October 12, 2025 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
So I walked to the end of this deck where
the bedroom starts on the cabin. Because I got three
quarters of the way across the deck, I look up
and there is something looking in that bedroom window. Whatever
it was has front legs or hands or whatever up
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to its face, like looking into a window. The hindquarters
or haunches. I don't know what you would calm So
I see these big haunches. See this thing looking in
my window. It turns, looks at me, and Bot's out
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of there. I then retreated back into the cabin, where
I paced around a little bit and asked myself what
just happened.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So this is the Crypti Creature Show. I am Brian,
and with me as always, my co host Todd.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
What's up, buddy, Brian, my friend. We have a great
show coming up. As always, tonight, we got two guests
coming on. We got a double feature.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yeah, I love those.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh yeah. First, we're gonna bring Bill on, and Bill
had a dog man encounter up in the up of Michigan. Yeah,
another dog man encounter.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And then we're gonna bring Hans on, and Hans is
going to talk about some strange experiences he's had with
Forbes ghosts, and I think maybe some kind of bigfoot
strangers as well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So very cool.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I do not want to wastee any time. I'm want
to get these guys on to start talking to them.
Are you ready to bring them on?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Get them?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Hey, Bill, how are you welcome to show?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey? I'm good. How are you guys doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Thanks for being here with us tonight. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's our pleasure. We were talking to you earlier and
you had a what sounded like a dog man encounter
up in Michigan. Can you tell us what year and
kind of the area that happened in?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know, I really can't drill down to what year
it was. It's been a few years ago, but not
horribly long ago. But I was in the Upper Peninsula, Michigan,
probably twenty three miles west of the Mackino Bridge, about
two miles into the woods at are hunting camp when
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this encounter happened.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Okay, so why don't you just tell us what was
going on that day and what you're doing up there
and help let up to your encounter.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, it was an odd hunting season because I was
actually at deer camp alone that season. I don't know
where my two hunting partners were at, but they were
certainly not at camp that night. So our deer camp
is kind of a three room cabin. When we first
built a thing, it was just a small one room cabin,
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a couple of bunk beds, dining room table, no kitchen,
no nothing really. And then as the years went on
and we got a little older, we wanted to have
some more creature comforts, no pun intended for the show,
and so we added a bedroom and then a bathroom
with a big storage room for all of our hunting
clothes and equipment and that sort of thing. So that night,
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I was sleeping in my usual bunk bed, woke up,
no idea what time. It was, middle of the night,
and I walked into the main room of the cabin
out the front door. Don't know why I decided to
go outside versus use the bathroom, but you know how
hunting camps go. Sometimes walked out onto the deck, and
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the deck is probably sixteen feet by twelve feet, so
sixteen feet wide. So I walked to the end of
this deck, which right at the end of this deck
is where the bedroom starts. On the cabin. And then
there's a pretty large window right there that you can
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look into or see out of the bedroom. And it's
you know, standard sliding window, nothing fancy, you know, you'd
see it in the bar or you know, a deer camp.
But as I got three quarters of the way across
the deck, I look up and there is something looking
in that bedroom window on two legs. Definitely wasn't a human,
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but at first it almost looked like whatever it was
had its front legs or hands or whatever up to
its face like looking into a w you know, much
like you would you look into, you know, somebody's house.
You cover the light to see in better. So that
was the first thing I noticed. The second thing I
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noticed was the you know hind quarters or haunches, I
don't know what you would call them. Were large, I
mean it was. It was dark, but it was you know, moonlight,
so I could see an outline and that was about it.
So I see these big haunches, see this thing looking
in my window. It turns, looks at me and bolts
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out of there. And of course me, you know, I'm
probably not as spry as this thing was. I then
retreated back into the cabin, where I paced around a
little bit and asked myself what just happened? Because I'm
not one that you know, I've hunted for years, and
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of course the morning in the woods when it's the darkest,
there is a little theory. But you know, I've never
had issues of seeing things, thinking about things, or worrying
about stuff like this and the other thing. I remember
that creature, whatever it was, made it from that window
to the woods, which is about I was just up
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there recently in Masure. It's about sixty feet from the
cabin across the little lawn to the woods. The thing
made it out there in a mirror couple of seconds.
It was like bounding to the woods. It was you know,
the haunches, and the speed this thing went from the
window to the woods was was just I couldn't wrap
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my brain around how fast it was. So you know, again,
like I said, I typically wasn't startled by much. But
while I was that night, I went back in the cabin,
got in bed, thinking, oh, I don't have a curtain,
so is this thing going to come back? So you
know how your brain sometimes the logic isn't flowing the
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best when you're startling or having a situation like this,
So I thought I'd be much safer if I went
and slept on the couch, which of course there's another
big window right there, and I was in the virtually
the same position as I would have been in my bed.
And then the other thing I did that we have
never done a hunting camp, as I locked the door
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because I'm sure as I didn't know if this thing
was going to come back, but the way it left
out of there, it was it definitely didn't want to
stick around and have me check it out anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Were you just up there by yourself?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You said, yeah, I was there by myself. But traditionally
we go up me and one other guy won't ride
the camp together. And then the third guy he's more
he doesn't hunt, he's more of our cook and that
sort of thing, clean up guy. So for some reason
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that year, I don't know if we all went separate,
or if they had gone home and I would staying
for Thanksgiving, I just can't, you know, I can't recollect that.
And you know, the funny thing is is we keep
a log at camp, you know, just the dumb stuff
we do that you know, near we harvest the years
we don't harvest any and talk about the meals. But
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for some reason I didn't log that. You know, I
certainly wish I would have, because I probably could have
recollected and told the story a lot better. But for
some reason I didn't, And I just it's been long
enough ago. I can't remember where those guys were. If
they'd have been there, they'd probably thought I was crazy.
But like I said, I don't typically see stuff or
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hear voices or any of that that sort of activities.
So when this happened to me, I was, you know,
certainly taken aback.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So we went back in What what was going through
your mind? What were you thinking that you saw?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, I'll try to say this and keep my language clean,
but I thought I was crazy. I wondered what the
hell was going on, and I just wondered what it
could have been, because it certainly wasn't a human based
on the way it was built, and it wasn't an
animal like I had, you know, you would typically see
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in the woods, just because I remember those those that
highd quarters just seemed very large, you know, abnormal from
a normal dog or a deer, and the know the
other thing I did when I was up there a
couple of weeks ago, So I measured how far it
is from the cabin to the woods, and I also
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measured how high that window is, So I would estimate,
with this thing on its hind quarters, was probably six
to seven feet high, because the just based on where
it would have been on that window. If it was
taller than seven feet, it would have been past the
top of the window.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When it looked at you, were you able to see
any kind of features or kind of figure out maybe
what this thing was at all?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, I really didn't make out any facial features or
you know, any sort of you know, shape of the
snout or jaws or teeth or any of that. You know,
Like I said, it was me that I know. I'm
just kind of wandering out there to go to the bathroom,
like I've done a million times, and this happens, So
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I think my mind just went into fight or flight,
and obviously I flew out of there, so I didn't
really stick around to see a whole lot. Plus it
fled so fast, I don't really know if i'd have
seen much.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Did you happen to notice it? If it had a tail,
or not.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I didn't notice the tail. And also it didn't make
any noise when it took off, you know, like it
didn't growl or hiss or you know, nothing like that.
But I could hear it here its footfalls across the
yard and end of the woods. And you know, there's
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the old joke that when you're hunting for deer, the
squirrels make more noise than a deer does. So it
certainly wasn't a deer because this thing moved out of
there like it was. It wasn't a small deer hoof
hitting the hitting the soil. It had more of a distinct,
heavier footfall than you know, an animal that you you know,
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be hunting.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, well you mentioned haunches, So you know, we talk
about things in Michigan with a dog man, bigfoot. Do
you think it was? Do you think this thing was
a dog man? What's your impression of what you saw?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So I've never been one that's studied bigfoot or I've
read more on dog man since this has happened. That's
where I would lean, just because of the speed of it,
and it seemed like it was built fairly sleek, and
maybe I'm just you know, making some assumptions that a
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bigfoot would have been more bulky, but this thing, it
was definitely They definitely moved out of there pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So I've been hunting up there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Bill would say, let's see, so I have been going
to the Upper Peninsula since I was thirteen, so that
is I'm not real good at math here forty three
years I've been going up there. I've been hunting up
there for probably twenty two years. Prior to that, you know,
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I was a snowmobiler or ATV guy, did all that
sort of stuff. And here in all the last few years,
I've seen quite a few bears out when we're riding
our side by side. This thing also didn't move like
a bear. It seemed like it's haunches were more defined
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than a bear's, you know, to do it. It's fur.
So I've kind of split my time between ATV side
by side and that, you know, of course hunting beer.
I'd usually hunt for seven to ten days, depending on
if I harvest. To anything. With the way the deer
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population has been in the Upper Peninsula have been, it's
been a dry spell for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So before this happened, did you even believe in bigfoot
or anything like that. Did you what was your thoughts
about strange cryptids, bigfoot things like that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I would almost say most of my life, I've really
not given it much thought. But as I've gotten older
than this happened, and I've read more about dog Man,
I've listened to some of your other episodes, and certainly
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more in my realm of belief now than it used
to be.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, that's good. We appreciate that. We thank you for
that for sure, and that hopefully it helps you and
other people who've heard this before and been through things
that you've been through, to understand maybe that there's things
out there that people don't know about. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, and this is one of the things I
didn't really talk about it a whole lot. You know.
We would get together at hunting camp and I would
tell the story and everybody would laugh and tell me
I was crazy, But I'm afraid I'm not. It was
certainly something out there, and I could tell the story
however many years ago it was. It still gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So I have to ask, after you saw that creature
out there and you're attempting to do your your business
and you went back in. Did you end up relieving
yourself that night or did you did you have to
this holder or what?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No, because when you have that fight or flight kick
in and the blood rushes to the core of your body,
the bladder gets forgotten about. So I was able to
hold off for a little bit, I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So what happened the next day? What'd you do? Did
you go hunting?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Or no? Yeah? I got up and what about my business?
