Joe tells of 'The Real Men in Black'!

 Joe is joining us from the state of Nevada, sharing his experiences with the real Men in Black that began 25 years ago, as well as his UFO sightings.

He’ll also discuss two bizarre, mysterious scars that appeared on both of his thighs after his first UFO sighting, and an incident of missing time in September 2024!

These are the Podcasts tracks you will hear 24/7, on The Un~X Network!   www.unxnetwork.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Of those areas thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither, there were seven one
good if it was anybody else above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one of golf negative. Okay,
OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, if you passed over.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I got I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
See, I passed right over the top of US.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
You just called up to me before.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying airplanes. He is to God on an
unidentified object, every liberty or call or calm on an
unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you all.
I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Our guest tonight is Joe joining us from this state
of Nevada, and he will be sharing his experiences with
the Men in Black that began twenty five years ago,
as well as his UFO sings. He will also discuss

(02:11):
two bizarre, mysterious guars that appeared on both of his
files after its first UFO sighting and an incident of
missing time in September of twenty twenty four. Joe is
up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and
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(02:32):
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much appreciated. Now on the show. Good evening and Joe,

(03:00):
welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, thank you, Nick, thank you for having me on
your program.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
It is great to have you with us. And you're
calling from the state of Nevada.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I am yeah, the Desert state.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
The Desert State but you've got snow at the minute.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I got snow at the minute.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, exactly, great stuff. Okay, now, Joe, you have some
experiences to share for us. Would you like to start
at the beginning, please, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah. So I've had I've had a few things happened
to me. The first happened to me in May of
two thousand. I was walking from my dad's house to
my mom's house, which was about a thirty minute walk,
and it was but two in the afternoon, two thirty

(03:53):
in the afternoons like that, sometime in the afternoon. The
sun was shining, and I was going for a walk,
and there's a shortcut from my mom's house to my
dad's house. There's a shortcut and it's like a it's
a little hill. It's a little pathway that you walk
up and it cuts off about forty five minutes of

(04:15):
your walk to get to my mom's house. And so
I was fairly close to the hill and I'm walking
and I see a car parked on the opposite side
of the street, and I don't think anything of it,
and so I keep walking and I notice two men

(04:36):
sitting in this car, and I just just keep walking
and the car is really dirty, like it's just filthy,
and it's an older car. It's probably twenty years old
or longer older than that maybe, And I walked past
it is across the street, is parked across the street,

(04:58):
and I walk past it, and as I'm walking, the
car starts following me. It starts following my pace that
I'm walking at. I thought, well, this is odd, so
I kind of look over and I can see the
a seal on the driver's side door that says City

(05:21):
of Reno, which I thought was weird because the city
always has real high maintenance on their cars. They always
keep them very clean, so I thought that was kind
of weird. And it keeps following me and following me,
going just at the pace I'm walking at, so it's
not going very fast. And I take another peek over

(05:45):
and as I look over, there are two men, one
in the passengers seat, one in the driver's seat. They're
both wearing all black, they have black sunglasses on, and
they're looking at me as the moving. It kind of
shocks me because I don't know what to think. This

(06:07):
is kind of out of the blue. So I keep
walking and I get to this little halfway, and I
walk up the path and as I'm walking up this
short pathway, I just keep my head down. I don't look.
I just keep going up this path. At the top

(06:29):
of the path, there's like a backyard fence because there's houses,
there's like a neighborhood up there, and there's a backyard fence.
So I kind of hide behind this fence and I
sit there for a minute. I kind of get my bearings.
I wonder if they're still there, so I peek around

(06:50):
the fence. The car has now parked on the street
down below, and I look and there's these two minutes
black who are all dressed in black. One is completely
dressed in fatigues. It's all fatigues, military boots, military hat.

(07:10):
And the other one is in a black suit with
a black trench coat, which I thought was a little
strange because it was the middle of May. Towards the
end of May. I was in shorts and a T shirt,
and he had this big trench coat on, which I
thought was weird. And they both had binoculars and they

(07:31):
were looking at me. So I got just terrified and
I ran to my mom's house. I never saw him again.
I never I actually hid in the bushes because I
was curious if they were going to drive by my
mom's house, which they didn't. I never saw him again,

(07:54):
and that was in May of two thousand. A little
kind of side story to that, I would say about
three months prior, I had received a box of like
pamphlets and books and all kinds of stuff. There had
inemurracy writer in the Rino Sparks area named Jim Keith,

(08:20):
and he had passed away that year before, I believe,
in the hospital, and a friend of mine, a very
close friend of mine, knew him, kind of knew his family,
and so I don't know if it was his wife
or his girlfriend or who it was exactly, but she

(08:42):
had contacted a buddy of mine and she said, I
have all his stuff. I have all these UFO magazines,
I have oh gosh, books on mind control just you
name it, pamphlets, all kinds of stuff. And my buddy
called me up and he said, do you want it?

