The Earth As It Was | Giants, The Watchers, and Secrets of the Antediluvian World - The Word At War

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think it is quite possible that before the flood,
that technology was more events than we have today. Fascinating
story the Maha Barata, one of the seven Hindu religious texts.
It talks about in an ultimate weapon called the Bahra Mastra,

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two armies were gathered together in a flaming arrow. The
Bahar Mastra was shot into the air and there was
a massive flash in the sky. The men standing below
the armor melted to their flesh. Land in that area
wouldn't produce fruit or vegetables for two hundred and fifty years.
Women who had children in that area had mutated a children.

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These are all the same effects that we get from
radiation poisoning from nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the War Room. My name's Kyle Milholland, and
thank you for joining me on the Word It War.
My guest on the show today is biblical researcher, speaker, author,
and former Tennessee House of Representatives member and marine sniper
Micah Van huss He is also the host of the
Marginal Mysteries show, and you can find that at Marginalmisteries
dot com. We're going to be discussing his book The

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Earth as It Was So in the Earth as it was.
They use writings, legends, and archaeological record to attempt to
answer some of the most mysterious questions in God's Word
about the antediluvian world. So secular scientists, professors, and the
like are under tremendous amount of pressure to deny God's existence.
Most are threatened with excommunication from the religion of evolution,

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thus ending their respective careers. The Earth as it Was
takes a look at the overwhelming proof that the flood
of Noah happened and that the events of the Bible
really happened as well. The Earth as it Was boldly
examine stories that your Sunday school teacher wouldn't talk about.
I love that because that is kind of the motto
for my show. We talk about things that the church

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doesn't like to discuss. So, Mike, and thanks so much, Man,
I appreciate you joining me today.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Kyle. It's a pleasure to be here in the war
room with you, and you know, look forward to our conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah. Man, So you did a fantastic job with this book.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You get into a lot of different things, and you
did a really beautiful job of explaining what the world
before the flood, which is very hard for us now
thousands of years removed to really wrap our heads around
what that really looked like. So you did a really great.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Job, man, Well thank you. It's like trying to think
of a brand new color. It's something that your brain
just can't do. And so when I explain what I
believe the world was like before the flood of Noah,
it's like trying to explain that the world was vastly different.
And obviously we're going to get into it. But it's
a fun.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Talk, yeah, man, for sure. So I first met Mica
a few weeks ago. There was a conference on the
north side of Indianapolis, the Mysteries of the Bible Verse Conference,
which I would go have you go look that up
and actually get your tickets for next year. Would highly
encourage you to visit that that website as far as
where to find all that. What's a good place to
actually find.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
That, Mikah Marginal Mysteries dot com. We don't have the
event for next year up as we just got done
with this year, but stay tuned at Marginal Mysteries dot
com and we will post everything about next year's Mysteries
of the Bible Verse at that website.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and I think you told me when we talked
in Indianapolis that it actually rotates around from Indianapolis to Cincinnati,
And was there one other city that you had mentioned?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Next year, likely it will be in northeast Tennessee and
the intention is to rotate at least those three locations.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Very cool, So yeah, you guys want to definitely be
a part of that. But yeah, we had a great
conversation there and then just got a good flavor of
your presentation there on a different topic. But it was
really cool to just get into this and get into
your writings and talk to you about your passion for
God's word and you know, just from one person that

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wants to dive into another. It was fun to just
look at that and see that poured out on paper.
So it's really awesome to read. But one of the
things that I wanted to kind of get into first
with you, to really talk about is establishing the true
age of the Earth because obviously that's a hot topic, right,
hot debate. You know, we've got these camps that say
the Earth is billions of years old, and then we've
got some camps that go, no, it's more on you know,

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a biblical record as far as what we typically believe,
which is thousands of years old years old. So kind
of if you would dive into that and show some
of the reasons why you know you believe it to
be thousands, well.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
We're not going to be able to establish the real
age of the earth because there are two major unknowns
in scripture. So as we delve into this topic, my
foundation for everything that I believe is the Bible. I
believe the Bible is absolute truth. So when I look
at answering the question of how old is the earth,
I look at it from a biblical perspective. Now, I'm
also extremely open minded within the bounds of scripture. So

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therefore I will say Scripture is not clear as to
how old the earth is. What Scripture does give us
is a genealogy from Adam to Jesus, and that genealogy,
according to the Masoitic text, is roughly a six thousand
year timeline. According to the Greek except to a gent
that's roughly a seven five hundred year timeline. Now, I

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say I am not convinced of the exact age of
the Earth because the question arises, was Adam considered zero
at creation or was Adam considered zero at the fall?
So therefore that gives us one time gap. How long
was Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden? They
could have been in the garden of Eden for millions
of years thousands of years. Now, I will also say

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that none of my motivation for thinking the Earth is
older than the six thousand or seven thousand, five hundred.
None of my motivation is to try to fit in
with evolution, because evolution, in my opinion, is a moronic theory. Therefore,
anything that I say about the Earth being older has
nothing to do with my desire to fit in with evolution.
I'm just being honest from what I believe Scripture says.

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So Adam and Eve, in my opinion, could have been
in the garden for an indeterminate amount of time. The
second time gap that we see in scripture is Genesis
one two. The first half of that verse Genesis one
one in the beginning, and then Genesis one two, God
moved on the face of the water, and the earth
was without full form and void. So there we have

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before the seven days of creation, we have an orb
of water floating out in space. God's orb of water
that he created at some point in the past. But
that orb of water with land inside, because on the
days of creation Earth, the land was not created, Earth appeared.
You'll notice in all the wording of the seven days
of creation, the dry land appeared. Everything else he's spoken

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to existence. So we have an orb of water with
land inside, floating in the cosmos for an indeterminate amount
of time. Again, nothing to do with evolution, no Amiba's
morphing in a soup or whatever they're talking about. But
we do have that gap of time. So just because
you believe there is a gap of time in the
middle of Genesis one two does not make you a
gap theorist. A gap theorist officially is someone who believes

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that evolution took place in that time. So I gave
you a very difficult, long answer to how old is
the Earth according to the genealogy. I follow more of
the Greek sceptu agent timeline that the Earth is seven
five hundred years, but I leave room that there could
have been something else going on in the garden of Eden.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I typically do too, because one of the things
that it's it's really hard for us to break our
brains away from because time is a construct I think
for us as human beings to kind of have something
to mark things by. But we serve a God that
operates outside of time and space as we know it.
So you know, who's to say that things? How long
is the orb there? You know, it's hard to say,

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so to nail things down is pretty difficult. But as
far as man's existence, you know, seemingly at least we
definitely get a timeline once we start having births and
deaths and things like that, we do have a timeline,
much to what you said to go from, and that
timeline definitely clearly seems to speak to thousands of years,
which is interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
We've got one geological anomaly in an artifact or a ruin.
First of all, a difficult question for Christians to answer
is how do we explain the existence of water on Mars.
It's obvious that Mars have water on it at some point,
and I'm okay, if I believe the Earth is five
hundred years old, I'm okay that that water on Mars
was there in the last seven thousand years. That's not

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a problem to me. But that could hint at something else.
First of all, the Bible is God's word to us
here on the Earth. I'm one of those guys that
I'm okay if there's aliens on other planets out there
in the cosmos. In fact, I'd be surprised that God
would create all of the cosmos just for us to
look at from here on the planet. I've got no problem,

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and I would hope that Christians would not deny that
God's powerful enough to create as much life as he
wants wherever he wants in the cosmos or in a
completely separate dimension and a billion cosmoses. So those are
a few facts. But Mars did have water on the surface,
and it's fascinating thought. There's also some ruins found in
the Sahara. It's called the stone hinge of the Sahara,

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and the alignment of the stone hinge with the stars
it's pointing at shows a seven thousand excuse me, a
seventy six thousand year old timeline from when that stone
hinge was lined up with the stars. So there's all
kinds of clues and different things. The younger, dryest secular
science says it happened eleven thousand years ago, and of
course we generally as Christians associate the younger, driest climate catastrophe,

(09:30):
the ice age type thing, with Noah's flood. But again,
I do believe that there's some leniency for what was
going on in the Garden of Eden for an older Earth.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah. Yeah. One of the other things too, that I've
thought of over time, and just two of my own studies,
is when you look at the Creation story. You know,
I have no doubt that God was doing things in
a twenty four hour cycle, you know, a twenty four
of our hours, but one of the things you can
clearly see during that time is you know, the manipulation
of the growth during that time. Right. Things do not

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by we know, spring up in just a day, but
they were during those twenty four hour cycles. And I
always try to explain it to somebody of watching a DVD,
you know, or you know, something you have on your DVR.
You can fast forward through time. It takes you fifteen
seconds to go two hours from the beginning to the
end if you wanted to. And that's kind of the
same concept just on a grand scale that we could

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be experiencing during the Creation story. So that's a use.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
As you said earlier, God exists outside of our time. Yeah,
and we not only have that anomaly of the days
of creation before, but we also have after the Garden
of Eden, when Adam steps out as kicked out of
the garden, guess what you now have? Thorns? Did those
thorns sprout immediately on the stems or was it a
generational thing the next generation had them? Scriptures not clear,

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and I'm okay with either answer, but it's it's not
just at creation, and it's a fascinating thought for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah. This that Thorn's comment I remember from reading the
book opens up another can of worms too, from the
you know, kind of evolutionary perspective where we would just
see adaptation really of the animals, right, Did they develop
the teeth because of the thorns that they now have
to get through in order to eat? Which opens up

