October 20, 2025 • 55 mins
Tyler delivers a raw, firsthand account of awakening through adversity - where truth hides in plain sight, the spiritual war is at your doorstep, time-travel is a reality, and extraterrestrial interference is more common than you might think! Let's Go!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Paranormal. It surrounds us. It's everywhere. Tonight you will hear
from the people who live and work within these highly
active locations, all in the efforts to discover America's most
(00:29):
haunted and most Haunted. With your host Ghost Times are
an author, Dan Terry.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good Evening Boys and Guls. I am Dan Terry, your
ghost host with the most Haunted. But you know what,
We're gonna go more into the conspiracy thing tonight. You
all know how much I love the conspiracy. Hey back
in Gosh, you can't remember the night. He's two thousand.
A British kid named McKinnon I believe, got into some
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US Government Air Force NASA stuff looking for UFO information,
found allegedly names of ships that do not exist here
and a listing of non terrestrial officers, meaning people from
the Earth who was not currently serving on Earth. Well,
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that started this whole thing with whether or not we
have a secret space fleet. And I have got a
guest tonight who will really change your mind if you
think this is all nonsense. Tyler Koala is Well, he's
an et experiencer. He has done a lot of interviews.
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He runs his own conferences. Rebels of I forget rebels
of disinformation or something like that. We'll talk to him
about it here in a minute. More importantly, I had
him on before some of you all may remember, and
we talked about giants and how the Smithsonian is hiding stuff.
I had done an article about it. I got to
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chat with him about it, and he brought some incredible
evidence that it wasn't just giants. There's entire civilizations that
is being hidden from us. But now he's onto the
Secret Space Fleet and I'm going to bring him up
so we can chat about it now.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Tyler koala you okay, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not bad? Tyler. Last time you was here, you brought
some incredible ideas and evidence on civilizations that may even
still exist that we don't know about. But I missed
your lecture on the Secret Space Fleet, so I wanted
to hear your opinion of that. It's something that really
is interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah. Absolutely. First of all, disclosure, not rebels of disinformation,
but I love it. I'll disclosure, and yeah, you have
me cracking up.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But you've done a lot on disclosure of not just UFOs,
but all kinds of things. The government has been heightened
from us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, absolutely so it was it was actually, you know,
we grow up being interested in all this stuff, the
paranormal sasquash, cryptids, UFOs, but it's always just an interest.
And it wasn't until twenty eighteen when I really had this,
Like I heard my very first secret Space program whistleblower,
and the testimony filled in all the blanks that, like
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you could say, History Channel leaves us with you know,
every show ends with you know, it tells you all
these amazing possibilities and then it kind of debunks itself
at the end of the show and then you're left
hanging or could it be Well? I started listening to
the these military whistleblowers and they were filling in all
the blanks and like, this is the rest of the story.
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This is what they don't tell us on TV, and
it made a lot of sense. And it's so outlandish
you can't just believe it at first, you just take
it with a grain of salt. But it really got
me going and sent me down this rabbit hole. And
the more I looked the more you try to debunk
something like this, the more I was finding evidence to
support it. And the evidence goes all the way back
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to Roswell and even before that, even the late eighteen hundreds.
You know, if we really want to get into some
of the stuff, some of the sightings, and if we
talk about you know, we can talk about sightings, but
who are who's piloting these crafts? Where did they come from?
And did the humans actually know? Was there a secret society?
Was there a pact made between a group of exraterrestrials
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and a group of humans way back before we were
ever even privy to it. So you have to start
asking yourself these questions. But I realized that, yes, I
think something like that happened, and there has been a
secret treaty or an agreement made for a very long time,
and the whole Roswell incident, that's you know, obviously we
know Stephen Greer is coming forward right now and a
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bunch of other whistleblowers, the UAP Task Force. Jason Sands
was just on Joe Rogan's podcast talking about some really
incredible stuff. So all these guys are starting to reach
the mainstream. Nob with the surface level information of these programs,
they're not really giving you everything yet, but there's a
lot more there that the people who have been in
this for years, know about We understand there's an order
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of operations that has to hit the public. But they
can't just throw it all on everybody at once. It's
too much because this stuff is so I heard a
quote one time that I love. It's that the truth
is so unbelievable that it will debunk itself because people
won't believe it. They actually will genuinely reject it because
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we've been so programmed to not believe in this stuff.
But the reality in the situation is technologies such as
time travel and teleportation exists. We have declassified CIA documents
that verify this, documents that even claim we have men
that can walk through walls and do amazing things, psionic
abilities like dream walking where we can send our consciousness
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into another person's dream, soul splitting, sole abduction, consciousness abduction.
I mean, we're talking about things that should only exist
in a sci fi movie. But there turns out to
be real evidence, at least some sort of a paper
trail that would indicate that this stuff actually exists. So
you have to really go back to the drawing board
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and rethink everything he thought you knew and we had,
Like you said, Gary, McKinnon in two thousand and one
the largest military hack of all time. He hacked the
NASA and Navy servers and he found a list of
nonterrestrial offers, offers officers, and a list of space vessels,
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a space fleet, and even a of a cigar shaped
craft hovering in low Earth orbit that he says, while
he was trying to download that photo, somebody took over
his computer and deleted it, so he never actually got
to save the photo, but he talks about it. By
the way, Gary McKinnon is back on the scene. He
just reappeared resurfaced on x a couple of weeks ago
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Twitter after decades of hiding because he now feels it's
safe to come forward and start talking again, because he
was kind of threatened and scared into silence. But the
only reason they didn't put him away is because it's
something called the discovery process in a lawsuit where both
parties have to bring evidence to the table, and it
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would be damning to the actual solar rewarding program that
they're trying to keep secret if they were to take
it to trial, so it was better just to leave
it alone. So we have I mean, it depends on
where you want to start with this. But in my
personal opinion, there is the the biggest aspect of this
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that people may not be ready to talk about, but
I think it's one of the key factors in the
understanding of the secret space program is the existence of
time travel or teleportation, because what we're dealing with with
these UFOs are craft that aren't operating on an advanced
propulsion system like we've been led to believe. Yes, some
of them are, but when they travel, they're traversing space
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and time. They are bending time and in some cases
traveling even in another dimension through something they called dimensional
shift technology that was developed or reverse engineered and implemented
during the Philadelphia experiment, and it's been later used and
retrofitted into our craft that military uses. They have a
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fleet at Area fifty one and other bases all around
the country, all around the world. We would look up
in the sky and think they're UFOs, but quite possibly
they're our own reverse craft. So I'll pause there unless
you ask any questions that you want.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, let's go by to the McKinnon thing, because he
had found this stuff and the US government said it's
not true. But we still want to bring him over here,
tryum and put him in prison for forty years, and
they fought for years. I think the British government refused
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to let them come and get in, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah. I don't know all the politics of the situation,
but I definitely know he'd never ended up being put away.
And I found out through a whistleblower, a Navy veteran,
Darryl James, who his executive officer told him on the
base that he was stationed at in Saint magg in England.
He you know, whenever he was being read in on
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the slower warden program the Navy Space Command, he didn't
believe it. So one of their selling points was to
the new recruits was, you know, the Gary McKinnon story,
the hack, And they're like, yeah, They're like, that was real.
It's all everything he found is real. And then they
explained to him that it was through the discovery process
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that he ended up getting away because they realized like
the only way they could even put him away was
to prove that what he found didn't exist, but it
would just open the door that they didn't want to open.
So he got lucky. He got lucky in that regard
but I think he might have been protected by higher
forces too, because you know, anything, anything birthed in secrecy
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is technically not of the light because they're keeping it
a secret for a reason, and it's probably for nefarious purposes.
And we can get into that enslaving humanity and all
this other stuff. But nevertheless, there seems to be a
real secret space program or programs, or what some people
refer to as parallel space programs. You know, we had
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the Dog and Pony Show with NASA, and that gets
in the Warner von Braun and Project paper Clip and
World War two and how the paper Clip Nazis came
over here and they were new identities that were literally
paper clipped onto like a clipboard, and it was Project
paper Clip. So and obviously these Nazi scientists were basically
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implanted into our infrastructure on American soil, and Warner von
Braun led the NASA division and the rockets, and depending
on who you talk to and what you read, it
seemed like he might have been put in place to
kind of keep a lid on the real technology that
can make the Americans think that the rocket program was
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the greatest and best technology that we had while simultaneously,
they were literally developing time travel technology with the Nazi
bell and even the latest Indiana Jones movie talks about that,
the Dial of Destiny. There's a lot of truth to
that movie, and that correlates to the Sands of Time material,
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which is where you find out the origins of time
travel within the shadow government. It all ties together. So
we had this dog pony show with the space program
with NASA and simultaneously being developed out was an actual
secret space program that no one in the public I
knew about. When we get into the real society, the
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women who were in Maria Orsik that were channeling blueprints
from al Deboron and they were literally building UFOs based
on the channel blueprints. And this was NASA. I mean
our Hitler called house Offer, Hams, Commlaer, all the big
names in Germany at the time, they were all privy
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to this because there was a deal made. It's a
whole long story. I won't get into it, but I
might be all over the place for now. Sorry. This
is one of my favorite subjects, So I'll let you
ask another question if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
When we're talking about this secret space force or space
secret space fleet, are we talking. Are we getting into
real star trek, going to other planets, going to other
Solar systems, uh, warp type speed or time travel whatever,
or are we just talking about something right here in
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the vicinity you say from mars.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
In definitely started off from mars In. It seems that
they one of the first places that they went was
the backside of the Moon, and they already discovered bases there.
