows,
and it's Acts fifteen ten. Now, therefore, why are you
putting God to the test by placing a yokum and
neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we
have been able to bear. And it's just funny because

(37:10):
they have made this incredibly hard on themselves by adding
to in there, not to paint punish themselves, to your point,
but by making this so stringent, they have probably stretched
the timeline out tremendously in order to find this cow
that's qualified. And so fast forward to a few years ago,

(37:33):
and in this search for these heifers, which I'm sure
they searched all around the world, but they landed in
the good old us of A to get these cows.
So please share some of that story in the background
behind that.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating because you have again Minik I
write in the book as well that going back to
the nineties where you had Rabbi Richmond coming over to
Mississippi going to a rancher named Clyde Lott and looking
at a redheffer there that ended up becoming disqualified. It

(38:09):
was originally looked good, but as it got older, it
became disqualified. So Rabbi Richmond has wrote a book on
really a similar title, The Mystery of the Red Heifer.
And then so it's been there and there was a
few I list all of the possibilities in the book,
you know to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. Well then come

(38:31):
twenty twenty one. You have a man by the name
of Byron Stinson, and he wrote a book called The
Hunt for the Redhifer recently and where he kind of
goes into some detail about the process. But before him,
so this is what happened, is they had he has

(38:52):
his Bone Israel group Bone Israel dot com. It just
means Bill Israel. He has been involved in blessing the
state of Israel with a variety of projects, and he
threw those actions as a Christian, he's a full follower
of Jesus Christ as Jesus as the Messiah. But he
became friends with many rabbis as he was seeking to

(39:13):
be a blessing to the people of Israel. And so
they had asked him right around twenty twenty or so, Hey,
you know, there's a lot of cows in America. Can
you start looking and see if you can find any
any red heifers? And He's like, oh, okay. So he
began a search, and he started putting magazine or ads

(39:35):
into magazines, into rancher magazines, through text messages. He spent
a lot of time looking and just looking for who's
got who's basically raising and breeding red angus. And then
it just happened to be that there was another guy
that I interviewed named doctor Robert Mowari who lives down
near Fort Worth, and he was actually ground zero. Even

(40:00):
though Byron had been working on all these things in
the background, this guy, Robert brother and the Lord he
he got a phone call from a a friend of
his named I forgot his name. His his last name's Davenport, Tye.
I think I think Ty's the rancher. It was Ty's brother.

(40:24):
So Ty's brother was friends with Robert and he said, well, hey,
what are you looking for. You're looking for some red angus.
He goes, well, my brother Ty he raises red angus,
and so he says, really, well, let's call him up.
And so then Robert Mawiri gets a hold of Ti
Davenport calls Byron Stenson, let's go over and check it out.

(40:45):
And so it's all I have it all in the book,
but some of the details are lost on me. But
so anyways, enter Byron. Byron takes it over from there.
He ends up going and they they the cows end
up being six months old. He's watching them all. He
ends up talking to the rabbis. And this is where

(41:06):
you can go online. You can see some of the
pictures where you got these. Again, these Jewish rabbis that
don't even really speak very much English coming to Texas
on a ranch, I mean, talk about being out of
your element. They come there and it's really fascinating and
they're examining like a preliminary examination. Wow, these red efforts

(41:27):
look pretty good. And so then that was in March
of twenty one, and as well as April. They did
a couple different examinations and they decide, hey, these look good,
so let's plan to get them over to Israel. And
then through the next few months they ended up doing

(41:48):
all the preparations. There's a whole big story there about
how they got him over. But they ended up arriving
September fifteenth of twenty twenty two. So they were born
in October of twenty twenty one, so they they you
were not allowed to bring over any any cows that
are were over a year old. So they got him

(42:10):
there in the nick of time. They were eleven months
old in September fifteenth of twenty twenty two, and so
that really they get there. That comes to a whole
bunch of fanfare. The press is there, I think the
Agricultural Ministry minister was there, and boom they arrive and
it sets off this whole I would say pandemonium as

(42:33):
it relates to is this could these five that's five's
a lot. I mean, one of them's got to stay
qualified or become qualified fully after their two year old,
you know, in one month birthday, and so that's it was.
Actually at that time I was following it when I
got approached by a guy who was here at the ministry,
and I just, in random conversations is how God works.

(42:56):
He was here for a totally different reason, and somehow
I just said, oh, you know, I'm I'm actually right,
I'm considering writing a book on the red heifers. And
he goes, oh really, He goes, well, do you know
Robert Mwery And I said no. He goes, well, he's
the guy that found him. He goes, you want me
to set up an interview. I'll go absolutely. So a
few months later, guy God went down there and interviewed him,

(43:17):
spent four hours with him, recorded it all so I
didn't miss anything. And so that's kind of how my research.
And then of course I got in touch with Byrid
and other things, and so that's kind of how it
all all came down, at least part of the story.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, it's amazing how all these cogs have have kind of,
you know, come together at just the perfect point to
move all the gears, and it's just it's kind of
a fascinating thing. Even with you writing the book, there's
just one more there that's just kind of kind of amazing.
And I just did some a quick look because I
think the next thing that I really want to get
into to highlight where we're going. I wasn't quite sure

(43:52):
time wise when he got elected, but net and Yahoo
was elected on December twenty ninth of twenty twenty two.
And this is really important, and you did a great
job in the book, and it was wonderful for me.
So thank you of highlighting some of the things that
I did not know about the Israeli government, because unlike
what we had happened back after you know, the war

(44:15):
in the sixties and the handing over of the Temple mount,
this government in Israel right now is probably the most
religiously zealous government perhaps in the history of the state
of Israel. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Oh, that's that's the claim. I absolutely making the book
because net Yahoo has you know, he's he's you know,
their governments, their government is a little bit strange. But
so net Yahoo has had to make coalitions with different
groups left groups, the labor groups, the centrist groups, and
then the religious right groups, and so you know, he
had been you know, Prime minister for a while and

(44:54):
of course this was right before they had several governments
that had failed, you know, or that fell out of coalition,
and so this veiled new elections nof tally Bennet's in
there and the others and so. But when this happened
in December of twenty two, he made an agreement with
the religious groups and it so far it has stuck

