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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Worker Power Hour with Randy Corrigan, a
brand new show about labor and worker issues. The host
of the show is Randy Corrigan, Secretary Treasurer and Principal
Office and Leader of Teamsters nineteen thirty two, one of
the largest public sector labor unions on the West Coast,
representing workers in government and non sworn law enforcement personnel.
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Randy Corgan is a thirty year Teamster who first became
involved in the labor movement by volunteering his time as
an organizer with the Teamsters Union at the age of
twenty one. Since then, he's helped thousands organize, mobilize, and
achieve bargaining rights. He accomplished this by spending countless hours
with brave men and women all over Southern California in
their living rooms on the picket line to bring workers
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towards victory. This is the Worker Power Hour, and now
here's the host of the show, Randy Corrigan.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome back everybody, Corgan and the Work of Power our
KCAA ten fifty AM, one oh six point five FM
and the Teamsters nineteen thirty two broadcast network Aaron Live
from San Bernardino. Good to have everybody back, another show,
another one in the books from last week. Longtime organizer,
first time radio host. Here at your at your beck
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and call if you want to call in Robert, what's
the call in number? Everybody. I don't actually have the
call in numbers up anymore, and I don't have a memorize.
So this is what happens when you have a new
studio right now. No, they're not listed there, No big deal,
I got it. It's a cool thing about having your
own show. I guess you can just do what you want.
You're not you're not held to anybody else's I.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Guess standards like you're going to do it any other way.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, that's a good point. So Robert is telling me
that he actually texts me. Yeah, nine O nine three
eight three, one thousand and again I got anoder. Ear
somebody's listening in live. We'll get to those shout outs
here in a minute. But yeah, good to see and
hear everybody back again. Glad to see that our listenership
continues to grow. We have a full list of guests today.
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I'm excited to introduce a lot of these guests. We'll
get to them in a few but I just a
quick recap from last week. From the May fourteenth show,
we were joined by Angel Rodriguez from Litwell Signs as
our TA partner. He talked about the custom wraps that
they do. He talked about all the cool stuff, especially
that I guess that Falcons truck that they did, and
that apparently lately there's been a rush of ladies coming
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in in their cars and they getting their cars wrapped
in pink, and that has been something interesting for the
boyfriends or husbands when they're with them, because apparently they
don't like to drive around a pink car. Me I'm colorblind,
I can care less. So if you want to wrap
my wife wants to wrap my car pink, I probably
won't know for a couple of weeks. Anyway. Aside from
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that man, he did a really good job of explaining
their business, what they're doing up in the High Desert.
They're located up in Victorville, but they're doing business now
all over southern California, including Southern Vegas in South Nevada,
which in Las Vegas. So thanks for coming on. If
you're listening, hopefully you're listening in as a listener yourself,
and you've got your team participating and we're actually going
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to challenge them to do some really cool artwork for
us on some things, and they've come up with some
pretty cool stuff that we were talking about offline and
looking forward to seeing some of their artwork. We also
had Angela Romero on and she is a Utah State
legislature from the Utah State Legislature, and she talked about
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this incredible movement over two hundred and fifty thousand signatures
that they got in a petition to get to get
HB two sixty seven repealed by way of a referendum.
And Man she I was only planning on having her
on for about twenty minutes, she ended up carrying the
show the entire second half, almost an entire hour, and
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really talked about what they were doing on the ground
and how they're put pushing back on the attack of
collect uncollective bargaining, how workers came together regardless of their
partisan affiliation, and everybody kind of realized in Utah that
this was a time to stand up make something happen.
And Angela did a phenomenal job of really explaining, you
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know that some of the technical difficulties of you know,
kind of you know, laying out something of that size
and also making sure that everybody's kind of on the
same page, you know, fighting it and working together to
knock on doors. Clearly they knocked on hundreds of thousands
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of doors in a very short period of time. They
did that in a thirty day window. So talking about
getting out and ripping it and making it happen, just
great job. Angela really appreciate her coming on and she
was very exciting to listen to and did a good
job of articulating the story and what's going on. And
obviously we have to pay attention to what's going on
in Utah and we have to make sure that we're
we're up to speed on how workers rights being attacked
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in that state and how people are what citizens in
the constituents are doing to make sure that that doesn't stand,
that those things don't stand up, that Hr. Two sixty
seven doesn't stay as law. And when you can get
out and get ten percent of the population to sign
a petition, because there's two point five million people that
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live in Utah and you can get ten percent to
sign something to get it on the ballot, I think
they're in the driver's seat to make something happen there
that's just incredible, and hopefully we'll be up there helping
them out when that really gets flowing and they're going
to need help knocking on doors and getting labor's vote out.
So again, Angel did a great job. The next part
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of the show is our live shoutouts. I always like
to give our live shoutouts, and just don't forget to
download the KSEA app in the Apple Store or the
Google play Store, and you can also reach our show
by emailing us at Radio Show at Team nineteen thirty
two dot org. As far as a live shoutouts, I
got a long list today and that list starts with
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Bonnie Perez at AIRMC Materials Management, Sandy Cabrera AIRMC x ray,
Christina Montoya from the City of Asperia, Warren Pennington from
Desert Water Agency, Ben Warzol from the San Bridino Fire District,
Kendra Davis from the Sheriff's Nursing Department, Lisa Tran from
the Sheriff's Nursing Department, Hally Stags from the Public Defender's Office,
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Claudia Herrera from Public Health, Anthony Lecerro from Vector Control.
We also have Emil Sarte Sarte from AIRMC HIM Department,
Pamela Lindsay from AIRMC Epic, Lisa Vasquez from AIRMC Rehab,
Charmain Cole from Register of Voters and by the way,
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Register of Voters shout out to you, You guys just
do an excellent job whenever there's an election cycle. You're
unsung he in those times, and you know, most people
don't realize how difficult it is to manage an election
while it's happening and handling the the the ballots, making
sure the ballots, you know, the ballots get out, make
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sure they come in, make sure that the count goes right.
A lot of those people are also volunteers, and you know,
so again, thanks, thanks so much for the work that
you do in that space when it comes to the
Register of Voters. Olivia Cabrera from AARMC, Ophelia Real Rodriguez
at oa's at the West Side Clinic, Amanda Montoya from AARMC,
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Deborah White, a retiree from RMC. We also have Krystal
Hunter from a r MC, A lot of RMC listening
in this is awesome, Jenny Hernandez from Public Health, Veronica
Stewart and Ruth Perez from AARMC Patient Reception Services, Trisha
Flores and Crystal Olds from ral To Tad, John Kuteris,
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John Gomboa, Stephanie Hancock, Natalie Gamal Gammel, I think Kathy
Miller all from San Bardino County Superintendent of Schools, Valerie
Madrigil from Behavioral excuse me from Bear Valley Hospital. Rebecca
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Romero also and both of them are on the bargaining
team up there at the hospital and we're currently in
bargaining right now. Katie Thompson and Rebecca Taylor from the
City of sam Mardino. We have Connie Botini from Libraries,
Kirk Garrison and Susan Loftis from Sheriffson. A lot of
you I saw last night at the membership meeting. Thanks
for coming to the meeting. Also appreciate you listening live
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the very next day. Mike Clotaire from from Bear Valley Hospital,
a bargaining team. Also Sandra Reyes from the Assessor's office
and Lori Ryan listening in. And you know, I haven't
heard much from Lorie lately about about our music.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I got a thumbs up today. Oh okay, we'll find it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What's going on, Laurie does she does she not like
our music anymore? Is she just not listening in?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I thought she'd give us.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then I also, I'm getting this new emoji where
it's just an ear, So I have an ear listening
in live from all the way from Arizona. So Ryan Frankin,
thank you very much for giving me an ear. Appreciate that.
That's a fun one. I'm probably gonna start getting more
ears now. It means you're listening. I got you. And
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so some fun facts want to share. That's the next
part of the show. The first job I want to
highlight is our Bear Valley Community Hospital jobs. The reason
why we're pointing this out is they have just entered
bargaining and they're going to be working through that over
the next couple of months. And and teamsters at Bear
Valley Community Hospital are radiology technicians, radiology technologists, ultrasound technologists,
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respiratory therapist, phlebottomists, lab assistance the er techs, nursing staffing coordinators,
and patient access representatives and admission clerks. We have all
those classifications up there at Bear Valley Community Hospital. Anybody
is aware of the big Bear sort of area like
that is the one hospital on that side of the mountain.
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There's also a hospital over on the Arrowhead side, but
typically people don't go to one side or the other.
They kind of stay in their community, and so anybody
that lives up in the mountain community is up there,
at least on the Big Bear side. Go to Bear
Valley Hospital and you'd be surprised if you didn't know
already that they are teamsters. We represent clearly a number
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of those classifications up there, and we really appreciate the
work that they do in radiology and ultrasound and respiratory
and the phlebottomists and lab text. It just goes to
show how diverse we are as an organization and how
important it is for us to always think a teamster
and recognize that that being a teamster does a lot
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more for you than just getting your goods delivered to
your doorstep by the UPS director. I know that's the
one that people typically recognize us for, but clearly, especially
here at nineteen thirty two, we represent We represent hundreds
and hundreds of other types of jobs, professional jobs and
classifications through the system. The other news fun facts I
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want to point out is sag After and Nickelodeon reach
a tentative agreement on an animation contract. I think this
is pretty cool. Nickelodeon has agreed to a common sense
AI protection you know, clause for voice actors and animated
shows like The Patrick Star Show and Dora the Explorer.
I mean, I remember all these from all the kids
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right watching all these shows, and I guess now, when
you think of what AI can do, you obviously need
some protections for those actors their voices and making sure
that these things, you know, they don't just eliminate those
actors' jobs with a recording of everything that they say.
And according to the Performers Union at SAG after you know,
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they're they're they're very happy about the tentative agreement, and
the union announced on Wednesday that it had reached at
tentative deal with Nickelodeon over the voice acting and adamated
programs for Basic Cable and Paramount Plus, with covered projects
like rug Rats and Loudhouse and Camp Corral as well
as Rock Paper Scissors. The three year provisional contract also
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brings some rate increases and new premiums and faster payment
for a lot of the issues which they have, so uh,
congratulations to them. It's great to see that they are
are are voting on that contract, because obviously, once there's
a tentative agreement, the next step is to make sure
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that the membership votes and accepts that contract. I'm assuming
they will. Typically when it's a recommended offer, both sides
are happy it's typically going to pass. So with that,
normally I go into a lot of news. I'm not
going to do that. I've got a full show with
lots of guests stacked up here, and I want to
get to our first one, which is our Teams to
Advantage Partner, and you know, our Team's Advantage program, which
is what I'm most One of the programs I'm most
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proud about is we have more than a thousand small
businesses for those of you who don't know, connected to
our network, and we have an app that we have
them on the app and we do push notifications. We
make sure we advertise on our website, and we advertise
when we send out emails. But also most importantly what
we do is we encourage the small business utilization and
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making sure that our members and everybody that we're connected
to in the community is connecting to small business because
you know, that's where a lot of the bread and
butter in a community is made. That's where it's really
important for families to be able to, you know, support
themselves and get the kids to baseball practice, or take
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care of mom and dad or all the different things
that are going on. And we're proud of our relationship
with the small business community and with us today we
have our TA partner, which is Cali Care Transportation that
does non emergency medical transportation correct. Correct, And so you'd
like to introduce yourself. I've done enough talking in the
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first eighteen minutes of the show, so thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yes, I would love to thank you for having me.
