Tearing The Veil

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Skinwalker.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think that whole area out there is kind of
portal activity and things are passing through, you know, and
we're out there playing with it and trying to get
it to do its thing, and there's just all kinds
of whacked out stuff. But it seems like too that
that whole area out there going back because that's heavy
Indian territory, right, There's a lot of history there, and

(00:29):
the skin Walker itself is really in essence black magic
being able to tie into witchcraft, on the Indian version
of witchcraft, and actually morph into one of these critters.
And you know, like we've got the story, which we
still need to schedule your dad to get him on here,
but where they basically attacked your dad and your mom

(00:50):
actually morphed into something else than when after him when
they were in their trailer, I think we all get

(01:10):
the feeling that's something just isn't right in the world.
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Please.

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Speaker 1 (08:39):
So reach out there. See my pretty face, yeah, make
sure they see your beautiful your beautiful mug. My crazy
here today. So yeah, exactly. It's getting long, man, Yeah
it is. So it's telling Maria. I was like, you know,
I like my hair along, but my eyebrows are getting
long and my sides are getting long. I could. I

(09:00):
can't hang in there and do it, man, it just
drives me too crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I can't. I can't hang in there Christmas. Yeah, you've
been going since you've gone that long though, Yeah, I
can't it just my hair starts doing wacky stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
But but yeah, I think it'll go. Yeah, you'll be
all right. You'll be a full fledged, full fledged hippy.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know. You know I got the you can't do anymore,
you know, Yeah, right there you go. Yeah, yeah, you
went out and got that piercing just for that. That's right,
that's right. But I will say, Gabe did say last
week we were working outside, He goes, Dad, you look
so good now with the hair encouraged. Your behavior was like,

(09:36):
what did you say? Can you say that again?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
By the way, before any of you give me any vitriol,
I just want to just disclaimer this painting right here.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I actually painted that.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's covering an electrical box until we get something else cool,
But it's.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Not a rainbow. I'm not supporting any agenda. I like that.
I like a lot of color. Yeah, me too. That
was like a paint. It was one of those whining canvases.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
What that was? So?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So did you wine on the canvas? I put oil
on the canvas and I don't know that I had wine,
but no, I mean like not like drink wine wine
like no, No, that was not its usually when I paint,
I whine because it doesn't turn out. And then I
remember what Bob Ross said, it's your world. You can
make whatever you want. There's no mistakes, there's only happy accidents.

(10:23):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, i'll tell you what isn't a happy accident. Some
of the things that we're getting into, see it's the
segue through. There's pretty good one. Some of the things
that we are going to cover today. And really this
is something that is becoming more and more prominent, which
is people are dabbling in all of these different things
that ultimately are designed for but one purpose, which is
to totally get in there and totally monkey around with

(10:46):
an alternate dimension and inviting things in. We have had
many discussions with people on this show where ultimately that
seems to be the base premise of it. Whether it's
night you know, issues while you're sleeping with sleep paralysis
or any of that stuff, there's a dimensional tear that

(11:08):
seems like an invitation for something to come into our
dimension from the spiritual realm. And it's really not good
because it seems to be that we're doing more and
more of these things on purpose, and it's allowing more
and more communication from the other realm, which is not good.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, And as you know, I think about that quite
a bit too. I mean, yeah, what's going on.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, like the conversation we had with Citizen D when
it came to crop circles. Yeah, you know, they didn't
realize and when you and I heard it, it was like, well,
you're basically whatever you're doing on the ground is opening
up a portal for something to pass through. And there's
about eighty million different ways and we're going to get
into some of them today where this is happening, where

(11:55):
they're tearing the veil right there. That's the whole premise
of the show, is we're tearing the veil on purpose
in order to commune with things on the other side
and allowing things to pass through. Like I personally think over, oh,
what's the place out in Utah Walker, No skin Walker.

(12:15):
I think that whole area out there is kind of
portal activity and things are passing through, you know, and
we're out there playing with it and trying to get
it to do its thing, and there's just all kinds
of whacked out stuff. But it seems like too that
that whole area out there, going back because that's heavy
Indian territory, right, there's a lot of history there, and

(12:39):
the skin walker itself is really in essence black magic,
being able to tie into witchcraft, on the Indian version
of witchcraft, and actually morph into one of these critters.
And you know, like, we've got this story, which we
still need to schedule your dad to get him on here,
but where they basically attacked your dad and mom while

(13:00):
they were in their trailers.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
A skin walker. Yeah, I actually morphed into something else
and went after them when they were in their trailer.
Yeah out there. Yeah, that's if you ever want to
scare of somebody, tell them, tell.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Them that story. So, yeah, we're gonna get your dad
on here and have him talk about all that. He's
got some crazy stories from being out there on the reservation.
But but yeah, man, it's it's it's all of these things.
Right then we've got cer and where we got a
concerted science effort to deliberately rip the veil, yeah, and
monkey around and reach across and see what's over there.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, it's crazy. Can you bring me up just a
little bit? Yeah that's better. That better? Yeah, Okay, now
I can hear I had to turn you. I had
Adrian down here testing, so I turned your bike down
because she was she's got tender ears, yeah, and I
and your deaf. No, she's just really tender.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
But yeah, man, we're doing all these different types of things,
and then then you get into like Rogan, right, you
get into the d MT, into the hyahuasca and you know,
the LSD and all of these type of things that
alters your brain chemistry and like unlocks you. So that
you get into that, it's almost like it's like that
state you get into when you are sleeping, that weird

(14:17):
tweener state between awake and the sleep where it just
strange something happens to us in that time where something
cracks open.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So we got to byron On here. He actually says
he lives just down the street from Skinwalker Ranch. So yeah,
creepy man. I'm sure you've probably got some stories and
some experiences. So yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
The whole area out there is a mystery anyway. I mean,
what was really going on before we were here exactly.
I mean, well, it's like you go to the Indians
and all of these sites in Mexico and all of
the places like out west, even here in the United States,

(15:04):
and there's histories of giants.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
There's histories of giants, and they're like, we didn't build it,
we just came and it was here, it was already here.
And then it's like whatever civilization was here prior to
that was who built it? Yeah, it's like what is
it starts with a sea? That's how west. There's like
a big, big, huge complex and they're like miles apart,
but they're still like perfectly celestially aligned and you can't
even see each other.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I forget the name of it. Well, and the Egyptian
carvings and art in the Grand Canyon, right, how's that happen? Yeah,
how's that happen? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well, and you've got the same you know, hieroglyphics and
stuff that are appearing in the temples in South central
and South America are in the same things that are
over in you know, the Middle East and all that.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Now that happened? Yeah what what? What? Angel? Yeah? Angel, Angel?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, Well it probably would have been yeah, then the offspring,
because the would have taught the offspring, but it would
have been it would have been watchers, I would say, yeah,
no doubt about it. Yeah, but I think a lot
of this stuff goes back to what two hundred of them, right,
two hundred, and then you had what fifty there was
a ten or fifty that were like the main I
think it was maybe ten ten ten that were maybe

(16:19):
twenty or twenty. Yeah, but you got you know, simi Asa,
that's the head of everything. And then you've got all
the other characters generals, right, and then you know, all
get special set aside there because he was extra naughty. Yeah,
for all the stuff he did, I turned myself down
to and it is bothering me.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So I'm deaf too, apparently, I wonder what, well, yeah,
they just did bad things. I had bad thing, baby
did a bad, bad thing. Chris Isaac. Yeah, oh my goodness.
So yeah, there's there's all kinds of stuff, man.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
And then and then you know, cern like, didn't they
come out here recently and say that they actually accomplish
ripping the veil?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think? So yeah, I think there's more to it
than just oh we rip the veil. I mean you
would be able to me, you would have to see
to me, okay you rip it? Who cares? Yeah? But
the spiritual aspect of it, what are you actually seeing

