October 12, 2025 • 63 mins
Ryan Wood, the son of esteemed physicist and aeronautical engineer Robert Wood tells us about his father’s work on gravity, then delves deep into some of the secrets still hidden behind the wall of classification. He says, “the greatest secret in the world is gravity control,” and goes on to say that he feels that somebody outside of the secret government may have it. Author of the remarkable and authoritative book MAJIC Eyes Only, he is among the most skilled and knowledgeable UFO researchers alive today. Two weeks ago, John Blitch described shooting UFOs down. What does Ryan think of this? Plus–Whitley tells a remarkable story about his experience on the Johnny Carson show and Johnny’s little known UFO sighting!
Ryan also discusses his work with portable fusion power systems.
Learn more about this at ElectricFusionSystems.com.
Connect with Ryan on his website, MAJICEyesOnly.com.
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Ryan also discusses his work with portable fusion power systems.
Learn more about this at ElectricFusionSystems.com.
Connect with Ryan on his website, MAJICEyesOnly.com.
These are the Podcasts tracks you will hear 24/7, on The Un~X Network! www.unxnetwork.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Whitney Streeber and this is Dreamland.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You have reached the edge of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today on Dreamland we have someone who has been at
this a long time. Is a genuine expert, highly accomplished
UFO researcher, who is also at the absolute cutting edge
of what's going on right now. And I've never interviewed
him before on this show. His or his dad, who
(00:34):
is now two ladies passed on. We have Ryan Wood
with us. Ryan is the author of Magic Eyes Only
and a number of other books, including UFOs who Knows,
which we'll be talking about extensively today. But more importantly,
he's literally is at the cutting edge. And Ryan, I
(00:55):
would very much like to welcome you to Dreamland and
thank you for coming in to spend.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Some time with us.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh, it's great to be here, Whitley, and I'm glad
we got a chance to meet at the Sole Foundation
briefly and then follow up and do this interview. I
think it'll be really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Sole Foundation, Folks who don't know about this, this
is a foundation that was founded at associated indirectly with
Stanford University by Gary no One, doctor Gary Nolan, whose
name everybody knows and doctor Peter scafe Issue is also
(01:33):
at Stanford and very interested in the UFO phenomenon and
UFP phenomenon, but less well known, but a wonderful man anyway,
and also much more friendly to close encounter witnesses and
experiences than most of the Sole Foundations. I'm not allowed
to speak at the Sole Foundation because I'm a close
(01:54):
encounter witness. Most of the of the people who uh
spoke at the Foundation will not come on this show
because they don't want to be tarred by the close
encounter brush.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So thank you on behalf of all of the close
encounter witnesses who watch and listen to this show, and
also the people who take an interest in it for
coming and goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Admiral Tim Galladatt and.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Many others that the who were spoke at the count
it's not one of them even replied.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And you know, they've gotta they gotta get used to us,
because this can't be done by authority figures who aren't
in the experience. Ultimately, it's going to come down to
the close encounter witnesses and the visitors and the people
who are willing to engage with us to try to
(03:00):
us and say no, no, we don't want those people involved.
We just want the government people involved and the official
people involved. There's a big There was a big convocation
at the Escellent Institute a bit a while ago that
involved a lot of billionaires, and they bought out the
(03:23):
whole Essellent Institute for a few days, and they invited
only people that they thought would have some kind of
authoritative locomotion in this right, but they do not know
the grace very very deceptive and very effective. They're going
to do it their way no matter what we think, right, Okay, Well,
(03:47):
I said, let's talk about you now and your dad.
You got into this at an early age. I mean
I remember you and your dad working on this many
years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean my father's sort of history Doctor
Robert Wood, who was a PhD physicist who graduated from
Cornell and worked at Douglas Aircraft Company and then McDonald
ig List and then Boeing for his forty three years.
(04:18):
One day, I think in nineteen sixty six or so,
his boss came into his office and then said, what
are we going to do for the retirement of General Shreeber,
which was a general that specialized in rockets and whimsically
he said, well, why don't we tell him how the
UFOs do it? And his boss said, sure, go work
(04:41):
on that, and so he suddenly read fifty UFO books
and made some conclusions, and then he was giving a
briefing to his management at Douglas Aircraft Company. And after
the briefing of the president, don let's ask him, well,
(05:02):
you know what have you been doing for fun Bob?
And he said, well, I've read fifty UFO books and
there's only one question left, and what's that? And he said, well,
are we going to figure out how gravity works before
or after Lockeye does? And there was some pregnant pause,
(05:22):
and then they said, well, you know, how much money
do you want to try to figure that out? And
he said, well, I want a half million dollars, which
was about you know, five million dollars today or something,
and so they gave him the money and for the
next a couple of years they worked hard on trying
to figure out gravity control. But they also interviewed abductees
(05:46):
and experiencers the instrument a vans and went out to
the Mohave Desert tried to collect data, and they did
theoretical work and so forth. This was all the boys
in the back room work for the next two or
three year And subsequently Stan Friedman, a famous graybeard in eufology,
which you certainly knew and I did too. Oh well, yeah, exactly,
(06:12):
and he came home to dinner one time when I
was like fifteen years old, and so I got a
little brief exposure to ufology then, and then sort of,
you know, I went on my way in life, and
it wasn't until oh maybe nineteen nineties, early nineties that
(06:36):
my father and I connected again and started working diligently
on authenticating the majestic documents. So that's how I came
into this field. I mean, never had any experiences. I've
been an analyst sort of an intellectually curious person in
the field and you know, try to do what I
(06:57):
can do to contribute to its progress.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So you you didn't ever work at McDonald douglas.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
No. I had started off working at Intel Corporation as
a new college graduate, and then Digital Equipment Corporation, and
then a couple of Silicon Valley startups in medical imaging,
and then ultimately moved to Colorado with a company and
(07:27):
energy conservation, and I started Frontline Aerospace, which for fifteen
years I focused on drones and energy conservation. And now
I'm the CEO of Electric Fusion Systems, which we're working
on small scale fusion in a roller bag sort of environment,
(07:48):
a different approach to a radiation free portable fusion power electricity.
So that's my day job. My a hobby is upology.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's quite a day job. Incidentally, folks, if you hear
banging in the background, the buildings that we came very
close to being burned down a few weeks ago, and
all of everyone around here is retrofitting their structures for
fire suppression, and so all of everyone has people up
(08:24):
on their roofs trying to do that, and you'll hear
some of that banging and hopefully if it won't get
too loud. But if I didn't do that, it'll be
like this for weeks. Okay, you mentioned a moment ago
the presence of abductees and closed encounter witnesses in this
(08:49):
whole mix, and what I'd like to do is to
ask you where they fit in, because, as I said earlier,
they're not being fitted in proper anymore. They may have
been in the past, but not now. But before we
go there, folks, I think we're gonna we're just about
to find out something quite extraordinary here, and we're gonna
(09:11):
take a little break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
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Alien mind have ever been detailed publicly. Learn how they think,
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(09:36):
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(09:58):
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Speaker 2 (10:03):
We're talking to Ryan Wood is most recent book UFOs
Who Knows Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And we will be talking about that, and don't worry
about holding it up.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It'll be up.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You know, we have the video editor will put a
copy of it up when I'm talking about it, so
you don't need to worry about holding it up. Okay,
all right, you know this podcast has been going on
for a long time, and you can be assured it's
a completely professional operation. In any case, there's a book
(10:39):
by Grant Cameron called UFO Skypilots. Are you familiar with
that book at all?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, okay, well, let me tell you what it is.
It's a compilation of statements by close encounter witness who's
who have flown UFOs hm hm. And it's so extensive
(11:08):
that I have to believe that something like that might
have happened. And can you tell us what you know
about any any involvement of close encounter witnesses in the
whole gravity research program.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, I guess my approach to gravity research has been
trying to figure out the origin point of the reverse
engineering and technology effort, and I'm not sure it overlaps
(11:53):
much in the way of interfacers so far as what
I've known. What I've there was it's a huge smattering
of newspaper articles in the fifties that highlighted many different corporations,
from the Glen Martin Company to Sperry Gyroscope, to Lear
(12:18):
to Northrope to many of these early people and I've
actually traced back the first article to nineteen fifty one
where Dudley Clark had a group of scientists out in
(12:41):
the Coachella Valley in Palm Springs with some six million
dollars down of dirt road working on unquote gravity insulators.
And then I've looked through a lot of different people
as well. One of the key lynchpins organizations is what's
(13:07):
called the RIAS Group Research Institute of Advanced Studies that
George S. Trimble sort of founded and championed as part
of the Glenn L. Martin Company. And this guy Trimble
was the arch villain or you know, lead character in
Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point. And he's
(13:33):
been a request that people have asked him, you know,
can I talk to you about gravity control? And he's
he says, hell no, go away, don't don't talk to me.