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another interesting line of questioning about the pre flood Earth
and how that had to be with what we can
kind of see in scripture, which is apparently before the flood,
you know, in the garden the original creation, all animals
were actually herbivores and no carnivores.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Right, So I mean that will get us into another
difficult question for Christian's answer is, how do we as
Christians explain the existence of sharks and Tyrannosaurus rex with
their carnivore lifestyle in a creation where in Genesis Chapter one,
God says he created man and beast on day six
to eat the green herb of the field. Now we're

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not into that point yet. I'm not going to dive
into the nepheline. But once we get there, let's remember
toss the bridge of why how do Christians explain sharks
and tyranno source rex.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, and there are some other things too within that
that one of the kind of leads to this statement,
which is I was happy to see that you know,
you did not shy away from using some of the
extra biblical texts as references, not that their scripture, but
as references to help answer some of these questions and
fill in some of the understanding gaps that we don't

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necessarily get straight from scripture.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
So absolutely, and why wouldn't we use any text? I mean,
you read in my book The Earth as was. We
got all kinds of books that we're reading. And so
I'm not saying my works are inspired, but God has
inspired people throughout world history to write things. All we
know for sure is that the sixty six books of
the Bible are inspired. But there are all kinds of

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ancient writings that help shed light on the stories that
scripture does not tell us the whole part of. Now,
it's important to note that scripture does tell us the
most important story, and that is the story of Jesus Christ,
the truth of Jesus Christ and what he did for
all of us on the cross. So scripture is not
incomplete and what's important, But scripture does leave out a
lot of details on all kinds of the mysteries, the giants,

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the watchers, and know what was going on in the
days of Noah, the flood creation. So yeah, there's a
lot of ancient writings that talk about stuff. And in fact,
there's one important point. Maybe not go down this rabbit
trail holy right now, but one important point I do
want to make Jesus. In the New Testament, Jesus calls
a book scripture that does not appear in our sixty

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six books. This is Matthew chapter twenty two and Mark
chapter twelve. It's the same story. The Pharisees are trying
to catch Jesus in a conundrum and they give the
story if a woman marries a man and he dies,
and his brother marries her, and he dies and his
brother marries her, all the way down to the seventh brother,
whose wife is she in heaven? This is Matthew chapter

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twenty two and Mark chapter twelve. Jesus replies to them
and says, know, ye not the scriptures, for there as
the angels of the Lord in heaven, which are neither
married nor given in marriage. Well, the only problem we
have is that scripture does not say that. Now, there
are a couple of ancient works that do say that,
and I'm not going to call them scripture, but just
keep in mind that Jesus does call something scripture that

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does not appear in what we consider scripture.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, and specifically what you're referring to correct me if
I'm wrong, is the Book of Enoch.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
The Book of ENoC does say that, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
For sure, So he had to be referencing something. And
there's there's quite a few other examples of that as
we get into scripture. So definitely an interesting point and
one that you made well in the book. So going
back to the time thing, just really quickly, there are
some major problems as modern you know, archaeology and modern
accepted theory of evolution and scientific study from the mainstream

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that they have proposed to us this millions of years timeline, right,
there are some major problems with that when it comes
to some of the things that we find in geology itself,
strata layers that you kind of covered in the book too,
So would you mind touching upon that please?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Absolutely. And of course layers of strata are the different
layers that you see in a cross section when they're
doing construction work. You'll see different layers of different things, carbon, dirt,
different things that happen through history. Even when a volcano
er ups thousands of years ago, it'll lay down a
layer of ash, so when you cut the ground there's
maybe a little section of ash in there. We're also
talking about ice cores drilledan Antarctica, where you can see

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that kind of stuff happening throughout world history. And so
the layers of strata theoretically, as long as everything goes normally,
you have a canna mountain do right at the top
and dinosaur bones really far down. That's the layer of
strata giving us a timeline of what happened as the
dirt built up across the millennia. And so one of
the things that we talk about in the book, and

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what you're referring to likely is polystraate fossils. Polystraate fossils
are trees that have been fossilized, standing straight up and
they cut through what secular sign it's calls millions of
years of dirt build up all around these trees that
supposedly stood and never grew for a million years. So
what you're seeing when you see a polystrate fossil is

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evidence of a massive global flood. When you get to
the whole world underneath the water, churning things being thrown around,
dead animals, trees, you also get that dirt and that
sediment building up around the trees very quickly. And so
polystrate fossils is a good evidence against the theory of evolution. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, And there's a lot of things in the book
too that And I know you give credit to him
riot at the get go that he was a big
influence for you was doctor Kent Hovind, who I've had
the privilege of talking to and he uses this term
when I was writing down where you were talking is
it's basically it's circular reasoning and circular referencing. Right, It's like, well,
how old do you know? How do you know how

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old the fossil is? Well, because of the layer it's in. Well,
how do you know the How do you know how
old the layer is? Well, because of the And it's
just this circular reference that doesn't make any sense, and
that's how they justify everything.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Evolutionists will go through mental gymnastics to deny that God exists.
And that's what we see through a lot of things,
not just evolution, but the story of the Giants that
the Smithsonian has covered up over the last one hundred
and fifty years is people doing mental gymnastics to try
to just deny God's existence. Denying God's existence is the
first step in being free from authority, and everybody at

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their nature desires to not have any authority. And so,
you know, folks want to deny God's existence, and a
lot of folks that believe the lie. I will reiterate
you read the back of the book at the beginning.
In my opinion, evolution is a religion. And of course
we're just now talking about Kent Hovind and he's one
of the people who I've heard talk about this a lot.

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Evolution is a religion because it takes faith to believe
in evolution. Science is observable evidence, and nobody has ever
observed Darwinian of life, which is the macro evolution. Micro
Evolution is adaptation, and that's part of God's creation, little
changes to adapt to your environment. Macro evolution is a

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horse changing into a cat. No one has ever seen
one kind of animal change into another kind, and it's
not replicable in a science lab experiment. So therefore, evolution
is a religion. You have to have faith to believe
in it. And guess what, I'll quote Kenthovend on this.
At least I admit that mine is a religion.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah. Yeah, Ken's awesome, man. Yeah, he's really good at that.
There's tons of videos out there. If you're not familiar
with him, go definitely go check it out. But this
is a perfect place that I had written this down
when I was prepping for this interview today, and I
was curious to ask you if you'd seen this. It's
a good reference point for everyone else too. Have you
seen the documentary is Genesis History?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I'm familiar with it. I don't know if I've seen it.
I've got a lot in my brain right now.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I do not recall off the top of my head
who the host of the show is. But it does
an excellent job of getting into a lot of the
things that we're going to talk about today. And it
does a really excellent job of talking about what you
just said about the micro and macro evolution levels and
how things the Darwinian thinking and how all of that

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is flawed and the multiple reasons why it's flawed.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I got you. It's an older gentleman that hosts a show,
right history. Yeah, yeah, and I can look it up
here and I've seen a few episodes.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, there's a follow up too that's kind of a
sequel to that, if you will, on how the mountains
were formed, and the theory that's postulated during that is
actually the Earth going through a monstrous, huge recovery phase
after the flood, you know, and all of the layers
of the earth basically being inundated with water, and then

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you have a lot of movement and things like this,
and you get into the idea of plate tectonics as
well in your book, and that could be very much
linked to the flood and a lot of the things
that we see is quote unquote climate change, are actually
probably and very well could be the Earth still kind
of recovering from this global flood event. So it's kind

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of an interesting side tangent.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So absolutely, I would put the flood according to the
Greek sceptu it at timeline, which I think is a
better timeline than the Masertic. I'll put the flood around
three thousand, two hundred and fifty BC. There is actually
an ancient Chinese story of the flood that literally puts
it at the exact same date. The Mazuritic text puts
it at thirty two fifty something like that, So basically

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five thy two hundred and twenty five years ago at
this point, I believe was the time of the flood,
and so we, like you said, are likely still experiencing
the massive catastrophe that came from the flood. And of
course I believe that the Earth before the flood was Pangaea.
If you play Civilization in the video game like I do,
Pangaea is one giant land mass instead of the continents

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being separate at that point, and so the Earth being
one giant land mass, and when the windows of Heaven
were opened and the fountains of the Deep broke up
in the just as the flood was happening. These fountains
of the Deep breaking up were ripping the continents apart,
shooting rocks and water into the atmosphere so powerful that
it helped break the firmament. We're a little ahead, but

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the continents and the continental drift definitely from the catastrophe
of the flood.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's funny. I knew you were a gamer because I
caught the D and D reference in your book, which
one was, Oh, there was a slight D and D
ether I haven't written down here. We'll take a side tangent.
I'll edit this out just for fun.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
But it was, oh he rolled the animals.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, he critical rolled, rolled a critical failure.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I turned references in there.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah it was good man Mac had a Ghostbusters reference
in his book. It was pretty fun. So yeah he did,
he did good. So. But yeah, going back to your point,
you know, the Fountains of the Deep is really important.
And here's why you know we obviously I've read this
for years, and we've had God's words since pretty much
the beginning of time, right, and here it said all