(45:16):
over the past few years. But it by his agreeing
with them, this is the most religious group that has
ever existed, which again is just irritates so much the
left in the land of Israel.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, absolutely, and it also irritates the enemies around Israel.
And there are some pretty prominent members inside of his
own cabinet that have kind of poked the bear, if
you will, and you know that's really important too. And
one of them I have written down here. Well, one
of the things that Netanyahu set himself that I made
sure to make a note of in the book is

(45:54):
he's even publicly said and I think I think, if
I remember the way you wrote it in the book,
he's kind of started to maybe distance him away from
the comment, but he had made a comment at one
point that he felt that it was his destiny as
a leader to be the one in charge to actually
bring about the third Temple? Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah? Well what he said, just to clarify, is this
this brother Robert Mawari. He knows ya on a first
name basis, and so he said hey, Mondo. So net
Yaho never said it publicly, but Mauri said, he told
me personally that he feels it's his destiny to be

(46:30):
the prime minister when the temple is built.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, thank you for correcting me. Yeah, I didn't want
to put something out there that was not accurate. But
another character inside the cabinet that has been pretty vocal
and pretty out there about the things that he's wanting
to do is actually what is it is basically his
secretary of Defense? Is that is that officially the nights title?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
He's the National Security Minister.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, so it's pretty most all the police. Yeah, so
please do dive into him if you would.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, he is a he's a very enigmatic character. His
name is Inomar Ben Gavere, and it's interesting that he
is an Orthodox Jew. He is on uh. I would
even call him extreme in this as y me say
he's devoted, however you want to say it, He's an

(47:21):
extreme devoted person to Israel. He despises the Palestinians. If
it's up to him, he would remove them all off
of the face of the earth. These are just his
his quotes. He's also very anti Christian. He's anti he's
not interested in Christians living in the land of Israel
with their missionary type evangelism. And so he is an

(47:46):
ardent Jewish zealop. I guess I'll say that, I don't
mind saying it publicly because he would probably agree with it.
And so what he's done is like when they the
first day that they came into power, he went up
on the Temple out and so he began to unilaterally
try to force and a change of the status quo,

(48:09):
of the perception within the media. Because remember it's not
he's not just fighting the Arabs in his desire, he's
fighting the left. He's fighting the leftist mentality there, the
very liberal mentality of the Temple mount who are very
pacifist as it relates to the Arab you know, the
Palcidians in that regard. So and since then he's gone

(48:30):
on and on and on, and just here in the
last couple of weeks Tishapav, he went up on the
temple member. He's in charge of the police, so the
police are in charge of the security for the Temple Mount.
And so he's been up there many many times again
pushing the envelope, and he did it this time as well.
He went up there with the police escort. And this
was the first time truly again in in in thousands

(48:54):
of years, that he They prayed, they sung, they danced,
they read scripture. See all that has been and it
still is officially forbidden. But when you're the police, who's
going to stop you? And the police, when you're in
charge of the police, and he's allowed the police to say, look,
don't don't interrupt this. If anybody, if any of the

(49:17):
Arabs caused trouble, you need to do that and surrounded them.
And so again his goal he will I think he
will be the one historically that would be looked at
as the one who changed the status quo of the
Temple Mount. And so again there will be a temple
up there. We know scripture says that, and so I

(49:39):
think if you are again to just historically look at it,
he would be the one that would be given credit
for the change that has happened.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, and just to highlight because I don't think we
necessarily said, but in order to get these cows, and
they took five, right, they took five from America over there.
They paid almost three quarters of a million dollars to
get these cows from America go over to Israel. And
now one of the things I was fascinated by that
I did not know reading the book was that there
were actually twenty one originally, I think is if the

(50:10):
number is correct, right, so there were sixteen that they
left there that were technically at the time qualified. We
don't know if they still are not. That's a million
dollar question right there of itself. But you know, they've
taken these cows over. And the other thing too that
I think is important to notice. Throughout time, they have
never had a qualified cow or one that was able
to get stay qualified, you know, until it met the

(50:31):
time mark. But they have had several instances where they
have run practice ceremonies of the sacrifice in order to
determine how much ash it will produce, how long it'll
take to burn, how much woods needed the whole setup,
and ultimately they have determined and again, please correct me
if I have this wrong, that they've been able to
one cow will probably provide decades, if not longer, worth

(50:56):
of ritualistic purity. Is that Is that an eccher state?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Oh? Absolutely, it's They ended up with one hundred Well,
a couple of things they they there was a professor
at Barilan University who did a practice ceremony in twenty
nineteen and he didn't use a red effer. He just
got some old sick cow and burned it in order

(51:20):
to start toody. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry old girl. Yep.
And she was like, you're going out in style. I
guess so. And it was interesting because he did a
lot of research in some of practices in India as
it relates to how to burn cows in a certain
way to keep the heat going. Anyways, So after all that,
they ended up with one hundred and forty five pounds

(51:42):
of ash, which mixed with water would end up providing
six hundred billion sprinklings for either vessels or places, locations
or people. So decades, possibly even centuries, you could have
it last.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
We've had nine throughout all the time. That just kind
of highlights you know how long it'll lasts. So and
at a time too, when you know, they were probably
doing it far more than we would do because the
populace is going to be much more in lockstep with
wanting to have the purification happen. But that's kind of
a mathematical semantics. I mean, I guess we'll find out,
but yeah, man, it's it's just kind of fascinating from

(52:22):
the perspective of all the preparation that's gone into this,
you know, to they're ready to go. They just need
everything to line up. Which is the last stop on
the train today and where the train came off the
tracks because I think everything was full speed ahead. We
have everything we need, We have the furniture all established.
One of the things we didn't talk about that I

(52:44):
guess we can kind of fill in the gap on
is you know, there's not only a physical element to
all the furniture and all the things they need for
the temple, all the garments, all the different you know
things that they're gonna need the cow. But then they've
also been actively training priests and even children that are
going to be involved in this ceremony, and not only
training them, but making sure that they're separated off so

(53:08):
that they don't become ritualistically impure, so please share some
of that. That's kind of the fascinating point.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
This is really fascinating because as a backdrop, I'll just
tell you that the five Redheiffers when they came, they
were again a year old. So a year later you
have five now that were at least in a preliminary
way qualified, and that was in November of twenty twenty three.