And there's been a number of people, even a former
Air Force captain or sergeant Carl Wolfe, who was deceased now,
but he was one of the primary whistleblowers that talked
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about the bases on the backside of the Moon, and
he was a credible man. And they found those. They
discovered those through the U through their passes before the
actual Apollo missions when they were sending or satellite around
the backside to basically scope out the area. So in
all reality, the NASA the Apollo program was a reconnaissance mission,
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but it seemed to start off on the Moon, and
allegedly when when we got there, the German had already
established the base there at some point in the forties,
and there's information that indicates that they had even made
it to Mars in the forties as well. And you
know it sounds crazy, but there we start more and
more people are coming forward and you have to start
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asking yourself these questions, did this really happen? And we
have the alternatives. I don't know if you know about
the alternative one, two and three scenario. So I actually
have that slide up just so I don't butcher it.
So alternatives one, two and three. So back in nineteen
seventy seven, there was a television program called The Science
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Report that would come on once a month or once
a week maybe, and they presented an episode as nonfiction
science and they called it Science Report Alternatives one, two,
and three, and they talked about this long term plan
of colonizing space. Plan one consisted of maating nuclear bombs
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in the atmosphere there wi allow pollution to heat and
dissipate into space, Operation Starfish Prime or Operation fish Bowl.
That happened. We know that they were sending nukes into
the upper atmosphere and blowing them up. That was alternative one.
There's a whole bunch of theories behind that, where they're
trying to blow a hole in a firmament, where they
trying to you know whatever, who knows. Alternative two was
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a plan to construct vast subterranean habitats for the elite
to escape to in the event of a global catastrophe.
So they developed an underground network of dumbs, deep underground
military bases and even cities. There's good that has been established.
There have been credible men that have come forward and
blew the whistle on that, and they have even done
mainstream news reports at this point disclosing the reality of
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these underground bases and cities. So that happened. Then you
have alternative three, which was colonizing the Moon and Mars,
moving the space and colonizing them in Mars. Basically, a
group of scientists and commoners were kidnapped to provide personnel
for a project to colonize the Moon in Mars to
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prevent the leak of information about the programs. So they
were essentially kidnapped against their will, and that gets into
the whole Epstein Island thing. Believed they or not, they
were blackmailed at the island and to brought into these
programs so they would never talk. They had dirt on them.
But according to the teleplay that was showed on TV,
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our moneyed masters cet bases as the only escape from
Earth doomed by pollution and overpopulation, and they are fleeing
to domed cities on Mars and the Moon. So this
was on a television program in nineteen seventy seven that
they came back and after they rebubbled and said it
was an April Fool's prank, but it wasn't released on
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April first. It was released in June of nineteen seventy seven,
So they I wrote it off as a joke, but
there's a lot of diehard people on the inside and said, no,
they kind of have to tell you what they're doing.
There's something called revelation of the method. They show you
what they're doing. If you laugh at it, laugh it
off as a joke, then the joke's on you and
they get away with it because now they have gotten
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our consent. So if alternative one, two and three actually
happened and we're real, then this has been a plan
at least since the seventies, based on this program alone,
of colonizing the million of Mars. Have we made it
past there? I would say so, based on some of
the some of these guys who are coming forward, but uh,
you know, you don't want to go too far, too
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fast with this stuff because it's a lot to grasp
for some people.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Okay, all right, there is a lot here to open up.
Are these ets, these aliens? Are they with us? Are
they against us? Are they what? What's their story? What
do we need to think about on this?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's so it's not black and white. There's a lot
of gray area there. And there's a lot of i
would say, warring factions. There's a lot of different et
groups that have made deals with our government as we
as you know, we all know the Great Ed Treaty
and Eisenhower and you know that whole deal where allegedly
they've made the deal to exchange humans in exchange for
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technology that you know, we won't go spend a lot
of time on that, but there seems to be some
that are very for humanity and want to help us,
and there seems to be some that want to enslave
us or even possibly feed off of us, as crazy
as that sounds. We may even be a fuel source
for some of these nefarious groups, you know, such as
the reptilians and stuff. And you know, we have the
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cattle mutilations and all these things that you wouldn't think
a benevolent race would come and do to our planet. So,
you know, there's like Stephen Greer, you know, he's a
broken record when it comes to this. He's adamant that
there are no negative ets. I think he has been
sadly misinformed. I think that that's the silly as saying
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there's no negative humans. I think it's just there's diversity
within every species, and I think it's up to the individual,
especially especially an intelligent race. There's always going to be
greed involved, and you know, ego and there's things. You know,
just because you're an ET doesn't mean that you're enlightened,
and that's what we have to understand. So I think
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there's more politics involved behind the scenes, and I think
a lot of the stuff that we see playing out
on the surface, even in the political arena, is the
result of some of these warring ET factions in the
background that have been working alongside our governments and underground
right beneath our feet for decades.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was any of them here before all this was? Was
there aliens living here you know, one thousand, two thousand,
ten thousand years ago?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So yeah, I mean, I would say absolutely from my oininion,
but that's debatable. Obviously, the whole Ancient Aliens things kind
of primed the whole collective consciousness with that show in
twenty ten. When it came out, it was kind of
mind blowing, but it planted that seed oh aliens had
been here all along, right, and there's evidence of that.
And I met a man in Sedona recently. Right after
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the UNEX conference. I went to Sedona for another conference
and I was staying with a man who I didn't
even know who he was until I got to his house,
and he's an eighty five year old quantum physicist who
worked forty years in the shadow government reverse engineering UFOs WOW,
and he had some of the most incredible stories I've
ever heard. I tried my very best to convince him
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to go on camera to do an interview, and he
would not do it. He said he was scared. I
think he was scared in the silence, because he said
he was told that anybody that filmed him wouldn't make
it across the street alive with the footage if he
shared what he knew on camera. So I did an
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interview with him, but it was all by memory, and
he told me that he worked in the underground basis.
He was basically fat fast tracked through the Air Force
because of his IQ scores and a number of other
things psychic abilities and stuff that he had that they
looked for for recruits for the unacknowledged special access programs
which he was brought into. Are the private sector, as
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he called it, and he said that they frequented the
tunnel network. That's how they got around the whole country
from base to base. There's a tram system on the
ground that takes you all over the place, even all
over the planet. Even claimed it goes under the oceans.
And he said some of these tunnels were fairly new,
man made within the last fifty sixty seventy years. But
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he said some of them are so old they don't
have any idea who built them. And he said that
there were teams that he watched go in they were
trying to date these tunnels because they had been vitrified.
Whenever the tunnel is created with a plasma type of
technology that turns the rock essentially into glass, and it
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coached a tunnel with a vitrification process that makes it
basically Indestructiblen't it won't even collapse in on itself even
in an earthquake, so they're virtually indestructible. But he said
their best guests was that their best guess was that
some of these tunnels were made at least two hundred
million years ago. That's what he told me. He goes that,
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I'm not exaggerating with that number. He goes, I saw
the team. I knew the guys, and they're dating for
the tunnels that have existed on this planet go all
the way back two hundred million years, meaning that there
has been a history that has been kept secret from
us that we would blow our socks off if we
learn the truth about. So even the guys on the
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know don't know who built those tunnels. They're so old.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Wow. Is this going to link back to whatever's going
on in Antarctica?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Absolutely? Yeah. So Antarctica is basically, man, there's a lot
of stories about Antarctica. Basically, every possible conspiracy theory you
can think of might be happy in Antarctica. And you know,
we can just pick one. But I like to go
back to There's a guy we've interviewed a couple of times.
His name is John Warner the Fourth. His father was
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John Warner. He was he was a senator in the seventies,
but he was Secretary to Navy as well in the seventies.
And there was a movie called The Final Countdown that
came out in nineteen eighty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So
he was John Warner went to the premiere of that
film with his father, who was the Secretary of the Navy,
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and he said, the whole theater was it was like
a private screening, and the whole theater was filled with
top Navy brass and politicians, and he didn't understand why,
like what this special event was. They watched the movie
up and applauded, and afterwards, he said, the Secretary of
the Navy said to the president. I think the President
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was there. He said, mister President, with your permission, we
now have your new recruitment film, something along those lines.
I think I'm butchering that story. Either way, the whole
plan for that movie was to be a Navy recruitment film.
And he was scratching his head. He's like, why would
a movie about time travel and portals be a Navy
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recruitment film? Why would all the top brass and politicians
in the country be at the premiere of this unless
it was real, which it was, because it dealt with
the Philadelphia Experiment and what they were trying to do there.
What they were trying to do with the Philadelphia Experiment
was basically go back in time fifteen minutes before an
attack to prevent the attack or counter strike first.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So Tyler, let's stop right here for a quick commercial break,
and then I want to get back with you and
talk about that attorney Basiano what ever's name was, who
said he was part of this at one time, part
of this travel.
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Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, Tyler, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Okay, So what the point I was getting to is
that John Warner, the Secretary to Navy was I personally
know his son, John Warner the fourth and his son
told me that when he asked his dad about what
was going on in Antarctica, his dad would always give
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him some bullshit fluff answer and he's like, come on, Dad,
He's like, I overhear your conversations. Why is Antarctica a hotspot?
Why are all these countries going down there for these
meetings and making these business deals and claiming land down there?
And he said, I can't tell you, but there's two
words I can tell you. And he said, what he
goes space operations, And that's all I told him. And
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there have been a number of people to claim that
that is one of the major space ports on the
planet where they can come and go from the planet
without the public ever knowing about it, because we don't
really have access to it. It's a no fly zone
for commercial airliners. There's a number of reasons we can't
go there. You can go there, but you can't access
the parts that are classified. And a neutrino detector down
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there that is used for intergalactic communication essentially. There's a guy,
Eric Hecker who blew the whistle on that and he
spoke at Stephen Grier's last press conference. So they have
a device down there that can absolutely communicate intergalactically through
a quim entanglement essentially meaning instantaneous communication across the universe.
And it is a big array under the ice one
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square mile one mile by one mile wide, by by
long by deep. It's a cube of these arrays antenna
arrays under the ice. But it's a communications device for
not only within the planet, but with you know, in
space as well. So Antarctica absolutely plays a huge role
in this. And there's allegedly crashed UFOs down there that
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had been frozen the ice for centuries by the ancient
builder rays to people who are responsible for the Pyramids
and all the ancient megalists, underground caverns and civilizations of
ets that's still exist and reside there today. So that's Antarctica. Uh.
