October 16, 2025 • 54 mins
Join Ben Hurle and George Simpson as they present the long lost interview., never heard in 50 years!
Ron Hyde was riding his motorcycle from Sydney to Melbourne, when he encountered a landed craft and occupants, on the Hume Highway near Albury Wodonga, on the Victorian/New South Wales border.
This episode will air in America on the 55th anniversary of this extraordinary encounter. The Lost Tapes!
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Ron Hyde was riding his motorcycle from Sydney to Melbourne, when he encountered a landed craft and occupants, on the Hume Highway near Albury Wodonga, on the Victorian/New South Wales border.
This episode will air in America on the 55th anniversary of this extraordinary encounter. The Lost Tapes!
These are the Podcasts tracks you will hear 24/7, on The Un~X Network! www.unxnetwork.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Australia, the sixth largest country on Earth. An ancient, rugged
and unforgiving land with abundant animal life, both beautiful and
deadly found within its awe inspiring landscapes and natural beauty.
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Exists a deep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
the courage to investigate them. Tonight we join Ben on
a journey across this vast island continent in search of
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answers to events that have reshaped the lives of so
many that have been exposed to unexplained phenomena with your
host Ben.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Her Get everyone and welcome to another episode of Unexplained
Phenomena Australia. Tonight. We've got a really intriguing episode for you. Tonight.
We're going to be looking at the very interesting case
of a man called Ron Hydes, who on the twenty
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fourth of August at nineteen sixty seven, had a truly
extraordinary encounter on the Hume Highway, which is the main
highway between Sydney and Melbourne, at about five o'clock in
the afternoon, when he encountered a landed UFO or craft
with two occupants outside as he was riding his motorcycle
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just outside of the town of Aubury, right on the
New South Wales Victorian border. So this case has been
absolutely an incredible case, and it's really been lost to
time because it occurred so many years ago, and an
interview that Ron has done in the year of the
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encounter has been unearthed. Now, I grew very interested in
this case when I was young at school. I remember
reading a little bit about it, just the basic outline
of it, and even today you can go online to
various websites and find a basic outline of what actually
occurred to Ron on the twenty fourth of August nineteen
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sixty seven. So that was my first experience through school,
and it's always been on my list of cases to
have a look at and to get involved in again.
And one day I was talking to my good friend
and fellow researcher George Simpson, who I had on the
show about two weeks ago. And as I was talking
to George and told him about my interest in the
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case and what a great encounter it was, George then
said to me that he had a tape with an
interview that Ron had done in October nineteen sixty seven.
Now this is significant as the recording was done so
close in time to the actual events, when it was
definitely fresh in Ron's mind, and that comes out very
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clearly in the interview. The interview had been found on
a real to real tape in the possession of longtime
View Force member Les Bristol. So tonight, George is going
to join me and we will present this to you
in full. This is a long lost interview and has
not been heard in over fifty years, not by the
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public and certainly not by a twenty first century audience,
and it is very compelling listening. So with that, I
would like to welcome George.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Hello, George, how are you very well?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Thank you for joining me again on tonight's Soode. I'm
very excited to be talking about this case and I
was very I was very happy when you mentioned to
me that you actually did have a copy of an
interview that Ron had done.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well. I was surprised because the name that you mentioned
about the case matched the tape I had just been
listening to. Because I was playing the real to real
tape and digitizing it so I could put a bit
of modern day magic on it to tie up the
sound to make it sound a bit better. So everybody
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could listen to it, and it's a pretty good recording,
and with a bit of tweaking, it's come up pretty well.
And yeah, I had been just doing that in the
last few days before you mentioned the case. So of
course I said, yeah, well, we've got a tape of that.
That's an old View Force tape. And I was a
committee member of View Force for eight years and this
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came to me through THEIRS. It's an old real to
real tape and it's really maybe we should just introduce
the story now. The thing is, I'm not one hundred
percent sure I never met Ray Fisher, but Ray Fisher
was one of the early guys in View Force and
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he owned this real to Real tape recorder and he
went around interviewing a whole lot of people. I'm pretty
sure it must have been him, because he would have
been with the tape recorder. And it doesn't sound like
it's not Peter Norris's voice on the tape. It's not
Peter Norris. I'm pretty sure it's Ray Fisher. He sounds
like a very a typical Australian gentleman of the nineteen sixties,
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so they had almost a British sounding manner to them
when they were very highly educated people. And of course
people that get into interview if I researcher normally very
highly educated people, aren't we you know, we are a
lothly chance. Yeah, yeah, we're all fully qualified and everything.
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Of course highly intelligent as well. You know, well you'll
hear this guy. He sounds like a brick.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
He might have if you listen to the ABC radio
in those days in the sixties, all the radio announces
sounded like they were coming from London, you know, like
going from England. But anyway, so you'll hear you'll hear
him talking on the tape, but you'll hear the motorcyclist,
the rod talking about what's happened to him, very Australian,
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a really good Australian voice, rather than talking about how
about you run a bit of it and we listen,
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah sure? Yeah, well yeah, Just quickly before that, I'll
just give people an orientation just on where this occurred.
Just a couple of brief quick pictures. So this is
a map of Victoria, Australia, Melbourne being the capital city
down at the center there and where that red dropper
is is the town of Aubrey with Doonga, which is
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a two towns that run across the Victorian and the
New South Wales border. So that's that's where in the
state and where in Australia this particular incident occurred. So
I'll just show you that for now, and I've got
a couple of other images I might be able to
bring up as we go along just that. We'll also
show that a little clear as well. So I think
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we'll just launch straight into it. So so George and
I are going to play a piece of the tape,
then we'll stop it, have a bit of a chat
and keep playing and we'll just see how we go.
So here we go. I'll start it now.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
On the sixties of October nineteen sixty seven, regarding the
sighting of a non identified flying object on the twenty
fourth of August nineteen sixty seven Ron, Where exactly did
you see this object on the highway border?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
What were you doing at the ground between sitting in Melbourne?
Were heaving in the direction of Melbourne? How far were
you from the Dunga at the time of the staring
and what time of the day was.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It five o'clock?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
It was it was light pretty light at the time.
The sun was still out. I had been raining earlier.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
I'd stop at Aubity for about an hours till the
rain stopped, and that cleared up very well in that area.
That was quite a clear blue sky with clouds on
the horizons, but none above us.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Was it windy at the time, No, there's knowing. Was
this guy completely overcast?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
No, it was definitely clear above rolls.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
How did you first notice the object?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Well, as I said, I was thinking about seventy mile
hour and I was suddenly surrounded by a very very bright,
bluish white light. It was so intense it was hard
to see out of it. It was a sort of
a circle of.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Light around me and would have been I'm.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Only guessing it was from about thirty feet I should
imagine diameter the light itself, And naturally I looked up
to see where the source was.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
And I was.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
It was so intense the light above me that I
was virtually blinded, and so I had to stop the buying.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Was the light shining on you in a beam or
was the light sort of generally over the countryside surrounding you.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Now it was just over me, just right over you. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Whatever the source of the light was was directly above me,
shining down.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And over me. Is it light up the road there? Oh? Yeah,
it's very bright. There was the road wet or dry?
It was dry.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What did you do then? Run?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Well?
Speaker 7 (09:37):
I stopped the bike and took the sunglasses off, which
I was wearing at the time. They're only just a
cheap pair of plastic ones, are not part of it
or anything, and white lies. And for some reason I
looked off the road down to my left and there
was a disc shaped object. It first appeared to be
on the ground, but after looking at Phil, I realized
it's about three or four feet above the ground.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Would have only been about a hundred fe away from me.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When you were driving along before you stopped and you
first saw this light, could you see any object?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, there was.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
There was just a vague suggestion of something above the light.
But it was so good.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't look at it for a fraction of a second.
I couldn't couldn't see, you know, And it was right
above you. It was directly above me. But I couldn't
say it what highth There's no way knowing. It's just
so intense. So you stopped the boat, wiped your glasses
and had a look, and you saw an object off
to the left of you in the paddock. Is that true?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
It was slide downhill from the road. It would have
been about three or four feet belay the road level
where the thing was. And I left the made of
the boat going stuck it up on the on the
center standards, you know, the standard, so you can leave
it there. And I was wondering whether not to go
over and have a look at this scene. I stood
there for quite a while.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
When I say quite a while, about a minute or so.
It could have been two minutes, it's hard to tell.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And then the car went passed and I stepped down
from the raid into sort of a cold thing where
on the side of the field, and I sort of
heard the car and.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
I tried to stop it the point.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I kicked out, but he went past. And then when
I came back, or when I looked back at the thing,
there's two figures that appeared on my side of him.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So I'll just pause it there. George, do you make
of that so far?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, First of all, I'm very glad that the very
beginning was muffled, but it got clearer, didn't it. I
was thinking, oh no, this sounds terrible, but it got
very clear. You could hear it now. So that's just
how it was the original tape. Interesting. I mean, he's
describing something that's very large right above him while he's
riding this bike, very very bright, and he's looked up
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and it's so bright. Now he had to stop riding
the bike because it's basically overloaded his eyes. It's blinded
to him, and he had to It was not safe
to ride a motorbike if you can't see, you're netting
off the bike going to come to a stop. So
he's done that, and then he's he's on the side
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of the road and then he's seen something that's landed
on the ground. What did he say, a couple of
hundred yards away or something from him?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, he says one hundred feet and I think that's
about thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, well thirty minutes, and it's it's about five o'clock
in the afternoon or something like that. Wasn't it a
daylight event and he's riding solo on the motorbike. Oh,
he did one thing that's one of my pet hates.
He said, he put it up on the stand and
left the motor running on the motorbike. Yeah, well that's
probably so he can make a quick escape. But I
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hate seeing idling engines, especially diesels. But that's just me.
I hate them. I'm going to turn those motors off
if you're not driving, turn them off.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes, anyway, I think I think he's wanting to. Yeah,
I think he would have done he could escape exactly. Yeah,
so he's this thing, you know, and he talks about
this very calmly, as we'll see when we continue.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a bit further our press play.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
The car that went past.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Do you think you could have seen the object from
the road.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
It's hard to say, but I doubt it unless they're
looking in that in that area, but that very much.