(17:25):
that you're not telling anybody, right, are you seeing the battle? Yeah?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I have to laugh here because good old Google, you
know they're gonna give you the truth. You can always
guarantee that Google's going to give you the truth. I
love this here it says the phrase CERN opening the
veil refers to a conspiracy theory that CERN scientists are
trying to open a portal to another dimension like hell.
Social media posts of sometimes circulated videos of vents at
CERN or other locations claiming they demonstrate this, but these

(17:55):
claims are unfounded and often linked to an old, unrelated event,
the opening of the Godthard based tunnel, which is okay,
which is funny because I had that on the list
of things time that before. Because another way to rip
the veil is to do these demonics, like yeah, rituals, right,
Well that's what Crowley did. Where Area fifty one is

(18:16):
you're communing and you're deliberately doing all of these you know,
crazy rituals and you know orgies and magic, and you're
doing all this wicked stuff to deliberately provoke, Yeah, these
things to happen. Yeah, the best way we're talking about
ripping the veil, is like when Frodo puts the ring on.

(18:38):
Oh yeah, that would be probably the best way. Yeah,
being completely able to see into the other side. Yeah,
you know, and there are people who claim that that ability.
Like we reached out to Mica Turnbow. It didn't really
ever happen, and they were slow to get back and
it just never really lined up maybe somewhere down the line.
But have you heard of him before? You've heard before?
What do you think of that? Do you think people

(18:59):
have the ability? There was another one that I reached
out to that I have.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't want to stay yes, and I don't want
to say no, you know what I mean, because it's
just so crazy, Like it's so out there, because we
are in the Western world and we if we can't
fill it, you know, touch it, taste it, eat it,
we don't believe it. Yeah, it's it's a hard one. Yeah.

(19:25):
But the people like in the Middle East and like
dare I say the like other we've talked about this,
other religions that are very spiritual, Yeah, and they understand
that they believe in that. Why doesn't the Church They've
had a beat right out of them, you know. It's

(19:46):
what we've We've talked about this a couple different times
on the show as far as the ability to tie
into you know, when we think of the Occult, which Byron,
if it's the Byron, who I think it is Byron,
you know, does a lot in this world. The Occult
believes in this stuff one hundred and fifty percent, and

(20:06):
they are able to use it and actually make it happen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But the Church has just for decades now just completely
suppressed any attempt whatsoever to understand or come with that
combat the ability to do that. On the positive side.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do you think the reason why the church does that
that I just had this is because they have been
beaten to death with the rapture and they're going to
be taken out of here so it doesn't matter, and
they've become weak. I think it's very possible. Yeah, I mean,
because what makes a person way, well, I don't have

(20:49):
to worry about anything. I'm gonna be gone.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, it's it's the Church has become very self centered. Yeah,
you know, I mean the root of all sin is selfishness,
and that's exactly what the church is. You know, you
and I were talking for here record and next Sunday
we're going to get into this topic, which is sexual
sin in the church and how to handle it, which
is this should be a fun one and I can't
wait to throw it on the group where we were

(21:11):
having some of these discussions, because it was it was
so painful for me to watch, because like you and
I talked about, the church just has no idea how
to handle things. But then they can't because they're ignorant
to the the scripture because they're not taught. H I
was among them until I started to educate myself, and God, actually,

(21:32):
you know, through my efforts, put things in front of
my face and just gave me an ability to understand
and be able to help others understand. And I'm thankful
for that. I'll be eternally grateful for that. But the
vast majority of those that are church, the regular church,
have no clue whatsoever how to combat anything of the occult.
They actually just think that that stuff doesn't exist. Yeah,

(21:56):
but they have no ability to distinguish a lot of
the things that are said in the Bible on a
deeper level and how it all ties into the Old Testament,
and so they're just completely lost. They read stuff and
they either misinterpret it or they twist it to fit
whatever interpretation they want, which I saw a lot of
this week in defense of their own selfishness.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
See, well, I don't want to I don't want to
get into a whole lot on that. I just you know, yeah,
because I want to save for the show. But it's
a worthy of two week discussion. But anyway, it's like
I said before, if if they're not in the church,
who cares.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, that's just the thing is, like, you know, there's
a again, there's a there's a how we're supposed to
handle people in the church is completely different than how
we handle the world.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, and it's I think the church has such a
knee jerk reaction to things. Oh absolutely, they don't. They're
not taking care of what they need to be taken
care of. The church. So homosexual it's the I don't

(23:10):
know understand why homosexual is the big one because they
don't address adultery. They don't address well, adultery, a lot
of stuff, Yeah, they don't, but they tend to jump
on that one. And we that's when we like, okay,

(23:31):
why is it this one. You're not addressing your health,
the health, you're well being I mean that's just as important, right.
I Mean, you can set and do a lot of
things outside of the church and be good, and you

(23:52):
can do set and do things in the church that
are bad, you know. And I'm not saying it's like
the church needs to get a grasp of what's important, amen,
and that is education of what you actually believe.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think all this stuff, for me, what i've seen,
goes back to our parents' generation because that was the
hell Fire and Brimstone generation. Yeah, right, And it goes
back you further than that. It was the hell fire
and Brimstone generation. And if you talked about this stuff
or you try to educate yourself on these things, it
was a taboo topic. Yeah, and you were going to

(24:29):
you were just inviting the enemy to take your life
over and pull you to the dark side of the force.
And we buried our heads in the sand. And now
through that process we have stopped understanding what the Bible
says about it. And then we don't even address things

(24:49):
anymore because we don't. We were completely ignorant to what
the Bible says. So if we're ignorant to what the
Bible says, how can we combat anything on a positive
like on a high degree, I'm thinking of sex. Yeah,
and there's a book in the Bible that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, that's right. I think I shared a thing where
the guy opens up and the sucker plane, let's get
it on. You know. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a
good video. You know that we don't talk about that.
That's a health that's a healthy version of it. Yeah,
there's a lot of poetic and flowery. Yeah, but when

(25:31):
you read your hair flows like the Mountain high racks. Yes,
but when my wife, when you read it and you
understand what's actually going on, it's very healthy. And the
Church never had a healthy It was like, you do anything,
you're going to go to hell. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, which is so funny to me because all
of the things that will actually send you to hell,
we stopped educating anybody on and now everybody's on the
fast track to hell because they're doing all these things.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Is that you know.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I spent a lot of time in scripture this week
dealing with this particular issue, and I know we're going
to get into it more next week and we'll get
off the topic of this week. But they're all tied together.
There's a string that runs through all of it, which
is ignorance. There's a threat of ignorance that runs all
the way through the Church and all of these topics
because we just pretend that this stuff doesn't exist, and

(26:22):
we completely cherry pick and skip over things that we
don't want to read. Like, you know, I love how
the vast majority of New Age Christianity just wants to
throw Paul to the wind. Yeah, they hate Paul, but
they love to crutch on Christ and they love to
take Christ's words and twist it and turn it into
something that it wasn't intended to be, Which is funny

(26:42):
to me because gee, whiz, who anointed Paul?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
So was Christ perfect or was he not perfect? Because
in my book, he was perfect, and if his decisions
are perfect, I would think that he was even more
perfect after death at that particular point. And it was
after death where he meets Paul in Damascus Road and
act actually you know, chooses him, anoints him, and you
think he might have even took and he've been trained
him for a few years. Yeah, before the vast majority

(27:08):
of the things in the New Testament happened. Yeah, and
they just throw that aside. That's never discussed. Yeah, And
it's the same thing with all of this stuff. And
one of the things is like pharmakia, right, one of
the quickest ways to rip the veil open that people
are engaging all the time are drugs. But we've got
people taking d MT, which, by the way, if you're

(27:29):
not familiar, and I've got this so I'll share it
really quick. This is just a quick Wikipedia page on hyahuasca. I'm, i'm,
I've always put youered the words here ayahuasca all right,
which is South American psychoactive beverage traditionally used by indigenous
cultures and folk healers in the Amazon and Orinoco basins.