(09:02):
He said, because she is giving it away, and I
know you're kind of into that thing. I know you
like UFOs and stuff like that. I grew up listening
to art bell in the early nineties and mid nineties
and stuff. So yeah, I'm interested, I'll look at it.
I'll take it. I had gotten that stuff maybe about
three months before and all, and then these two men

(09:25):
in black showed up. Now I don't know exactly who
they were. I don't know if they were the Men
in Black, I don't I don't know who they were
because a lot of the stories that I've heard about
the Men in Black have been a little bit different
than what I experienced. A lot of the stories I've

(09:47):
heard is they kind of have alien features, they don't
really have human features. These guys were human for sure.
When I looked at them that second time. I looked
right at them. I have that image in my head
right now, and they were human. So I don't know

(10:08):
if it was the Men in Black or if it
was just a couple of guys. I don't know, but
it scared me, and I didn't tell anybody for oh
over ten years. At least over ten years I didn't
tell anybody, and a couple of people I did tell

(10:31):
they didn't believe me. They thought I was saying things,
so I didn't tell anybody. I haven't told this story
to a whole lot of people That's why I reached
out to you and hopefully reach out to your listeners
out there to kind of maybe get a better explanation
of who this was or who they were and was

(10:55):
it the men in black or was it somebody else
or if someone else's had a you know, similar experience
with that. The whole thing was just very bizarre, very bizarre.
They were in a city of Reno. Car that was
very dirty, like I said, older car, and but they

(11:18):
the clothes they were wearing were like brand new. They
were like just spotless. They had not a speck of
dirt on them, and they had those binoculars and they
were looking at me. And I never saw them again
after that. And then my apperiance was my first UFO sighting,

(11:42):
which was again May of it was May two thousand
and five, but it was also in May. And I
that at that point in time, one of my hobbies
was I would get a cup of coffee and go
read somewhere. I'm a big reader. So as I was

(12:03):
leaving my house, I was driving down the end of
the block and I got to the to the end
to the corner, and I looked to see if there
was any traffic and as I did, there was this
there was something bright, like like a reflection in the sky,
and so I looked up and sure enough, there was

(12:27):
this It was like chrome, like freshly polished chrome, and
it was just it was just hanging there. There was
no sound, there was no movement, it was it was
just hanging there. And I kind of looked at it

(12:47):
for a minute and I went, huh, I think that's
a UFO. And at the time, I had a'm one
of those like disposable care was in my car, and
so I said to myself, well, I'm going to take
a picture of this. So I pulled the car over,

(13:11):
got out of the car, or opened the door. As
I opened the door, it was gone. There was no trace.
It was like it was never there. There was no
tale of a propulsion system or you know, a sound
or anything like that. It just it was there and

(13:32):
then it wasn't there. And it took me a while
after that to kind of process what I saw. It was.
It was just mind boggling to me how that thing
could just stay in the air and not have a
sound or anything. And again I kept this quiet. I

(13:55):
didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell anybody, and I would
say maybe that same year. The next year, I'd say
the next year, two thousand and six. So in two
thousand and one, I had had a kidney transplant, and
I had multiple surgeries and all this other stuff. But

(14:18):
by early two thousand and two, I was all healed
up and I was done with my surgeries. And when
they do the transplant, they give you this big scar
in your stomach and everything, and so that was healing
up nicely, and I was just kind of going about
my time, about my days and stuff. I saw this

(14:38):
UFO in two thousand and five. May of two thousand
and five I saw this UFO, and that year, or
excuse me, that next year, in two thousand and six,
I have these scars on my legs on part of

(14:59):
my thigh perfect. You can't see them as much anymore,
but at the time they were very fresh, and I
would say they're about two inches long each and very
deep there. I mean, even till this day you can
there's an indentation of where they are, and that always

(15:20):
kind of bothered me a little bit. I've never had
them checked out or really kind of looked at. I've
told people about them. I've told a handful of people
about these scars, and they all kind of said the
same thing is that they, oh, those were probably the

(15:41):
straps that they strapped you down when you had a
kidney transplant. But I don't I don't believe that to
be true, because, for one, they never said that they
were going to use straps at all. And they're very
thorough when they do a kidney transplant. They tell you
everything that is going to happen in the operating room,

(16:04):
and they never said anything about straps. And the other
thing too, is if they were straps, those would have
had to have been some very harsh, harsh straps that
would have had to have had generated a lot of blood,
because these scars are very deep, and I never had
them before. I mean after the transplant, I got checked

(16:26):
out constantly by doctors because they monitor you, and those
scars were never there ever ever. And then all of
a sudden, I see a UFO in two thousand and five,
and maybe about the next year, these scars disappeared. They

(16:46):
never hurt, they were never irritating. They were just sort
of bothersome by the side of them because I didn't
know where they came from, you know, they just sort
of appeared, and so after that about two thousand and six,

(17:07):
nothing happened for quite a while until about twenty eighteen.
I was in a town outside of Carson City called Dayton,
and I was driving home and it was probably about
I don't know, eight o'clock at night, something like that,

(17:28):
eight thirty, so there was traffic on the road, but
it wasn't very heavy because everybody had gone home after work.
And I'm driving in between Dayton and Carson City, and
I'm driving and as i'm driving, there's this UFO and

(17:49):
it's it's hovering and it's just it's right off the
side of the road, and it's not really high, it's
not very high, and I can see it as I'm
driving down the highway and I'm looking at this thing,
and I'm trying to figure out what it is, and
I going it must be like a generator or because