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this time fountains of the deep. And I don't know
about you. I think we're relatively the same age, but
you were probably not the same thing in school that
I was, Which is way we know unequivocally, without a doubt,
there's a mantle, there's a core, there's a crust layer,
and we know how thick they are, and here's all
these things. But oh wait, lo and behold magically. In
twenty nineteen, secular science itself reveals that there's a vast

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ocean of water that exists below the crust of the Earth,
about seventy miles down, that contains more liquid than we
have on the surface of the Earth many times over.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, yeah, it's annoying that science will claim that they
know so much, Like you said, the mantle and the
crust and all that and everything that's going on. Well,
we know from Revelation chapter nine, verse one, that the
bottomless pit is in the earth. That's where Abadon Apollyonna
is loosed with his locus from the earth. The angel

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of the Lord descended from heaven and him was given
the key to the bottomless pit. And so yeah, there's
absolutely a ton of things that science will just claim
such as carbon dating. Carbon dating assumes a certain amount
of carbon in the atmosphere at the time of the
dinosaurs or whatever they're trying to date. And they also
assumed that the Earth was formed through evolution, meaning that

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there was zero carbon at the beginning, and over time
carbon entered our atmosphere, whereas if you have a creation
by God, all of the carbon was here instantaneously at once,
and so there's all kinds of flawed processes. But as
you said, science has just now discovered in the last
decade that there are fresh water oceans underneath of our oceans,

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So we don't just have to have all of the
water in the ice caps to cause a global flood
to cover the highest mountain. There's water under the earth.
And the Old Testament off the top of my head,
I believe it Psalms says he has founded the seas
upon the waters. So to me, it's fascinating to see
the Old Testament authors from three thousand years ago right

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about things that science is just now finding out.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of fascinating. The other thing too,
you had mentioned, you know, here we have this this
this flood story right that we're all taught as kids
and it's very familiar. But you know, and you mentioned
the Chinese account as well, but that's just the tip
of the iceberg, which is ironic saying. But you know,
we have what two hundred and seventy different cultures that
have some kind of flood narrative.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Mm hmm, yep, two hundred and seventy and then I
think seventy some of those say the reason that the
flood was sent was because the one God have become
angry with the multiple gods. Yeah, over two hundred and
seventy cultures talk about the global flood, and so it's synonymous.
We're not I guess we're not ready to get into
the watchers and their knowledge, but it's synonymous with science

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knowing that the Samerians gave us quneiform, but not believing
what the Samerians say as to how they got quneiform. Yeah,
science of like, oh, how in the world world did
the Samerians get canea form? Well, if you listen to
what the Scenarians say in their own writings of Canea Form,
they say, the half fish, half man god named Iwanas
walked out of the water, said I'm going to be

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your god and I'm going to teach you how to write,
and teach you all laws and all kinds of different technology. Again,
we're getting a little bit ahead into the watchers the
reason for the flood. But yeah, it's just so fascinating.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It absolutely is. So the next place I kind of
want to go to that that is probably the single
biggest piece of how the Earth really was. That was
a huge contributor to the ecology, the growth. Everything was
what you had mentioned earlier with the firmament, you know,
and how And I fully agree with you. The more
I read, the more I study, the more scientific evidence

(25:46):
that I read, and we find it sure seems absolutely
completely almost plausible and beyond plausible, but definite that there
had to be some kind and the Bible tells us this.
There had to be a layer of eyes or some
kind of fir moment, some kind of dome if you will,
around the earth, encapsulating the earth before the flood.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, so if you read, I believe it's a second
day of creation. I'm pretty sure where God creates the firmament,
it is he comes to his orb of water. God
comes to the orb of water, and he says, let
there be light. Of course, we're not talking about the sun.
I believe it's first Thessalonians don't quote me on that
where God says he is the light of the world.
So on day one, the light that God is talking
about is himself. He is now present at his orb

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of water the earth. So day two, God goes to
his orb of water and he creates air, separates the water,
puts a big layer of air in the middle of
the water. That means that not only is there water
below like we see today, there's also water above, and
so very quickly in that environment, the water that's above
turns to ice. Is not just water. There's some fascinating

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fiction stories about Leviath and swimming up over the heads
of Noh and stuff in the firmament, fascinating stuff, but
it quickly turns to a layer of ice, and there
is evidence of a solid dome overhead in scripture. I
will preface by saying, just because you believe there is
a firmament, just because you believe there was a dome

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over the earth, does not mean you are a flat earther.
I've had people that assumed because you believe there was
a dome means you're a flat earth. No, I believe
there was a sphere of ice encapsulating the earth. So
I don't believe the earth was flat, So where was I?
Day two, God creates the firmament, and there's evidence for
this in scripture. First of all, early in Genesis, it

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says that God had not caused it to rain upon
the earth because there was not a man to till
the ground. Well, obviously something's very different in our atmosphere
if it hadn't rained on the earth. Also, God warns
Noah in Hebrews. Somewhere in Hebrews, God warns Noah of
things not yet seen. In other words, I don't think
it had rained in the antidiluvian earth, and so nobody

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knew what rain was. Also, when God sends the flood,
he breaks the windows of heaven. He opens the window
of heaven. I believe he is literally breaking the firmament.
Whether that's through a comet that destroyed a bunch of
the animals, I'm okay with that, no problem, Or the
fountains of the deep shooting rocks into our atmosphere breaking,
or some sort of melting thing that God caused. So

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we see evidence. There's more evidence in scripture off the
top of my head. I'm not remembering at all, but
there is evidence of the fact that the atmosphere was
very different in the days of Noah. Now, if there
is a layer of ice in the sky, that means
a lot of different things for the Earth in the
antediluvian world, you're ready to get into.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That kind Absolutely go for it, man.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
So if you have a layer of ice, the Earth
is a tropical environment north pole, south pole, east west.
It doesn't matter where you go. The Earth is a
lush tropical environment between seventy two and seventy eight degrees
fahrenheit roughly. Also, underneath that dome is more pressure, one
point six times as much pressure as we have on

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the Earth today, and with that pressure comes extra oxygen.
We have twenty one percent oxygen in today's air, but
the Antidiluvian Earth had thirty two percent oxygen in the air.
We know this because not only Christians, but secular science.
When you take oxygen bubbles in amber, which is fossilized
tree sap that captured air bubbles from the Antidiluvian Earth,

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you know that there's thirty two percent oxygen in those
air bubbles. So we know there was a lot more
oxygen in our atmosphere. So with extra pressure and with
extra oxygen, that means a lot of different things for
the earth, for the plants, for the people, and the animals.
First of all, a fit human would be able to
run for hours without getting exhausted. With more oxygen in

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the air, because your blood is much more efficient, Lizards
would grow to be giants. Of course, we call them dinosaurs,
and for instance, a brontiosaur excise me titanosare. Let's go
with the Titanus origin Airic Durm. It's eighty feet tall,
with lungs nostrils the size of a modern day horse.

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Bronchos sare in today's a titanosare in today's atmosphere would
not be able to survive with those tiny lungs and
tiny nostrils, But because there was more pressure in the
air and more oxygen, they didn't need giant lungs or
giant nostrils. In fact, under pressurized environment your blood you
have two parts to your blood. You have the blood cells,

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which carries our oxygen, and you have the plasma, which
is the liquid part of the blood. Plasma does not
carry oxygen, but under pressure it does so your blood
is a lot more efficient in the antidiluvian world, so
it means we've got those big animals are able to survive.
In fact, reptiles lizards are anthropomorphic, what's the word for that.

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They grow based on their environment, so they won't grow
any bigger than their environment allows. You will find the
largest animals in the world today in the Congo jungle.
They have a rain canopy, a water canopy overhead which
helps block the eavy light of the sun. Grew to
be giants. The firmament blocked the UV light coming from

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the sun. This stopped genetic mutations and humans and animals.
This stopped the cancer causing genetic mutations, and therefore humans
lived into their nine hundreds. As evidenced in scripture, Adam
Noah jared, they all died in their nine hundreds. That's
because the UV light didn't cause the cancer. And you know,

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we go into some different stories in the book about
kids that were kept in their attic all their lives,
and they were they were like eighteen years old, but
still looked like they were kids. One thing you'll notice
in scripture, and you pay attention, Adam seth enoxy exception,
but Adam and Seth were one hundred and thirty before

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they had their first child. In fact, all of the
patriarchors mentioned being one hundred and thirty hundred and twenty
one hundred and forty before they have a first child. Well,
that could mean a few different things. Enoch is the
one exception. He's sixty five, I believe when he has
his first child. But that tells me that humans were
not sexually mature until over one hundred years old, and
that is also a backup for being nine hundred years

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old before you die. We do see this again in
Isaiah chapter sixty five and sixty six. For the coming
Millennial Kingdom, it says a man will be considered a
child at one hundred years old. It says men's lives
and the future Millennial Kingdom will be as the lives
of trees. Men will live five hundred, six hundred, nine
hundred years before they die. Now that leads me to

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speculate that New Heaven and the New Earth is actually
not the normal Christian timeline, but is created after the
Revelation tribulation, where the Earth is destroyed and God recreates
the firmament. For the Millennial Kingdom. So I do believe
the fact that men will be considered children nine hundred
years old according to scripture Isaiah sixty five and sixty six,

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is evidence that God will recreate the firmament for the
new Earth in the Millennial Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that was a really good read in the book, man.
I really enjoyed that because I had never really thought
about that from that perspective before. But it makes a
lot of sense, and we see this all throughout scripture.
We see the restoration attempts time and time again. Of course,
we screwed up as human beings, because that's what we do.
But we also see God recreating a lot of the

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times the structure of things that he has in his
holy Realm in Heaven and the Heavenly Realm, and for
his people here on earth, you know, because that was
the original intent. Everything that we had in the garden
was the original intent of everything. So we can see
and it makes perfect plausible sense that God would want
to restore us back to what his original design was
in this grand reconciliation plan that is now well underway.

