The Liberty Code | UFOs, America’s Founding Fathers & Government Secrets - The Word At War

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That was pretty shocked. Not only did the founders.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Speculate about alien life, but there's actually some pretty old
UFO reports that Thomas Jefferson received. It really sounds like
things out of a sci fi movie, things that some
of the whistleblowers have talked about today. Actually, one of

(00:23):
the UFO reports that he gets describes an object that
was the size of a house. This object basically covered
over the ground and actually crashed. In this detailed report
that was given to Jefferson's there was actually a drawing.
It was called Plate five and it was attacked to
the letter. Now why is it that the drawing of

(00:45):
the object is not attached to that particular letter.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Welcome to the War Room. I'm Kyle.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thank you for joining me on the Word at War.
So my guest today is author and speaker Tyler Gilreath,
a passionate Bible researcher, compelling writer, and dynamic speaker. He
is the author of Gospel over Gods, Gates of the Gods,
and The Liberty Code, works that explore deep theological and

(01:20):
historical themes. It's his latest book that we are going
to talk about today, The Liberty Code. How the Founder's
secret writings exposed the UFO agenda and the coming alien crisis.
The book uncovers the shocking connections between America's founding fathers
and the mysteries of alien life. In this groundbreaking work,
Tyler unearths the historical evidence that early presidents like George

(01:41):
Washington and Thomas Jefferson knew far more about UFOs and
extraterrestrial intelligence than we have been told. Tyler, thanks so
much for joining me, Man, I really appreciate it all.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I appreciate the invitation to join you and jump on
this podcast to talk about very timely topic. I don't
think we could always have said that about the UFO topic,
but truly, we were living in unprecedented times where new
information about the UAP phenomenon is really coming at us

(02:18):
faster than we can process at times.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So it's an.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Honor, yeah, Man, for sure. For certain.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's really kind of where I wanted to start off
our conversation today. You did such a wonderful job in
the book of kind of weaving this tapestry of where
we are today to kind of start off, but then
rewinding a little bit, and I want to kind of
follow that path today because I do believe we live
in an unprecedented times. I know from my age group
and from my age and vantage point watching the progression

(02:49):
from when I was a kid, and if you dared
to talk about, you know, UFO's aliens, you were basically
labeled a conspiracy theorist nut.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Wha could do.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Right right where we are today where this is pretty
much widely accepted is yeah, there's there's something going on,
and I think for the most part, it's more accepted
now to talk about and when you look at where
we are from a disclosure standpoint and where you kind
of start off in the book as you really lead
off with the twenty twenty three I believe it was

(03:19):
a Senate hearing on UAPs and kind of this whole
topic with three people, all military having you know, resumes experience.
They're not crazy people and have been involved with, you know,
flying F eighteen fighter jets and deep within kind of
the defense portion of our country. And that was the

(03:43):
three Gentlemen where Ryan Graves, David Fraver, and David Grush.
So talk a little bit about that hearing and some
of the things that you picked out of that if you.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Would, Yeah, absolutely, And you're referencing the July twenty six,
twenty twenty three House Oversight Committee on National Security. That
was a bombshell of really information coming out from three

(04:12):
key whistle blowers. Like you said, you have David Grush,
former intelligence official whistle blower who is tasked pretty much
by Congress to.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Figure out what in the world is going on with UFOs.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
You have Ryan Gray's former Navy pilot, he's now the
executive director of Americans for Safe Aerospace. And then you
had David Fraver, who was the retired Navy commander famously
known for the two thousand and four USSNM it's tic
tac UFP encounter. And so what we heard coming out

(04:49):
of that hearing was truly a landmark disclosure in its
own right, and that got a lot of people's attention.
I mean it really because again, these three witnesses were
in all intents and purposes impeachable. You know, their skill set,

(05:12):
their their acumen, their resume, their security clearance. I mean,
David Grush at one time was basically giving UH.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Security briefings to President of the United States.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So we're talking about high quality people, and all of
them described basically the same thing that there are things
in our airspace that our government have known about for
many years, and that people in the military, whether it's

(05:47):
the Navy, the Air Force, the Army, they are encountering
these objects pretty routinely off the coast of California, off
the east coast. David Grush pacifically, over the period of
about two or three years, interviewed over forty witnesses, some

(06:08):
of which worked in what he described as the legacy
UAP program, this longstanding UFO program that was offiscated to secrecy.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And that we have been involved in.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
A retrieval of downed craft UFOs UAPs and we have
been reversed engineering them for decades. And so that was
on the congressional record. That was that was really monumental. Now,
following that hearing, there was another one on November thirteenth,

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twenty twenty four. This was a joint subcommittee hearing on
Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon. And in that hearing you had other
high level officials such as doctor Tim Galladette, who is
the Rear Admiral retired for the US Navy and CEO

(07:08):
of Ocean STL Consulting.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You had Louis Elissando.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Who was the former director of a TIP, the Advanced
Aerospace Threat Identification Program. You had Michael Schellenberger, who is
a investigative journalist in the know, and you had Michael Gold,
who was a former NASA Associate Administrator for Space Policy
and Partnerships. And so that was also a pretty tremendous hearing,

(07:38):
not as explosive as the first, but basically what we're
talking about, Kyle, is that there are hearings and more
hearings in the works. I believe there's one in September
of twenty twenty five planned where now Congress members of
the Senate at the House are hearing whistleblower testimony that

(08:02):
essentially asserts that we are not alone, that our government
has been lying to us for seventy or eighty years,
and that it is high time for the American people
to know and understand what is going on.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
One of the things when I started digging into all
this myself, and I kind of shared with you before
we started recording today, that my wife and I watched
a ton of documentaries a little bit of a UFO NERD.
Not from an obsessive perspective, but it is a fascination
point and one of the things that really stood out
to me was Grush's testimony Graves and Fravor. By that

(08:45):
particular point, I think everybody was pretty familiar with the
TIC TAC and some of the things that they had
talked about, but Graves was or excuse me, Grush was
explosive because it was really through Grush that he acknowledged
much to what you just said, that we have long
had these programs where it's been retrieval and reverse engineering,

(09:08):
and coupled with that, what he really said was multi
decade So this has been going on, you know, not
something that's been in the last ten fifteen years, but
literally probably goes back decades, which fits perfectly when we
rewind the clock, which is kind of where I want
to go next, and we really look at how far

(09:30):
back this goes, and we know we have Roswell and
forty seven, but there are things that happened prior to
that as well. And one of the things that you
did in the book, which was so awesome was you
even rewound the clock back further than that, which I'd
never heard anybody do before, taking it back to the
founding fathers. And so before we get there, I guess

(09:52):
One of the things I should have started off with
to ask you, was, you know, how did you get
into this? What was your fascination point? From your perspective
on digging into all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I had written two previous books on the supernatural war
of the Bible, one Gospel over Gods, one Gay of
the Gods, and I was kind of satisfied at that point.
Maybe I wouldn't write again right after you have a
writing project.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
It takes so much energy out of you.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're just like, Okay, I can rest now. But the
more that came out about this topic, the UFO topic,
I truly wanted to get back to work and start
investigating this UAP phenomenon from all angles. And what I

(10:39):
had not seen done before. I had not seen anyone
really investigate too much prior to nineteen forty seven, the Roswell,
you know, famous Roswell crash, and I just wondered, how
far back does this go?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Me as a Christian, you know, I have a biblical worldview.
I frequently study ancient history, you know, the Prediluvian world,
post Alivian world, and so I'm used to looking back
in history and trying to find ah, you know, bits
and pieces of evidence and connecting the dots.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And so I said, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Congress is meeting now to send at the house. They're
they're talking about extraterrestrial intelligence. You know, I wonder how
far back this goes, right, And so I said, let
me just you know, investigate the origins of America and
just you know, see, you know, if I can dig
up anything that has not really been brought to the

(11:41):
surface before.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
And so I started digging.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And I really didn't expect to find too much, to
be honest with you, really anything at all. But I
was pretty shocked that not only uh, you know, did
the founders speculate about alien life, but there's actually some
pretty old UFO reports that Thomas Jefferson received. And so

(12:10):
that I really again started digging in and trying to
complete this historical narrative which is there, which has been
there all along, but no one's really talking about it,
because you know, I think what our government would want
us to know and think and believe is that the
topic of aliens and UFOs is a byproduct of the

(12:33):
creative genius of Steven Spielberg or some other Hollywood director,
and that we are all just latching onto something that
we find so fascinating and we get obsessed with, but
there's really nothing here to actually, you know, measure or quantify.