(18:10):
it was very brightly lit. It was. The shape of
it was it had a saucer top, had a saucer top,
and then had like a pillar going down the bottom
of it in the middle of the saucer going was
on the bottom, and then it had these squiggly lines

(18:34):
or things coming off of it. Almost looking like the
jellyfish video that came out fairly recently, and the squiggly
lines were bright pink, the shaft in the middle was
white with green lights around it, and the saucer on
top was bright pink with like neon green lights. I'm

(19:00):
looking at this thing, and I'm going, this is weird. This,
what is this? This can't be a generator, you know.
There's nothing around that. There's nothing around that needs a generator,
you know. So I keep driving, and I keep driving.
I'd be like I come closer to it, and then
I come closer to it, and I'm still trying to
figure out what this thing is, and the closer I

(19:26):
get to it, I become incredibly emotional, just like crying.
And I kept telling myself at the time, because I
had my phone, I just pull over and take a
picture of this thing, because I don't know what this is.

(19:47):
For the life of me, I could not pull over
my car. I just couldn't do it. And it was
like it was like I was in a tr I
know it sounds crazy, but I was like I was
in this sort of trance, very emotional, very emotional. And

(20:09):
I've kind of heard other stories here and there of
people becoming emotional when they experience certain UFO activity, and
that's exactly what happened to me. And I couldn't stop
the car. I couldn't take a picture from the car,
I couldn't do anything. It was just it was so overwhelming.

(20:33):
It was like my brain couldn't comprehend what was happening.
And so I kept driving. Now I'm at Carson City.
So I get on the freeway at Carson City, and
so now I'm like driving on the freeway leaving Carson
and it's all kind of hitting me. The other thing, too,

(20:55):
is as soon as I got to the freeway, my
emotions were like gone. It was just it was gone,
like I had no intentional crying or being overwhelmed. Nothing.
It was like it was like nothing, like I never

(21:17):
had an emotional experience. It was so bizarre. And I
drove home that night. It's about a thirty minute drive
from Carson City to Reno, Nevada. I just kept thinking,
what was it? What was it? In m clarity, I
said that was a UFO because I can guarantee if

(21:40):
you drove, if you drove in that area on the
highway right now today, you wouldn't want to be there,
you want to see it. And it was massive. It
was very big, very big. And again there was no sound,
there was no propulsion, there was nothing, and it wasn't moving.

(22:04):
It was just still. It was just sitting still, and
these bright colors were it was. It was overwhelming, but
it was also very mesmerizing. Like I said I described earlier,
it was kind of like I was in a trance
and I couldn't get out of it. That stayed with
me for a long even still to this day, I

(22:26):
am and of all the experiences I've had, that's one
of the most intense because well, for one, I couldn't
explain it, but I wanted to take a picture of
it so badly and I couldn't do it, And that
has that aspect of it has really sort of dumbfounded
me and very bothered me very much, you know. And

(22:51):
I just couldn't explain it, couldn't explain it. And then
just last year, September of this last year, I had
my first experience of missing time. And it was about

(23:13):
ten o'clock at night and I had had a long
day and I was stressed out and everything, and the
weather was cool outside but it wasn't cold. It was
into September, so it was kind of in that transition
stage of weather. And my brother suggested that I go

(23:34):
for a walk that might help clear my head and stuff,
and so I said, yeah, you know, that's a good idea.
I think I will. And so I went and I
started walking, and I walked to the corner of our
street and I walked around the corner. All of a sudden,

(23:55):
I felt different, you know, like, and as I looked over,
there was a sort of like there was a cinder
brick wall with a chain link fence attached to it
on top, and I thought, oh, so and So must
have gotten a new fence. I said, that's weird. I've
never seen that before. And then all of a sudden
like that, I wake up shoot two blocks away and

(24:21):
I don't know how I got there. And I remember
I was just standing. I wasn't moving. I was standing
and I I saw these lights. Excuse me, I saw
these lights. I thought, why do why does somebody have
Christmas lights up in September? You know, that's weird. I

(24:41):
kept looking. It was like it was like I was
shaking out the cobwebs and they weren't Christmas lights at all.
They were like those lights that people put on the
side of their garage to light up the driveway. I
was just standing there. I didn't know how I got there.
It's the weirdest feeling. The walk that I went on
would have taken maybe forty minutes, forty five minutes. I

(25:05):
was gone an hour and a half, almost two hours,
So I don't know how I got to that point.
I don't know. I don't know what happened. I'm I've
I've been interested in hypnotherapy. If anybody's out there that
offers that, I'm I'm interested in pursuing that, I haven't yet.