My name is Naca Clark. I'm the owner and operator
of Cali Care Transportation, non emergency medical transport in the
Inland Empire and surrounding areas. And I love how when
you started this show, this show is for working class families,
and that is exactly what we're here to help with
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families that have loved ones that need to get to
certain places, whether it's doctors appointments or family events, and
don't necessarily have six hundred dollars or five hundred dollars
to transport them to that event. So we come in
and we help families if they have a loved one
that's in a wheelchair or that is elderly and needs
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a little more assistance. We are the people you call
to get them there and return them safely. Our vehicles
are equipped with ramps and are accessible to all individuals,
and so we provide that safety.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Do you ever get calls like one o'clock in the morning,
someone wanted to pick them up from the bar or something.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I haven't gotten that call, but we are twenty four
hours a day, so we've gotten the calls where hospitals
just want the person out already gotcha and they're waiting
for that family member that's not showing up that said
they were going to be there three hours ago.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You don't get the designated driver call.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
We don't get that call, not yet. But hey, we're
available for it twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
A day, so I'm going to keep the number. Then
they please do Gott.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You can't, you can't call them.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
We'll be there extra early for you. Scott will give
you enough time to talk to people and do all
that extra stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'm not Scott. Scott's in another room. But that's okay, okay, Yeah,
that's Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It's the first time, Jitters that I got on the radio.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh, you're doing perfectly fine. Got any funny stories or
you want to talk a little bit more about your
small business? Correct?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
We are based in Ukaipa. Our home bases u Kaipa. Sure,
let me talk a little bit about our business and
then we'll tell you the funny story. But I created
the business because of my dad's mobility issues, so we
happened to all be working. I have siblings as well,
and none of us could take him to his doctor's office.
So when we called the uber, they showed up and
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were there on time, but they didn't offer that assistance
that he needed, and so my dad felt like he
was a burden and didn't want to go back home
with them, and he waited for us in the lobby,
which took a little while to get there. And so
thus we created calli Care Transportation because we want to
be there for people like ourselves that can't always take
our family members or if we could, there's no vehicle
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that can help out with the wheelchair or journey. So
that's why we created calli Care. And then as far
as a funny story, believe it or not, patients are
very good when there's a nurse or doctor in the room,
and they will do exactly what the doctor needs them
to do.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And this particular time, we had a patient that needed
to be transported about forty five minutes in traffic in
Corona on the fifteen, so you could just imagine. But
he was fine and I went in. We put him
on the gurney. My partner was with me. As soon
as the elevator doors closed, he started going berserk on us. Hell,
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they're kidnapping me. Hell, And it did not stop. And
this hospital we got out and we're you know, loading
him in and the security guards there looking at us.
We had thank god we had our badges and our
car has the decal on it, but otherwise we were
we were getting charged with Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Was he flagging down people as he's driving?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
He wanted everyone to help him, and he would not stop.
So about five minutes into the ride, my poor partner,
he's like, I don't know what are we going to
pull over? What are we gonna do with him? So
finally had to look at him and say, you know,
I'll just say, hey, sir, you know what you give
me a run for my money on this call, like,
what do you need me to do? All he needed
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was someone to talk to. And so there's those patients
as well that they just need someone to communication out
a little bit. They just wanted someone to talk, so
we and.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Then it turns into a funny story on our show, right, Yeah,
So we.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Have quite a few of those, or dialysis patient. I
have one. He's so funny. He's about maybe sixty seven
years old, and we talk all the time. We see
him three times a week, and he tells me one time,
he's like, hey, Naka, you know if you were about
if you came about fifty years before, I probably would
have married you, not his current wife. And he said
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her name, and I started laughing and I said, well,
if I was fifty years before, maybe that would have
worked out. And then he stops for a minute. And
you gotta love the elderly because they'll just say whatever
they want. He looks at me and he's like, no,
I'm too high maintenance for you, so they'll say whatever
they want.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, you perform this service for the community, clearly,
you know, it's there's a void there for transportation with
individuals that have, you know, challenges as far as disabilities
and stuff, and so for you to be able to
fill this void is it's got to be extremely rewarding.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It is at the end of the day, it's so rewarding.
And I have four children my unfortunately, my first husband
passed away a drunk driver hit them in twenty fifteen,
and so at the time, I had three kids and
they were all under five, and I felt the community
came to me and they helped me and my family
members helped me a lot. And so this was a
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perfect way for me to show my kids now that
we can do something that we can profit from and
as well as help our community grow and thrive. Transportation
is so important and so needed because we think of
hospitals and we've been to Big Bear Hospital. We transport there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, I was going to say, you probably know.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
It's absolutely lovely and people definitely need to go up
there if they are in that area. But the people
where it gets kind of missed is the transportation because
insurance does not always cover transportation. And so there are
many companies out there and they do great work, but
unfortunately they are taking that advantage of this is a
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needed service. So we could charge whatever we want. Where
CALLI care when you see pink and you see the heart.
I chose pink on purpose because I wanted them to
know it's a woman owned company. And with that being said,
I have children and I want them to see that
helping others is important before that dollar sign. And so
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to me, it's the care that's getting provided, it's the
I understand. For example, yesterday we were here in a
very big hospital in Redlands. I'm sure everyone can figure
out which one it is, and they called me the patient.
The ride was fifty five dollars and the patient didn't
have that fun and so the nurse said to me
the case management, hey we can do it. They don't
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have the funds.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know what, You're already there.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It's fine, I'll do it. And she was so amazed,
like there's no way, let me. She actually said to me,
which surprised me. Let me, memo, you twenty dollars and
I said, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
See how nice an act of kindness. It's becomes so
powerful that other people start chipping in.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, a nurse, she didn't have to, and thank god
she you know, I didn't have I didn't make her.
But she offered, and that was great, and now she
knows that I'm here for that hospital's patience, not just
for the dollar sign, but to also help. And that's
what CALLI Care Transportation is all about. We're here for
our community.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Man. This is great, very powerful message, very powerful story,
and you know, clearly providing a service based on a
moral perspective first and secondarily making a few bucks on
it and doing something good for the community. We'll make
sure we don't advertise too much about the one am
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to a you know, instead of calling an uber, they're
calling you that. They're calling you as a designated driver.
But knock downtown. I know it's two o'clock. Yeah, how
far can we go? You said, Corona, Actually.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Believe it or not, We go everywhere and anywhere. We're
here for the community, Lakes.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm just kidding, pushing it there. Yeah, what's the charge all?
I'm just skidding. No, it's good. I really appreciate you
coming on. Anything else you want to close with again,
we we really appreciate our relationship with the small business community.
As you said in the up at the very beginning,
this is for working class families. The Worker Power Hour
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is all about building a good, strong message around the
working class and getting the working class to understand it
was unions that helped build the middle class, help make
sure the middle class stays viable and is clearly a
very positive, you know, positive part of our communit every
single day. And then these sort of relationships that we've built,
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whether through that because I think you guys met through
the Chamber, correct, correct, So whether it's through our relationships
with the Chamber, or you know, a lot of our
network was built just knocking on doors. We a lot
of times will just go city to city knock on
small businesses doors and and and start to say, hey,
you know, this is our program, this is what we
like to do with small businesses. Can you offer a
discount to our members? We'll advertise free for free. You know,
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there's no hidden deal in it for us. It's it's
all about trying to help out. What's the discount the
teamster advantage members get.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
They get ten off the call that they need me
to do. But if they just call us and they
tell us they're a part of this beautiful community that
you guys have, then we'll work something out. But it's
ten percent.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Don't give them too much because they'll be like, oh,
I heard it was fifty percent. Then we've got a
bunch of negotiators out there.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
But I appreciate it, and I really think Mark for
letting me do this show with you, you guys, and
for introducing me to this platform. You guys are doing
amazing work, and you know I'm a working class mom
as well, and so we're here to show people everywhere
that hard work pays off. But start with kindness and
start with the hello. And this is what I do
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because that's what matters. At the end of the day.
The money will come from that. And that's what I
have to say. One more thing if I can add,
Cali Care Transportation is non emergency medical transport for people
that need a little more information about that. What we
offer is we offer rides, whether they're wheelchair, gurney or ambulatory,
to doctors' offices, physical therapy, dialysis, or even ballet recitals
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for your grandkids at night dinners. If your family members
can't take you, will take you. Will wait for you there,
which makes us a little different than other companies because
we wait in the lobby. We don't wait outside in
the car, So that way, if the person is kind
of lost or doesn't know where they need to go,
they can find us. Our bright pink shirts tell you
that we are Cali caare trans pretation.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Man. What a what a what a great teamster advantage
partner we have here.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
This is show.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, you need any time you need, you want to take.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The show for me. You're gonna step in on the
show anytime. She's like, yeah, give me that, Mic.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'll take a vacation. You got a guest host.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, that's great. You don't really appreciate the relationship and
appreciate the again, the contribution to the community, and appreciate
you sharing your stories here right out the gate. What
a powerful message and what a great way to start
the worker Power Hour. So let's take a quick break.
I'm gonna switch guests once again. Thanks for coming on,
and make sure all of you listeners out there, uh
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you know, don't really use it for for to avoid
a d UI, But like they said, they're here to
help and obviously help those in need in these situations.
So you could be playing a game and be funny,
but I know we're all joking about it, but the
seriousness is those rides need to be saved for those
that need it, not for those that can get.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
An uber Absolutely, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So with that, this is Randy Corgan on the work
of power Our case he A ten fifty A M
one six point five FM and the Team starts nineteen
thirty two. Broadcast Network Aaron Live from Samwordino Mark take
it away for a quick breaking.
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Speaker 7 (27:28):
Tell him, I'm telling him I'm the next.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I'm telling me you find us something fresh to talk to.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Complete then you have which couple twist cabbage your fistick
to me stink clicks by Detroit players.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Tell us to my home the games in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Said the ms.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
I figure there and like pop up in school. Since
that he's the undergoons Sniffer loves.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
But Bruce.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
Want to do us?