(12:55):
That was not the case in my investigation into this topic.
In fact, it was quite the opposite, so much so
that much of what we see in the movies is
being directed and nudged by our government. In fact, there's
a movie coming out in the near future by Steven

(13:15):
Spielberg called Disclosure. I'm very interested in what may be disclosed,
not only cinematically creatively, but actually historically, Like what are
we actually going to get some type some level of
disclosure in this Hollywood movie, a soft disclosure, or at

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least a thought or an impression made upon anyone who
watches it. That was the case with the recent movie
Elio from Disney, about this young boy that gets abducted
because he wants to be abducted, he reaches out into
the heavens and invites alien visitors to take him away

(13:59):
from human civilization, which is not kind to him. And
so at the end of that movie, you know, basically
there is that serious moment where they are really getting
us to think, you know, we're.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Not alone this universe. So having say all that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
What I found in my investigation is that this topic
goes back much further than nineteen forty seven in America
by the Founding Fathers. And I'll be glad to unpack
some of that if you'd.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Like, Yeah, actually, that's exactly where I was going to
go next. Before we do that, I just want to say,
you know, one of the tantalizing things that you talked about.
We're going to get into this later in the conversation
for anybody listening, is just how the disclosure is unraveling
and how some of these entities like Hollywood and various
others may be playing a part in the deliberate softening

(14:57):
the blow if you speak, or if you to say,
of the disclosure process. So we're going to get to
that a little bit later in the discussion, but let's
definitely focus on right now some of the things that
you talked about as far as the Founding Fathers goes,
because again I found this fascinating because we typically think
from kind of roswell Ford, I think is really what
the UFO community mainly thinks of, right, roswell Ford. So

(15:19):
you can go all the way back to George Washington,
and this story if you want to start there of
him in the Valley Forge, woulds so please do share
that story.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
If you would.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, So there is a legend and this has this
legend has been talked about before, I believe on the
History Channel. And essentially, George Washington at Valley Forge is
overcome and overwhelmed with emotion and he gets visited by

(15:49):
a divine being, extrastrial being, what have you.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Superior?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know, intellect is going on here, and this being
shows him the future, the future of America, the outcome
of the war, and this emboldens Washington to move forward
and to actually fulfill the destiny that he was shown

(16:18):
by this visitor. And so, you know, this was a
legend that started in the eighteen hundreds. It got passed
around in a basically a newspaper, and from there it
just kind of took you know, grew legs and has
been propagated over the years. And that again is not

(16:41):
necessarily considered historical. That is just a legend. And so
I said, well, you know, we have this legend here,
is there anything concrete that we can definitely say happened?
You know, something that we can say is tangible and
is historical, and so the answer is yes, there was

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a founding father who passed away. His name was David Rittenhouse. Now,
David Rittenhouse was not a well known, you know, patriot
by any means compared to you know, Washington or Jefferson,
but he was very important. He was tapped by Washington
and Jefferson as being the first director of the US Mint,

(17:28):
so he was right there in the beginnings, you know,
with directing the money in America. He was also a
personal friend of Washington. Washington would ask him on several
occasions to make certain kind of instruments, whether it be
something foreseeing better or you know, whether it be something

(17:50):
for measuring land and dividing properties, as America was in
the land business. Now, right, we have to divide all
this up. He was also an astronomer. He was really
one of a kind when it came to science, mathematics,
and all kinds of topics.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
He was also the.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
President of the American Philosophical Society. Now you've probably never
heard of that, and I hadn't either, but it's pretty
fascinating if you want to go down a separate rabbit hole. Essentially,
it was the think tank of the day. It was
Ted talks on steroids. You basically had, yeah, the brightest

(18:36):
minds coming together to talk about all kinds of various
topics under the sun.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And so he had died, okay, and this was a
big blow to America.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And he died on June twenty sixth, seventeen ninety six,
and so he needed to be celebrated for his accomplis schmis,
his contributions to know colonial America. And so the American
Philosophical Society decided to have a celebration of life. And

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so they began to invite anybody who was important. You're
talking about the Senate, the Congress, George Washington himself, foreign
dignitaries also came to this eulegium, and the date was
December seventeenth, seventeen ninety six. You had in attendance again

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members such as Andrew Jackson, who would be I believe,
the seventh President of the United States, who at the
time was the Tennessee representative. You had James Madison, who
was the Virginia representative, who would be the fourth President
of the United States.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You had Aaron Burr who would.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Be vice president under Thomas Jefferson, and of course George
Washington himself and undoubtedly his vice President, John Adams, who
would be the second President of the United States.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
So I can't overstate who was in the room.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, this wasn't just Joe Schmoe off the street. This
was very well thought of, a highly respected.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Person exactly highly respected person somewhat so that they needed
to provide ample time for people to travel from overseas
even to you know, to make it to this event.
And so what happened is that, you know, at this

(20:38):
really monumental eulogium, you had doctor Benjamin Rush, who was
a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
He was tapped with basically being the MC of the event.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
He was the one that was welcoming everybody who was
reflecting back upon.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
The life of David Rittenhouse and.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Really a brilliant man in his own right and at
this event. And by the way, we know what happened
at this event because it is in the archive of
the American Philosophical Society. The transcript is in the archive. Okay,
so that's pretty unusual that we have a transcript that

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goes all the way back to seventeen ninety six from
a public a public event such as this.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So that's pretty remarkable. But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
In this transcript, doctor Benjamin Rush, you know, you talked
about his accomplishments of written House, but then he got
into what is really mind blowing, the thought train of
are we alone in the universe extraterrestrial life, extraterstrial intelligence.

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And he began to read some of the writings and
the musings of David Rittenhouse to George Washington, Andrew Jackson again,
Aaron Burr, James Madison, John Adams, everybody who was there
in attendance. And when I was reading this and I
came across this, I thought, this is amazing. In fact,

(22:18):
we have come full circle on this topic, because what
we have now is we have the Congress and the
Senate gathering together to talk about extraterrestrial life. I thought
this has already happened before. You know, this happened in
seventeen ninety six. We have come full circle investigating this phenomenon,

(22:39):
investigating this topic, that idea and that reality is not
being talked about anywhere that I've ever seen. I mean
this again, It's not like I went out and put
a shovel on the ground and found an ancient tablet.
I mean, this information is on the internet, is on
the archive of the American Philosophical Society, and nobody's talking

(23:00):
about it. And I think that's a really a travesty.
But that was that discovery alone was pretty eye opening
that this topic of extraterrestrial intelligence was indeed discussed on
that day in a church building, by the way, all

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the way back in seventeen ninety six.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
It's kind of amazing when you think of it. I
did when I was reading the book. I didn't really
think of it from the perspective that you just came from,
of the coming full circle aspect. You know here that
you have all of these founders of our country that
formed our governmental structure, and it's really the government that
is now flushing a lot of this stuff out of
the weeds, or at least perceivingly flushing it out of
the weeds. I think I think there's been a little

(23:46):
bit of a natural friction point between some of our
elected officials and the truth and those who hold the
you know, gate keep the keys to the truth, if
you will. And again we're going to dive more into
that here later in the conversation. But you know, having
all of these people in attendance kind of highlights for
you or had to during the research process of like,

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what else you know is in written record that I
can find where these guys are clearly talking about things.
And you have writings that you share in the book
from John Adams, who seemingly was very fascinated with the
idea of extraterrestrials and you know UFOs common terms for
us now not necessarily the terms that they use at
the time, but one of the most fascinating ones that

(24:28):
I can only you know, think from your perspective of
being a researcher and diving in and writing a book
had to be what you found in regards to Thomas Jefferson.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
And it was.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Jefferson reading out loud in front of a group the
William Dunbar Letter. So please do share that story.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
If you would. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
So you basically have Jefferson, who obviously President of the
United States. He would follow Benjamin Franklin and Rittenhouse, and
he would also be the president of the American Philosophical
Society as well, And so he.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Had a brilliant, brilliant man.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh yeah, brilliant man.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Unbelievably, unbelievably brilliant man.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I put in the book.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think it was something like he studied when he
was a kid. It was like fifteen hours a day,
you know, truly truly brilliant man, like you said. And
so he was not over his skis, you know, basically
being the president of not only the country, but the
American Philosophical Society. But he had a couple of UFO

(25:39):
reports that came across his desk that were very intriguing.
It really sounds like things out of a sci fi movie.
It sounds like things that some of the whistleblowers have
talked about today. And basically one of the UFO reports

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that he gets describes an object that was the size
of a house. And this object basically, you know, hovered
over the ground. And if I'm not mistaken, that particular case,
the mysterious object actually crashed.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Crashed, landed.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And in this detailed report from Jefferson that was given
to Jefferson and Jefferson read out loud, there was actually
a drawing. It was called plate five and it was
attached to the to the letter. Now this is where
I started to get pretty skeptical. I mean, the American

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Philosophical Society has done a pretty good job of keeping records.
Why is it that the drawing of the object is
not attached, you know, to that particular or letter. We
can only speculate, you know, was it lost to time
by chance, or was it you know, basically taken out

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at the behesting of the government that we do not want.
We're okay with a letter, but we're not okay with
a drawing of what was seen that particular day.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So that particular case.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
There was no follow up that I could find since
this object crash landed. You know, the letter talked about
how the ground was broken up.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And the earth was you know, scorched.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And so some might say, well, you know, maybe it
was just a comet or a meteor or whatever. But
you know, I went back and I started reading and
expanding the archive in my mind of the American Philosophical Society,
and I found plenty of instances where clearly they were
talking about you know, meteors, you know, things like that,

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and those were identified as such and classified as such.
This was not that, this was something that was totally
off the radar, something totally different. And so again we
don't know what they found because at least at this
current time in my investigation into this, there was no

(28:25):
follow up, a written follow up.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I'm sure there was a follow up.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
It said there was a follow up, but there was
no written follow up that I could find that would
give us more indication on what exactly they found. And
so that was one UFO report that came across Jefferson's desk.
He had another one that was basically by two shipmen,
two fishermen. I believe it was by Hansford and Clark.