You mentioned wanting to know something about Andrew Bishago.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, I was kind of going on this idea that
you were talking about. They used the time travel and
he claimed he was as a child part of that experiment,
Operations Stargate I think it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Was, Yes, Well, Stargate is actually the is a remote
viewing program, but it might be tied in, but it
was Project Pegasus in particular that he talked about being
involved with, and basically his dad sold him into the program.
You know, his dad was working for the shadow government
for lack of a better term, and his son, he
was born into the program and they were using children
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essentially as test subjects for early time travel technology. And
he claims to have been a part of eight different
modalities of time travel that they were attempting to use.
And he's we've interviewed him, he's listed to different modalities
and he has uh there are there are very uh
there's ten effects health effects that actually impact you over
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time and he has lost his vision from going through
these portals, essentially because when you go through a portal.
He claims that there's something that happens called molecular dissociation
where your body literally molecular dissociates. You'd basically die and
come back to life when you go through a portal,
and it takes a toll on your body after years
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of this, and the guys who pilot the UFOs that
were reverse engineering the UFOs were experiencing these same effects
because when they realized when they finally turned these UFOs on,
they weren't just traveling in space, they were traveling in time.
So they thought they were gone for an hour, but
the guys on the ground thought they were gone for
three days. And you can read these reports, so there's
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definitely something going on with time travel just by operating
the craft themselves. So temporal dissociation they have negative you know,
has negative health effects on you. And that's what happened
with Andrew is he lost his vision. But he claims
that very real and they have, you know, he says
the whole game, there's a temporal war being fought behind
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the scenes. Right now that he said everything all the governments,
all the private sectors. The whole game is the name
of the game is trying to get their hands on
the next best time tech. And he calls it time
travel cat and mouse. And there's there's you know, there's
groups going back and you know, changing history and altering
the timeline and as creating Mandela effects, and there's glitches
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and all these weird things. There's so many groups that
can't keep up with it. And he said, in the
early days, when they were testing this technology and they
didn't have control, they couldn't contain the field that they
were Basically they were tearing a hole in space time
every time they would travel, and they didn't have the
technology early on to contain the field, meaning it would
leave an open hole and literally allow in what they
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would call inter dimensional invaders. A lot of the UFO
flap in the forties and fifties, they claim came from
other dimensions because they were tearing holes all over the place,
like with the Philadelphia Experiment and Nazi bell. It was
tearing holes in space time and UFOs and and craft
were coming in literally from other dimensions, and we had
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this huge flap. So they built HARP, which we now
know as a weather modification antenna. Allegedly, the original intention
for HARP was to try and create a frequency net
around our at least our country at the time, around
the planet to seal up these holes. They were trying
their best because they didn't know. They thought they just
royally screwed up, and we were inviting in all these
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you know, who knew who we were inviting into our airspace.
But it was a major national security risk. So you know,
that's where time travel comes in, and the Nazi bel
when it disappeared from the German base in nineteen forty five,
it reappeared in Tricksburg, Pennsylvania in nineteen sixty five, the
exact same crap and the paper clip. Scientists that were
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involved in the crash recovery team they knew exactly what
they were looking at whenever it landed. Not our guys.
Our guys didn't know, but there were guys on that
team that knew exactly what it was and they couldn't
believe it actually time traveled. It didn't just disappear at time,
tried twenty years in the future. If they were discovering
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things like that, you can only imagine where they're at
now with this stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Right, and that's kind of what I'm trying to figure out.
A friend of yours and by I'm Lily Nova, was
a guest on the show and showed an incredible video
she took which honestly to me, looked like one uf allow.
I'll just call it that because that's what I was
raised with, shooting another one. I saw the beam gold
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Cross and this thing disappeared, and I've played it here.
I'm sure you've seen it many times. What is there
a war going on that we're not aware of?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Allegedly, yes, and it's been happening for quite some time.
And I think a lot of the anomalies that we
see in the sky sometimes I think they can so
easily be explained a way as a starlink launch or
you know, a rocket coming back to Earth or shooting star.
But what if it's not. What if we're seeing the
result of some sort of space battle as well, and
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a craft is burning up in our atmosphere. I mean,
we just can we can only speculate, but there's information
out there that would point to that being the case.
I would say it's definitely not off the table. I mean,
I would like to think that that wouldn't ever come
to our doorstep and things won't get serious. And I
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think that's part of the reason this has kept a secret,
because if they knew that, if we knew the war
that was really taking place between these groups, they can't
control that narrative. You know, So is.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That what our secret space fleet is doing? Are they
defending us or standing guard or what do you think
they're doing? Now?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, so Solar Warden is exactly doing what the warden
would do. It's protecting our airspace. And that fleet is
that fleet was birth of the US Navy and out
of I think they called the Melton Johnson Air Space
and Nevada whatever. It's not Area fifty one, but that's
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where the original what they called the Nebraska Space Fleet,
and that's just a nickname for it. Allegedly, I don't
know if that's true, but they developed a space fleet
that was originally designed to go out and protect our airspace.
And their original command and control center was actually in
the Cayman Islands. They had an underground facility in the
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Cayman Islands where King Charles had its home and is
still there. The airport the royal family has owns the
Cayman Islands, but allegedly that that's where they would monitor
all space activity, any air It was like the air
traffic control tower for the planet, and they were they
would know anything that came into our airspace and miles
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days before whatever you get here. So there's a whole
argument that there's nothing that's showing up in our airspace
that we don't know about, unless it's slipping through another dimension,
which they have something called the Dial of Destiny in
the Indiana Jones movie that can detect fissures in time,
so they know when and where there's going to be
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a fissure in time where something could slip through, so
they can defend that space. You know, there's a lot
of truth to this stuff, and yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
No, I'm trying to place all this in my head
because I'm seeing, of course, being a sixties kid being
raised really in the seventies. I remember the Star Trek,
the Federation, and and we were out there defending other planets.
And is that kind of thing actually going on or
is this something more diabolical?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I think absolutely. The Star Trek. You know, they
keep talking about we're entering the Star Trek future, maybe
in the public eye, but the stuff that we see
in Star Trek has already been done by the Navy
in the Secret Space program and at least since the
eighties in the United States whenever you know, the Navy
Secret Space program really took off, and that would that
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would have looked very much like a Star Trek scenario.
And you can get into Gene Roddenberry and I forget
the other name, but a lot of the early Star
Trek scripts were actually channeled information that people were I
forget the name of the individual. This isn't I don't
have it memorized, but I do know this is a
true story. A lot of the early scripts were channeled
(38:35):
information and some of them were CIA approved scripts as well.
And the CIA has something they call the I can't
remember the Entertainment Military Industrial Complex or something, but it's
basically where the CIA has a division where they they
have to preapprove Hollywood scripts before they can actually make
it out into Hollywood. And and Star Trek was on
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that list. And you know, so they approve stuff and
they have to tell you what they're doing, Like I said,
because of revelation as a method. But I think that
the Star Trek scenario. It was very real, and I
think it was based on the secret Space Program, at
least in Solar Warden.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So you think we have Americans or at least humans
up there to defend the planet for whatever's coming through.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, and a lot of people think that's what Space
Force is. You know, the guys on the inside said
that Space Force basically was just Solar Warden rebranded. It's
not anything new, you know, we get this kind of
fluff cover story. But the shirt I'm wearing right now
is a US Navy patent for one of the Black
Triangle craft. It's a Tier three read But this patent
is a mass reduction It's a mass reduction device. So
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what it does is it reduces the mass of an
object as it increases in speed, so it can travel
the speed of light. Because that was always the theory.
You can't travel faster than the speed of the light
because as you increase in speed, you increase in mass
and that therefore it slows you down. So this device
is technolo he is installed in the hall of the craft.
But it's actually it's a it's a it's actually a
(40:04):
re I guess, a repurpose a restructured UH patent from
an original patent by Nicole Tesla in the twenties where
he had a patent very similar which it wasn't called
a mass reduction advice device, but it was the same
exact technology, meaning that it's been around since the twenties.
(40:26):
This technology to allow us to at least travel the
speed of light, and the Tesla's patent is out there
to prove this if anybody wants to go look it up.
But I forgot the name of the actual patent so well,
which would indicate that we're in which would indicate that
humans are in space.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
We know that Tesla's stuff was ransacked by the government
and take him away after his death, and he had
had years of training or years of ideas that were
just missing.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean somebody got that. Somebody got
their hands on that and is in the know, and
that's been the big secret. You know, it's not like
the big secret. They don't care if we know about
aliens or UFOs that they basically came out and told
us that exists. At this point, the real scenario is
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what's who they are and where they come from, and
the real game that's going on of time travel cat
and mouse, and that's what I think that the real
secret is is that we are a time traveling civilization
and they don't want us to know that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, if it is, then that explains. And I am
one myself that I distinctly remember the guy who became
the African president the Holloyds named after dying in prison.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
What's that Mandela? Yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Remember when Nelson Mandela died in prison. It was in
Time magazine. I read it in high school in my
senior year. I think it happened. And then suddenly he's
alive and you know, running for African president.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
What you want?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean you have to. So that
gets into something. We just interviewed a guy. We've interviewed
him four times. He's a he's a former former US
Air Force, uh guy whatever, and he was born he
was born in a military base and brought into these
programs and knows knows them inside and out. And he
(42:34):
is talking about something what he calls Temporal Management Command
is and they're run by the US Navy, and what
they do is they literally monitor the timeline for time,
for deviations in time for different groups that are going
back and changing something in history in significant points like
the like Abraham Lincoln's death or whatever. It might be
(42:54):
a turning point in history. They're altering the timeline, creating
the deviation, therefore creating what we would know as a
Mandela effect because it something changes, but they don't really
know what's going to change. And so then this team,
he says that TMC calls in Temple Management Command. Their
job is to go back and slowly nudge the timeline
(43:17):
back on track. It can't be done in one shot
because it would be too abrupt, so they have to
go back through and like they basically monitor that timeline
and see what's changed and then go send people through
time to basically nudge the timeline ever so slightly until
we're back on course. And he said this is going
on all the time. Now. It sounds absolutely nuts, but
(43:38):
he said this BACE is located out of Fort Bragg
in North Carolina. He said, beneath that base is one
of the biggest laboratories on this planet that goes levels
below ground and most of the top secret technology is
being developed out there, and there are thousands of scientists
working there.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
According to him, there's a lady here I'm drawing a
blank on her name, but I interviewed her a while back.