And you know it was the days after we're nondescript,
and I can't you know, I wish I knew where
those guys were at, because nine times out of ten
and there's the three of us that are there hunting,
and it's just it was an odd year. I don't
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know if this thing had been around in the since
that things were different and there was fewer humans there,
and thought it would take a peek, But and the
way the bedroom is laid out, the thing really wouldn't
have been able to see me because you know, the
bedroom's obviously dark, and I'm in a bump bed in
a corner with the bed over the top of me,
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so there wouldn't have seen much. I just I just
don't know what prompted it to happen then, or why
it decided to come out that night.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So Bill, all the years before this, and even I
guess after this, you're still going up there obviously, has
there been any inclining of this creature being around again?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
No? You know, my friends that would up there, they
they don't talk about it. They've never seen it. They
laugh at me when I tell the story, and you know,
I could see it coming across as being comical, but
you know, looking back, it's it's kind of funny with
you know, the two of us meeting in the dark
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on the deck like that and me running away like
a schoolgirl. But no, it was. It was definitely a
hair raising experience.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So when you go up there now and you're out
in the woods and hunting, do you ever get that
weird feeling that maybe this creature is still around? Do
you think it was just a once in a kind
of happening thing. This thing was passing through and where
the heck was it going or how do you put
that in the concept?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Now, I wonder all those things. I wonder if it
was just passing through, because I've not heard talk of
it from anyone else. But again, I don't talk to
a whole lot of people up there. It's the same,
you know, half a dozen people, and you know, I
don't know, there's no restaurants or bars or anything around
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when we hunt that. You know, people go and hang
out at the watering hole and talk about it. I
wish I knew. I wish I knew a whole lot more.
But you know, the years have passed and I've been curiously.
I wish I could have seen it better or flipped
on the light. But again, you know, my night vision
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would have been bad too, you know, since I was
in a dark house, going on a dark deck.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So seeing what you saw, experiencing what you did, do
you believe that this creature was flesh and blood and
lives on this earth and hides out in the woods.
Do you think it might have been a government experiment
or what's your thoughts about it?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know, I've never thought of it being a government thing,
but I don't think it was. I think this was
a mother nature of some sort that I don't know
if I'd say I'm lucky and got to experience it,
but it was certainly a memorable situation. I just I
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wish I could have had better visibility of it. I
would have loved to have seen the face, But the
deck is a couple of feet off the ground, so
I'm you know, I would have been better in line
at the space. I don't know why I focused on
those launches.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, you're probably in shock, for one, trying to figure
what they was looking in your window. I mean, that's
creepy enough. It's one thing if a person's looking in
your window, but if there's something else looking in your window.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, it's a totally different ballgame. Had it been a human.
You know, I've been in a law enforcement for thirty
three years, and you know I'd have been certainly ready
and apt to handle a peeping tom. But whatever this was,
I was certainly not ready or trained and able to
handle that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Really, I don't think anybody would have been trained to
handle something like that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
At that point of time. No, maybe we should figure
out something and put on some training for folks so
then they have their first experience they're better suited than
I was.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do you think you'd like to see one again?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I would love to, so that way I could, you know,
get some verification in my mind. What I saw was
what I saw? If that makes sense, It would just
be nice to verify what I think I saw. Well, yeah,
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Do you think that these things are dangerous? Do you think?
Do you worry about other people up there?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I don't worry about it because I would have been
easy pickings and it chose to to leave versus engage me.
So you know, that kind of made me think this
wasn't dangerous. But it was such a crazy experience. I
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didn't have the balls to get back in my bed.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't blame you. I mean, it's one thing to
see something like that just walking around your yard or
in the woods, but to be peeking in your window,
why you try to sleep. That may not have been
the first time it was doing that. I mean, I
hate to tell you that, but it's possible.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, I I'll never stay there.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sorry, I didn't mean you're just get a blind You'll
be fine.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I definitely see what you're saying. And you know, it
could have been taller than the window if it was
leaning to look in. You know, it could have been
you know, seven feetish high or you know six and
a half seven feet high.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So did you check for any tracks or anything like that.
Have you Have you looked for anything like that out there?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No, I didn't, It was it was just kind of
out of my mind, and I just you know, got
up in the morning. It's dark when when I went
with the woods, so I never really thought about it.
Came out for lunch, and you know, I'm just kind
of put it out of my mind.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So what are you carrying when you hunt up there?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, it's a little overkilled, but I carry a three
hundred wind bag for my deer hunting, and I also,
you know, carry a few different handguns, usually a Glock forty,
just in case you encounter someone in the woods or
something in the woods that's not friendly or thinks you're
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hunting their spot or in their blind or too close.
Sometimes people are a little finicky. So you know, being
in law enforcement, as long as I have, I typically
am always armed. So that wasn't anything at normal, and
you know I would have had weapons in the house,
but I was still, you know, half scared to death.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, a lot of people that have encountered dog Man
have told us that they don't know if there's a
gun big enough that can do damnage of this thing.
Did you think that what you saw was you could
have if you had to shoot or protect yourself, you could.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Have well with that three hundred win I had one
round of that would have I think certainly stop the
animal or whatever you call them, or scared it away,
because it's a pretty serious boom. I don't think I
could have gotten the rifle up and gotten the scope
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on it to shoot it just because it was moving
that fast. I think you had to have a AR
or some sort of weapon that's capable of rapid fire
with a you know, optic better for fast snight acquisition.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So question for you again, would you have rather seen
it like you did walking on the deck, relieving yourself
and then boom, there it is? Would you rather see
it from inside from the window?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Ooh, that's a good question. I think seeing it. If
I would have seen it looking in I think that
would have made it worse. I think I would have
preferred to have been out there the way it happened
versus it looking in the window. Because it had been
looking in the window, I would have been more apt
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to think it was a reflection. It was you know,
who knows an owl something? But with this I was
able to see the full length of it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So did you tell your friends anybody?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I know I've I've certainly told my wife and we
hang around with a couple that you know, there are
definitely people that believe in Bigfoot, and they like ghost
hunting and you know, that sort of stuff, and they
certainly enjoyed hearing the story I showed up. They showed
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up here one day and brought me a magnet for
my bigfoot on it, so they were They've enjoyed razzing
me over it for a few years. But I can't
remember if I told the hunting guys right away or
you know, I just wish I had a better memory
of were they not there yet or had they left already?
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I was in camp alone.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I wonder if you're kind of waiting for them to
maybe see it out there when they're a hunting to
come to you and say, did you guys see this
thing that's will creature out there? Maybe you just didn't
want to bring it up, you know what I mean
for embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, the one guy hunt with he's also in law enforcement,
but I would love for him to see it, because
you know, he's one of those guys that super, super
nice guy. Everybody loves him. They would say, well, he's
not a BS artist, he's not going to make something
like this, Not that I am, but he's just one
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of those guys that you know, he can say a
lot of things and has a Yeah, I don't know
if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, no, we believe, and we appreciate you being here
and talking to us about this, and and you for
being the business you're in and what you do. And
these things are real. People are seeing these things, not
just in the up I mean Michigan, Wisconsin. We've had
reports in Ohio, Florida, even Florida, So I mean, we're
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just trying to figure out what this thing is. I
always say on the show, I hate where Wolves. The
movie that Hollings terrified me, and to think that these
creatures are real running around out there is unbelievable to me.
I'm like, it's just crazy. It really is. I don't
know what to think about it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And you know, describe it like a werewolf could be accurate,
if you know I'm picturing. I'm not Hugue into the
Halloween or scary stuff movies, but just the way the
thing was built tends me more to that type of description,
So you know, you know, like, what other physical characteristics
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are you guys hearing from their encounters.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, for one, I'll say this, where did the concept
of the wherewolf come from? You know? Was that just
pulled off somebody's brain or were these people seeing this
back in Europe, back in the who knows when?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, certainly, but most of the reports we hear so
these things are like seven seven and a half eight
feet tall. They have raccoon kind of hands, big raccoon
creepy hands. Did you notice the hands on this thing
when it was looking in the window.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I didn't notice the detail, but I knew they were
big enough to cover the face to look in or
the eyes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Okay, so they weren't pause.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, they were definitely more hands.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So, I mean everything you'd imagine a where wolf to
be a lot of people have said it looks like
the one on Van Helsing, the movie Van Helsing if
you've ever watched that, I have not, or the end
the black Werewolf there. And we've talked to a couple
of guys. We've talked to a gentleman who've actually shot
one and killed one. Him and his brother were hunting.
I think it's episode I can't remember exactly, but these
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guys were hunting in Ohio and when charged his brother,
his brother shot this thing and he ended up shooting
it once in the shoulder. He got a lucky shot
and hit in the temple and dropped it, and weird
things happened after that. They called DNR. Then everybody else
showed up, black tahoes. Everything got weird and next thing
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you know, it was gone. So if they are out there,
and they are real and they're not created by the government,
I think the government knows about them. I think that
they know about Bigfoot as well. But it just scares
me to know that if these creatures are out there,
and I mean, you wouldn't want you saw what you saw.
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Would you want to be tricking out in the woods
with this thing out there, or your family out there,
or anybody that you knew out there? I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
No, I certainly wouldn't want them out there without me
or me out there without a firearm.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Hopefully they're not dangerous, but but you don't know, No.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You don't. And this one certainly didn't stick around, but
it traveled that sixty feet and made ruckus in the woods.
It was in a couple of blinks of the eye,
so it seemed like it was had a pretty good
stride on it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It could have been a young one too, You never know, Yeah,
it could be.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Ever thought about putting or have you put security cameras
out there?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
We haven't, just because you would get a bunch of
pictures of pickup trucks coming and going, people going out
on the deck and have a beer or two, and
so it's and it's you know, when we're not there,
people still, you know, drive back there and you know,
mess around. So I haven't really thought about it. Robe
(30:08):
a horrible idea. I keep a camera, so we have
since bought a place up there, and I keep a
camera out there, but usually all I catch there is
the neighbor kids.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, Bill, we want to thank you for being here
tonight talking about your encounter and seeing that dog man
creepily staring in your window. I don't know how you
would deal with that.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Yeah, I wouldn't have been sleeping that night, I'll tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm not sure I did very much. But it was
great to be able to share the story with you guys.