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So that makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It's fascinating you mentioned that because literally right now this week,
I have taken notes as I'm finishing up my next book,
Angels Eternal, about what heaven is like. In my chapter
Gateways of the Gods, the Spirit to Locations, and we
read in Isaiah chapter six that there are tongs in heaven,
and we read in Revelation that there's tablets in heaven.

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So you think of generally you think of heaven, you
think of like maybe Star Trek the next generation, where
everything's clean, there's not a lot of stuff sitting around,
but everything's all clean and neat. But Isaiah says there's
tongs in heaven where they pick up the hot coals.
And so I've been speculating a little bit about you know,
there's tools in heaven. That's just weird to think about.
You wouldn't think about tools in heaven, but there are.
In Revelation, John has a vision of a man measuring

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heaven and he's using the cubit to do so. So
fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Don't lie. You just got excited because at the prospect
of there's tongs, there could be barbecue.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, then that's true. The Tree of Life has twelve
different types of fruit on it in Paradise. You know,
some people say we won't eat in heaven. Some people
say we will. You know, there's fruit in heaven according
on the Tree of Life.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So yeah, yes, I think what we had in the garden,
I think is an effect of what we can read
in Revelation. It's the restoration of the garden. Yeah, it
seems like me when I read it, I mean, that
seems exactly what's going to happen with the New Jerusalem.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I agree, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, so it's kind of a fascinating thing. We'll hope
for barbecue, but you know what God's face will be
on but what we can imagine anyway, right.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I know you and I both like to smoke meat,
smoked meat loaf last weekend this weekend on the smoking brisket. Yeah,
well the last.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Week oh me, I see it was probably tenderloin mm.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Hm oh yeah, yep. So I make my own homemade
barbecue sauce. It's chunky cherry molasses, so it's got chunks
of cherry in it and a lot of molasses based
barbecue sauce. Anyway, getting hungry. There's there's one other point
I wanted to touch on in the Antediluvian atmosphere and
the antediluvie earth, and that is the size of everything.

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It's likely that humans were much bigger than they are today.
The animals were obviously much bigger than they are today.
We find fossils of all kinds of animals, and of
course cular science says is from millions of years ago
or before the Ice Age. But we're finding generally animals
are twice as big in the fossil record, which in
my opinion is the antidiliviing earth. So it stands to

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reason that humans were also twice as big as we
are now. So we're talking Adam and Noah being twelve
feet tall. And when we're talking about antiduluviing giants in
Genesis six, we're not talking about the ten eleven foot
tall giants that we read about after the flood. We're
probably talking about twenty to thirty foot tall giants. One
of the grey evidences against the Book of Enoch, and

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the Book of Emunoc does have things in it that
are incorrect. Enoch calls himself the son of Man. We
know that is Jesus Christ. But one of the things
people say about the Book of Enoch is that the
giants were three thousand els three thousand feet tall or
three thousand measurements tall, actually translated a different way is
talking about the three thousand suns of l It's just

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that the most translations we have translated as giants that
were three thousand l's tall. But yeah, there's fascinating things,
you know. Rom Wyatt claims to have found the thumb
bone of Noah at the droop in our site in Turkey,
and Noah's thumbone is basically twice as big as our
thumbones are, so so yeah, the earth was very different.

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We found fossils of backbone pieces of the Titano Boa,
which is a snake that's over fifty feet long. I mean,
just terrifying creatures. But again you got humans that are
twice the size too.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, you had I want to come back to some
of the things you just said, but one of the
things you did say earlier that I wanted to just
throw out there as references. You had mentioned some children
that were kind of raised in their attic because the
family didn't want to get in trouble because they were
only supposed to have so many people living in the home,
and it was the Dickerson children. The year escapes me.
Maybe the sixties, seventies something.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Black and white pictures, so it was the fifties or sixties.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Somewhere, Yeah, something like that. But when you look at
the kids, Yeah, the kids literally they look like they're
single digits. It's kind of fascinating.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
So it was, Yeah, one of them was eighteen and
she looks like my ten year old.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I know, it's it's kind of insane. But the whole
point of that is the effects of UV radiation now
that there is no more firmament on the human genome,
if you will, or our DNA, how we're constantly degrading.
And there's a lot of things with that too that
you had mentioned, you know about if you really think
about it, and this was a great way to put it.
We're effectively asked, as we carry on, we become copies.

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We're copies of copies, so we are this constantly degrading
copy of the previous generation. As time has gone on.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
In our imperfect world, copies do not get better. Even
when you make a copy on a copying machine, everything
gets more and more imperfect. And as I think that's
original from Trey Smith. If you ever watched Tray Smith
on YouTube Gotten a nutshell fascinating show. He's the one
that talks about the copies of the copies and the
genetic mutation and things going on. But yeah, yeah, we're
not getting better. And that's one of the great evidences

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in my opinion against evolution, is we're not getting better.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah. Well, if you guys are enjoying this conversation with Micah,
I cannot recommend highly enough that you pick up a
copy of his book, The Earth As It Was, so
go ahead and support him. You can actually click on
your screen right there, there's a link up top, or
you can head over to the website The Word at
warmedia dot com. If you click on the guest tab,
we will have a tab set up for Micah over
there that will have all of his contact information, a bio,

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and links to his books. So again, get your copy
of The Earth As It Was. So. One of the
things earlier Michael, that we had talked about was, you know,
and to hold to kind of debunk this whole idea
of modern science saying trying to beat God out the
door every every chance they get, right, is we see
some things in creation and one of the things that

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you had highlighted in the book that was fantastic that
I was not aware of was the perfect math that
exists in correlation between the Sun and the Moon, not
only in size but in distance.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
So and my math off the top of my head,
I believe the moon is the Earth is one four
hundredth the size of the side.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I think that's what you said.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
The is four hundred moon distances away from the Earth,
and therefore it is something like that. But basically, whenever
we have the moon passed between the Sun and us,
it's a perfect solar eclipse. So the mathematics involved of
the number four hundred and when it comes to having
a perfect solar eclipse is just you know, it's impossible

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for evolution to have come up with a lot of
the mathematics of God's universe. Yeah, it's a fascinating concept.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, and the you know, we get into some other
things too, because this kind of starts to take us
down a little bit of a different path of you know,
we have all these things. We've kind of examined what
the world looks like before the flood. You know, we've
talked with the firmament, and you know, obviously as we
sit today, we've lost the privileges of all this. And
it was one of the things that I had thought of,
you know, as I was reading the book, was you know,

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we have the initial punishment to Adam and Eve that
they're going to have these things happen. Her childbirth is
going to be more severe. You know, we're now going
to have to work for all of our food. You
know the inter you right here.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, so you just mentioned something that triggered thought in
my brain, and it was childbirth will now be more painful.
So let's talk about the idea that Adam and Eve
were in the garden for longer than a lot of
people like to give credit. Like you just said, God
told Eve that childbirth would now be painful at the fall. Well,
if she had not had children, how would she know?

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More importantly than that, Adam names Eve the mother of
all living before the fall. Go look at Genesis chapter two.
He names Eve the mother of all living before the fall?
Why would you name her that if she had never
had any children? And we also have the great question

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who did Cain marry? More importantly, when Cain kills Abel,
God comes down and says, what have you done? Your
brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. Cain,
God curses Cain, and Kane says, this is more than
I can bear. Kin says, I will be a vagabond
in the land. Men will hunt me. Well, if it's
only Kane, Adam and Eve on the earth, who in

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the world is he talking about? And that's an awful
lot of foresight for someone who's never seen anybody be
born but maybe his younger brother, to think that men
are going to hunt you at that time. So how
long were Adamy to be even the garden? How many
daughters did they have in the garden? You know, it's
a fascinating thought on the time.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Gip, Yeah, it absolutely is. No, no, no, that's perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
It was a good point because what it really highlights
is it highlights how many times have we read these
scriptures and just we don't look at the finer details
that are in there, right, little things like that that
if you really start to apply some deeper thought, you
start to pick these pieces of the puzzle out right.
And you know, a lot of times, I think when

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people listen to those of us that have studied the
extra Biblical text, they tend to gravitate towards well, you're
getting this all from extra biblical text, and it's like, no,
it's actually in scripture. If you actually just read scripture early,
you will find a lot of these details are staring
at you and screaming in your face.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
It's Michael Heizer who said take take scripture more literally.
Then there's a lot of people who take scripture as
metaphor or poetic where they want it to. But scripture,
and it is metaphorical and poetic at some points, but
it's also very literal. And so that's one thing. As
a person who puts his foundation on the Bible. I

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take the Bible for what it says. I take it
at face value, and I'm not afraid to do that.
There's all kinds of weird stuff, but it makes so
much sense when you start to get into it.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, absolutely it does. You know, Like a perfect example,
I was talking to some friends last night and this
came up in our conversation, where you know, I am
doing all this research, right, all this deep biblical study,
and I'm getting into all these things. And it's so
funny too. The improper teaching that we receive as kids
and that we give to children, you know, with a