They may have just seen something, but going past yet
to put the road there.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
It's now i'd say we have seen it.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Whilst you were stopped. How many cars do you think
pasted you on the highway?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Well, there was only the one that went past that
I tended to stop, which I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
I hope I couldn't get to the.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Road past now, and then there may have been others
go past after that, but I was too intrigued by
the thing to notice how far off the road was
the object.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Well, it wouldn't have been much more than hundred feet.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
This was This was a grassy area, paddict area, farm area.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
It was.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
It was a paddict lookers that have been used for
grays sheep or cattlest ithing like this. There's no trees.
The nearest tree would have been about two hundred yards away.
It was just an open expense. Were there any animals
in the paddic at the tone, No, there was no animals.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
No people. Then I think this mean did.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You see any homestead from the from the area you
were at, Not from where I was, but further up
the road a bit, another two or three miles up
the road, there was a homestead on the left for
the well off. Well, what did you do after you
got off the bike? You were standing watching the object
and you saw the two figures.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, I didn't see them come out of the object.
It was quite obviously belonged to it, and we just
sort of stood there and looked at each other for
a while.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I presume they're looking at me.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I was facing in my direction, and then I took
a step towards them to see what sort of reaction
it again, and the two figures did exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Mm? Yeah, I guess it would have been fairly surprised
to his his figures. He's talking about, well, basically what
humanoid looking creatures, not animals, but the people that have
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resembled humans. I guess yeah, h.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And he's talking.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
About me doing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well I would. I would be doing exactly what he
is doing, and I would still be standing there. And
he's kind of so he's sort of in this little
Mexican standoff sort of a situation. At the moment where
he's standing, they've seen him. He didn't see them appear,
but then the next minute, there they are, two of them,
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five foot tall, clad in a in an entirely you know,
a skin tight uniform with a fishbowl type of helmet.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He's taken a step to see how they'll react. He
might have been hoping they would step back, but they
step forward. He stepped forward. They stepped forward. Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Wow, let's let's keep listening.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, you'd have to be yeah, you have to be
pretty sure of yourself to do that. I guess, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
You're right, and which were there for a while longer,
And I was wondering whether it turned out and run
or go across and see what was doing. And one
of the figures took two steps towards me, quite smiling,
and raised his hand and back on me over to him.
At this stage I panic and died back on the
bike and took off down their own.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Could you see any opening in the craft, any door.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Or passage or ladder of any sort. No, there was
nothing showing whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And how far do you think the object.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Was off the ground, that's three or four feet?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Did it stay at a constant height all the time
that you watched it?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Yes, it didn't move. It didn't hu, didn't make any noise,
didn't do anything. It just sort of have it about
the green and sa ken.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Getting back to these figures, were they? What sort of figures?
Were they? Good to describe them as as you can
remember them? Well, they are about five to five and
a half feet tall.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
I couldn't say for sure, lest I was a bit
class to say, between five and five and a half
feet tall, completely covered from neck to from neck to
feet in a sort of a silver coverall but it
was a very very tight fitting thing. There's no seams
now cruises. It almost looks like skin, including the hands
and the feet were covered in this. It's just looking
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somebody's braided in with silver paint wiles.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Did this material reflect like a silver sheet or did
it look like a silver cloth?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Silver cloth? Didn't appear to be reflective. It was a
similar to an unbuffed chrome in an appearance. It didn't
appear to be unbuff chrome, but the actual texture or
the color of it was like unbuff crome. It had
no reflective quality.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know, could you see any joints in the material
at all?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
There was nothing whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
How about the beings feet, they just had this discoverall
appear to extend over their feet the whole lot, you know. Well,
you couldn't see any shoes, well these there may have
been a sole on this. It just looked as the
thing had a zip up the back which I couldn't see,
and they stepped into it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And it's had shoes, gloves, a whole lot all in one.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
How are they build heavy slight?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Well, I'd say what we call a medium build. It
didn't appear to any excess fat on them. I presume
they've got fat, but it didn't appear. Just put it
this way, five or five foot five. This is the
way I'd like to be built.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
See the hands of these beings. Could you see that
that distance separate fingers or was it completely covered in
the silver material?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Now this I took notice of it because I had
seen I had seen the move.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
But arms, legs, and hands, and they are exactly the
same as we are in joints in the distance between joints.
I can't say about the head because it was covered
by a helmet of some description and it may have
had a transparent area in the front of it. But
the rest of the helmet and opake finish just pause
it there, very detailed description.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, well he was. When you're riding a motorcycle,
it's like you're going to war with the rest of
the road users. You have to be alert. You have
to be well awake and alert and very very observant
about everything because your survival depends on it. And so
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he's pulled over the bike and he's looking at everything,
and yeah, he's just observing what he's recalling what he saw.
Interesting that about the helmet and the type fitting almost
like it looked like it was sprayed onto them. Kind of.
That's a tight suit. Interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, it is, and it's quite a common reported type
of suit too. Throughout UFO history, particularly during that fifties
and sixties his seventies type of period. There's lots of
silver suits and helmeted occupants appearing in different crafts and
always with that skin time, almost like a second skin
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type of appearance.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, what occurred to me just in that little segment too,
was so there were any legs going down to the
ground from the object, It was just there. You know
that movie The Flight of the Navigator, That object just hovers.
There's no legs to the ground. It's just there and
you know the steps come down, but there's nothing supporting
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them either. That was Hollywood, but it was well done.
But he's describing something that's so far different to anything
we know. You know, we would have a leg with
a wheel on the end of it. You know, it
hasn't got anything. It's just sitting there, not making any sound,
and it's rock solid, just sitting there. Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now I'll playing, Yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I couldn't see into it.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Could you describe the helmet more thoroughly? The designer saying,
you know, and sort of what size it was in.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Relation to the normal.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
Head, about half as large again, perhaps about half as
large again just like a fish, just like a fish.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
And it's completely round, So.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
It came round at the base of their necks, not
to their shoulders.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
The coverall thing went to there went to neck, and
this and this helmet seemed to fit down over the
thing which was which appeared fantastic because quite obviously couldn't
drag the thing off. It wouldn't fit over their chins.
That's provoke saying that you've got the same sort of
features as what we have. And even between the helmet
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and the cover, I couldn't see any joint.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I presume it must have been, but I couldn't see him.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
This helmet was the same color as the garments that
they were wearing.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
No, it wasn't. It was a gray.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
It was more of a gray, same sort of same
sort of texture of a grays car.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Metallic.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
It's hard to say. I couldn't say it could have
been a metallic. It could have been some sort of
a plastic substance, you know how they look or something.
But it seems strange to me that I couldn't see
into the helmet being so close to it. You think
that if there had been a transparent part of the
front that I would have noticed this.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
It was the helmet the same color all over? Or
was there any difference in the shade of the helmet,
for instance, in front of where you think their eyes
would be.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
No, it appeared to be the same all over.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
There was no face plate or anything.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Over, none that I could see. But thinking about the
about the helmet, it would have been possible for a
transparent part to be in the front of it without
me seeing it from the anger we were.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Because what I.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Find so interesting about the way he describes the helmet,
it's almost like this suit is kind of like a
what's the right word. It's like it's almost it's almost
part of the body, almost, but the helmet, the helmet.
He couldn't get around how the helmet and the neck
were attached to each other. Like it's a really extraordinary
description for what I would call a uniform and not
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what you would encounter in a in our world.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Oh well, it's it's reminding me just listening to it.
It's reminding me a bit of the astronauts when they
were on the moon. They had the suits went up
to their neck, they had a large ring around that,
and they had a big helmet on top, and the
lighting was such that when they were on the moon
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you couldn't see their faces inside it. When they took
those photographs, all you got was a reflection of what
was in the environment. It was reflected, you know, So
it could be a similar effect like that. Perhaps it's
like he's he's not seeing some strange looking person looking
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at him, is he He's just seeing the arms and
legs of the body and this brown helmet and the
arm gesture was beckoning him to come over, and he's thinking,
m maybe maybe not. Yeah, he's a very good it's
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a very clear description. And this is one of the
things I like about these eyewitness cases. You know. The
skeptics will always say people are really bad at describing
things or remembering things. Memories are really terrible. This guy's
memorizing very clearly what he's seeing and giving very clear description,
and he's thought about what it was and he's tried
(24:38):
to figure it out. He's an intelligent guy, you know,
he's not and you've got to give this guy some credit,
you know, He's given very clear descriptions of something he
has never countered before, and he says it looks like
it could be a plastic, it could be a mentallity
thing or a ceramic. He's not sure. It's got certain
(24:59):
proper it is that he can describe, but he can't
say for sure what they are. So he's very intelligent.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, he is, he is. And that's one of the
things I really love about about this encounter is just
how he almost he's kind of almost detached from it
because he's not extremely emotional about it. He talks about
it in an extremely rational way, and I think that
there's such a high high strangeness encounter. His description of
(25:29):
it is extraordinary, and I don't think I've really heard
something like it myself. There might be other examples out there,
but his description is very, very thorough.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, I'll keep.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Let's he say next, let's let's keep on. Let's let's
let's not Dilley deally.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
It's behind me showing on them.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I think it would have been possible to have just
a quick piece of glass in the front.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
I still would have sawd it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So the helmets were really reflecting more than the garments
that they were wearing.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Not reflecting so much. They seemed more absorbed light and
reflect light.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
But they had a.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
It's very hard to explain it, not a reflective quality,
but they seem to, as I said, to hold the life,
but not reflected away from them like a mirror of
high polished metal.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Do so. I mean the craft was of.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
A high polish metal and be quite obviously reflected light,
but the seats didn't. Even though they were brighter than
what they would have been in a dark room. You know,
they wouldn't have wouldn't you would have seen them in
the dark room. They still seem to somehow sort of
hold the light. We'll put it this way. I can't
I've never seen anything like it before. This is sort
of absorbing light quality. So I can't compare it with anything.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I know.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
It's very hard to find words because there isn't any right.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Did you ever see these figures from the rear? No?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Only front view? Is?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Wow, it's interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Very clear description?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah? I mean the way he talks is that you
can you can actually see what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, And he's saying that this helmet is absorbing
light rather than reflecting. That's interesting. I don't know if
we've got anything that's quite like that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No, I haven't heard that before about about a suited
occupant being described in that way, that it's absorbing light,
not shiny or reflecting it, because you often hear that
about craft themselves. Was lit up like a billboard, but
they don't cast shadow. So there's some interesting quality these
to these materials that they're being used. This is nineteen
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sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, some kind of dynamic going on there that we
don't know about. No, so this is just one year afterward,
in the next year after Westall happened.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yes, exactly. That's a really good point. Yeah, just straight after,
within the next twelve months from Westall. This is a
major closing care with occupants on the ground, so you
know people was pretty close. Yeah, and really close, Yeah, exactly,
extraordinarily close to him, you know, amazing. I'll press play
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from the.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Side, just only from the front. I'm only surmising that
though were the same as well. I didn't see them
from the side, but if I hadn't been fifteen feet
thick or something, that would.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Have showed up what distance were they from you again.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Well, whether the taking in the distance I was from
the bike and what they were from the craft, I'd
say no more than eighty feet, perhaps even seventy feet.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Did they at any time speak or shout to or
emitting any audible sound?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Now at this stage I hadn't hadn't heard a sound
either from the craft or from the two figures.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
How did you feel at the stage?