(25:30):
I've had other things going on in my life at
the moment, so I haven't been able to really focus
my time too much on that. But that is definitely
something that I would like to do. I don't know
if it was because I was stressed out and I
just blacked out, or if something happened to me, but
I was gone for a lot longer than what it

(25:53):
would have normally taken me to complete that walk I
was on, and so I don't know. I don't know
exactly what it was. You know, again, if any of
your listeners out there have had these experiences. I'd love
to hear, love to hear from them so I can

(26:15):
maybe get a better understanding of, you know, what's happened
to me, because it's you know, the scars too. I
don't know how those happened or or why, you know,
I've had I have had some paranormal experiences as well.
When my dad was dying, I was his caregiver and

(26:41):
he was incoherent at the time, but he used to
get up in the middle of the night to go
to the bathroom because that's kind of a routine, you know.
And we didn't have a flashlight, so we made wine.
We put a flashlight behind a gatorade bottle, so the
whole the whole bathroom was green. And I remember I
sat there for a while, and we had a lot

(27:05):
of people coming and going, you know, kind of paying
the respects and saying goodbye. And I never really got
to do that because I never got to talk to
him because there were so many people at the house,
so it was just him and I and I sat
there and I cried, and I just told my much

(27:25):
I loved him, you know, saying goodbye and all that
and every time I mentioned his mother, we called her
Grandma Joe. Every time I mentioned her name, the flashlight
would flicker on and off in the bathroom. And that
happened for over an hour, and I remember I went

(27:49):
to bed. I next morning, I checked the flashlight. Everything
was fine, nothing, flashlight worked, just fine. That was one
of my paranormal experiences. The other one was my dad
again was sick, and I was sitting at the counter
here in the kitchen and it was just dead silent

(28:12):
like it is now, just you could hear a pin drop.
And I had all these papers all over the counter
from hospice and different people and things like that, and
the biggest gust in the world came over and just
knocked all the papers over and into the kitchen. And
I sat there and I went out, Well that was new.

(28:35):
That was weird, you know. So I've had a few
paranormal experiences as well. Footsteps shuffling down the hallway, things
like that I've had. I've had a lot of those,
and other people have heard that too, not just me,
so I've had I've had a couple of those experiences,
but most of the experiences I've had have been more

(28:59):
into the UFO realm more into that kind of kind
of space, you know. And I just one of the
reasons why I reached out to the UFO Chronicles podcast
was because I I just want to know more about
what happened, you know. I you know, I listened to

(29:23):
different interviews and podcasts and all those kinds of things,
George Knapp and you know, all that kind of stuff,
but I never I've never really gotten any answers of
what exactly happened to me and or what could have
happened to me, you know, specifically with the Men in

(29:44):
Black and the scars experience, the two scars I have
on each one of my upper thigh, those two experiences
have really kind of nagged at me. I think about
them constantly, you know, I think about them almost every day,

(30:06):
and it's bugged me for twenty five, you know, at
least twenty five years. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (31:11):
I was telling my brother about it one night and
he suggested I reach out to somebody. He said, you know,
there's a lot of podcasts out there, and one of
them might be able to help you get some clarity
on exactly what happened or some type of explanation or possibility.

(31:32):
And I said, that's a great idea. So that's why
I reached out to you guys. Hopefully your listeners out
there can maybe identify a little bit with some of
my stories or experiences I've had, you know, provide a
little bit of more insight, if you will, for me,

(31:53):
and or maybe they can guide me into a fora
more place where I can kind of get maybe some
more answers. So those are my stories, and I appreciate
you listening to me. Appreciate you having me on the program.

(32:14):
I hope your listeners out there get to hear my story.
So that's that.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Thank you for sharing that, Joe, you did great.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh well, thank you, Nick, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
This is the thing, you know, sometimes it is difficult
to get answers for your your own personal experiences. I mean,
there's a lot of people that listen and also that
have come on the show that have similar experiences when
it comes to the men in black and people which
seem to be officially interested, you know, in this subject,
and that can range from people which have witnessed something yeah,

(32:48):
also UFO investigators. So it's very possible that in your case,
in particular, the box that you received from Jim Keith, Yes,
it could well have been something that's they may have
believed that you have received in that box, something that
possibly he could have been working on. Yeah, because it
wouldn't really be if you just handing over a box

(33:10):
of UFO and conspiracy books, it would have it would
probably have been, you know, something in particular that they
were looking for, and they could have just been monitoring
you because of that. Was there anything in the in
the box that you recall that may have been interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
There were a couple of things. There were some documents
of mind control experiments, and I read them only a
couple of times, but they talked about locations that some
of these experiences possibly might have been. And then some
of the other documents were kind of UFO based, like

(33:51):
stuff on Roswell, things like that, you know, so you know,
some of those things could have been intriguing to them
that they didn't want anybody to see or wanted them
didn't want me to have or for whatever reason. A
lot of people think that he did die in very

(34:12):
mysterious circumstances in the hospital. He had a accident at
burning Man, That's what it was. He had fallen off
of a like an art car or like it was
a stage. I think he had fallen off a stage
and got taken to the hospital here and Lino and

(34:36):
he was in the hospital like two days and he
had a heart attack and died. And so of course
there's a you know, there's a lot of speculation behind them.
I don't know if that's true or not. I don't
have any evidence of any of that. But he did
say before he passed away he had given a he

(34:57):
had written a book called black Helicopters, and he had
given a signing, he had book signing at one of
the local bookstores, and at that signing he said that
people had been I think following him now and then
there's something to that effect. It was a long time ago,
so some of those documents could have been in there

(35:18):
that they were curious about.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I mean, as he was an author and researcher of
you know, these these clandestine agencies, then yeah, I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure he would have been on the watch
list and maybe you receiving some of this, some of
his material. Yeah, they could have been a little bit
of an overflow, and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't
have just have stopped there. They would have checked you out,