And and recently I found Lewis Whitten, another physicist of
that era in the RIAS Group who's one hundred and
(13:55):
two years old, living in a nursing home in Maryland,
and had a a personal introduction to him and an
email exchange with him, and he said the same thing.
He said, Hell no, I can't talk to you about
all gravity control at all. So this is a long
winded answer to say that I think that our science
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human beings figured out gravity control. I would say in
nineteen sixty plus or minus two years. And then I
went into a lot of other research, which is a
separate presentation really about what sort of sightings and events
support the nature of gravity control and manipulation. But I'm sorry,
(14:40):
I don't have anything directly related to interfacers that highlight that,
do you.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I'm sorry, I'm muting my mic. While right, of course
it was just a slight bit of banging, but now
as soon as we start talking, it sounds like they're
actually tearing down the place next door. Any case, well,
what I want to do is you you mentioned that
(15:12):
we may have already got gravity control, and you know
the question of what gravity is. I'm not alone and
having been in a UFO among close encounter witnesses, and
I can describe part of the experience very clearly, and
it's important it's related to this. It is that even
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though I could see, there was little windows that were
sort of they weren't big, but I could see out
of them. And as we returned to the place in
the woods that we had started from. It looked like
the world outside was moving around, and the thing was
as steady and still as a living on them, and
(15:57):
that was because it had its own gravity. You know,
if you go into a movie, in an old movie,
and you you watch a pilot's up view of a
dog fight, the world of the cockpit is just still
and steady because you're basically sitting in a movie there
(16:18):
and the world outside is moving around, and so it's
But if you were actually in the plane, it would
look different. However, when you're in a UFO, it's absolutely
it has its own gravity, and therefore it's not connected
in some way to this universe. And if that's true,
(16:40):
I think it's not just gravity control. It's the creation
of a whole different realm of reality when you turn
something like that, all, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, there's discussions of
what is manipulating inertia? Is an manipulating time? Are you
inter dimensionally somehow twisted? It's definitely a different, different thing,
And I guess i'd draw a distinction between a real
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extraterrestrial craft and our own man made craft, which may
be more crude or less sophisticated in its capabilities. And
that's actually one of the key areas where I'm doing
(17:34):
remote viewing targets on several of these early cases in
sixty four and sixty six and maybe some other cases
that are back into the fifties where it's clear that
there's human beings, you know, with military uniforms on, that
(17:54):
are operating these craft rather than grays or Pladeans or
Nordics or others.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, there's a big human factor here, and it's so
secret though, so secret. I mean, you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And I've inquired of people who have who have done
this kind of research, and they get belligerent. They don't
just you know, mostly when you're when you're trying to
find something out from somebody who has a clearance in
some area, they're pretty nice about it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But these guys are not. I mean, that's it basically
go away.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm not you know that it's almost like something is
watching them from the inside.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Mm. Yeah, well, I'm sure that you know. The greatest
secret on planet Earth, in my opinion, is gravity control,
and that somebody has it, either outside the military industrial
complex or some sort of breakaway civilization or some sort
of different group that may be in partnership with some
(19:02):
faction of alien presence. But that's the ultimate secret, because
that is free energy, that is disruption of the planet.
That is the solution to our fundamental problems of ecology
and getting rid of the nukes and uplifting humanity to
(19:28):
as Stan Friedman used to say, join the cosmic Kindergarten
long long ago. And so that along with low cost
portable fusion, is two technologies that I think could be
have positive transformational trajectory for planet Earth to allow us
(19:54):
to sort of again join the cosmic Kindergarten and have
a more open dialogue with the alien presence, a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
More open dialogue because right now it's very closed.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And as I found out that I have found out,
and as this emerges into some of the people from
behind the scenes are emerging into the public space. They
want to they want that door to stay closed. They
don't they want to tell the public what's going on,
(20:32):
But they don't want us in the room. They don't
want us in the room.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I agree, they don't want I mean, there's so
many negative implications or unknowable implications for some form of
high quality disclosure, so to speak on disclosures such a
huge question mark as to what that is and when
(21:00):
it entails.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, what would high quality be? That's a question, and
I want to let's open up, let's unpack that a
little bit. What would you say, how would you describe
high quality disclosure?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well, I mean it's a it's a continuum, really, I mean, uh,
we're not alone in the universe. Everybody goes, okay, yawn,
I get that, but well Roswell's real, Well can we
see the bodies? Well, no, you can't, but okay, two
years later they say, here they are. Well, did you,
(21:32):
guys do any biological or viralogical analysis of their blood?
Have you created any bio weapons? Have you figured out
any reverse engineering technologies? Like Colonel Corso advocated and well, no,
you can't see those, but yeah, we did some and
and this is sort of titrates it all out, and
(21:55):
then let alone going to the really nasty stuff like uh, oh,
you've got time travel and all your religions, I mean,
Jesus and Mohammad and all these people are basically aliens
and they're manipulating global society, and or you've got gravity
and the whole world economic system is turned on its
(22:17):
head in a negative way potentially. So there's so many
different ways you could and my book The ai Ufologist
talks a little bit about that. You know, how do
you go about managing the transparency aspect and the disclosure aspect.
(22:39):
How do you juggle this to sort of ty trade
out a reasonable process with minimum disruption for society? And
it's it's the pull of bnd aid off or or
sort of absorb the slow drip drip drip.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, yeah, and the course pulling the band aid off.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It results in what they call onological shock, which is
a shock of the new. And in my book The
Fourth Mind, the the one that's just recently out, I say,
at one point people always say, oh, sure, we're ready,
but well for what we don't know what it is
(23:26):
we're supposed to be ready for, so we're actually not ready.
And these the insiders hold the cards very close to
their chest. And even though if you go on Ross
Coultart or any of these other shows, you see one
supposed insider after another coming out, but.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
They're not really doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They're only they're only they're only feeding us an awareness
of the fact that there's something real there, and there's
a sense of some kind of a conflict going on
and a feeling in my on my side because I
live with the visitors. I'm They're a huge part of
my life. I couldn't write a word without my relationship
(24:11):
with them. It's that deep.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm told that sit here and listen to these people
talking about shooting them and shooting them like shooting the
little the little Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
We were talking about this on the air just before
we started, folks, and I just want to hear this
out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Jake Barber talks about shooting them and uh, okay, that's
what he shoots. What the only ones we ever get
close to are the little short ones and three feet
tall that are biomechanical.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They don't have reproductive organs. And I know a lot
about them because I describe them in detail in my book.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And but here's the thing. He said they were like
meat puppets. I'm sorry, they're not. They have brains bigger
and more complex than our own. It's true that they
are not independent entities like a human being, are like
one of the five foot tall grades. But they still matter,
(25:18):
and shooting them matters. It matters, and these people represent us,
but we have no voice in the policies that are
that are behind what they do.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, it seems kind of silly. I mean, I suspect
that they have lots of examples of the biology and
the people. Why do they need any more? And you
know they've got plenty to work on. I think, you know,
the directive should not be to engage or shoot down
any of this. It's it's more, you know, you have
(25:58):
plenty to work on already. So I suppose they're always
trying to find more data. But I just think it's silly.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's possible to interact with the Grays very fully without
shooting them down, because I and many close encounter witnesses
do this all the time. And I know they have
people behind the scenes that they call variously psionics or
intuitives that can do it too, But the way they
(26:29):
do it is totally it doesn't seem to me to
be the right way. And let's take another break. We're
talking to Ryan Wood his latest book, UFOs, who knows
he is the author of one of the great classics
of this field, Magic Eyes Only, And we're going to
(26:52):
be talking about both of those books.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
As we move along, We'll be right back. Hi.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
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Speaker 4 (28:34):
The Fourth Mind Whitley Strieber's explosive new book, The first
Time Alien Anatomy, Alien Genetics, the Alien Brain, and the
Alien Mind have ever been detailed publicly. Learn how they think,
Learn what they believe, Learn what we mean to them.
Learn when they are coming and why. Then In part two,
(28:56):
learn why we don't have powers like telepathy, levitation and
healing that they do have. Find Out about the catastrophe
that took our powers from us. Find out how we
can regain them. The Fourth Mind totally new, incredibly important.
Get your copy today on Amazon, available as a Kindle, hardcover, softcover,
(29:19):
and an audiobook read by Whitley Streeper.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
We're talking to Ryan would his website Magic Eyes Only,
Magic Eyes Only, and it is a beautifully laid out
website where you can learn around Ryan's work, at least
his UFO work, not so much about his other work,
which I want to talk about a little bit right now.