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lot of these Biblical stories, and one of those that
I in rereading the Bible with those fresh set of
lenses and having my mind more open to see some
of those things that maybe are a little deeper when
you dedicate yourself to going back and rereading the text
anew and really looking closely at what's being said and
thinking about it on a deeper level, and going and
rereading this story. And we're taught as children that Noah

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took the animals on the arc two by two, right,
there were two pairs of there's a pair of animals
for every different species, and that's not accurate. There was
a pair of animals for the unclean animals, but there
were seven pairs of animals for all of the clean
and I think the birds. And when I reread that
here recently, I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe

(44:42):
I've spent my entire adult life and doing all this
deep study and here it is been staring me in
the face all this time, because as a child I
was taught to by two.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, and of course there's some topics that maybe you
don't want to talk about children, talk to children about
such as the angels coming down and taking human women
and having giant offspring. We don't hide the truth from them,
but you know, you know, I'll leave that up to
the individual decide if they want to teach their children
that part of Noah's ark. But definitely, I think one

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of the things we see is as we grow older,
we start to lack spiritual food, a lot of churches
and a lot of preachers, and you hear the stories
all the time where the preachers skip the spirituals, the
angelic or the weird stuff. They just don't know how
to talk about it. And I think we have a
lot of believers these days who have not been fed

(45:32):
the truth. Not that they've been fedalized, it's that those
type of things have been avoided. And so absolutely, as
we get older, we need to know. And it was
Genesis chapter six, over twenty years ago that set me
on this journey to study the mysterious stuff of scripture
and of God's universe. I was home from overseas my

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brother showed me Genesis chapter six, where God chose Noah
to survive the flood because he was, quote from the
King James perfect in his generations. What in the world.
Does that mean we were always taught as kids that
God chose Noah to survive the flood because he was righteous. Ye,
Scripture does say that Noah was righteous, but that is
not what scripture says is why God chose him to

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survive the flood. God says Noah was a just man
and perfect in his generations. What does that mean? Well,
taken literally, you're perfect in your bloodline. Well, back up
five verses to Genesis chapter six, verse four. There were
giants in the earth in those days, and also after
that when the sons of God came into had sex

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with the daughters of men and bear children with them.
So we're talking in Justis chapter six, verses one through
four about the angels who rebelled against God. The watchers
came to earth took human women. This is in the
days of Jared, about halfway between Adam and Noah, and
they had giant offspring with them. And of course do

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you really want to teach kids about that? Maybe not
leave that up to individual, But there comes a point
where you need to deep dive, like you were talking
with your friends last night, deep dive into the things
that are really going on. And I have had people.
As I've been doing this for five years now, maybe
four years, I have had people come to me at
conferences and say that they came to Jesus because of

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this giant worldview of the giants, like the other stuff
didn't make sense, and when they heard from people like
us talking about this that that's what was really going on,
They're like, suddenly it makes sense, and there's a whole
lot in scripture that makes sense when you have this
giant worldview. Are you okay if I take it in
the direction of the giants before the watchers or do

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you want to go a different direction?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
No, you go right ahead, man. The only thing I'll
say is that's definitely the story for me on that
front is you know, the truth rings in the ears
and the heart is lit a fire because of it.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
So we'll dive deeply into the watchers because there's all
kinds to unpacked with the watchers, which are clarify. The
watchers are the angels who decided to rebel against God
in Genesis chapter six. Now, the watchers is a type
or a job description of angels, not all angels, but
there are watchers that God placed around the earth to

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watch his creation. We read about the watchers and Daniel
chapter four, it's mentioned three times watchers and holy ones
coming down from heaven. That's the only time in the
Mazeritic that watchers are actually mentioned by name. But we
have these angels that are placed around the earth to
watch God's creation. Job chapter two, it says Satan said,
let me destroy Job's life. That I don't believe that

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was Satan. The Hebrew says an adversary, and then it
was translated as Satan. I believe that in Job chapter
two is a watcher, an angel whose job it was
to watch God's creation, and specifically, in this instance, to
tell God or get people who they think love their
riches more than they love God, to get to see

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if they truly love God or if they love their riches.
I think that's what the chiton in Joe chapter two was.
I'm getting a little bit on the side of the watchers.
So the watchers are the angels who rebelled, took human women,
and had offspring. The nepheline are the children of the watchers.
They are the giants of old. They are men of
ver Nown according to Genesis chapter six. And so when

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you realize what's really going on that there was a
bloodline of giants. So much of scripture starts to make sense.
Let me give you three important examples. As a kid,
I was always curious as to why God told Joshua
and Moses to not only conquer certain peoples, but God
told Moses and Joshua to kill the women, the children,

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and the animals of certain races of people. And as
a kid, I'm like, wow, Man, God, you know is
he mean? After studying the giants and the watchers every
single instance where God tells Moses or Joshua to utterly
wipe the people out, they are a race of giants,
the anechem, the Refaim, the Ziemians, the Zumins, the different
names for the giants throughout the Old Testament. So it

(50:05):
starts to make a lot of sense. When God wiped
out the giants, what was the remnant of the giants
in the flood? He also was wiping them out with
the children of Israel. And it gets down to generally,
David is kind of the last time we start to
see giants, which will be Goliath and his brothers and cousins.
But there are also other instances in the Old testament

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that don't make much sense unless you realize the giant worldview.
First of all, I think it's Joshua who's conquering a people,
and the King James does not translate it very well.
It's hard to understand. He lines the men up and
every second man he kills, every single man, every third
man he lets live, and there's a rope involved, and
it just doesn't make a lot of sense. In the

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King James, Well, what's really going on is he is
measuring the men that he has conquered, and every man
that measures one rope length he lets live because he's
not a giant. Every man that measures two rope links
he kills. So that story starts to make a lot
more sense. Also, the Book of Enoch, which I don't
take is inspired. It talks about how when mankind could

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no longer satiate the giants, the giants began to eat
mankind and drink their blood. Well, we find that in scripture.
I believe it's numbers Chapter thirteen, off the top of
my head. The two spies go into the land and
they give an evil report of the land. They say
the land is filled with inhabitants that eat the people
of the land, and they are the remnant of the giants.

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So we do see a numbers chapter thirteen, the giants
eating people, just like the Book of Enoch talks about. Now,
I'm ready to kick this back to the watchers, unless
you want to go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Kyle, No, you go right ahead, man, you're able.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So let's talk about We've just mentioned the Book of
Enoch talking about something that scripture backs up again. I
do not take the Book of Enoch as inspired. I
do believe Enoch contains a lot of correct history, because
we're about to see. Enoch tells a story that Genesis
six leaves out, and then scripture sure again and again
half a dozen times to a dozen times backs up

(52:04):
exactly what the Book of Enoch is talking about. So
in Genesis chapter six, verse one, the sons of God
saw the daughters of men that they were fair, the
sons of God being beneha Elohim and the Hebrew, and
in verse four of the banha Elohim, the sons of
God came into the daughters of men and had giant
offspring with them. That's really what Genesis chapter six says.
And then it says Noah was perfect in his generations. Well,

(52:27):
the Book of Enoch talks all about this and says
there were two hundred watchers led by Shimyaza. He was
the leader of them, and Asazel was one of them
as well. They decided that they wanted to become mortal.
They wanted to take human women as wives, and they
knew that God was going to judge them for that,
but they decided to do it anyway. Shimyaza says in

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the Book of Enoch, I don't want to be alone,
so I need two hundred of you. We will make
a pact together. And the name of that pact we
don't know what it means. The name was Harmone, and
that is why Mount Harmon, where where the Watchers descended
in the Book of Enoch, is called Mount Hormone. That
was the name of the curse they put on each
other if they ever decided not to do this together.

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So the two hundred Watchers they descended, they took human women.
They had giant offspring. So not only did they corrupt
Eloheim's creation with the giants and the bloodline, they also
taught forbidden knowledge to humans, knowledge that mankind was not
supposed to have they taught metallurgy, weapons, astronomy, astrology, writing, abortions,

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makeup alchemy, herbalism, the type of costly stones, the signs
of the stars, the sun and the moon, all kinds
of stuff. I'm sure I'm leaving some stuff out. But
they taught all kinds of forbidden knowledge to mankind, so
they corrupted God's creation through knowledge as well. And then
the Book of Union goes on to say that when
mankind could no longer saytiate the giants, the giants began

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to eat mankind and drink their blood. The Book of
Unoch also says that the giants began to sin against
the animals. And we hinted data earlier we asked the
question a difficult question for Christians answer. How do we
as Christians explain the existence of sharks and tyrannosaurs rex
and a creation of herbivores Where God says in Genesis

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chapter one that the beast of the field and man
was created to eat green herb. Well, there's a couple
of theories. When God kicks Adam and Eve out of
the garden and he puts the fall of man the
curse on the world, all of a sudden plants start
growing thorns. Is that the same event that caused animals
to start growing sharp teeth? Is then that's one possibility,

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But I think the more likely possibility is that the
Nepheleine were genetically modifying the DNA of God's creation. Notice
that God tells Noah, as you talked about earlier, Kyle,
that Noah is to take not only both clean and
unclean animals onto the ark. Well, we always kind of