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This was in the Portsmouth, Virginia area. And Edward Hansford
was as a tavern keeper, carpenter, harbor master for Norfolk
and Portsmouth District in eighteen oh five, and John Clark
was a you know, essentially a native of Newport, Rhode Island,

(29:15):
and they had recently been I guess out on the
seas or you know, in work somewhere in that region
of the country when they came across a anomalist object
that not only appeared to them, but it changed shape
in the sky.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Now, this is.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Definitely we're not dealing with anything natural here. You know
that can shape shift in the sky. I mean that
is not you know, natural by any means. You know,
we're definitely not mistaken a meteor or.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Anything like that.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
So what the letter describes by Hansford and Clark, written T.
Tome Jefferson is again that this object took on the
form of a turtle, it took on the form of
a Scottish highlander, and really had no obvious explanation.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And so.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Jefferson, to my knowledge, didn't do anything with that report.
He may have investigated it privately, but there's nothing in
the public domain. There's nothing that we can say there
was follow up to. And I believe I'm not mistaken.
That letter is hanging up in his mansion, uh the

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Manticello Museum on display.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So again.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I just wonder, you know, as if I'm able to
find this information, I'm able to dig this up. You know,
why is it Why isn't this being talked about, you know,
in the Congress and the Senate today. Why is this
not a part of the public dialogue. The fact that
you know, the first president of the United States, the
second President of the United States, the third President of

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the United States all had some kind of either report
or were sitting in a room when this topic was discussed.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think that is really a shame that that is.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Not more known, and hopefully, you know, through my book
and being guessed on podcasts, hopefully more people can learn
about that and know about that.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
But it's it's fascinating, it really is. Man. This is.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Again not supposition, this is not legend. This is fact,
and that is why I wanted to put it in
the book.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, I find it fascinating that all of these, you know,
supporting documents if you will, the plate five exhibit drawing,
the follow up investigations that are never mentioned. All of
these things just seemingly are missing from the archives, but
taning evidence of some of these things are still there.
And initially when you read, especially the Louisiana event, it

(32:08):
comes across like, ah, you know, it's easy to dismiss it. Oh,
it's just a meteor. These guys know what meteors are.
You know, this is it's not like they're cave people
and they've never seen a meteor before. They these guys
are brilliant. They're they're a room full of very intelligent people,
so they know what these things are. And the behaviors
of the objects are not operating like a meteor, so

(32:29):
they're they're very familiar with this, so.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Before I get to my next question, exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Sorry, go ahead, if you have more to act.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, let me just let.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Me just let me just let me just jump in
here and say, you're exactly right. David Rittenhouse was famous
for observing the seventeen sixty nine transit of Venus. That
is how tuned in they were to what is happening
in the skies and in space. Yeah, so let's not
be ambiguous about that. You're exactly right. They knew what

(32:58):
they were doing. I mean, they were brilliant, brilliant individuals.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Absolutely one.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
So, if you guys are enjoying this conversation, you are
definitely going to want to pick up your copy of
The Liberty Code. You can click the link on your screen.
You can actually check the show notes, or you can
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
So, the next place I really want to go with
the conversation Tyler is I really want to fast forward
a little bit up to the World War two timeframe,
because that really feels like when things started to quickly
escalate as far as the UFO sightings, and then from

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that point on up until today, it's just seemingly gotten
more and more compounded and worse as time has gone on.
And there's a couple of interesting things that you had
mentioned in the book that I really wanted to dial into.
One of the ones that I was not aware of
that I found fascinating actually was happening during the war
was a leaked memo from Roosevelt to George Marshall about

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being in possession of quote unquote material that could be
used for you know, creation of a weapon to help
end the war. So dive into that story if you
would a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
So this was, you know, essentially an alleged leaked memo,
you know, dated February twenty seventh, nineteen forty two, and
it was regarding you know, the recovering.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Of celestial devices.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right, that's a a term that's pregnant with meaning, right,
and so.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Essentially and I'm on reading the memo if you if
you liked me to do that, but.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Essentially, it was just the acknowledgment he was, you know,
writing to you know, George C. Marshall. And here's what
the memo said from Roosevelt. I have considered the disposition
of the material in possession of the Army that may
be of great significance towards the development of a super

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weapon of war. I disagree with the argument that such
information should be shared with our ally of the Soviet Union.
It's interesting, he would say that, because later, you know,
a young, young JFK would want to work with the Soviets.
But consultation with doctor Bush and other scientists on the

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issue of finding practical uses for the atomic secrets learned
from the study of celestial devices precludes any further discussion,
and I therefore authorized Doctor Bush to proceed with the
project without further delay. The information is vital, he writes,
to the nation's periority, and must remain with the confines

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of state secrets. Any further discussion on the matter will
be restricted to General Donovan, Doctor Bush, the Secretary of War,
and yourself. The challenge our nation faces is daunting and perilous.
In this undertaking, I have committed the resources of the
government towards the end, you have my assurance. He writes
that when circumstances are favorable and we are victorious, the

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army will have the fruits of the research in exploring
further applications of this new wonder. So that was interesting
because you essentially have the acknowledgment of, you know, technological
devices that are celestial in nature.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
In other words, they're not from here, right, And so
that was.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
A very revolutionary thought.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
You know, in our discussion so far, we have.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Talked of Washington and then Adams and Jefferson and some
UFO reports that hit Jefferson's desk, and now, as you said,
fast forward years later and now we are recovering celestial devices.
And this is the early whispers of reverse engineering this

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type of technology for national security purposes.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, it's really fascinating because again I consider myself to
be a little bit of a UFO nerd with my wife,
and I was not aware of this this memo, so
it's kind of shocking to read. But you know, this
goes hand in hand with other things that we experienced
during the war. You know, food fighters is the term
that a lot of the fighter pilots would use when

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they would see unidentified craft. And then the other thing
that happens is, you know, we obviously everyone's.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Very familiar.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
With Roswell, but we have a couple other events that
actually happened prior to Roswell, one of them being Cape
Girardo event. So could you explain a little bit more
about what happened in that event.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know, one of the earliest UFO occurrences happened, like
you said, during Cape Girardo, Missouri in nineteen forty one. Now,
again a lot of this is, you know, hearsay or
documentation from family members. According to Charlotte Mann, which her
grandfather was a Baptist minister.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
His name was William Huffman. He was called to the
scene of.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
What he believed to be was a plane crash. Instead,
Huffman reported that there was a circular craft with three
humanoid type beings. And this again a very very mysterious account,

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not surprising because again you have various UFO reports in
around this time period, but the credibility of the witness
I think that is probably where the story is. It
would be uncommon, I would think for a Baptist minister
to just you know, make up some random UFO report

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that would not really be in the profile, you know,
somebody holding that position. So that was again a very credible,
credible sighting. As you know, all of these in the book.
You know, I leave it up to the reader to
determine their genuineness or not. But but when I was
going through that case kind of doing some study on it,

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I do remember thinking, man, Okay, he was a a
Baptist minister, why would he you know, fabricate this story,
you know if if it were not so, that doesn't really,
like I said, fit the profile. And so so yeah,
So that that happened again six years before the Roswell

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incident in nineteen forty seven. And again you have a
couple incidents leading up to Roswell.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That were foundational.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You have February twenty fifth, nineteen forty two, as you mentioned,
known as the Battle of Los Angeles, where essentially you
have the city that is plunged into darkness. The military
is responding to what they believe is an aerial attack.
They discharged fourteen hundred shells into the darkness, hoping to

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hit their enemies, and essentially it's nothing. You know, when
the dust settles and they began to send up you know,
probes or you know, basically saying, you know, is anybody
there sending up planes and shooting into the air, and
they realize that there's nothing there. They're phantom they're phantoms.

(40:58):
And so that was a very mysterious There's actually a
sci fi movie that was based on this event. It
was called The Battle of Los Angeles. I don't know
if you've seen that or not, Colm.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yea, Aaron Eckhart, I think is the is the actor
that's in there. I haven't seen the movie, but I
know what you're referencing. Yeah, it's kind of more of
a modern telling of the story.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Right, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely a modern telling and a
lot of creative license being used.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But it was based upon that.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Mysterious event where we were being invaded but yet couldn't
really see our invaders. And so that was, you know,
an event that really shook a lot of people in
the nation. And so again, all those events are in
the backdrop of that celestial device memo that I read
frank mondeln or Roosevelt. And so there was a lot

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happening in and around the nineteen forties leading up to
what would then be Roswell.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
So, yeah, pretty fascinating.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
It's kind of interesting because I think if I remember
from from what I read in the book, you know,
it seems like when the dust settles in the day
dawns after the Battle of Los Angeles, some of they
actually may have recovered something that they actually did shoot down,
and that might have, like much to your point, kind
of been the underpinnings of that memo that we just
talked about that was, you know, from Roosevelt to Marshall.