It was you know, when I heard you were actually
interested in what I had experienced. You know, most people
look at it like it's a campfire story. But I
appreciate you guys genuinely having an interest in it.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
We believe it absolutely and glad you could get it
off your chest to us and talk to us about
it and hopefully it makes you feel better and understand
a little bit better and uh, you know everything so
moving forward, maybe you know, run into something else and
you can get a hold of us and talk about
that too, or.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't want to know what happens while you're up there,
and I'll let us know.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I will certainly do that. I would certainly love for
it to happen again, because I'll hopefully be better prepared
to either flip on my cell phone or at least
the play flight Bill.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It was great talking to you again, and uh we
thank you for being here with us and spending the
time tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Absolutely, thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Thanks Bill.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All right, man, that was awesome having Bill on. Can
you imagine walking outside that cabin and you know, seeing that,
seeing that, and then going back inside. How long do
you I mean, how many times do you think that
thing was looking to his window?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Honestly, I don't know, but proble im sure it wasn't
the first time.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
And he still goes back up there. He's still the
thing that creates me out as he's He goes back
in the woods the next morning to go Honting.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I'll have wait until noon.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I would have not went back. I think I would
have left. But obviously he felt confident. You know, the
guys has been in police force for a long time,
so and he had hopefully the weapons to do so. So,
but like you said, he's not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I don't know anyway, this dog man thing, I don't
know what to think about it. All right, bring with
Hans on next and talk about his crazy experiences he's
had with different kind of things going on in his life.
So are you ready to bring Hans on?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Get him Hans.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
How you doing, Hans, Welcome to the show, Thanks for
being here with.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Hey, TMB. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You know, just hanging out talking about talking about cryptid stuff?
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah? I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
So you grew up in the Pacific Northwest, is that right?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That's correct, Tacoma, Washington?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Okay, are you still in that area?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes? I live in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Now, okay, oh nice, We've been talking a little bit,
and you said that you had a number of encounters
with different entities, including orbs, ghosts, and sasquatch. What was
the first thing that you ever ran into?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
It was the orbs, I think on my email I
titled them orbs in the Gulch. When we were kids
in Tacoma, we were playing the gulches all around our
neighborhood in the North End, and we had one particular
place we like to go. My buddy Nick and I
would go hang out when we were about twelve years
old and on up, and then it became kind of
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a little party spot at times as well as we
got older. So in nineteen seventy six, in September, we
went there with some high school friends and we had
managed to procure a case of Rainier beer, which was,
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you know, quite the opportunity for us at the time.
We had some girls with us, which made it even
more spectacular just to have, you know, somebody besides just
a bunch of guys hanging out. So we went to
the Gulch to one of our camps that Nick and
I had there and we were just sitting down hanging out.
We hadn't even started quote partying. We were just chatting
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and we see these lights. Nick and I see these
lights coming down the bottom of the gulch. There was
one main path that ran along the bottom of the gulch,
and it was about fifty yards down the side to
the bottom of the gulch, and we see these three
lights coming down. We assumed they were flashlights. But what
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was really odd about these lights is there was no
bobbing up and down like you would have with people
carrying them normally. And this is back in the seventies,
so they the light coming from these these these lights,
it was different as well. It wasn't like a normal
D battery flashlight type light. It was more of a
bluish tint to them, and they were about softball size.
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So we knew something was up right away. Nick and
I knew, so we thought, oh, we'll go down and
check it out. Why not, It's a lark if nothing else.
So we trucked down the hill.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Nick and I. We knew our way around.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
The cult pretty well, so we had some idea where
we're going where the other people wouldn't have known. So
they stayed back and we got to the bottom and
the lights just kind of went off in three different directions.
Two of them went straight up the hill on either side,
and these are very steep hills through thick underbrush. Don't
see how no sound is being made, like someone's crashing
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through the brush. And then one went behind a log
off the side of the main trail. So I went
over to the log to check it out, and when
I looked behind it, there were nothing there. So it
was the real head scratch. I wouldn't say, you know,
it was a life changing event by any means, but
it was just something that was very unique. We had
never experienced before or since, and I didn't really think
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much of it until I started listening to a cryptid
podcasts during COVID, where I picked up about a lot
of people talking about orbs and what, you know, the
experiences they've had and what the possible means are they
what they could possibly be, And then it struck me,
It's like, Wow, the stuff they're describing is a lot
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like what happened to us back back in nineteen seventy six.
So I just thought I'd relay that experience. But it
made a real connection for me once I got feedback
from various podcasts about orbs and that they are a thing.
They're not just This wasn't a random happening, so I
thought it was worth noting and wanted to share it
with you guys.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, definitely, Man, we'll go into the next thing that
you had experienced.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Well, that would be the ghost in Denver, as I
titled it. We moved to Denver with our young family
in nineteen ninety two, and our daughter was a year
old when we got there, and then our second daughter
was born while we were there. About a year and
a half later, about six months into our living there,
we started hearing noises in the house. It's an older home.
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It's in the Capitol District of downtown Denver, so it's
a historic kind of district. So our house was built
in nineteen oh four, older home, two story home. And
we'd all be downstairs in the living room, say, and
we'd hear something walking across upstairs, and you knew distinctly
what that sound was when someone was upstairs walking, because
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the floorboards are creaking, literally.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And you knew the sound.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
So we would hear this randomly, daytime, nighttime, whatever. But
pretty much on a regular basis, and yeah, it didn't
bother us. There was no ill intense so to speak,
no negative association with it.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Was just interesting. It's curious what was going on there.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
And then one night we went to a Rockies game
and this was like the first year that I think
they were in the league, so they were playing down
at Mile High Stadium still and there's a big thunderstorm
that they had to cancel the game after it started
raining because of lightning and the metal stands and all
that stuff, so we had to go home. We got
home that there's a power outreach in the city for
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a while. So by the time we got home, our house,
our neighborhood was pitch black, pitch Stark, and when the
babysitter we had was front across the street. His name
was Graham, and he was about fourteen years old or so,
and we walked in the door and he was sitting
on our couch in the dark, and he just looked
at us, he goes, your house is haunted, and he
just bolted across the street back to his house, back
(38:50):
to home, and we at that point he was kind
of Okay, there's some confirmation there, because we knew exactly
what he was talking about. He never elaborated on it,
and we didn't press him because we kind of knew
what he was talking about. And then the last part
of that little adventure in Denver was I was sleeping,
I woke up at three in the morning. I just
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looked down the end of the bed and there was
a figure of a woman at the foot of the bed,
looking down on my wife and I as were in bed,
and she was in a white gown, kind of longish,
dark hair, but I could make out any facial features necessarily,
but definitely a figure standing there, and then she turned
and just slowly dissipated walking down the hallway. My wife
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also saw this same figure later on at another instance.
So again that was corroperted and verified somewhat, and none
of these experiences were negative. We didn't freak out about
it at all. It was all the spirit seemed to
be a benign one, which we were thankful for, and
you know, we just all basically got along cohabitated.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
So well, that's just too crazy for me. I don't
know if I could even deal with.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
That, what with the ghost. Yeah, I don't know. You know,
it's you just kind of. I grew up in an
older home. I mean, you kind of hear sounds. It
just didn't seem that extraordinary. It was kind of it
was kind of cool, to be honest. It became kind
of a little bragging point for us to a certain degree.
(40:25):
And maybe people think we're crazy because of it, but
we didn't feel any judgment. But it was always, you know,
a fun story to tell.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Talk about your uh your bigfoot encountervent that you had.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Right, So this one definitely falls into the uh, the
WU category of a bigfoot experience. You know, I've listened
to a ton of your your Guys' podcast, like three
quarters of them at least, so you know, I got
a taste for what you guys do. I really enjoy it.
I like your format, I like your approach. I think
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you take just a very even handed, cool approach with
your guests, and I've learned a lot. So the whole
aspect of sasquatch that doesn't seem to be getting explored
that much is the WU aspect. In fact, it gets
discounted from my experience listening to other podcasts and even
(41:24):
some professional or scientific guests you've had on your show
where you know, they just say, oh, it's a flesh
and blood creature. Well I think it's more than that.
I mean, I know it's more than that based on
my experience. But I didn't even know what i'd experienced
again until I had listened to podcasts that described exactly
what happened to me. And guess that described what happened
(41:46):
was just what I had experienced. So then the light
went on in my head. I well, I can share.
IM going to share my experience because this was so real,
It was visceral.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
It was as though.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I was touching a sasquatch in my opinion, and I
guess in a certain way respectat I feel I was.
But just to go, you know, go over the actual incident.
This was back in two thousand and six, and we
were camping at North Cascades National Park, which is basically
in the foothills of the Cascades. The North Cascades beautiful area,
(42:19):
very remote, and the campgrounds there are just spectacular and
all the hiking you can do and fishing and what
have you, so just a very really beautiful, rugged area.
We were doing the old car camping there. We had
a camp group campsite with about five families. We did
it every year in the first week of August, we'd
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pick a different campsite. This was the one we picked
that particular year. We were just hanging out at the
camp one night and we're telling stories and sharing jokes
and what have you, and everybody's just kind of going
to bed. I actually tended to be the fire tender.
I enjoyed working with the fire and keeping it going
and then making sure it went out at night, so
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I kind of made that my responsibility when we were
camping and overseeing that aspect to make sure everything was
under control. So I was when of the last ones
at the fire. This other fellow ed was with me
and we're just chatting watching the coals die down, and
finally about ten thirty, I said, well, I'm turning in,
and he's like, yeah, me too. So we went our
(43:23):
separate ways to our tents, and I was probably fifteen
feet away from my tent. I mean I knew where
the tent was, and all of a sudden, it went black. Literally,
it's like a black veil came down from the sky
and surrounded me and I could not see. And when
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I couldn't see, I kind of started to panic, like, so,
what exactly is going on?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Where am I? What is happening? Am I having a stroke?
You know? What is the deal here?