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Run Well, for some reason, and it's not in character
with myself, I was extremely frightened thinking about it. Reasonably frightened,
I mean understandable. I would have been a little bit
apprehensive or something, but not not to the point of
visually shared terror, which I felt when this when this
person beckoned me over to them, and thinking about it later,
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I wasn't aware of it at the time, but thinking
about it later, it seemed to me that there was
that the craft or the people or something in the
area was it was sort of sending sending put this
like a radio wave. Wish I couldn't feel with the
senses or touch or smell or something, but it seemed
to be radiating the sphere.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
This may have been a reason for the contact to
see what sort of a reaction just this would this
would bring about you know, but.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
This we might order a panic reaction or fear reaction.
Did this start immediately to stop the bake, before you
stop the bike? Afterwards? How did it sort of begin?
And how to build up?
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Now quite definite on this. Before the figures appeared, I
was well, firstly.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Made up my mind.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
If if I hadn't a pid, I would have gone
over the object and had to look at it, and
it wasn't too up. I looked away from the object
and looked back and saw the figures that this this
fear impulse.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, that's the that's the end of part part one.
Uh so, yeah, really really really incredible stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So this fear he's talking about, this fear impulse. You
know what that reminds me of Remember when Chase COLLETSI
came out here and she was talking about they went
out into that field where the things had been seen
flying around, and they thought there might have been somebody
hiding in the bushes, but there was this sort of
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a they noticed this really look something was generating a
feeling that they all picked up on, and it was
fear and it was like it was put upon them
so that they took took off out.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Of there.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Exactly that you have.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good analogy. That's a really,
that's a really that's a really good comparison. And I
think that he's you know, like we all say that
we'd love to stand there and you know, go up
and meet the aliens. But it's not necessarily going to
happen that way.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Yeah, or if it has, they may generate as a
safety mechanism, something to make you turn tail and run,
make you frightened. M.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And it's almost like a vibe, a fear machine, a
vibe you feel fear, you go, you get out of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There, absolutely, And it's almost like there's this it's almost
like it's an experiment between him and them as well,
Like there's this there's this sort of like you they
take it, takes it, they take a step, gets raised up, beckoning,
and it's just it's just really sort of interaction that occurred. M.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So I'll start, yeah, let's have to listen to the
next But what's you going to say, now.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, let's let's have it. Let's have a.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Listen, Let's go back a little minute. I apparently haven't
got this quite straight. When you first saw the object
on the ground, there were no figures.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
No, there were no figures when I first saw it,
and as I said, before I looked away, I was
going to try and wave.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
The car down.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
It went past it fast, my putting it up on
the road quick enough. I doubt if you would have
stopped anyway, being a motorcycles and all the rest. But
it wasn't until I looked back to the craft the
second time that the figures were there. I didn't see
them get out of the craft. I'm only surmising they
belong to it.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
We say, quite obviously, you just buy their dress. But
I didn't see them leave the craft.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I just looked back and there they were, standing in
front of the thing, facing that far away.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
From the craft? Were they when you first saw them?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
About ten fally in front of it?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And this fear reaction sat at that stage.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Well, it's hard to say exactly when it started, but
I became aware of it after i'd taken this step.
I didn't become aware of it then, but thinking back
on it now, I realized when it first hit me
it was after I'd taken the step towards the figures
and they've done the same, and they copied the action.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You I took the initiative first. You were the first
one to move.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Well, at this stage, I was just purely curious when
I first saw the thing that I heard a little
bit about flying sources that hadn't taken any interest in them.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
And my immediate reaction when I first saw it was, well,
there's a flying sources.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Now we know they exist, and I wonder what it's
doing there, and will I go over and have a
look at it.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
But it was just purely curiosity.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As I said, if this fear reaction hadn't set in
after these figures appeared, I would have definitely gone over
to the to the source or the disco, whatever you
want to call it, and I had to look at it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Have you ever felt this sort of fear or panic
before or in any other situation? No?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Never, Well, just just for instance, I've been racing bikes
for a few years and feel filled or panic.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
You'll fill in the race track.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
This was unreasonable, so you couldn't you couldn't fight against it.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
No, it was completely out of character. It was just
like an animal instinct. All I wanted to do was
hop on the bike and run away, you know, which.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is so isn't that easy? That's exactly That's the exact reaction,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Well, also he said something else there was quite interesting.
He said he races motorbikes, so he's he's you know,
he knows what he's doing with his bike, he knows
how to ride, is a very very proficient motorcyclist. He's
races motorcyclists. Well, if you're racing a motorbike, you are
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so alert. When you're going even faster, you're looking at
everything around you at very rapid speed. You have to survive.
And this thing isn't moving or doing anything, and he's
just standing there. He's taking one step and all of
a sudden he's got this great feeling of fear that's
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overcome him, and he just wants to jump on the
bike and get out of there. It's just very interesting.
And the only other UFO encounter I've heard of where
anybody has said that this fear ran through the people
was was that when I mentioned before, when Chase said
that that happened to them. Yeah, really really very interesting.
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A lot of these things don't get into the reports.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Do they They don't know that you're not going to
read online when you when you pay to a web
to a web page for a snapshot of this particular case,
you're not going to you're not going to get that.
This is what the interviews will give you.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, okay, we'll keep.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Away.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, yes, you know it was possessed by it. That
was completely unreasonable.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Let's go back again to the what we were talking about.
A moment ago. You took a step towards the figures
and the object. What did they do?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, we faced each other for a minute or so,
and I was still curious at this stage, and I
took a step towards them to see what they do.
And then they took the same step towards me. After
I had taken the step, they both took a step
towards me, and then we just stood a sort of
a star.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Mate again for a while.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
And then after being in this position for a while,
it's supposed a minute of it or so, it could
have just been five seconds, it's hard to say, but
then one of the other figures took a couple of
steps towards me and beckoned me over. And it was
at this stage it's just absolute sheer panic hit me.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's when the sheer panic hit him.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
M I wonder if that's that looked. That could either
be explained by being a psychological reaction that suddenly came
to him that up, I could be in danger here,
or it could be that they've got a kind of
method of making you keep your distance, I make you
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have this fear. Maybe it is just a natural fear reaction.
Maybe absolute. Look, I'm not I'm not a qualified psychologist.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I studied psychology, but I I dropped out of UNI.
I didn't finish mycause. But so I can't really say definitely,
you know, it was this psychological reaction. I think if
I was there, it would be a psychological reaction. I
hope you're getting out of there, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, absolutely? And listening to out No exactly right, And
listening to Ron, he doesn't seem like a sort of
guy who scares easily either. So listening to the way
that he talks, he doesn't strike me as he's a
motorcycle racer. He worked in the hotel industry at the time,
and he doesn't strike me as someone who would be
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easily scared.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well, if he's racing motorcycles, is either insane or very
very very good nerves.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Very good nerves exactly let's continue.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Could you describe thoroughly exactly what the object looked like
at the stage?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yes, it was well, so to use a description which.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Has been used before, it's the same as one source
of punk on top of the other.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
It had a dome affair on the.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Top of it, which would have the object would have
been about twenty five to thirty feet across. This is
at its widest point, the dame on the top or cabin, whichever.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You like to call it, Brian, we'll call it the cabin.
It would have been about.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
The base of it would have been about a third
the width of the object, and it would have been
about seven or eight feet high, I think. And then
on the top of this cabin there was a flat
spot about eight inches two feet across it sort of
tape it up from the from the main hull of
the thing. And then on this flat section on the
top there was sort of a little bubble about a
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foot across those face about a foot high or something.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Was this raised portion on the disc the same color
as the disk itself.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It wasn't.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
At the top of the disc was a very very
bright polish metal the same as chromium. Now the bottom
of the disc was Now the top and the bottom
were divided by what appeared if you could imagine a
metal band about four or six inches wide, which quite
quite a dark gray, disappeared to go right around the object,
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and it was well, if to the ground, it was
vertical if you're following, if you understand the description. So
it had a flat edge, Yeah, it had a flat edge. Now,
the base of the thing was it was either a
brown or a black, a very dark brown or a
very dark gray or black, and protruding from the bottom
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of the thing there was there was well, it was
the same diameter as the cabin, directly below the cabin,
and it was about eighteen inches.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Two feet from the hull at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Do you think the bottom of the object was brown
or reflecting the ground.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
No, it was definitely the color of the thing because
it was grass around there.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It was green grass.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Yeah, the bottom didn't appear to have any reflective quality
or this thing protruding from the bottom of it. It
was a very very dark and definite blake that stood
out from the rest of the thing, Now, the cabin
of the thing, it was also silver. If you could
imagine the top section of the source it from the
widest point was chrome. And they'd only buffed the actual
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hull itself and not buffed the cabin.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
This is the appearance of it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
The little bubble on the top of the dome was
this it's the same color as the dome.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And none of the object appeared to be transparent.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
To now there's no transparency whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And on the hull itself, this is on the brightly
polished part of the hull on the right hand side,
there was the start of well, I'd say it would
be some sort of insignia that appeared to be painted
into the hole, but I could only see the beginning
of it because of the curvature of the hull. It
couldn't make out what it was, or I couldn't reproduce them.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Did the object remain completely steady during the time that
you watched it or did it isolate slightly?