(42:21):
So it's it's kind of fascinating, you know. And and
then the next thing that really happens, you know, we
go through the war, we come out of the war,
and we have Eisenhower, you know, Truman. Obviously, I think
Truman's huge too from the standpoint of the bar. Yeah,
so talk about Truman a little bit and some of
the things that kind of happened during his administration, how
that was kind of a turning point for everything.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, Yeah, Truman. Truman was very important, especially when you
get into the secrecy aspect of this topic, you know,
which at least early on the presidents were in the know.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Later on that would not be the case.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
The book describes decades of various administrations trying to break
through the secrecy veil that was really put in place
during those Truman years Fdr Truman in Eisenhower years.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
But yeah, Harry is Truman.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
He became president of nineteen forty five, and you know
a lot would happen in the UFO world during his presidency.
You had the term coined flying saucer that happened near
the Mount Rainier signings in nineteen forty seven, where you know,

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allegedly there were you know, nine crescent shaped crafts that
appeared to be skipping like saucers on the horizon near
Mount Rainier. And so that was a big event. And again,
of course you have the as we've already alluded to,
the famous sorenfamous Roswell crash of nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Where.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You know, the Roswell Army Airfield issued a press relief
press release that they had recovered a flying disc, but
quickly that was walked back and yes, they said, no, no, no,
nothing to see here. You know, Major Jesse, Marcel and others,

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they don't.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
This is, you know, a weather balloon and here is
the evidence of that. So you know, let's move along, citizens,
nothing to see here. And so that was again during
the Truman administration, and so right out of the gate
we start to see the offuscation of information put in vaults,

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if you will, and that is really where the slandering
and the disinformation and the debunking, the belittling really began
to take place. You know, I wonder how things could
have been different had they handled the Roslow incident differently,

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you know, had they come clean about what it was
that they indeed recovered in nineteen forty seven at Roswell,
New Mexico. How would the UFO narratives be different. It
would be extremely different. That was the blueprints for all
of the UFO stories to be whisked away generations later. Yeah,

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but yeah, you know, the Truman administration would continue to
rock on.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Deny, deny.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
There was the famous UFO incident in nineteen fifty two
where on two separate weekends July nineteenth and twentieth, In
July twenty sixth through twenty seventh, there were reports that
UFOs were essentially buzzing the US capital over the White House.

(46:03):
These objects were detected on radar. Of course, they were
tracked at both Washington National Airport and Andrew Air Force Base.
The first incident began very late into the night on
July nineteenth. It was eleven forty and it continued until

(46:24):
five point thirty in the morning. The sightings that happened
on July twenty six started about eight point fifteen and lasted.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Until about dawn. And so.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
We're talking about hours and hours days that the US
capital was basically the airspace was being impeded by unknowns
or unknown flying objects and we say fighter jets and
exactly exactly, so we certainly tried to intercept the objects.

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We were not successful by any means. And so thousands
of people witnessed these events, and including you know, you're
talking about civilians, you're talking about military personnel. There was extensive,
extensive photographs, There was extensive news coverage.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You know, of the event, and you know, the panic.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
The panic began to set in in the hearts of
the public, and President Truman directed then General Robert B.
Landry to contact the Pentagon on July twenty seventh for
detailed information concerning how that this event spy a spiraling
out of control, and so there was a press conference held.

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It was by many believed to be one of the
most important press conferences held since World War Two, and
the whole point was.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
To lead the eight public concern.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
And so what they did in that press conference UH
Air Force Generals John Sanford and Roger Raimie. They began
to dismiss the sightings as unidentified stars of all things,
you know, radar anomalies, calls by temperature inversions, and so

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you know, here we go once again. The public saw
what they saw, there was even acknowledgment, and then shortly
after it is.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Explained away as nothing but stars in the sky.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
The gas games continue.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's right, the gaslight games continue.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And this would lay the groundwork for the Ultimate Swamp
gas theory in Project Blue Book in Michigan. So yeah,
but the all of these things were very again foundational
important when you talk about, you know, UFO history taking
place again during the Truman administration, very interesting.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah, the seminal event is definitely roswell, and I think
not so much. You know, it's well studied, well known
and all that, But I think the really thing that
kind of goes unspoken a little bit. It goes back
to what you said is because at first, you know
that the first response was honesty. You know, they're being
honest with the dues. You know, they're they're releasing what

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they found. We found in a craft, you know, we
found all this stuff, and very quickly, like much to
your point, the government swoops in and goes, oh no, no, no,
honesty will not be the way of the day. We're
gonna we're gonna hide this stuff. And then again to
your point, that's the kickoff for the approach really even

(49:51):
through today in a lot of ways, and we have
all of these governmental programs. Is this kind of in
the same timeframe as the birth of Majestic twelve, kind
of the behind the scenes study of all this top secret, right,
and this kind of how this all gets going.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
It is.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, you're you're referring to a the ultimate secrecy group,
the og secrecy group of uthology. That you had this
group Majestic twelve or m J twelve. Majestic and Jehovah
is what the letters stands for, and that oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

(50:31):
Majestic Jehovah and the twelve was emblematic of the twelve
tribes of Israel, the twelve Apostles.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Et cetera.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Wow, And so yeah, so these group of twelve individuals,
most of which were in the CIA. They saw themselves
as the as important as some of the popularized biblical
twelve numeric twelve groups in the Bible, such as again

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Israel or the Apostles, and in that they were they
were guiding humanity in cosmic secrets, okay, or keeping us
away from cosmic secrets. And so yeah, m J twelve
was essentially a branch of the CIA, like I said

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to where they would be the keepers of the secrets,
and they would pull the strings. They would decide when
or when they would not disclose what the government has
about UFOs or non human intelligence. There's in fact, memo
after memo stating that even if they are asked directly

(51:47):
by members of Congress, they are to not be.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Transparent and honest and only only when.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
America is attacked or if in when America is attacked
or there is an aggression by a non human intelligence,
they would meet and decide if then they could disclose
what they know. And so this is the original secrecy
group that propagated you know, all the lies throughout the year,

(52:18):
all the years you know that have gone by, and
we still have elements of this group present today. Now
they probably don't go by this name any longer. In fact,
you know, you know, elements such as in the government,
such as Leuel Zondo, who was the director of.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
A TIP at one time. He is now a whistleblower.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
He has a book out called Eminent, And in that book, Kyle,
he describes kind of the modern version of this, at
least one aspect of this. He calls them the Collins Elite,
and he says they have a Christian worldview and that
they believe that the phenomenon is demonic, and so they

(53:04):
are trying to keep that knowledge out of the public domain.
So undoubtedly, you know, Majesse twelve would continue throughout the generations,
president after president after president, and they are truly the
keepers of the secrets. But it all started again in

(53:25):
and around this time that we're talking about the Truman
administration Fdr Truman and Eisenhower.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, you have all these things and it kind of
morphs through time. You have Project Blue Book, you have
Project Grudge, which I believe Grudge was the reverse engineering
you know, secrecy aspect of it. And I want to
dive more into the modern disclosure stuff here in a minute,
because He's fascinating to me, and I want to get
your take on Alisondo. But that was one of the

(53:55):
interesting things that I did read in the book. Again
I was not aware of, was the Collins Group. Because
you you get into this in a pretty good detail
in the book. You know, you have this extremely powerful
group that is Christian theology based, and here they are.
They're operating in secrecy and trying to keep everything away
from the public. But the next thing that kind of
leads us to the next big thing that is on

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the horizon from the timeframe we're talking about is Eisenhower.
Eisenhower is huge because it seems like to me one
from reading the book and two just kind of studying
myself and going through history. He's really the last president
that seems to be really in the know, like deep
in the know. Everybody else is kind of, you know,

(54:39):
in and out, a little bit more kept at a distance.
But you know, Eisenhower's huge because of some of the
supposed things that happened during his administration. So dive into
him if you would and share some of those stories.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Please. Yeah. I love I love Eisenhower.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
He's He's very interesting home where I'm from, he visited
the chicka Lauga Battlefield, not when he was president, but
before he you know, when as he was raising rising
rather in the ranks of the army. So he has
a military background. But there are a couple of legendary accounts,

(55:20):
and I'll say I'm that way regarding Eisenhower his family,
most of his family at least believes these were historical
events where President Eisenhower actually met with if you want
to call them aliens, aliens or non humans on two
separate occasions. And so now we're seeing an advancement of contact. Okay,

(55:48):
we're first we started out talking about Washington and you know,
Rerittenhouse theoretically thinking about this topic. And then the private
musings right of you know, John Adams, and then the
UFO reports, you know, Thomas Jefferson would receive and then
recovering celestial devices from Franklin Donnell Roosevelt, and recovering bodies

(56:16):
from the Truman or the Truman administration. And now here
we are, where do we go next? And so it
seems there is an advancement in contact. Essentially, what happened again,
according to legend, is on February twentieth, nineteen fifty four,

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Eisenhower was supposedly enjoying a quiet vacation in Palm Springs
when he was whisked away for several hours and for.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
A dental appointment quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
For a dental appointment. That's right, of all things, you know,
I got to get that, got to go to the
dentist on my vacation. So instead, allegedly he went to
Edwards Edwards Air Force Base, and it's believed that he
met with extraterrestrial beings, specifically what is dubbed as Nordics. Okay,