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assume that's levitical law. What talks about what's clean, what's not.
You can't eat pork, you can eat other things. Well,
levitical law did not exist until eighteen hundred years after
Noah's ark and the story of the flood. So was
God actually telling Noah that it was okay to take
some of the corrupted animals that the Nephlem had corrupted

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onto the ark. There are other reasons to believe that
the Nephilem had corrupted Elahem's creation and genetically modified animals
and humans. What do you see when you look at
the ancient Egyptian gods, they're half human, half animal. The
Samerian gods we talked about Owanus to half fish, half
man god who the Samarians worshiped, and he taught them

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forbidden knowledge. You get in South America, you get Quat, Solo, Coodal,
and different serpent gods who teach all kinds of forbidden
knowledge to mankind. You see in the Greek mythologies and
Roman mythologies these superhuman gods Apollo and all these humans
that have superpowers. And so we're going back to a

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time where the watchers taught all this forbidden knowledge to mankind.
We get a hint of this in Genesis chapter four
early in scripture. But in Genesis chapter four we find
the Sons of Lamech, and of course you see over
one shoulder that way, I have the earth as it was,
but over here as the secret societies, we get all
into the knowledge of the watchers, well obviously being the

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knowledge of the secret societies are passing, but it gets
a little bit into it. But it's kind of synonymous
with both books. But the Sons of Lamec and Genesis
chapter four is kind of the first time in scripture
you see technology. The sons of Lamech, Jubil, Jabel and
Nimo was the daughter one was an artificer of medals.
He mixed medals. He was a medaler, just one of
the knowledges that the watchers taught to mankind. And according

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to over a dozen ancient traditions we're talking about outside
of scripture, the sons of Lamec knew that the Creator
was going to destroy the earth with either fire or water.
They weren't sure which, so they carved the knowledge of
the watchers into two pillars, survive fire, one that would
survive water. In the three Arabic tellings of this, it

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is one pillar called the Emerald tablet. So if you
ever hear of the Emerald tablet, that is the ancient
Arabic accounts of this. And so after the flood, who
we know as Hermes, the Greek god, he found this
knowledge and he shared it with Nimrod, enabling Nimrod to
build Mighty Babylon. I'm going to pull back a little
bit because that is my Secret Secret Society's kind of theme.

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So let's talk about biblical evidence that backs up the
Book of Enoch. Are you ready for that, Kyle?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, it's it's just interesting that you know one of
the things you had said right there. I just want
to chime in. We can see evidence of a similar
thinking to corroborate that in the Bible with the Tower
of Babel, because one of the things that the Bible
clearly states, and much to Mike Kaiser's you know statement
about if it seems weird, it's probably pretty important. Every
word is specifically chosen in the Word of God and

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it's not in thereby happenstance. But what we find in
the creation of the Tower of Babel is they used
what is called bitchumin, So that is modern day what
we would refer to as asphalt sealant, basically tar, and
the purpose of that is waterproofing. So it seems like
for all intents and purposes, it looks like they actually waterproof.

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They were attempting to waterproof the Tower of Babel to
prevent God from pulling the same tricks again.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
And that's some of the ancient accounts talk about Nimrod's
motivation for building the Tower of Babel was to so
that God could not kill human humankind with a flood. Again.
Some of the accounts say that he built the tower
to reach heaven to where they could take axis, break
the firmament and go into Heaven and kill God. There's
some of the accounts that talk about that fascinating stuff.

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So while we're on that knowledge, there is one instance
in a scripture. We're talking about the Book of Enoch,
not scripture, but the book Vnock talks about the knowledge
that the Watcher's taught to humankind. In my studies, I
have found one piece of scripture that does talk about
the angels teaching knowledge to mankind. That's Revelation chapter twenty one,
verse seventeen. Revelation twenty one seventeen. John is having the

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vision of the man who's measuring heaven, and he's using
the cubit to measure heaven. That is the ancient unit
of measurement from the tip of the middle finger to
the elbow, and it says the measurement of a man
that is of the angels. So I do believe that
Revelation twenty one seventeen is saying that the angels taught
the cubit to mankind. That's the only place in scripture
I've found evidence of the angels teaching knowledge, but plenty

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of stuff outside of scripture. But let's let's give a
little bit of credence to the story of what we
just talked about in the Book of Enoch and the
knowledge that the watchers taught. So after the flood, well
before the flood, four archangels are tasked with tasks from God.
Uriel is sent to warn Noah of the flood to
build the arc. Gabriel is sent to cause the giants

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to kill each other off, to go to war against
each other. So a lot of folks will say the
flood kill the giants. Really, Gabriel caused the giants to
go to war and kill each other, but if there
were any remnants, the flood definitely finished it off. And
their spirits are the demons and ot roam the earth today.
We're going all kinds of rabbit trails there. Raphael is
sent to bind Azazel in the pit in Doudale, a

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desert in the Antediluvian Earth, and to put Azazel under
rocks in chains until the great day of Judgment. The
archangel Michael is to bind Schimyaza and the rest of
the Watchers in the same fashion as Azazel was bound
in the valleys of the Earth. And that's important. Keep
in mind the angels that are chained in the pit,

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because scripture is full of references to these angels that
are chained in the pit. Most importantly, in the Old Testament,
the Book of Isaiah prophesies the coming of the Messiah.
It also prophesies I think it's chapter fourteen. This is
off the top of my head. Isaiah says that the
angels that are in the pit, after many days, they
will be visited. Well, let's fulfill that. In One Peter

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chapter three, verses eighteen, nineteen, and twenty, Jesus Christ dies
on the cross. His body is in the grave for
three days, but his spirit is roaming the earth for
three days. And according to First Peter three twenty one
see twenty, Jesus goes down into the abyss and he
proclaims his victory over the spirits that made trouble in

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the days of Noah. Also, Second Peter chapter two, verse
four repeats that story. Jude chapter one, verse six. The
angels which kept not their first estate, he hath reserved
in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the
Great Day. So scripture is backing up what the Book
of Enoch says in that instance. I don't believe the

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Book of Enoch is inspired. Obviously, Jude quotes the Book
of Enoch in Jude one six and the New Testament authors,
the men who wrote the New Testament, they were scholars
of the Book of Enoch, and I do take the
bibleist truth, so I do believe that the enou account
of what the watchers did in those days is legitimate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, that's interesting, man, There's there's so much here that
is that is going on, because it's really it's really
seminal that people understand or really important that people understand
this seminal moment, because, uh, this is one of the
what I call three huge events that really were catastrophic

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shifts in our history, the first being the Garden, this
being the second, and the third being the Tower of Babel.
But it was ultimately you know, I don't know how
you were brought up in the church, but I was
raised in the Church with this thinking that the flood
happened because you know, we ate tree from a forbidden
or ate fruit from a forbidden tree, and mankind just
became wicked, and so God decided it's just time to

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wipe everything out. And that is just not the story.
I mean, yes, that is a element of the story,
but a much larger element of the story is what
you have been discussing these last few minutes with the
watchers in Genesis six and the pollution of God's creation,
because through all of this we can see and it

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lines up perfectly with scripture. We have the corruption of
man's DNA, we have the corruption of animal DNA, and
we have basically now perverted all of God's creation to
the point where he felt like the best thing to
do is literally a reboot and using Noah because of
his pure DNA on the arc. Now, I know that

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there's a lot of theories that say that, you know,
perhaps the flood. After the flood we have the reemergence
of giants and nepheline, but I think that that is
actually you know, one of the theories is that maybe
one of the daughters in law carried a gene with him.
I think that's possible, and I used to think that,
but I think as for me personally, as I've gone
forward in time, I don't think that to be the case,

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because it's seems like it would be a gross oversight
on God's part. And God does not have oversight because
if He's going to go so far as to have
Noah be pure in his generations and on the arc,
you know, specifically mention that to have Ham's wife for
one of the boy's wives have some kind of impure
DNA seems a little bit of an overreach to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
But yeah, well, let's let's I've written down three points
that I want to address that you just talked about. First,
let's talk about the most important one. In my opinion,
and I don't think this is true. God did not
make a mistake right as far as destroying the earth
with water. It repented God that he had made the animals.
That's a very powerful and profound statement in Genesis six seven,

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I believe is where God repented that he had made
the animals and humans. Earth is God's grand free will experiment.
I don't say experiment irreverently, because God knows what happens.
But God put the earth in the hands of humans.
He put the tree of the knowledge of good and

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evil in front of Adam and Eve. He didn't like
put Adam and Eve somewhere, and Adam and Eve accidentally
found the tree. You know, He put the tree right
in front of the faces of Adam and Eve and said,
don't do this. God gave humans free will. The earth
is in human hands within the bumpers of what God
allows to happen. He obviously chose the time to send

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the Savior, his son at the time we needed him
because we had screwed up so bad. And in the future,
we know that God's judgment is coming. Jesus Christ is
coming back. And I don't take the view that I've
been taught all of my life that the rapture the end,
the tribulation. I don't believe that time is set in stone.

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I believe it is generational. I believe God gives every
generation an opportunity to stave off the coming destruction. There's
a couple evidences for that. First of all, Jesus doesn't
know the day that he is returning. He says only
in Heaven. Scriptures clear only the Father in Heaven knows,
not even Jesus knows. Second, Scripture is full of instances

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where God gives humans an opportunity to repent, and he says,
I will not do this if humans repent. We're talking
about Sodom. If I can find down to one righteous
man in the city, will you stop it? And God says, yes,
if you can find that righteous man, I will not
destroy the city. We also have in the Flood Genesis,
chapter six, verse three doesn't make a lot of sense.