Speaker 9 (28:06):
Screw us, screw up year, Papa Mu slud Skusky and
sixty us please three three.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Recently, all right, Randy Corgan back on the work of
power our case A A ten fifty A M one
O six point five FM, The Teamsters nineteen thirty two
Broadcast Network Aaron Live from San Bernardino, California. You know,
I've always remember that w k RP when we were kids,
hearing that live from w k r P. Right now
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now we have our own little deal here, so I
want to do a couple of quick announcements. There's a
free tickets for the King of the Cage. That is
that is Saturday, May thirty first. Mark where do they
Who do they contact to get these free tickets? They call?
They call you do I give out your cell phone?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Do not give out that number. Nothing, everybody doesn't have
it anyway, Local sixty three and Local nineteen thirty two.
They can come to the office and get the tickets. Oh,
from the front from the front desk. Okay, great, yeah again.
King of the Cage that is San Manuel Stadium Presents.
That is at the San Manuel Stadium and that is Saturday,
May thirty first.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
These are free tickets. So for those of you that
want to free night out with your family, be sure to,
you know, get a hold of the front desk at
either a Local sixty three or nineteen thirty two and
get your free tickets and go. Go take advantage of
that situation. Also want to announce that we have the
La County Fair if you if you're interested in going,
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that is from May second to the twenty sixth. There's
a pretty significant discount for Teamster members. I can't I'm
not going to just do the password here. I think
you got to call the front desk to get the
get the pass code correct.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
They can go on the teams to advantage app or
the Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, and so you know, make sure that you cash
in on that for the La County Fair. I know
we were talking about this the other day that with
the La County Fair flipping from it used to be
in September and now it's in May, it's, you know,
kind of a different sort of I always forget about
it in May, simply because I always in my it
was always ingrained in my brain that the fair would
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be in September. But now it's it's in May, and
I wonder, why do you know why they flipped that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think it was the heat, just the heat, because
that's where my first guess.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, probably, I guess the world's getting hotter.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
What the heck?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So the next one is, we still have a few
seats left for the Sparks game for June twenty ninth.
I believe that's a two o'clock game. There's a limit
of four per member. I know I went to this
last year and man, they were phenomenal seats. What a
great venue. It's obviously a crypto arena, and we with
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all the different promotions we do at nineteen thirty two,
we do a Sparks game once a year where we
buy the seats and give them to our members and
their family, and we like to make sure that those
get filled up. We also for those the first forty
seats will fill the bus well. Actually, if you want
to show up at the local, ride the bus and
have transportation down to Crypto, we'll make sure that that's
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taken care of. Two. That's a first come, first serve basis.
But I know that there are some seats that are
still available, so make sure you reserve yours today Again
La Sparks versus Chicago Sky with the on June twenty ninth,
twenty twenty five. And then always we have the Angels
in Teamster nights. Those Teamster nights are March twenty oops,
(31:37):
June twenty first, Yeah, March has already passed. June twenty first,
July twelfth, August eleven, twelve and thirteen, and August twenty three.
And so you can go on the website or you
can just scan the QR code here and then you
can actually get your tickets right directly from the QR code.
It takes you into a special correct a special link.
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That link allows you to just buy the tickets, download him.
We're able to track them on the backside, and you
automatically get your discount through the team' ser advantage program.
So clearly all the members of nineteen thirty two and
sixty three are eligible for this again. June twenty first,
June twelfth, August, August eleven, twelve, thirteen, and August twenty three.
Lots of games. To go to an Angel game, even
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if you are a Dodger fan, you should go to it.
You should go to an Angel game.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
We got the Freeway series.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So, oh, the Freeway Series is in here.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, it's a August game shows.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
August eleven, twelve, and thirteen. Oh yeah, that's right. So
even if you're a Dodger fan, you can go. You
can go to Angel Stadium. Obviously, it'd be a lot
cheaper to go watch a Dodger game if you go
to Angel Stadium. That's for darn sure. Holy smokes, if
you've seen the price of tickets lately. Yeah, and anyway,
so these are announcements, and I'm joined now by Randy Camick.
(32:51):
He is there's a few reasons why I wanted to
have him on the show and you can hear me
right good. Fortunately, see any guy get two seconds into
him and he's already kicking me under the table. Anyway. Uh,
you know a lot of exciting things happening. Number one,
number two for me. Yeah, I'll get him. I'll make
(33:12):
sure he puts that mic closer. I'm just gonna mess
with him first. I want him to talk far away
and until I want someone to hear him. Then I'll
push the mic getting closer.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So free for all.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Right, right, Oh, we're gonna have some fun, everybody. I
got in the studio right now. We're I think we're
gonna have some fun over the next hour. The button, Yeah,
you better be close to that dumb button anyway. Uh,
there's there's a few things I want to talk about
first before I turned the mic over to Randy, because
once you turn the mic over to rand you gotta
be careful. He'll he'll be on it for a bit. Yeah.
(33:44):
They are celebrating their fiftieth anniversary at Local sixty three
on Saturday, and I you know that's particularly for me.
It's a it's special because man, not only did I
grow up at the local, my kids and my family
grew up at the local. It is such an important
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part of my life of very you know, a majority
of my life to see a fifty year celebration and
to also know that Randy has been the principal officer
of that local union for more than thirty years and
he's got a ton of amazing speakers that are going
to be there this weekend. Obviously, the membership meeting is
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always packed. There'll be a couple hundred, if not three,
four or five hundred people there this weekend. It'll be
an incredible event. But you know, celebrating fifty years of
an organization and the success that Local sixty three has had,
and having Randy on the show. And for those of
you that don't know, most of you do know that
are listening. The building bears his name, Camick Hall. And
(34:49):
the reason why we did that is because this local
Union nineteen thirty two would not be here if it
wasn't for brother Chemick the resources he helped us tap
into to create the local union, to build the affiliation,
to move in the direction that we had to. And
then once the affiliation was completed, the work could just
(35:11):
begun and then we had to, you know, build an
infrastructure build, figure out how to pay for everything because
the situation was very dire financially. I cannot explain the
appreciate the level of expre appreciation that our members have
for Brother Camick and for Local sixty three. Our members
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look at Local sixty three like a big brother, like
a like like they with someone who look at their
proud father and always appreciate what Local sixty three did
to birth Local nineteen thirty two. And I know a
lot of people sometimes say this stuff in certain spaces,
but that is true. It is very very true. Our
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members appreciate that they really do recognize, which is why
they are so proud to bear the Camic names on
the hall and for us to be part of celebrating
your fiftieth anniversary on Saturday is very very humbling for
us and very important and we really really appreciate it.
(36:15):
And that's why I was like, Hey, let's bring Randy
on the shows to a little promotion for him, and
maybe he can use this snippet to send out on
you know, all their social media platforms and to encourage
more members to participate in their celebration on Saturday. But
also so that those of you that are listening. Also,
never forget those that paved the way for you, because
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it was Randy Camick and Local sixty three that paved
the way for nineteen thirty two to even have the
doors open. So with that, r Randy Camick was a
he is a former vice president at large at the ID.
I'd actually have to fill a list like ten pages
to get all those old titles in here. You know,
(36:59):
it was a joint count. It's a president for almost
fifteen years. He was a vice president for over twenty
at the General Executive Board. He has held essentially every
position within this organization for a very long time, and
quite frankly, he is arguably the most or one of
the most, if not the most respected individuals. Everybody knows
(37:19):
who Randy Cammick is in the team stairs, and everybody
respects him and everybody appreciates how much he has helped
everybody over the years. And so with that, I don't
know if I built you up big enough. They're big guy,
but you got to pull that mic a little bit
closer to you when you talk into it. Thanks for
coming on the Worker Power Hour. Really appreciate the relationship
(37:39):
over the years and Mark before I turn it over
to him. Keep your hand over that dump button because
we're probably going to get into some storytelling here.
Speaker 11 (37:49):
Well, thank you Randy for having me on again. It's
always an honor to a year at nineteen thirty two
in your radio show. You know a lot of the
things that have happened with our Locals sixty three, at
least in the last thirty years, you've played a major
part as our organizing director, as a business agent. A
(38:10):
lot of the kudos that we get today from building
a local to start off with only three thousand members
now in the range of sixteen thousand, you played a
major role in that, and I appreciate the kudos. In fact,
I'm going to record them and play them for my
wife when I get home. When she gets mad at me,
(38:33):
I drive her by this building and say, somebody likes me.
She says, well, you know, they would likely to take
that sign down if you don't change your ways. But
it's you know, part of celebrating our fifty years is
our local is really a combination of many locals that
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were put together over years, or probably thirteen different locals
were merged into sixty three, and part of what we're
gonna do Saturday is recognized those that came before us,
as you said, and some of those locals go back
over one hundred years. Local tow Away seven thirty seven,
(39:15):
two of six to seventy six. Some of them were
specific to jurisdics and linkadairy or meat six twenty six
with a meat local, but they a huge amount of
history tied up in all those locals. You know, the
fifty years is only when sixty three was chartered, but
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it was charted with combining three or four locals that
had a lot of history going back at least one
hundred years. I'm saying some of them are maybe one
hundred and twenty five years going back to the original charter.
But it's an honor for me. I've the fifty years.
I've been honored to work for sixty three in one
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capacity to another for the last forty five of those
fifty years. You know, it's it's nice to see that
people look back and appreciate the efforts that over there made,
and I think I just played a small part. You know,
sometimes when you do good things, you have to say,
(40:23):
you know, it's a lot of good people that work
for me, including yourself. Over the years. And another one
who is sitting in front of me is ed Rndon
played a part both at Local sixty three and our
Joint Council forty two when I was president as our
political director. It's great to see her. So we look
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to have somewhere. We're thinking somewhere between five hundred and
seven hundred people Saturday. We're inviting the mayor of Realito.
That'll take up at least two or three hours. Yeah,
Joe Bacca, Jobacca Senior, not Joe Bacca.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He's been a good friend. I mean absolutely.
Speaker 11 (41:02):
If I can tell a little story about Joe Bacchovan,
he was first interview. He was like on a board
of education or something. Here in Semmerdina, we were doing
a strike in nineteen sixty, seventy.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Four, ninety four, eighty four, ninety four.
Speaker 11 (41:18):
Ninety four. You know that shows when you get to
be eighty two you could make those kind of mistakes.
But we were striking Consolidator Freightways and some other freight companies,
and we found out the Bank of America was funding
them during the strike. And here was a strike, a
horrific strike nationwide, and so we were picketing the Bank
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of America because they were helping this companies arrive while
they weren't strike. So we took about five hundred people
over there and circled the bank, and cops were going
to arrest us all. So we had a group that
was going to go in the bank and lay on
the floor and Joe Bacca shows, I've I've never met
(42:04):
the guy before. He was running for something, you.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Think at the time, but he says, what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Well, we have strike.