(57:13):
Nordics are very human like, and so they're not the
typical gray aliens that most people think of, but they
have blonde hair, usually blue eyes, and they are very
much human. Again, I have never met one that I know,

(57:33):
so we are going based upon encounters people have and
allegations made. So it was said that he met with
these Nordics and they essentially wanted him to denuclear rise
to to disarm, you know, nuclear weapons, or we would

(57:55):
face devastating consequences. But the story goes that Eisenhower did
not agree to denuclearize.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
He was very much a war man and.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Was always thinking in terms of national security, and so
he did not do that. But that is the first meeting.
Now let me just say this. In some circles, some
believe there was only one meeting. In other circles, there
was two meetings. In the book, I flesh out both meetings.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Yeah, I was a second. I had heard of the first,
but not the second, which was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah. Yeah, the second meeting would take place, I believe
a year later. We're talking nineteen fifty four or nineteen
fifty five. And so he was on a hunting trip,
apparently in Georgia, and made another secretive trip to Holloman

(58:56):
Air Force Base in New Mexico, and witness is claimed
that two UFOs were present on the airstrip that day,
and that this time Eisenhower met with the Grays and
not the Nordics. So now we're talking about an alleged
different alien race. These are the typical bulbous heads, large

(59:19):
eyes that are ubiquitous in encounters that people have, and.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
This was a different type meeting.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Allegedly, Eisenhower made an agreement known as the greata Agreement,
where he allowed them to abduct a very minimal amount
of humans basically in exchange for peace. And so this

(59:50):
is where we begin to see if that indeed did
take place, we do see an escalation in abductions really
from his administration moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Again those are the two separate accounts. Some say, oh no,
there's only one account and he agreed to the adductions
in the first account. But it does seem like, at
least from my research, there were two separate alleged accounts,
and they both have.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Some different details.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
So, you know, just think about the implications of that, Kyle,
You know, if that is indeed true, the fact that
in the nineteen fifties the president of the United States
met in secrecy with non human intelligences and discussed human affairs,
I mean, that is mind blowing if that is indeed true.

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And some of his family again to this day, says
that indeed, it is true, this did happen. And so again,
what would the world be like if this was transparent
in the nineteen fifties, There is no telling. But secrecy

(01:01:10):
was again at the top of its game, and so
a lot of this information began to leak out later
on in the nineteen eighties with the Majestic twelve documents.
And so that is how we know about a lot
of these supposed events because the secrets will find a
way to get out and always.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Detail all that in the book. It's pretty fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean you think about it from
put yourself in that man's shoes, and it's like and
it makes a lot of sense too from the aspect
of why. You know, several presidents I think have wanted
to kind of go down the disclosure road and we're
either stopped, we're going to talk about that next, or

(01:01:56):
I think realize that in order to be completely totally
honest and really talk about what was agreed to and
the things that have been done would probably.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Be on shocking for most of us to actually hear to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Confirm that, yes, your brother, your sister, your mother, your father,
you know, your son, your daughter, we allowed them to
abduct them and conduct experiments.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
And you know, we.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Have literally millions of people that have gone missing and
no one knows where they are. You know, we have huge,
huge amounts of missing persons that just never get found.
Nobody ever gets found, you know, none of that, and
you have to scratch your head and wonder how many
of those are exactly due to this, which is kind
of another terrifying thought. But the next thing that kind

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of happens before we get into modern day is the
Kennedy administration. And if there is ever a president that
did everything he could possibly do to make everyone mad
to want to kill him, I think he was the guy.
You know, not only do you have the attacking of
all the secret agencies, you know, all the three letter agencies,

(01:03:06):
and you know, coming right out and saying that he
wanted to you know, splinter the CIA into a million
pieces or allegedly either way, didn't make any moans about it,
went after the mafia that you know, elected him, got
him in office. His dad was in bed with them
for years, and you know, he sticks his brother on
them when they get in office. And then the other

(01:03:28):
thing that kind of never gets talked about, you know,
bea pigs. But the one thing that doesn't get talked
about is the UFO side. And you went into this
in the book, which was also fascinating, and I want
to just turn it over to you to dive into
that a little bit more too, because it may have
been one of the things and maybe may have been
the thing that was the tipping point that ended up
with him dying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
That's that's well said. Monley.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Research has led me to believe Kyle, that it was
definitely one of the things, if not the thing, that
tipped the Domino's to where the c.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Killed JFK.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
And uh, you know all the documentation coming out now,
you know, since Trump has declassified a lot of the
JFK stuff, it has only.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Reinforced what I wrote before that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You know, you have essentially James Jesus Angleton, you know,
who recruited Oswald and kept tabs on him for several
years prior to the assassination, and days before JFK was assassinated,

(01:04:37):
James Jesus Angleton was which was the CIA counter intelligence spymaster.
He lowered the threat level of Oswald, which allowed Oswald
to be in the vicinity of JFK. Now that might
just be as a patsy as Oswald claimed, but nonetheless,

(01:05:02):
it shows that the CIA was directing and pulling the
strings when it comes to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
The death of JFK.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
So let me unpack all of this in how it
all works together, in why it matters. So we're going
to fast forward in time. We're past the Eisenhower administration.
Now we're nineteen sixty one, there was a famous NATO
UFO event where you had essentially some unknown objects. In fact,

(01:05:36):
I think there was about fifty of them that were
detected on radar moving from the Soviet Union towards Europe.
And everyone is freaking out because is this a missal?
What is going on? Are we under attack? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Just mysteriously as these objects appeared, they disappeared over the
Norwegian Sea. And this left JFK with a gut feeling
that we are living in fragile times and if ever
there was a time for transparency saying this isn't us,

(01:06:15):
We're not firing on you. Now is the time right?
And so JFK this was a wake up call for JFK.
All right, So now fast forward to April of nineteen
sixty one. A few months later, the Bay of Pigs incident.
The JFK could not agree on American involvement in this fiasco.

(01:06:36):
JFK did not want to give air support the CIA did.
It was an utter failure, an American failure, and so
this drove a wedge between the CIA and JFK.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
June fourth, nineteen sixty one, a couple months later, jfk
Antennas are up. He knows there's some things going on
I don't agree with inside the executive branch, inside the CIA.
He goes to the Vienna Summit June fourth, nineteen sixty one.
He meets with Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev. Khrushchef tells Kennedy

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things that are happening that he is unaware of in
his own government, one of which he is unaware of
Operation Palladium. Operation Palladium was this secretive operation again by
the CIA, where we would spoof the Soviets radar. We

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were planting false flags, we were making false UFO signals,
if you will, on their radar, and hopes that we
could loll into sleep and send our utube spyplanes into
their airspace and they would not think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Well, this was highly concerning for the President of the
United States that the CIA was doing things that were
so could be detrimental to national security and world peace,
and he had no say in it, and so that
was concerning. Now a few months actually, a few days later,

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twenty four days later, after he returned back from that
Vienna summit, learned about Operation Palladium. Nikita Kruschev. He wrote
a letter to the head of the CIA, Alan Dulles,
June twenty eighth, nineteen sixty one. He wrote a letter
and said that he wants to know and be briefs
on all things pertaining to psychological warfare ie Operation Palladium

(01:08:49):
and m J twelve plans Majestic twelve. The UFO secrecy
group now for decades this this alleged letter was dismissed. However,
we now know that indeed JFK met with Alan Doles

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twice on this date because just a few years ago,
Alan Dols's diary entries and schedule, his calendar was declassified
and indeed he met with him twice on this particular day.
So this in my mind validates the credibility that this

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is a genuine, authentic letter. And the reason that he
wanted to be briefed on Operation Palladium MJ twelve is
because he was forming a relationship with Nikita Khrushchev and
he wanted to have a transparent and ongoing space program

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with the Soviets. Okay, this was Kennedy's ultimate goal and
he wanted to even denuclearize the nations. Both nations, the CIA,
didn't like the sound of either of those things. They
did not want to denuclearize, and they certainly didn't want
to work with the Soviets on some kind of space program.