Speaker 5 (43:57):
It was totally foreign, nothing close to experiencing before. And
also then I started to feel this like dread, like
what is happening? I just I couldn't explain it. So
as I'm standing there, I know exactly where the tent
should be as I'm positioned, but I couldn't see it,
(44:18):
and this image came up in front of my in
front of my face, in my mind's eye, that there
was a sasquatch literally standing in front of me, and
that I had this overwhelming feeling that if I stretched
my arm out, you know, three feet in front of me,
I would be touching one. And he was right there
(44:38):
and he was projecting this image to me. I was frozen.
I couldn't move. My wife and kids are sleeping and
I can't I can't get to him. So I was
really a trippy, disorienting experience. And then just I could
had just as it had come over me, it also
(44:59):
went away. It just slowly things started to dissipate, and
then the ambient light and everything came back, and there
was the tent literally six feet away from me, and
I just crawled into the tent, and you know, whole.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Thing shook me at the time.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
It shook me for a while afterwards, I didn't talk
about it a whole lot because how do you explain that?
And I'd never heard of getting zapped by a sasquatch
before at that point in my life, I had no
idea what the experience was about. So I just kept,
you know, kept quiet about it. I told my wife
about it, but other than that, I really I didn't
(45:40):
want to tell anyone because you know, people give you
looks and they start to think, uh, what do you
want about? So I kept quiet about But once I
started hearing a bit from your podcast and others about
getting zapped, I was like, that's exactly what happened to me,
very clearly what happened to me, and the whole wu
aspect of sasquatch is just it kind of became just
(46:04):
as important to me as the actual proof of the
physical creature itself at this point. So that's kind of
my little mini crusade of my own, is to investigate
or look into the wu aspect of sasquatch because I
do I believe that's.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
A trait for sure.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Now whether every sasquatch has it, I can't say, but
definitely there's something going on out there beyond just the physical.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, what do you think? What do you think Bigfoot
or sasquatch it is. Do you think it is a
supernatural creature? Do you think it comes from outer space?
Do you think it's why do you think it has
if it has those traits of cloaking.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
And I think it's a creature, that's.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What's your definition.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I guess sasquatch, like other creatures, I think is on
a spectrum or a range of species. One size doesn't
fit all here. I harken back to when you had
an interview with Ron Moorehead I believe his name is.
(47:11):
He talked about quantum sasquatch that was really interesting in
the whole dimensional aspect, and he really put it plainly.
You know that there are, however many dimensions there are,
let's say there's seven. We don't know there's probably there
may be more, but we're only we only deal in three, really,
so that's four other levels that we're not even scratching
(47:32):
the surface on. So that really struck me as something
that you made.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
The portal.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Argument or the portal possibility real to me. I think
this creature is maybe on a spectrum of very physical,
you know, straight up physical, too interdimensional. I'm not going
to say supernatural. I think that's putting a little.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Bit too much to it.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think if you're if you can go through dimensions,
that's enough for me. You know that's I don't think
they're nephlum. I don't think there's a biblical base to them.
I think they've just been around for a long time.
But that's as far as I go with that. I
really think that Sasquatch as a creature is, is on
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a spectrum or a range of abilities and states. Quite frankly,
I think there's different kinds, different types, as I've heard
described by some of your guests and also what I've
read and researched on my own. So I really think
you can't pigeonhole it into one one thing. I think
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that there they there's a number of them, different types
of them, and they have different abilities all the way
from just being very physical and living in the world
to being able to enter our dimension in and out
through portals.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I really believe that.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, that's very possible.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Nobody knows it's going to say.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
You know, like a lot of things in life, it's
just there are no absolutes, Uh, there are, just there's
often a lot shade. And I think it's for Sasquatch
as well, their abilities and their school capabilities and their
mental and psychic capabilities of that matter.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
And I've said it, you know many times on the
show that all we have, oh anybody has is theories
and pretty much guesswork, basically because until somebody can actually
sit down with a big foot and learn by I mean,
we're never going to say anything. It's all yeah, hearsay
and theory, and that's.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
All we have.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, And what I find frustrating is how do you
how do you learn more though? How do you get
more too closer to the bottom of the issue, how
do you or figuring really figuring out what it's all about.
That's that's what's kind of mind boggling and frustrating at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Keep getting out of the woods, keep doing what you're doing,
and hopefully one of them.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Exactly exactly well. To that end, my wife and I
are going to Vancouver Island next month for our anniversary
and so we're going to go to a very a
few different spots on the west coast of Vancouver Island
and we're gonna do you know, they'll get out there
(50:29):
and do a little squatch and I think because it
will be in some pretty remote areas and I'm looking
forward to that.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We talked about Vancouver Island many times. Let us know,
let us know how it goes up there.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, Vancouver Island.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Huge area.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
I mean well, I mean I may have mentioned it
in my email to you, but you know, I grew
up with sasquatch, but just growing up in Tacoma, in
Pierce County. If you look at the bfr old website,
Washington State has the most sightings by number seven hundred
and twenty two or something like that. And of those
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seven hundred and twenty two, Pierce County, which is where
Tacoma's look at, it has the most in Washington State
at eighty four. So you know, I'm a kid, I'm
at ten years old. I had no idea we were
in the hotbed of a bigfoot country, but sure enough
we were. And the Tacoma News Tribune when I was
eleven years old. There was a spade of sightings and
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incidents around puallup just outside home, and that's very kind
of rural farm country. And I mean the Tribune treated
it like you know, regular news. They didn't make it,
you know, spoof it or they just covered it straight up.
And it was really interesting, you know, instead of making
it like a feature story. It was actually actual news
story and they treated it that way. And it was
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really caught my attention when I was a kid, and
then I read John Green's books and so I was
kind of into it when I was little.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
But then you know, you drift away.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
Life gets in the way and you start raising a
family and what have you, and things change. But I
came back to it, you know, uh, you know, with
with COVID and went on, I had a chance to
kind of focus on some different stuff and that bigfoot
was one of them. So yeah, I'm definitely interested in
pursuing it further.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And you're in the perfect area. I mean, where you're
at you can just shoot over to the Olympic Peninsula
and you know, get out there and do some investigation. Yeah,
so if you if you see anything or hear anything
or know of anything you got to reach back out there.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Yes, last year I went to a Quinnault Beach resort,
which is Ocean Shores, Washington, and went to the Sasquatch
Summit and I met the folks from the Olympic Research
Project over there, and some members of Todd's Standing's team
as well, and that was interesting. That was that was
the first time I gone to a.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Who did you mean? Who did you? Who else?
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Conference?
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Do you remember who else you met over there?
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Just the head You've talked to? The guy from the
Olympic Research Project. I his name escapes right now, but yeah,
it was one of the main guys. He gave me
the rundown on what they're doing and what that they're
all about, which is really interesting. And then the top
Todd Standing folks, I really don't remember. They weren't I know,
(53:29):
it wasn't him, so I I just you know, we
were just chatting in between speakers and what have you.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
All right, well, Hans again.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, so I'm gonna keep Yeah. I just one other thing.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I really do love the dog Man content you guys
have been putting together too. I think that's a cool,
cool topic.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And yeah, that seems to be.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
Crazy and mysterious, more and more popular. So cool. Yeah,
who would have thunk that.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Was only supposed to movies when I was you know,
but you wonder where where that culture comes from and
why they started making those movies. So uh, it all
kind of goes back to that old school stuff, where
like where did these well you know, who thought of
this idea? Was it a thought or were people really
seeing these things? And apparently they were right?
Speaker 5 (54:23):
And I'm sure I'm sure you guys have probably looked
at a little bit on research it a little bit,
but there's been a lot of over the centuries, a
lot of dog type dog human type creatures that have
interacted supposedly interacted with with other civilizations and we're actual
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tribes or what have you that were they were part
of our culture. So you know, where does that come from?
I mean, what how does There's got to be a
grain of truth, I guess and just you know Egypt
all gene all that with with what's his face the
dog guy, not Osyrus, but the the other one. Anyway,
(55:09):
it doesn't matter a Newbis, thank you so much. Yeah
that's the guy. Yeah, where does all this come from?
So it's uh, it's really interesting. But anyway, I just
wanted to mention that that that's really cool that you
get thank you.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Well we got more coming, just so you know. Unfortunately,
we got more dog men.
Speaker 5 (55:32):
Chis and I'm just curious, what's that bud good good good.
And I'm just gonna, you know, throw myself out there.
I recently retired about a year ago, and good for you.
I don't know if you guys, yeah, thanks, And my
wife is retiring at the end of November, so we're
(55:54):
both going to be retired at that point. But but
I I just you know, if you guys want any help,
like volunteer help for doing research on stuff, if or
chasing down some leads or whatever you want. If you
just need an extra set of hands, I'm glad to
help you out.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
If you have any interest. If you need any help,
you just let me know. Well, that'd be glad.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
The coolest thing you could do is just send us content.
Thanks you hear your respect for cryptids and investigating like
like we want to do is greatly appreciated. Anything you
guys can send us is awesome. So yeah, yeah, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (56:29):
All right, Hopefully I'll come back with something from Vancouver Island.
I could send your way as well.
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Definitely, Yeah, letting us see what happens either way. I mean,
you know, shoot us an email or reach out to
us one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
So all right, yeah, I will do that.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Be safe out there too, all right, hands, We appreciate you, thanks, buddy,
all right, thanks, take care. All right, man, it was
really cool having Hans on, having Bill on and talking
about those different kind of spectrums. You know, you got
the dog Man, you got the orbs, you got the Bigfoot,
you got the ghosts, everything's going on. I mean, there's
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a different world out there. People have to understand there's
different there's different things going on there. This is not
just made up. People are not talking about this just
to talk about it. There's nothing for them to gain.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
So yeah, have you noticed this stuff is happening more
frequently now? I don't know if it's because, like like
we said before, we're all getting outside more and we're
encroaching more on their their property, their habitats, or something's coming.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Listeners, We appreciate you guys for being here as always,
it's always.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I love you guys.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Thanks for being with us. If it wasn't for you,
we would not be here, So shat you guys all.