(27:57):
Now here's the deal. For any you that have a subscription,
I would highly encourage you to go watch the second
season of Apocalypse what's the Apocalypse show with what's his name?
Ancient Apocalypse, Thank You, because it all focuses on the

(28:18):
America's specifically, and Graham Hancock goes down to South America
and he gets into like one of the episodes is
on this stuff and digging into ayahuasca. And when you
look at how you have to make this stuff very
complicated and detailed process involving a lot of different stuff.

(28:40):
There is no way that some human being knew how
to do this, Like the amount of experimentation that you
would have to do in order to synthesize this at
the just just right. It is a pretty complicated thing
to do. And when I watched it, and Adrian was

(29:00):
right there with me, I looked at that and I'm like,
somebody taught them how to do that, which, for me,
the light bulb came on in my head when it
talks in the Book of Enoch the cutting of roots,
I think this is what the cutting of roots is
talking about. Yeah, it's teaching them how to do these
psychoactives in order to rip the veil in order to
commune with us. And I've always thought that, yeah, right,

(29:24):
and for me, and I think maybe you've even said
it before, but it wasn't. It wasn't the bell wasn't
going off. But when I saw this, it was like
the light just finally came on and I'm like, oh, well,
that's okay, that makes a lot of sense now that
that's what that means.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right, So.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I that was the That was kind of an eye
opening moment. For me because DMT the active ingredients after
you make this is dimeth. I'm a budget DIMETHI lie
like to mean DMT.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, I could have just skipped over all that and
just said DMT. This is how you get DMT. Okay,
just like if we want to synthesize THHC or whatever
a CBD, because you're taking the original ingredient and you're
just pulling it out right. So what they've done now
is they are pulling out just DMT out of this.
But this is where DMT comes from. And you can

(30:26):
tell when they're taking this this stuff. That's the whole
point of it is to go on this trip and
they talk about, you know, Joe Rogan's taking it many times, right,
DMT and how it's crazy and you go on this
trip and you see these aliens a lot of times
and these entities and all that. I'm like, that's not coincidence.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, they're they're welcoming you in.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think I think that you've actually at that point.
I think somehow that actually has stepped you into the
we have translated over into the other dimension. Somehow, there's
something that's happened where you're meeting together or whatever the
case is. Yeah, So I mean, so so here you go.
This is this is how nuts this has gotten. Man,

(31:08):
how far we've let this stuff go as far as
the church without taking a stand. More recently, new phenomenon
regarding ayahuasca has evolved and moved to urban centers like
you can go get it, like you know Joe's Low
Bob tobacco shop.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, with the emergence of neo shamic hybrid rituals and
spiritual and recreational drug tourism. Right, so they're committing rituals
and they're doing this stuff just like what would you
have on the Indian reservations.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, they'd go and.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
They'd have a sweat, right, and they'd smoke peyote, peote
and trip trip out and they'd see all this stuff and.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
They would get some sort of blessing.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right, it's the same stuff, man, it's just now it's
gotten so pervasive and it's just going to keep happening. Oh,
you can't fathom it's going to stop. Right, Yeah. But
you know, you go back and you look at LSD.
I think LSD was a crude attempt at some of
this thing. I think I think you get into mind
control in there too, because I think what you've got

(32:17):
there is I think you've got like this weird hybrid
tapestry of the government trying to use psychedelic drugs in
order to contra and control people because they knew that
there was something about the other realm where there's a
control element, which takes me back again to the whole

(32:37):
crop circles. Yeah, we're talking to citizen and he's like,
it was just weird. It was like somebody just kind
of took over.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, and they're doing this stuff and they're like, they're
not even they don't even realize what they're doing. I know.
That's you know, as thinking about the synthetic years ago,
somebody that I knew, they it was a it was

(33:06):
a vape pin. Yeah, and he goes, had TC in it,
and he goes, I was like, no, not at all.
He goes, well, because there's enough in here. He goes
that one hit would put you on your butt till Wednesday.

(33:26):
And this was a Saturday. And it's a synthetic. That's yeah,
we've gone in there and we've messed with it.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That is scary because what else are they putting in right,
I mean, I don't, I don't do that. I mean
it was just well I he was, he was an idiot. Yeah. See.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now I personally think that like that stuff, we have
found that there is true medical benefit in smoking you know,
regular like grown out in the field, whatever, marijuana, there
is medical benefit to it. And I personally believe it
falls under what we read in the Book of Jubilees
where it talks about all of the natural you know,

(34:07):
remedies for all these different ailments were written down and
in a book that Noah had. Yeah, and because the
angels gave it to him because they were having so
many problems.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I've always felt before I ever found out about that story,
I've always felt that everything that we needed in order
to be able to actually take care of ourselves could
be found naturally, like in nature.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, you know, but the minute you and make a synthetic,
it's not and it's dangerous, Yeah, because what other drugs
you put in it. When I was talking to somebody else,
I know, and that's one thing he's like, I would
never because all these people that are spoken to stuff
from a vape. Yeah, he goes, who knows what it's
doing to him? What else they're adding to it. They're

(34:51):
going to add stuff. Yeah, so he gets.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Stronger absolutely, Well, like you just experienced, you're not going
to find that nature naturally. Yeah, it's not going to
do that to you. Yeah, you know, but all of
these rituals man, and this goes back for however long,
because how do the Indians learn that stuff? Yeah, you know,
they they learned it from somebody. Man, it goes back.
You got to go back further and further and further
and find out where this all came from. And I'm

(35:16):
guaranteed it's going to take you right back to the
watchers at the root, no doubt about it. So yeah,
but then you get into like all these other things
that we're doing too. So you know, like Cern, I
had to laugh when we read that a minute ago
where it's talking about you know, Cern, Oh, they're not
doing this stuff. It's just a conspiracy theory. I'm like,

(35:37):
what are you talking about. They've come out and literally
said that they're trying to do this. Yeah, this is
the whole point. They wanted to find the god particle
or something. Well they have that's like supposedly said, Well
that's what they called it. Even when they found it. Yeah,
is the God particle, you know, like it's hilarious to me.
Oh the new one today. Oh, let me find this CERN. Methuselah.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Have you heard this one yet? No? Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, yeah, this is great. So Methuselah is a proposed
experiment at CERN is a massive detector designed to search
for long lived particles LLPs that current experiments at the
Large Hadron Collider may miss. Named after Methuselah, known for
his biological longevity, Methusla is intended to probe a new

(36:23):
frontier in particle physics by detecting LPs with lifetimes up
to whatever point oh, zero point one seconds arrange potentially
relevant to explaining dark matter, dark portals, and outstanding questions.
We're not trying to rip the veil. We're just trying
to make a portal. It's like, what the best, well,

(36:46):
what's the difference.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
The best version of a portal that I've ever seen
that was actually caught on camera was that one Unsolved
Mysteries from the Newer Seasons that's on net Flix where
they were on the Indian Reservation in New Mexico, and
that's the Ladies Trail Cam or whatever out that was

(37:12):
like a pool or something, and you see this dark
entity climb up out of this darkness. Oh I don't.
I don't know if we've seen that. And they were
they were like the Indian Reservations X file guys. Oh wait,
we did watch this, Yeah yeah, And so they were
trying they were talking about skin walkers and bigfoots and stuff,