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And so again he met with Alan Dollas twice on
that day June twenty eighth, nineteen sixty one. Fast forward
a couple of years later, November twelfth, nineteen sixty three,
Alan dolls is Suddenly he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Why is he gone? He's been fired.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Okay, his tension with Kennedy was too much, and he
is gone. He's out of the picture, even though many
believe he still pulled the strings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
After he was fired. The new head of the CIA
is John Mccoone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
President, Kennedy writes a letter to the CIA director John mccoon,
and he wants to know and discuss the knowns and
the unknowns. The unknowns were a term for UFOs back
in that era, and the heading for the letter was
he wants a classification review of all UFO files affecting

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national security. That's pretty significant.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
He wants complete transparency, not only for himself, but undoubtedly
he wanted to be more transparent as a president for
the American people. And so that letter was just a
matter of days before he was assassinated. So what we
see is JFK continuing to push the envelope with the CIA,

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both directors demanding answers about UFOs and what we know
about UFOs now. The spymaster I mentioned earlier, James Jesus Angleton,
the counterintelligence head for several administrations. He eventually moved out

(01:12:09):
of the CIA, and there was an order to burn
documents that was in his secret vault, and so one patriot,
the story goes, pulled a document now known as the
Burned the Burned Memo from the fire. We have a

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copy of that document. It is part of the Majestic
twelve files, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Talk about it in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
But the reason why the burn memo is important is
because the burn Memo.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Is essentially a smoking gun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
It is a letter from I believe it's from say
Director John mccoone in fall of nineteen sixty three that
basically stay to the members of the Majestic twelve group
that Lancer cannot be allowed to look into.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Our matters any longer. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
The reason that's important is because Lancer was the secret
service name for John F. Kennedy and so those are
very condemning statements that they basically wanted to take him out,
that he was to be unlived, if you will, not

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allowed to continue because he was pressing them on what
they were holding secret regarding UFOs. And so that document
is very very condemning. And so bring it back full
picture here, full circle again, the declassification of the files

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pertaining to President Kennedy really underline that there was a
fact pattern that is criminal, and the fact patterns basically
points to the fact that the CIA killed JFK and
most likely because of what he wanted to know about UFOs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yeah, there's just so many things when you dig into
that story, and you did a great job of outlining
you know, several of them, but you just you have
two competing factions. And unfortunately, what had happened by this
particular point is the clandestin agencies had been allowed to
run wild, and so they had immense power in the

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back channels and had really developed a really strong infrastructure
over the last twenty plus years. Because you know, the
CIA was birthed after World War Two, but it goes
back to you know, even during the war and a
little bit before the war. By its previous known name,
and so this has been going on for a while,
so it's really probably closer to third years. And yeah,

(01:15:03):
you can just you can just see the competing viewpoints
here of honesty and denuclearization and treating Russia, trying to
de escalate things with Russian instead of treating them like
an enemy. Because everything the CIA wanted to do and
we could read this, we have all the documents that
have been declassified talk about Operation North North Woods. I
believe it is where they wanted to do false flag

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you know, airline hijacks and all kinds of stuff to
make it look like it was Cuba so we could
wipe out communism because that's the whole mission, right is
to stamp out communism across the world before it ever
takes root, hence Vietnam. And at the heart of evil
communism is Russia. So he's doing all these things and
wanting to work with the Russians and they're just they're
not going to have it. So you just see everything
culminate and the UFO aspect is just one of those

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massive things. I'm sure that you know was the smoking
gun or the final straw, but you know, seemed like
a lot of things have been set in place to,
you know, take him out of the equation, but undoubtedly
that didn't help any which makes sense too for his brother.
You know, you have Bobby that comes along, he's going
to be president. It looks like, for all intents and purposes,

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that's going to happen. He's going to continue the same
things that his brother wanted to do. So we can't
even we're not even to let that even begin to happen.
So they take him out. And then I think Connor
Martin Luther King was just like, well, we've gotten used
to it now, why don't we just get rid of
all of our problems at one one time? It kind
of take came out as well. But it's really fascinating, man,
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
The next time, go ahead, Yeah, and I'll say this too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
You know, you had Nixon, who was pretty much on
the phone with the CIA when he was president.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Acknowledging that he knows what happened to JFK. And but
he himself.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Was a little nervous and he was scared about pushing
the envelope on this because even though there's things in
the book I detail that are pretty fascinating, but uh,
there was a fear I think that that crept in
and once the deep state got so locked in and

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the secrecy was so deep, it was it's really hard
to penetrate, you know, because you have a revolving door
of presidents.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Every several years, four years at least, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
They don't you know, the keepers of the secrets can
stay in place there, their strategy can stay in place,
and they can just wait out, you know. Curious presidents.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah, they just they just look at the this particular point.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
They look at the president, you know, and the members
of Congress and the members of the Senate as civilians
and cilians are not going to have access to these things.
It's interesting though, because you do kind of see a
little bit of variation throughout the years of some people
maybe are given a little bit more information than others.
But one of the things that seems to get you
pretty much a line drawn through your name right out

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of the gate, is if you are interested at all
and you're really pushing for it, you are not going
to get it. And that kind of takes us through
the next few years. And Nixon is really the last one,
it seems like to me that actually had maybe some
insider information, But that makes a lot of sense too,
because he was pretty cozy with the CIA and he
had a kind of hold Russia over the fire tactic,

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which gets into another insanely fascinating story. That's a whole
nother show that I've actually done before, which is Project Azorian,
where they, you know, Russia tried to New Kawai and
blame it on China. And then, like I said, that's
a whole nother thing. But you know, they run this
secret CIA operation called Project Azorian which everybody can go
read about that too, to go and uncover a submarine

(01:18:49):
from the bottom of the ocean to basically blackmail the Russians.
So it's it's crazy. But you know, Carter was fascinated
by UFOs. They wouldn't give him anything. Clinton was fascinated
by UFOs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
They wouldn't really give him anything.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Reagan kind of talks about some things here and there
and kind of makes an interesting statement at one of
the I want to say it was NATO, I think
was one of the NATO summits.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Yeah, he actually he made that statement on several occasions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Yeah, and he had had encounter to in an aircraft.
You know, he was flying places and had seen things.
Obama was interested, and all of them just basically get
the door slammed in their face, like you are not
going to get anything. You can forget about it. The
next interesting one and where we see the worm really
start to turn and things really start to change, is Trump,

(01:19:42):
which is crazy because you would think that he would
be another one that would just have the line kind
of drawn through his name. But actually, some of the
things that we've kind of learned about this or what
we think may have happened based on some of the
rumblings is kind of fascinating. So dive into his first administration.
We'll kind of start there if you would.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, in that election, you had Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton it seems like she
was going to be the disclosure president. You know, Bill
Clinton had in John Podesta, you know, they had really

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you know, pushed for UFO transparency and the knowledge getting
out there. So many people thought that she would be
the disclosure president. Ultimately she didn't win, and then you know,
Trump gets in the White House. There's a couple of
things that you know, Trump said in several interviews early

(01:20:43):
on he was interviewed by uh Don.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Junior, I believe, who is very.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Interested in UFO. This is his son, Donald Trump Junior
and Eric Trump as well, and he basically said, are
you going to tell us what happened to Roswell?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
And Trump says, well, in the classic way, you know,
it's very interesting. What I know about Roswell is very interesting.
I can't tell you everything, but it's very interesting, right,
very repetitive.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah, let me let me just break that down for everybody.
There's a UFO that crashed. We got a hold of it,
and we got a hold of bodies. We pretty much summarizes.
That's probably There may be a few other little pro
fine points in there that maybe we don't know, but
that's pretty much pretty much it anyway, Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
So you know, not a ton came out, you know,
during the first administration. I think COVID probably derailed. If
there were any major plans for transparency, it really took
the precedence and and so not a lot happened, even
though one thing I do in the book is I
talk about the space agendas of various presidents and how

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that may or may not have to do with the
knowledge you know, of other entities engaging with planet Earth.
But what really I think acceleerate the whole disclosure movement
was the the twenty seventeen uh you know, bombshell New
York Times article by Leslie King and rolth Blumenthal Ralph

(01:22:11):
Loomenthal rather about the secret government programs. You know, a
tip which we now know is, you know, the Advanced
Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which was headed up by Leuel Zondo.
You know, this was under the the umbrella of OSAP,

(01:22:33):
which was another bigger, you know, UFO studies program, and
they were they would study places like you know, Skinwalker Ranch,
and I want to say activity, Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
I want to say as APP was actually some of
the some of the basically using the information for weapons advancement.
Isn't that kind of what some of that some of
that was for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
It was, Yeah, yeah, it was Advanced Weapons Systems Application.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Or something.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I don't know, it's not something something, but but yeah,
but they they were, you know, definitely interested in in UFOs.
And one thing leuell Is on have talked about is
a a program that they that they wanted to uh
name slips my mind, but essentially they wanted to bate
UFOs in the in the ocean, midle of the ocean

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with aircraft carriers that had a large payload of nuclear material,
and they wanted to bait them and shoot them out
of the sky. So yeah, that was recently declassified that program.
That aspect of the program never actually happened, allegedly, but but.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Yeah, there was for the purposes for the purposes of recovery.
I assume that's what they wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for the purposes of recovery, reverse engineering.
And so I said all that to say that in
and around that time when Trump comes on the scene,
there is a lot of disclosure peripheral to him making statements,
and so that brings it to modern day.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
You know what has happened with Donald Trump. Well you
have mister Esshed I believe his name was. He was
essentially the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Israeli guru for space, a very well respected individual that
came out in the Jerusalem Times, I believe a number
of years ago and said that, oh yeah, Trump knows
about the non humans, he knows about what he called
the galactic Federation, and that Trump was on the verge

(01:24:46):
of disclosing this information to the public, and he was
persuaded to put it back in the box and to
not move forward, that we were not ready for such
a revelation. And so that was a bomb shell allegation
when it came out. And the reason is because this

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is not some nutcase. This is some highly respected, long
tenured scientist who is world renowned and well respected that
was making these allegations. You know, that brings us to
now present day and the push for disclosure of what
is happening now. It's interesting when Trump second term, I

(01:25:32):
was very much paying attention to who he would put
in his cabinet, and it seems like that he was
putting in people in his cabinet that were friendly to
the UFO topic, at least on the public facing of it.
You know, you have individuals such as Marco Rubio, who
is undoubtedly read in to much of the UFO secrecy