Speaker 11 (42:11):
Told him what it was about with about people's making
people's lives better, and he says, well, I want to
be part of this. He says, well, we're going to
grow in and late. I want to get arrested and
go to jail. He said, oh, yeah, I want to
do that. The said, Joe, you can't do that. You're
going to be a legislator. He can't go to jail.
He was, so we had to stop him from going in,
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and when all the cops showed up, they didn't have
enough vans to take everybody hike five hundred people to jail,
so they let us go. But ever since then, Joe
Bacca Senior and I'll blow us thrown a little bit,
he'd been a part of what we are today. He's
been at every picket line that we've ever had in
the last thirty years. That's nineteen ninety four, any picket line.
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Joe Bacca's senior and I believe his son is is
really good at supporting nineteen thirty two and other labor
unions within the county.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, Joe Junior has been one hundred percent spot on
every time.
Speaker 11 (43:08):
We call him and ask how to help living in
a good tradition that his dad started. He gets he
gets out there sometimes, but he's got a good heart
and he cares about labor. You want me to tell
more stories, because.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Hey, it's absolutely you just got to be careful, you
know some of the stories we tell. Sometimes he's got
his hand floating over that button over that it's called
the dump button, and it got my son here working.
Speaker 11 (43:34):
So I figure I better be careful because he might
tell a story that I tell to the wrong person.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
He ain't my wife, because this isn't a podcast after
the show.
Speaker 11 (43:44):
This is live show, by the way, right, Yeah, I
just want to take a moment because we're approaching a
very sensitive day to me and my family is a memorial.
I think to stop and recognize along with our solationists
who recognize all those who've sacrificed to given their lives
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or their loved ones, family or grandparents that those like
you said, Rendy, you know, the greatest thing you can
do is recognize those that paved the way even that
we have this great country have been given some other
political bullshit that's going on, that the sacrifice that they may,
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including their lives. You know, my family's got and I
look back. My grandfather was in the army, my dad
World War Two, my brother's marine, my daughter's a marine
or was a marine. You know, it's just very close
to me and look back and see, uh, you know
that people sometimes they think they're not hot dogs and
(44:51):
hamburgers or whatever. It's really about a lot of sacrifice
and sometimes that's why it's important in my mind, we're
planning to do that Saturday, is recognize people that sacrifice
for what we had and we've had through this strikes
a lot of the things that we have, people making,
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working people that we represent making over two hundred thousand
dollars a year that didn't come easy. People that went
to jail in the more difficult times. Even when I
first started, things are different. The police were certainly not
friendly to us. You know, going back to the they
talk about unions and team shirts particularly being thugs, and
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you know some of the picket lines where employers hired
police and goons to come out and beat up the
picket or some of the most historic strikes have to
do with the difficult things that the unions had to
deal with them. Sometimes they had to counter those measures
with things that were equally aggressive that no work would
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be acceptable today. But it gave us a bad name
that we didn't deserve. You know, in corporate America, you
read about all these people that do stupid things, graft corruption.
You know, we've had some of the more union but
the corporate side never gets an eight real publicity about it.
We got put in receivership.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, we get criticized for it that you know, on
a scale that's that's one hundred times greater than they do. Obviously,
it's always a way to take a shot at us.
You know your point. Over Memorial Day, let's not forget everybody.
Many of you don't know that Randy served his country.
Randy was in the Air Force and Randy is a
veteran himself, and thank you for your service. And I'll
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say it on behalf of everybody, thank you for your service,
and really appreciate you pointing out that this holiday coming
up here this weekend is a holiday recognizing those that sacrificed.
That is a very very good point. Oh thank you.
Speaker 11 (47:00):
I was honored to be an Air Force back in
nineteen sixty one through sixty five.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Did they have planes when you were in the Air Force?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Had they had?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
They had was at the beginning.
Speaker 11 (47:12):
There was there was textile on the wings, you.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Know, the right, brothers.
Speaker 11 (47:17):
I'm scaredy, it's really funny. I got a funny story
boy out of the station in a triple a Libya.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Ever, you got to keep this clean.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
It is and it's the strangest story. And for many
years to even tell that. Omar Kadaffi worked on the base.
He was the houseboy that you know in the Air
Force gets a lot nicer quarters than the Army or
the Marines. We had barks that were like condos and
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everybody had a houseboy. The major bed shines you shoes.
I'm telling you. Air Force has a little different, better
difference scenario Kadaffi was our guy cleaned and that was
he was young. That was the best job in Libya
you could get. Tripoli. We had the British Army. It
was at a base right next to ours. But we
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got a picture. A lot of my buddies we had
a picture with him. And years later something buddy called me.
He says, you know that guy that was working in
our dorm, that's Kadaffi. I just tear that picture up
because it probably will be investigated by the FBI and
the and the CIA.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Was.
Speaker 11 (48:30):
You know, it's odd how things happen in life that
you look back that God, my guy. We used to
kid this kid that became the leader of the country
when we were there with a king, King Idris, and
he over he went to college to another country and
came back, joined the army and became a colonel. Overthrew
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the king and the rest of the story is pretty
much history. But it's just an interesting you know, for
a young eighteen your old person like myself, uh to
one have the opportunity to serve your country, encounter or
something like that. You look back around and say, oh
my god, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
You know something I hate to shift gives gears here.
But I'm going to one of the things you always
kid me about is whenever we're advertising the radio show
on the ten Freeway and my picture is up there
on the billboard, Chemic, Chemic is always kind of needling me.
Isn't that right?
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (49:28):
He's like, you know, Corgan, what do you needle?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
That's a nice word.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Why Randy, why are you putting your your face on
the on the billboard over there? Like you know, and
obviously you know, we have four billboards in the area
where we're branding the Teamster brand are Our goal is
to just bring familiarity and make it to where the
community recognizes what Teamsters do, regardless of the local union,
because because I believe that that the Teamster brand is
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is a very powerful one and there's a a lot
of value in the community recognizing the history and recognizing
all the cool things we do for the community every day.
But anyway, and I just got to needle you back
a little bit here. I can't wait to hear your response.
Speaker 11 (50:11):
Yeah, if I could really expound this a little bit
on what I've said about things that happen in corporate America,
usually in the distinct difference in some of the things
that we do that maybe on a picket line or
you know, it's it's not for personal gain, it's for
we get arrested on a picket line and go to jail.
(50:33):
It's usually because we're struggling along with our members to
make their lives better. On the corporate side that it's
usually for personal gain. Our kind of corruption, they call
is because we're working collectively to help people. And they've
never differentiated that that we're the bad guy, the thugs.
(50:56):
But what were you doing what you were doing for?
You know, I'm one time they asked me to run
for when George brown Dog many years ago. It was
a local congressman the Democratic Party come up and ask
me to run and I said, you know, I'm not
really interested, and I why not? As well, they're going
to find out I was arrested thirty two times on
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a picking line. I'm probably not going to have a
good showing over that. But you know, it's part of
what we do. It's part of what people in the
labor Union have to be willing to do. You have
to be willing to make those sacrifice said, if you're
in it for the money or anything else. You have
to have a compassion, like Randy Corgan has a reverndon
(51:40):
a compassion that the reward, the real reward, and what
we do is being able to make somebody's life better.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, this is not something that's for the faint of heart,
right as you well know it's and you've seen many
of those battles over your years. So Randy, we're going
to keep I got about three minutes before I gotta
go to a break, it's the mandatory break with NBC.
But then we're gonna keep you on. I'm gonna bring
Ed in here. We're gonna have ED. So I want
(52:11):
to have some fun dialogue between the three of us
and you know, maybe encourage our storytelling. And you just
taught us how fast when Randy Cammick is talking, you
got to have your finger over that dump button over there. Uh.
The point is is, is you know anything you want
to say about getting people out for Saturday, getting your
members out for Saturday. I think we're gonna Back in
(52:33):
the day, you used to have just hot dogs, and
now now you do all kinds of stuff besides hot dogs.
Speaker 11 (52:38):
Oh yeah, we've got We've got the habit truck wings
and waffles and local barbecue company. So we've got disc
jockey Mariachi's walking around. It's gonna be a great event
for our members and their families. So we do back
(53:00):
to big turnaouent, you know, and I just couldn Recently,
we had three of our members who had lost their
homes in the Alta Dino and over in that area,
Local nineteen thirty two and some other local. We had
a charity golf tournament those families. Those three families will
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be at our meetings Saurday, and through that golf tournament,
we were able to net nineteen thousand dollars apiece, so
we'll be giving each of those families nineteen thousand. Each
one will get a check for nineteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Holy smokes one of the Domina.
Speaker 11 (53:40):
Nineteen thirty two for playing a major role in making
that happen. Another labor union. A lot of civic folks
pitched in and contributed and played. So that's how really
this is one of those times where the reward the
look on people's faces that really need help. And these
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three families that I know them all, they're all going
to be there with their kids. That'll be the best
thing that's happened, you know, for me personally in a
long time.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
So I got some text messages coming in here on
our platform. Here Camick has always been about the members.
He stayed at my arbitration until nine pm back in
the early two thousands. This is a former member of yours.
Another one put in here. You are a true inspiration,
mister Cammick. I thank you for being a legend that
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you are. So these are people live listening in. Somebody
said I wasn't even born in two thousands. So the
point is is, you know, I know we got to
go to a break here quickly, and you know we're
going to keep you on so that we can talk
a little bit more about this. But really looking forward
to Saturday, looking forward to the event. It's going to
be an amazing, incredible event. Again, I got food, got people.
(54:58):
You're going to celebrate the history, going to celebrate also
the future and make sure that everybody just has a
great time. And clearly to make sure that we recognize
the fact that brother Caemick has always been there. This
is Randy Corgan in the work of power. We're going
to go to a break here in a few minutes
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He shared about the club, it's purpose and when it
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Randy Corgan is a thirty year Teamster became involved in
the labor movement by volunteering his time as an organizer
with a Teamsters usion at the age of twenty one.
Since then, he's helped thousands organized, mobilize, and achieved bargaining rights.
He accomplished this by spending countless hours with brave men
and women all over Southern California in their living rooms
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on the picket line to bring workers towards victory.
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This is the.