(29:43):
You described what would be conceivably the most revolutionary energy
change in energy delivery in the history of manpond and
you're working.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, I am, and with this. So there are we're
members of the Fusion Industry Association, which is a global
organization of all the fusion companies, and there's forty three
companies in the world working on fusion nuclear fusion, and
(30:19):
three of them, or actually I think four are what's
called ananeutronic or without neutrons, without radiation fusion approaches. The
rest generate neutrons and fusion. They can be shielded and
so forth. But that's our focus and our fundamental breakthrough
(30:39):
is this low cost fusion fuel, which is a combination
of lithium, ammonia and noble gases in this heavy ridberg
matter liquid condensate that gets gets fused with electrical arcing
in a small pressure rised vessel, you know, the something
(31:02):
the size of a large beer can with the switching
power supply and some way to extract it. But the
key breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Is in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Quantum tunneling and frustrated tunneling and reduced coolo mixed repulsion,
which is the nemesis of of how you smash atoms
together is that they don't want to go together at all.
They they want to repel, and so if you can
(31:39):
sort of these ridberg atoms are actually much larger electron
clouds that have much higher principal quantum numbers, and therefore
they they interact with each other in a different novel
way that allows magnetic and electrical fields to be a
(32:00):
more sensitive. So that was a long technical dialogue about
sort of technically how we do it, but my website
electric Fusion Systems dot com, you know, explains this all
in detail. But we're right on the verge of being
really weird and not accepted by mainstream science because although
(32:22):
we have a lot of papers and supporting information, pending
patents and so forth, we are not mainstream in our approach.
And it's a much longer dialogue as to how and
why we are our team came to this technology, but
(32:46):
we think we're of succeed if we can get the
you know, three million bucks that we need to sort
of push the envelope and and get it done in
less than a year. So that's sort of where we're at.
I mean, as usual, we're a struggling startup.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well, you know, isn't that a familiar story though?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A startup with a fascinating approach, a creative approach, and
mainstream science putting a heavy hand on its progress. And
this is this is something and what what you described,
you obviously know a good bit about what you're doing,
(33:33):
but it doesn't fit a series of assumptions that the
same mindset that assumed that rocks couldn't fall out of
the sky was a ridiculous idea, and that assumed that nothing,
no voice could ever be transmitted across the air, across
(33:56):
a distance any farther than someone could shout. That same
mindset is still holding us back right, more powerful now
than it ever was before, for a simple reason. The
amount of money that's necessary that you just mentioned is
often very substantial. And the the so you know you're steyning,
(34:27):
isn't there anyone out there who's willing to take anyone
with money willing to take a risk? I know that
there's lots of billionaires out there nowadays, more than we
should have probably, but.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I won't see them willing to take this kind of risk. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
The objections to funding are around having a high quality
white paper or peer reviewed papers, or fi ending subject
matter experts in fusion that said that, well, this is interesting.
This looks like as a reasonable chance of succeeding. Even
(35:08):
though it's sort of outside the mainstream approach, the potential
positive impact on uplifting humanity is huge and relatively non destructive.
I would say it's less less turmoil than gravity control,
(35:32):
you know, and and so you basically can suck water
out of the air and and you know, green the
desert or make food anywhere, or you know, eliminate a
lot of the You can put in the back of
a tesla or electric car and they suddenly go a
(35:52):
million miles. So it's huge applications that are all positive.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, I think it's a.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Taste and environmentally it will be tremendously helpful to you know,
what did the ETS care about? As you've mentioned before
in your podcast, you know, get rid of the nukes,
clean up the environment, feed everybody, educate everybody, and improve
the standard of living for everybody. And when you do that,
(36:21):
you can join the cosmic kindergarten. Sort of my assessment
of the situation. Uh, you know, it may not be
a cosmic kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Night.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
A couple of weeks ago, we had a show on
Dreamland where the the gentleman who was there showed image
after image of artifacts on the Moon and Mars that
had been airbrushed out by NASA. Ah, that means that
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we have a we have a past.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We're not allowed to know about it. And what can
that be?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Why would why would something that's hit the very least
thousands and maybe many more, many more years old be
so secret that NASA has to air brush it out
on the Moon and Mars.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, so, who the hell are we? Right? And you
know you're trying to.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Do something that would revolutionize the human experience.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's not a small thing, but uh.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You're like pushing against a wall that you can't get through.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, you know, we just keep pushing, is my does
just keep going?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And that's what we have to do. Now. I want
to get onto your books.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Magic Eyes Only Ryan is one of the great classics
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You don't need to hold it up. We'll hold it up.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, just yeah. I started it in two thousand and
five at the Crash Retrieval Conference and it was, as
you mentioned, the classic. It had seventy four crashes from
around the world from eighteen ninety seven to present. Jim Mars,
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the late Jim Mars wrote the forward for that book,
and I recently updated it about a year ago, and
it had one hundred and four crashes from around the world.
Expanded it and added more, and I left three or
four on my desk because I just needed to get
the book done. So I felt, you know that after
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you know, starting out in two thousand and three with
the UFO Crash Retrieval Conferences, which ran for seven years.
I think that you attended some of them. I can't remember.
You may have spoken at one and David Rush shows up,
you know, you know, last summer or the summer of
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twenty three and says the world, yeah, there really are
crash retrievals and we were like eighteen years ahead of time.
And I'm I'm excited about my book, you know, Magic
Eyes Only, and it's a it's a tremendous compendium of
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cases and this they have varying quality and sophistication. And
many people have written whole books on Kecksburg or shag Harbor,
or Roswell or Braxton County or Cape Girardo. And so
I'm just trying to synthesize those down to you know,
anywhere from one page with a you know, intriguing witnesses
(39:55):
or articles to you know, ten pages where you have
a lot of information. And uh so that's that's the
focus of Magic Eyes only.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, let's talk about a couple of those.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Let's talk first about Kexburg, Kexsburgh, Kexburg, Kexsburg, because that's
a that's an absolutely fascinating case.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's very well documented. Can you tell us a little
bit about that and Kexbert something happened in Kexburgh, Pennsylvania, folks.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, so, uh this acorn typecraft came in and crashed
and scraped along the ground. And Stan Gordon is the
primary investigator, has written a book on on this case.
And Leslie Keene as well has done some research on
(40:46):
NASA FOYA documents related to this. And it comes in
the the guy the name of I think John Murphy
was a local reporter and photographer, came and took a
(41:07):
bunch of pictures, and then the military showed up and
confiscated his his film. However, I believe that he actually
palmed the film off into a one pocket and gave
them basically blanks. And he mysteriously died in Ventura County
(41:30):
in a drunken head on with a Volkswagen bus that
he was in. And then the toxicology report is suddenly
missing from Ventura County, and and and when I had
some remote viewers target the actual event, Uh, he was murdered.
(41:54):
But nonetheless that's sort of a sidebar. But the point
is that he had this crash. Uh, you have writing
and hieroglyphics on the side, there's a bunch of pictures,
cordoned off. Military take it all away. It's a classic event. Yeah,
everything sort of you know, there's crashes, there's some witnesses,
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they cordoned off the area, the military carts of the way,
and it's difficult to find anything more about it. And
that's sort of the universal motif of crash retrievals.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and it's it's extremely frustrating.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
You know, I'm very familiar with the Grosswell incident because
one of my uncles was involved in it, and my
listeners know all about this. I'm not going to go
into it again, but just suffice to say he was
at attached the Air Material Command in at right field
when the debris and bodies are brought in.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And so it's a.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Family affair in my life and the me that they
look into the craft that they had and there was
nothing in it, no system. And I wonder if there's
any information any queer about propulsion systems that you've come
across in your journey through this whole field, not just
(43:16):
crash for peoples, but you and your dead have been
deep into this on a lot of different levels.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So any there's some of the Majestic documents, for example,
the on Majesticdocuments dot com website. There's the White Hot Report,
which is a September of forty seven which describes the
neutronic power plant. It has ten different bullet points about
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what the materials are inside this propulsion power plant as
well as this. It was twenty five page report all
about the event and what they learned through the whole
summer of seven trying to analyze the the craft. And
(44:06):
so I would urge you people to read that because
that's it's a fascinating read, and it's actually one of
the higher quality, more authentic, majestic documents. But I'll read
one quote from UFOs who knows that was relevant to
what you said earlier. This is from Brigadier General Arthur E.
X On. We heard the material was coming to right Field.