(01:25:58):
that is in our government. He is high up in
the Trump administration. You have j D Vance, who just
a few weeks ago made a very provocative statement about
UFOs and he said, quote, I am obsessed with UFOs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Well that's that's pretty blatant.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
That's pretty blatant.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
There is to my knowledge in my historical review, there's
never been a president or vice president to say anything
that blatant, so obviously he is friendly to the topic.
You have Chelsea Gabbard who was interviewed also several days ago,

(01:26:45):
and she said that she is not convinced that the
drone fiasco that happened in New Jersey were indeed drones.
That was interesting. She is the O d and I,
Office of Director of National Intelligence. She is pretty much
in charge of all of national intelligence, and so she

(01:27:06):
is one that has been disclosing information left and right,
not necessarily about UFOs, but about other things that are
not things that you would normally disclose, things that hurt
the credibility of the American government.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
So she is one to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
You have, you know, other elements inside Washington right now
that are pushing for UFO disclosure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
In the House, you have a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
You know, basically a Senate Select Committee, individuals such as
Ana Polina Luna, who has declared she will get to
the bottom of the UAP phenomenon. A few days ago,
she went on the Joe Rogan Experience and talked extensively
about how she believes, based on the evidence she has

(01:27:59):
seen that these are not aliens from other planets, but
these are inter dimensional beings.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
She even sided and quoted from the Book of Enoch.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
So, yeah, she is very knowledgeable, and watch that closely.
She is like a dog on a bone. She is
really tracking this topic very very closely. So there's there's
a lot of people, and those are not everyone. Those
are just a sample of people inside the government that

(01:28:31):
are pushing for a disclosure.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Yeah, I looked it up here just as I was
curious because I thought I thought maybe he was, but
Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, was not only a senior
member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, but he was
actually at one point vice chair of the Select Committee
on Intelligence. Now, again, you know, I think that they
are told certain things. I don't know that they necessarily

(01:28:52):
know everything, but it seems like that they are informed
of certain things that are going on. So it's just
interesting that to your point of him picking people for
the cabinet that are very pro Now, the one you
were just talking about that was on Rogan does she
hasn't had any ties to the Collins Group at all,
that Christian sect that seems to be kind of underpinning
a lot of this. Do you know of that at all?

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I don't think she does. She hasn't made a statement.
In fact, she she is pushing for disclosure. The Collins
elite are trying not to have disclosure. So it doesn't
seem like she's, you know, a part of that agenda
at all. She she kind of got looped into this
early on, when there was a couple of hearings. Early on,

(01:29:35):
you had Knoxville Congressman what's his name, tim.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Oh, Yeah, I can't think of his last name.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
But he's such a great interview to watch if you
ever had a chance to watch him. But he is
over the Farragut, Tennessee area here. His name slept on
mine for some reason. But yeah, he was one of
the early ones that was really pushing for this. You
had then Mat Gates, Yeah, timber Chat, that's right, timber Chet, congressman.

(01:30:11):
And then you had Matt Gates who is no longer
in Congress, but he and I believe it was Nancy
Mace went to a military facility and demanded to see
evidence of UFOs and they were stonewalled, and they pressed

(01:30:35):
them to the point where they did indeed show them
video and photo evidence recorded UFOs, and they've talked about
that at length, and so, yeah, we find ourselves in
unusual times where people want transparency, and there are some

(01:30:55):
people in our government that also want transparency. But I
will say this, I don't know how much longer they
can keep the secrets. It would not surprise me if
they put it back in the box for a few
more years, that would not shock me. I heard a

(01:31:18):
quote I don't know who said this, maybe George Napp
or Ross Coulthard or somebody else said this, but basically
that disclosure is impossible and disclosure is inevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
And I believe that is really.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
At the heart of the issue, the fact that the
keepers of the secrets are always three or four steps ahead.
But at the same time, I mean, how long can
you really put it back in the box? You know,
how long can you really keep the secrets from a
world that is so well connected in camera systems and
technology AI.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I mean, it just doesn't seem feasible to do that. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
One reason that they would not keep it secret any longer,
I believe is because they are worried. And this is
a real worry that other countries such as China or
Russia are beating us in the reverse engineering game, and
the first country to crack the code, to really crack

(01:32:29):
the technology, wins the game. I mean, you're talking about
things that defy the law of physics. And so I
think what the major powers of this world are doing
is they are all preparing for the next war and
they want to have an airspace superiority over the other countries.

(01:32:51):
And so there is a space race, if you will,
to reverse engineer back engineer these celestial devices like are
alluded to and America for many years. Because we chose
the secrecy path and we siloed everything, we really haven't

(01:33:12):
gotten as far as other countries, it's reported. And so
our approach may change the way that we try to
use the technology reverse engineer. The technology may change to
the point that we are now inviting secular scientists in
to study and help us understand the technology to catch

(01:33:36):
up to the Russians or catch up to the Chinese.
And in fact, there have been some whispers even from
Trump's technology advisor, that he said, quote, we can now
obliterate time and space. So what does that mean? You know, well,

(01:33:57):
it sounds like, you know, we have technology.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
That is otherworldly. I mean, that's kind of what it
sounds like to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
So I'm sure that in all the investigation I've done
into this topic, there are things that I could not
even imagine because they have not leaked out in the
public domain.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
There are probably.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Advances well beyond what we may even believe that have
taken place in our government and also abroad.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Yeah, there's all kinds of things, you know, like we've
been messing with time and done times. You know, we
have declassified CIA files on how we've been monkeying with
time now for decades, and it's fascinating doing remote viewing,
and there's a lot of things out there that we
actually have created Tesseract devices to be able to do
stuff and it's insane. But as far as not being

(01:34:53):
as far as head or along as other countries, it's fascinating.
It reminds me of kind of an anecdotal story with
Bob Lazar, who's a fascinating study. If you want to
really dive into some crazy story, pick up his book Dreamland,
which I would highly recommend anybody to read. But he
shares a story in there about you know, here he

(01:35:13):
is reverse engineering these craft and they were actually partnering
with Russian scientists and they were all working on this
together out in Nevada. And then one of the teams,
because they're all very compartmentalized for secrecy, one of the
teams made a major breakthrough and they literally back to
fall the Russians and send them back home. You know,
it's like, yeah, we're not going to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Share our toys with you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
They actually get off, you go, and so it's just
kind of an interesting and total story. I want to
get into, you know, the the back part of the
book for our last bit of time together, which is
really I think, you know, okay, what does all this
mean from a Christian worldview perspective?

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
But before we go there, one last thing I want
to ask you on this topic before we kind of
dive into that aspect of it is Project Bluebeam. So
Project Bluebeam is allegedly this this whole disclosure process right
that they are working in slowly like a frog and
boiling water, working us up for eventual disclosure. What do

(01:36:08):
you know of that and how does that all kind
of tie into this? Do you believe that and do
you believe that people like Alesando are part of that
where it seems like they're whistleblowers, but maybe they've actually
been tabbed for their portion of the disclosure project.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Yeah, and if that's the case, I don't blame them.
They're simply doing their job, yeah, you know, working for
the American government, and that makes sense. There has been
steering historically with a UFO topic, whether it be with
filmmakers or politicians, and so that would be in line
with what is you know, taking place historically. But yeah,

(01:36:52):
project Bluebeam, I don't I don't really go a lot
into that in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
My understanding of that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Is essentially it was to fake an alien invasion.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
I mean that essentially is at the heart of Project.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Bluebeam, and so we see whispers of that now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
You know. Av Lobe has been on television every day
for the past several weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
He's a Harvard astrophysicist, written several books Extraterrestrial Interstellar and
essentially there is an object that is approaching Earth twice
the speed of our fastest rockets, and it is called

(01:37:38):
three Eye Atlas. I believe that's the title of it,
Three Eye Atlas.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Lobe says that he has made a classification for approaching
objects from one to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
He calls it the Lobe scale, and one is prosaic, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
A rock and space, and then would be extraterrestrial or technological.
And he rates this on the Love scale at about
a four currently. And so that has got the attention
of a lot of people, you know. But it ties
back into this thought of would our government try to
fake an alien invasion? And I could I could see

(01:38:22):
that in my research, I came across some very disturbing
things about my labs military abductions to where our own
government is basically abducting people around the world that have enhanced.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Abilities for remote viewing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
For example, some recent whistleblowers have actually come out and
attested to this. That stumbled upon some of these sites
overseas in the jungle, and I can't remember his name,
but he basically says that they were I think octagon
shape craft. They were hovering just above the ground and

(01:39:07):
inside there were children. And so later on he learned
from a man by the name of Jake Barber who
is working for SkyWatch right now. SkyWatch is a group
that is trying to classify UFOs and basically get one

(01:39:31):
to land and study them. But Jake Barber was interviewed
by Ross Coltart on News Nation, and he was a
part of the retrieval program. He retrieved eggs alien eggs,
if you will, craft that are egg shaped, and he

(01:39:52):
attested to this my lab experience that people have because
he knows it exists where they are abducting people in
ar vs or alien reproduction vehicles and using them for
their abilities and honing in their psychic abilities, if you will,

(01:40:13):
which is another topic in and of itself, but.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Many believe it's connected to the UFO topic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
But essentially, yeah, I would not be shocked if our
government has faked alien invasions and are planning to fake
alien invasions, even on a local scale or even on
a global scale. So I believe that's a real possibility.
And Project Bluebem is many believe kind of the origin

(01:40:45):
of that concept.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Yeah, yeah, the technology is Therefore, you know, we see
the dangers of AI as far as what it can
do from a creation perspective, and you know how it
can really twist the realities of someone seeing things and
hearing things.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
It's getting more and more convincing every day. It's kind
of terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
While it could be a useful tool like any tool
in the hands of someone who wants to use it
for something evil, as incredible disastrous powers at the ready.
So you know, one of the things that you, like
I said, you get into in the end of the book,
and where I want to go now with our last
bit of time together. And this is really the probably
the most important part of all of this is what
does this mean from a Christian worldview perspective and how

(01:41:27):
should we view all of this?