Speaker 7 (41:34):
No, it just stayed there. There's no rock steady, there's
no movement whatsoever, and no noise.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
After I took off on the bike, well, I think
I was to get away from the thing, and then
when I went away from it, all the panics soon
to subside, and I started thinking rationally again. And at
this stage I was doing well over one hundred miles hour.
My boat's capable of just one hundred and thirty mile
the how and it was doing this at this stage.
Now I heard a hum which I hadn't heard from
the thing before. And considering I was doing well over
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one hundred mile hour with a crash at, engine noise,
exhaust noise plus the wind gown through my crash out
one hundred and thirty mile an hour one hundred and
twenty mile hour every I was doing it at the time,
it must have been quite loud for me to hear it,
so I straightaway knew what it was. Don't asked me out,
And I just knew what it was because I never
heard a hume like this before. And I had a
quick look around, and sure enough it was.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
It was airborne. Now it was.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
About about two hundred feet away from me. It's in
my left and about one hundred feet off the ground,
and it was following following me. When I say following me,
as I go around a corner, it had come around
with me. It was keeping the same distance from regardless
of how fast or how slow I went, And as
I followed the raid at this stage it was a
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pinkish color. The whole craft seemed to be surrounded by
some sort of a pinkish film. Although I could see
it clearly, it had a pinkish appearance about it. To say,
the air was hot around it, something like this. It
was the air around the old ject pinkish too, or
just the object? Well, at first I thought it was
the object, but after looking at it for a while,
I think it was actually away from the object. It
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could have just been the surround the edit surround the
object itself which had this color to Was.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
It raining at the stage of the sting or was
it still clear.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Now that sun was still out was reflecting off the object, so.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
You could see this pink glow around the object and
also the sun.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Reflecting from it off of the top of the top
part of it.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
How far away from me was the object of the
stage whilst it was in flight.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
It kept the exact same distance all the time. I'd say, well,
I'm a reasonable good judge at distance.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I've had no train, I'm reasonably good judge from racing bikes,
mainly from breaking for corns and things, and I'd say
that would have kept a constant two hundred feet from
me in a straight line and about one hundred feet
off the ground.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
But this very because of the terraine.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Was this flat terrain there or hilly.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
It's reasonably flat that you get the usual ups and
down stitute in any cape area.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Did the object at this stage have exactly the same
look as it did when it was on the ground
starring the color?
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Yes, the lower portion was still.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Recruiting from the bottom of the disc, the base was
still there, and it was still get playing.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Anyway, I realized that the thing was quite obviously following me,
and that I was going as fast as it was
possible for me to go, and I couldn't get away
from it. So I started slowing down, looking for somewhere
to go, like a three to hide under a rabbit
barry to dive into, or a house or something. And
I eventually stopped, and the object stopped, with me still
keeping the same distance away from him. I molast resigned
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myself to the fact that it was after me and
there's nothing I could do to get away from him,
and so I just sort of sat on the bike
and the matter is still taking over. Stop when arms started,
and watched it to see what it was going to do,
you see, I expected.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
It to come back, of course, instead of coming.
Speaker 7 (44:53):
Back, it sort of sat there for about about thirty
seconds or say, with nothing happening, and it began to
change color, a gradual change from a pink and it
got to a very very bright and deep red.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
It finished up.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
It went right through the whole red spectrum until it
was quite hard to look at. That could hurt the
eyes to look at this, it was so bright. And
then it till that its base actually till at the
top of the of the disk away from it. We've
got a forty five degree angle, so I could see
the base. And the funny part was, I though this
thing was so bright, the black area in the bottom
of it remained black all the time. It stood out
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very distinctly, you know. And then all of a sudden,
without any noise whatsoever, I could still hear the hum
at the stage, but when it stopped, it appeared to
just about go away, because as we slow down together
and the hum soon to remain constantly. Now I was
slowing down, and so I presume that the faster the
thing's going louder at hums.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
This is only my.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
Then till of the base away from me, after it
reached his very bright red and all of a sudden
it ex an absolutely fantastic rate where it left at
a fantastic split.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
It didn't accelerate. It was one minute it was stopped.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
The next minute it was doing something like two or
three thousand miles an house away from me and up
at a full degree angle, and there was still no
noise whatsoever. The hum stop as soon as the things
started moving, and it just went. But there was no
acceleration I could expect with a.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Plane or something.
Speaker 7 (46:16):
It starts from naught and its starting accelerated. It was
top speed just one minute this thing was stopped. The
next thing it was doing two or three thousand miles.
And now this is only a guest because I'm no
expert on the SPA from it, but it was going
way faster than planes I've seen which had broken the
sound barrier. And there was still no nois there's no
sonic murm, there's nothing to dispanish. If it had gone
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a fraction past I would have just thought it disappeared.
I could make out that it went out, but only
just happened so fast.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
At this stage, just before it left you, was the
bottom still a brownish color as it was on the ground.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
The whole thing was bright red, barring the section in
the the part at the bottom itself, this is the
thing that was protruding from the bottom of it, This
was still black.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
The rest of the thing was a very very broad.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Casting your mind back to when you were driving along
prior to stopping near the object, was there any noise
that that stage associated with it?
Speaker 7 (47:11):
None that I can remember. There could have possibly been
at the time, but with a bright light, I wasn't
really thinking about noise to be caught on us.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
And later, when the object was in flight, did it
ever exhibit the same characteristic as earlier in the sighting
and shine a bright light anywhere around? Nah?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
There was barring that the light coming from the object,
which was, as I said, a reddish color. There was
no other light whatsoever, nothing like what hit means.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Whilst you were traveling along the road you left the object,
did you pass any cars or did any cars pass
you going in the opposite direction? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (47:45):
A couple of cars came the other way, and I
waved like Madden pointed. It was the thing.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
This is after the objects reappeared. Before it reappeared, I
wasn't worrying about stopping anybody. But when it reappeared, I
waved like mad and all sorts of things, and I
got some funny looks, and that's about all I got.
Nobody stopped and nobody appeared to the object.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
What do you think the total tone duration of the
sighting was from the first moment that you saw it
until it finally left.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
This is hard to say, but I'd say roughly about
five minutes. There could have been three minutes, and it
could have been ten minutes. But you know, I wasn't
looking at any watchers.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Have you reported this to the Air Force or any
investigative bodies such as the local police.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
I didn't report it to anybody else, right in a ridicule.
It quite just thought fird laugh at me. It was
only feel very about means that I reput it to Pegs.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
When you first stopped and observed the object closely, wouldn't
it have been a more normal reaction. I think this
was some sort of Air Force secret weapon. And these
were Air Force been dressed up in a type of spacesuit.
Speaker 7 (48:48):
Sorry, but the Air Force has got nothing that looks
like that or did but that this face that made
no noise. It was hovering off the ground and I've
never seen it in shape like that before. It didn't
come from here.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
You were positive when you first saw the object.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
As soon as I said I said, well there's a
flying source in there. You know they exist. I'd sort
of in a bit skeptical before it hadn't taken any
notice of it. But after saying this signy exist, all right.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Had you ever read anything previous to the siding on
lying sources or barring a couple of newspaper headlines in
Sydney when they had the source and their things.
Speaker 7 (49:18):
I think it was somewhere around Liverpool. Now they haven't
takeny interesting. I just sort of I haven't haven't laughed
at them, but I haven't taken any active interest in
and whatsoever Red Nooe books or anything.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And I know we we sort of let that play
for a fair while, but we will get this, yeah,
well we will get all listen to one episode.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
So I liked how he described that at first when
it was flying around him. It was sort of the
air around the object when kind of a pink color.
That that's pretty interesting. I think there have been a
few cases that sounds to me like the air was
ionized or something like that. You know, it could very
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well be affected by a very high electighly charged electronic
or electric field around the object. You know, then that
would describe a changing color. And there are other people
that have said things like that, like at the Westall
case when Paul Smith said that the thing he saw
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changed its color, it went through different colors, and it
was like it's in city or it's its density changed,
he thought, because it went through trees without affecting the
trees at all, but it had it could change his density. Now,
it's interesting. He says that he heard this humming noise
while he was riding the bike, but he turned around.
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He's going over one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
I turned to.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Look at the thing. That's a bit risky, you know.
He must have been a very experienced motorcycle racing rider
to be able to turn at one hundred miles an
hour and not come off. Yes, exactly, Glad he didn't
come off, you know, but he's seen this, Yeah, he's
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he said, it's gone an intense red color the whole
object except for this black ring at the bottom of it.
That for a for a physicist, that could be very
interesting information for any scientists listening to the show, any
physicists with an interest in the subject. They won't be
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talking to their friends about it, but they may have
an interest in This kind of eyewitness description can give
us a lot of clues, I reckon, a lot of
clues about the physical reality of these things.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Absolutely, it's a very very good report of what happened.
Here is Ron's actual drawing. This has not been seen,
if at all, many many So that's his actual actual
picture of what he saw. And you can see that
monogram that he said was just out of sight for him. Yeah, yeah,
that all very much matches up to what he actually
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said and when it was over him, when it was
flying above him, this is what he This is what
he saw looking up at.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
It from below. Yeah, right, that other side of that
other skit, that first one there, you can see it's
got that band around the middle, and it's a sorcer
on top of the other's lawser and the black thing
is the thing at the bottom the same size as
the kind of dome bit on top. It's really very
very interesting and it's very light, very similar to the
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thing described by the Westall Witnesses.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yes, yes, I haven't seen this sketch before. No, this
is a really good sketch. It's an amazing illustration. It's
a great sketch. Yeah, and this is his signature when
he signed off on his pro former that he'd done
four view four. That's that's his signature. So really amazing.
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And this I want this out to be the approximate
location of where it occurred, ten miles outside of Aubury,
as near as I can find it. This is the
area where he had the encounter, just so people get
a bit of an idea on what that area highway
actually actually looked like.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Well, like you said, it was pretty flat, but just
the usual up its ups and downs did you get
as you go across the country. Yeah, exactly, So again
again a very good description of the area.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, yeah, really fantastic. So thank you very much George
for joining me on this episode. And I hope that
everybody's found it really intriguing as much as you and
I have.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
It's a very good case, very very good case, and
a very good description. Yeah, it's been fun doing it, Ben,
it's been good.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Thank you so much. And we'll get together again at
some point and perhaps discuss another case down the track.