She lives on here in western North Carolina. And where
she lives, she swears there's an underground military base and
weird things have been seen. Huge tractor trailers with weird
(44:18):
equipment disappear into the woods never come back out. There's
a lot of stuff going on in the western North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and not just there, you know, Sedona,
the whole Southwest is another hub. Colorado Springs especially. There's
a number of bases, including Cheyenne on which we're all
familiar with from the Stargate SG one series, which is
allegedly based on real, real classified or declassified programs. Probably not,
they haven't been declassified, but you know what I mean.
(44:50):
And actually, the quantum physicist, the guy I met in
Sedona that told me he was part of these reverse
engineering projects of UFO projects. He told me, he goes,
you've seen Stargate, right, And I was like, yeah, he goes,
I can't stress enough how true that show is. He goes,
(45:11):
that is really happening, he said, are stargates and under
a number of bases that go to other planets and
that's how we traverse the universe, he claimed himself. He
claimed that he himself has been to other planets through
the stargate.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
So wow, you know, I hate going back to Star Trek,
but Enterprise Star Trek Enterprise the first three seasons was
about a temporal cold war, and that seems to be
what you're describing.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean that was way before
my time. I mean, the Star Trek, the original stuff.
I haven't even seen the original stuff. I've only seen, like,
you know, the more modern stuff. So but they get
that idea from somewhere right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, yeah, Enterprise the thing come out in ninety eight,
but the whole first seasons.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Was oh okay, you're not talking about like the original
original stuff track, Okay, I see. Yeah, so the Enterprise, Yeah,
a temple cold war. Yeah, I mean that's makes perfect
sense to me.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Why are they allowed to show this if this is
supposed to be the big secret?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well, like I said, there's well, for one, there's something
that is called the Continuing Public Acclamation Act. It's it's
it's by law that they have to they have to
show us in some way to acclimate the public for
an inevitable future of this stuff becoming in reality. And
I don't know who was behind that treaty, but it
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is a real thing. You can look up yourself. I
have the book right over there actually that talks about it.
So there's that, and then there's the other thing I said,
called Revelation of the Method. They have to tell you
what you're doing to get your consent, so they're telling
us it's all hiding in plain sight. But it's up
to us. If we laugh it off, then the joke's
on us, right, Like we just we just don't. We
(47:02):
choose not to believe it. We're like, oh, that's not real.
They would tell us if they were doing that. But
the thing is is they really are telling you. They're
just doing it in a weird, roundabout way because that's
how they maintain the secrecy, right, and a lot of
this stuff there are actual national security concerns that you know,
it would be nice to rip the band aid off
and just let us know about everything, but in reality,
(47:25):
like when you get into the politics of it, you
can't do that. And there's and it makes a lot
of sense if you start to understand it, you know,
but it's it's pretty amazing I think what's going on,
and there's no shortage of guys coming forward right now,
there's so many. I mean the fact that Joe Rogan
just interviewed Jason SAMs, who's a guy who claims to
be part of these programs, and he only scratched the
surface on the episode of what he was involved in.
(47:47):
But we're getting there. We're getting there. The seed is
being planted into the collective consciousness. Our kids are being
born into a world where we are not alone. You
don't have to fight for that narrative. More ET's are real,
UFOs are real. We have reverse engineer technology. They have
come out and said it. Now, however they choose to
(48:08):
control that narrative is up to them, and it's up
to us to discern whether or not we're getting a
full truth, because you have to imagine they're trying to
navigate a fine line of concealing and revealing. You know,
they're trying to conceal what they can and reveal what
they can because they're not what's be honest, They're not
going to come out and telling themselves and blackmail themselves
(48:31):
because this is a national scandal. If we really break
it down, therets Yeah, lives have been lost, people have
been killed, blood is on their hands, there is treason involved,
and they're not going to come out and say, oh yeah,
it's all real, because the finger is going to be
pointed back at them. So they're trying to figure out
a way to disclose this by concealing what they can
(48:52):
and revealing what they what they have to basically, and
they're walking a tightrope right now. So it's up to
us to read between the lines, like, Okay, this is
obviously a controlled narrative coming from Greer because we know
there's a nefarious faction involved here, and the fact that
he's a broken record this saying this over and over
and over. I'm like, Okay, we have to really like
(49:14):
question this stuff. We can't take it at face value,
even if it's coming from some of our favorite people.
You don't know who's bought and paid for and you
don't know the reality of the situation. And there are politics,
there is layers upon layers upon layers, and the onion
is a never ending onion.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Tyler, before you go, no, we're running real close here,
But I do have to ask you about your conference
coming up.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah, so we're going to take a drink.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
I've been hosting a podcast since twenty nineteen and we've
interviewed hundreds of people, and in twenty twenty two we
decided to start hosting conferences. And we are on our
fourth annual conference this year May twelfth through the sixteenth
or fifteenth than Grafton, Illinois. And what the conference is
is we just take our favorite people that we've interviewed
(50:06):
and say, hey, do you want to speak at our conference,
and we give them an opportunity to speak on stage
and actually give a full on presentation instead of just
you know, being interviewed, right, and we turn it into
more of a vacation conference. It's outdoors. It's in the
Pure Market Lodge and Conference Center and beautiful graft In, Illinois,
So the conference hall is indoors, but it's just a
beautiful We do skywatches and bonfires and we go to
(50:29):
Cooki and Mounds afterwards as like a little field trip,
and it's kind of like a vacation conference. It's not
just like a seminar in a hotel. Those are great
for information, but we're trying to create a better, bigger
experience for everyone and anybody who's interested, they can grab
a ticket at Journey to Truth dot Online tickets are
still available. It starts in May May twelfth, and if
(50:51):
you can't make it in person, there's live stream passes
available and one day passes if you can't make it
for the whole time.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
And you've got a boat coming out soon.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, it's an editing process right now. I've been writing
it for years actually, but I could have gotten done
a lot quicker, but it's just you know how life is.
But it's finally it's finally getting towards the end, and
I've not ready to actually pull the trigger. I'm releasing
all the details yet, but it's going to be somewhere
around the three four hundred page range. And it's a
(51:21):
detailed account of a lot of the experiences I've happened to,
a lot of the experiences that I've happened to me
mixed in with a lot of my research on the subject,
and so it's not just me telling my story. I'm
sharing what I've learned along the way. And it's a
pretty comprehensive book. Okay, I'm really sorry about it.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
And one more thing I just want to brush on
here is you've gotten into a little issues with the
information you get. We talked about it before. Your show
has actually been removed from some platforms because of the
information you're sharing.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh we had, you know, the
big one YouTube. I'll just say they don't. They don't
care if we say their name. But they removed our
channel when we were finally really getting big and gaining traction.
And we've created four backup of pounds since and they've
deleted every one of them, and we're on our fifth
one because people like, we still like to put it
out but now we you know, we had to like
(52:22):
use my my co host girlfriends dad's information create to
even create the fifth channel. But they still have as
flagged and they don't. They don't even let us share
links under our videos. They don't. We can't do anything.
We can just post the content and that's it. But
we Yeah, at one point, there was a purge and
we were taken down off of virtually every social media
(52:44):
platform all at once. They pulled a rug out from
under us, so real. Yeah, they took us off Twitter, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
link Tree, even booted us PayPal, Venmo, YouTube, Spotify. They
just wipe us off the map. And we had to
start over everywhere. So we're just in the process of rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
But so where can people hear your show Journey to
Truth Now?
Speaker 3 (53:10):
If you go to our website Journey totouth dot online,
that's the central hub that will take you to all
the platforms you can listen to it. You can watch
us on Rumble, primarily on Rumble for the video platform,
we do have a YouTube channel for now, but there's
two strikes on it. Do we have that? Then we
have our Patreon, which is five dollars a month, but
you can join the free tier of our Patreon and
(53:32):
watch all of our episodes over there ad free. You
don't to sit through ads or anything. It's just a
raw format. You know. We're on Apple Podcasts and Spotify
again and all that stuff, so they're in a number
of places you can find us. But we're trying to
really build an audience over on Rumble, so I would
I would encourage people to go over there.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Well, Tyler Kowala, thanks for coming on, looking forward to
the book coming out, and man, watch your back. You
may be pushing us pretty dangerous spots here.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I know, right, I mean, I've experienced my fair share
of what we would call targeting, but that's a different conversation.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
So right, we'll have to have that one sometime too.
But man, you're always a great guest. Thanks for coming back.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
You take care of yourself. Man, seriously, watch your back.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
All right, I will thank you see you all right.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Friends, we're just about done here for today. I want
to thank you all for coming back, and man, Tyler
is awesome. And just keep in mind what I've always
said to people, Honestly, it's not paranoia when they really
are out to get you, something I said, and I
(54:44):
still believe that. So thanks again. Margie K come in
and helped us out as the producer. Tonight. I wanted
to ask say some prayers for Race. He's having a
medical issue and you all know how Race has really
been my backbone not all this, so say a little
prayer for him. And I think the most important thing though, friends,
(55:05):
that I could ask you all to do is stay
spooped good night, or don't
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good Evening Boys and Guls. I am Dan Terry, your
ghost host with the most Haunted. But you know what,
We're gonna go more into the conspiracy thing tonight. You
all know how much I love the conspiracy. Hey back
in Gosh, you can't remember the night. He's two thousand.