(35:40):
and they would have had a good look at you,
you know, to make sure what you had received.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Mm hmm. Yeah. You know, I had always thought that after,
like I talked about on the program, you know, I
never saw him again, but I always I always had
a feeling that they kind of knew, you know, who
I was, and they checked me out, not that I
didn't see them. You know, just because I didn't see
him doesn't mean that they weren't around, you know, I

(36:07):
always kind of had that feeling of that wasn't the
only time they made a visit.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Absolutely, I experienced the same thing back in the nineties.
Oh wow, And so they definitely have had an interest.
I mean, yeah, of course, the reports from of the
men in Black they do vary. Sometimes they have strange
features and strange behavior. Other times they're just completely normal
looking people but dressed in black. I mean, we did

(36:34):
an episode. It was last year. It was I think
it was Free episode three hundred and fourteen, and that
was the Watchers are Watching And this guy had had
a UFO experience when he was younger, and he believed
that he was followed constantly for several years by this
one individual that he believed was a man in black,

(36:56):
and he took photographs of the guy and interact acted
with him the best he could. Sure, but yeah, that
happened for several several years for him.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Wow wow, So does happen Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I said, UFO investigators get it quite a lot. They
certainly did. You know in the in the early days.
I'm sure it goes on now, but of course, with technology,
everything's upgraded now, so pretty much, you know, we can
be watched. And you know, there doesn't have to be
a person's outside you at your house anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Oh no, no, absolutely not. They can. They can view
you from just about anywhere these days. There's a camera
on every corner, that's right, And.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
If you have cameras in your house, then they can
do exactly the same and they pretty much much know
every keystroke you do on your keyboard. So for sure,
that's how things have changed.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, yeah, greatly, greatly. Yeah, so yeah, it was. There
was quite an experience, and like I said, I kind
of held it close to me for a long time.
So I appreciate you letting me come on the program
and tell my story.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I have been interest. Do you still have Jim Keief's
spokes I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I don't, you know. I gotta tell you. So, before
all that happened, I had gotten this box and I
was I was really interested in it, and I had
all kinds of pamphlets in it, and like I said,
everything had all kinds of stuff in it. I used
to go through it all the time. And as soon
as this experience with the men in black happened, I

(38:25):
don't know what it was. I don't know if it
scared me, you know, half to death or whatever. But
I never looked at that box again. And I had
kept it in my garage for years and never looked
at it, never wanted to. And there was a friend

(38:47):
of a friend of my brothers who was kind of
interested in in some of that stuff and so handed
it over, handed some of that over and kind of
went through it a little bit and picked out what
he wanted and what he didn't want, and the rest
of it I threw away. So I really, I gotta
tell you, I really had a I was really fearful

(39:11):
of having that stuff in my possession. I felt like
I shouldn't have it. There was, like you were saying before,
there was something in that box of stuff that I
had received that I probably shouldn't have it. Just it
just freaked me out really bad. And so this buddy
kind of sifted through it and the rest of it.

(39:32):
I said, I'm just throwing it away. I'm getting rid
of this stuff. I don't want to have it anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
So yeah, yeah, and that's understandable. I mean, Jim was
in quite deep in this subject.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yes, yes he was.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yes, there would have been people approaching him and giving
him information tipbits and all that kind of stuff. So
it is very possible done that was something that I
had court. It was a good chance his wife wouldn't
have probably wouldn't have been aware of this. She just
made it, moved a lot of his stuff on and
his research and all that. But yeah, they were definitely
interested in him.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Like with my experience, they're obviously interested in me. Obviously
they showed up and nobody else knew about it, and
I lived with very close family members and they never
knew anybody was following me. So it's very possible that
his wife or girlfriend or whoever she might be at

(40:26):
the time, had no clue that he was being watched
or monitored.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
You know, I've always been the end of the idea
that when you know they around their monitoring you you've
seen is because they want you to know, whether it's
you know, intimidation or whatever. They're that good, you wouldn't
a lot of the time you wouldn't even be aware
of what they're up to. I remember back in the
nineties and I was living in a town in the UK,

(40:51):
and I've been researching. I had obviously before computers, so
I was storing files literally in a physical fighting cabinet,
a ton of case files where people contact to me
at the time, and I'd gone away on a case
to a different county, and I'd been gone about ten
hours or so. I revived back about it was after
midnight and my place had been broken into. Oh and

(41:12):
all the case files with names, addresses, phone numbers, sit
ins and there was a few abduction cases in there.
They were all taken. Oh my god, everything in the house.
The VHS was VHS at the time, that was there,
the TV. There was nothing taking, not that adopt think
I really had much of any value in the place
in any case, But it was just the file was taken.
And if it had been just a regular burglary, you know,