So it's really good and listen we've got Yeah, we
really do hope that you enjoyed that show. Fascinating case.
By all means, try and find some more information on it,
but this really is probably the most detailed that you'll
ever find that on this particular very intriguing case here
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on unexplained phenomen in Australia. So until next week, thank
you so much for joining us.
Australia, the sixth largest country on Earth. An ancient, rugged
and unforgiving land with abundant animal life, both beautiful and
deadly found within its awe inspiring landscapes and natural beauty.
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Exists a deep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
the courage to investigate them. Tonight we join Ben on
a journey across this vast island continent in search of
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answers to events that have reshaped the lives of so
many that have been exposed to unexplained phenomena with your
host Ben.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Her Get everyone and welcome to another episode of Unexplained
Phenomena Australia. Tonight. We've got a really intriguing episode for you. Tonight.
We're going to be looking at the very interesting case
of a man called Ron Hydes, who on the twenty
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fourth of August at nineteen sixty seven, had a truly
extraordinary encounter on the Hume Highway, which is the main
highway between Sydney and Melbourne, at about five o'clock in
the afternoon, when he encountered a landed UFO or craft
with two occupants outside as he was riding his motorcycle
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just outside of the town of Aubury, right on the
New South Wales Victorian border. So this case has been
absolutely an incredible case, and it's really been lost to
time because it occurred so many years ago, and an
interview that Ron has done in the year of the
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encounter has been unearthed. Now, I grew very interested in
this case when I was young at school. I remember
reading a little bit about it, just the basic outline
of it, and even today you can go online to
various websites and find a basic outline of what actually
occurred to Ron on the twenty fourth of August nineteen
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sixty seven. So that was my first experience through school,
and it's always been on my list of cases to
have a look at and to get involved in again.
And one day I was talking to my good friend
and fellow researcher George Simpson, who I had on the
show about two weeks ago. And as I was talking
to George and told him about my interest in the
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case and what a great encounter it was, George then
said to me that he had a tape with an
interview that Ron had done in October nineteen sixty seven.
Now this is significant as the recording was done so
close in time to the actual events, when it was
definitely fresh in Ron's mind, and that comes out very
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clearly in the interview. The interview had been found on
a real to real tape in the possession of longtime
View Force member Les Bristol. So tonight, George is going
to join me and we will present this to you
in full. This is a long lost interview and has
not been heard in over fifty years, not by the
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public and certainly not by a twenty first century audience,
and it is very compelling listening. So with that, I
would like to welcome George.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Hello, George, how are you very well?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Thank you for joining me again on tonight's Soode. I'm
very excited to be talking about this case and I
was very I was very happy when you mentioned to
me that you actually did have a copy of an
interview that Ron had done.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well. I was surprised because the name that you mentioned
about the case matched the tape I had just been
listening to. Because I was playing the real to real
tape and digitizing it so I could put a bit
of modern day magic on it to tie up the
sound to make it sound a bit better. So everybody
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could listen to it, and it's a pretty good recording,
and with a bit of tweaking, it's come up pretty well.
And yeah, I had been just doing that in the
last few days before you mentioned the case. So of
course I said, yeah, well, we've got a tape of that.
That's an old View Force tape. And I was a
committee member of View Force for eight years and this
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came to me through THEIRS. It's an old real to
real tape and it's really maybe we should just introduce
the story now. The thing is, I'm not one hundred
percent sure I never met Ray Fisher, but Ray Fisher
was one of the early guys in View Force and
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he owned this real to Real tape recorder and he
went around interviewing a whole lot of people. I'm pretty
sure it must have been him, because he would have
been with the tape recorder. And it doesn't sound like
it's not Peter Norris's voice on the tape. It's not
Peter Norris. I'm pretty sure it's Ray Fisher. He sounds
like a very a typical Australian gentleman of the nineteen sixties,
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so they had almost a British sounding manner to them
when they were very highly educated people. And of course
people that get into interview if I researcher normally very
highly educated people, aren't we you know, we are a
lothly chance. Yeah, yeah, we're all fully qualified and everything.
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Of course highly intelligent as well. You know, well you'll
hear this guy. He sounds like a brick.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
He might have if you listen to the ABC radio
in those days in the sixties, all the radio announces
sounded like they were coming from London, you know, like
going from England. But anyway, so you'll hear you'll hear
him talking on the tape, but you'll hear the motorcyclist,
the rod talking about what's happened to him, very Australian,
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a really good Australian voice, rather than talking about how
about you run a bit of it and we listen,
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah sure? Yeah, well yeah, Just quickly before that, I'll
just give people an orientation just on where this occurred.
Just a couple of brief quick pictures. So this is
a map of Victoria, Australia, Melbourne being the capital city
down at the center there and where that red dropper
is is the town of Aubrey with Doonga, which is
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a two towns that run across the Victorian and the
New South Wales border. So that's that's where in the
state and where in Australia this particular incident occurred. So
I'll just show you that for now, and I've got
a couple of other images I might be able to
bring up as we go along just that. We'll also
show that a little clear as well. So I think
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we'll just launch straight into it. So so George and
I are going to play a piece of the tape,
then we'll stop it, have a bit of a chat
and keep playing and we'll just see how we go.
So here we go. I'll start it now.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
On the sixties of October nineteen sixty seven, regarding the
sighting of a non identified flying object on the twenty
fourth of August nineteen sixty seven Ron, Where exactly did
you see this object on the highway border?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
What were you doing at the ground between sitting in Melbourne?
Were heaving in the direction of Melbourne? How far were
you from the Dunga at the time of the staring
and what time of the day was.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It five o'clock?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
It was it was light pretty light at the time.
The sun was still out. I had been raining earlier.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
I'd stop at Aubity for about an hours till the
rain stopped, and that cleared up very well in that area.
That was quite a clear blue sky with clouds on
the horizons, but none above us.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Was it windy at the time, No, there's knowing. Was
this guy completely overcast?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
No, it was definitely clear above rolls.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
How did you first notice the object?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Well, as I said, I was thinking about seventy mile
hour and I was suddenly surrounded by a very very bright,
bluish white light. It was so intense it was hard
to see out of it. It was a sort of
a circle of.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Light around me and would have been I'm.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Only guessing it was from about thirty feet I should
imagine diameter the light itself, And naturally I looked up
to see where the source was.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
And I was.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
It was so intense the light above me that I
was virtually blinded, and so I had to stop the buying.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Was the light shining on you in a beam or
was the light sort of generally over the countryside surrounding you.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Now it was just over me, just right over you. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Whatever the source of the light was was directly above me,
shining down.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And over me. Is it light up the road there? Oh? Yeah,
it's very bright. There was the road wet or dry?
It was dry.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
What did you do then? Run?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Well?
Speaker 7 (09:37):
I stopped the bike and took the sunglasses off, which
I was wearing at the time. They're only just a
cheap pair of plastic ones, are not part of it
or anything, and white lies. And for some reason I
looked off the road down to my left and there
was a disc shaped object. It first appeared to be
on the ground, but after looking at Phil, I realized
it's about three or four feet above the ground.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Would have only been about a hundred fe away from me.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When you were driving along before you stopped and you
first saw this light, could you see any object?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, there was.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
There was just a vague suggestion of something above the light.
But it was so good.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't look at it for a fraction of a second.
I couldn't couldn't see, you know, And it was right
above you. It was directly above me. But I couldn't
say it what highth There's no way knowing. It's just
so intense. So you stopped the boat, wiped your glasses
and had a look, and you saw an object off
to the left of you in the paddock. Is that true?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
It was slide downhill from the road. It would have
been about three or four feet belay the road level
where the thing was. And I left the made of
the boat going stuck it up on the on the
center standards, you know, the standard, so you can leave
it there. And I was wondering whether not to go
over and have a look at this scene. I stood
there for quite a while.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
When I say quite a while, about a minute or so.
It could have been two minutes, it's hard to tell.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And then the car went passed and I stepped down
from the raid into sort of a cold thing where
on the side of the field, and I sort of
heard the car and.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
I tried to stop it the point.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I kicked out, but he went past. And then when
I came back, or when I looked back at the thing,
there's two figures that appeared on my side of him.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So I'll just pause it there. George, do you make
of that so far?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, First of all, I'm very glad that the very
beginning was muffled, but it got clearer, didn't it. I
was thinking, oh no, this sounds terrible, but it got
very clear. You could hear it now. So that's just
how it was the original tape. Interesting. I mean, he's
describing something that's very large right above him while he's
riding this bike, very very bright, and he's looked up
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and it's so bright. Now he had to stop riding
the bike because it's basically overloaded his eyes. It's blinded
to him, and he had to It was not safe
to ride a motorbike if you can't see, you're netting
off the bike going to come to a stop. So
he's done that, and then he's he's on the side
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of the road and then he's seen something that's landed
on the ground. What did he say, a couple of
hundred yards away or something from him?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, he says one hundred feet and I think that's
about thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, well thirty minutes, and it's it's about five o'clock
in the afternoon or something like that. Wasn't it a
daylight event and he's riding solo on the motorbike. Oh,
he did one thing that's one of my pet hates.
He said, he put it up on the stand and
left the motor running on the motorbike. Yeah, well that's
probably so he can make a quick escape. But I
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hate seeing idling engines, especially diesels. But that's just me.
I hate them. I'm going to turn those motors off
if you're not driving, turn them off.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes, anyway, I think I think he's wanting to. Yeah,
I think he would have done he could escape exactly. Yeah,
so he's this thing, you know, and he talks about
this very calmly, as we'll see when we continue.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a bit further our press play.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
The car that went past.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Do you think you could have seen the object from
the road.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
It's hard to say, but I doubt it unless they're
looking in that in that area, but that very much.
They may have just seen something, but going past yet
to put the road there.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
It's now i'd say we have seen it.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Whilst you were stopped. How many cars do you think
pasted you on the highway?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Well, there was only the one that went past that
I tended to stop, which I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
I hope I couldn't get to the.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Road past now, and then there may have been others
go past after that, but I was too intrigued by
the thing to notice how far off the road was
the object.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Well, it wouldn't have been much more than hundred feet.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
This was This was a grassy area, paddict area, farm area.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
It was.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
It was a paddict lookers that have been used for
grays sheep or cattlest ithing like this. There's no trees.