A British kid named McKinnon I believe, got into some
(01:07):
US Government Air Force NASA stuff looking for UFO information,
found allegedly names of ships that do not exist here
and a listing of non terrestrial officers, meaning people from
the Earth who was not currently serving on Earth. Well,
(01:29):
that started this whole thing with whether or not we
have a secret space fleet. And I have got a
guest tonight who will really change your mind if you
think this is all nonsense. Tyler Koala is Well, he's
an et experiencer. He has done a lot of interviews.
(01:51):
He runs his own conferences. Rebels of I forget rebels
of disinformation or something like that. We'll talk to him
about it here in a minute. More importantly, I had
him on before some of you all may remember, and
we talked about giants and how the Smithsonian is hiding stuff.
I had done an article about it. I got to
(02:13):
chat with him about it, and he brought some incredible
evidence that it wasn't just giants. There's entire civilizations that
is being hidden from us. But now he's onto the
Secret Space Fleet and I'm going to bring him up
so we can chat about it now.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Tyler koala you okay, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not bad? Tyler. Last time you was here, you brought
some incredible ideas and evidence on civilizations that may even
still exist that we don't know about. But I missed
your lecture on the Secret Space Fleet, so I wanted
to hear your opinion of that. It's something that really
is interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah. Absolutely. First of all, disclosure, not rebels of disinformation,
but I love it. I'll disclosure, and yeah, you have
me cracking up.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But you've done a lot on disclosure of not just UFOs,
but all kinds of things. The government has been heightened
from us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, absolutely so it was it was actually, you know,
we grow up being interested in all this stuff, the
paranormal sasquash, cryptids, UFOs, but it's always just an interest.
And it wasn't until twenty eighteen when I really had this,
Like I heard my very first secret Space program whistleblower,
and the testimony filled in all the blanks that, like
(03:44):
you could say, History Channel leaves us with you know,
every show ends with you know, it tells you all
these amazing possibilities and then it kind of debunks itself
at the end of the show and then you're left
hanging or could it be Well? I started listening to
the these military whistleblowers and they were filling in all
the blanks and like, this is the rest of the story.
(04:05):
This is what they don't tell us on TV, and
it made a lot of sense. And it's so outlandish
you can't just believe it at first, you just take
it with a grain of salt. But it really got
me going and sent me down this rabbit hole. And
the more I looked the more you try to debunk
something like this, the more I was finding evidence to
support it. And the evidence goes all the way back
(04:27):
to Roswell and even before that, even the late eighteen hundreds.
You know, if we really want to get into some
of the stuff, some of the sightings, and if we
talk about you know, we can talk about sightings, but
who are who's piloting these crafts? Where did they come from?
And did the humans actually know? Was there a secret society?
Was there a pact made between a group of exraterrestrials
(04:48):
and a group of humans way back before we were
ever even privy to it. So you have to start
asking yourself these questions. But I realized that, yes, I
think something like that happened, and there has been a
secret treaty or an agreement made for a very long time,
and the whole Roswell incident, that's you know, obviously we
know Stephen Greer is coming forward right now and a
(05:09):
bunch of other whistleblowers, the UAP Task Force. Jason Sands
was just on Joe Rogan's podcast talking about some really
incredible stuff. So all these guys are starting to reach
the mainstream. Nob with the surface level information of these programs,
they're not really giving you everything yet, but there's a
lot more there that the people who have been in
this for years, know about We understand there's an order
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of operations that has to hit the public. But they
can't just throw it all on everybody at once. It's
too much because this stuff is so I heard a
quote one time that I love. It's that the truth
is so unbelievable that it will debunk itself because people
won't believe it. They actually will genuinely reject it because
(05:53):
we've been so programmed to not believe in this stuff.
But the reality in the situation is technologies such as
time travel and teleportation exists. We have declassified CIA documents
that verify this, documents that even claim we have men
that can walk through walls and do amazing things, psionic
abilities like dream walking where we can send our consciousness
(06:16):
into another person's dream, soul splitting, sole abduction, consciousness abduction.
I mean, we're talking about things that should only exist
in a sci fi movie. But there turns out to
be real evidence, at least some sort of a paper
trail that would indicate that this stuff actually exists. So
you have to really go back to the drawing board
(06:37):
and rethink everything he thought you knew and we had,
Like you said, Gary, McKinnon in two thousand and one
the largest military hack of all time. He hacked the
NASA and Navy servers and he found a list of
nonterrestrial offers, offers officers, and a list of space vessels,
(06:57):
a space fleet, and even a of a cigar shaped
craft hovering in low Earth orbit that he says, while
he was trying to download that photo, somebody took over
his computer and deleted it, so he never actually got
to save the photo, but he talks about it. By
the way, Gary McKinnon is back on the scene. He
just reappeared resurfaced on x a couple of weeks ago
(07:20):
Twitter after decades of hiding because he now feels it's
safe to come forward and start talking again, because he
was kind of threatened and scared into silence. But the
only reason they didn't put him away is because it's
something called the discovery process in a lawsuit where both
parties have to bring evidence to the table, and it
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would be damning to the actual solar rewarding program that
they're trying to keep secret if they were to take
it to trial, so it was better just to leave
it alone. So we have I mean, it depends on
where you want to start with this. But in my
personal opinion, there is the the biggest aspect of this
(08:01):
that people may not be ready to talk about, but
I think it's one of the key factors in the
understanding of the secret space program is the existence of
time travel or teleportation, because what we're dealing with with
these UFOs are craft that aren't operating on an advanced
propulsion system like we've been led to believe. Yes, some
of them are, but when they travel, they're traversing space
(08:24):
and time. They are bending time and in some cases
traveling even in another dimension through something they called dimensional
shift technology that was developed or reverse engineered and implemented
during the Philadelphia experiment, and it's been later used and
retrofitted into our craft that military uses. They have a
(08:46):
fleet at Area fifty one and other bases all around
the country, all around the world. We would look up
in the sky and think they're UFOs, but quite possibly
they're our own reverse craft. So I'll pause there unless
you ask any questions that you want.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, let's go by to the McKinnon thing, because he
had found this stuff and the US government said it's
not true. But we still want to bring him over here,
tryum and put him in prison for forty years, and
they fought for years. I think the British government refused
(09:20):
to let them come and get in, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah. I don't know all the politics of the situation,
but I definitely know he'd never ended up being put away.
And I found out through a whistleblower, a Navy veteran,
Darryl James, who his executive officer told him on the
base that he was stationed at in Saint magg in England.
He you know, whenever he was being read in on
(09:45):
the slower warden program the Navy Space Command, he didn't
believe it. So one of their selling points was to
the new recruits was, you know, the Gary McKinnon story,
the hack, And they're like, yeah, They're like, that was real.
It's all everything he found is real. And then they
explained to him that it was through the discovery process
(10:06):
that he ended up getting away because they realized like
the only way they could even put him away was
to prove that what he found didn't exist, but it
would just open the door that they didn't want to open.
So he got lucky. He got lucky in that regard
but I think he might have been protected by higher
forces too, because you know, anything, anything birthed in secrecy
(10:28):
is technically not of the light because they're keeping it
a secret for a reason, and it's probably for nefarious purposes.
And we can get into that enslaving humanity and all
this other stuff. But nevertheless, there seems to be a
real secret space program or programs, or what some people
refer to as parallel space programs. You know, we had
(10:50):
the Dog and Pony Show with NASA, and that gets
in the Warner von Braun and Project paper Clip and
World War two and how the paper Clip Nazis came
over here and they were new identities that were literally
paper clipped onto like a clipboard, and it was Project
paper Clip. So and obviously these Nazi scientists were basically
(11:10):
implanted into our infrastructure on American soil, and Warner von
Braun led the NASA division and the rockets, and depending
on who you talk to and what you read, it
seemed like he might have been put in place to
kind of keep a lid on the real technology that
can make the Americans think that the rocket program was
(11:31):
the greatest and best technology that we had while simultaneously,
they were literally developing time travel technology with the Nazi
bell and even the latest Indiana Jones movie talks about that,
the Dial of Destiny. There's a lot of truth to
that movie, and that correlates to the Sands of Time material,
(11:52):
which is where you find out the origins of time
travel within the shadow government. It all ties together. So
we had this dog pony show with the space program
with NASA and simultaneously being developed out was an actual
secret space program that no one in the public I
knew about. When we get into the real society, the
(12:12):
women who were in Maria Orsik that were channeling blueprints
from al Deboron and they were literally building UFOs based
on the channel blueprints. And this was NASA. I mean
our Hitler called house Offer, Hams, Commlaer, all the big
names in Germany at the time, they were all privy
(12:33):
to this because there was a deal made. It's a
whole long story. I won't get into it, but I
might be all over the place for now. Sorry. This
is one of my favorite subjects, So I'll let you
ask another question if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
When we're talking about this secret space force or space
secret space fleet, are we talking. Are we getting into
real star trek, going to other planets, going to other
Solar systems, uh, warp type speed or time travel whatever,
or are we just talking about something right here in
(13:08):
the vicinity you say from mars.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
In definitely started off from mars In. It seems that
they one of the first places that they went was
the backside of the Moon, and they already discovered bases there.
And there's been a number of people, even a former
Air Force captain or sergeant Carl Wolfe, who was deceased now,
but he was one of the primary whistleblowers that talked
(13:33):
about the bases on the backside of the Moon, and
he was a credible man. And they found those. They
discovered those through the U through their passes before the
actual Apollo missions when they were sending or satellite around
the backside to basically scope out the area. So in
all reality, the NASA the Apollo program was a reconnaissance mission,
(13:55):
but it seemed to start off on the Moon, and
allegedly when when we got there, the German had already
established the base there at some point in the forties,
and there's information that indicates that they had even made
it to Mars in the forties as well. And you
know it sounds crazy, but there we start more and
more people are coming forward and you have to start
(14:16):
asking yourself these questions, did this really happen? And we
have the alternatives. I don't know if you know about
the alternative one, two and three scenario. So I actually
have that slide up just so I don't butcher it.