(53:35):
So again, for the first time in the in the
last two thousand years, you have five qualified red heifers.
They were of age. And then, of course, as time
went on and they delayed the ceremony for political reasons
and hamas and other things caused trouble under the Biden administration,
et cetera, many of the cows became disqualified and so

(53:57):
and even we could talk about the latest at the
latest events as well. But the fastest thing about the
priest is they have been training these priests because they
know that you, the priest, has to be pure, pure ritually. Well, remember,
you got to think like a Jewish person, You got
think like a religious jew in a religious Jewish mindset.

(54:23):
You if you're born in a hospital, well there's a
possibility that there's a dead person in the next room
or was in that room. And if you're born in hospital,
you're automatically ritually impure. And again, once you become ritually impure,
without the ashes of the red heifer, there's no way
to solve that. So what in an anticipation of having

(54:46):
a ritually pure priest one day, you know, twenty years
ago they began to plan for this. So they would
have children who were levitical priests or Cohen or even
in the aeronic line, the high priest line. They would
have them born not in a hospital, they'd have them

(55:07):
born at home. They also they are not allowed to
walk in certain areas where they're on the ground where
there could be a grave, an unknown, unmarked grave. So
they would build they would either have them live in
places where it was on bedrock where there could be
no grave below, or they would build platforms like a deck,
so if you walked on a deck, you're not touching

(55:29):
the ground, there's air between air there you're considered to
not be contaminated. Or even on stone, stone does not
transfer impurities. We see that actually in John chapter two.
It's kind of fascinating. So through all this they now
have these priests and these children who would would one
day participate in that ceremony. And they've been working on

(55:53):
it again. They're looking at every single detail, and I
find it fascinating because I just try to say people, hey, look,
I've been watching this for thirty years and they weren't
talking about this twenty years ago. We have entered into
a new stage where this is not going away, that
all the things are in place. And again, so that
leads up to just on July first, there was another

(56:17):
practice ceremony of one of the one of the five.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, that's that's a fascinating point too, because as I
read the book and you and I talked even before
we hit record, and we'll probably dive into this more
here in a minute, I wonder if it was you know,
they said that it was, but it's curious to think,
and I wonder if it truly was, just because you know,
the natural thing now, if they really are unqualified, would
be to turn and turn them into breeding stock. And

(56:43):
I don't think they would want to burn up a
good breeding stock. But what do I know. I don't
breed cows for a living. But you know, rewinding a
little bit and looking at how all this kind of
comes together in the hurricane of events. You know, we
have the Temple Institute, we have stepped up efforts in
order to have more of a presence on the Temple Mount.

(57:06):
You now have a minister of you know, security minister
that's talking about very brash and doing all these things
on the Temple Mount and walking up there and doing
things himself. You have this ceremony that's been planned and
talked about very openly. You have a government that's come
into power with net and Yahoo and everybody else behind him,

(57:29):
and the party that really was behind him getting elected.
At the end of twenty two, you have these five
qualified heifers that have come over and it's just a
matter of time. And you can see as you look
back now and when you understand everything, how Hamas hes
Blah and all of these terrorist organizations are looking at

(57:49):
this and they see it as an incredible threat to
the Temple Mount. And you know, this kind of went
really under the radar. But one of the main reasons
that the attack happened what it was in October ninth,
I do believe October seventh, excuse me of twenty three
by Hamas was they came out and said because of

(58:12):
the heifers, and because of this whole process that they
felt like ultimately they feel that if this goes forward
and it's carried out, they're basically going to be wiped
off the Temple mount and thus with it goes the
Dome of the Rock, which is probably the most sacred
site in all of Islam.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Right, Well, it's interesting, there's a lot there in that
the Dome of the Rock actually is very very unappreciated
in Islam. Oh wow, Okay, no, it really is because
for them, the two biggest, the two holiest places are

(58:50):
Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia and so, and then
the Jerusalem. Think about this, Jerusalem is not even mentioned
in the Kouran, not even once, not even once, and so,
but what what you have? This brings up the next
point though, is that the the Arabs and the Palestinians
are masters at propaganda, and the left and the media,

(59:12):
the legacy media. They're gullible. Either they either they're willingly ignorant,
or they're just bad journalists, or they don't understand history.
Oh or again they're just gullible to believe all the
propagandas so, this is why even many in Saudi Arabia.
I mean, one of the purests in Saudi Arabia are saying,
we don't care about Jerusalem, we don't care about the
Temple mount that even the Dome of the Rock, that's

(59:34):
just it's it's a it's a it's a shrine, it's
not even a mosque. The Alaska Moss is there towards
the south side of the of the Dome of the Rock.
The Dome of the Rock was put there, you know,
in the seventh century, again as a as a memorial.
But they don't even really care. They acknowledged, like the
people in the Saudi Arabia, they'll acknowledge that the Temple
was there. The Jerusalem, it's the it's the Jews. So

(59:56):
so it depends on who you ask. But again today
the Palestinians are masters propaganda, and so they will take
any opportunity they can. And so in as we know,
October seventh happened. In twenty twenty three, there was never
any mentioned publicly of the Red Heifers ever, and then
January of twenty twenty four comes, and of course Israel

(01:00:17):
began responding to Hamas they began to infiltrate and to
remove Hamas from power, and of course the war started
prior to that. Well. Again, because Hamas is very smart,
they knew that they could turn public tide against Israel,
and especially with the Biden administration which was already threatened

(01:00:37):
and did withhold weapons to Net and Yahoo that were
already purchased. And so they came out and said in
January of twenty twenty four, one of the reasons that
we attacked is because of the Red Heifers. They had
never said that ever. So they're opportunists and they took
advantage of the situation to leverage it. And remember I