(44:29):
It was brought into our material evaluation labs. I don't
know how it arrived, but the boys who tested it
said it was very unusual. I mean it's sort of
you know, so so comment.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But he was a family friend, right Oh, he was
for you. We talked extensively about this for a couple
of hours.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Actually, well you probably know a lot more. But that's
the you know, there's just an example of somebody who
ran right Patterson Air Force Base at the Air Material Command.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Generally it's the new ill. Well, I'm not going to
be coy about it. He held I've said it before,
he held one of the bodies in his arms.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. And he was as.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Late as nineteen eighty eight, he was still consulting with
people at right Now who were working on this. Because
it was always pencils up in his day, nobody left
any written records of what they were talking about, and
then the Air Force put it about. He started to
get too talkative, and the Air Force, unfortunately, I introduced
(45:41):
him to Stan Friedman and I told Stan next thing
I knew, stuff had appeared like you just read, and
he ended up it was put about that he had
Alzheimer said.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Alzheimer's I don't think he did. He may have.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I don't know, because it reached a point where I
couldn't communicate with him anymore either nobody could. And the
last thing I heard from him, he says, I think
my phones are.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Bugged, right, you know it's and so there's many quotes
in UFOs who knows from Obama's coy response on Larry
King that you know who's really in charge? Well, the
(46:36):
ets don't want us to tell the truth about what's
going on, and to things like Ben Rich, the head
of lockeyat Skunk Works for fifteen years, saying we know
how to take et home. We found a mistaking the
equations and we can now travel to the stars in
(46:57):
his retirement speech in nineteen ninety three, or Edgar Mitchell's
comments where you know there's there's clearly been crash hardware
and and people in the government know about this.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, it's a whole.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
We talked about it extensively privately, but trying to get
him say a darned thing on a radio TV show,
forget it.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah. And what's interesting about who knows is that we
we have these categories. We did astronauts, we did religious leaders,
we did military, we did presidents, we did uh, government leaders.
We did a lot of work on celebrities. Uh and
the celebrities comments. I mean, so we wanted to give
(47:47):
a good cross section of people, to allow the public
to engage with the people that they feel comfortable with.
You know, don't believe in military leaders, but boy, I
in fact that Katy Perry said something about Ufosa Hey
or or Lebron James or or Cassius Clay or you know,
(48:12):
these other people that people resonate with. And so it
was my attempt, along with my co author Anthony de Lorenzo,
to improve the credibility of the field. And that was
the focus of what I were trying to do, is
to just engage more people and up the credibility of euthology.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
The credibility of euthology of celebrities. When I went on
the Johnny Carson Show many years ago for Communion. I
was warned by my publicist that I was probably going
to be taken down because could be pretty brutal if
(48:59):
you wanted to be. And so I thought, well, you know,
I've been beaten up so much. I don't care anymore,
you know, I just there was a horrible experience to
go out there with the community. So I'm sitting in
the green room waiting and he comes in and he says,
and if this was rare, he rarely went into the
green room apparently, And he says, well, I want to
(49:20):
tell you a story. And he tells a story. He's
sitting out on his deck at his home in Malibu
with his wife and he sees they see a UFO
circle the house, silver UFO, just as clear as day.
And then I go on the show and I'm on
the show for half an hour and he's incredibly nice
(49:41):
to me. And I thought to myself, thank you guys
for the help, because you saved me from an agonizing
experience and really pushed the book because that's what put
the that's what put Communion on the map more than
anything else I did. So that gets me to this,
(50:03):
Where are we in terms of our relationship here? Because
we've got people in the on the secret side of
this now admitting they're shooting. They're in a shooting war.
They're shooting them now, and then people like me and
so many other close encounter witnesses out there saying let's
do this, let's have a relationship, and people like you
(50:27):
watching everything and trying to keep a good perspective on them.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
And it's that perspective I want to talk about right now.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
No, do this in a way that it actually helps
mankind instead of the fractured mess that we're in right now.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, well, that is the big big challenge is that
I guess in the past twenty years, we've had an
increasing way awareness of the extraterrestrial presence in our media
and our movies and more and more exposure to it.
(51:10):
So it's certainly far less shocking today than it was,
you know, in the fifties or sixties or seventies. So
to some extent that's been a positive trend. The question
is do you want to how accelerate that trend and
how to do that? How to increase transparency and trust
(51:31):
in our government by telling the truth and I guess
it has to be done delicately and a little bit
at a time. They could start by saying, you know, yeah,
Roswell was a real event, and then try to manage
(51:56):
the aggressive attack of the ass to try to dig
more and more and more and more and feed them
a little bit at a time to sort of let
it come out so that there's less anxiety about it.
(52:18):
But it's a complicated matter as to, you know, how
to do this, and and there's probably lots of different
competing approaches within the government as to what to do
(52:38):
and how to say it. But I'm struggling a little
bit with you know, a good script or a good
prescription of to respond. What do you think, I mean,
how do you think it should be done?
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well? I think that there is a.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
There is a desire to hold their clinging. The authorities
are clinging to something that they really can't can't hold
on to that. It's it's like clinging to dust or something.
They don't know what they have here. Well, like for example,
(53:25):
in Jake Barbara's interview with Russ Coulthard, he describes at
one point, as he is attempting to retrieve this egg
shaped object that something came out of it and went
into him.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
And possessed him and is still inside him.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
And it is a very feminine, angelic, beautiful energy. Now,
what he doesn't know is that many an abduct tea,
including this one, can tell you exactly what happened. That
mustn't that was an attempt to reduce his hostility.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
In other words, this was this was He thinks of
it as a being. It probably is in some sense
of being, and it's not a part of him. But
what he doesn't understand is that this is it's not technology,
it's we don't even have a word for it. It's
(54:20):
spiritual structure that comes into him and changes him from
a basically a hostile warrior into something very different and
sends him on the spiritual search he's on right now,
right now.
Speaker 6 (54:41):
This is what they can't get their heads around. They
want this to be basically like us, only they're in UFOs.
It's not like us at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's it's a it's a very complicated
you know, you wonder I mean, I remember Chet Snow's
title of his book, mass Dreams of the Future.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Book.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, tell us give us some of your thoughts about well.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
I mean I just triggered the thought was, how do
you help humanity sort of get less militaristic and less
aggressive and less Uh, you know what this spiritual entity
you know or thing came into this barber's being is
(55:44):
is to somehow influence the dreams or perceptions of lots
of human beings. I mean, there's lots of ways to
be interfaced, I guess, either physically or mentally or in
your dreams. And you know, there's a crop circle for melatonin.
(56:05):
You know, should everybody be taking melatonin to improve the
quality of their sleep and therefore their telepathic and esp
ability or their receptiveness to positive things. Or you could
take it a totally different way and say, no, I've
heard that. You know, some ets have said the problem
(56:28):
with humanity is the ratio of men to women is off.
It's a fifty to fifty right now, but it really
should be five x female and one x male, because
the females are more empathetic, they're more consider it, they're
less warring dot dot dot. It's not about procreation, but
(56:48):
it's about these mental attitudes that could improve the happiness
planet Earth. And and so I mean that's sort of
a weird.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Get. Among the grays.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
The females are very they're they're there, they're the they're
the Uh, they lead the they lead the species. And
the males are much more passive. I mean I've known
those families, some of them, and they're you know, a
woman might have quite a few different males in our
life and not like us and us it's the opposite.
(57:33):
The male is more aggressive in our in our in
our in our chemistry and I'm saying our chemistry, but
in in their chemistry.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
That's it's the opposite. Uh.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
But you know, we have to think of our to
ourselves of where do we go now? Because we're at
a very important inflection point. Uh, stuff is coming out.
There are billionaires that it essl and basically trying to
figure out how do we monetize this, how do weze
the soul? Yeah, I wasn't that excellent at that conference,
(58:12):
But no matter how they approached it, how they looked
at it, it was that that was what the conference
would have been about, even though they might not have
looked at it that way.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, I mean, where do we go from here? And
I guess my perspective right now is the fundamental challenges
of upology. And this trajectory is three things. Its credibility,
its leadership, you know, the leadership of individuals like yourself
and other podcasters and other people, and money, and.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
The leadership of people like you Ryan. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
Well, I mean it's right exactly, it's all of us.
We're all working together towards a better, common, happier planet,
more in harmony. I mean, everybody, every sane person can
recognize that having nukes on planet Earth is a bad
(59:12):
idea and having our environment so degraded is a bad idea.
And so you can start with the premise those premises,
and if you aren't working towards those problems, you're you're
not helping in a big way. And so that's sort
(59:36):
of you know, leadership is about just doing what you
can do, what you're passionate about, and what you can
make a difference at and and everybody has their own
capability and ability to execute on those things. But that's
my my assessment of the situation sort of right now.
(59:57):
And one of the things that I've been working on
is my software tool, our AI tool called uphodex ufo
d e x dot com, which right now has around
seven hundred and fifty thousand pages of UFO books, periodicals,
national archive material, FBI files and so forth. And it
(01:00:21):
is this giant sort of clean repository information that you
can ask any question you want about and you get
your answer in you know, twenty four hours or so
via email. But that's a tool that, as it matures
and gets bigger and more real time, can help answer
(01:00:44):
people's questions about how they can help and what the
perspective is of VTS and all the history of ufology.