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Oh that's a great song, Randy Corgan and the Worker
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We have been fortunate enough to be joined by Randy Camick,
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the principal officer of Teamsters Local sixty three. They will
be celebrating their fiftieth anniversary on sea. We also have
a guest here where you know Ed Rendon, who is
now man I Kenny. This title is so big, ed
holy smokes. He's the senior VP at Capital Advocacy of
Southern California, Ed and I I'll let him introduce himself
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here in a few minutes and work together for more
than thirty years. And Randy actually pointed out here just
a couple of minutes ago on the break that I
think Ed's entire family at some points worked for Brother Campick,
So you know, it's it's pretty cool to see how
these things are very cyclical in nature and how people
stick to the parts of the organization. So you know,
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at the at the end of the day, you know
our our more than thirty years. We've got a lot
of professional history and personal history. I think I'll let
you share the wedding stories, you know, when you get
to that. But but Ed, why don't you introduce yourself
and what you do now, and then maybe we'll go
into some of the things you used to do before.
Speaker 18 (01:03:58):
Sure, glad to be here, Randy. As you mentioned, I'm
with Capital Advocacy. It's a lobbying firm in Sacramento, but
I'm based in southern California, have been for a long time,
and I've been doing lobbying. I take pride in saying
that I still represent Teamsters Local ninety eighty six at.
Speaker 19 (01:04:13):
The local level. I've worked late with trades.
Speaker 18 (01:04:15):
I'm one of the few lobbyists that can say they
work with labor and employer associations and employer groups. And
it's been a great. It's been a great experience. But
I want to go back to nineteen eighty nine when
I was initiated.
Speaker 19 (01:04:26):
Into Local sixty three.
Speaker 18 (01:04:28):
I was in college unloading trucks in Vernon, making some
good money, being a third generation teamster and going to college,
and little did I know, I studied. I went to
grad school in the Midwest, but I came back home
in ninety four ninety five and started working as a
project organizer under Randy Camick with the organizing campaigns that
we worked together on, and it was a great experience
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being an organizer, working with you, Randy, working under Randy Camock.
Because of my background education, he afforded me the opportunities
to go to DC and work on the international education programs,
and eventually I ended up doing a lot more political
work for the local and then spend sixteen years at
Joint Council forty two and working with Randy towards the
end of that time. So in twenty seventeen I went
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into the lobbying side, but still enjoy my relationship with labor,
always have.
Speaker 19 (01:05:17):
How could I not.
Speaker 18 (01:05:18):
As a third generation teamster. But I want to end
my intro by saying proud of you, Randy for what
you're doing. And I'm sitting here listening to this show
and nothing surprises me. We always talk about the voice
of labor. Well, this is the voice of labor on
the radio medium, and I'm not surprised by you having
the vision to do this.
Speaker 19 (01:05:38):
So congratulations to you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well, thank you, Ed. And you're like you said, you're
a third generation and we now have a fourth generation. Correct, yes,
so go ahead and elaborate.
Speaker 18 (01:05:49):
So my son, Jared Randon is now part of the
training center doing some incredible work here at the local.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Again, did he tell you about that event in March?
How incredible that event was in March where we had
almost six hundred kids and forty schools show up here.
It was just it was amazing. Never seen anything like
that he told.
Speaker 18 (01:06:10):
Me about about else. So the social media was great coverage.
But he's graduated from Alabama last May and now he's
enjoying his work here and doing some incredible work on
behalf of the local and the community. It seems to
be a theme of the show. You have here obviously
is the only an empire where we all live and work.
So yeah, glad that he's a part of that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
So talk about your lobbying work. Now, some of the
cool stuff that you do. Some people say, oh, you
got a lobby is sitting there, The devil's sitting over there.
The reality is is we have to lobby a lot
of this stuff that it clearly elected officials make certain decisions,
a lot of decisions that impact the policy in which
impact workers, and we clearly need individuals like you that understand.
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The great thing about the situation with you, Ed is
you were an organizer, you were a business agent, then
you worked at the Joint Council as the political rector,
and you understand labor not only from being a working
class coming from a working class family, but also doing
all the different jobs within the labor movement as far
as advocacy is concerned. So then you get into a
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lobbying sense and you're, you know, leaning on these elected
officials when it comes to policy, trying to make sure
and I believe that that gives you a huge edge.
It's got to give you a huge edge over others
when you're clearly making that point on what needs to happen.
Speaker 20 (01:07:30):
What's your thoughts on what I just said, Well, I
would say into to Randy Camick, I wouldn't be in
this position without the Teams's Union and affording me the
opportunity to do representation work, but specifically at the Joint Council,
being a political director for our region, working for sixteen
years in that capacity, helping elect dozens of electeds.
Speaker 19 (01:07:50):
But I don't forget my roots.
Speaker 18 (01:07:51):
I wouldn't be a contract lobbyist and a major Sacramento
firm without those experiences. But I would say this, Randy,
it's it's relationships everything we everything is. If I've learned
anything in politics and government, it's relationships we need to
get and you have access to these folks. I just
was able to present to a high school group about lobbying,
and you know, it's kind of dry for a junior
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in high school, but they I had him.
Speaker 19 (01:08:14):
Do a mock council meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Nice.
Speaker 18 (01:08:17):
Yeah, they did a mock council meeting and one side
was a developer or the other side was a lobbyist,
and they determined if there was going to be a
park or keep the park or build a super ball
or center something like that. And there was five council
members and they went at it, and they they I
wanted to show them what the reality of government relations
and politics is and not. You know, we're in the
midst of a lot of you know, a lot of
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division nationally, but when you break it down to state
and local politics, to solve our relationships, be it on
behalf of an employer association or a labor union, you
have a legislation that impacts you positively or negatively. And
I've been able to use my years of experience and
frankly my academic background and counseling to solve problems. Everything
is about solving problems and issues, but most importantly it's
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access to the Joe Baccas of the world and all
of those that make decisions. So, yeah, I'm uniqually situated
because of my labor background and very fortunate to be
able to still, you know, be in this in this
station because of my ties to labor and my work
with labor just by working for employers and employer associations.
Speaker 19 (01:09:17):
And I'm proud of that record.
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah. And you talk about building relationships, and you learned
a lot of that in organizing, right, is that we
had to build these relationships with workers and get them
to understand what the end goal was and get them
to work together and sometimes put their differences down to
work collectively together. And you know clearly as we were
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building the organizing department at Local sixty three back in
the early nineties, Just so you know, for everybody that
doesn't know when Ed and I were partners in crime,
I mean, what did we go We going on a
run of like twenty four straight victories, right like, I mean,
we had a winning rate of over ninety five percent,
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and we actually were able to call every single election
that we had had with almost to the exact number.
And you were just an amazing partner in organizing when
you know, we were occupying in that space collectively. But
obviously I'm assuming you use a lot of those talents
to this day.
Speaker 18 (01:10:18):
Oh, you know, absolutely, And that brings BacT a lot
of good memories because, as we all know, organizing is tough.
It was a tough proposition because it seems like everyone's
against you. You know, everyone everybody wants you to deliver.
You're dealing with employee groups that turn on you. You're
dealing with employers that hate you. You're dealing with law enforcement.
You're dealing with your officers that want things yesterday and
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then you're fortunate to have an organizing victory.
Speaker 19 (01:10:41):
Well, guess what, we need a contract, right.
Speaker 18 (01:10:43):
So it's it is the hardest job I've ever had
in my life, but the most rewarding. And to your point, Randy, yes,
to couple that with my natural ability to counsel and
work work out problems, working in that environment and having
the h and lows, but working with people to motivate
them to do something for themselves. As we all say,
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and it's not a punchline, it's true that organizing is
the lifeblood of the union. If you don't do that,
you die. So I have taken that into my lobbying world.
As far as fixing problems, being creative, I think what
I do differently than a lot of lobbyists. I'm really
into coalition building. And where did that come from? Came
from organizing, came from labor and you know power numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You have a coalition, you in charge about an alliance? Right,
why don't you talk about that?
Speaker 19 (01:11:32):
Yeah? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (01:11:33):
Back in twenty ten, we had the Cooral Fellows with
us and there was a research project done to identify
a need for a new organization, and I, frankly was
busy with you know, three state jurisdiction, and you know,
I didn't understand where they were coming from. But the
choral fellow determined that the Sangaba Valley region was a
very separated region, a very disconnected region.
Speaker 19 (01:11:58):
So through his research he talked to.
Speaker 18 (01:11:59):
Randy was actually on the white paper. Rannick Cammick was
actually on the white paper that they did, and there
was determined there was a need for the Sangrava Valley
region about forty four cities, to have a nonpartisan, all
inclusive type of group, you know, because once you start
getting partisan and doing endorsements, you know, you divide the
room labor over here and environmentalists here and chambers here.
So we're in our fifteenth year and we're a robust
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group that we just identify the best practices in the region.
Speaker 19 (01:12:24):
Everybody has a voice.
Speaker 18 (01:12:26):
When we first started, you know, on the Republican party side,
the compliment was I'm not used to being in rooms
like this, and they didn't leave. And we have had
a very all inclusive, productive group for fifteen years going.
Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, very very you know, visionary to point that out.
Obviously a lot of hard work and it's even more
work to sometimes keep it together, right. So you know,
again kudos to you in that space. You know, we
we shared not only an experience in organizing, but as
a business agent. You know, we also shared you know,
negotiating contracts and on picket lines. And you know, we
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still got a we still got a beef with this
with this old man, don't we We got it back
in the day. Back in the day, we got we
got you know, we were I guess bottom rung. We're
in our early twenties, right, if he got stuck in
these in these vans that were pretty beat up at
the drive around. Oh, I don't know what's your description
of that before I get into how could I forget?
Speaker 19 (01:13:26):
They were Dodge caravans.
Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, they were old Dodge caravans.
Speaker 19 (01:13:31):
Beat up blue and white with teams smiling.
Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
He knows exactly where we're going.
Speaker 19 (01:13:36):
Teamsters all over.
Speaker 18 (01:13:37):
So we still a like a sore thumb, everybody ponking
at us and doing other things.
Speaker 14 (01:13:42):
Uh.
Speaker 18 (01:13:43):
And we we were in a year of multiple strikes
in nine ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
So Zachy Guerrero and and ups were just just to
say three of them. There was a couple other mixed
in right.
Speaker 18 (01:13:55):
The whole year, so we weren't organizing. We were actually
professional strike watchers. But we were dispatched to victor Ville
and Barstow, respectively, and I felt like I was, yeah,
I don't know where I was in Barstow, it was
so hot in August, but I was up there with
my van and you were in Victorville with your van.
I think you were, well, no, I don't want to
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get to that. Did you get home on that one?
Speaker 19 (01:14:16):
I don't remember, but yeah, that was the fifth Those
were good times.
Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
And then when we gets thirty years now so we
could probably talk about it.
Speaker 19 (01:14:24):
But I think we graduated to the Luminos too.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
After, Yes, we did. Yeah, yeah, after we got the Luminas,
which were hand me downs beat ups from somebody else.
Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
It was funny. I took Randy. This reminds me of
a funny story. I take Randy to lunch. I get
him in the car, he gets he gets in the
passenger seat, and I drive and it's just the two
of us in the car and he's hearing this. He
keeps looking in the back seat, looking at the back seat.
He's like, what's that noise. I'm like yeah, He's like,
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is there. Did you put something in the trunk? Is
there something trying to get out of the trunk? And
I'm like, no, I go that's just that's how beat
up this thing is. He takes me, he'says, make a
right turn here. We went over. We went over to
the Enterprise car lot and ended up getting a new car.
He's like, this thing's a pile of chunk. What do
you Why are you driving something like this because you
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put me in it? Like, what are you talking about?
Remember those?
Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Oh?
Speaker 19 (01:15:19):
Yeah, definitely? How could you forget?
Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
See, we're gonna air all our grievances on you. Now
what do you got to say about yourself? Well?
Speaker 11 (01:15:25):
I was just remembering that lunch you took me to.
Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I still have all those one dollar.
Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
That I have to have.
Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
I never did figure.
Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
Out what that was.
Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
If you don't, I don't tell a little story about how.
Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
I first met ed. We were organizing Conway and he
goes a large trucking company here the weals code actually
nationally and his father, who worked for me it was
a a union compassion person. He was the steward at
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ABF for a long time, always set up for the
members and we couldn't penetrate Conway. He says, you know,
my son is the regional HR person for Conway. He is, yeah,
and he says a lot of stuff they're doing is
illegal and unhappy with it. So we met and talked,
(01:16:25):
and you know, his parents were you know, they say,
you're your mom the most wonderful person in the world.
And so it's disappointed because they always thought they were
being educated to become a priest.
Speaker 19 (01:16:37):
I remember that, right, Well, not, well, that's dig anyway.
Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
They just wanted you to pray.
Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Away.
Speaker 11 (01:16:47):
He talked in his fashion for the labor movement, and
he didn't like what was happening in the corporate world
and had a really great job, great position, and he
agreed to come to work for us. He ended up
testifying in a history hearing against Conway. It actually allowed
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us to effectively organize one of the first Conway facilities
in the Western United States in Vernmin.
Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I remember, right.
Speaker 11 (01:17:18):
So he's got a great relationship over the years of
what because he's worked for me several times. He's got
that way of dealing with politicians that he's a straight shooter,
tells the truth. He's low key, but he gets his
point across effectively when he's representing the interests of labor
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or anybody. That's what made him, in my opinion, made
him very successful. That people appreciate the way his demeanor,
the way he handles himself respectfully, intelligently, and not everybody
could do that without a little rough edges. They caused
problems for it. I was fortunate his my mother in
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law was my personal sucretary for many, many or twenty years. Greatly.
I really hated as serially his wife. His wife worked
for me and all of them, everybody in the family.
It's just tremendous. You know, they all care about each other.
Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Yeah, great family.
Speaker 19 (01:18:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (01:18:25):
I just for the record, in case Alicia was listening,
ed refused to go with Randy and I because he
said he didn't have any you wouldn't leave him any
one dollar.
Speaker 19 (01:18:38):
Oh yeah, but thank you. Thank you Randy on that.
Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And like I, like I said, this chemic true chemic
fashion just shifted the conversation. We were busting his chops
a little bit, and he slowly moved it over to
compliment to get us off, to get us off of
our game. Anyway. Sorry, I just had to point.
Speaker 18 (01:18:54):
That out, very very smooth, very diplomatic now, But I
go back to the point, like I was looking forward
to doing this Randy, to talk about what I'm doing,
but most importantly, to pay tribute to what is going
on here. I'll always use labors in my heart, it matters.
I've been very fortunate to work with the lobby firm
that embraces that. Actually, because they don't know it, literally
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don't know how to talk to labor.
Speaker 19 (01:19:18):
They're afraid to death.
Speaker 18 (01:19:19):
How do we talk to those guys, Well, they won't
talk to you. You get to have a relationship, you
have to have history, you have to have trust. So
none of that would be possible without my background with
Local sixty three, Joint Concol. Forty two, our partnership in
friendship for a lot of years.
Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, and you know we've been to each other's weddings, that's.
Speaker 19 (01:19:37):
Right, absolutely, twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
For me twenty seven years. You mean twenty seven weddings,
twenty seven that's one time. Any other funny stories you got, well,
you know I do clean ones. You can say on
the air, well, actually I want to.
Speaker 18 (01:19:58):
I can't stop thinking about Randy Comick loves this is
I never I don't know if much of many of
us know the origin of the caesar salad. But I
learned the origin of caesar salad because of this man.
Speaker 19 (01:20:09):
Right, I'm gonna need a dump button, so it's worth
bringing it up.
Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Yes, yes, should we share the story?
Speaker 19 (01:20:19):
Well? Who wants to share it?
Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Do you want to share the story of where caesar salad?
Caesar salads originated? Sir?
Speaker 11 (01:20:29):
Years ago, we were in San Diego with Randy and
some other representatives, young people. I was kind of the
old guy.
Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:20:40):
I was told many years ago that caesar salad was
actually invented in Tijuana, Mexico, and we were right there
at the border. So we decided to go to Tijuana,
of course, for and this is my story and I'm
sticking to it, to Tijuana to have a caesar salad.
Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Now, does anybody believe.
Speaker 11 (01:21:02):
That that you're have one of these dollars? And so
after we spent the evening having Caesar salad the whole evening,
about eight hours, it's kind of late, and I called
my wife and I said, you know, we went out
to dinner at Caesar Salad with all these young guys.
(01:21:22):
There was about eight of us, I think, And she said,
Caesar salad till two o'clock.
Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
In the morning.
Speaker 11 (01:21:30):
She says, uh huh, So she didn't say. The next weekend,
she's going to San Diego with a girlfriend. They have
at yearly outing, and she calls me about two o'clock
and then she says, you know, I'm at the border.
I've been went down for Caesar salad and I about
Joe wanted to know, went to Mexico and she went
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way to place hung up on me. That's the last
time I ever told that kind of story. Matter of fact,
that's the last time I ever went to Tijuana. I'm
still loving that down. But you know, we had some
great memories with a lot of us that were close.
You know, we've worked together, went through hard times, good
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times that we've had similar views about the labor movement,
similar compassion for working people trying to make their lives better.
So it was great sometimes to go out and loss
team and relax a little bit, even if it does
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cost you a few dollars here and there.
Speaker 19 (01:22:38):
We had to hear about that again.
Speaker 18 (01:22:39):
It's been a while, but did you want to talk
about impeding trucks?
Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Well, you know, I actually got to witness the first
tire that blew up right in front of you on
a picket line, correct, just somehow accidentally and ed and
eire is a strike in nineteen ninety six, and and
I are standing there and I'm like, hey, I'm going
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to run out in front of this truck. I'm gonna
distract it. You're laughing now, you remember. Now I'm going
to cause a disruption right in front of it. And
you know, there's this thing here, and you know if
it lands there, you know, like it'll take care of it, right,
And all of a sudden, I hear this dang dang
dang had accidentally dropped it. It bounced around in front
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of the truck.
Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
Us.
Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
But yeah, we don't know where I came from right anyway,
needless to say, you know, very shortly after that it
somehow got in the right place, and then you know,
some things happened. But the funny thing was is you
know that was a pretty crazy strike, like that girrel
strike was. It was six weeks and you want to
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talk about a group of workers that threw down like
those guys were nuts. They taught us few things on
the picket line. Yeah, they they they they they you
could tell they had their injury. You know, ingenuity out,
they creative on on how to make things happen. But
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Groom a corporation, because remember Groom a corporation owned the
company at the time, and and they hired the thugs
to break the strike and they started following us. As
a matter of fact, I got a funny story I
can't tell online about me and Rick Ellison getting followed
away and you know we had to take care of business,
you know, about them block away from the from the
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line on who decided to try to lump us up.
But my point is is, you know they weren't messing around.
Those were armed guards.
Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
They followed us, tried to beat us up, you know
when we were ambulatorying or were doing stuff. But you
know one thing that you can never take away from
those workers was there there there they're fire to fight.
And you know I wrote my mission statement, my mission
purpose statement on that picket line in the middle the
night I was on a graveyard crew. And you know
I still have that same mission purpose statement to this day.
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It actually is in my office next door. It's been
in my office, you know ever since that watching those
guys and the way they took on that company and
the way our whole local union, all the staff, everybody
essentially threw down to try to help these workers take
on this one of the biggest corporations at the time
in Mexico. That was you know clearly, you know, with
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Mission Guerra Tortillas in in southern California was trying to
bring exploit of you know, operation to the States too.
To see that fight. It was just an inspiration. And
to this day I think about them quite often about
how how great it was. And that's one of those
areas you and I bonded, and you know, spending six
weeks on a picket line will get you to either
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really like each other or really dislike each other, because
we did have some people, you know, lump each other
up off to the side to.
Speaker 11 (01:25:54):
Yeah in To add to that, Roundez, one of the
principal owners andone grown incorporation, was the ex president of
Mexico with a legend tized all the cartels after the
strike was over, because the like you said, the workers
really went together and kicked their ass over about a
three month period and when they caved in, we settled it,
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you know, in best interests.
Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Of the members.
Speaker 11 (01:26:22):
The groupment Corporation. The ex president of Mexico actually invited
myself and Bob Molina to his ranch in Monterey, and
Bob and I both said, that'll be a one.
Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Way right exactly.
Speaker 11 (01:26:35):
There won't be any there won't be any coming back
from Moderrey.
Speaker 19 (01:26:39):
It sounds like the offer.
Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
We respectfully declined. We're busy that week, we're busy that year,
We're busy that decade.
Speaker 18 (01:26:47):
But that that was a good group. And you're right, Rand,
it's been a while, but that was a good group.
And that was the year of the strikes. I mean,
UPS is a national strike that was different, but the
Zaki and the Garral were local and driven by the workers.
And you know, again being a third generals teamster, I mean,
it's to maintain contracts and to maintain what people have
fought for. And every time I was part of a
strike line or economic action, it wasn't just sitting there
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waiting to go home. It was like making sure these
guys in ladies keep what they have that they deserve.
Speaker 19 (01:27:14):
And that still brings true.
Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
What are your what's your favorite organizing drive from back
in the day, or you know event or something that
we did that the three of us, you know, kind
of collectively worked on I.
Speaker 19 (01:27:28):
Was thinking about that.
Speaker 18 (01:27:29):
I think the Librea Bakery because it involved all of us,
because that was.
Speaker 19 (01:27:32):
A tough one.
Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Lebrea Bakery and that was a.