Bryan my friend, You're awesome. Thanks for being here with me.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Always fun man, always learning.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
All right, you ready to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
See you
So I walked to the end of this deck where
the bedroom starts on the cabin. Because I got three
quarters of the way across the deck, I look up
and there is something looking in that bedroom window. Whatever
it was has front legs or hands or whatever up
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to its face, like looking into a window. The hindquarters
or haunches. I don't know what you would calm So
I see these big haunches. See this thing looking in
my window. It turns, looks at me, and Bot's out
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of there. I then retreated back into the cabin, where
I paced around a little bit and asked myself what
just happened.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So this is the Crypti Creature Show. I am Brian,
and with me as always, my co host Todd.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
What's up, buddy, Brian, my friend. We have a great
show coming up. As always, tonight, we got two guests
coming on. We got a double feature.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yeah, I love those.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh yeah. First, we're gonna bring Bill on, and Bill
had a dog man encounter up in the up of Michigan. Yeah,
another dog man encounter.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And then we're gonna bring Hans on, and Hans is
going to talk about some strange experiences he's had with
Forbes ghosts, and I think maybe some kind of bigfoot
strangers as well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So very cool.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I do not want to wastee any time. I'm want
to get these guys on to start talking to them.
Are you ready to bring them on?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Get them?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Hey, Bill, how are you welcome to show?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey? I'm good. How are you guys doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Thanks for being here with us tonight. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's our pleasure. We were talking to you earlier and
you had a what sounded like a dog man encounter
up in Michigan. Can you tell us what year and
kind of the area that happened in?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know, I really can't drill down to what year
it was. It's been a few years ago, but not
horribly long ago. But I was in the Upper Peninsula, Michigan,
probably twenty three miles west of the Mackino Bridge, about
two miles into the woods at are hunting camp when
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this encounter happened.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Okay, so why don't you just tell us what was
going on that day and what you're doing up there
and help let up to your encounter.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, it was an odd hunting season because I was
actually at deer camp alone that season. I don't know
where my two hunting partners were at, but they were
certainly not at camp that night. So our deer camp
is kind of a three room cabin. When we first
built a thing, it was just a small one room cabin,
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a couple of bunk beds, dining room table, no kitchen,
no nothing really. And then as the years went on
and we got a little older, we wanted to have
some more creature comforts, no pun intended for the show,
and so we added a bedroom and then a bathroom
with a big storage room for all of our hunting
clothes and equipment and that sort of thing. So that night,
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I was sleeping in my usual bunk bed, woke up,
no idea what time. It was, middle of the night,
and I walked into the main room of the cabin
out the front door. Don't know why I decided to
go outside versus use the bathroom, but you know how
hunting camps go. Sometimes walked out onto the deck, and
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the deck is probably sixteen feet by twelve feet, so
sixteen feet wide. So I walked to the end of
this deck, which right at the end of this deck
is where the bedroom starts. On the cabin. And then
there's a pretty large window right there that you can
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look into or see out of the bedroom. And it's
you know, standard sliding window, nothing fancy, you know, you'd
see it in the bar or you know, a deer camp.
But as I got three quarters of the way across
the deck, I look up and there is something looking
in that bedroom window on two legs. Definitely wasn't a human,
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but at first it almost looked like whatever it was
had its front legs or hands or whatever up to
its face like looking into a w you know, much
like you would you look into, you know, somebody's house.
You cover the light to see in better. So that
was the first thing I noticed. The second thing I
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noticed was the you know hind quarters or haunches, I
don't know what you would call them. Were large, I
mean it was. It was dark, but it was you know, moonlight,
so I could see an outline and that was about it.
So I see these big haunches, see this thing looking
in my window. It turns, looks at me and bolts
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out of there. And of course me, you know, I'm
probably not as spry as this thing was. I then
retreated back into the cabin, where I paced around a
little bit and asked myself what just happened? Because I'm
not one that you know, I've hunted for years, and
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of course the morning in the woods when it's the darkest,
there is a little theory. But you know, I've never
had issues of seeing things, thinking about things, or worrying
about stuff like this and the other thing. I remember
that creature, whatever it was, made it from that window
to the woods, which is about I was just up
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there recently in Masure. It's about sixty feet from the
cabin across the little lawn to the woods. The thing
made it out there in a mirror couple of seconds.
It was like bounding to the woods. It was you know,
the haunches, and the speed this thing went from the
window to the woods was was just I couldn't wrap
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my brain around how fast it was. So you know, again,
like I said, I typically wasn't startled by much. But
while I was that night, I went back in the cabin,
got in bed, thinking, oh, I don't have a curtain,
so is this thing going to come back? So you
know how your brain sometimes the logic isn't flowing the
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best when you're startling or having a situation like this,
So I thought I'd be much safer if I went
and slept on the couch, which of course there's another
big window right there, and I was in the virtually
the same position as I would have been in my bed.
And then the other thing I did that we have
never done a hunting camp, as I locked the door
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because I'm sure as I didn't know if this thing
was going to come back, but the way it left
out of there, it was it definitely didn't want to
stick around and have me check it out anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Were you just up there by yourself?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You said, yeah, I was there by myself. But traditionally
we go up me and one other guy won't ride
the camp together. And then the third guy he's more
he doesn't hunt, he's more of our cook and that
sort of thing, clean up guy. So for some reason
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that year, I don't know if we all went separate,
or if they had gone home and I would staying
for Thanksgiving, I just can't, you know, I can't recollect that.
And you know, the funny thing is is we keep
a log at camp, you know, just the dumb stuff
we do that you know, near we harvest the years
we don't harvest any and talk about the meals. But
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for some reason I didn't log that. You know, I
certainly wish I would have, because I probably could have
recollected and told the story a lot better. But for
some reason I didn't, And I just it's been long
enough ago. I can't remember where those guys were. If
they'd have been there, they'd probably thought I was crazy.
But like I said, I don't typically see stuff or
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hear voices or any of that that sort of activities.
So when this happened to me, I was, you know,
certainly taken aback.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So we went back in What what was going through
your mind? What were you thinking that you saw?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, I'll try to say this and keep my language clean,
but I thought I was crazy. I wondered what the
hell was going on, and I just wondered what it
could have been, because it certainly wasn't a human based
on the way it was built, and it wasn't an
animal like I had, you know, you would typically see
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in the woods, just because I remember those those that
highd quarters just seemed very large, you know, abnormal from
a normal dog or a deer, and the know the
other thing I did when I was up there a
couple of weeks ago, So I measured how far it
is from the cabin to the woods, and I also
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measured how high that window is, So I would estimate,
with this thing on its hind quarters, was probably six
to seven feet high, because the just based on where
it would have been on that window. If it was
taller than seven feet, it would have been past the
top of the window.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When it looked at you, were you able to see
any kind of features or kind of figure out maybe
what this thing was at all?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, I really didn't make out any facial features or
you know, any sort of you know, shape of the
snout or jaws or teeth or any of that. You know,
Like I said, it was me that I know. I'm
just kind of wandering out there to go to the bathroom,
like I've done a million times, and this happens, So
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I think my mind just went into fight or flight,
and obviously I flew out of there, so I didn't
really stick around to see a whole lot. Plus it
fled so fast, I don't really know if i'd have
seen much.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Did you happen to notice it? If it had a tail,
or not.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I didn't notice the tail. And also it didn't make
any noise when it took off, you know, like it
didn't growl or hiss or you know, nothing like that.
But I could hear it here its footfalls across the
yard and end of the woods. And you know, there's
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the old joke that when you're hunting for deer, the
squirrels make more noise than a deer does. So it
certainly wasn't a deer because this thing moved out of
there like it was. It wasn't a small deer hoof
hitting the hitting the soil. It had more of a distinct,
heavier footfall than you know, an animal that you you know,
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be hunting.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, well you mentioned haunches, So you know, we talk
about things in Michigan with a dog man, bigfoot. Do
you think it was? Do you think this thing was
a dog man? What's your impression of what you saw?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So I've never been one that's studied bigfoot or I've
read more on dog man since this has happened. That's
where I would lean, just because of the speed of it,
and it seemed like it was built fairly sleek, and
maybe I'm just you know, making some assumptions that a
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bigfoot would have been more bulky, but this thing, it
was definitely They definitely moved out of there pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So I've been hunting up there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Bill would say, let's see, so I have been going
to the Upper Peninsula since I was thirteen, so that
is I'm not real good at math here forty three
years I've been going up there. I've been hunting up
there for probably twenty two years. Prior to that, you know,
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I was a snowmobiler or ATV guy, did all that
sort of stuff. And here in all the last few years,
I've seen quite a few bears out when we're riding
our side by side. This thing also didn't move like
a bear. It seemed like it's haunches were more defined
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than a bear's, you know, to do it. It's fur.
So I've kind of split my time between ATV side
by side and that, you know, of course hunting beer.
I'd usually hunt for seven to ten days, depending on
if I harvest. To anything. With the way the deer
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population has been in the Upper Peninsula have been, it's
been a dry spell for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So before this happened, did you even believe in bigfoot
or anything like that. Did you what was your thoughts
about strange cryptids, bigfoot things like that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I would almost say most of my life, I've really
not given it much thought. But as I've gotten older
than this happened, and I've read more about dog Man,
I've listened to some of your other episodes, and certainly
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more in my realm of belief now than it used
to be.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, that's good. We appreciate that. We thank you for
that for sure, and that hopefully it helps you and
other people who've heard this before and been through things
that you've been through, to understand maybe that there's things
out there that people don't know about. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, and this is one of the things I
didn't really talk about it a whole lot. You know.
We would get together at hunting camp and I would
tell the story and everybody would laugh and tell me
I was crazy, But I'm afraid I'm not. It was
certainly something out there, and I could tell the story
however many years ago it was. It still gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So I have to ask, after you saw that creature
out there and you're attempting to do your your business
and you went back in. Did you end up relieving
yourself that night or did you did you have to
this holder or what?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No, because when you have that fight or flight kick
in and the blood rushes to the core of your body,
the bladder gets forgotten about. So I was able to
hold off for a little bit, I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So what happened the next day? What'd you do? Did
you go hunting?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Or no? Yeah? I got up and what about my business?