So I just think more transparency, more openness, more completeness
will all help the situation in the long run.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes, I understand that, and this is where we have
to go, and we have to find we have to
find a meeting ground between the people and on the
inside and the people on the outside.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's very, very important.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
We can't have a situation where the people on the
inside are basically teaming up with an isolated group of
very wealthy individuals to try to control the situation and
to try to exploit it in any way.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That they can't. It has to be better. We have
to do better than that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And to me, that means that the ordinary person has
got to have a direct has got to have direct
access to this information. And also that when people have
a people should be able to build a relationship with
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this cosmic presence because after all, it's about us. Where
we are right now in terms of our history is
we're either going to die out or we're going to
become a cosmic species.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Over fifty one hundred years, that's going to happen, and
it's going to be very very real, like on a
daily basis, more and more every single day. So I
want to thank you for being with us Ryan, Ryan
Woods books UFOs who Knows, and his magic eyly his
(01:02:40):
website Magic Eyes only dot com and his engineering, his
fusion energy website Electrifusionsystems dot com. Follow Ryan and Ryan's
work because it's very important stuff and he's a quiet,
general but very determined man who's been is a long
(01:03:00):
time and followed in his father's footsteps. Thank you Brian
for being with us on Dreamland.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Thank you Willie, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Is Tan Streeber.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I'm Whitley Streamer, your host for Dreamland.
This is Whitney Streeber and this is Dreamland.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You have reached the edge of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today on Dreamland we have someone who has been at
this a long time. Is a genuine expert, highly accomplished
UFO researcher, who is also at the absolute cutting edge
of what's going on right now. And I've never interviewed
him before on this show. His or his dad, who
(00:34):
is now two ladies passed on. We have Ryan Wood
with us. Ryan is the author of Magic Eyes Only
and a number of other books, including UFOs who Knows,
which we'll be talking about extensively today. But more importantly,
he's literally is at the cutting edge. And Ryan, I
(00:55):
would very much like to welcome you to Dreamland and
thank you for coming in to spend.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Some time with us.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh, it's great to be here, Whitley, and I'm glad
we got a chance to meet at the Sole Foundation
briefly and then follow up and do this interview. I
think it'll be really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Sole Foundation, Folks who don't know about this, this
is a foundation that was founded at associated indirectly with
Stanford University by Gary no One, doctor Gary Nolan, whose
name everybody knows and doctor Peter scafe Issue is also
(01:33):
at Stanford and very interested in the UFO phenomenon and
UFP phenomenon, but less well known, but a wonderful man anyway,
and also much more friendly to close encounter witnesses and
experiences than most of the Sole Foundations. I'm not allowed
to speak at the Sole Foundation because I'm a close
(01:54):
encounter witness. Most of the of the people who uh
spoke at the Foundation will not come on this show
because they don't want to be tarred by the close
encounter brush.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So thank you on behalf of all of the close
encounter witnesses who watch and listen to this show, and
also the people who take an interest in it for
coming and goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Admiral Tim Galladatt and.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Many others that the who were spoke at the count
it's not one of them even replied.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And you know, they've gotta they gotta get used to us,
because this can't be done by authority figures who aren't
in the experience. Ultimately, it's going to come down to
the close encounter witnesses and the visitors and the people
who are willing to engage with us to try to
(03:00):
us and say no, no, we don't want those people involved.
We just want the government people involved and the official
people involved. There's a big There was a big convocation
at the Escellent Institute a bit a while ago that
involved a lot of billionaires, and they bought out the
(03:23):
whole Essellent Institute for a few days, and they invited
only people that they thought would have some kind of
authoritative locomotion in this right, but they do not know
the grace very very deceptive and very effective. They're going
to do it their way no matter what we think, right, Okay, Well,
(03:47):
I said, let's talk about you now and your dad.
You got into this at an early age. I mean
I remember you and your dad working on this many
years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean my father's sort of history Doctor
Robert Wood, who was a PhD physicist who graduated from
Cornell and worked at Douglas Aircraft Company and then McDonald
ig List and then Boeing for his forty three years.
(04:18):
One day, I think in nineteen sixty six or so,
his boss came into his office and then said, what
are we going to do for the retirement of General Shreeber,
which was a general that specialized in rockets and whimsically
he said, well, why don't we tell him how the
UFOs do it? And his boss said, sure, go work
(04:41):
on that, and so he suddenly read fifty UFO books
and made some conclusions, and then he was giving a
briefing to his management at Douglas Aircraft Company. And after
the briefing of the president, don let's ask him, well,
(05:02):
you know what have you been doing for fun Bob?
And he said, well, I've read fifty UFO books and
there's only one question left, and what's that? And he said, well,
are we going to figure out how gravity works before
or after Lockeye does? And there was some pregnant pause,
(05:22):
and then they said, well, you know, how much money
do you want to try to figure that out? And
he said, well, I want a half million dollars, which
was about you know, five million dollars today or something,
and so they gave him the money and for the
next a couple of years they worked hard on trying
to figure out gravity control. But they also interviewed abductees
(05:46):
and experiencers the instrument a vans and went out to
the Mohave Desert tried to collect data, and they did
theoretical work and so forth. This was all the boys
in the back room work for the next two or
three year And subsequently Stan Friedman, a famous graybeard in eufology,
which you certainly knew and I did too. Oh well, yeah, exactly,
(06:12):
and he came home to dinner one time when I
was like fifteen years old, and so I got a
little brief exposure to ufology then, and then sort of,
you know, I went on my way in life, and
it wasn't until oh maybe nineteen nineties, early nineties that
(06:36):
my father and I connected again and started working diligently
on authenticating the majestic documents. So that's how I came
into this field. I mean, never had any experiences. I've
been an analyst sort of an intellectually curious person in
the field and you know, try to do what I
(06:57):
can do to contribute to its progress.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So you you didn't ever work at McDonald douglas.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
No. I had started off working at Intel Corporation as
a new college graduate, and then Digital Equipment Corporation, and
then a couple of Silicon Valley startups in medical imaging,
and then ultimately moved to Colorado with a company and
(07:27):
energy conservation, and I started Frontline Aerospace, which for fifteen
years I focused on drones and energy conservation. And now
I'm the CEO of Electric Fusion Systems, which we're working
on small scale fusion in a roller bag sort of environment,
(07:48):
a different approach to a radiation free portable fusion power electricity.
So that's my day job. My a hobby is upology.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's quite a day job. Incidentally, folks, if you hear
banging in the background, the buildings that we came very
close to being burned down a few weeks ago, and
all of everyone around here is retrofitting their structures for
fire suppression, and so all of everyone has people up
(08:24):
on their roofs trying to do that, and you'll hear
some of that banging and hopefully if it won't get
too loud. But if I didn't do that, it'll be
like this for weeks. Okay, you mentioned a moment ago
the presence of abductees and closed encounter witnesses in this
(08:49):
whole mix, and what I'd like to do is to
ask you where they fit in, because, as I said earlier,
they're not being fitted in proper anymore. They may have
been in the past, but not now. But before we
go there, folks, I think we're gonna we're just about
to find out something quite extraordinary here, and we're gonna
(09:11):
take a little break and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (10:03):
We're talking to Ryan Wood is most recent book UFOs
Who Knows Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And we will be talking about that, and don't worry
about holding it up.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It'll be up.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You know, we have the video editor will put a
copy of it up when I'm talking about it, so
you don't need to worry about holding it up. Okay,
all right, you know this podcast has been going on
for a long time, and you can be assured it's
a completely professional operation. In any case, there's a book
(10:39):
by Grant Cameron called UFO Skypilots. Are you familiar with
that book at all?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, okay, well, let me tell you what it is.
It's a compilation of statements by close encounter witness who's
who have flown UFOs hm hm. And it's so extensive
(11:08):
that I have to believe that something like that might
have happened. And can you tell us what you know
about any any involvement of close encounter witnesses in the
whole gravity research program.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, I guess my approach to gravity research has been
trying to figure out the origin point of the reverse
engineering and technology effort, and I'm not sure it overlaps
(11:53):
much in the way of interfacers so far as what
I've known. What I've there was it's a huge smattering
of newspaper articles in the fifties that highlighted many different corporations,
from the Glen Martin Company to Sperry Gyroscope, to Lear
(12:18):
to Northrope to many of these early people and I've
actually traced back the first article to nineteen fifty one
where Dudley Clark had a group of scientists out in
(12:41):
the Coachella Valley in Palm Springs with some six million
dollars down of dirt road working on unquote gravity insulators.
And then I've looked through a lot of different people
as well. One of the key lynchpins organizations is what's
(13:07):
called the RIAS Group Research Institute of Advanced Studies that
George S. Trimble sort of founded and championed as part
of the Glenn L. Martin Company. And this guy Trimble
was the arch villain or you know, lead character in
Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point. And he's
(13:33):
been a request that people have asked him, you know,
can I talk to you about gravity control? And he's
he says, hell no, go away, don't don't talk to me.
And and recently I found Lewis Whitten, another physicist of
that era in the RIAS Group who's one hundred and
(13:55):
two years old, living in a nursing home in Maryland,
and had a a personal introduction to him and an
email exchange with him, and he said the same thing.