(41:35):
which wasn't unheard of in that area, then other stuff
would have been taken. The place would have been a mess,
but it wasn't. It was just a window was jimmied
up and then the files were gone and then that
was it.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
At the time, anyone that's been burgled would know it's
a horrible feeling.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Is Oh yeah, it's very violating.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh absolutely yeah, especially as I had all that information
on people, which was the worst and I kind of
looked at as if, you know, they kind of wanted
me to know someone had done this and it was
directly related to the information I had. Else you know,
they'd make it look like a normal burglary, there'd be
plant potsnocked over, sure draws, but there was nothing like that.
It was just purely the files.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
So wow.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
And this has happened to several researchers and UFO investigators
over the years. You know, all this stuff, and of
course then you've got the situations where there's mysterious deaths
and all that, especially in the case of Jim Keith.
So this stuff does go on very strange things. But actually,
prior to your experience in May of two thousand, was
there anything early on, maybe in your childhood that had happened.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
No, not that I can remember. No. I mean, I
you know, I had a lot of medical testing and
things like that, but as far as you know, sightings
or experiences or anything like that, nothing that I can remember.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
With your UFO sign in two thousand and five, you
were called the shape of the chrome object. Yeah, you
know it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I tried to look this up. It was very it
was round, but it wasn't thin or slim, It was
very bulky, and it was kind of like a rectangle
almost with very rounded edges, and then on the top
of it was like a smaller rectangle with edges on it.

(43:25):
And it was very shiny. I mean you could see
the reflection. And this was a daytime sighting, daytime sighting.
I would say, this was probably eleven o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Okay, so you had full sun and that the sun
was reflecting reflecting office, So right, yeah, and just hanging there.
How long did you do you reckon you were observing it?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I think I was probably I was probably staring at
it for three or four minutes. And the difference between
this one and the second one, this one, I wasn't
emotional at all. It was just fascination that this thing
could just sit in the air like that without making

(44:10):
a sound. I just it was mind boggling, and so
I just I just looked at it for maybe three
or four minutes before I pulled my car to THEO
and tried to get out, and it was long gone
by then, long gone.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Twenty eighteen. Now this this object, now, this this isn't
a very unusual shape. Now, if it'd been just some
kind of roadside attraction whatever. You wouldn't have had this
emotional I say connection this. Uh yeah, these emotions, these emotions.
Would you be able to maybe draw this to give

(44:47):
it to give our listeners an idea of how this
thing looks?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh sure? Oh yeah it had. It had a saucer
shape on the top, and it was like a classic
sauce look, kind of sleek, not not as square as
the first one, more in a sleek, classic look of
us of a saucer. And then it had a pillar

(45:12):
coming straight down the middle of it, and the pillar
was white with green lights on it. And then it
had these wavy sort of things hanging off the side
of the saucer and those were bright pink, and the
whole thing was just like radiating white, pink and green.

(45:38):
I mean, it was just like day glow colors. It
was just very bright. And you're right, I did get
extremely emotional when I drove past this object.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
And when you say emotional, what kind of emotions were
you feel?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
In kind of a range of emotions, I would say
at first it was sort of confusion. I don't know
what this is. My brain couldn't comprehend it. And then
that confusion kind of left led to an overwhelming and
that overwhelmingness sort of was like I wanted to cry

(46:14):
and I was very emotional, but I wasn't. It wasn't
like a panic feeling or it wasn't I wasn't scared.
It was more of like being peaceful but you know,
emotional at the same time. And then, like I said,
as soon as I got on the freeway to go

(46:36):
back home, which was probably about I don't know, fifteen
minutes away from where this object was, it was like
a light switch, Nika, just damn it just shut off,
like I had no more emotion. And that that part
of it when I was on my way home, too,

(46:56):
was intriguing. That was bizarre to me, as as emotional
as I was, it just stopped.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
And you'd think, you know, you wouldn't generally have these
these type of feelings with, you know, just some of
some objects on the side of the road. You know,
it would probably have to be given out some kind
of energy maybe for you to actually you know, feel
this way.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, I think so. You know, some of the other
UFO settings that I have heard about in the past,
is this overwhelming feeling of emotion or peacefulness or crying
or things like that, and then boom, it's just it's
it's over, you know. And you know, generally for me

(47:39):
as a person, if I get that emotional, you know,
it's going to take me a while to calm down
and kind of get myself together, you know, have a
glass of water or whatever to calm down. I didn't
need any of that, it was it was just gone.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
You know, these emotions have to see in something you know,
can be a reoccurring theme certainly. Yeah, we heard that
quite a lot on this show. And you were traveling
west from Dayton to Carlson.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yes, yeah, I was. I was traveling from from Dayton
to Carson and like I said that, there were it
was very quiet, and I just that is anybody else
seeing this? This is unbelievable, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Was it the Lincoln Freeway, Yes, I think I think
that's the name of it.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It was the highway between Dayton, Nevada and Carson City, Nevada.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
And when when you were viewing it, you're actually that
was the freeway that you're on at the time.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
It wasn't off road or any yes, no, no, I
wasn't an off road. It was a it was a
paved highway with other traffic on it.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Interesting, So to you know, to our listeners out there,
if you've seen something similar to this or along that
stretch a freeway in Nevada, you know, certainly do get
in contact. And if there is anyone out there which
possibly has any insight on any of the things that
Joe has shared of us, and they certainly get in
contact because of course, you know, we're all looking looking
for answers and sometimes someone might just have that little