(37:33):
but it definitely looked demonic. There's a lot of stuff
from and around out on the reservations. Yeah, I know
it's they have they have a better grasp, but portals,
and I think they have a better understanding than the
modern church of a lot of the stuff, especially like
the Shamans. It's it's been passed down quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know that this stuff is legit, man, it's not
phony baloney stuff. Yeah, but it's the I want to
say one of those guys, maybe both of those guys.
Blurry just had Blurry's had on a few times. Oh yeah,
one of the two guys, because they're pretty well known.
Because that was the whole point of like you said,

(38:15):
they were like X files for real on the reservation,
and it was like go out and investigate all these
different reports and stuff and Bigfoot and you know, my
cows went missing and mutilations and anything and everything, which
I mean, are they even just are they discussing what
it possibly is or are they just doing a fluff

(38:46):
you know, Oh what is it? What could it be?
Oh like it's just going out there to kind of
just quell quell the native, so to space.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
You know. I mean like when they're on these shows,
they are they really addressing the issue at hand. It
seems to be like they're talking about their experiences and stuff.
But are they like saying, well, this is demonic or
this is that? Probably not so much, like that's what
we're for.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Like, yeah, they can come on here and actually open
up and say yeah, it's demonic.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
But I don't know, We'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I don't I don't watch a ton of other shows
anymore either, busy doing ours. So yeah, but I know
they're out there and I know they get on there. Yeah,
And a lot of the conversations I would love to
have with some of these people because it's like, you know,
you have some unique experiences that are you've seen some stuff.
It's like your father, you know, he's he's leaved a
little dout there, he's seen some unique stuff. Yeah, and

(39:40):
and and their belief system as far as like, oh yeah,
you know the gods that they serve are not our god.
And you know when you can actually, you know, supposedly
turn yourself into a you know, a critter and come
after somebody, that's pretty pretty potent stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Man. I know this is way off, but it's still
welcome to the tin foil Hat Club. Everybody similar at
where well Maria's Jim where she was at Supposedly they
said there was a ghost there and she saw it

(40:25):
and she couldn't believe it. Then she watched it disappear.
And Tim you know, yeah, he heard it. It was
talking to him. And when he was closing up one night. Well,
that's not terrifying at all, is it. He was like
he heard somebody and they were talking and he's like, hey,

(40:47):
you guys gotta go. It's we're closing. Yeah, and he
said he looked everywhere. He climbed up the he literally
climbed up in the rafters of this place, looked around
and went in all the rooms and he could still
hear it. When you would like go from room to
room to be in another room talk about being able

(41:10):
to just phase in and out?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, how does that work? I don't know, man, that's
that's a that's a a million dollar question. I'm almost
wondering if is it some kind of echo like what happened,
like what happens to us when we go we die?
And I don't mean that from a I mean that

(41:34):
from a time perspective. Yeah, like what happens to time
after we die?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah? Do we still experience time the same way? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It seems to be that time is kind of a
human construct, right, It's it's for us to keep from
having our minds melt because we just can't. We can't
understand what things would be like.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
We'll have to go back to like the only things
that we actually know would be in scripture. Okay, we
have the story of the Richmond and Lazarus and Luke
and it's like he's having a conversation and we don't
There is no time mentioned. They're just discussing things, but

(42:21):
we know Lazarus was dead. If it's the same Lazarus,
I don't. I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think that's one of the things when I because
I've been digging into that a lot too, because I've
been writing, so I've been focused on that, and I'm like,
I've I can understand everything in there, But the one
thing that has stumped me is like, why did he
choose Lazarus?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Was that just for fun? Was that just funny? Does
he picked Lazarus? You know? And I'm trying to remember,
does that event happen before he died?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Lazarus is death? Is he kind of foreshadowing there, like
multiple different things. Is he just using Lazarus just for funzies? Yeah,
you know, just poking fun at his friend, like, Hey,
I'm gonna use you as the butt of the story
on the back, you know, back nine or whatever, I
don't know. And then we have was one of the
Pharisees named Lazarus? I don't know, Well, that's who he's

(43:16):
talking to, right, because when you when you look at
that story, and I forget what that's that's in Luke. Yeah,
I don't recall the chapter off the top of my head,
but you have to go back. I want to say
it's like chapter eighteen, maybe sixteen, and I could be
way off. You have to go back like two or
three chapters to realize where this is taking place he was. Actually,

(43:39):
Christ was invited over to a leading Pharisee. Doesn't say who,
It just says a leading Pharisees house. I thought in
another gospelers might have. I thought it was Simon or
Simeon could be. But there are a multitude of things

(44:00):
things that occur at this house, and the other Pharisees
are getting irritated, you know, describes and Pharisees is what
it says, are getting irritated with him more and more.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
And one of the.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Last things that he and so he does several different teachings,
and one of the last things he goes into is
the parable of rich Man and Lazarus. And again, you know,
the issues that I've had this particular week stem from that,
and I've beat that drum to death, and that's why
I'm writing on it is the failure to understand the aftralife.
Because what happens is it when you don't understand how

(44:39):
things work prior to Christ, it just causes so many
different problems. And in this particular case, the problem that
it causes is they a lot of people want to
say that Christ just magically did away with the law,
and that's not right. He didn't do away with the law.
As a matter of fact, he goes so far as
to say, I'm not here to do away with the law,

(45:01):
not not a job or till right, which is the
smallest little strokes in Hebrew. Right, we'll pass away from
the law until the world is over, basically.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Is what he says.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
You know, and I've come here to fulfill the law,
and they just they go in to fulfill the law
and they're like, see there it is.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
We don't have we're not bound by the law anymore,
so we can basically do whatever we want. He still
has some things to do, and I'm like, no, that's
not what that means. What that means again, this is
a failure to understand the afterlife because they don't understand.
This is another failure to the modern church. They do
not understand that prior to Christ, how everybody was judged.

(45:38):
They just they have no understanding and concept of that.
They have no understanding that prior to Christ everyone was
judged basically how they upheld the law because the law
was designed to help keep you in heart communion with God.
So when we don't understand that and the church doesn't
teach it, then we wind up having a bunch of issues,
or we don't understand what scripture's saying, which is exactly

(45:59):
what we ran into and that I ran into this
particular week. And that's the other thing too, is like
we get into circle full on back to this. The
Bible expressly tells us in multiple places, and again it
depends on your translation to stay away from pharmachia. Oh,
come on and sorcery. I know.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Sorry, they're every pharmaceutical company out there. That's I mean,
look at these ads, man, do you ever watch these ads?
I'm like, I just we like, let's get to the
side effects, because the side effects are getting ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Death death, death is literally a.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Side effect of some of these pharmaceuticals. And I'm like,
how did this make it the market? Or we always
love the when A and I are watching and we
love the ones where the pharmaceutical or the side effects
rather of this particular drug that the pharmaceutical company has
come up with actually could potentially enhance the very thing
that it's supposed to fix.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, do you want to hear a really good conspiracy theory? Oh,
go ahead, by the way, before you do, before you
go into your conspiracy theory. You have a special guest
if you saw right here, but we have we have
a Ruth with us. So Hi Ruth, Hi Ruth. Very
nice to see you on here. So anyway, yeah, go
ahead with your conspiracy theory. You know where they're building
out there on sixty five Okay, yeah, supposedly they're building.