(01:00:58):
had talked to Byron in November of twenty three and
he told me at that time, Hey, Mondo, we're planning
on April of twenty four for the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Show, literally like a month removed from the attack.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yep, they were still planning it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Green lights all ago for October or April of twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, perhaps light yep. So obviously once that came out
with Hamas, pressure begin to mount politically, geopolitically for sure,
and the from the powers on high with Yahoo is like,
you're not having a ceremony. We can't throw gasoline on
the We're fighting for our existence here and we're not

(01:01:38):
going to risk alienating the Biden administration. So sorry, the
answer is no, and it squashed it. Boo.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, So yeah, it's it's it's kind of fascinating. So
you are definitely of the thought that they just were
opportunists and wanted to use that as a finger pointing
to say, we came in and attacked you, and we're
just going to say, this is why you did these
provocative things that are going to wipe us off the

(01:02:06):
Temple mount. But the interesting thing that you said, which
I'm so glad you're sharing with today because you know,
we talked before I hit record about how we're so
far removed in the West from a lot of the
things that are happening over there, and we have to
rely on whatever sources we have, and the sources we
have our poor at best in a lot of instances.

(01:02:26):
So stay tuned to Prophecy Watchers because they'll help keep
you a little bit more up to date and Mando
will take care of us. But it's fascinating because yeah,
it seemed to be this was the huge hinge point
for them and the whole reason behind this. And I
know on their flag too, like the Moss Flag I
believe is the dome of the rock. And so this
is just one of those things where they're just using

(01:02:47):
anything and everything to try to point the finger back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Oh. Absolutely. And if you think about the history of Hamas,
I mean Hamas came into power two thousand and seven,
so let's go back to twenty eight, nine, ten eleven,
there's no Red Heifers discussion. They don't need a reason
to kill Jews in their mind. Yeah, it's just their
very just So again, this is why I call it opportunistic,
where they had been causing havoc and terrorism, you know,

(01:03:11):
since two thousand and seven, far earlier before the Red
Heifers ever came into the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, and I want to state here because you know,
again education for me, and I've done some other education
here lately too with some other folks that have studied
at more than I and then dug it in myself
to kind of look into things. You know, every time
we've tried a two state solution, it's never worked. And
this is a case in point of that. Because Gaza

(01:03:37):
was given over to these folks, to the Palestinians quote unquote,
to have at it you know, this is your spot.
And every single time we've done this, we've had some
kind of they have allowed some kind of militant group
like Hamas or whoever it would be, to come in
and wind up taking taking over. And it's just this
has always been the way that it's gone. And that's

(01:03:57):
exactly what happened down in Gaza appears is that accurate?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Oh absolutely, I'll tell you what you know. For anybody
that's been along the coast of Israel, I mean, it's
a Mediterranean wonderland. I mean, Gaza is an amazing place
geographically that there's been billions and billions of dollars given
to the Palestinian groups there after two thousand and five,

(01:04:23):
when Israel unilaterally stepped out. They unilaterally stepped out, I
mean Israel dragged Jewish people from their homes and bulldozed
all their homes and gave it over. And so instead
of taking all that money, billions and billions of dollars
and creating a resort, I mean you've seen the video
with Trump like Trump Gaza, I mean they could have,

(01:04:44):
they could have made that, but instead instead of taking
the money for the cement they like certain cement companies
went in there and gave them their technology. Instead of
building high rises, they built tunnels, you know, the pipes
like the European Union. They sent over massive amounts of
piping in order for sewage and water and everything. And

(01:05:04):
they built rockets with them, rocket launchers. So you look
at what they did. It's there's no excuse. They could
have had a We could be tourists there. I mean
they really we could, but nope.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, it's it's it's a beautiful place. So if you
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So thank you guys very much for helping to support
him and support the show at the same time. So, Mano,

(01:05:41):
the next place I want to go with the conversation.
It kind of leads us to where we are today.
So we did this practice ceremony. It looks like, okay,
maybe all things are a go for some kind of future,
you know timeframe. And then right after that I do
believe it was, or maybe it was right before you
can correct me. Either way, they came out and said
I believe it was after they came out and said that, okay, sorry,

(01:06:03):
but none of the cows we have they've now gone
so long that none of them are qualified anymore. Is that?
Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, there's there's a I'm looking at my timeline because
the time I got gets a little gets a little crazy. Well,
so so you let's just let's let's let's name the
players here, okay. So you have the Temple Institute, which
again we've talked about, and they have they have their
search for the Redhifer. Then you have Bonet Israel, which

(01:06:30):
is a another organization with Byron Sinset and some other
rabbis that are connected to the Temple Institute. So the
Temple Institute came out a few months ago, the main
rabbi there, and he did a video, and he did
a video in uh in Hebrew. One of the other

(01:06:50):
major players in this is a journalist named Adam Eli
Yeah Huberkowitz, and he writes for Israel three sixty five News.
He's been covering the Temple Institute and everything for decades.
So there was a video that came out and he
wrote an article on it because it was only in Hebrew,
and he wrote an article, and the Rabbi said, so
this is interesting. This is what set the tone. This

(01:07:12):
was a few months ago. He said, this is the guy.
I mean, this is the main guy. Let me just say,
this is the main guy that's doing all the research
on the red heifer. So this isn't some you know,
third third level. This is the main guy. And he said,
we are currently unsure whether we have any qualified red heifers. Okay, okay, right,

(01:07:32):
boom might drop, you know, lead yep. So of course
that hits the news. And and so then I had
subsequent to that, Adam had written he had written his
own book on the red heifer. So I wrote the
first book on it. Then Byron wrote his book, and
then Adam wrote his book. So Adam is an Orthodox Jew,

(01:07:53):
so he's writing it from his perspective. I'm writing from
a Christian perspective. Byron's writing it from his own perspective,
being in the mix there. Okay, Well, one of the
things after this, I had interviewed Adam and I said, hey, Adam,
I want to unpack this a little bit, because most
people don't speak rabbi. Okay, so let's let's unpack this.
Did he Let's be clear, he did not come out

(01:08:16):
and say they are all disqualified. He said, we're unsure. Well,
so that's not a lie, that's not maybe it's a
little rabbinic talking, you know, leaving yourself away out. That
certainly is true, but typically speaking, you know, when you
when you when I would talk to Byron, which right