Speaker 18 (01:27:35):
Tough as I recall re ups or the other subsequent
negotiations were tough with them, but that was a tough
one too because that was pretty militant.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
You know, that group was militant. One of the things
that that group did that stands out now that you
bring it up, is remember when they were gonna they
brought the catered in the lunch and when they brought
the food in, one of the guys got in the
front of the food line and called out company and said,
because it's Librea, it's it's a high end bakery, right,
and we're going through an organizing drive. They were trying
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to prevent everybody from organizing all the typical stuff that
union busters do. And I forget the leader's name at
the time, but he stepped up in front of everybody
and said, if you're going to bring food, I want
food for my family. We're not eating any of this food.
And this thousands of dollars food that they had catered
for the entire operation sat there and nobody touched anything
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at that lunch. That's when we knew we had that
thing licked, right.
Speaker 18 (01:28:31):
Yeah, that's true solidarity plus the one in the strike.
Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Remember, Oh, hold on a minute, the strike strike a
couple contracts later. Remember it was him that got that
we got We got a call from the LA Sheriffs
going there there was it was was that off of Melrose.
There was a store off Yeah, look at him, he's
remembering there was a store off of Melrose where things
went crazy. This is you do something crazy? Camick calls
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me and starts chewing me out like I did it,
And I'm like, what are you doing yelling at me
for he goes, wow, this is I heard. This is
what happened. You and Ed were out there, Randy, I
didn't do anything. It wasn't me. Oh, I can't believe
you would try to dump that on it, like I
didn't even do anything. Did you know that?
Speaker 10 (01:29:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (01:29:18):
Of course.
Speaker 19 (01:29:18):
But they also brought soccer players.
Speaker 18 (01:29:21):
Oh you exploit them, and we were getting immediate replies
from these guys like look what they're doing it now
and this is that. So that was a really strong
group and unfortunately we're being.
Speaker 19 (01:29:30):
Put in all the table.
Speaker 18 (01:29:32):
That's what I referred to as workers turning on each other.
We actually had some committee members.
Speaker 19 (01:29:37):
You know, get bought up.
Speaker 18 (01:29:39):
Yeah, and that that probably was the worst thing I
experienced in an organizing campaign. Losing, losing, you lose, you know,
things happen. But I didn't lose.
Speaker 19 (01:29:49):
We didn't lose.
Speaker 18 (01:29:50):
They lost the opportunity to do something right.
Speaker 19 (01:29:53):
But that when we had internal uh.
Speaker 18 (01:29:57):
What do you want to call it, traders, that was
horrible because they didn't do it to me themselves. And
to see the pain infrustration on those workers' face when
they told me about it. I'll never forget that it
was still prevailed and they had a contract.
Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Correct, Yeah, we still prevailed. They got a contract. And
then I think that that scenario scenario I'm talking about
off of Melrose, I think that was the second contract renewals.
Either it wasn't the first contract renewal. I think it
was the second one that bargaining broke down. They ended
up having a labor dispute and and yeah, anyway, so
I thought i'd point that one out. Yeah, once again
I get my rear and chewed out for something crazy happening.
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I really had nothing to do with and and bigger
than life.
Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
It was ed sitting over here.
Speaker 11 (01:30:39):
You always said, I never have anything to do with anything. Well,
you know, that strike was really interesting because the owner
of Libreo Breaker at that time was a very famous
author of cookbooks. She was also connected.
Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
To the White House.
Speaker 11 (01:30:57):
She during the strike, she actually reached the presidential Uh
that a little freedom. She was honored back in the
White House. So it was all the politicians, police were
all on her side because she was connected, and so
it was very difficult.
Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
I can remember her name, Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 11 (01:31:18):
She eventually sold libret or something else moved on.
Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Yeah, what other campaigns are I remember you representing ups
that was That was definitely fun experience.
Speaker 19 (01:31:29):
Well I followed right after you when you went to
the grocery.
Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Yeah, oh to sound that.
Speaker 19 (01:31:35):
Was very similar situation.
Speaker 18 (01:31:40):
With the workforce knew, you know, like Central American immigrants,
very militant, very angry about having to leave the conditions
in their country coming here and being exploited by this company.
So that was I forgot. That was a tough one too.
And that was in the Peakle District area. Yeah, but
but it's something. It's funny reminding about how you got
in trouble for for me, but like going back to
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our partnership was funny because Randy, I mean, everybody knows Randy.
He's going to meet the group and he's going to
put the big boom box on and do the talking
and get you motivated. Not that I couldn't do that,
but I liked behind the scenes. I like to do
the paperwork and the follow ups. So we were a
very good team in those years. It was I think
that really took us to a different level. So yeah,
it was good times. It was a great time.
Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah, a lot, a lot of good fun. Yeah. Any
any any stories you want to share about the two
of us.
Speaker 11 (01:32:27):
Well, this is particularly about the one day the FBI
shows up at our office. Oh yeah, one of your
agents was making terror rost threats to the family that
owns lave Crossali. It's a well known family in Los Angeles,
and they reported the one who was yelling.
Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Terror roots store allegedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:32:55):
Throats just about fallover happened. I said, okay, he said
what and I thought, that's not it. I had a
house of reputation and he's just the way he is.
He's low key, very effective, intelligent, never say anything like that.
So I knew it wasn't him. But the FBI is
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looking at because they were people were connected to the FEDS,
you know, so they made a complaint. They ran right
out and turned out it was Spider. I was going
to Sayburg who says that's kind of crop every day?
Speaker 14 (01:33:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
He just he wakes up.
Speaker 11 (01:33:34):
And says it. And it was just funny though, because
all of us said ed Rndon, the FBI is after
him for saying what nobody could believe it.
Speaker 19 (01:33:43):
I was exonerated, but yeah, yeah it wasn't you. But yeah,
those are some wild times. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Well again, you know, I really appreciate the relationship we've
had over you know, three decades, more than three decades,
and I think that that it's important for us to
always look back on those times and recognize their journey,
but also recognize the journey of others. We got a caller,
(01:34:11):
Yes we do. What do we got, Mark? We gotta
we got some Do they have a question for us?
Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Oh yeah, they'd like to go on air with you.
Yeah yeah, okay, I'm gonna bring them up right now.
Speaker 16 (01:34:19):
Oh, man.
Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Thanks Mark, Here you go, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Who who's somebody on the hopit? This is? This is
Randy Corny, the work of Power Hour. Who we got
on the line.
Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
This is Jeremy. How's it going?
Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
What's up, Jeremy?
Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
How you doing great? How I was told to call in.
Didn't know what I was calling in for. I thought
I was gonna make a dedication, but uh, it's just
enjoying the show here watching the guys live streaming on
the kick Beta over here.
Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
There you go, right there. You got any questions for
anybody that's on the show right now?
Speaker 10 (01:34:54):
No, no questions. I was just calling in to thank
all of you, gentlemen, for your heart work and dedication,
you know, to all the workers, you know, whether they're
unionized or not. You know, Randy wants they love the show.
Been listening since day one, so really appreciating it, getting
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all the knowledge and stuff. But yeah, I was told
to call in, so I called in.
Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
All right, Well, appreciate you calling in and appreciate your
recognizing all the work everybody does here. But also we
want to recognize the work you do. You work at
air m c out at the hospital, and you have
a very important job to make sure that that all
these people that come into the hospital are taken care of.
So Jeremy, thanks for coming on and yeah, you know,
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and and thanks for participating in being involved all the time.
Speaker 10 (01:35:42):
Mark to get us off the line, I saw that
I was just trying to interrupt the conversation here.
Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Hey, no worries, Jeremy, do we always appreciate callers, appreciate show.
What's the what's your favorite part of the show, Jeremy.
Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
My favorite part is, uh, depending on who the guests
are and the stories and just stuff about learning new
stuff about labor movements and you know, especially the news
on what's current, what's going on, you know, not just
locally with us, but across the country stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Well cool. If you have any suggestions or any ideas,
you know, you don't obviously have to give them to
me right now, but you know, go ahead and feel
free to text us or email us or send something in.
And always if you've got questions wall the show's going on,
make sure that you give us a call and and
we'll you know, will help have entertain the interaction you know,
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live on the air. That's the cool part about having
a live radio show.
Speaker 10 (01:36:42):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Yeah, it's it's we're proud of it. And and again
we're really proud of the work that you do. So Jeremy,
thanks for calling in. Unless you got anything else you
want to ask.
Speaker 10 (01:36:51):
No, no, no, you could do that cut fine again,
it's all good.
Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Thanks Jeremy. All right, bye, bye bye bye. Yeah. I
know Jeremy works out of a rmc A shop Stewart,
very very active member, listens on a regular basis. I
think I put him in the live shout out early on.
But where were we at? Sorry about that? Uh, telling
stories the FBI.
Speaker 19 (01:37:16):
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I was trying to move away from the FBI.
Speaker 18 (01:37:20):
I know, yeah, yeah, I'm oping Randy always has stories.
Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Well, the problem with Randy is, you know, and Mark's
not paying attention over there again, he's hovered away from
the dump button is we're always concerned about anyway? Just kidding,
is it going to be clean enough?
Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (01:37:43):
You know, just reflecting back, I've.
Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Just got to get closer to that mic.
Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
I'm just grateful for the opportunity to be able to
be part of the labor movements of a small part
and contribute to making some people's lives better. Roos you
know better around. This is my fifty eighth year as
a teamster. Extremely proud of the fact that, you know,
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my father was a team shrough my grandfather and I
look back and I feel grateful that I had that
kind of inspiration that's given me some really strong feelings
about trying to live up to the things that my
father or grandfather put in place. It had a part,
(01:38:29):
some small part, and my dad was the organizer for
the international first or period.
Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
So it's the.
Speaker 11 (01:38:38):
Kind of thing working in the labor movement. If you
don't have that, like I said before, if you don't
have that passion, and people sometimes say, oh, that's just bullshit,
you know, and all that, but it's not ever what
you say. A lot of people say a lot of
things in politics and otherwise it's what she'd do that counts.
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If you can point to things that you've accomplished that
make people lives better, you've done something. If you just
say things and don't do things that really aren't, you're
just bullshit in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
So thank you Randy Keeps forgetting we're live on the
air here.
Speaker 19 (01:39:21):
How about we go into some other topic.
Speaker 18 (01:39:23):
Yeah, I wanted I wanted again kind of in retrospect
looking at your history in this region. You've basically born
and raised here, Randy, Right, and we go back, we're
talking thirty years. I can't believe it.
Speaker 19 (01:39:36):
Decades.
Speaker 18 (01:39:37):
You have always you've been a great organizer and a
great labor representative.
Speaker 19 (01:39:41):
But this region is very important to you. It's important
to all of us.
Speaker 18 (01:39:44):
I mean, I live here in the West End. We
know there's a lot of it's a major geographical county
and there's a lot of challenges. But but you know,
kudos to you for what you've done to your word
to to improve the working conditions for working and women
here in this region.
Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
And I mean, yeah, our slogan of transforming the Inland Empire.
Were living up to.