(47:16):
They're burying hundreds of bodies out Oh is that right?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Okay, you're talking about the Leap project out here. Yeah, okay,
So just just for so everybody knows what Ben is
talking about. Is there is a huge and like how
many thousand acres seven thousand acres, nine thousand acres a
project that both Lily and Meta have gone together.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I think Metas might be back now are they backing out?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
That's kind of funny, but either way, they have gone
together to build this monstrous, huge research facility.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah. So it's just a mass grave. Yeah, that's what
that's that's what they're doing. They're burying people.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
People are going to start going. Are these people already gone?
Are they going to start going missing? Is that they're
already gone?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
They are gone? Yeah? Are they just relocating people there?
I guess they're trucking them in yeah, so this is
why am I getting poltergeist in my head? You know,
they they just moved the barriers. Told us that yesterday.
He was like, can you believe that? And I'm like,
that's a I've never heard that. Oh my goodness gracious.

(48:21):
But yeah. And when you said pharmacia, well, you know,
they're doing all these tests on these people and they're dying,
so they got someplace to put them. It wouldn't surprise me.
We'd got a bary.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
They're not test any of this stuff, give me a break.
Or if they are, they're cooking the books. So well
they would be killing them though, wouldn't they.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
See, well I'm gonna find out what translations say pharmakia.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Uh what was the old carniac? What was it? Carson's JB.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah, does it say pharmacia? Yeah, let's okay, cool, let's
let's go in here to the Yeah, okay, look at Google,
look at this thing. Go.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I will actually share this right here. You can see
it for your own eyes, so you know that I'm
not making things up.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
So here you go. What translations say pharmacia? So this
was a Google result. The Greek word pharmakeea is most
often translated as sorcery or witchcraft in English Bible translations,
but it also has broader meaning related to the use
of drugs and potions, sometimes for healing, but also for
harm or magic. So here are your verses. If you

(49:30):
want to go look them up. You've got Galatians five twenty,
Revelation eighteen twenty three. It's always accompanies witchcraft and sorcery.
Now what do we know about witchcraft and sorcery? What
do they like to do? They sure like to commune
with the other side, do they not? Yes, they do
tear the veil a little bit much. Galatians five twenty

(49:54):
list sorcery among the works of the flesh, contrasting it
with the fruits of the spirit, which is a exactly
like we did. If you guys want to go check
out a show, you can go check out the Witch
of Indoor. We did a whole show on the Witch
of Indoor and how she was tearing the veil.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Brah Probskibi used to say that the sorcerers and white coats.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
That's right, that's exactly what they are. Joe Horn calls
it Western Babylon. That's what he calls it. Going to
the you know any of this stuff is Western Babylon,
and I'm like, eah, you're dead on right there. But yeah,
so Revelation eighteen twenty three describes the city's downfall due
to its merchants involved in sorcery pharmakia, which led to

(50:37):
the deception of nations. Revelation nine to twenty one mentions
people who do not repent from the idols they have made,
nor from their sorcery pharmakia or their murdering magic. There
you go, making idols, doing drugs, murdering people, burying them,
boy burying them in the Eleak project. Oh boy, oh,

(51:03):
fun tales abound there.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
But yeah, I had to share that because you know,
it's a tenfoil that thing. Absolutely, Oh my goodness, I'm
not gonna give my sores either. Yeah, you know though,
but there there are There are about a million in
one ways where we do this stuff and we don't think,
if we don't think of the common thread of tearing
the veil, that's what we're doing. Is it's a deliberate

(51:25):
attempt to either communicate with the other side or allow
the other side in to into our world to communicate
with us. And it sure seems to me that the
only way that they really have dominion is if we
do some kind of invitation. Yeah, we have to let
them in, kind of like we lost boys. Yeah exactly,
you know, yeah, gotta let them in. You gotta let
them in.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
But that makes a lot of sense because like when
we talked to Vicky Vicky Joy Anderson and we did
the show on sleep paralysis and stuff, she said, you know,
calling in the name of Christ, it seems like and
this is another huge failing of the church, because we
do not understand who we are. We do not understand
where we rank in creation. We do not understand whose

(52:07):
children we are, and that we outrank this stuff. And
when you claim your rifle place of ownership, because we've
been given dominion of the earth, and it's amazing. When
you call on Christ, you have a tremendous power in
order to shut this stuff down and stop it at
the gates. But when we have a brain dead, weakened

(52:28):
church that isn't teaching any of this stuff, it's the
enemies at the gates and we don't even recognize they're knocking.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I was given a statistic this week that fifty five
percent and again we'll get into this born next week.
But fifty five percent of the church now of churches
out there, and I have to dig it into the
study to find out who did it think that we
should absolutely allow homosexuality, transgender, transhumanism into the church, into
our midst like leadership positions openly. They can they can

(53:03):
do whatever they want and be leaders in the church
and teach other people that it's perfectly okay. No, because well, yeah,
but that's where we are, man, because it says a
husband of one woman you had to be married to
one because back then polygamy was rampant. Yep, there's today

(53:27):
there's between having twenty wives being gay. It's the same
thing in God's.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Eyes, yep.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
That's why most times, you know, because one of the
things that's used is the word homosexual is not in
the Bible. Of course, it's not the Bible, but you
know what the actor is, it's no doubt about it. Yeah,
But most of the times we just summarize all of
this stuff when it's discussed as sexual immorality. Yeah, it's
it's all in, it's all grouped together in sexual immorality,
you know. Yeah, if you're engaging in pornography, if you're

(53:57):
sleeping around in your wife, you're you're not married, and
you're just you know, out there having sex with everybody,
you're engaging in sexual immorality. If you're homosexual, if you're bisexual, whatever,
you're engaging in sexual immorality. I didn't make the rules.
Take it up with God. Don't get mad at me.
But they don't like to hear that stuff because society

(54:17):
has made it okay and acceptable. Just like society's made
it perfectly okay to do what we're talking about today.
You go down to Bob's Tobacco shop and get your
d MT and go home trip trip balls and go
communicate with the other side. Yeah, go find your dead aunt,
which you're not gonna find, but she's there. Gonna be
somebody posing as your dead aunt, Becky dead ant Becky awaits.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, that was creepy. That was creepy. Yeah, which was
that was unsolved mysteries too, wasn't it. I think it was.
So this dude's running around, he's doing investigations with this
entity that refers to itself as Becky. Yeah, yeah, it
wasn't better Bey maybe uh.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Satan probably number one of his minions, one of his
little minions. Becky's short for something that we probably can't pronounce.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Babylonia. That's where all this stuff comes from. Man comes
from before the flood started again, Babylon. Yeah, everybody starts
starts worshiping this stuff. Oh it's we get Molic, we
get bail Astroth.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Before we know what, we're throwing our kids into the
It's it goes back to it's a heart furnace.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
We can take away all all the sin. Let's just
take away the sin, no matter what it is. It's
a heart issue always is where's your heart aligned? Mhm?
Is it aligned with I'm gonna follow Christ and God
and everything else. When you do that, everything else just

(55:55):
comes to seem to shift into place. And if you don't,
it's just fallen apart. You're out of harmony. Yeah, you know,
And that's that's the thing. It's like, it's it's it's
not a it's we'll say I said take the sin,

(56:16):
But if you want to serve God, you're going to
try to get away from these other things. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
That's tried to convey this because it's a hard thing
for the monitors. Raps hed around about the law again, right,
so the purpose of the law was to point out
sin and what to avoid in order to keep yourself
as pure as humanly possible for God. That's why the
law is not gone. It's still there. You're still you're
still you should still be following the law. Christ just

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made it so we're no longer judged by the law.
We're not judged by how well we uphold the law.
We're judged under Christ, under grace. And the Church does
not understand that. They they do not understand that. They
think that the law is magically removed. But then then
we start putting our own human limitations on it. And
it's like, Okay, well if the law, if the law's gone, yeah,