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In the King James, it says man's years will now
be one hundred and twenty. That's all it says, and
it doesn't make a lot of sense. The Book of Jasher,
which is not inspired scripture. Though scripture does mention the
Book of Jashure three times by name, we don't know
that the Book of Jasher we have today is that
book of Jashure that they had in those times. But
the Book of Jasher does give us a lot more
information about what's going on in the days of Noah.

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One of the things it says is that Noah and
Methuselah preached for one hundred and twenty years, and God said,
if mankind repents in one hundred and twenty years, I
will not send the flood. And again that and other
stories throughout Scripture where God gives mankind a chance to repent,
Jonah going to Nineveh that God will not judge, and

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so that all brings it to me that the earth
is God's grand free will experiment. It is in our hands,
and so mankind and the angels. There's evidence that the
angels have a lot of say, the rebellious ones obviously
caused the flood, and so no, God didn't make a mistake.
It is our free will and that's the way God

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wants it. I don't know all the answers as to
what God wants, but God wanted us to have free will.
And guess what we've messed up. And you mentioned the
second point I want to talk on is the Great incursions,
the three great incursions, and specifically the third point, which
you got up to with the Tower of Babbel. So
this is Michael Heizer's work reversing hormone. He talks about this.

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Jesus Christ came to the earth for three reasons. Most
people don't know that. They think he came to the
earth to save us from our sins, which is true.
That's one of the three reasons that Jesus came. Jesus
came to reverse the three incursions, saving us from our
sins because Adam's sin in the garden. Defeating the princes
of the powers of the air, the watchers who came

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down in Genesis chapter six, and the spirits of the
angels after the flood as well, God defeated the princes
of the powers of the air, Jesus did. But the
third thing that Jesus did is he reversed the curse
of the Tower of Babel. So what happens after the
Tower of Babyl. Now we're getting again a little bit
more into my secret Society's book and definitely getting ready
to get into my Age's eternal book, which I've been

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writing on. So after the Tower of Babel, God divides
the world into seventy different languages and seventy different nations.
Now it could be seventy two, but it's between seventy
and seventy two because the Mazaritic the Genesis ten table
of nations, says that there are seventy generations, but in
the Mazaritic and lou Uke says there's seventy two generations.

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So the Mazeritic actually contradicts itself. Between Luke and Genesis ten,
the Greek scept two agent there's seventy two generations, and
Luke and seventy two generations in Genesis ten. Quickly off
for curiosity to the two that are left out in
the King James version Genesis chapter ten is Canaan. That
is likely because Canaan is one of the rebels against God.

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According to some traditions, Canaan took from Ham's descendants, took
the animal skins that God had given Adam and Eve,
and those animal skins were powerful artifacts that he gave
to Nimrod, and those animal skins gave Nimrod to superhuman powers.
Those are ancient writings. Anyway, Canaan is left out. And
then there's another word, Enosh or Elisha. There's a name

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in the Genesis ten table nations that's left out of
the Mazertica, and I'm not sure it's Enosh or something
like that. Where was I going? Okay, So God divises
the world into seventy different nations, and he places and
this gets into angels eternal. He places seventy angels in
charge of those nations, and I am talking about literal,

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physical beings that come down and rule the seventy nations.
It's a little weird, you say, but we're talking about
Deuteronomy chapter thirty two, verses seven, eight, and nine. Now,
Deuteronomy thirty two nine is where God chooses Israel as
his chosen people. All this week hear about in the
news today, all throughout history, where God chose Abraham, God

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chose his people. That happens in Deuteronomy thirty two nine. Well,
in Deuteronomy thirty two eight, God divides the world into
seventy nations, and he gives them to the Angolos. Theos
according to the Greek Septuagent, which are the angels of God.
And the Dead Sea Scrolls is a little bit different
than what we had in the Mazeritic. For the King James,

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the King James just says he gives it according to
the number of the children of Israel, doesn't say who
he gives them to. It says he gives it to seventy.
But the Dead Sea Scrolls says God gives them to
the Bananaha Aloheen. These are the same sons of God
that we read about in Genesis chapter six, the same
type of beings. So after the Tower of Babbel, in
my opinion, God gives these nations to the angels to

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rule over. Now, the question that I get asked the
most Kyle has already hinted at it a little bit.
How did the giants come back after the flood? Well,
I think it happened to the same way it happened
before the flood, you had a bunch of angels come
down and take human women. So then the question is
where after the flood do you have a bunch of
angels coming down. It's right here in Dodurham thirty two

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when he put seventy angels over the nations. I believe
these angels were physical for a time. They took human
women because they're kings of nations. They took human women
to have more giants. That's a theory, but it's the
most plausible theory in my opinion, that those are the
three Oh and I didn't complete it. So at the
Tower of Babel, God divides the world in seventy nations

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in seventy languages instantaneously, everybody speaking seventy languages. Well, what
happens in the New test Jesus sends how many disciples
out into the world. He sends seventy disciples, and when
those disciples speak, everyone hears it in their own language,
no matter what they say. That is the reverse of
the curse of the Tower of Babbel. That was a
bit of a rabbit trail, but it's a fascinating idea

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that Jesus came to the earth for three different reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, that's good man. It's the most pausible theory that
I've heard so far on the reoccurrence after the flood
two of giants and Nephilee, and obviously gives you just
things with themrod In there too that you know, something
must have happened to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Give you just a couple more evidence. Because scripture is
my foundation. There's two other pieces of scripture. There's a
bunch that I've been written about names is eternal, but
primarily Psalm chapter eighty two one of the most mysterious
if you don't know what's going on, one of the
most mysterious chapters in all scripture. It's only eight verses long,
so take the time to read Psalm eighty two. And
this is talking about the angels that are ruling the nations. Yea,

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God sits among the gods and he judges them. He says,
you better start treating your human subjects better, or I'm
going to cast you to the earth like one of
the princes. And then palmighty eight says God will bring
all nations back to himself. God divorced to the nations,
and yes, he put evil angels in charge of them,
but he promised that he would bring the nations back

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to himself through Jesus Christ. The other evidence for these
princes ruling the nations, these angels ruling the nations is
Daniels chapter ten. We read about the Prince of Persia
and the Prince of Greece. These are evil, spiritual princes.
These are not human kings that we're reading about in
Daniels chapter ten. So those are some biblical evidences for
the princes ruling the nations.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of things much like and you've
kind of touch upon this earlier, but much like we
have the two hundred and seventy different cultures out there
that have some kind of flood story, we see a
lot of the same thing when it comes to the
post flood story of you know, some kind of mankind
or divine beings coming down and establishing you know, relations

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with human women. And that's however everyone's made. Like I
wrote down from your book, actually you know the story
of the Onanaki, right, we have this huge Ananachi thing
that's going on right now with the whole uh you know,
wasn't oh ancient aliens, right, that's the whole thing where
we have the Onanaki who says that they mixed DNA,
you know, with human women and made everyone. So we

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see the same thing in other cultures as well, where
the story has re emerged in some kind of various
different telling than what we had before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And I will say on the Sitchen thing, the the Anaki,
the app Calu, Sitchen did lie about a lot of
what he wrote. So that's one thing in my earth
as it was book that I didn't say obviously that
that his theory on the Aonachi coming down and creating
humans as correct, But I did give his theory more
credence than I do now I've since learned that he

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lied about a lot of what he said about uh
in what is his book on the app Calu and
the Andonaki. I forgot the name of his book, But anyway,
Stitchen so but fascinating, fascinating stories, and of course Nebiu,
what we're talking about with Sitchen is a fascinating tale
of a giant red planet that exists in our Solar system,

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but we don't see it because the orbit of Nebiu
planet X is what it used to be called the
giant red planet. Planet Neberu is not a circular orbit
like the rest of the planets. It's an oval orbit
and it goes so far out that it takes three thousand,
six hundred years for it to come back close enough
to Earth for the aliens Onnabiu to come visit the Earth.

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Fascinating theory that Sitchin talked about. He talked about how
the Anunaki created primates and then three thousand, six hundred
years later, when the planet came back, he took those
primates and made them intelligent, gave them the ability to reproduce,
and named them a Damu, which is very similar to Adam.
So why I don't believe that's truth. I believe what

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we see in our mythologies is echoes of the truth,
echoes of scripture, and I like to say a marginal mysteries.
There's a whole lot more truth to our mythologies than
a lot of folks will give credit. Also, as soon
as I'm done with Angels Eternal, I will be continuing
on my twenty twenty six book, Mythologies Decoded Echoes of
the Bible. So kind of fun studying this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
You got a lot of reading it right and to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Oh I love doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Though I know it was fun and yeah, well, if
you guys are enjoying this conversation, I can't encourage you
highly enough to go actually click on the link at
the top of your screen, or go to the website
the word at warmedia dot com and get a copy
of Micah's book, The Earth as it was. You are
not going to be disappointed. He gets into all the
things and more that we are talking about today. So

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get your copy today, one way or the other. But
you know, there's some other things too, Michael, that I
wanted to touch upon that you had mentioned to show
that we have and this was some really other you know,
other than the bureau because I had that written down,
so you kind of went there, which is fascinating. But
one of the other things that I found fascinating is
some evidence of the fact that we have this caveman

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theory that's been proposed by modern archaeology, right, and we
have a lot of evidence that shows that the ancients
had far more advanced technology than what we believe, and
maybe even more advanced technology than what we have today.
And you shared a fascinating story about a place in

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India that shows that they potentially had a nuclear explosion
thousands of years ago. Would you like to share some
of that please?