And you know it was the days after we're nondescript,
and I can't you know, I wish I knew where
those guys were at, because nine times out of ten
and there's the three of us that are there hunting,
and it's just it was an odd year. I don't
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know if this thing had been around in the since
that things were different and there was fewer humans there,
and thought it would take a peek, But and the
way the bedroom is laid out, the thing really wouldn't
have been able to see me because you know, the
bedroom's obviously dark, and I'm in a bump bed in
a corner with the bed over the top of me,
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so there wouldn't have seen much. I just I just
don't know what prompted it to happen then, or why
it decided to come out that night.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So Bill, all the years before this, and even I
guess after this, you're still going up there obviously, has
there been any inclining of this creature being around again?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
No? You know, my friends that would up there, they
they don't talk about it. They've never seen it. They
laugh at me when I tell the story, and you know,
I could see it coming across as being comical, but
you know, looking back, it's it's kind of funny with
you know, the two of us meeting in the dark
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on the deck like that and me running away like
a schoolgirl. But no, it was. It was definitely a
hair raising experience.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So when you go up there now and you're out
in the woods and hunting, do you ever get that
weird feeling that maybe this creature is still around? Do
you think it was just a once in a kind
of happening thing. This thing was passing through and where
the heck was it going or how do you put
that in the concept?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Now, I wonder all those things. I wonder if it
was just passing through, because I've not heard talk of
it from anyone else. But again, I don't talk to
a whole lot of people up there. It's the same,
you know, half a dozen people, and you know, I
don't know, there's no restaurants or bars or anything around
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when we hunt that. You know, people go and hang
out at the watering hole and talk about it. I
wish I knew. I wish I knew a whole lot more.
But you know, the years have passed and I've been curiously.
I wish I could have seen it better or flipped
on the light. But again, you know, my night vision
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would have been bad too, you know, since I was
in a dark house, going on a dark deck.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So seeing what you saw, experiencing what you did, do
you believe that this creature was flesh and blood and
lives on this earth and hides out in the woods.
Do you think it might have been a government experiment
or what's your thoughts about it?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know, I've never thought of it being a government thing,
but I don't think it was. I think this was
a mother nature of some sort that I don't know
if I'd say I'm lucky and got to experience it,
but it was certainly a memorable situation. I just I
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wish I could have had better visibility of it. I
would have loved to have seen the face, But the
deck is a couple of feet off the ground, so
I'm you know, I would have been better in line
at the space. I don't know why I focused on
those launches.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, you're probably in shock, for one, trying to figure
what they was looking in your window. I mean, that's
creepy enough. It's one thing if a person's looking in
your window, but if there's something else looking in your window.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, it's a totally different ballgame. Had it been a human.
You know, I've been in a law enforcement for thirty
three years, and you know I'd have been certainly ready
and apt to handle a peeping tom. But whatever this was,
I was certainly not ready or trained and able to
handle that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Really, I don't think anybody would have been trained to
handle something like that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
At that point of time. No, maybe we should figure
out something and put on some training for folks so
then they have their first experience they're better suited than
I was.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do you think you'd like to see one again?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I would love to, so that way I could, you know,
get some verification in my mind. What I saw was
what I saw? If that makes sense, It would just
be nice to verify what I think I saw. Well, yeah,
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Do you think that these things are dangerous? Do you think?
Do you worry about other people up there?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I don't worry about it because I would have been
easy pickings and it chose to to leave versus engage me.
So you know, that kind of made me think this
wasn't dangerous. But it was such a crazy experience. I
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didn't have the balls to get back in my bed.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't blame you. I mean, it's one thing to
see something like that just walking around your yard or
in the woods, but to be peeking in your window,
why you try to sleep. That may not have been
the first time it was doing that. I mean, I
hate to tell you that, but it's possible.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, I I'll never stay there.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sorry, I didn't mean you're just get a blind You'll
be fine.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I definitely see what you're saying. And you know, it
could have been taller than the window if it was
leaning to look in. You know, it could have been
you know, seven feetish high or you know six and
a half seven feet high.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So did you check for any tracks or anything like that.
Have you Have you looked for anything like that out there?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No, I didn't, It was it was just kind of
out of my mind, and I just you know, got
up in the morning. It's dark when when I went
with the woods, so I never really thought about it.
Came out for lunch, and you know, I'm just kind
of put it out of my mind.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So what are you carrying when you hunt up there?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, it's a little overkilled, but I carry a three
hundred wind bag for my deer hunting, and I also,
you know, carry a few different handguns, usually a Glock forty,
just in case you encounter someone in the woods or
something in the woods that's not friendly or thinks you're
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hunting their spot or in their blind or too close.
Sometimes people are a little finicky. So you know, being
in law enforcement, as long as I have, I typically
am always armed. So that wasn't anything at normal, and
you know I would have had weapons in the house,
but I was still, you know, half scared to death.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, a lot of people that have encountered dog Man
have told us that they don't know if there's a
gun big enough that can do damnage of this thing.
Did you think that what you saw was you could
have if you had to shoot or protect yourself, you could.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Have well with that three hundred win I had one
round of that would have I think certainly stop the
animal or whatever you call them, or scared it away,
because it's a pretty serious boom. I don't think I
could have gotten the rifle up and gotten the scope
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on it to shoot it just because it was moving
that fast. I think you had to have a AR
or some sort of weapon that's capable of rapid fire
with a you know, optic better for fast snight acquisition.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So question for you again, would you have rather seen
it like you did walking on the deck, relieving yourself
and then boom, there it is? Would you rather see
it from inside from the window?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Ooh, that's a good question. I think seeing it. If
I would have seen it looking in I think that
would have made it worse. I think I would have
preferred to have been out there the way it happened
versus it looking in the window. Because it had been
looking in the window, I would have been more apt
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to think it was a reflection. It was you know,
who knows an owl something? But with this I was
able to see the full length of it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So did you tell your friends anybody?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I know I've I've certainly told my wife and we
hang around with a couple that you know, there are
definitely people that believe in Bigfoot, and they like ghost
hunting and you know, that sort of stuff, and they
certainly enjoyed hearing the story I showed up. They showed
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up here one day and brought me a magnet for
my bigfoot on it, so they were They've enjoyed razzing
me over it for a few years. But I can't
remember if I told the hunting guys right away or
you know, I just wish I had a better memory
of were they not there yet or had they left already?
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I was in camp alone.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I wonder if you're kind of waiting for them to
maybe see it out there when they're a hunting to
come to you and say, did you guys see this
thing that's will creature out there? Maybe you just didn't
want to bring it up, you know what I mean
for embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, the one guy hunt with he's also in law enforcement,
but I would love for him to see it, because
you know, he's one of those guys that super, super
nice guy. Everybody loves him. They would say, well, he's
not a BS artist, he's not going to make something
like this, Not that I am, but he's just one
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of those guys that you know, he can say a
lot of things and has a Yeah, I don't know
if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, no, we believe, and we appreciate you being here
and talking to us about this, and and you for
being the business you're in and what you do. And
these things are real. People are seeing these things, not
just in the up I mean Michigan, Wisconsin. We've had
reports in Ohio, Florida, even Florida, So I mean, we're
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just trying to figure out what this thing is. I
always say on the show, I hate where Wolves. The
movie that Hollings terrified me, and to think that these
creatures are real running around out there is unbelievable to me.
I'm like, it's just crazy. It really is. I don't
know what to think about it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And you know, describe it like a werewolf could be accurate,
if you know I'm picturing. I'm not Hugue into the
Halloween or scary stuff movies, but just the way the
thing was built tends me more to that type of description,
So you know, you know, like, what other physical characteristics
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are you guys hearing from their encounters.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, for one, I'll say this, where did the concept
of the wherewolf come from? You know? Was that just
pulled off somebody's brain or were these people seeing this
back in Europe, back in the who knows when?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, certainly, but most of the reports we hear so
these things are like seven seven and a half eight
feet tall. They have raccoon kind of hands, big raccoon
creepy hands. Did you notice the hands on this thing
when it was looking in the window.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I didn't notice the detail, but I knew they were
big enough to cover the face to look in or
the eyes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Okay, so they weren't pause.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, they were definitely more hands.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So, I mean everything you'd imagine a where wolf to
be a lot of people have said it looks like
the one on Van Helsing, the movie Van Helsing if
you've ever watched that, I have not, or the end
the black Werewolf there. And we've talked to a couple
of guys. We've talked to a gentleman who've actually shot
one and killed one. Him and his brother were hunting.
I think it's episode I can't remember exactly, but these
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guys were hunting in Ohio and when charged his brother,
his brother shot this thing and he ended up shooting
it once in the shoulder. He got a lucky shot
and hit in the temple and dropped it, and weird
things happened after that. They called DNR. Then everybody else
showed up, black tahoes. Everything got weird and next thing
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you know, it was gone. So if they are out there,
and they are real and they're not created by the government,
I think the government knows about them. I think that
they know about Bigfoot as well. But it just scares
me to know that if these creatures are out there,
and I mean, you wouldn't want you saw what you saw.
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Would you want to be tricking out in the woods
with this thing out there, or your family out there,
or anybody that you knew out there? I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
No, I certainly wouldn't want them out there without me
or me out there without a firearm.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Hopefully they're not dangerous, but but you don't know, No.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You don't. And this one certainly didn't stick around, but
it traveled that sixty feet and made ruckus in the woods.
It was in a couple of blinks of the eye,
so it seemed like it was had a pretty good
stride on it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It could have been a young one too, You never know, Yeah,
it could be.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Ever thought about putting or have you put security cameras
out there?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
We haven't, just because you would get a bunch of
pictures of pickup trucks coming and going, people going out
on the deck and have a beer or two, and
so it's and it's you know, when we're not there,
people still, you know, drive back there and you know,
mess around. So I haven't really thought about it. Robe
(30:08):
a horrible idea. I keep a camera, so we have
since bought a place up there, and I keep a
camera out there, but usually all I catch there is
the neighbor kids.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, Bill, we want to thank you for being here
tonight talking about your encounter and seeing that dog man
creepily staring in your window. I don't know how you
would deal with that.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Yeah, I wouldn't have been sleeping that night, I'll tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm not sure I did very much. But it was
great to be able to share the story with you guys.