(57:04):
then why can't I just murder you?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Well then that's still wrong.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
But but yeah, but like, why right if you're going
to say, oh, Christ did away with the law, we're
not bound by the law anymore, so we can just
do whatever we want. We can take drugs, we can
we can go have homosexual relationships, we can go sleep
with eighty million different people.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
It's all good, Paul said, everything is.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
But then we don't like Paul. We throw Paul away.
But that's you see what I'm saying, it's all just
pick and cheese.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Uch. Everything is what permissible but beneficial. But it's not beneficial.
Yeah right, I mean it doesn't matter. I mean, we
can do whatever you want to do under Christ, but
is it really beneficial. It's a long game.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
It's going to do exactly what you just talked about
right there, which is the same thing that this stuff does.
When you start doing seances with other entities and you start,
you know, taking drugs, and you start doing all these things.
You can see it right here. We read scripture today.
All it does it does not separate you from God's love,
but it separates you from relationship with him. Yeah, he

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still loves you and he's waiting for you to come back.
But what it's going to do is it's going to
drag you closer and closer to the pit. And sometimes
once you fall into the pit, there ain't no getting out.
People just that they just fall in and they can
never get their way out of it, you know. And
that's what these things do, whether it's d MT or

(58:29):
seances or if you start playing with the occult, right,
you can understand it. You need to understand it. You
need to know what you're up against and you need
to know how to combat it. You know, you can't
We've said before in the show. You can't be involved
in the war and have no idea who the who
you're fighting, right, who are the players on the battlefield

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and all of those things. You can't do any of
that stuff and be effective.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah, it's like, have you ever watched a football game
somebody that has no idea what football is and how
painful it is? Yes, yes, it's a lot like that.
Some thoughts come to mind. You want to pull your
hair out now.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I am a very blessed man because my wife is
super cute, super smart, and she's also super fun, likes
football and video games.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I mean, can you go on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
But I mean this was yeah, but yes I have.
And it's hard. You want to hit yourself in the
head with a hammer, Yes, it's very hard, or them,
one of the two, but one of us need some
quiet time. Yeah, no matter how much you try, like,
it's just it's just it's not happening.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah. I'm not a I mean, I'm not a I
will say I'm not a sports ball kind of guy.
A sports ball but I sports yeay, sports Yes, but
I do understand. I do appreciate good plays things like that.
But yeah, if they.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Don't understand, that's it right there, buddy, You hit the
nail on the head. We have a massive, massive problem.
And you know, the whole point of the show is education.
The whole point of the show is to have discussions
about this stuff, all of it, so that we can

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help educate and we can help illuminate these things, and
we can help to try to strengthen the church. But
when we are allowing this stuff into our midst unaddressed, unabashed, proud,
and we don't address it, and we cannot wonder why
the church is in the shape that it's in. Yeah,

(01:00:40):
you know, I wonder how then the veil actually is.
I think that we have thinned it so much that
and it's so actively being worked eighty million different ways. Yeah,
it's like the greatest trick anyone's ever pulled is is
to convince us how to do all these things that

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it's somehow beneficial for us, But really all it does
is just give up our right to ourselves and the earth. Basically,
we give up our right as a as a almost
as a you know, a member of God's family, and

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and we just basically it's like you know, Esau, It's like, yeah, whatever,
what goods soup to me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
If I'm dead, You'd rather get high rather sleep around.
I'd rather play with the occult.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I'd rather go to have a I'd rather go to
a psychic reading so that I know if my dead
relative is okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
And all these things. And it's just the saddest thing
to me is I see our fellow brothers and sisters
in Christ who do not understand their Bibles, and they
and they they get they buy into this stuff hook
line and sinker, and they don't do anything to combat it.
And as a matter of fact, they will get mad

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at you when you start to point it out and
call it out, because then you then you're judgmental.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and you're mean, this is all about feelings. And
it's like, I don't care about your feeling. God doesn't
care about your feeling. Your feeling's gonna save you from
hell while you just you're upset, you feel like you
should take drugs. So that's how I feel God should
God should respect my feelings. It's like God doesn't care
about your feelings. God cares about his following, following the

(01:02:34):
law and follow being righteous. Yeah, that's really what we're
talking about. We're talking about righteousness, right, And like you're
not gonna engage in this stuff and feel fulfilled, right,
you can. You can engage in all these things, man,
you can. And it's pervasive, right, It is prevalent in
all of the entertainment industry, right, especially a vast majority

(01:02:57):
of the entertainment industry. They have sold their souls. Man,
It's I feel like it's literally like Ghostwriter, where you
like you literally they like sell their souls to get
ahead and to have these monster contracts and all this money.
And yeah, it's just like you just sign on the

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dotted line. I hope you enjoy it while you're here,
because once you're gone, it's time to cash in the
debt and you are not going to like what it
looks like, yeah, because it's going to be a long eternity.
And that's but that's what the that's what happens, man,
And that's happening all the time in the church.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
You know, we're just letting this stuff in and nobody's
stopping it. You know, I've said it before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I mean, what if a Christian could see what is
actually going not like worldly but in the spiritual realm.
If a Christian just every day, a Christian could see
what's actually going on, what do you think they would
their reaction would be just I'm talking to like just

(01:04:07):
your every ordinary day, you know. Honestly, the pessimist in
me says that they wouldn't believe it. They wouldn't even
believe it. Yeah, they would.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
They would just write it off somehow. I think the
vast majority of people would because it's so shocking to
the system now because of how far we've gone away
from being educated in the Word and how ignorant the
church is. And I know I'm being harsh, but it's
the truth. I'm like, when we look at the statistics,

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like the statistics that Joe shared with us about pornography
among the among the leadership of the church, how are
you going to have a healthy body when the pastor
worship is pornography usage is pervasive and at sixty some
percent among the you know, youth pastors, How are you
gonna how are you gonna have a healthy body when

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you're when you're engaging in that kind of stuff, when
you you know, have open unrepentant sin in your midst
and you don't say anything nothing. Now, I want to
make this clear. Someone who doesn't know Christ and know
God should be in the church in your midst with
dealing with sin. But at some point we have to

(01:05:25):
call out the sin. Yeah, it doesn't mean we beat
the person to death, but we have to point out
the sin to them because they have to repent and
turn their life over to Christ. Otherwise there is no point.
But how we handle the world is completely different than
how we handle someone who claims to be a brother
and sister in Christ and walks into the church and says,

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you all are wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I'm living with this sting in my life that is
completely contrary to the Word of God. And you can't
tell me to stop. And nobody throws this person out.
We've got that. That's how we've got a fracture church
right now. A Methodist church is fractured, right, That's what happens.
You don't give send a foothold. Ephesians four and five

(01:06:09):
is very instructive for all of this. We're going to
get into that more next week. I'll save those guns
for then. And it's not I don't want to make
it sound like I'm using scripture to beat people up,
but you know, scripture is Paul tells us all scripture
is good for rebuking, teaching in the word education, you know, instruction,
all these things, right, yeah, so it is what it is.