(01:08:39):
after that, I was actually at a museum with Byron
all day at this place in Kansas, and I said, hey,
let's talk about what the rabbi said. And he said, Mondol,
I can just tell you that from the rabbis I
talked to with me, we still have two left, possibly three. Okay.
So that's where Byron's perspective is, Well, let's be really
really technical here that any anybody that says they're qualified,

(01:09:04):
that that's basically a preliminary qualification, because until you bring
the cow on site and get ready to burn it,
it cannot be fully and finally qualified.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Okay, they got to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Do one final inspection. So with the the Temple Institute
and the rabbi saying what he said, he wasn't wrong.
He said, well, we're not sure because we're not there
yet and we don't know whether whether it'll be qualified
on the day of the ceremony. Okay, so okay, that
was a couple of months ago. So now fast forward
to where Byron they he's he knows all this, and

(01:09:36):
of course I don't have a knowledge of everything behind
the scenes. But on July first, Byron took one of
those two, maybe that third one, because he told me
there's a third one that's qualified. It's just not as red.
But red means different things to different people. Could actually
be a brownish color, doesn't mean to be bright red.
So he took one of those. The other two let

(01:10:00):
me say this, what about the two that were fully disqualified,
which even Byron knows that. Well, they didn't make steak
out of him. They put him in the breeding program
because because they're ninety nine percent read, so they're gonna
they're not gonna just burn him up. But what he
did is, I think this is Mondo's opinion. I think
in order to push the envelope, he took one of

(01:10:20):
those read one of the three, and he went and
he built a They had built a place in order
to offer the ceremony in Samaria. Okay. Now some of
the rabbis that were with him said, we checked it.
We believe it's fully qualified. Okay. So they now, all

(01:10:43):
of the other rabbis, you know, there's gonna be a
contingent that don't agree. Well, that's the case in everything. Okay.
So from Byron's perspective, he took a fully qualified redheifer
who was qualified by rabbis who it was offered up
in a ceremony in Samaria on on the all on

(01:11:06):
a in a on a pyre of wood. The ceremony
was conducted by a legitimate priest who was pure, and
it was done according to all the specifications. Okay. So
Byron came out. Then there was a video that came
out on on July eighth on Israel National News. It

(01:11:28):
was a five second clip of a redhier burning, and
I remember watching it. I did an update on it,
and I was like, okay, everybody, First of all, we
know this was not the Mount of Olives, because I
could tell just by looking at the background mount of
all of us. If you if you've been there a lot.
It's very very specific. I was like, man, this looks
like Samaria, this looks like the Samerian mountains. It's very
that looks very specific. And so sure enough, later Byron

(01:11:54):
comes out and says, this was just just a couple
of weeks ago on his Facebook, we did a practice
ceremony in Samaria. He used the word practice. Okay, Well,
then the Temple Institute comes out and they had to respond,
and they came out and said, there's no pure redheifers anymore.

(01:12:15):
They're all disqualified. So they actually came out and there
was no ambiguity anymore. It was there disqualified. And so
now you have the Temple Institute officially saying something, Byron
saying something. Byron working with some of the rabbis from
the Temple Institute who are on his page. He doesn't

(01:12:36):
want to offend his friends at the Temple Institute. So
now you have this drama going on. Now you have it, boy,
and so this is what So, this is what has happened.
It is a red heifer drama. And so the the
Temple Institute came out specifically and said no, that was
a practice. Byron started up saying it was a practice

(01:12:59):
and then late when people were asking him, he said, well,
it was a real ceremony, but he still was using
the word practice that well, it is a real ceremony, everybody,
because everybody kept saying it's a fake ceremony. He said, no,
it was a real ceremony. We did everything right. But
what he said, see again, I'm into words. Okay, Byron said,

(01:13:19):
we did everything right. According to the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
It's not gonna be good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yeah, what did he leave out? Yeah, according to the
oral traditions, the rabbinic traditions, he left that part out.
So everything he said was true. He was not lying.
He said, according to what the rabbis, they agreed this
according to what the Bible says, which is very ambiguous.
According to the rabbinic traditions, everything was done pure. It
was done and he said this it was done outside

(01:13:48):
the camp so which according to numbers nineteen, everything was fine.
So what I responded in another video that I had
done yesterday, he was say, listen, guys, I want you
to understand the dry here. Byron, he's a brother in Lord.
He's not lying, he's saying he's speaking very articularly. Now

(01:14:09):
what I will tell you, though, He did say, though,
in his comments to others that the ceremony, he is, Oh,
there's going to be another ceremony. We still have more cows.
There's going to be another ceremony on the Mount of Olives,
which that ceremony will fulfill the requirements of the oral tradition.

(01:14:29):
So even though he's saying this is a real ceremony
and those ashes have been given to the Temple Institute,
he himself recognizes that it is not going to be
accepted by the majority of rabbis. But he did it anyway,
I think again to push the envelope a little bit,
to try to get him to to let's get moving here.
We did the ceremony, and he also did it he

(01:14:50):
called it a practice in order to understand some of
the details of how much would you need, what size
do we need, how can we get the cow, the
redheffer there, the cow there, et cetera. So people are
now running with on social media saying, well Byron said
it was real, Therefore it's done. Prophecy has been fulfilled.

(01:15:12):
That is not what he said. It's not what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
The other thing, too, is it's a deal breaker because
and again correct me, if I'm wrong. This has to
be done on the Mount of Olives, you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Know, one hundred percent. Remember if again, I can try
to tell people, think like a Jewish person, think like
a rabbi. The old tradition says amount of olives. The
Bible just says somewhere outside the camp. So they go, oh, well,
we checked this box. Yes, but they did not check
this one off. It will never be accepted unless it's

(01:15:46):
done on the Mount of Olives. It just won't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
And the amount of olives, you know, is pretty big
hill right next to Jerusalem, like you say in the book,
you know, the amount of the amount of intense fire
and smoke this is to produce. It's gonna be pretty
big barbecue. Man. You're gonna see it for a long
way away. You're gonna know when this happens. There's no
hiding it. And I don't think they want to hide it.
They've gone to all this trouble. They've gone to all