It was you know, when I heard you were actually
interested in what I had experienced. You know, most people
look at it like it's a campfire story. But I
appreciate you guys genuinely having an interest in it.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
We believe it absolutely and glad you could get it
off your chest to us and talk to us about
it and hopefully it makes you feel better and understand
a little bit better and uh, you know everything so
moving forward, maybe you know, run into something else and
you can get a hold of us and talk about
that too, or.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't want to know what happens while you're up there,
and I'll let us know.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I will certainly do that. I would certainly love for
it to happen again, because I'll hopefully be better prepared
to either flip on my cell phone or at least
the play flight Bill.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It was great talking to you again, and uh we
thank you for being here with us and spending the
time tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Absolutely, thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Thanks Bill.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
All right, man, that was awesome having Bill on. Can
you imagine walking outside that cabin and you know, seeing that,
seeing that, and then going back inside. How long do
you I mean, how many times do you think that
thing was looking to his window?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Honestly, I don't know, but proble im sure it wasn't
the first time.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
And he still goes back up there. He's still the
thing that creates me out as he's He goes back
in the woods the next morning to go Honting.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I'll have wait until noon.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I would have not went back. I think I would
have left. But obviously he felt confident. You know, the
guys has been in police force for a long time,
so and he had hopefully the weapons to do so. So,
but like you said, he's not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I don't know anyway, this dog man thing, I don't
know what to think about it. All right, bring with
Hans on next and talk about his crazy experiences he's
had with different kind of things going on in his life.
So are you ready to bring Hans on?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Get him Hans.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
How you doing, Hans, Welcome to the show, Thanks for
being here with.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Hey, TMB. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You know, just hanging out talking about talking about cryptid stuff?
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah? I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
So you grew up in the Pacific Northwest, is that right?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That's correct, Tacoma, Washington?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Okay, are you still in that area?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes? I live in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Now, okay, oh nice, We've been talking a little bit,
and you said that you had a number of encounters
with different entities, including orbs, ghosts, and sasquatch. What was
the first thing that you ever ran into?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
It was the orbs, I think on my email I
titled them orbs in the Gulch. When we were kids
in Tacoma, we were playing the gulches all around our
neighborhood in the North End, and we had one particular
place we like to go. My buddy Nick and I
would go hang out when we were about twelve years
old and on up, and then it became kind of
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a little party spot at times as well as we
got older. So in nineteen seventy six, in September, we
went there with some high school friends and we had
managed to procure a case of Rainier beer, which was,
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you know, quite the opportunity for us at the time.
We had some girls with us, which made it even
more spectacular just to have, you know, somebody besides just
a bunch of guys hanging out. So we went to
the Gulch to one of our camps that Nick and
I had there and we were just sitting down hanging out.
We hadn't even started quote partying. We were just chatting
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and we see these lights. Nick and I see these
lights coming down the bottom of the gulch. There was
one main path that ran along the bottom of the gulch,
and it was about fifty yards down the side to
the bottom of the gulch, and we see these three
lights coming down. We assumed they were flashlights. But what
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was really odd about these lights is there was no
bobbing up and down like you would have with people
carrying them normally. And this is back in the seventies,
so they the light coming from these these these lights,
it was different as well. It wasn't like a normal
D battery flashlight type light. It was more of a
bluish tint to them, and they were about softball size.
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So we knew something was up right away. Nick and
I knew, so we thought, oh, we'll go down and
check it out. Why not, It's a lark if nothing else.
So we trucked down the hill.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Nick and I. We knew our way around.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
The cult pretty well, so we had some idea where
we're going where the other people wouldn't have known. So
they stayed back and we got to the bottom and
the lights just kind of went off in three different directions.
Two of them went straight up the hill on either side,
and these are very steep hills through thick underbrush. Don't
see how no sound is being made, like someone's crashing
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through the brush. And then one went behind a log
off the side of the main trail. So I went
over to the log to check it out, and when
I looked behind it, there were nothing there. So it
was the real head scratch. I wouldn't say, you know,
it was a life changing event by any means, but
it was just something that was very unique. We had
never experienced before or since, and I didn't really think
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much of it until I started listening to a cryptid
podcasts during COVID, where I picked up about a lot
of people talking about orbs and what, you know, the
experiences they've had and what the possible means are they
what they could possibly be, And then it struck me,
It's like, Wow, the stuff they're describing is a lot
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like what happened to us back back in nineteen seventy six.
So I just thought I'd relay that experience. But it
made a real connection for me once I got feedback
from various podcasts about orbs and that they are a thing.
They're not just This wasn't a random happening, so I
thought it was worth noting and wanted to share it
with you guys.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, definitely, Man, we'll go into the next thing that
you had experienced.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Well, that would be the ghost in Denver, as I
titled it. We moved to Denver with our young family
in nineteen ninety two, and our daughter was a year
old when we got there, and then our second daughter
was born while we were there. About a year and
a half later, about six months into our living there,
we started hearing noises in the house. It's an older home.
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It's in the Capitol District of downtown Denver, so it's
a historic kind of district. So our house was built
in nineteen oh four, older home, two story home. And
we'd all be downstairs in the living room, say, and
we'd hear something walking across upstairs, and you knew distinctly
what that sound was when someone was upstairs walking, because
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the floorboards are creaking, literally.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And you knew the sound.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
So we would hear this randomly, daytime, nighttime, whatever. But
pretty much on a regular basis, and yeah, it didn't
bother us. There was no ill intense so to speak,
no negative association with it.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Was just interesting. It's curious what was going on there.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
And then one night we went to a Rockies game
and this was like the first year that I think
they were in the league, so they were playing down
at Mile High Stadium still and there's a big thunderstorm
that they had to cancel the game after it started
raining because of lightning and the metal stands and all
that stuff, so we had to go home. We got
home that there's a power outreach in the city for
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a while. So by the time we got home, our house,
our neighborhood was pitch black, pitch Stark, and when the
babysitter we had was front across the street. His name
was Graham, and he was about fourteen years old or so,
and we walked in the door and he was sitting
on our couch in the dark, and he just looked
at us, he goes, your house is haunted, and he
just bolted across the street back to his house, back
(38:50):
to home, and we at that point he was kind
of Okay, there's some confirmation there, because we knew exactly
what he was talking about. He never elaborated on it,
and we didn't press him because we kind of knew
what he was talking about. And then the last part
of that little adventure in Denver was I was sleeping,
I woke up at three in the morning. I just
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looked down the end of the bed and there was
a figure of a woman at the foot of the bed,
looking down on my wife and I as were in bed,
and she was in a white gown, kind of longish,
dark hair, but I could make out any facial features necessarily,
but definitely a figure standing there, and then she turned
and just slowly dissipated walking down the hallway. My wife
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also saw this same figure later on at another instance.
So again that was corroperted and verified somewhat, and none
of these experiences were negative. We didn't freak out about
it at all. It was all the spirit seemed to
be a benign one, which we were thankful for, and
you know, we just all basically got along cohabitated.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
So well, that's just too crazy for me. I don't
know if I could even deal with.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
That, what with the ghost. Yeah, I don't know. You know,
it's you just kind of. I grew up in an
older home. I mean, you kind of hear sounds. It
just didn't seem that extraordinary. It was kind of it
was kind of cool, to be honest. It became kind
of a little bragging point for us to a certain degree.
(40:25):
And maybe people think we're crazy because of it, but
we didn't feel any judgment. But it was always, you know,
a fun story to tell.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Talk about your uh your bigfoot encountervent that you had.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Right, So this one definitely falls into the uh, the
WU category of a bigfoot experience. You know, I've listened
to a ton of your your Guys' podcast, like three
quarters of them at least, so you know, I got
a taste for what you guys do. I really enjoy it.
I like your format, I like your approach. I think
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you take just a very even handed, cool approach with
your guests, and I've learned a lot. So the whole
aspect of sasquatch that doesn't seem to be getting explored
that much is the WU aspect. In fact, it gets
discounted from my experience listening to other podcasts and even
(41:24):
some professional or scientific guests you've had on your show
where you know, they just say, oh, it's a flesh
and blood creature. Well I think it's more than that.
I mean, I know it's more than that based on
my experience. But I didn't even know what i'd experienced
again until I had listened to podcasts that described exactly
what happened to me. And guess that described what happened
(41:46):
was just what I had experienced. So then the light
went on in my head. I well, I can share.
IM going to share my experience because this was so real,
It was visceral.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
It was as though.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I was touching a sasquatch in my opinion, and I
guess in a certain way respectat I feel I was.
But just to go, you know, go over the actual incident.
This was back in two thousand and six, and we
were camping at North Cascades National Park, which is basically
in the foothills of the Cascades. The North Cascades beautiful area,
(42:19):
very remote, and the campgrounds there are just spectacular and
all the hiking you can do and fishing and what
have you, so just a very really beautiful, rugged area.
We were doing the old car camping there. We had
a camp group campsite with about five families. We did
it every year in the first week of August, we'd
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pick a different campsite. This was the one we picked
that particular year. We were just hanging out at the
camp one night and we're telling stories and sharing jokes
and what have you, and everybody's just kind of going
to bed. I actually tended to be the fire tender.
I enjoyed working with the fire and keeping it going
and then making sure it went out at night, so
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I kind of made that my responsibility when we were
camping and overseeing that aspect to make sure everything was
under control. So I was when of the last ones
at the fire. This other fellow ed was with me
and we're just chatting watching the coals die down, and
finally about ten thirty, I said, well, I'm turning in,
and he's like, yeah, me too. So we went our
(43:23):
separate ways to our tents, and I was probably fifteen
feet away from my tent. I mean I knew where
the tent was, and all of a sudden, it went black. Literally,
it's like a black veil came down from the sky
and surrounded me and I could not see. And when
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I couldn't see, I kind of started to panic, like, so,
what exactly is going on?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Where am I? What is happening? Am I having a stroke?
You know? What is the deal here?