(01:06:32):
But this stuff here, man. You know, one of the
last things that I was going to talk about is
we've we've kind of mentioned this before, but and they
have several different artistic things outside of cern, but the
one that always gets me is Shiva.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Oh yeah, you know you have this god, right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Is this this statue of this Hindu god which is
like a supreme deity?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And and Judaism did you know that Shiva refers to
seven day morning period?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Did you know that in Judaism? Yeah? I did not
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
So you know, this is the god of destruction who
is responsible for a cyclical renewal of the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
We just happened to pick him and to put him up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
The other thing too, if you really think about the
Methusala thing, isn't it when you go look at all
of the nine patriarchs prior to Noah that their names
all mean something? And when you get to the Metthusala
Methusala actually means when he dies, it will come or
something like that, after he passes, it will come, meaning
the flood. How ironic is it that they just chose

(01:07:40):
that for their little project. It's always you're running on,
like what's going to come next? Because do you think
they do it? I think they do it unwittingly. Sometimes
I think God has him do it kind of like
a you know, my servant neviknezer kind of a thing.
But they just don't even know. Yeah, and they're doing it,

(01:08:03):
so I don't know, but you know. Shei is often
depicted with the third eye surping around his neck. I
tried it, and associated with concepts of destruction, creation, and balance.
He's also the lord of the dance the Naharanya, associated

(01:08:24):
with the cosmic dance of the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I didn't know I thought that was I thought it
was Irish lord of the dance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Michael, That's exactly what I was thinking of doing his
river dance or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
The other one, you know, like the Godthard Tunnel ceremony.
I think we got into that when we did we
did a show a while back. You guys can go
check it out called the Devil Went Down to Switzerland,
Because when you really look man, all this stuff, what
do you think about Old Laus Schwaber's on it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
By the way, I didn't know that. Yeah, he stepped down.
He's like in his eighties. Yan, he's a retired Yeah.
It's hard work being evil. It's tiring, man. Well, I
shared it. I don't know if I did I share it.
I don't know if I shared it on the fans
page or not. But like, who do you want the

(01:09:22):
JD Vans to go visit next? Oh my goodness, I'm
sticking with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Oh it's like a JD advanced celebrity death pool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah yeah, what do you make of the pope passing away?
And we're going to get into it here a couple
of days with with Doug Vain. I find I find
it fascinating because I always find that stuff. I mean,
he's just a dude. He's just a dude, just a dude,

(01:09:55):
and he maybe at one point in time his heart
was in the right place. But it's the over underund
the old pope making it to heaven. With great power
comes a great responsibility. Yeacs, Indeed, I know that's cliche,

(01:10:18):
but it's very true though it's I mean, I don't
know what his soul was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I can't say, right, I just know by the fruit.
The fruit was not good. Yes, and highlights a lot
of the things that we talked about today and we're
going to talk about Sunday next week. It's because we've
just basically given the green light. We'll see what they do.
If they go and they get a more conservative pope,
then we may swing the pendulum back the other direction.

(01:10:46):
But I don't know how at this point you put
the genie back in the bottle. Yeah, I would think
that we're going to continue the trend to have more
and more progressive model.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
And the crazy thing is that most of them are
really old, like I think sixty five and above. Yeah,
you can't even vote in the conclave if you're over
like seventy five. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
But you can be pope and over seventy five. But
the cardinal, if you're a cardinal over seventy five, you
are you cannot participate in the conclave.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, we watched that movie. There's a movie on Conclave
that's one of the streaming channels. I forget which one,
but it's educational. That whole thing is I don't to me,
he's just he's a leader of a church, like the
leader of the Southern Baptist or leader of the Nazarene.

(01:11:40):
He's more powerful. Just yeah, he's just he's it's got
a little more money, just a little and a lot
more followers. Yeah, just a little, you know. I mean
that's the thing. Where's they're supposed to be like the

(01:12:02):
representative Christ. Christ didn't have a home, he did have
a bed. He could give two flips if he had
gold slippers, that's right, you know. He told people to
sell your stuff and let the dead bury the dead,

(01:12:26):
you know, And and they get wrapped up and all
this grander and royalty, and that's not what it's about.
It has nothing to do with look at my little
hat and my golden scepter. No, it's doing what Christ

(01:12:46):
wants us to do. And he wants he wants us
to reach everybody, and he wants us to be stick
out your hand and help somebody, help them up. And
there's a ton of people, man, and we've we've hit
on many different groups of people. Because there are people
that are engaging in things that don't realize what they're doing.

(01:13:09):
There's when you're engaging in drugs, you know what you're doing.
I'm like, you know, you shouldn't be doing it. But
but there are some of these recreational drugs now or
what do we call it earlier when they call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
It it's a spiritual tourism or whatever they called it earlier, right,
like recreational drug tourism or whatever. I'm like, no, don't
you don't want to tour this stuff. No, it's horrid.
You don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
That's horrible. Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
So there are people that need to be educated the
dangers of these things that are currently right now have
no idea I can see. There was one that I
can't remember which one it was, but there was one
of those drugs that helped with that's with PTSD and

(01:13:59):
it it was like they said, it was like a reset. Interesting,
it reset their mind. Well, it just goes to show
you the power that it has over your mind in
order to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm telling you, man,
it's always when we start just messing with things, like
we take what God has given us and we just
start monkeying with it and we start twisting it around. Right,

(01:14:22):
It's like you can clearly tell, like before the flood,
you know, we had chimerical creatures running around. I don't
know how you could not draw any conclusion other than
that when God's repeatedly saying, don't bring stuff on the
arc that don't go like it's kind like, it's kind like,
it's kind don't bring no hybrid gritter on here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
And that's how we got the platypus. I think that's
how we had dinosaurs. I think dinosaur. I think the
dinosaurs were dragons. You think the dinosaurs were dragons? Yeah, well,
I mean that comes from something, right, Yeah, so it
comes from something I mean why not. Yeah. By the way,

(01:15:04):
we had a very nice comment right here, Melissa says,
awesome news set dudes. Oh thanks so very kind of her.
Thank you. It's always going to see Melissa. Thanks for
joining us. I was thinking of something earlier and it's
gone now sorry, no, it's a sidetrackting No, it's good. No,
it's gone. Yeah that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
So yeah, at the end of the day, man, we
shouldn't be playing with this stuff. So and keep your
eyes open too. Now that you've now that you've heard
us talk about some of these things. Man, when you
when you see like the Olympics, I mean, we're doing
these ceremonies now in front of everybody, in front of
the world. They don't even hide it anymore. Like we

(01:15:45):
never really did a show on astral World. Yeah, we've
talked about it. We talked about it, but we never
did a show on it because when you really look
at what happened there. I don't know about you, but
it sure seems like to me we did like a
human sacrifice right there. Yeah, you know, and it was
all these demonic, ritualistic stuff that we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Who is that Travis Scott? Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
He was the one on stage I think at the
time when people were when it really went south. But
the whole thing was just it was just dark and
weird and demonic feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
And and he helped John Cena win last week. Oh
my god, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
See it makes you wonder to see and then you
look at some of that too, and it's a dark world, man, Yeah,
behind the scenes. Yeah, as much as I love wrestling, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
A dark world behind the scenes. Man. Yeah, it really
truly is it is man, it's you, it's you. Entertainment
man kind of makes you wonder what what they're actually doing,
like what's being conveyed to you. Yeah, there's a lot

(01:16:56):
of stuff that I think even even those of us
that are hip to like like to watch for stuff,
I think they still slide things underneath. Oh yeah, so
I think that even gets past us. I know it
gets past me. I know there's no undoubtedly things that
get past me. I can catch a lot more nowadays

(01:17:17):
than I ever have before, like it, But like the
whole Masonic thing took me a while just because it's
so well done and so seemingly benign, but it's not
at the end of the day. Yeah, like all the Avengers,
you know, for I'm like, you know, that's just garying
us up. We need to create these super soldiers for

(01:17:39):
when Christ returns that we can fight him off. Let's
make some enough because Thano's was supposed to be Christ.
Mm hmm with that snap.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Mmm, yeah, it makes sense. The whole thing, like it,
there's multiple layers to it. And Thor you know, save
the world, the Son of God. It was the wrong
son and the wrong guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
It's awesome twisted version. Yeah, always is. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's crazy, man. And then you know, I think most
people are hip to Disney now just because I think
they tipped their hand a little too hard and now
everybody's like, oh, okay, we see what you're about, because
they're not really making any bones about it either. I