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Absolutely so. Again, like you said on our chapter on
the atoms humans, we talk about the technology that could
have happened in those days, and I think it is
quite possible, as you said that before the flood, that
technology was more events than we have today. If God
chose to destroy the earth today and chose to save
one family of eight people, he could pick people in

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the mountains of Australia Africa, people who are not really
in tune with the technology of the day, and the
whole world will be forgotten. All the technology will be
wiped out and forgotten. So why do I say that? Well,
first of all, Adam and Eve used their whole intelligence.
The creation has become more and more corrupt over the years,

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and Adam and Eve were much smarter than we are.
You think about the possibilities of the different things that
they could have been able to do. First of all,
telepathy is a thing. Ants used telepathy, So if telepthy
is part of our creation, who's to say that Adam
and Eve didn't have that capability. I think we've as
humans have degraded and lost some things. I'm not saying

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we had telepathy, but we do know telepty is a
thing here on the earth, at least with ants. So
when you talk about the nuclear explosion in India, fascinating
story the Maha Barata, which I don't know if I
said that right, but it's one of the seven Hindu Vedas,
one of the seven Hindu religious texts. It talks about

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a weapon, an old weapon called the bahar Mastra, and
the Bahara Mastra was an ultimate weapon that they used
in a battle. The two armies were gathered together in
a flaming arrow. The Bahara Manstra was shot into the
air and another flaming arrow was shot into the air
and met the first flaming arrow, and there was a
massive flash in the sky and the two armies, the

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men standing below those weapons, the face, the skin on
their face melted while they were standing the armor melted
to their flesh. Those two armies died. Well, I mean,
that's the same effects of nuclear weapons exploding in the atmosphere.
Not only that, according to the Maharashtra, the land in

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that area wouldn't produce fruit or vegetables for two hundred
and fifty years. Women who had children in that area
had mutated children. These are all the same effects that
we get from radiation poisoning from nuclear weapons like Hiroshima
and Nagasaki. Okay, now bring it to today. I'm trying
to think where to go with that. Today, in Rajasthan,

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which is a state or a place in India, they
have found skeletons in ruins where the ruins these stones
are melted together. The skeletons at those sites are more
radioactive than skeletons at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. There's also a
giant crater in Rajasthan, you know, could have been from

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that blast from thousands of years ago. So this is
all very fascinating. But even if you don't believe that
that was a nuclear blast before the flood or even
after the flood, Even if you don't believe that, read
the words that were written three thousand, five hundred years
ago in the Maha Barasta in Mahabarata. Read those words

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that are three thousand, five hundred years old, and you
read about the arrows meeting in the sky and the
radiation and stuff. It's like, even if this isn't a
nuclear weapon, this is eerie that these words are this old.
Fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Yeah, it was, It was. It was fascinting because I
thought the same exact thing, you know, trying to put
you know, for lack of a better term, devil's advocate
on the other side, you know, to try to pull
it apart and say, well, how could this be wrong?
You know, this is something different, and it's just so
out of the pail, and you're looking at the descriptors
because we know now, unfortunately and now to you know,
the time we live in, what a nuclear blast looks like.

(01:21:22):
We have plenty of example of that, right, And you're
reading this account and you're like, this is crazy because
it is explaining exactly what would happen during a nuclear blast,
including the fallout and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
So the birth the birth defects was one that really
stood out to me. I mean, like, that's that to
come up and conjure that story out of the thin air.
Someone either had extreme profetic ability to look into the
future and maybe write it down, or they had this
event happen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, we see a little bit of that in
Revelation One. Two of the fascinating things in Revelation that
John the Revelator had that was prophetic visions that was
not at his time. Was first of all, when the
two pits are stoned in our future, the whole world
watches it happen. In Revelation well, two thousand years ago,
when you're writing this, how in the world can the

(01:22:08):
whole world watch something happen? Well, we know now with
the internet and television that it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Also in Revelation nine, when it's talking about the locust
coming out of the pit, they're talking about breastplate of iron,
tail like a scorpion, head like a human, body like
a grasshopper, and hair like a woman. In the sound
of its wings as a thousand rushing chariots in the battle, Well,
that is perfectly describing an attack helicopter in the Book

(01:22:34):
of Revelation, chapter nine. So John is writing about visions
he's having but doesn't know what they are, so he
describes it in different ways. And so, yeah, was the
maha barasta maha barata These words are long and a butcher.
Was that prophetic visions real field somebody or was this
something that truly happened? The question remains, what kind of

(01:22:55):
technology did they have that in those ancient days?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, you know, and obviously that technology was given to
us by the watchers, as we talked about, and I
think it's still plagues as today because we can see
things re emerging after the flood as well. And you know,
one of the other things that we can see, you know,
even as we read extra biblical account or not even
extra biblical accounts, but biblical accounts after the flood and
extra biblical as well, I'm sure, but we can even

(01:23:22):
kind of speculate now, is we have these instances of
all of these giant sidings still still today, right, that
are occurring that we're finding and have found in history,
not that long ago, you know, within you know, a
couple hundred years even. Yeah, and you had shared in
the story, you know, I think everybody at this particular

(01:23:43):
point is fairly familiar with the story of the Giant
of Kandahar. But the interesting thing that I read in
the book that was was fascinating to me was that's
not the only account of giants being taken out of Afghanistan.
So please if you would share some of that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
There's just like the pilot came and took the Giant
of Candahar away in a net underneath the helicopter. There's
a similar story of a pilot doing it two years later,
but it was not the Giant of Kandahar. It was
a different one. But then we also get into the
Giant of Kundar. Now I did go through Kandahar and
my deployment Afghanistan. I didn't stay there very long, but
I was in Kandahar. But there's a Giant of Kundar

(01:24:20):
that a soldier talks about, and he didn't think much
of the signs until he got back from Afghanistan and
was reading these accounts of the Giant of Kandahar and
started putting things together. So he would observe in Afghan
village for his deployment, and he noticed in his thermals
which I've used thermal scopes over in Iraqan. Thermal scopes
are amazing, because I remember so whenever we had the

(01:24:44):
thermal scope my team did, I'd always volunteer for night
duty because you could look in the thermal scope and
see field mice running out in the fields hundreds of
yards away. Thermal scopes were awesome. So this guy talks
about looking through his thermal scope at night and seeing
a man on the mountain across the valley on the
other side of the village, and he wasn't thinking much

(01:25:05):
of it. But then that man stood up. He thought
he was already standing. No, he stood up, and he
was like three times as tall as he thought. He
says he was taller than the trees. Well, he also
started to put two and two together. When he got
back from his deployment, he noticed that the people of
the village would dye the hair of their goats orange.
And I saw Afghan people with hair dyed orange. But

(01:25:26):
they would dye the hair of their goats orange, and
then those orange hair goats would be gone the next day.
They just wouldn't be anywhere. And so he was speculating
that they were actually and heard from stories that they
could have been sacrificing those goats and giving those goats
to the giant of Koondar. So there are stories of giants,
and we even have images of giant people from the

(01:25:49):
early days of photography were talking about one hundred and
fifty years ago now, and we got to differentiate between
people who have cancer in the brain that caused like
Robert Wadlow, that caused them to grow so tall and
then they eventually die in their twenties. That's a genetic disorder.
We're talking about in scripture the giants being warriors. Robert

(01:26:10):
Wadlow and the other people who suffer from cancer the
petuliary gland, they're not warriors. They're very feeble. Their bones
break easily. We're talking about people who were warriors and
able to function at high octane at their size. And
so we have images of there's a famous one of
a Mongolian man, black and white photo, and we do

(01:26:31):
see a lot of these giants in that area of
the world's southern Siberia, from Iran over to Mongolia. That's
where a lot of the records of the giants are.
We're talking about Afghanistan and the mountains, and of course
I remember flying across Afghanistan and as far as the
eye could see, mountains, rugged mountains. No village is anything.

(01:26:51):
Rugged mountains is like, man, has anybody ever set foot
in those mountains? Yeah? And I want to sleep in
the airplane. I went to sleep in the airplane and
I woke up forty five minutes later and I was
still looking at those rugged mountains. So what is in Siberia?
What is in those mountains? It's possible. Now, then we
get into the theory of you know, the do the
nephilin return for the end times and the Freemasons in

(01:27:13):
my book Secret Society Freemasons and Rosicrusis sure believe that
the Nephilam are going to return, and we're not going
to get into that whole story, but you know, we
hear stories of Nephlim existing today and secret government facilities
and different things. Fascinating topic for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Thank you for joining me today, man, I'm really excited
to get into some of these other books with you.
We're actually going to shift right now. We're actually going
to go into our members only time for the rest
and have some more discussion. But if you guys want
to support the show and be part of the members
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(01:27:50):
become a member of the show, and then you're also
going to want to check out this video. If you
enjoyed this conversation with Mike and today, check out this
interview that I did with doctor Kent Hovind, who we've
referenced on the show. Few times today and that is
titled creationism. We get into a lot of these science
behind the idea of a biblical creation versus what modern
science will try to tell us. So thank you guys

(01:28:12):
very much and stay Frosty.

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