So alternatives one, two and three. So back in nineteen
seventy seven, there was a television program called The Science
(14:40):
Report that would come on once a month or once
a week maybe, and they presented an episode as nonfiction
science and they called it Science Report Alternatives one, two,
and three, and they talked about this long term plan
of colonizing space. Plan one consisted of maating nuclear bombs
(15:01):
in the atmosphere there wi allow pollution to heat and
dissipate into space, Operation Starfish Prime or Operation fish Bowl.
That happened. We know that they were sending nukes into
the upper atmosphere and blowing them up. That was alternative one.
There's a whole bunch of theories behind that, where they're
trying to blow a hole in a firmament, where they
trying to you know whatever, who knows. Alternative two was
(15:24):
a plan to construct vast subterranean habitats for the elite
to escape to in the event of a global catastrophe.
So they developed an underground network of dumbs, deep underground
military bases and even cities. There's good that has been established.
There have been credible men that have come forward and
blew the whistle on that, and they have even done
mainstream news reports at this point disclosing the reality of
(15:49):
these underground bases and cities. So that happened. Then you
have alternative three, which was colonizing the Moon and Mars,
moving the space and colonizing them in Mars. Basically, a
group of scientists and commoners were kidnapped to provide personnel
for a project to colonize the Moon in Mars to
(16:11):
prevent the leak of information about the programs. So they
were essentially kidnapped against their will, and that gets into
the whole Epstein Island thing. Believed they or not, they
were blackmailed at the island and to brought into these
programs so they would never talk. They had dirt on them.
But according to the teleplay that was showed on TV,
(16:32):
our moneyed masters cet bases as the only escape from
Earth doomed by pollution and overpopulation, and they are fleeing
to domed cities on Mars and the Moon. So this
was on a television program in nineteen seventy seven that
they came back and after they rebubbled and said it
was an April Fool's prank, but it wasn't released on
(16:54):
April first. It was released in June of nineteen seventy seven,
So they I wrote it off as a joke, but
there's a lot of diehard people on the inside and said, no,
they kind of have to tell you what they're doing.
There's something called revelation of the method. They show you
what they're doing. If you laugh at it, laugh it
off as a joke, then the joke's on you and
they get away with it because now they have gotten
(17:16):
our consent. So if alternative one, two and three actually
happened and we're real, then this has been a plan
at least since the seventies, based on this program alone,
of colonizing the million of Mars. Have we made it
past there? I would say so, based on some of
the some of these guys who are coming forward, but uh,
you know, you don't want to go too far, too
(17:38):
fast with this stuff because it's a lot to grasp
for some people.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Okay, all right, there is a lot here to open up.
Are these ets, these aliens? Are they with us? Are
they against us? Are they what? What's their story? What
do we need to think about on this?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's so it's not black and white. There's a lot
of gray area there. And there's a lot of i
would say, warring factions. There's a lot of different et
groups that have made deals with our government as we
as you know, we all know the Great Ed Treaty
and Eisenhower and you know that whole deal where allegedly
they've made the deal to exchange humans in exchange for
(18:23):
technology that you know, we won't go spend a lot
of time on that, but there seems to be some
that are very for humanity and want to help us,
and there seems to be some that want to enslave
us or even possibly feed off of us, as crazy
as that sounds. We may even be a fuel source
for some of these nefarious groups, you know, such as
the reptilians and stuff. And you know, we have the
(18:45):
cattle mutilations and all these things that you wouldn't think
a benevolent race would come and do to our planet. So,
you know, there's like Stephen Greer, you know, he's a
broken record when it comes to this. He's adamant that
there are no negative ets. I think he has been
sadly misinformed. I think that that's the silly as saying
(19:06):
there's no negative humans. I think it's just there's diversity
within every species, and I think it's up to the individual,
especially especially an intelligent race. There's always going to be
greed involved, and you know, ego and there's things. You know,
just because you're an ET doesn't mean that you're enlightened,
and that's what we have to understand. So I think
(19:26):
there's more politics involved behind the scenes, and I think
a lot of the stuff that we see playing out
on the surface, even in the political arena, is the
result of some of these warring ET factions in the
background that have been working alongside our governments and underground
right beneath our feet for decades.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was any of them here before all this was? Was
there aliens living here you know, one thousand, two thousand,
ten thousand years ago?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So yeah, I mean, I would say absolutely from my oininion,
but that's debatable. Obviously, the whole Ancient Aliens things kind
of primed the whole collective consciousness with that show in
twenty ten. When it came out, it was kind of
mind blowing, but it planted that seed oh aliens had
been here all along, right, and there's evidence of that.
And I met a man in Sedona recently. Right after
(20:16):
the UNEX conference. I went to Sedona for another conference
and I was staying with a man who I didn't
even know who he was until I got to his house,
and he's an eighty five year old quantum physicist who
worked forty years in the shadow government reverse engineering UFOs WOW,
and he had some of the most incredible stories I've
ever heard. I tried my very best to convince him
(20:39):
to go on camera to do an interview, and he
would not do it. He said he was scared. I
think he was scared in the silence, because he said
he was told that anybody that filmed him wouldn't make
it across the street alive with the footage if he
shared what he knew on camera. So I did an
(21:02):
interview with him, but it was all by memory, and
he told me that he worked in the underground basis.
He was basically fat fast tracked through the Air Force
because of his IQ scores and a number of other
things psychic abilities and stuff that he had that they
looked for for recruits for the unacknowledged special access programs
which he was brought into. Are the private sector, as
(21:23):
he called it, and he said that they frequented the
tunnel network. That's how they got around the whole country
from base to base. There's a tram system on the
ground that takes you all over the place, even all
over the planet. Even claimed it goes under the oceans.
And he said some of these tunnels were fairly new,
man made within the last fifty sixty seventy years. But
(21:45):
he said some of them are so old they don't
have any idea who built them. And he said that
there were teams that he watched go in they were
trying to date these tunnels because they had been vitrified.
Whenever the tunnel is created with a plasma type of
technology that turns the rock essentially into glass, and it
(22:07):
coached a tunnel with a vitrification process that makes it
basically Indestructiblen't it won't even collapse in on itself even
in an earthquake, so they're virtually indestructible. But he said
their best guests was that their best guess was that
some of these tunnels were made at least two hundred
million years ago. That's what he told me. He goes that,
(22:29):
I'm not exaggerating with that number. He goes, I saw
the team. I knew the guys, and they're dating for
the tunnels that have existed on this planet go all
the way back two hundred million years, meaning that there
has been a history that has been kept secret from
us that we would blow our socks off if we
learn the truth about. So even the guys on the
(22:51):
know don't know who built those tunnels. They're so old.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Wow. Is this going to link back to whatever's going
on in Antarctica?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Absolutely? Yeah. So Antarctica is basically, man, there's a lot
of stories about Antarctica. Basically, every possible conspiracy theory you
can think of might be happy in Antarctica. And you know,
we can just pick one. But I like to go
back to There's a guy we've interviewed a couple of times.
His name is John Warner the Fourth. His father was
(23:22):
John Warner. He was he was a senator in the seventies,
but he was Secretary to Navy as well in the seventies.
And there was a movie called The Final Countdown that
came out in nineteen eighty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So
he was John Warner went to the premiere of that
film with his father, who was the Secretary of the Navy,
(23:45):
and he said, the whole theater was it was like
a private screening, and the whole theater was filled with
top Navy brass and politicians, and he didn't understand why,
like what this special event was. They watched the movie
up and applauded, and afterwards, he said, the Secretary of
the Navy said to the president. I think the President
(24:09):
was there. He said, mister President, with your permission, we
now have your new recruitment film, something along those lines.
I think I'm butchering that story. Either way, the whole
plan for that movie was to be a Navy recruitment film.
And he was scratching his head. He's like, why would
a movie about time travel and portals be a Navy
(24:29):
recruitment film? Why would all the top brass and politicians
in the country be at the premiere of this unless
it was real, which it was, because it dealt with
the Philadelphia Experiment and what they were trying to do there.
What they were trying to do with the Philadelphia Experiment
was basically go back in time fifteen minutes before an
attack to prevent the attack or counter strike first.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So Tyler, let's stop right here for a quick commercial break,
and then I want to get back with you and
talk about that attorney Basiano what ever's name was, who
said he was part of this at one time, part
of this travel.
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Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, Tyler, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Okay, So what the point I was getting to is
that John Warner, the Secretary to Navy was I personally
know his son, John Warner the fourth and his son
told me that when he asked his dad about what
was going on in Antarctica, his dad would always give
(28:13):
him some bullshit fluff answer and he's like, come on, Dad,
He's like, I overhear your conversations. Why is Antarctica a hotspot?
Why are all these countries going down there for these
meetings and making these business deals and claiming land down there?
And he said, I can't tell you, but there's two
words I can tell you. And he said, what he
goes space operations, And that's all I told him. And
(28:37):
there have been a number of people to claim that
that is one of the major space ports on the
planet where they can come and go from the planet
without the public ever knowing about it, because we don't
really have access to it. It's a no fly zone
for commercial airliners. There's a number of reasons we can't
go there. You can go there, but you can't access
the parts that are classified. And a neutrino detector down
(29:01):
there that is used for intergalactic communication essentially. There's a guy,
Eric Hecker who blew the whistle on that and he
spoke at Stephen Grier's last press conference. So they have
a device down there that can absolutely communicate intergalactically through
a quim entanglement essentially meaning instantaneous communication across the universe.
And it is a big array under the ice one
(29:23):
square mile one mile by one mile wide, by by
long by deep. It's a cube of these arrays antenna
arrays under the ice. But it's a communications device for
not only within the planet, but with you know, in
space as well. So Antarctica absolutely plays a huge role
in this. And there's allegedly crashed UFOs down there that
(29:45):
had been frozen the ice for centuries by the ancient
builder rays to people who are responsible for the Pyramids
and all the ancient megalists, underground caverns and civilizations of
ets that's still exist and reside there today. So that's Antarctica. Uh.