(01:16:11):
this trouble. They want this to be celebrated. They want
it to be something that the whole world sees. And
I keep reflecting back to you know, just for everybody's
understanding what you said earlier, and it makes a lot
of sense about Hamas because where these cows have been kept,
according to what we've been told, is in Shiloh, which
is I believe where they have the original tabernacle, right,

(01:16:34):
and Shiloh is like not that far from Jerusalem in
the grand scheme of what we would think in America,
you know, it's like north northeast of Jerusalem. And these
cows were literally like pretty much out there for visitors
to come and see, and you know, they were like
hardly guarded at all. And it never made sense to
me because I'm like, okay, if you're Hamas and putting

(01:16:56):
together two and two now, and I kind of feel
stupid that I came up with five and not four.
But if you're so dead set and you're so angry
about these cows, it shouldn't be that hard to throw
an RPG into the pen, you know what I mean.
If you're going to go to this extreme of getting
paragliders and doing all this crazy stuff to come over
from Gaza into Israel and kill thousands of people, it
shouldn't be that hard to take out five red heifers

(01:17:18):
that are barely guarded in a couple pens that are
north northeast of Jerusalem, So that begs the question of
were those the actual cows? So we get a little
bit into the weeds here, which is it's fun. You know,
nobody needs to get upset and angry, but it just
seems like, you know, I guess the first question I
would have is it appears to me that the government

(01:17:41):
is all for this and they're behind it. Is that
fair to say?

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Well, it depends the government. Again, even this religious government
still has a level of pragmatism, and Yahoo has been
very silent on all of these issues publicly, and so
there's no doubt even Ben Gavere, I haven't heard him

(01:18:05):
say anything publicly about the red heifers. We know he's
a religious Orthodox, and so he of course he desires
he's pushing the Temple mount status quo change. So there's
no doubt he's pro temple, I would imagine. But the
pragmatism of having the ceremony that I actually think that

(01:18:25):
once the Hamas situation has calmed down, I actually think
they will move forward with it. But the interesting thing is,
so you have the politics there, but even within the
rabbinic movement, which is very diverse, very diverse, people need
to understand it is extremely diverse. Some groups don't even
care necessarily about the temple. Some of them don't even
care about the temple. I'm like, oh, yeah, those a

(01:18:46):
bunch of you know, that's the group that's worried about that. Yeah,
well they might even say, yeah, that group is worried
about the red heifers. We're not worried about it. Will happen.
When it happens, Masaia will do it. In that regard,
you have some other Jews that don't even want the
temple still, that are religious Jews. They're comfortable in living

(01:19:06):
that they've had two thousand years of Judaism without a temple,
so they're like, you know, give it or take, and
we don't need it. So you're going to find a
variety of of disagreements. This is why you have Byron saying, well, hey,
eighty percent of the Temple Institute rabbis agree that these
heffers are still qualified. So he said that publicly eighty percent,

(01:19:28):
So there's still the contingent. But if it happened to
be the twenty percent that are in power, that are
in control or the leaders, well that makes a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Sure, Yeah, exactly. It just makes me. The reason I
go there is because they're very smart, the government especially,
you know, from a militaristic standpoint of how they operate,
they're very smart. They're masters at misdirection and propaganda, communication
and the wrong dirt, getting you going the wrong way.

(01:19:58):
You know, if you look at some of the the
things that they've done while we are agast in the
West of how they handle their enemies, they are brutal
and they're brilliant. And you would think that if this
is that important to some of the government officials that
are in so such a high position, I would think
that some of the care and protection and some of
these same tactics would be employed when it came to

(01:20:21):
these cattle.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Well, the interesting thing about it is the en Byron
said this again just this week, that he owns he
owns the cows. Okay, it's not the Temple Institute. So
here you have this. You know, Boney is a group
which again he's one of the biggest contributors, no doubt

(01:20:42):
to that financially. So he would say that Bone is
Rule owns the cows, so it's not the Temple Institute,
et cetera. So that being the case, they're responsible for
the care of them. They're responsible for the security, which
again has been surprisingly laxed because you wouldn't even need
an RPG. You just need to walk in there and

(01:21:02):
just slice it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, Like, from what I saw, it was I was shocked.
I was shocked. I'm like, okay, well, you got your
enemy that's saying that they're doing all this, you know,
because they are mad that you're doing this, and yet
you're going to have these cows like in the middle
of nowhere, hardly guarded. It didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Well, you know what Adam Berkowitz, who again, who's he's
writing in the mixt of writing all this? He he
when I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago, a
few weeks ago, he said, Mondo, he goes, I don't know,
there is an orthodox Jew, right, So he goes and
he's he's learning more and more about Christianity and Christians
and you know, and he's seeing the diversity of Christianity.

(01:21:44):
And I'm like, I said, Adam, you're going to have
just yeah, diversity of Jewish people and they're thinking religiously, Christians,
you name it. But he said, Mondo, there are more
Christians that come see the Redheifers than Jews. I don't understand,
and I said, well, I got let me tell you why.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
So it's so fascinating, isn't it to see how the
other half thinks? You know, Like again, at the end
of the day, everybody's clamoring for a Messiah. Everybody has
the same goal. It's just a difference in you know,
where we're at on the timeline as far as where
we think we are, you know, unfortunately, you know, hopefully

(01:22:22):
he comes into the fold and he realizes that, you know,
Jesus is the way, because that's it. Man. I'm sorry,
but you know the way we view it too, is
I guess I guess the backup when you told him
and you explained it that that ultimately we view this
as prophecy that's going to be horrendously bad, but ultimately
we'll bring back our Messiah. What was his take on that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
You know, he he looks at it, and it's it's
hard for him too, because if somebody says, hey, look
this is going to end badly, well, that often is
associated with anti Semitism or replacementology, and so it's hard
for him to to really to see Christians who again,

(01:23:05):
the evangelicals are are confusing too, because he's like, well,
I know that you guys, you guys support Israel, but
yet you you don't think that that the Jews are saved,
and how does that work? And so it's it's very
confusing in the sense of understanding that the again a
perspective of I think a Roman's nine through eleven perspective