He said, Hell no, I can't talk to you about
all gravity control at all. So this is a long
winded answer to say that I think that our science
(14:16):
human beings figured out gravity control. I would say in
nineteen sixty plus or minus two years. And then I
went into a lot of other research, which is a
separate presentation really about what sort of sightings and events
support the nature of gravity control and manipulation. But I'm sorry,
(14:40):
I don't have anything directly related to interfacers that highlight that,
do you.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I'm sorry, I'm muting my mic. While right, of course
it was just a slight bit of banging, but now
as soon as we start talking, it sounds like they're
actually tearing down the place next door. Any case, well,
what I want to do is you you mentioned that
(15:12):
we may have already got gravity control, and you know
the question of what gravity is. I'm not alone and
having been in a UFO among close encounter witnesses, and
I can describe part of the experience very clearly, and
it's important it's related to this. It is that even
(15:34):
though I could see, there was little windows that were
sort of they weren't big, but I could see out
of them. And as we returned to the place in
the woods that we had started from. It looked like
the world outside was moving around, and the thing was
as steady and still as a living on them, and
(15:57):
that was because it had its own gravity. You know,
if you go into a movie, in an old movie,
and you you watch a pilot's up view of a
dog fight, the world of the cockpit is just still
and steady because you're basically sitting in a movie there
(16:18):
and the world outside is moving around, and so it's
But if you were actually in the plane, it would
look different. However, when you're in a UFO, it's absolutely
it has its own gravity, and therefore it's not connected
in some way to this universe. And if that's true,
(16:40):
I think it's not just gravity control. It's the creation
of a whole different realm of reality when you turn
something like that, all, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, there's discussions of
what is manipulating inertia? Is an manipulating time? Are you
inter dimensionally somehow twisted? It's definitely a different, different thing,
And I guess i'd draw a distinction between a real
(17:13):
extraterrestrial craft and our own man made craft, which may
be more crude or less sophisticated in its capabilities. And
that's actually one of the key areas where I'm doing
(17:34):
remote viewing targets on several of these early cases in
sixty four and sixty six and maybe some other cases
that are back into the fifties where it's clear that
there's human beings, you know, with military uniforms on, that
(17:54):
are operating these craft rather than grays or Pladeans or
Nordics or others.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, there's a big human factor here, and it's so
secret though, so secret. I mean, you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And I've inquired of people who have who have done
this kind of research, and they get belligerent. They don't
just you know, mostly when you're when you're trying to
find something out from somebody who has a clearance in
some area, they're pretty nice about it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But these guys are not. I mean, that's it basically
go away.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm not you know that it's almost like something is
watching them from the inside.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Mm. Yeah, well, I'm sure that you know. The greatest
secret on planet Earth, in my opinion, is gravity control,
and that somebody has it, either outside the military industrial
complex or some sort of breakaway civilization or some sort
of different group that may be in partnership with some
(19:02):
faction of alien presence. But that's the ultimate secret, because
that is free energy, that is disruption of the planet.
That is the solution to our fundamental problems of ecology
and getting rid of the nukes and uplifting humanity to
(19:28):
as Stan Friedman used to say, join the cosmic Kindergarten
long long ago. And so that along with low cost
portable fusion, is two technologies that I think could be
have positive transformational trajectory for planet Earth to allow us
(19:54):
to sort of again join the cosmic Kindergarten and have
a more open dialogue with the alien presence, a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
More open dialogue because right now it's very closed.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And as I found out that I have found out,
and as this emerges into some of the people from
behind the scenes are emerging into the public space. They
want to they want that door to stay closed. They
don't they want to tell the public what's going on,
(20:32):
But they don't want us in the room. They don't
want us in the room.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I agree, they don't want I mean, there's so
many negative implications or unknowable implications for some form of
high quality disclosure, so to speak on disclosures such a
huge question mark as to what that is and when
(21:00):
it entails.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, what would high quality be? That's a question, and
I want to let's open up, let's unpack that a
little bit. What would you say, how would you describe
high quality disclosure?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well, I mean it's a it's a continuum, really, I mean, uh,
we're not alone in the universe. Everybody goes, okay, yawn,
I get that, but well Roswell's real, Well can we
see the bodies? Well, no, you can't, but okay, two
years later they say, here they are. Well, did you,
(21:32):
guys do any biological or viralogical analysis of their blood?
Have you created any bio weapons? Have you figured out
any reverse engineering technologies? Like Colonel Corso advocated and well, no,
you can't see those, but yeah, we did some and
and this is sort of titrates it all out, and
(21:55):
then let alone going to the really nasty stuff like uh, oh,
you've got time travel and all your religions, I mean,
Jesus and Mohammad and all these people are basically aliens
and they're manipulating global society, and or you've got gravity
and the whole world economic system is turned on its
(22:17):
head in a negative way potentially. So there's so many
different ways you could and my book The ai Ufologist
talks a little bit about that. You know, how do
you go about managing the transparency aspect and the disclosure aspect.
(22:39):
How do you juggle this to sort of ty trade
out a reasonable process with minimum disruption for society? And
it's it's the pull of bnd aid off or or
sort of absorb the slow drip drip drip.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, yeah, and the course pulling the band aid off.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It results in what they call onological shock, which is
a shock of the new. And in my book The
Fourth Mind, the the one that's just recently out, I say,
at one point people always say, oh, sure, we're ready,
but well for what we don't know what it is
(23:26):
we're supposed to be ready for, so we're actually not ready.
And these the insiders hold the cards very close to
their chest. And even though if you go on Ross
Coultart or any of these other shows, you see one
supposed insider after another coming out, but.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
They're not really doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They're only they're only they're only feeding us an awareness
of the fact that there's something real there, and there's
a sense of some kind of a conflict going on
and a feeling in my on my side because I
live with the visitors. I'm They're a huge part of
my life. I couldn't write a word without my relationship
(24:11):
with them. It's that deep.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm told that sit here and listen to these people
talking about shooting them and shooting them like shooting the
little the little Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
We were talking about this on the air just before
we started, folks, and I just want to hear this
out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Jake Barber talks about shooting them and uh, okay, that's
what he shoots. What the only ones we ever get
close to are the little short ones and three feet
tall that are biomechanical.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They don't have reproductive organs. And I know a lot
about them because I describe them in detail in my book.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And but here's the thing. He said they were like
meat puppets. I'm sorry, they're not. They have brains bigger
and more complex than our own. It's true that they
are not independent entities like a human being, are like
one of the five foot tall grades. But they still matter,
(25:18):
and shooting them matters. It matters, and these people represent us,
but we have no voice in the policies that are
that are behind what they do.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, it seems kind of silly. I mean, I suspect
that they have lots of examples of the biology and
the people. Why do they need any more? And you
know they've got plenty to work on. I think, you know,
the directive should not be to engage or shoot down
any of this. It's it's more, you know, you have
(25:58):
plenty to work on already. So I suppose they're always
trying to find more data. But I just think it's silly.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's possible to interact with the Grays very fully without
shooting them down, because I and many close encounter witnesses
do this all the time. And I know they have
people behind the scenes that they call variously psionics or
intuitives that can do it too, But the way they
(26:29):
do it is totally it doesn't seem to me to
be the right way. And let's take another break. We're
talking to Ryan Wood his latest book, UFOs, who knows
he is the author of one of the great classics
of this field, Magic Eyes Only, And we're going to
(26:52):
be talking about both of those books.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
As we move along, We'll be right back. Hi.
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Speaker 1 (29:22):
We're talking to Ryan would his website Magic Eyes Only,
Magic Eyes Only, and it is a beautifully laid out
website where you can learn around Ryan's work, at least
his UFO work, not so much about his other work,
which I want to talk about a little bit right now.
(29:43):
You described what would be conceivably the most revolutionary energy
change in energy delivery in the history of manpond and
you're working.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, I am, and with this. So there are we're
members of the Fusion Industry Association, which is a global
organization of all the fusion companies, and there's forty three
companies in the world working on fusion nuclear fusion, and
(30:19):
three of them, or actually I think four are what's
called ananeutronic or without neutrons, without radiation fusion approaches. The
rest generate neutrons and fusion. They can be shielded and
so forth. But that's our focus and our fundamental breakthrough
(30:39):
is this low cost fusion fuel, which is a combination
of lithium, ammonia and noble gases in this heavy ridberg
matter liquid condensate that gets gets fused with electrical arcing
in a small pressure rised vessel, you know, the something
(31:02):
the size of a large beer can with the switching
power supply and some way to extract it. But the
key breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Is in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Quantum tunneling and frustrated tunneling and reduced coolo mixed repulsion,
which is the nemesis of of how you smash atoms
together is that they don't want to go together at all.
They they want to repel, and so if you can
(31:39):
sort of these ridberg atoms are actually much larger electron
clouds that have much higher principal quantum numbers, and therefore
they they interact with each other in a different novel
way that allows magnetic and electrical fields to be a
(32:00):
more sensitive. So that was a long technical dialogue about
sort of technically how we do it, but my website
electric Fusion Systems dot com, you know, explains this all
in detail. But we're right on the verge of being
really weird and not accepted by mainstream science because although
(32:22):
we have a lot of papers and supporting information, pending
patents and so forth, we are not mainstream in our approach.