(49:10):
bit of peace in the puzzle that can maybe give
us some clarity of some sort.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Joe, sure, yeah, And to clarify, it was Lincoln Highway
from from Dating the Cursion City. It was that that
that stretch right there.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Okay, wonderful we do have you know, we've got a
lot of listeners to that part of the world. So yes,
hopefully you know someone's listening and they may have seen something,
if not the same object, you know, so you know hopefully,
but yeah, certainly, if you you would maybe try and
do it, do a sketch and I'll put on the
website and people can go and certainly take a look.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
We do.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
We certainly are interested in various different designs of objects
because they you know, they do change, people see different things.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, I would be happy to do that. And you know,
with with that particular object, I had never for a
while obviously never seen anything like that, but I had
never heard anything like that. You know, a lot of
the UFO sightings, you know, were like of a saucer
shape or a triangle. There's been a lot of triangle
sightings or you know, the like the Phoenix lights for instance,

(50:16):
but this one I had never heard about. And then
I had seen the Jellyfish video, which I had seen,
oh fairly recently, and I'm not exactly sure when that
had come out, and it was an object that went

(50:36):
across a CIA black site in somewhere in the Middle East,
I'm not exactly sure where, and you couldn't see it
with the naked eye, but as soon as this particular
person turned on their heat since he'ring their camera, it

(50:56):
showed up and it just went across the base. And
I remember looking at that and saying, oh my god,
that looks that looks like the object I saw. And
the object I saw was much larger than that. It
was huge, and it was a little bit more sleek looking.

(51:18):
But that's kind of if there's any kind of description
I can kind of give to it that might be
familiar to people, that would be one of them for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, so that would have been probably the same time. Actually,
that would have been twenty eighteen. That Yeah, that was
that was an Iraq Oh yeah, over a military base.
So yeah, there's an unusual one. And I you know,
I do say that, I know people sometimes hold back
on their accounts if the object that they've seen is
strange and not in keeping with some of the more

(51:49):
classic sightings that we've had over the years. I always
say to people, you know, if no matter how strange
it is, and even if you've never heard of anything similar,
you know, certainly do it because I'm sure and certainly
in your case there are other people that would have
seen something similar and that they two maybe holding back
because it's not in keeping with the usual reports.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah. I mean I think there's you know, I think
there's a lot of different versions out there, nick of
different objects. I mean, even if you look back at
the tic Tac video, the tic Tac and the gimbal video,
or they look completely different from one another, you know,
And so I think that there's a lot of different

(52:34):
sort of types of objects out there, and like you said,
you know, if you see one out there and you
think it's very strange and you don't think it could
possibly be a UFO because no one's really reported that
kind of a saucer before, that kind of a shape before,

(52:55):
don't hold back and telling people because you never know
someone else can seen the same thing.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Absolutely, they come in all shapes and sizes.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Joe, Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, hopefully someone will you know, get any gain contact.
And then moving up to just last year, September of
last year, you're right for a walk, you know you
saw these lights.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, I went for a walk and it was nighttime.
It was about ten o'clock at night, and it was
like I just it wasn't like I blacked out. It
was more of a like trance. I was kind of
in and I saw these lights. I thought there were

(53:44):
Christmas lights. I could have sworn they were Christmas lights,
and it was like I was, kind of, like I
had said before, shaking the cobwebs out. And when I did,
I noticed they're just normal iride away lights. And I
was standing at the end of the block and I

(54:07):
had no idea how I got there. And the other thing, too,
is I when I was talking about my story on
the program, is I had talked about that cinder block
wall with a chain link fence attached to it. I've
never seen that. I've driven around the neighborhood and I've

(54:29):
never seen it. I can't find it. So I don't
know what it was. I don't know how I got
to where I was, How I got there, I don't
know it. I came home and I told my brother
I just had the strangest experience. He said, yeah, you
were gone for quite a while, and I said, yeah,

(54:51):
I didn't walk that far, you know. So I'm not
sure exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah, an hour and a half is it's aeriod of time,
all right?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah? And I wasn't tired. I if I had felt anything,
it was obviously confusion, that's for sure. But it it
was like, uh, it was like I was tired, like
I had walked further than I had. And I remember

(55:22):
walking home and I walked up a couple or another
block and then came back home. And as I was
going back home, I can remember, you know, why am
I so tired? It's it wasn't you know, really late.
It was at that point after ten o'clock, so it
was you know late, But it wasn't a tiredness of

(55:46):
like I'm sleepy. It was more of like I had
exercise or worked out or something like that.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Did you have your your cell phone on you?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
No? I didn't. I didn't I have my cell phone
on me.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I do the same thing when I got it for walks.
That's the Yeah, sometimes I just need you just need
some escapism. You know, you don't want messages coming in
and you know exactly, or your wife giving you new
task to do. But but I was going to say,
you know, if if anyone out there has experienced something,
you know, possibly missing time, and you did have your
phone on you, there is a good chance that if

(56:23):
you've got your location on it will be recorded in
the Google history of you know, places that you've gone to,
and sometimes you know, you can find out where you've
been and possibly you know, or distance travel. Yeah, yeah,
you know, sometimes we have those little devices that can
give us a little bit of information. The same goes
for like the smart watches and the you know, the exercise,