(01:23:28):
that Paul you think about Paul. Let's take Paul, who's
a Jew. Okay, he loves his brothers, but he believes
they're unsaved. Okay. Romans ten says that, so he desires
for them to know the Messiah because he knows salvation
is only through the Messiah, and so through the Messiah Jesus.
And so Paul has this this ceasing, unceasing anguish in
his hard for his brothers and so, but that is

(01:23:49):
you don't hear that sort of teaching, and so oftentimes
it's very confusing for again Orthodox you to be like, well,
wait a minute, we already have a relationship with with God.
Yet Paul, another Jew would say, no, you don't, bro
I'm your ethnic brother. And so, of course, the typical
rabbinic mindset. Orthodox Jewish mindset would reject that certainly, wholeheartedly, sure,

(01:24:14):
and as being just wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense what you just
said about the anti Semitics standpoint of it, because there's
a sensitivity to that they and rightfully so, because we
do have a lot of anti Semitism and they get
a lot of anti smit We have a lot of
anti Semitism in the church, right that people are very
and you get into this in the book too, which

(01:24:37):
was great from an understanding standpoint of you know, you
guys kill Jesus, so then you're horrible people, and you know,
and it just it's this complete like argument, circular argument
every which way you turn from both sides. And they're
so used to being treated with anti Semitism from their
enemies around them, from other Christians, from everyone else in

(01:25:00):
the world that they probably are overly sensitive to it
and cautious about it. And so that makes a ton
of sense what you just said. And so and it's
hard because you have to put yourself in the other
person's shoes, whether you agree or not, and understand it
from their perspective, because it'll make the conversations understanding that

(01:25:22):
much deeper on how hard it is for them to
come around, just like it's we look at it and
are like, what do you guys? You know, how could
you not figure this out? They look at it the
completely opposite way of like, what do you not understand?
We're trying to be faithful to God, We're actually doing
the right things, and it's just such a catch twenty
two every which way you turn from an understanding perspective.
That's why it's it's good to think of it from

(01:25:44):
the other side. But this kind of takes us full
circle back to the three questions you asked in the book,
which is great because it does get into, like some
of the a little bit of gray areas in some instances,
as far as ambiguity of what is good and what
is bad when it comes to all the things we've
talked today in the building of the Temple. And the

(01:26:06):
first question is, you know, is it okay to get
excited about the prospect of them actually doing this because
we view it obviously from the standpoint of, yes, it's
going to bring about the Antichrist. Yes, it's going to
be prophetically the beginning of all things horrendous from that
point forward. But ultimately we'll usher in Christ. So it's

(01:26:26):
a very clear prophetic marker point on the map and
on the timeline. So ultimately is it okay to feel
good about this? So, and I know you go into
asking a lot of your peers about this and a
lot of other folks about this, but just share your
viewpoint on if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Yeah, the I will share one in the sense of
one others. This is where like, for example, a Mirtsar
Fadi who's Israeli. He's a missy and Jew and lives
in Israel, and he gets he gets actually upset when
he sees Christians getting excited about the Third Temple, and
because he again as a Messian a Jew, is like,

(01:27:06):
how can you be excited about a temple that is
going to be desecrated by the Antichrist, who then is
going to turn around and try to and kill two
thirds of the Jews? So how could you be excited
about that? It's like, so I included him in there
because the way my view is, well, am I excited,
Well let's nuance this, okay, am I excited about what

(01:27:28):
Amir just said? Well, no, I'm not excited about that.
I'm excited about these events that are happening show that
what's coming afterwards is we're entering into the period of
time where ultimately Jesus returns and he fixes the world
and he saves the Jewish people after they repent and
trust in him. So that's what I'm excited about. So

(01:27:49):
in the sense of as long as we clarify and
articulate what we're excited about, I think that, yeah, we
should be excited about all these things, because again, there's
some people that I hear that will be like, oh, yeah, Jesus,
you know, it could be centuries before he comes back.
I'm like, are you paying attention now? I'm not saying
it's next week. But Israel's been in the land for

(01:28:11):
seventy seven years. Law, Now, I don't I don't imagine
that Israel, it would God would bring them back to
the land and they would sit in the in the
land for four or five hundred years before the end
of the age. That just seems very unlikely. You know,
here in a few years, in twenty thirty, two thirty three,
it's going to be two thousand years since that. Then,

(01:28:32):
since the Lord was here and ascended in heaven and
the Church began so you know, we're just seven seven years,
eight years shy of that. So that is a very
good indicator in my mind that we are approaching the
end of the age somewhat, and which would be no surprise, honestly,
if if God brought Israel back, you know, basically eighty

(01:28:55):
some years prior to the end of the age and
they were came back and then they lived it out.
So that being the case, we should be excited. We
just have to be careful and what we share we're
excited about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, for sure, it makes it makes sense. It really
does kind of lay it in the same spot you
do there. The next question, and this is the one
that really kind of I think is the most controversially
ambiguous of all of them, which is is it okay
for a Byron Stenson and someone that is going to

(01:29:30):
do whatever it would be to help bring this about?
Is that okay?

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yeah? And so what I did there, and I was
actually kind of surprised by this is I as you said,
I sent it out to I don't know a dozen
or so of of my peers and said, hey, just
three questions. I'm gonna ask you this. I won't edit
anything out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
What do you think, and well you did. You got all.
You got the whole rage, you got the whole smash, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Because so I mean again, as Byron, who's a brother
in the Lord, love him, he's he's and he's gone
full steam. Not only is it okay, he's leading to charge.
And then you have others that say absolutely not that
it is this is uh, it's this is not okay
to do this. It's again, it's Jesus is the final answer.