(01:18:24):
thought when Bob Eiger came back because they fired the
guy that took over after he retired, and then they
brought him back because he was a longtime Disney guy,
and I thought that they would maybe put the kebash
to some of this stuff. But they sure haven't. Man,
They've been full.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Full of Disney stuff. I'm not I don't get Disney. No.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Well, I was out the minute they started trashing Star Wars,
and they did many. That was the Death Star imploded
right there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
It was bad. Oh it's terrible, but that was an
insurance probably, so oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Well either way, man, now that everybody knows be hip
out there, stay paid's to pay attention. Pay attention to
what's going on around you because it is inundated at you.
We are inundated every single day by the occult and
by the dark dark, the Dark Side of the World.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Done, done, done, done.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Seriously, it's happening, So pay attention. Keep your eyes on
the pope situation too, because that's going to be interesting
to see how that all shakes out, what winds up happening.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I can't wait. As far as the pope. Yeah, it
takes about three weeks, I guess. I think Caleb put
his application in to be the pope.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Oh my goodness, when green Day doesn't call, what do
you do next?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
The papacy? That's right? Oh my goodness. Hey, you know
what they said that they were Jesus's favorite band? Who
green Day said that? Oh? Did they? Yeah? My gosh.
And it was kind of like a tongue in cheek
thing because like they just kept getting, you know, more

(01:20:12):
and more. You know, I can laugh at that kind
of stuff. You know, a lot of people couldn't, but
I can because it's like, yeah, you know, it's it's
you know, kind of crazy. And I mean, why not.
I think Jesus has my artwork on his fridge. What's
the difference exactly? You know, yeah, why not? Man? Why not?

(01:20:34):
What about you guys? What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
You guys have been pretty quiet in the chat today,
they've been they've been letting us just yammer on forever here,
not not too much. What do you guys think, man?
What are you seeing out there? What do you what
do you think about all this stuff, the pope and whatnot?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Let us know. Drop us the line. You can drop
it in the chat before we shut her down here
for the day, or you can send us a message
to the TFHD or the dudes at the TFHD dot com.
But yes, we have some stuff on the horizon that
you guys are going to want to be a part of.
So make sure that you guys sign up to be
an HD foiler if you want to have access to
our Tuesday show with Doug van Dorn, and then if

(01:21:10):
you don't, that's cool, no problem. And then you can
come back here on Sunday because Ben and I are
going to talk sexual immorality in the church.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
That should be a pretty hot one. That'll be kind
of curious to see how that one goes into the
censors don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
What do you think about all of this? I know
we've kind of brushed a little bit about it, but
like the Christian nationalism, you know, that's scary in itself too.
What's their endgame? What are they bringing to the table.

(01:21:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
We have so many things that are so upside down
right now in this country, yeah, and in the world
in general, and with Christianity. It's just like this place.
This whole world feels like a gigantic powder case just
waiting to go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I'm not I'm not excited about anything we'd like on
like big stuff, except for the Pope to see see
what they do, to see which direction they go in.
That's yeah, because we know we know what direction we're
going in. Downhill, real fast we are. And you know what,

(01:22:23):
what I experienced this week was no matter how much
I tried to provide scripture and do it in a
way where it was not I'm not trying to beat
up anybody. I'm just providing you scripture and I am
telling you what scripture says, and the sheer rejection of
it by those some of the people who are churched,

(01:22:47):
who refuse to understand what they read and acknowledge you
know what they're reading, and it's screaming at you. It's
screaming at you off the page to not do what
you turn around and do exactly yeah, I'm like it
was shocking to me, Like what do you do with
that at that point? If someone's not willing to listen

(01:23:10):
like a brother or sister in Christ like it as body.
When they're not willing to listen and they're not willing
to change, and even when you have sound doctrine in
front of them, what what do you do? Shake the
dust and leave? Yeah, I mean, but we have that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
That's that's all you can exactly right, and and and
that's pretty much where we are with that group.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
We're probably going to wind up leaving it. Man, Just
shake the dust from your shoes and turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
And it's like, you know, the person came back and
said that they were reading uh, first Peter or second Peter,
like three and from chapter three and four, And I'm like,
how can you read that and come away? And like
it was like the person's reading that, and like, how
can we not have an open discussion and let this
person in? And I'm like, did you not just read

(01:23:59):
what Paul's instruction was to do the complete opposite of
what you're trying to advocate that you did? And I'm like, well,
what are you talking about? And then I try to
provide Ephesians three and four, which is like even more
direct and obvious, which we're going to get into. We'll
get into all this, and it's just it's interesting. Susan here,

(01:24:20):
so let's see. Uh, No, we have not heard anybody claiming.
Melissa here, I'll throw it up on the screen. She said, Oh, sorry,
there we go throw it back up there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
She says.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Have the dudes touched on fella the fella claiming to
be the Antichrist?

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
No, I have not heard this. I have not. Have
you heard this? I guess some guy claiming to be
the Antichrist. He's probably some way I could do. But
maybe he is. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
No, I don't think we'll have to. I don't think
they would be. I wouldn't think so either. Yeah, it
seems counterproductive, like a crazy person.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Okay, I think that the Pope is the man of
lawlessness in the Bible. Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I mean, uh, let's see, Susan. Lawrence says, some have
predicted Pope Francis to be the last Pope. Yes, Susan.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
If you are not already an HD foyler, you can
go over to our website become an HD foiler You
can follow the instructions right there ticking on the bottom
of your screen, or you can go to our website
at the TFHC dot com, click on members, and you
can become an HD foiler because Tuesday we are going
to have an HD Foyler's only conversation with Doug van Dorn.
Been a while since we talked to don't him talking

(01:25:28):
to Doug about that situation. And what you're referring to
is actually the prophecy of the popes, So make sure
that you guys tune in for that. But I say
that ten times fast. No, I am too tired to
be doing verbal gymnastics with me tongue. So uh no, Melissa,
if you posted that here in the last few hours,

(01:25:49):
I have not seen that yet, she says. She posted
it to the to the the Facebook group, So I
have not seen that yet. I've been down here in
the basement finalizing all of this inanity that you see
behind us. So if you guys like it, do drop
us the line. We'd love to hear it. The dudes
at the TFFC dot com. And if you hate it,
tell us that too. Yeah, And we did lovingly keep

(01:26:09):
the clock at two minutes to midnight, which I felt
was apropos for where the world is currently. What is
the doomsday clock at right now? Ben? Do you have
any idea what the doomsday clock is? I don't know
what it would be at my bit. My guess probably
eleven fifty four, eleven fifty five. Oh, you're an optimistic

(01:26:32):
you're an optimistic lad. It's set set to ninety seconds
to midnight. It's even inside the two minutes. I didn't
know they did Havsia's Did you know they did have sees? No?
I did not. So it's it's closer than ours. It's

(01:26:54):
closer than ours, Ben, So we'll see, yeah, because we're
at two two fifteen two minutes fifteen seconds. Yeah, so
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Well, I don't know, Ben, There's a lot of foily
stuff going on in the world, but we'll be here
for all of it, or maybe we won't. Somebody who
drops a great, big nuclear bomb, We're not gonna be
here for any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Or or if we get hit by a bus, or
or if we trip too much on uh ayahuasca. Man,
that's terrible. I can't even remember. Get taken out an
EMP blast, an EMP blast to do it too, take
us back to eighteen hundreds. Yeah, but would that be

(01:27:41):
would that be a bad thing? Would that be a
bad thing? It wouldn't be a bad thing. I could
I could handle that. I wouldn't be that sad about it.
Be some things that miss on the technological side, that
are driving, and I missed this driving a car.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
The car would be nice. Yeah, but we can have
horses again. It'd be okays of courses. So all right,
well with that we will bid you a dude. Until
next time, all the oil take

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
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