Speaker 18 (01:40:07):
It, right, And I remember you were sketching these things
and talking about them and this has to happen, and
back in the day like angry about it, and you've
done it. So I think that it's it's really really
uh something to be proud of. You know, you're used
to it because you're a doer. But I wanted to
before we got off there, just make sure you know
that you know, I'm very, very proud of the work
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you've done in this region, because this Inland Empire we're
talking about Sanguea Valley is an area that I helped
work and put a light on. This is a part
of La La County, Orange County all the limelight, but this,
this Samaraio County region has a lot of opportunities and
needs and it's great to see what you've done in
the community building.
Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Well, let's talk a little bit more about that. I'm
gonna take a quick break here. I think Marcus got
us kewed up. This is Randy Corgan and the Worker
Power Our Case AA ten fifty AM, one six point
five FM and the Team Stars nineteen thirty two Broadcast
Network Live from Sanburgan. Remind you live on the air
from Sambury, take it away.
Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
Mark.
Speaker 21 (01:41:08):
Run you don't rest time over made out No no,
no no no.
Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
I'll tell you are right out.
Speaker 22 (01:41:33):
You don't bring down. No no no, I'm telling you
some big Mark.
Speaker 14 (01:41:52):
Don't she.
Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
Doing you ing down? Don't ring it down.
Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I tell you bargain.
Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Yours looking gray is a nice You're doing it right.
Don't bring it down. I tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
We're back. Grandy Corgan and the Work of Power Our
KCAA ten fifty AM, WIN six point five FM, and
the Teamster's nineteen thirty two broadcast network. We decided to
not take too long over break, and we're just going
to go back on live. As Ed tiptoes back in
here and gets back on his mic. Anyway, I'm want
to do some quick news and then I'm sure we'll
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continue this fun, robust conversation and this rundown memory lane.
The New Jersey Transit Teamsters launched their first strike in
more than forty years. And this is part of the BLET,
which is the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, which
is part of the Teamster Rail Conference. First of all,
it's the first strike that they've had in over forty years.
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I think it was last Friday that they went out.
Within a couple of days, they that thing was resolved.
It was good to see that group throw down, make
it happen. As a quote, railroad executives had every opportunity
to reach a fair deal, but those I can't actually
say this, those freaking clowns chose to waste money on
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decorating their lavish penthouse offices. New Jersey Transit could have
avoided the strike, but they blew it, said Teamster General
President Sean O'Brien. Rail teamsters are the best in the
business and deserve better than the low bald and being
to be low bald and disrespected, and so it's great
to see those workers thrown down like they did, and
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it's good to see that rail workers are willing to
walk off the job. It's one of those things, no
different than I keep saying about what happened in Utah
or the TSA, you know, workers' rights being stripped away.
I don't care who it is in the political world.
If they've decided to take away TSA's bargaining rights, my
opinion is the response should have been, no one goes
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to work and guess what, nothing's gonna fly. And the
reality is as if all those TSA workers, forty thousand
of them, walk off the job and don't go to work,
guess what we're going to have in the end as
a resolution pretty darn quick because guess what, no planes
are going to be flying, nobody's going to be going
getting screened, and we will have a resolution fairly quickly.
(01:45:16):
And we got to get back to that space where
I think as aggressive as corporations are being We got
to be just as aggressive aggressive in this space, and
so we also report that drivers have beat back union
busting campaign they continue to organize. Drivers at Dairy Farmers
of America in North Carolina have voted to join Local
three ninety one Teamsters Local three ninety one as contract
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negotiations continue to resume for two thousand Teamsters in the
dairy cooperative nationwide. The eleven drivers overcame an intense anti
union campaign from the company and in two weeks leading
up to the election, DFA had sent company representatives into
the company to spread misinformation to try to intimidate workers,
and so DFA pulled out all the stops to prevent
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these drivers from joining the Teamsters. That shows how scared
they are of the Teamsters as a whole, said Mike mcgaha,
president of Teamsters Local three ninety one. He happens to
be a friend of mine and Randy's as well. We
couldn't be prouder to welcome our new members to the union.
And good job out there Mike at Local three ninety one.
Great to see your continuing as always to do great work.
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Last thing I want to report on as far as
news is a couple things at nineteen thirty two. One,
we're having a Juneteenth event. Make sure that you get
on our website, you reach out to us here at
the local union for you to participate in the event
on June nineteenth. But I also want to report on
as well as our Hispanic Caucus hosted The Walkout movie
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in Norwalk last Saturday, and it was an event where Teamster, families,
elected officials, and community leaders came together to watch the
movie The walk Out, and they learned about the Chicano
labor movement. They learned about the movement in the late
sixties and early seventies. And I would like to play
a quick clip from a documentary that really describes what
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happened with the Chicano movement that paired up with the
labor movement in the late sixties and early seventies. That
led to a lot of strife, confrontation, and in the
end a lot of people cops came in beat up
a bunch of children's students and activists, including killing people
(01:47:35):
in certain situations. But I'd like to play this quick
clip you ready with that mark? This describes I think
this really describes what was going on at the time, so.
Speaker 11 (01:47:46):
I think I'll have to take the upper hand real fast.
Speaker 23 (01:47:51):
By early March of nineteen sixty eight, the groups had
exhausted all the usual remedies. Their recourse was direct action.
The students were threatened with expulsion with the withholding of scholarships,
and some scholarships were indeed with help. Nonetheless, more than
twenty thousand students in five East LA schools Lincoln, Wilson, Garfield, Belmont,
(01:48:13):
and Roosevelt walked out. It was the first major mass
protest against racism by Mexican Americans in the history.
Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Looks like we lost the feed. But what I think
what that does is it does a good job of
describing direct action. And my point to wanting to play
that quick that clip was that it's direct action that
makes things happen. That if we don't utilize direct action
in the right way and we don't utilize it as
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a tool, because as a reminder, I think something that
the labor movement has veered pretty far away for lots
of reasons. One is legally we've gotten in a lot
of ways, arguably pushed into a corner and we feel
like we can't use this tool as much and the
tool being In nineteen thirty four, the Wagner Act was
passed as well as in nineteen thirty five that converted
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to the National Liberations Act. The argument for protected concerted
activity was one based on the freedom of speech and
the freedom to assemble. The argument on the floor of
Congress was utilizing the freedom of speech and the freedom
to assemble, that said, hey, workers don't have that right
prior to nineteen thirty four when they go to work,
that we're supposed to have that right in the United States,
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but we don't have it there. And what happened is
in the ensuing few decades, as more labor disputes erupted,
there was a movement away because of nineteen forty seven,
which was the Taft Hartley Act. Because of what happened
in forty seven, we started to move even further away
from using that. And the reality is is the phrase
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direct action, we've moved so far away from it that
we're not using it in these situations like Utah and TSA.
And what I like to do is, I know I
wanted to get back into it with you guys, but
have actually only got a few minutes left in the show.
But I really, you know, labor, labor has got to respond.
Let's use Utah as the example. I know I keep
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saying this and people say it over and over again.
These these kids in the late sixties realized that their
collective power and and you know they were there was
only a handful of them in the in the Latino
community that had opportunities beyond high school. As an example,
I think a statistic out of UCLA showed that only
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forty kids after they had graduated, had gone to school
at UCLA prior to this movement. Now, after the movement
and after all these things happened, I believe the following
year it had actually moved up to like twelve hundred
or something like that. So that tells you the difference
in how the movement led to an effect that helped
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change what was going on where these these these the
entire cold was being discriminated against clearly not across not
just only across the country, but specifically around Los Angeles
at least where the story plays out for the movie Walkout.
And so the movie Walkout really talks about and brings
forward how powerful that collective action is. When I say
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that we move away from it, we've moved away from
it over the last fifty sixty years. The mistake has
been that we depend on the NLRB, or we depend
on you know, the court system, or we depend on
some system to try to bail us out or fix
the problem. We've been kind of coaxed into it. We
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have then divorced ourselves from just shutting it down. Look,
I'm not saying that we whimsically do it. I'm a
leader of an organization. I don't just whimsically shut operations
down and walk off the job. I've been in charge
of this place for a very long period of time,
and it's not like you see me recklessly, you know,
engaging in labor disputes everywhere. But when the time is
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right and when the time is needed, we need to
lean heavier into direct action. As an example, TSA loses
their ability to bargain. Instead of us just licking our
wounds and saying, oh, well, I still have my job,
but I've lost my right to bargain. I should be
leaning into direct action and walking off the job like
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these kids did in nineteen sixty eight, Like they did
to then change the landscape of the way an entire
culture was seen in that space, and we can learn
something from our history, because if you look back on history,
it's those moments where people withheld their labor, or they
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collectively walked off, or they were in a space that
they did some concerted protected freedom to assemble. That is
our right to strike, that is our right to withhold.
And so if it's in Utah where I get my
rights stripped away by the legislature and the governor and
then all the public employees say I'm not going to
go to work on Monday, I think that they're going
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to fix their problem pretty quickly. If everybody decides we've
had enough, or use the TSA as an example, guess what, Well,
we're not going to go back to work. I get it.
Some people will say, if you walk off the job,
you're risking your job. Well, at a certain point, if
you don't risk your job, how much are they going
to chisel away at it and chip away at it?
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And you're not going to have much of a job
left over once you lose all your rights. The perfect
example for this is Wisconsin. If you look at what
happened in twenty eleven and how bargaining rights were stripped
away from workers in Wisconsin in the public sector, and
they went through and eviscerated the entire industry or public
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employees through the entire state. What you saw was everybody
for the most part abandoned those jobs and they went
to other areas. So they're going to leave the job anyway,
because clearly, by eliminating collective bargaining, it eroded what the
job brought to the table. So why aren't we front
loading it and just walking off the job and saying
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enough is enough? Again, you don't use this tool recklessly.
You need to use it in the right way. And
this took a little bit longer, and I thought it
was I'd love to hear your guys' feedback. I don't
actually have time and I got to wrap the show up,
but really appreciate Randy ed you guys coming on you
listening in the purpose of the show is the worker
power are The purpose of the show is to explain
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to listeners, whether you're a member or you work in
the community, that you have the right to withhold your labor,
you have the right to build worker power, you have
the right to exercise these rights. We have really just
not done a good job. We I'm saying society has
not done a good job of teaching this in the
right way. We're building worker power in the area. The
way we're building worker power. We have our billboards, we
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have our buses, we have our radio show, and we're
doing everything that we can to educate the community and
make sure that we encourage people to move into the
space of direct action. This is Randy Corgan, longtime organizer,
first time radio host in the Worker Power Hour casey
AA ten fifty AM one of six point five FM,
and the Teamsters nineteen thirty two Broadcast Network arein live
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from Samordino. Take it away, Mark, see you next week.
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