The nearest tree would have been about two hundred yards away.
It was just an open expense. Were there any animals
in the paddic at the tone, No, there was no animals.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
No people. Then I think this mean did.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You see any homestead from the from the area you
were at, Not from where I was, but further up
the road a bit, another two or three miles up
the road, there was a homestead on the left for
the well off. Well, what did you do after you
got off the bike? You were standing watching the object
and you saw the two figures.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, I didn't see them come out of the object.
It was quite obviously belonged to it, and we just
sort of stood there and looked at each other for
a while.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I presume they're looking at me.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I was facing in my direction, and then I took
a step towards them to see what sort of reaction
it again, and the two figures did exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Mm? Yeah, I guess it would have been fairly surprised
to his his figures. He's talking about, well, basically what
humanoid looking creatures, not animals, but the people that have
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resembled humans. I guess yeah, h.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And he's talking.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
About me doing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well I would. I would be doing exactly what he
is doing, and I would still be standing there. And
he's kind of so he's sort of in this little
Mexican standoff sort of a situation. At the moment where
he's standing, they've seen him. He didn't see them appear,
but then the next minute, there they are, two of them,
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five foot tall, clad in a in an entirely you know,
a skin tight uniform with a fishbowl type of helmet.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He's taken a step to see how they'll react. He
might have been hoping they would step back, but they
step forward. He stepped forward. They stepped forward. Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Wow, let's let's keep listening.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, you'd have to be yeah, you have to be
pretty sure of yourself to do that. I guess, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
You're right, and which were there for a while longer,
And I was wondering whether it turned out and run
or go across and see what was doing. And one
of the figures took two steps towards me, quite smiling,
and raised his hand and back on me over to him.
At this stage I panic and died back on the
bike and took off down their own.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Could you see any opening in the craft, any door.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Or passage or ladder of any sort. No, there was
nothing showing whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And how far do you think the object.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Was off the ground, that's three or four feet?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Did it stay at a constant height all the time
that you watched it?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Yes, it didn't move. It didn't hu, didn't make any noise,
didn't do anything. It just sort of have it about
the green and sa ken.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Getting back to these figures, were they? What sort of figures?
Were they? Good to describe them as as you can
remember them? Well, they are about five to five and
a half feet tall.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
I couldn't say for sure, lest I was a bit
class to say, between five and five and a half
feet tall, completely covered from neck to from neck to
feet in a sort of a silver coverall but it
was a very very tight fitting thing. There's no seams
now cruises. It almost looks like skin, including the hands
and the feet were covered in this. It's just looking
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somebody's braided in with silver paint wiles.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Did this material reflect like a silver sheet or did
it look like a silver cloth?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Silver cloth? Didn't appear to be reflective. It was a
similar to an unbuffed chrome in an appearance. It didn't
appear to be unbuff chrome, but the actual texture or
the color of it was like unbuff crome. It had
no reflective quality.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know, could you see any joints in the material
at all?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
There was nothing whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
How about the beings feet, they just had this discoverall
appear to extend over their feet the whole lot, you know. Well,
you couldn't see any shoes, well these there may have
been a sole on this. It just looked as the
thing had a zip up the back which I couldn't see,
and they stepped into it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And it's had shoes, gloves, a whole lot all in one.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
How are they build heavy slight?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Well, I'd say what we call a medium build. It
didn't appear to any excess fat on them. I presume
they've got fat, but it didn't appear. Just put it
this way, five or five foot five. This is the
way I'd like to be built.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
See the hands of these beings. Could you see that
that distance separate fingers or was it completely covered in
the silver material?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Now this I took notice of it because I had
seen I had seen the move.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
But arms, legs, and hands, and they are exactly the
same as we are in joints in the distance between joints.
I can't say about the head because it was covered
by a helmet of some description and it may have
had a transparent area in the front of it. But
the rest of the helmet and opake finish just pause
it there, very detailed description.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, well he was. When you're riding a motorcycle,
it's like you're going to war with the rest of
the road users. You have to be alert. You have
to be well awake and alert and very very observant
about everything because your survival depends on it. And so
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he's pulled over the bike and he's looking at everything,
and yeah, he's just observing what he's recalling what he saw.
Interesting that about the helmet and the type fitting almost
like it looked like it was sprayed onto them. Kind of.
That's a tight suit. Interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, it is, and it's quite a common reported type
of suit too. Throughout UFO history, particularly during that fifties
and sixties his seventies type of period. There's lots of
silver suits and helmeted occupants appearing in different crafts and
always with that skin time, almost like a second skin
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type of appearance.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, what occurred to me just in that little segment too,
was so there were any legs going down to the
ground from the object, It was just there. You know
that movie The Flight of the Navigator, That object just hovers.
There's no legs to the ground. It's just there and
you know the steps come down, but there's nothing supporting
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them either. That was Hollywood, but it was well done.
But he's describing something that's so far different to anything
we know. You know, we would have a leg with
a wheel on the end of it. You know, it
hasn't got anything. It's just sitting there, not making any sound,
and it's rock solid, just sitting there. Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now I'll playing, Yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I couldn't see into it.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Could you describe the helmet more thoroughly? The designer saying,
you know, and sort of what size it was in.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Relation to the normal.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
Head, about half as large again, perhaps about half as
large again just like a fish, just like a fish.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
And it's completely round, So.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
It came round at the base of their necks, not
to their shoulders.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
The coverall thing went to there went to neck, and
this and this helmet seemed to fit down over the
thing which was which appeared fantastic because quite obviously couldn't
drag the thing off. It wouldn't fit over their chins.
That's provoke saying that you've got the same sort of
features as what we have. And even between the helmet
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and the cover, I couldn't see any joint.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I presume it must have been, but I couldn't see him.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
This helmet was the same color as the garments that
they were wearing.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
No, it wasn't. It was a gray.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
It was more of a gray, same sort of same
sort of texture of a grays car.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Metallic.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
It's hard to say. I couldn't say it could have
been a metallic. It could have been some sort of
a plastic substance, you know how they look or something.
But it seems strange to me that I couldn't see
into the helmet being so close to it. You think
that if there had been a transparent part of the
front that I would have noticed this.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
It was the helmet the same color all over? Or
was there any difference in the shade of the helmet,
for instance, in front of where you think their eyes
would be.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
No, it appeared to be the same all over.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
There was no face plate or anything.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Over, none that I could see. But thinking about the
about the helmet, it would have been possible for a
transparent part to be in the front of it without
me seeing it from the anger we were.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Because what I.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Find so interesting about the way he describes the helmet,
it's almost like this suit is kind of like a
what's the right word. It's like it's almost it's almost
part of the body, almost, but the helmet, the helmet.
He couldn't get around how the helmet and the neck
were attached to each other. Like it's a really extraordinary
description for what I would call a uniform and not
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what you would encounter in a in our world.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Oh well, it's it's reminding me just listening to it.
It's reminding me a bit of the astronauts when they
were on the moon. They had the suits went up
to their neck, they had a large ring around that,
and they had a big helmet on top, and the
lighting was such that when they were on the moon
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you couldn't see their faces inside it. When they took
those photographs, all you got was a reflection of what
was in the environment. It was reflected, you know, So
it could be a similar effect like that. Perhaps it's
like he's he's not seeing some strange looking person looking
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at him, is he He's just seeing the arms and
legs of the body and this brown helmet and the
arm gesture was beckoning him to come over, and he's thinking,
m maybe maybe not. Yeah, he's a very good it's
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a very clear description. And this is one of the
things I like about these eyewitness cases. You know. The
skeptics will always say people are really bad at describing
things or remembering things. Memories are really terrible. This guy's
memorizing very clearly what he's seeing and giving very clear description,
and he's thought about what it was and he's tried
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to figure it out. He's an intelligent guy, you know,
he's not and you've got to give this guy some credit,
you know, He's given very clear descriptions of something he
has never countered before, and he says it looks like
it could be a plastic, it could be a mentallity
thing or a ceramic. He's not sure. It's got certain
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proper it is that he can describe, but he can't
say for sure what they are. So he's very intelligent.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, he is, he is. And that's one of the
things I really love about about this encounter is just
how he almost he's kind of almost detached from it
because he's not extremely emotional about it. He talks about
it in an extremely rational way, and I think that
there's such a high high strangeness encounter. His description of
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it is extraordinary, and I don't think I've really heard
something like it myself. There might be other examples out there,
but his description is very, very thorough.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, I'll keep.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Let's he say next, let's let's keep on. Let's let's
let's not Dilley deally.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
It's behind me showing on them.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I think it would have been possible to have just
a quick piece of glass in the front.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
I still would have sawd it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So the helmets were really reflecting more than the garments
that they were wearing.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Not reflecting so much. They seemed more absorbed light and
reflect light.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
But they had a.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
It's very hard to explain it, not a reflective quality,
but they seem to, as I said, to hold the life,
but not reflected away from them like a mirror of
high polished metal.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Do so. I mean the craft was of.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
A high polish metal and be quite obviously reflected light,
but the seats didn't. Even though they were brighter than
what they would have been in a dark room. You know,
they wouldn't have wouldn't you would have seen them in
the dark room. They still seem to somehow sort of
hold the light. We'll put it this way. I can't
I've never seen anything like it before. This is sort
of absorbing light quality. So I can't compare it with anything.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I know.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
It's very hard to find words because there isn't any right.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Did you ever see these figures from the rear? No?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Only front view? Is?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Wow, it's interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Very clear description?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah? I mean the way he talks is that you
can you can actually see what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, And he's saying that this helmet is absorbing
light rather than reflecting. That's interesting. I don't know if
we've got anything that's quite like that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No, I haven't heard that before about about a suited
occupant being described in that way, that it's absorbing light,
not shiny or reflecting it, because you often hear that
about craft themselves. Was lit up like a billboard, but
they don't cast shadow. So there's some interesting quality these
to these materials that they're being used. This is nineteen
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sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, some kind of dynamic going on there that we
don't know about. No, so this is just one year afterward,
in the next year after Westall happened.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yes, exactly. That's a really good point. Yeah, just straight after,
within the next twelve months from Westall. This is a
major closing care with occupants on the ground, so you
know people was pretty close. Yeah, and really close, Yeah, exactly,
extraordinarily close to him, you know, amazing. I'll press play
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from the.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Side, just only from the front. I'm only surmising that
though were the same as well. I didn't see them
from the side, but if I hadn't been fifteen feet
thick or something, that would.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Have showed up what distance were they from you again.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Well, whether the taking in the distance I was from
the bike and what they were from the craft, I'd
say no more than eighty feet, perhaps even seventy feet.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Did they at any time speak or shout to or
emitting any audible sound?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Now at this stage I hadn't hadn't heard a sound
either from the craft or from the two figures.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
How did you feel at the stage?