(01:30:21):
We don't need another temple, So to contribute to it
would be promoting a system that is contrary, specifically contrary
to the finished work of Jesus. So again, so you
have that. And ultimately, the the where I landed on
this is this is a Romans fourteen issue. Romans fourteen
is just describes in these secondary issues that there's they

(01:30:42):
all have theological underpinnings. That's why I wrote a whole
chapter on what the New Testament says about in the
Book of Hebrews. But I said, ultimately, is it can
I say to somebody like Byron, you're sinning, Well, I
don't have a scripture for that, because I know that
Byron trusts in Jesus's Lord and this is the Messiah
and he doesn't take anything away from that. And so

(01:31:03):
but ultimately what I ended with was, look, each person
is going to have to pray about it, and they're
going to be led by how they feel led by
the Lord in any of those situations. Now, I can't
speak for God. I can't say that God is going
to speak with a double forked tongue and say it's
okay for you, but it's not okay for you. I

(01:31:23):
don't really know. I just know the sufficiency of Jesus
on the Cross, and we know the future of what
this temple is going to bring. So I mean, just personally,
speaking for myself, I said, well, I couldn't do it
in the sense of giving money for the Third Temple.
I would rather give money to Jews for Jesus or
Chosen People ministries in order to see them saved, rather
than to participate in a system where they're going to

(01:31:44):
end up becoming deceived by the Antichrist. And so that's
my own personal opinion. But I'm not going to, as
Paul says in Romans fourteen, I'm not going to show
contempt or judge another brother in that area that's between
him and the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yeah, because when it all happens, we do see Jesus,
We're going to be like, well, Barn, you know, I mean,
I have believed in what you were doing. But thanks dude,
you know what I mean. Ultimately that's going to be
kind of the way it is. And then the third question,
and this is theologically an interesting question, and I was
trying to rack my brain for and you provided some
examples in the Bible, and I was just trying to
rack my brain for some additional ones, which is, you know,

(01:32:20):
will God if nobody, if nobody gave them anything, would
God provide for everything that they needed in ordered to
do this? While ultimately the building of the temple is
a complete spit in the face of Jesus from our perspective, right,
because you know, it just is from the sacrificial perspective,

(01:32:41):
in the salvation perspective, would God provide the things necessary
in order for them to accomplish this for his own purposes,
which would be all the fulfillment of prophecy and all
the end times events leading up to Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, this to me is I tend to think theologically
and the sovereignty of God and the grand scheme of
things because and I felt that this is important because
one of the examples that I think of is in
Deuteronomy chapter thirteen, where it's a very interesting passage where

(01:33:17):
God says to Israel, Moses says, if a prophet arises
and he does miracles, and yet he calls you to
go after other gods or to go after other ways,
then I put it as a test to you, okay,

(01:33:42):
and so don't follow them. And so you think, well, okay,
so here is a genuine miracle, like these are genuine miracles,
or the guy predicts the future and it happens. Well,
if you PLoP Deuteronomy thirteen right in the heart of
Revelation thirteen, what do you have. You have a guy
showing up on the scene, who is surrounded by miracles,

(01:34:03):
who is an anti Christ figure, who is the Antichrist
figure who's coming on the scene promising the Jews to
restore Moses and the Mosaic covenant as we know Daniel
nine twenty seven, the Antichrist. He confirms this mosaic covenant
he's which allows them to do sacrifices offering, which then
he seeks to change. Okay, So it's pretty fascinating. But

(01:34:26):
in the midst of all that, I also think that
when they make an agreement with him, this, when when
the Antichrist confirms the covenant for them, is what it
literally says in the Hebrew. It literally says, he will
cause the covenant to prevail the jew for them, the
Jewish people. So when they come to accept this, one

(01:34:47):
of the things that they are going to be accepting
again is to be re embracing Moses in his fullness,
which is the opposite of the Lord Jesus. You know,
Jesus said again, if you followed Moses, you'd believe in me.
So I find it fascinating that that when they do this,
God is going to say, and I almost think that
the two witnesses are going to be there right before

(01:35:07):
that and over one hundred and forty four thousand and
so there'll be this clarity, don't go back to Moses,
embrace Jesus as the Messiah. Well, we know according to
First John chapter two, twenty two through twenty four that
the message of the Antichrist, this is fascinating. Who is
the Antichrist, the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah.

(01:35:32):
So you think that's going to be his message is, Hey,
I'm going to cause Moses to prevail for you, you guys all,
I'm going to give you the opportunity to read, to
reduce sacrifices and build a temple. But just remember Jesus
is not the Messiah. That's fine with us. Well man,
that's an offense, right. It's like this fresh rebellion against
the revelation of Jesus being the Messiah by the current leadership.

(01:35:54):
It's the same sin. This leadership, this Jewish leadership, is
going to commit the same sin that the first century
leadership did. And God's get allowed them to be tested.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
It makes it makes so much circular sense because one
of the it fits with It fits with scripture perfectly,
and there's so many things that you can see in scripture.
There's there's a harmonious mathematical repeat that occurs throughout scripture.
And that's why for me too, I look at some
of the mathematics, and I know that maybe a little corny,

(01:36:27):
and I know that, you know, people have their own
challenges with that, but I look at some of that
and I see some of the harmonious things that are
on the horizon from a date perspective, and I the
more I study, the more I see how you know,
God loves his symmetry when it comes to time frames
and periods and all these things. And the other thing too,
is just from a coupling from the standpoint of, you know,

(01:36:51):
we can't continue on this path that we're on as
far as the transhumanism and the transgender there's not We're
not gonna be anything left of us, you know, genetically speaking,
we just we're destroying ourselves quickly and it's just going
to keep getting faster and faster. So the hockey stick
is not sustainable as far as the curve goes. But yeah,
much to the point of this third question, I guess,

(01:37:11):
just to jump back to that, I view it like, man,
I don't know how much God's going to need to
do because they are so dead set on this. I
mean even they would have had it done by now
if they hadn't made it so hard on themselves from
an overburdened perspective of their you know, if they would
have just stuck to much to Byron's you know, I
think what he where he comes from, is well, you guys,
wild filled scripture. You just haven't fulfilled your own rabbitic teachings. Yep,

(01:37:34):
so it's kind of fascinating. Well, hey, guys, if you've
enjoyed this conversation today, definitely want to pick up a
copy of Mondo's book. Okay, you're definitely gonna want to
check this out, The Mystery of the Red Heifer, and
I believe the continued title is Israel, the End Times
and the Building of the Third Temple, So definitely want
to check that out. You can click on your screen

(01:37:54):
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thanks so much, dude. I really enjoyed talking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Yeah, it's been great man, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
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(01:38:33):
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