You mentioned wanting to know something about Andrew Bishago.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, I was kind of going on this idea that
you were talking about. They used the time travel and
he claimed he was as a child part of that experiment,
Operations Stargate I think it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Was, Yes, Well, Stargate is actually the is a remote
viewing program, but it might be tied in, but it
was Project Pegasus in particular that he talked about being
involved with, and basically his dad sold him into the program.
You know, his dad was working for the shadow government
for lack of a better term, and his son, he
was born into the program and they were using children
(30:40):
essentially as test subjects for early time travel technology. And
he claims to have been a part of eight different
modalities of time travel that they were attempting to use.
And he's we've interviewed him, he's listed to different modalities
and he has uh there are there are very uh
there's ten effects health effects that actually impact you over
(31:03):
time and he has lost his vision from going through
these portals, essentially because when you go through a portal.
He claims that there's something that happens called molecular dissociation
where your body literally molecular dissociates. You'd basically die and
come back to life when you go through a portal,
and it takes a toll on your body after years
(31:24):
of this, and the guys who pilot the UFOs that
were reverse engineering the UFOs were experiencing these same effects
because when they realized when they finally turned these UFOs on,
they weren't just traveling in space, they were traveling in time.
So they thought they were gone for an hour, but
the guys on the ground thought they were gone for
three days. And you can read these reports, so there's
(31:46):
definitely something going on with time travel just by operating
the craft themselves. So temporal dissociation they have negative you know,
has negative health effects on you. And that's what happened
with Andrew is he lost his vision. But he claims
that very real and they have, you know, he says
the whole game, there's a temporal war being fought behind
(32:06):
the scenes. Right now that he said everything all the governments,
all the private sectors. The whole game is the name
of the game is trying to get their hands on
the next best time tech. And he calls it time
travel cat and mouse. And there's there's you know, there's
groups going back and you know, changing history and altering
the timeline and as creating Mandela effects, and there's glitches
(32:28):
and all these weird things. There's so many groups that
can't keep up with it. And he said, in the
early days, when they were testing this technology and they
didn't have control, they couldn't contain the field that they
were Basically they were tearing a hole in space time
every time they would travel, and they didn't have the
technology early on to contain the field, meaning it would
leave an open hole and literally allow in what they
(32:50):
would call inter dimensional invaders. A lot of the UFO
flap in the forties and fifties, they claim came from
other dimensions because they were tearing holes all over the place,
like with the Philadelphia Experiment and Nazi bell. It was
tearing holes in space time and UFOs and and craft
were coming in literally from other dimensions, and we had
(33:12):
this huge flap. So they built HARP, which we now
know as a weather modification antenna. Allegedly, the original intention
for HARP was to try and create a frequency net
around our at least our country at the time, around
the planet to seal up these holes. They were trying
their best because they didn't know. They thought they just
royally screwed up, and we were inviting in all these
(33:35):
you know, who knew who we were inviting into our airspace.
But it was a major national security risk. So you know,
that's where time travel comes in, and the Nazi bel
when it disappeared from the German base in nineteen forty five,
it reappeared in Tricksburg, Pennsylvania in nineteen sixty five, the
exact same crap and the paper clip. Scientists that were
(33:57):
involved in the crash recovery team they knew exactly what
they were looking at whenever it landed. Not our guys.
Our guys didn't know, but there were guys on that
team that knew exactly what it was and they couldn't
believe it actually time traveled. It didn't just disappear at time,
tried twenty years in the future. If they were discovering
(34:17):
things like that, you can only imagine where they're at
now with this stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Right, and that's kind of what I'm trying to figure out.
A friend of yours and by I'm Lily Nova, was
a guest on the show and showed an incredible video
she took which honestly to me, looked like one uf allow.
I'll just call it that because that's what I was
raised with, shooting another one. I saw the beam gold
(34:44):
Cross and this thing disappeared, and I've played it here.
I'm sure you've seen it many times. What is there
a war going on that we're not aware of?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Allegedly, yes, and it's been happening for quite some time.
And I think a lot of the anomalies that we
see in the sky sometimes I think they can so
easily be explained a way as a starlink launch or
you know, a rocket coming back to Earth or shooting star.
But what if it's not. What if we're seeing the
result of some sort of space battle as well, and
(35:16):
a craft is burning up in our atmosphere. I mean,
we just can we can only speculate, but there's information
out there that would point to that being the case.
I would say it's definitely not off the table. I mean,
I would like to think that that wouldn't ever come
to our doorstep and things won't get serious. And I
(35:38):
think that's part of the reason this has kept a secret,
because if they knew that, if we knew the war
that was really taking place between these groups, they can't
control that narrative. You know, So is.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That what our secret space fleet is doing? Are they
defending us or standing guard or what do you think
they're doing? Now?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, so Solar Warden is exactly doing what the warden
would do. It's protecting our airspace. And that fleet is
that fleet was birth of the US Navy and out
of I think they called the Melton Johnson Air Space
and Nevada whatever. It's not Area fifty one, but that's
(36:23):
where the original what they called the Nebraska Space Fleet,
and that's just a nickname for it. Allegedly, I don't
know if that's true, but they developed a space fleet
that was originally designed to go out and protect our airspace.
And their original command and control center was actually in
the Cayman Islands. They had an underground facility in the
(36:43):
Cayman Islands where King Charles had its home and is
still there. The airport the royal family has owns the
Cayman Islands, but allegedly that that's where they would monitor
all space activity, any air It was like the air
traffic control tower for the planet, and they were they
would know anything that came into our airspace and miles
(37:03):
days before whatever you get here. So there's a whole
argument that there's nothing that's showing up in our airspace
that we don't know about, unless it's slipping through another dimension,
which they have something called the Dial of Destiny in
the Indiana Jones movie that can detect fissures in time,
so they know when and where there's going to be
(37:24):
a fissure in time where something could slip through, so
they can defend that space. You know, there's a lot
of truth to this stuff, and yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
No, I'm trying to place all this in my head
because I'm seeing, of course, being a sixties kid being
raised really in the seventies. I remember the Star Trek,
the Federation, and and we were out there defending other planets.
And is that kind of thing actually going on or
is this something more diabolical?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I think absolutely. The Star Trek. You know, they
keep talking about we're entering the Star Trek future, maybe
in the public eye, but the stuff that we see
in Star Trek has already been done by the Navy
in the Secret Space program and at least since the
eighties in the United States whenever you know, the Navy
Secret Space program really took off, and that would that
(38:15):
would have looked very much like a Star Trek scenario.
And you can get into Gene Roddenberry and I forget
the other name, but a lot of the early Star
Trek scripts were actually channeled information that people were I
forget the name of the individual. This isn't I don't
have it memorized, but I do know this is a
true story. A lot of the early scripts were channeled
(38:35):
information and some of them were CIA approved scripts as well.
And the CIA has something they call the I can't
remember the Entertainment Military Industrial Complex or something, but it's
basically where the CIA has a division where they they
have to preapprove Hollywood scripts before they can actually make
it out into Hollywood. And and Star Trek was on
(38:58):
that list. And you know, so they approve stuff and
they have to tell you what they're doing, Like I said,
because of revelation as a method. But I think that
the Star Trek scenario. It was very real, and I
think it was based on the secret Space Program, at
least in Solar Warden.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So you think we have Americans or at least humans
up there to defend the planet for whatever's coming through.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, and a lot of people think that's what Space
Force is. You know, the guys on the inside said
that Space Force basically was just Solar Warden rebranded. It's
not anything new, you know, we get this kind of
fluff cover story. But the shirt I'm wearing right now
is a US Navy patent for one of the Black
Triangle craft. It's a Tier three read But this patent
is a mass reduction It's a mass reduction device. So
(39:44):
what it does is it reduces the mass of an
object as it increases in speed, so it can travel
the speed of light. Because that was always the theory.
You can't travel faster than the speed of the light
because as you increase in speed, you increase in mass
and that therefore it slows you down. So this device
is technolo he is installed in the hall of the craft.
But it's actually it's a it's a it's actually a
(40:04):
re I guess, a repurpose a restructured UH patent from
an original patent by Nicole Tesla in the twenties where
he had a patent very similar which it wasn't called
a mass reduction advice device, but it was the same
exact technology, meaning that it's been around since the twenties.
(40:26):
This technology to allow us to at least travel the
speed of light, and the Tesla's patent is out there
to prove this if anybody wants to go look it up.
But I forgot the name of the actual patent so well,
which would indicate that we're in which would indicate that
humans are in space.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
We know that Tesla's stuff was ransacked by the government
and take him away after his death, and he had
had years of training or years of ideas that were
just missing.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean somebody got that. Somebody got
their hands on that and is in the know, and
that's been the big secret. You know, it's not like
the big secret. They don't care if we know about
aliens or UFOs that they basically came out and told
us that exists. At this point, the real scenario is
(41:17):
what's who they are and where they come from, and
the real game that's going on of time travel cat
and mouse, and that's what I think that the real
secret is is that we are a time traveling civilization
and they don't want us to know that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, if it is, then that explains. And I am
one myself that I distinctly remember the guy who became
the African president the Holloyds named after dying in prison.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
What's that Mandela? Yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Remember when Nelson Mandela died in prison. It was in
Time magazine. I read it in high school in my
senior year. I think it happened. And then suddenly he's
alive and you know, running for African president.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
What you want?