And it's a much longer dialogue as to how and
why we are our team came to this technology, but
(32:46):
we think we're of succeed if we can get the
you know, three million bucks that we need to sort
of push the envelope and and get it done in
less than a year. So that's sort of where we're at.
I mean, as usual, we're a struggling startup.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well, you know, isn't that a familiar story though?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A startup with a fascinating approach, a creative approach, and
mainstream science putting a heavy hand on its progress. And
this is this is something and what what you described,
you obviously know a good bit about what you're doing,
(33:33):
but it doesn't fit a series of assumptions that the
same mindset that assumed that rocks couldn't fall out of
the sky was a ridiculous idea, and that assumed that nothing,
no voice could ever be transmitted across the air, across
(33:56):
a distance any farther than someone could shout. That same
mindset is still holding us back right, more powerful now
than it ever was before, for a simple reason. The
amount of money that's necessary that you just mentioned is
often very substantial. And the the so you know you're steyning,
(34:27):
isn't there anyone out there who's willing to take anyone
with money willing to take a risk? I know that
there's lots of billionaires out there nowadays, more than we
should have probably, but.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I won't see them willing to take this kind of risk. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
The objections to funding are around having a high quality
white paper or peer reviewed papers, or fi ending subject
matter experts in fusion that said that, well, this is interesting.
This looks like as a reasonable chance of succeeding. Even
(35:08):
though it's sort of outside the mainstream approach, the potential
positive impact on uplifting humanity is huge and relatively non destructive.
I would say it's less less turmoil than gravity control,
(35:32):
you know, and and so you basically can suck water
out of the air and and you know, green the
desert or make food anywhere, or you know, eliminate a
lot of the You can put in the back of
a tesla or electric car and they suddenly go a
(35:52):
million miles. So it's huge applications that are all positive.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, I think it's a.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Taste and environmentally it will be tremendously helpful to you know,
what did the ETS care about? As you've mentioned before
in your podcast, you know, get rid of the nukes,
clean up the environment, feed everybody, educate everybody, and improve
the standard of living for everybody. And when you do that,
(36:21):
you can join the cosmic kindergarten. Sort of my assessment
of the situation. Uh, you know, it may not be
a cosmic kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Night.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
A couple of weeks ago, we had a show on
Dreamland where the the gentleman who was there showed image
after image of artifacts on the Moon and Mars that
had been airbrushed out by NASA. Ah, that means that
(36:56):
we have a we have a past.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We're not allowed to know about it. And what can
that be?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Why would why would something that's hit the very least
thousands and maybe many more, many more years old be
so secret that NASA has to air brush it out
on the Moon and Mars.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, so, who the hell are we? Right? And you
know you're trying to.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Do something that would revolutionize the human experience.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's not a small thing, but uh.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You're like pushing against a wall that you can't get through.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, you know, we just keep pushing, is my does
just keep going?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And that's what we have to do. Now. I want
to get onto your books.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Magic Eyes Only Ryan is one of the great classics
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You don't need to hold it up. We'll hold it up.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, just yeah. I started it in two thousand and
five at the Crash Retrieval Conference and it was, as
you mentioned, the classic. It had seventy four crashes from
around the world from eighteen ninety seven to present. Jim Mars,
(38:24):
the late Jim Mars wrote the forward for that book,
and I recently updated it about a year ago, and
it had one hundred and four crashes from around the world.
Expanded it and added more, and I left three or
four on my desk because I just needed to get
the book done. So I felt, you know that after
(38:50):
you know, starting out in two thousand and three with
the UFO Crash Retrieval Conferences, which ran for seven years.
I think that you attended some of them. I can't remember.
You may have spoken at one and David Rush shows up,
you know, you know, last summer or the summer of
(39:11):
twenty three and says the world, yeah, there really are
crash retrievals and we were like eighteen years ahead of time.
And I'm I'm excited about my book, you know, Magic
Eyes Only, and it's a it's a tremendous compendium of
(39:31):
cases and this they have varying quality and sophistication. And
many people have written whole books on Kecksburg or shag Harbor,
or Roswell or Braxton County or Cape Girardo. And so
I'm just trying to synthesize those down to you know,
anywhere from one page with a you know, intriguing witnesses
(39:55):
or articles to you know, ten pages where you have
a lot of information. And uh so that's that's the
focus of Magic Eyes only.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, let's talk about a couple of those.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Let's talk first about Kexburg, Kexsburgh, Kexburg, Kexsburg, because that's
a that's an absolutely fascinating case.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's very well documented. Can you tell us a little
bit about that and Kexbert something happened in Kexburgh, Pennsylvania, folks.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, so, uh this acorn typecraft came in and crashed
and scraped along the ground. And Stan Gordon is the
primary investigator, has written a book on on this case.
And Leslie Keene as well has done some research on
(40:46):
NASA FOYA documents related to this. And it comes in
the the guy the name of I think John Murphy
was a local reporter and photographer, came and took a
(41:07):
bunch of pictures, and then the military showed up and
confiscated his his film. However, I believe that he actually
palmed the film off into a one pocket and gave
them basically blanks. And he mysteriously died in Ventura County
(41:30):
in a drunken head on with a Volkswagen bus that
he was in. And then the toxicology report is suddenly
missing from Ventura County, and and and when I had
some remote viewers target the actual event, Uh, he was murdered.
(41:54):
But nonetheless that's sort of a sidebar. But the point
is that he had this crash. Uh, you have writing
and hieroglyphics on the side, there's a bunch of pictures,
cordoned off. Military take it all away. It's a classic event. Yeah,
everything sort of you know, there's crashes, there's some witnesses,
(42:15):
they cordoned off the area, the military carts of the way,
and it's difficult to find anything more about it. And
that's sort of the universal motif of crash retrievals.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and it's it's extremely frustrating.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
You know, I'm very familiar with the Grosswell incident because
one of my uncles was involved in it, and my
listeners know all about this. I'm not going to go
into it again, but just suffice to say he was
at attached the Air Material Command in at right field
when the debris and bodies are brought in.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And so it's a.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Family affair in my life and the me that they
look into the craft that they had and there was
nothing in it, no system. And I wonder if there's
any information any queer about propulsion systems that you've come
across in your journey through this whole field, not just
(43:16):
crash for peoples, but you and your dead have been
deep into this on a lot of different levels.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So any there's some of the Majestic documents, for example,
the on Majesticdocuments dot com website. There's the White Hot Report,
which is a September of forty seven which describes the
neutronic power plant. It has ten different bullet points about
(43:44):
what the materials are inside this propulsion power plant as
well as this. It was twenty five page report all
about the event and what they learned through the whole
summer of seven trying to analyze the the craft. And
(44:06):
so I would urge you people to read that because
that's it's a fascinating read, and it's actually one of
the higher quality, more authentic, majestic documents. But I'll read
one quote from UFOs who knows that was relevant to
what you said earlier. This is from Brigadier General Arthur E.
X On. We heard the material was coming to right Field.
(44:29):
It was brought into our material evaluation labs. I don't
know how it arrived, but the boys who tested it
said it was very unusual. I mean it's sort of
you know, so so comment.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But he was a family friend, right Oh, he was
for you. We talked extensively about this for a couple
of hours.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Actually, well you probably know a lot more. But that's
the you know, there's just an example of somebody who
ran right Patterson Air Force Base at the Air Material Command.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Generally it's the new ill. Well, I'm not going to
be coy about it. He held I've said it before,
he held one of the bodies in his arms.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. And he was as.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Late as nineteen eighty eight, he was still consulting with
people at right Now who were working on this. Because
it was always pencils up in his day, nobody left
any written records of what they were talking about, and
then the Air Force put it about. He started to
get too talkative, and the Air Force, unfortunately, I introduced
(45:41):
him to Stan Friedman and I told Stan next thing
I knew, stuff had appeared like you just read, and
he ended up it was put about that he had
Alzheimer said.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Alzheimer's I don't think he did. He may have.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I don't know, because it reached a point where I
couldn't communicate with him anymore either nobody could. And the
last thing I heard from him, he says, I think
my phones are.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Bugged, right, you know it's and so there's many quotes
in UFOs who knows from Obama's coy response on Larry
King that you know who's really in charge? Well, the
(46:36):
ets don't want us to tell the truth about what's
going on, and to things like Ben Rich, the head
of lockeyat Skunk Works for fifteen years, saying we know
how to take et home. We found a mistaking the
equations and we can now travel to the stars in
(46:57):
his retirement speech in nineteen ninety three, or Edgar Mitchell's
comments where you know there's there's clearly been crash hardware
and and people in the government know about this.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, it's a whole.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
We talked about it extensively privately, but trying to get
him say a darned thing on a radio TV show,
forget it.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah. And what's interesting about who knows is that we
we have these categories. We did astronauts, we did religious leaders,
we did military, we did presidents, we did uh, government leaders.