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Run Well, for some reason, and it's not in character
with myself, I was extremely frightened thinking about it. Reasonably frightened,
I mean understandable. I would have been a little bit
apprehensive or something, but not not to the point of
visually shared terror, which I felt when this when this
person beckoned me over to them, and thinking about it later,
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I wasn't aware of it at the time, but thinking
about it later, it seemed to me that there was
that the craft or the people or something in the
area was it was sort of sending sending put this
like a radio wave. Wish I couldn't feel with the
senses or touch or smell or something, but it seemed
to be radiating the sphere.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
This may have been a reason for the contact to
see what sort of a reaction just this would this
would bring about you know, but.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
This we might order a panic reaction or fear reaction.
Did this start immediately to stop the bake, before you
stop the bike? Afterwards? How did it sort of begin?
And how to build up?
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Now quite definite on this. Before the figures appeared, I
was well, firstly.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Made up my mind.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
If if I hadn't a pid, I would have gone
over the object and had to look at it, and
it wasn't too up. I looked away from the object
and looked back and saw the figures that this this
fear impulse.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, that's the that's the end of part part one.
Uh so, yeah, really really really incredible stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So this fear he's talking about, this fear impulse. You
know what that reminds me of Remember when Chase COLLETSI
came out here and she was talking about they went
out into that field where the things had been seen
flying around, and they thought there might have been somebody
hiding in the bushes, but there was this sort of
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a they noticed this really look something was generating a
feeling that they all picked up on, and it was
fear and it was like it was put upon them
so that they took took off out.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Of there.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Exactly that you have.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good analogy. That's a really,
that's a really that's a really good comparison. And I
think that he's you know, like we all say that
we'd love to stand there and you know, go up
and meet the aliens. But it's not necessarily going to
happen that way.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Yeah, or if it has, they may generate as a
safety mechanism, something to make you turn tail and run,
make you frightened. M.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And it's almost like a vibe, a fear machine, a
vibe you feel fear, you go, you get out of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There, absolutely, And it's almost like there's this it's almost
like it's an experiment between him and them as well,
Like there's this there's this sort of like you they
take it, takes it, they take a step, gets raised up, beckoning,
and it's just it's just really sort of interaction that occurred. M.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So I'll start, yeah, let's have to listen to the
next But what's you going to say, now.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, let's let's have it. Let's have a.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Listen, Let's go back a little minute. I apparently haven't
got this quite straight. When you first saw the object
on the ground, there were no figures.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
No, there were no figures when I first saw it,
and as I said, before I looked away, I was
going to try and wave.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
The car down.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
It went past it fast, my putting it up on
the road quick enough. I doubt if you would have
stopped anyway, being a motorcycles and all the rest. But
it wasn't until I looked back to the craft the
second time that the figures were there. I didn't see
them get out of the craft. I'm only surmising they
belong to it.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
We say, quite obviously, you just buy their dress. But
I didn't see them leave the craft.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I just looked back and there they were, standing in
front of the thing, facing that far away.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
From the craft? Were they when you first saw them?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
About ten fally in front of it?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And this fear reaction sat at that stage.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Well, it's hard to say exactly when it started, but
I became aware of it after i'd taken this step.
I didn't become aware of it then, but thinking back
on it now, I realized when it first hit me
it was after I'd taken the step towards the figures
and they've done the same, and they copied the action.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You I took the initiative first. You were the first
one to move.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Well, at this stage, I was just purely curious when
I first saw the thing that I heard a little
bit about flying sources that hadn't taken any interest in them.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
And my immediate reaction when I first saw it was, well,
there's a flying sources.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Now we know they exist, and I wonder what it's
doing there, and will I go over and have a
look at it.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
But it was just purely curiosity.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As I said, if this fear reaction hadn't set in
after these figures appeared, I would have definitely gone over
to the to the source or the disco, whatever you
want to call it, and I had to look at it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Have you ever felt this sort of fear or panic
before or in any other situation? No?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Never, Well, just just for instance, I've been racing bikes
for a few years and feel filled or panic.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
You'll fill in the race track.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
This was unreasonable, so you couldn't you couldn't fight against it.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
No, it was completely out of character. It was just
like an animal instinct. All I wanted to do was
hop on the bike and run away, you know, which.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is so isn't that easy? That's exactly That's the exact reaction,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Well, also he said something else there was quite interesting.
He said he races motorbikes, so he's he's you know,
he knows what he's doing with his bike, he knows
how to ride, is a very very proficient motorcyclist. He's
races motorcyclists. Well, if you're racing a motorbike, you are
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so alert. When you're going even faster, you're looking at
everything around you at very rapid speed. You have to survive.
And this thing isn't moving or doing anything, and he's
just standing there. He's taking one step and all of
a sudden he's got this great feeling of fear that's
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overcome him, and he just wants to jump on the
bike and get out of there. It's just very interesting.
And the only other UFO encounter I've heard of where
anybody has said that this fear ran through the people
was was that when I mentioned before, when Chase said
that that happened to them. Yeah, really really very interesting.
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A lot of these things don't get into the reports.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Do they They don't know that you're not going to
read online when you when you pay to a web
to a web page for a snapshot of this particular case,
you're not going to you're not going to get that.
This is what the interviews will give you.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, okay, we'll keep.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Away.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, yes, you know it was possessed by it. That
was completely unreasonable.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Let's go back again to the what we were talking about.
A moment ago. You took a step towards the figures
and the object. What did they do?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, we faced each other for a minute or so,
and I was still curious at this stage, and I
took a step towards them to see what they do.
And then they took the same step towards me. After
I had taken the step, they both took a step
towards me, and then we just stood a sort of
a star.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Mate again for a while.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
And then after being in this position for a while,
it's supposed a minute of it or so, it could
have just been five seconds, it's hard to say, but
then one of the other figures took a couple of
steps towards me and beckoned me over. And it was
at this stage it's just absolute sheer panic hit me.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's when the sheer panic hit him.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
M I wonder if that's that looked. That could either
be explained by being a psychological reaction that suddenly came
to him that up, I could be in danger here,
or it could be that they've got a kind of
method of making you keep your distance, I make you
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have this fear. Maybe it is just a natural fear reaction.
Maybe absolute. Look, I'm not I'm not a qualified psychologist.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I studied psychology, but I I dropped out of UNI.
I didn't finish mycause. But so I can't really say definitely,
you know, it was this psychological reaction. I think if
I was there, it would be a psychological reaction. I
hope you're getting out of there, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, absolutely? And listening to out No exactly right, And
listening to Ron, he doesn't seem like a sort of
guy who scares easily either. So listening to the way
that he talks, he doesn't strike me as he's a
motorcycle racer. He worked in the hotel industry at the time,
and he doesn't strike me as someone who would be
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easily scared.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well, if he's racing motorcycles, is either insane or very
very very good nerves.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Very good nerves exactly let's continue.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Could you describe thoroughly exactly what the object looked like
at the stage?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yes, it was well, so to use a description which.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Has been used before, it's the same as one source
of punk on top of the other.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
It had a dome affair on the.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Top of it, which would have the object would have
been about twenty five to thirty feet across. This is
at its widest point, the dame on the top or cabin, whichever.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You like to call it, Brian, we'll call it the cabin.
It would have been about.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
The base of it would have been about a third
the width of the object, and it would have been
about seven or eight feet high, I think. And then
on the top of this cabin there was a flat
spot about eight inches two feet across it sort of
tape it up from the from the main hull of
the thing. And then on this flat section on the
top there was sort of a little bubble about a
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foot across those face about a foot high or something.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Was this raised portion on the disc the same color
as the disk itself.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It wasn't.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
At the top of the disc was a very very
bright polish metal the same as chromium. Now the bottom
of the disc was Now the top and the bottom
were divided by what appeared if you could imagine a
metal band about four or six inches wide, which quite
quite a dark gray, disappeared to go right around the object,
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and it was well, if to the ground, it was
vertical if you're following, if you understand the description. So
it had a flat edge, Yeah, it had a flat edge. Now,
the base of the thing was it was either a
brown or a black, a very dark brown or a
very dark gray or black, and protruding from the bottom
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of the thing there was there was well, it was
the same diameter as the cabin, directly below the cabin,
and it was about eighteen inches.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Two feet from the hull at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Do you think the bottom of the object was brown
or reflecting the ground.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
No, it was definitely the color of the thing because
it was grass around there.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It was green grass.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Yeah, the bottom didn't appear to have any reflective quality
or this thing protruding from the bottom of it. It
was a very very dark and definite blake that stood
out from the rest of the thing, Now, the cabin
of the thing, it was also silver. If you could
imagine the top section of the source it from the
widest point was chrome. And they'd only buffed the actual
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hull itself and not buffed the cabin.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
This is the appearance of it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
The little bubble on the top of the dome was
this it's the same color as the dome.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And none of the object appeared to be transparent.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
To now there's no transparency whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And on the hull itself, this is on the brightly
polished part of the hull on the right hand side,
there was the start of well, I'd say it would
be some sort of insignia that appeared to be painted
into the hole, but I could only see the beginning
of it because of the curvature of the hull. It
couldn't make out what it was, or I couldn't reproduce them.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Did the object remain completely steady during the time that
you watched it or did it isolate slightly?
Speaker 7 (41:34):
No, it just stayed there. There's no rock steady, there's
no movement whatsoever, and no noise.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
After I took off on the bike, well, I think
I was to get away from the thing, and then
when I went away from it, all the panics soon
to subside, and I started thinking rationally again. And at
this stage I was doing well over one hundred miles hour.
My boat's capable of just one hundred and thirty mile
the how and it was doing this at this stage.