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean you have to. So that
gets into something. We just interviewed a guy. We've interviewed
him four times. He's a he's a former former US
Air Force, uh guy whatever, and he was born he
was born in a military base and brought into these
programs and knows knows them inside and out. And he
(42:34):
is talking about something what he calls Temporal Management Command
is and they're run by the US Navy, and what
they do is they literally monitor the timeline for time,
for deviations in time for different groups that are going
back and changing something in history in significant points like
the like Abraham Lincoln's death or whatever. It might be
(42:54):
a turning point in history. They're altering the timeline, creating
the deviation, therefore creating what we would know as a
Mandela effect because it something changes, but they don't really
know what's going to change. And so then this team,
he says that TMC calls in Temple Management Command. Their
job is to go back and slowly nudge the timeline
(43:17):
back on track. It can't be done in one shot
because it would be too abrupt, so they have to
go back through and like they basically monitor that timeline
and see what's changed and then go send people through
time to basically nudge the timeline ever so slightly until
we're back on course. And he said this is going
on all the time. Now. It sounds absolutely nuts, but
(43:38):
he said this BACE is located out of Fort Bragg
in North Carolina. He said, beneath that base is one
of the biggest laboratories on this planet that goes levels
below ground and most of the top secret technology is
being developed out there, and there are thousands of scientists
working there.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
According to him, there's a lady here I'm drawing a
blank on her name, but I interviewed her a while back.
She lives on here in western North Carolina. And where
she lives, she swears there's an underground military base and
weird things have been seen. Huge tractor trailers with weird
(44:18):
equipment disappear into the woods never come back out. There's
a lot of stuff going on in the western North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and not just there, you know, Sedona,
the whole Southwest is another hub. Colorado Springs especially. There's
a number of bases, including Cheyenne on which we're all
familiar with from the Stargate SG one series, which is
allegedly based on real, real classified or declassified programs. Probably not,
they haven't been declassified, but you know what I mean.
(44:50):
And actually, the quantum physicist, the guy I met in
Sedona that told me he was part of these reverse
engineering projects of UFO projects. He told me, he goes,
you've seen Stargate, right, And I was like, yeah, he goes,
I can't stress enough how true that show is. He goes,
(45:11):
that is really happening, he said, are stargates and under
a number of bases that go to other planets and
that's how we traverse the universe, he claimed himself. He
claimed that he himself has been to other planets through
the stargate.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
So wow, you know, I hate going back to Star Trek,
but Enterprise Star Trek Enterprise the first three seasons was
about a temporal cold war, and that seems to be
what you're describing.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean that was way before
my time. I mean, the Star Trek, the original stuff.
I haven't even seen the original stuff. I've only seen, like,
you know, the more modern stuff. So but they get
that idea from somewhere right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, yeah, Enterprise the thing come out in ninety eight,
but the whole first seasons.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Was oh okay, you're not talking about like the original
original stuff track, Okay, I see. Yeah, so the Enterprise, Yeah,
a temple cold war. Yeah, I mean that's makes perfect
sense to me.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Why are they allowed to show this if this is
supposed to be the big secret?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well, like I said, there's well, for one, there's something
that is called the Continuing Public Acclamation Act. It's it's
it's by law that they have to they have to
show us in some way to acclimate the public for
an inevitable future of this stuff becoming in reality. And
I don't know who was behind that treaty, but it
(46:40):
is a real thing. You can look up yourself. I
have the book right over there actually that talks about it.
So there's that, and then there's the other thing I said,
called Revelation of the Method. They have to tell you
what you're doing to get your consent, so they're telling
us it's all hiding in plain sight. But it's up
to us. If we laugh it off, then the joke's
on us, right, Like we just we just don't. We
(47:02):
choose not to believe it. We're like, oh, that's not real.
They would tell us if they were doing that. But
the thing is is they really are telling you. They're
just doing it in a weird, roundabout way because that's
how they maintain the secrecy, right, and a lot of
this stuff there are actual national security concerns that you know,
it would be nice to rip the band aid off
and just let us know about everything, but in reality,
(47:25):
like when you get into the politics of it, you
can't do that. And there's and it makes a lot
of sense if you start to understand it, you know,
but it's it's pretty amazing I think what's going on,
and there's no shortage of guys coming forward right now,
there's so many. I mean the fact that Joe Rogan
just interviewed Jason SAMs, who's a guy who claims to
be part of these programs, and he only scratched the
surface on the episode of what he was involved in.
(47:47):
But we're getting there. We're getting there. The seed is
being planted into the collective consciousness. Our kids are being
born into a world where we are not alone. You
don't have to fight for that narrative. More ET's are real,
UFOs are real. We have reverse engineer technology. They have
come out and said it. Now, however they choose to
(48:08):
control that narrative is up to them, and it's up
to us to discern whether or not we're getting a
full truth, because you have to imagine they're trying to
navigate a fine line of concealing and revealing. You know,
they're trying to conceal what they can and reveal what
they can because they're not what's be honest, They're not
going to come out and telling themselves and blackmail themselves
(48:31):
because this is a national scandal. If we really break
it down, therets Yeah, lives have been lost, people have
been killed, blood is on their hands, there is treason involved,
and they're not going to come out and say, oh yeah,
it's all real, because the finger is going to be
pointed back at them. So they're trying to figure out
a way to disclose this by concealing what they can
(48:52):
and revealing what they what they have to basically, and
they're walking a tightrope right now. So it's up to
us to read between the lines, like, Okay, this is
obviously a controlled narrative coming from Greer because we know
there's a nefarious faction involved here, and the fact that
he's a broken record this saying this over and over
and over. I'm like, Okay, we have to really like
(49:14):
question this stuff. We can't take it at face value,
even if it's coming from some of our favorite people.
You don't know who's bought and paid for and you
don't know the reality of the situation. And there are politics,
there is layers upon layers upon layers, and the onion
is a never ending onion.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Tyler, before you go, no, we're running real close here,
But I do have to ask you about your conference
coming up.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah, so we're going to take a drink.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
I've been hosting a podcast since twenty nineteen and we've
interviewed hundreds of people, and in twenty twenty two we
decided to start hosting conferences. And we are on our
fourth annual conference this year May twelfth through the sixteenth
or fifteenth than Grafton, Illinois. And what the conference is
is we just take our favorite people that we've interviewed
(50:06):
and say, hey, do you want to speak at our conference,
and we give them an opportunity to speak on stage
and actually give a full on presentation instead of just
you know, being interviewed, right, and we turn it into
more of a vacation conference. It's outdoors. It's in the
Pure Market Lodge and Conference Center and beautiful graft In, Illinois,
So the conference hall is indoors, but it's just a
beautiful We do skywatches and bonfires and we go to
(50:29):
Cooki and Mounds afterwards as like a little field trip,
and it's kind of like a vacation conference. It's not
just like a seminar in a hotel. Those are great
for information, but we're trying to create a better, bigger
experience for everyone and anybody who's interested, they can grab
a ticket at Journey to Truth dot Online tickets are
still available. It starts in May May twelfth, and if
(50:51):
you can't make it in person, there's live stream passes
available and one day passes if you can't make it
for the whole time.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
And you've got a boat coming out soon.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, it's an editing process right now. I've been writing
it for years actually, but I could have gotten done
a lot quicker, but it's just you know how life is.
But it's finally it's finally getting towards the end, and
I've not ready to actually pull the trigger. I'm releasing
all the details yet, but it's going to be somewhere
around the three four hundred page range. And it's a
(51:21):
detailed account of a lot of the experiences I've happened to,
a lot of the experiences that I've happened to me
mixed in with a lot of my research on the subject,
and so it's not just me telling my story. I'm
sharing what I've learned along the way. And it's a
pretty comprehensive book. Okay, I'm really sorry about it.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
And one more thing I just want to brush on
here is you've gotten into a little issues with the
information you get. We talked about it before. Your show
has actually been removed from some platforms because of the
information you're sharing.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh we had, you know, the
big one YouTube. I'll just say they don't. They don't
care if we say their name. But they removed our
channel when we were finally really getting big and gaining traction.
And we've created four backup of pounds since and they've
deleted every one of them, and we're on our fifth
one because people like, we still like to put it
out but now we you know, we had to like
(52:22):
use my my co host girlfriends dad's information create to
even create the fifth channel. But they still have as
flagged and they don't. They don't even let us share
links under our videos. They don't. We can't do anything.
We can just post the content and that's it. But
we Yeah, at one point, there was a purge and
we were taken down off of virtually every social media
(52:44):
platform all at once. They pulled a rug out from
under us, so real. Yeah, they took us off Twitter, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
link Tree, even booted us PayPal, Venmo, YouTube, Spotify. They
just wipe us off the map. And we had to
start over everywhere. So we're just in the process of rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
But so where can people hear your show Journey to
Truth Now?
Speaker 3 (53:10):
If you go to our website Journey totouth dot online,
that's the central hub that will take you to all
the platforms you can listen to it. You can watch
us on Rumble, primarily on Rumble for the video platform,
we do have a YouTube channel for now, but there's
two strikes on it. Do we have that? Then we
have our Patreon, which is five dollars a month, but
you can join the free tier of our Patreon and
(53:32):
watch all of our episodes over there ad free. You
don't to sit through ads or anything. It's just a
raw format. You know. We're on Apple Podcasts and Spotify
again and all that stuff, so they're in a number
of places you can find us. But we're trying to
really build an audience over on Rumble, so I would
I would encourage people to go over there.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Well, Tyler Kowala, thanks for coming on, looking forward to
the book coming out, and man, watch your back. You
may be pushing us pretty dangerous spots here.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I know, right, I mean, I've experienced my fair share
of what we would call targeting, but that's a different conversation.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
So right, we'll have to have that one sometime too.
But man, you're always a great guest. Thanks for coming back.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
You take care of yourself. Man, seriously, watch your back.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
All right, I will thank you see you all right.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Friends, we're just about done here for today. I want
to thank you all for coming back, and man, Tyler
is awesome. And just keep in mind what I've always
said to people, Honestly, it's not paranoia when they really
are out to get you, something I said, and I
(54:44):
still believe that. So thanks again. Margie K come in
and helped us out as the producer. Tonight. I wanted
to ask say some prayers for Race. He's having a
medical issue and you all know how Race has really
been my backbone not all this, so say a little
prayer for him. And I think the most important thing though, friends,
(55:05):
that I could ask you all to do is stay
spooped good night, or don't
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