(56:46):
the garments and all things like that sometimes it can
give you a little bit of information right there. So
it's always good to have a look around because sometimes
you might get something.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, you never know. You know, it's good to have
your phone on you sometimes, you know, and or you're
a smart watch or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
But sometimes you know, we do need a little bit
of you know, a little bit of a distance.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean sometimes you know, sometimes
for me at least, I like to just zone out
and just enjoy going for a walk and not be
compelled to, you know, look at my phone or receive
a text message or something like that and just kind
of have a peaceful walk.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yeah, you're the same as medio. We've all this technology
that surrounds us these days and all this information which
you've just been pumped into us. Sometimes it's good, you know,
just to go out for a walk, separate yourself, go
out in nature. Same as me, read a book. You know,
I love just sitting down away from it all and
just just reading the book. Sometimes you know, more likely
it's going to be it's going to be on this

(57:48):
subject in any case.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
But yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
And on this walk you said you felt different.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, you know, it was like I was in it
because when I when I hit turned the corner at
the end of my street, I don't remember anything except
I turned and I saw this cement wall, the cinderblock
wall with a chain link fence. And when I looked
at that, it was like I was in this trance.

(58:17):
I was just out of it, like I was I
was somewhere else, that's for sure. I felt different. I
felt felt like I was in a trance, you know,
felt the same way when I woke up. When I
woke up, it it didn't feel like I was waking

(58:37):
up from a nap or a deep sleep. It didn't
feel like that. It felt like I had severely zoned out,
if you will, and these lights in the driveway were
telling me to wake up. And that's kind of how I.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Felt before you went out. You didn't feel tired or
anything like that. You are still relatively energy.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
No, no, not at all. I didn't feel tired all.
The only thing I really felt was was stress. I
had been going through a lot at the time, and
I was very stressed out. And that's when my brother
shouldest I go for a walk in my hell, you know,
calm me down and That's probably why I left my
phone at the house, is because I just wanted to

(59:22):
zone out and you know, kind of shake the stress
off if you will, to you know, feel a little
bit better.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, we certainly all need to do that sometimes and
say that was relatively recent. I mean, it's only it's
only just a few months ago. But do Joe keep
us updated, you know, if you do experience something similar
to that again, maybe maybe next time when you go
out for a walk and something happens. Yeah, do do
keep us updated with that. And if there is anyone
out there which you know is involved in regression therapy,

(59:54):
I know a lot of people. They do it online.
They don't always have to be in the same room
as you these days.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, we have.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
We used certain therapists over the over the years with
certain guests, So you know, we'll certainly see if we
can put you in contact with someone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
That would be great. I would greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
We get an idea of what has happened, but sometimes
we you know, we don't. That's just the nature of things.
We we seem to go through life just just asking
questions and never really get in the answers that we need.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, you know, I you know, I I also think
too is you know, sometimes if you just talk about it,
like we're doing on the program tonight, you get more clarity,
you know, just doing it, you know, just kind of
just kind of talking with somebody, you know. I know,
for me it helps some of the time because, like

(01:00:42):
I said, I bollowed it up for so long, you know,
and didn't tell anybody. And the moment I, you know,
told somebody told my brother, he said, you know, you
should check out these other places, you know, these other
podcasts and speeches you know, and talks on YouTube and stuff,
and it really kind of you know, gave me a oh,

(01:01:05):
you know, I'm not the only one that doesn't happen
to you know, so sometimes just you know, talking about
it with the individual helps as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, You're certainly not the only one that's happened to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Two good things on this show is that it's liberating
for the for the guests to come on and share it.
You know, you're you're telling people, and merely yeah, you
are telling thousands of people, but these thousands of people
that are like minded that they range from people that
have an interest but never experience the people that have
experience and they're they're keep themselves, are keeping these these
experiences inside and not turn anyone. So it's liberating for

(01:01:37):
the guests and also people listening to you. You're helping
them in some way, Joe. You know, whether it's them
knowing they're you know, they're not the only one they're not,
you know, not crazy, which I'm not crazy is the
subject of tons of emails. I get you're going to
think I'm crazy. You're going to think, but yeah, I've
heard it. Also, it can help people, you know, Like

(01:01:58):
I said, we don't always get the answers, but at
least you know you're reaching out and there are people
listening for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
For sure. Yeah, I mean, you know, if anyone out
there is listening that has had an experience that was
very bizarre that they couldn't explain, you're not crazy. Trust me,
You're not that that stuff exists, you know. I sort
of the world we live in isn't always black and white.

(01:02:26):
I think there are things out there that we can't explain.
Doesn't mean that they don't exist, just means that we
don't understand them. And a lot of the time, when
you know someone doesn't understand something, they become very defensive
about it and you know, become guarded if you will.
And that's why it's good to talk to all your

(01:02:46):
listeners because, like you said, they're all like minded.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Fine words, Joe, good stuff, Joe. I really appreciate you
coming on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Well, thank you, Nick. I appreciate you having me on
the program and letting me tell my stories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
You are more than welcome, sir. Okay, you enjoy the
rest of the evening. Take care and we will speak soon.
All right, you too, be safe YouTube. Bye for now, Joe,
get back. Well, that is all for this episode. Keep
updated and connected with the show on x Facebook and Instagram.
And if you have an encounter that you'd like to

(01:03:22):
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com. Big thank you to Joe for
sharing tonight, and as always, thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe

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and keep watching the Skies. Goodbye,