Now I heard a hum which I hadn't heard from
the thing before. And considering I was doing well over
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one hundred mile hour with a crash at, engine noise,
exhaust noise plus the wind gown through my crash out
one hundred and thirty mile an hour one hundred and
twenty mile hour every I was doing it at the time,
it must have been quite loud for me to hear it,
so I straightaway knew what it was. Don't asked me out,
And I just knew what it was because I never
heard a hume like this before. And I had a
quick look around, and sure enough it was.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
It was airborne. Now it was.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
About about two hundred feet away from me. It's in
my left and about one hundred feet off the ground,
and it was following following me. When I say following me,
as I go around a corner, it had come around
with me. It was keeping the same distance from regardless
of how fast or how slow I went, And as
I followed the raid at this stage it was a
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pinkish color. The whole craft seemed to be surrounded by
some sort of a pinkish film. Although I could see
it clearly, it had a pinkish appearance about it. To say,
the air was hot around it, something like this. It
was the air around the old ject pinkish too, or
just the object? Well, at first I thought it was
the object, but after looking at it for a while,
I think it was actually away from the object. It
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could have just been the surround the edit surround the
object itself which had this color to Was.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
It raining at the stage of the sting or was
it still clear.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Now that sun was still out was reflecting off the object, so.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
You could see this pink glow around the object and
also the sun.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Reflecting from it off of the top of the top
part of it.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
How far away from me was the object of the
stage whilst it was in flight.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
It kept the exact same distance all the time. I'd say, well,
I'm a reasonable good judge at distance.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I've had no train, I'm reasonably good judge from racing bikes,
mainly from breaking for corns and things, and I'd say
that would have kept a constant two hundred feet from
me in a straight line and about one hundred feet
off the ground.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
But this very because of the terraine.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Was this flat terrain there or hilly.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
It's reasonably flat that you get the usual ups and
down stitute in any cape area.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Did the object at this stage have exactly the same
look as it did when it was on the ground
starring the color?
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Yes, the lower portion was still.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Recruiting from the bottom of the disc, the base was
still there, and it was still get playing.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Anyway, I realized that the thing was quite obviously following me,
and that I was going as fast as it was
possible for me to go, and I couldn't get away
from it. So I started slowing down, looking for somewhere
to go, like a three to hide under a rabbit
barry to dive into, or a house or something. And
I eventually stopped, and the object stopped, with me still
keeping the same distance away from him. I molast resigned
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myself to the fact that it was after me and
there's nothing I could do to get away from him,
and so I just sort of sat on the bike
and the matter is still taking over. Stop when arms started,
and watched it to see what it was going to do,
you see, I expected.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
It to come back, of course, instead of coming.
Speaker 7 (44:53):
Back, it sort of sat there for about about thirty
seconds or say, with nothing happening, and it began to
change color, a gradual change from a pink and it
got to a very very bright and deep red.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
It finished up.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
It went right through the whole red spectrum until it
was quite hard to look at. That could hurt the
eyes to look at this, it was so bright. And
then it till that its base actually till at the
top of the of the disk away from it. We've
got a forty five degree angle, so I could see
the base. And the funny part was, I though this
thing was so bright, the black area in the bottom
of it remained black all the time. It stood out
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very distinctly, you know. And then all of a sudden,
without any noise whatsoever, I could still hear the hum
at the stage, but when it stopped, it appeared to
just about go away, because as we slow down together
and the hum soon to remain constantly. Now I was
slowing down, and so I presume that the faster the
thing's going louder at hums.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
This is only my.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
Then till of the base away from me, after it
reached his very bright red and all of a sudden
it ex an absolutely fantastic rate where it left at
a fantastic split.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
It didn't accelerate. It was one minute it was stopped.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
The next minute it was doing something like two or
three thousand miles an house away from me and up
at a full degree angle, and there was still no
noise whatsoever. The hum stop as soon as the things
started moving, and it just went. But there was no
acceleration I could expect with a.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Plane or something.
Speaker 7 (46:16):
It starts from naught and its starting accelerated. It was
top speed just one minute this thing was stopped. The
next thing it was doing two or three thousand miles.
And now this is only a guest because I'm no
expert on the SPA from it, but it was going
way faster than planes I've seen which had broken the
sound barrier. And there was still no nois there's no
sonic murm, there's nothing to dispanish. If it had gone
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a fraction past I would have just thought it disappeared.
I could make out that it went out, but only
just happened so fast.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
At this stage, just before it left you, was the
bottom still a brownish color as it was on the ground.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
The whole thing was bright red, barring the section in
the the part at the bottom itself, this is the
thing that was protruding from the bottom of it, This
was still black.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
The rest of the thing was a very very broad.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Casting your mind back to when you were driving along
prior to stopping near the object, was there any noise
that that stage associated with it?
Speaker 7 (47:11):
None that I can remember. There could have possibly been
at the time, but with a bright light, I wasn't
really thinking about noise to be caught on us.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
And later, when the object was in flight, did it
ever exhibit the same characteristic as earlier in the sighting
and shine a bright light anywhere around? Nah?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
There was barring that the light coming from the object,
which was, as I said, a reddish color. There was
no other light whatsoever, nothing like what hit means.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Whilst you were traveling along the road you left the object,
did you pass any cars or did any cars pass
you going in the opposite direction? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (47:45):
A couple of cars came the other way, and I
waved like Madden pointed. It was the thing.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
This is after the objects reappeared. Before it reappeared, I
wasn't worrying about stopping anybody. But when it reappeared, I
waved like mad and all sorts of things, and I
got some funny looks, and that's about all I got.
Nobody stopped and nobody appeared to the object.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
What do you think the total tone duration of the
sighting was from the first moment that you saw it
until it finally left.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
This is hard to say, but I'd say roughly about
five minutes. There could have been three minutes, and it
could have been ten minutes. But you know, I wasn't
looking at any watchers.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Have you reported this to the Air Force or any
investigative bodies such as the local police.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
I didn't report it to anybody else, right in a ridicule.
It quite just thought fird laugh at me. It was
only feel very about means that I reput it to Pegs.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
When you first stopped and observed the object closely, wouldn't
it have been a more normal reaction. I think this
was some sort of Air Force secret weapon. And these
were Air Force been dressed up in a type of spacesuit.
Speaker 7 (48:48):
Sorry, but the Air Force has got nothing that looks
like that or did but that this face that made
no noise. It was hovering off the ground and I've
never seen it in shape like that before. It didn't
come from here.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
You were positive when you first saw the object.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
As soon as I said I said, well there's a
flying source in there. You know they exist. I'd sort
of in a bit skeptical before it hadn't taken any
notice of it. But after saying this signy exist, all right.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Had you ever read anything previous to the siding on
lying sources or barring a couple of newspaper headlines in
Sydney when they had the source and their things.
Speaker 7 (49:18):
I think it was somewhere around Liverpool. Now they haven't
takeny interesting. I just sort of I haven't haven't laughed
at them, but I haven't taken any active interest in
and whatsoever Red Nooe books or anything.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And I know we we sort of let that play
for a fair while, but we will get this, yeah,
well we will get all listen to one episode.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
So I liked how he described that at first when
it was flying around him. It was sort of the
air around the object when kind of a pink color.
That that's pretty interesting. I think there have been a
few cases that sounds to me like the air was
ionized or something like that. You know, it could very
(49:59):
well be affected by a very high electighly charged electronic
or electric field around the object. You know, then that
would describe a changing color. And there are other people
that have said things like that, like at the Westall
case when Paul Smith said that the thing he saw
(50:21):
changed its color, it went through different colors, and it
was like it's in city or it's its density changed,
he thought, because it went through trees without affecting the
trees at all, but it had it could change his density. Now,
it's interesting. He says that he heard this humming noise
while he was riding the bike, but he turned around.
(50:45):
He's going over one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
I turned to.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Look at the thing. That's a bit risky, you know.
He must have been a very experienced motorcycle racing rider
to be able to turn at one hundred miles an
hour and not come off. Yes, exactly, Glad he didn't
come off, you know, but he's seen this, Yeah, he's
(51:11):
he said, it's gone an intense red color the whole
object except for this black ring at the bottom of it.
That for a for a physicist, that could be very
interesting information for any scientists listening to the show, any
physicists with an interest in the subject. They won't be
(51:32):
talking to their friends about it, but they may have
an interest in This kind of eyewitness description can give
us a lot of clues, I reckon, a lot of
clues about the physical reality of these things.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Absolutely, it's a very very good report of what happened.
Here is Ron's actual drawing. This has not been seen,
if at all, many many So that's his actual actual
picture of what he saw. And you can see that
monogram that he said was just out of sight for him. Yeah, yeah,
that all very much matches up to what he actually
(52:07):
said and when it was over him, when it was
flying above him, this is what he This is what
he saw looking up at.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
It from below. Yeah, right, that other side of that
other skit, that first one there, you can see it's
got that band around the middle, and it's a sorcer
on top of the other's lawser and the black thing
is the thing at the bottom the same size as
the kind of dome bit on top. It's really very
very interesting and it's very light, very similar to the
(52:37):
thing described by the Westall Witnesses.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yes, yes, I haven't seen this sketch before. No, this
is a really good sketch. It's an amazing illustration. It's
a great sketch. Yeah, and this is his signature when
he signed off on his pro former that he'd done
four view four. That's that's his signature. So really amazing.
(53:01):
And this I want this out to be the approximate
location of where it occurred, ten miles outside of Aubury,
as near as I can find it. This is the
area where he had the encounter, just so people get
a bit of an idea on what that area highway
actually actually looked like.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Well, like you said, it was pretty flat, but just
the usual up its ups and downs did you get
as you go across the country. Yeah, exactly, So again
again a very good description of the area.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, yeah, really fantastic. So thank you very much George
for joining me on this episode. And I hope that
everybody's found it really intriguing as much as you and
I have.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
It's a very good case, very very good case, and
a very good description. Yeah, it's been fun doing it, Ben,
it's been good.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Thank you so much. And we'll get together again at
some point and perhaps discuss another case down the track.
So it's really good and listen we've got Yeah, we
really do hope that you enjoyed that show. Fascinating case.
By all means, try and find some more information on it,
but this really is probably the most detailed that you'll
ever find that on this particular very intriguing case here
(54:14):
on unexplained phenomen in Australia. So until next week, thank
you so much for joining us.
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