We did a lot of work on celebrities. Uh and
the celebrities comments. I mean, so we wanted to give
(47:47):
a good cross section of people, to allow the public
to engage with the people that they feel comfortable with.
You know, don't believe in military leaders, but boy, I
in fact that Katy Perry said something about Ufosa Hey
or or Lebron James or or Cassius Clay or you know,
(48:12):
these other people that people resonate with. And so it
was my attempt, along with my co author Anthony de Lorenzo,
to improve the credibility of the field. And that was
the focus of what I were trying to do, is
to just engage more people and up the credibility of euthology.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
The credibility of euthology of celebrities. When I went on
the Johnny Carson Show many years ago for Communion. I
was warned by my publicist that I was probably going
to be taken down because could be pretty brutal if
(48:59):
you wanted to be. And so I thought, well, you know,
I've been beaten up so much. I don't care anymore,
you know, I just there was a horrible experience to
go out there with the community. So I'm sitting in
the green room waiting and he comes in and he says,
and if this was rare, he rarely went into the
green room apparently, And he says, well, I want to
(49:20):
tell you a story. And he tells a story. He's
sitting out on his deck at his home in Malibu
with his wife and he sees they see a UFO
circle the house, silver UFO, just as clear as day.
And then I go on the show and I'm on
the show for half an hour and he's incredibly nice
(49:41):
to me. And I thought to myself, thank you guys
for the help, because you saved me from an agonizing
experience and really pushed the book because that's what put
the that's what put Communion on the map more than
anything else I did. So that gets me to this,
(50:03):
Where are we in terms of our relationship here? Because
we've got people in the on the secret side of
this now admitting they're shooting. They're in a shooting war.
They're shooting them now, and then people like me and
so many other close encounter witnesses out there saying let's
do this, let's have a relationship, and people like you
(50:27):
watching everything and trying to keep a good perspective on them.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
And it's that perspective I want to talk about right now.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
No, do this in a way that it actually helps
mankind instead of the fractured mess that we're in right now.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, well, that is the big big challenge is that
I guess in the past twenty years, we've had an
increasing way awareness of the extraterrestrial presence in our media
and our movies and more and more exposure to it.
(51:10):
So it's certainly far less shocking today than it was,
you know, in the fifties or sixties or seventies. So
to some extent that's been a positive trend. The question
is do you want to how accelerate that trend and
how to do that? How to increase transparency and trust
(51:31):
in our government by telling the truth and I guess
it has to be done delicately and a little bit
at a time. They could start by saying, you know, yeah,
Roswell was a real event, and then try to manage
(51:56):
the aggressive attack of the ass to try to dig
more and more and more and more and feed them
a little bit at a time to sort of let
it come out so that there's less anxiety about it.
(52:18):
But it's a complicated matter as to, you know, how
to do this, and and there's probably lots of different
competing approaches within the government as to what to do
(52:38):
and how to say it. But I'm struggling a little
bit with you know, a good script or a good
prescription of to respond. What do you think, I mean,
how do you think it should be done?
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well? I think that there is a.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
There is a desire to hold their clinging. The authorities
are clinging to something that they really can't can't hold
on to that. It's it's like clinging to dust or something.
They don't know what they have here. Well, like for example,
(53:25):
in Jake Barbara's interview with Russ Coulthard, he describes at
one point, as he is attempting to retrieve this egg
shaped object that something came out of it and went
into him.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
And possessed him and is still inside him.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
And it is a very feminine, angelic, beautiful energy. Now,
what he doesn't know is that many an abduct tea,
including this one, can tell you exactly what happened. That
mustn't that was an attempt to reduce his hostility.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
In other words, this was this was He thinks of
it as a being. It probably is in some sense
of being, and it's not a part of him. But
what he doesn't understand is that this is it's not technology,
it's we don't even have a word for it. It's
(54:20):
spiritual structure that comes into him and changes him from
a basically a hostile warrior into something very different and
sends him on the spiritual search he's on right now,
right now.
Speaker 6 (54:41):
This is what they can't get their heads around. They
want this to be basically like us, only they're in UFOs.
It's not like us at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's it's a it's a very complicated
you know, you wonder I mean, I remember Chet Snow's
title of his book, mass Dreams of the Future.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Book.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, tell us give us some of your thoughts about well.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
I mean I just triggered the thought was, how do
you help humanity sort of get less militaristic and less
aggressive and less Uh, you know what this spiritual entity
you know or thing came into this barber's being is
(55:44):
is to somehow influence the dreams or perceptions of lots
of human beings. I mean, there's lots of ways to
be interfaced, I guess, either physically or mentally or in
your dreams. And you know, there's a crop circle for melatonin.
(56:05):
You know, should everybody be taking melatonin to improve the
quality of their sleep and therefore their telepathic and esp
ability or their receptiveness to positive things. Or you could
take it a totally different way and say, no, I've
heard that. You know, some ets have said the problem
(56:28):
with humanity is the ratio of men to women is off.
It's a fifty to fifty right now, but it really
should be five x female and one x male, because
the females are more empathetic, they're more consider it, they're
less warring dot dot dot. It's not about procreation, but
(56:48):
it's about these mental attitudes that could improve the happiness
planet Earth. And and so I mean that's sort of
a weird.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Get. Among the grays.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
The females are very they're they're there, they're the they're
the Uh, they lead the they lead the species. And
the males are much more passive. I mean I've known
those families, some of them, and they're you know, a
woman might have quite a few different males in our
life and not like us and us it's the opposite.
(57:33):
The male is more aggressive in our in our in
our in our chemistry and I'm saying our chemistry, but
in in their chemistry.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
That's it's the opposite. Uh.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
But you know, we have to think of our to
ourselves of where do we go now? Because we're at
a very important inflection point. Uh, stuff is coming out.
There are billionaires that it essl and basically trying to
figure out how do we monetize this, how do weze
the soul? Yeah, I wasn't that excellent at that conference,
(58:12):
But no matter how they approached it, how they looked
at it, it was that that was what the conference
would have been about, even though they might not have
looked at it that way.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, I mean, where do we go from here? And
I guess my perspective right now is the fundamental challenges
of upology. And this trajectory is three things. Its credibility,
its leadership, you know, the leadership of individuals like yourself
and other podcasters and other people, and money, and.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
The leadership of people like you Ryan. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
Well, I mean it's right exactly, it's all of us.
We're all working together towards a better, common, happier planet,
more in harmony. I mean, everybody, every sane person can
recognize that having nukes on planet Earth is a bad
(59:12):
idea and having our environment so degraded is a bad idea.
And so you can start with the premise those premises,
and if you aren't working towards those problems, you're you're
not helping in a big way. And so that's sort
(59:36):
of you know, leadership is about just doing what you
can do, what you're passionate about, and what you can
make a difference at and and everybody has their own
capability and ability to execute on those things. But that's
my my assessment of the situation sort of right now.
(59:57):
And one of the things that I've been working on
is my software tool, our AI tool called uphodex ufo
d e x dot com, which right now has around
seven hundred and fifty thousand pages of UFO books, periodicals,
national archive material, FBI files and so forth. And it
(01:00:21):
is this giant sort of clean repository information that you
can ask any question you want about and you get
your answer in you know, twenty four hours or so
via email. But that's a tool that, as it matures
and gets bigger and more real time, can help answer
(01:00:44):
people's questions about how they can help and what the
perspective is of VTS and all the history of ufology.
So I just think more transparency, more openness, more completeness
will all help the situation in the long run.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes, I understand that, and this is where we have
to go, and we have to find we have to
find a meeting ground between the people and on the
inside and the people on the outside.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's very, very important.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
We can't have a situation where the people on the
inside are basically teaming up with an isolated group of
very wealthy individuals to try to control the situation and
to try to exploit it in any way.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That they can't. It has to be better. We have
to do better than that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And to me, that means that the ordinary person has
got to have a direct has got to have direct
access to this information. And also that when people have
a people should be able to build a relationship with
(01:02:02):
this cosmic presence because after all, it's about us. Where
we are right now in terms of our history is
we're either going to die out or we're going to
become a cosmic species.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Over fifty one hundred years, that's going to happen, and
it's going to be very very real, like on a
daily basis, more and more every single day. So I
want to thank you for being with us Ryan, Ryan
Woods books UFOs who Knows, and his magic eyly his
(01:02:40):
website Magic Eyes only dot com and his engineering, his
fusion energy website Electrifusionsystems dot com. Follow Ryan and Ryan's
work because it's very important stuff and he's a quiet,
general but very determined man who's been is a long
(01:03:00):
time and followed in his father's footsteps. Thank you Brian
for being with us on Dreamland.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Thank you Willie, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Dreamland is brought to you by Unknown Country and its
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Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
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