Speaker 5 (43:57):
It was totally foreign, nothing close to experiencing before. And
also then I started to feel this like dread, like
what is happening? I just I couldn't explain it. So
as I'm standing there, I know exactly where the tent
should be as I'm positioned, but I couldn't see it,
(44:18):
and this image came up in front of my in
front of my face, in my mind's eye, that there
was a sasquatch literally standing in front of me, and
that I had this overwhelming feeling that if I stretched
my arm out, you know, three feet in front of me,
I would be touching one. And he was right there
(44:38):
and he was projecting this image to me. I was frozen.
I couldn't move. My wife and kids are sleeping and
I can't I can't get to him. So I was
really a trippy, disorienting experience. And then just I could
had just as it had come over me, it also
(44:59):
went away. It just slowly things started to dissipate, and
then the ambient light and everything came back, and there
was the tent literally six feet away from me, and
I just crawled into the tent, and you know, whole.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Thing shook me at the time.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
It shook me for a while afterwards, I didn't talk
about it a whole lot because how do you explain that?
And I'd never heard of getting zapped by a sasquatch
before at that point in my life, I had no
idea what the experience was about. So I just kept,
you know, kept quiet about it. I told my wife
about it, but other than that, I really I didn't
(45:40):
want to tell anyone because you know, people give you
looks and they start to think, uh, what do you
want about? So I kept quiet about But once I
started hearing a bit from your podcast and others about
getting zapped, I was like, that's exactly what happened to me,
very clearly what happened to me, and the whole wu
aspect of sasquatch is just it kind of became just
(46:04):
as important to me as the actual proof of the
physical creature itself at this point. So that's kind of
my little mini crusade of my own, is to investigate
or look into the wu aspect of sasquatch because I
do I believe that's.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
A trait for sure.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Now whether every sasquatch has it, I can't say, but
definitely there's something going on out there beyond just the physical.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, what do you think? What do you think Bigfoot
or sasquatch it is. Do you think it is a
supernatural creature? Do you think it comes from outer space?
Do you think it's why do you think it has
if it has those traits of cloaking.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
And I think it's a creature, that's.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What's your definition.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I guess sasquatch, like other creatures, I think is on
a spectrum or a range of species. One size doesn't
fit all here. I harken back to when you had
an interview with Ron Moorehead I believe his name is.
(47:11):
He talked about quantum sasquatch that was really interesting in
the whole dimensional aspect, and he really put it plainly.
You know that there are, however many dimensions there are,
let's say there's seven. We don't know there's probably there
may be more, but we're only we only deal in three, really,
so that's four other levels that we're not even scratching
(47:32):
the surface on. So that really struck me as something
that you made.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
The portal.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Argument or the portal possibility real to me. I think
this creature is maybe on a spectrum of very physical,
you know, straight up physical, too interdimensional. I'm not going
to say supernatural. I think that's putting a little.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Bit too much to it.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think if you're if you can go through dimensions,
that's enough for me. You know that's I don't think
they're nephlum. I don't think there's a biblical base to them.
I think they've just been around for a long time.
But that's as far as I go with that. I
really think that Sasquatch as a creature is, is on
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a spectrum or a range of abilities and states. Quite frankly,
I think there's different kinds, different types, as I've heard
described by some of your guests and also what I've
read and researched on my own. So I really think
you can't pigeonhole it into one one thing. I think
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that there they there's a number of them, different types
of them, and they have different abilities all the way
from just being very physical and living in the world
to being able to enter our dimension in and out
through portals.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I really believe that.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, that's very possible.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Nobody knows it's going to say.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
You know, like a lot of things in life, it's
just there are no absolutes, Uh, there are, just there's
often a lot shade. And I think it's for Sasquatch
as well, their abilities and their school capabilities and their
mental and psychic capabilities of that matter.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
And I've said it, you know many times on the
show that all we have, oh anybody has is theories
and pretty much guesswork, basically because until somebody can actually
sit down with a big foot and learn by I mean,
we're never going to say anything. It's all yeah, hearsay
and theory, and that's.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
All we have.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, And what I find frustrating is how do you
how do you learn more though? How do you get
more too closer to the bottom of the issue, how
do you or figuring really figuring out what it's all about.
That's that's what's kind of mind boggling and frustrating at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Keep getting out of the woods, keep doing what you're doing,
and hopefully one of them.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Exactly exactly well. To that end, my wife and I
are going to Vancouver Island next month for our anniversary
and so we're going to go to a very a
few different spots on the west coast of Vancouver Island
and we're gonna do you know, they'll get out there
(50:29):
and do a little squatch and I think because it
will be in some pretty remote areas and I'm looking
forward to that.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We talked about Vancouver Island many times. Let us know,
let us know how it goes up there.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, Vancouver Island.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Huge area.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
I mean well, I mean I may have mentioned it
in my email to you, but you know, I grew
up with sasquatch, but just growing up in Tacoma, in
Pierce County. If you look at the bfr old website,
Washington State has the most sightings by number seven hundred
and twenty two or something like that. And of those
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seven hundred and twenty two, Pierce County, which is where
Tacoma's look at, it has the most in Washington State
at eighty four. So you know, I'm a kid, I'm
at ten years old. I had no idea we were
in the hotbed of a bigfoot country, but sure enough
we were. And the Tacoma News Tribune when I was
eleven years old. There was a spade of sightings and
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incidents around puallup just outside home, and that's very kind
of rural farm country. And I mean the Tribune treated
it like you know, regular news. They didn't make it,
you know, spoof it or they just covered it straight up.
And it was really interesting, you know, instead of making
it like a feature story. It was actually actual news
story and they treated it that way. And it was
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really caught my attention when I was a kid, and
then I read John Green's books and so I was
kind of into it when I was little.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
But then you know, you drift away.
Speaker 5 (52:02):
Life gets in the way and you start raising a
family and what have you, and things change. But I
came back to it, you know, uh, you know, with
with COVID and went on, I had a chance to
kind of focus on some different stuff and that bigfoot
was one of them. So yeah, I'm definitely interested in
pursuing it further.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And you're in the perfect area. I mean, where you're
at you can just shoot over to the Olympic Peninsula
and you know, get out there and do some investigation. Yeah,
so if you if you see anything or hear anything
or know of anything you got to reach back out there.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Yes, last year I went to a Quinnault Beach resort,
which is Ocean Shores, Washington, and went to the Sasquatch
Summit and I met the folks from the Olympic Research
Project over there, and some members of Todd's Standing's team
as well, and that was interesting. That was that was
the first time I gone to a.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Who did you mean? Who did you? Who else?
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Conference?
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Do you remember who else you met over there?
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Just the head You've talked to? The guy from the
Olympic Research Project. I his name escapes right now, but yeah,
it was one of the main guys. He gave me
the rundown on what they're doing and what that they're
all about, which is really interesting. And then the top
Todd Standing folks, I really don't remember. They weren't I know,
(53:29):
it wasn't him, so I I just you know, we
were just chatting in between speakers and what have you.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
All right, well, Hans again.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, so I'm gonna keep Yeah. I just one other thing.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I really do love the dog Man content you guys
have been putting together too. I think that's a cool,
cool topic.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And yeah, that seems to be.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
Crazy and mysterious, more and more popular. So cool. Yeah,
who would have thunk that.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Was only supposed to movies when I was you know,
but you wonder where where that culture comes from and
why they started making those movies. So uh, it all
kind of goes back to that old school stuff, where
like where did these well you know, who thought of
this idea? Was it a thought or were people really
seeing these things? And apparently they were right?
Speaker 5 (54:23):
And I'm sure I'm sure you guys have probably looked
at a little bit on research it a little bit,
but there's been a lot of over the centuries, a
lot of dog type dog human type creatures that have
interacted supposedly interacted with with other civilizations and we're actual
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tribes or what have you that were they were part
of our culture. So you know, where does that come from?
I mean, what how does There's got to be a
grain of truth, I guess and just you know Egypt
all gene all that with with what's his face the
dog guy, not Osyrus, but the the other one. Anyway,
(55:09):
it doesn't matter a Newbis, thank you so much. Yeah
that's the guy. Yeah, where does all this come from?
So it's uh, it's really interesting. But anyway, I just
wanted to mention that that that's really cool that you
get thank you.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Well we got more coming, just so you know. Unfortunately,
we got more dog men.
Speaker 5 (55:32):
Chis and I'm just curious, what's that bud good good good.
And I'm just gonna, you know, throw myself out there.
I recently retired about a year ago, and good for you.
I don't know if you guys, yeah, thanks, And my
wife is retiring at the end of November, so we're
(55:54):
both going to be retired at that point. But but
I I just you know, if you guys want any help,
like volunteer help for doing research on stuff, if or
chasing down some leads or whatever you want. If you
just need an extra set of hands, I'm glad to
help you out.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
If you have any interest. If you need any help,
you just let me know. Well, that'd be glad.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
The coolest thing you could do is just send us content.
Thanks you hear your respect for cryptids and investigating like
like we want to do is greatly appreciated. Anything you
guys can send us is awesome. So yeah, yeah, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (56:29):
All right, Hopefully I'll come back with something from Vancouver Island.
I could send your way as well.
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Definitely, Yeah, letting us see what happens either way. I mean,
you know, shoot us an email or reach out to
us one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
So all right, yeah, I will do that.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Be safe out there too, all right, hands, We appreciate you, thanks, buddy,
all right, thanks, take care. All right, man, it was
really cool having Hans on, having Bill on and talking
about those different kind of spectrums. You know, you got
the dog Man, you got the orbs, you got the Bigfoot,
you got the ghosts, everything's going on. I mean, there's
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a different world out there. People have to understand there's
different there's different things going on there. This is not
just made up. People are not talking about this just
to talk about it. There's nothing for them to gain.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
So yeah, have you noticed this stuff is happening more
frequently now? I don't know if it's because, like like
we said before, we're all getting outside more and we're
encroaching more on their their property, their habitats, or something's coming.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Listeners, We appreciate you guys for being here as always,
it's always.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I love you guys.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Thanks for being with us. If it wasn't for you,
we would not be here, So shat you guys all.
Bryan my friend, You're awesome. Thanks for being here with me.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Always fun man, always learning.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
All right, you ready to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
See you
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