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
You know, all of.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
These are these extraterrestrials from another planet or are they
something else? And it's really interesting to me, and I
will just share my own thoughts and feelings on this
as kind of a launching point. When I started doing
this show two years ago, I was probably in the
camp that these were actual extraterrestrial beings from another planet.
And ever since I started doing this show and having

(01:41:50):
all of these conversations with various different people in their
different fields, and being at the intersection point of all
this and studying more of scripture and learning more and
having God reveal more to me, undoubtedly in my mind,
these are not extraterrestrial beings. They're not from another world.
I think the Anna Paulina Luna Camp is dead on.

(01:42:11):
I think she nailed it. These are interdimensional beings and
I think that they are actually demons. So that's my stance,
but I want to open it up to you to
kind of share your viewpoints too, and some of the
things that you talk about in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Yeah, I share that same conclusion. I have a backdrop.
I have two previous books. You can see them behind
me here, But I studied the supernatural aspect of scripture
in depth, and I had that backdrop coming into this
UFO topic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
I, like you believe that what we're dealing with are
deceptive entities, demons if you will demonic the powers of darkness,
principalities and powers, fallen angels, the watchers, however you want
to describe these beings. That is in my mind what
we were dealing with. And the section I talk about abductions,

(01:43:13):
for me, that was really pretty eye opening. The fact
that there have been various statisticians over the years, John Mac,
you know, legendary John Mack, who was a psychologist who
study this phenomenon and others have followed in his footsteps, and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Who is not a UFO guy. He was not just
I think that actually lends a ton of credibility to
his research, because you don't have someone coming in with
a set paradigm and it's just looking at the statistics
and facts for what they are exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Yeah, he was not a believer, and later on he
wrote a book I think entitled Believer. But essentially they
catalog the traumatic experiences both psychologically, physically emotionally that people
that are taking allegedly experienced, and I talk about that

(01:44:12):
in depth in the book. And so that and for
many other reasons, it screams.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Demonic to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
It just oozes with this is powers of darkness stuff,
and quite honestly, it lines up with eschatology, It lines
up with the end of time, the Book of Revelation,
the four demonic Equestrians, the writers on the various color
forses in the Book of Revelation, which in Get the Gods,
I talked about how these are for Babylonian deities and

(01:44:42):
why that's the case.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
And so I believe that we're experiencing this now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
We're talking about it now because this was prophetic in
that there would be an escalation of activity in the
end of times. We know in the last days we
have been for two thousand years, and in my mind,
the powers of darkness are right on time. They're doing
exactly what the profits said they would do. And so

(01:45:12):
I believe that the disclosure movement is definitely part of
that reality that the Bible scripture is pointing us to
that says be ready, you know, many will be deceived.
You know, the deception will be prevalent, it will be global,
it'll be worldwide. And in my mind, I'm like, yeah,

(01:45:36):
in my mind, I'm like, what could be so transformational
that it causes believers all over the globe to abandon
their faith simultaneously. You know, it's not a war. War
is usually bring people closer to God. It's not a
pandemic now that closed churches, but most people still have

(01:45:59):
their faith right So, you know, this topic is so
ontologically shocking that many people will come to the conclusion that, hey,
our government says we're not alone and that this galaxy
is teeming with intelligent life, and my Bible says nothing

(01:46:22):
about that. Does that mean it's all bunk? Does that
mean it's not true?

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
And church leaders are going to be caught flat footed.
They're not going to know how to deal with it
how to answer it. There's another theory out there that
these are future humans, the extra tempestrial model, which essentially
says that these entities have evolved over the next million

(01:46:49):
years in the future, and that they are we have
gray skin, bulbous heads, black eyes, frail bodies, and that
it is a natural process of evolution. The Bible doesn't
teach macro evolution. It teaches creation. And the problem with

(01:47:10):
a million years from now is if that if that's true,
then the end of time didn't occur, then eschatology didn't happen.
Then it was all a lie. And so there's a
lot of these theories that can threaten people's faith.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Is what I'm trying to share today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
That if we are not well versed and ready, we
could be among the deceived. So that is why I
wrote the book and I hope it helps.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It's when you look at a
lot of the interactions. I mean, first of all, the
timeline for all of the abductions, because much to your point,
I think that was the swing for me because I'm
looking at these things from through the lens of malevolency,
and there's undoubtedly the conversations that I've had, and the
things that I've read malevolent, clear malevolent intent behind these

(01:48:04):
abductions and these interactions with people. So when you figure
that into the equation, it is not of God. If
it's malevolent, it's not of God. And with that, so
if you have a being, race of beings that's from
another planet that's doing this, then they too have experienced

(01:48:24):
some kind of I would think fall from creation. So
either way, you come back to the fact that these
are not good creatures from another planet, right, They're just
not exactly And you have all of these stories of
breeding programs that have been occurred, and you kind of
had alluded to this a moment ago where there seems

(01:48:46):
to be a concerted effort to create hybrid beings, which
is a time old tactic of Satan. When we go
back and we read some of the extra biblical texts
like the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees
that are found in kumer On, they're safe to consume
and you get more of the story back in Genesis.
And one of the things that we can clearly see

(01:49:07):
through that process is genetic manipulation, the attempt to pollute mankind.
We have a genetic war that it begins right in
Genesis three. I mean, that's exactly what's happening there. So
this is just tentacles from that event stretching throughout time
in the enemy's attempt to pollute us. And Christ himself said,

(01:49:28):
you know, if he didn't cut the time short, there
would be no one left. You know, we would be
so genetically destroyed that there wouldn't be any humans left
toward you know, for him to come back. And actually,
you know claim so, I'm very much I was. I
was happy to see. I was curious where you were
going to go, and I kind of had an inkling
that's where you were going to go, kind of at
the end of the book after you talk about all this.

(01:49:51):
But I was happy to see that's where you went,
because I think that's really important for Christians to get
on board with what these things really are. And you know,
another thing too, is we have a lot of our
brothers and sisters in Christ who are trying to summon
these things and play with them, and they really shouldn't
touch that with a ten foot poll man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
It is not good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
So please share your thoughts on that. I've gone on
long enough.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I think that's part of the deception coming out of
groups such as Skywatcher. You know, doctor Greer's CE five
program basically a model for contact, how to do that,
how to initiate that, And that is the narrative being pushed.
I believe in some circles is that these are at

(01:50:41):
least benevolent and we should reach out to them. We
owe it to ourselves to to reach out to them
and the heavens and invite them into our life. And
if you just go back and read the Old Testament,
you see how dangerous that was, you know, ya always
Israel's God was continually warning them about the the necromancers

(01:51:07):
and uh inviting these spirits and these demons into their life.
And and that's why the first two commandments and the
Tea commandments.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Best people do to that, you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Know, don't don't mess with these entities, don't don't get
involved with them. And so now we we see that
history is repeating itself.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Here in the modernity.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
You know, we are finding ways to make contact once
again and be deceived all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
So if you are listening, and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
You are you believe in Jesus, you know, do not
by any means, you know, try to make contact.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
With any of these protocols. You know, just just don't
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Amen. Yeah, and that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
I mean, when you go back and you look at
the history of the Old Testament, that you made a
great point, you know, the Assyrian destruction of the Northern tribes.
I mean, the fact that the fact that we had
a split after Solomon and the Old Testament of Northern
and Southern kingdoms was because at the end of his life,
Solomon turned to necromancy, into idle worship, into worshiping all

(01:52:17):
of these other entities that he knew he shouldn't be
getting into. And so we have the fractioning of the kingdoms.
But you know, the warning of the prophets over and
over and over again is to not worship this stuff
and not interact with this stuff. And the people don't listen.
So we have the Northern Kingdom and get wiped out
by the Assyrians, and then we have the Southern Kingdom
up getting you know, wiped out by the Babylonians and
taken into exile. And you know, it's just echoes throughout

(01:52:41):
time of the warning that has been laid out for us.
Over and over and over again throughout the entire Bible
of staying away from this stuff. So yeah, this was
a great talk man. I really appreciate you you coming
on and spending time with me. And if you guys
have enjoyed this talk with Tyler, definitely want to pick
up his book, The Liberty Code. You can actually click
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(01:53:02):
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all the links to not only this book, but also
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