October 10, 2025 • 57 mins
66 year old businessman Steve Aspin lives in Lincolnshire. You won't have heard his name - before now. Steve says he has been a contactee/abductee all his life. And he decided to do something about it. Steve tracked down and got to know some of the luminaries in this field - including Budd Hopkins and Dr David Jacobs. Now , in 2022, Steve has decided to publish the full story of his unusual encounters in his book "Out Of Time"...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now I'm gonna I'm well, I'm on the ride of
a real mine and welcome to the Naked Truth and
now your host, Bridget bar Class.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Good evening, America and a very good early morning here
in England. And today we're going to be talking with
a Steve Aspen. So I'm going to give you a
bit of background on Steve. Steve Aspen has worked in
a professional background of marketing, sales and business management for
over thirty five years in the field of surgery and
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medical diagnosis. Now that will be that will bring good
grounds for further on in his book and Out of Times,
his first published book on the subject and abduction research.
Following a lifetime of within this phenomena research for this book,
Steve has spent fifteen years traveling around the world to
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meet the leading researchers in this field and discuss their
findings with him face to face. He's also met many
abductees from all walks of life and experiences reported by
these people that are woven discreetly into this book's narrative structure.
This is Out of Time. I have been reading Out
of Time. It's really descriptive, it's informative from various different
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levels and actually are speaking to Steve earlier and he
said a really really good term, it's a helicopter's view
as like a helicopter's viewpoint, and it really truly is.
It's really really lovely to read such a descriptive journey
into someone's life, looking into their own life and the
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researchers that are helping us all. Steve Aspen, are you
there please? Hello? How are you? We've had a few
technical issues, haven't we. We've had a few technical issues
over the last couple of weeks, but we are actually
here now, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Completely last week, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh it was completely gone last week for like seven days,
so you can imagine how bond because it was in
this house with a gamer, various things. It was just crazy.
So Out of Time is your first published book on
this research and sorry, with research onto this phenomena. Now,
like I said, I have read parts of this book.
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This is going to be our part one because we
cannot just do this your book give it credit in
this so we don't know how many parts we're going
to do. And we're both going to talk about the
viewpoint from an experience. Well, first of all, you're starting,
how you first had these experiences, what you think about
the experiences as growing up as a child looking back,
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because it's very descriptive. I really loved it. I felt
like I was in the room with you on your descriptions,
and it was really good and it brought up a
lot of things for me as well, which is always
good for the viewer and taking notes on the side.
That's the whole point why we read books so we
can be familiar with other people's accounts because they're similar
to ours. So Steve, talk to us about yourself at
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the very beginning of all of this, please, Okay, I.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Have I had a very young child what I now
know were abduction experiences linked to the alien abduction phenomenon,
which is in fact a program. Because when I was
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about ten years old, I asked one of these abductors,
why am I singled out for this? Because you can
they talked to you telepathically in your head, and you
hear the voice inside your head, but there's nothing, no
sound in the air in the year ears. It's total telepathy.
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Anybody who's experienced it, any abductees who's experienced it, knows
exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, because you actually quoted it in the book, didn't
you said, so.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I asked him, because it's a male one, because they
do have gender, some of them are female, but they
look exactly the same. There's no physical out of difference.
I asked him, why me, what's so special about me?
Because I was pretty certain my school friends didn't go
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through this, and it was something that nobody ever mentioned,
and it was quite a major thing in my life,
you know, every few weeks going through this nighttime experience
in which I was paralyzed, and I could have these
creatures around me, I could smell them, and that there's
I was completely I knew I was awake. Wasn't like
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a dream because I felt myself moving, moving through the
window and so forth. And he said, oh, it's because
of your mother and your grandmother and your great grandmother
and your next And this piece of information I retained
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for until my I was about very late forties. I
was actually years old when I eventually worked out what
this thing was and what the what the cultural paradigm was,
what researchers called it, what researches but I had no idea,
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and this thing always always knew. My mother said to
me a number of times when I was a child,
right up until young adulthood. She said, Steve, there's something
in this family that happens to me, and you're involved
in it too, but nobody else is involved in it
just as too. And my mother, she said, that will
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be my grandma.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's quite a statement. And you're something quite bold like
that from your mother, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, she had. She interpreted everything as as something spiritual,
and she was a spiritualist, and she later became a
spiritual either. And she had a very strong intuitive and
clairvolent faculties and always played around with crystal balls and
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went to see mediums and so forth. So that was
the paradigm she lived in. This is there's a lot
of crossovers between interest in the occult and mysticism and
advertees for a whole list of reasons that that would
take you know, and now as program, just just to
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one thing about the abduction program is when it happens
to you. If you don't have a visual sighting of
an unidentified flying object or you know, some sort of craft,
you're in this interiors, you're in the you're taken and
you have usually surrounded by blue lights and you're a
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bit dizzy, and you are taken to an interior which
has tables like operating tables, really simple, more like them
ald into the floor, and there's other people there sometimes
and there's these other abductees. But you have no idea
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that has anything to do with unidentified flying objects or
flying sources or anything that. If you don't actually see
the exterior, you don't know where the hell you are
and you have nothing to put it on. So most
people who have these experiences during the twentieth century, throughout
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the twentieth century, thought cloaked it in a paradigm of
it's it's folklore. It's something to do with the ancestry.
It's to do with those kind of things you know,
or it's to do with your your ancestral line, and
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it is to do with the fairies or something like that.
They don't they never equate. They never linked it to
the UFO phenomenon, which only really became publicly at knowledge
in the mid to late nineteen forties. You know that
the famous citing of a Mount Rainey in Washington State,
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and a lot of these objects were seen in North America,
but Allied pilots, both British and American pilots and also
German pilots saw food what they were Allied pilots used
to refer to as food fighters in the Second World
War as early as nineteen forty two, and they always
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thought that these bright orbs flying around and chasing them
were the enemies technology. Yes, they had no other paradigm
to put it on because there was no space travel
until nineteen sixty. Yeah, there was science fiction about space trouble,
but people, you know, a hard had Air Force people
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never really connected those sightings with anything except the enemy's technology,
you know. So they've always been seen, they've always been around,
but it was only in the nineteen forties that the
UFO that unidentified flying objects you know, became a thing
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in the public domain. They got reported on television, they
called reported in the newspapers, the magazine articles about them.
Everybody was talking about them. They started making films featuring
staped spaceships like the Day They Are Stood Still in
nineteen Space series in the nineteen sixty all the craft
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was source of shaped and nothing we made to this
day looks like that. You know. We had the pomp,
the Mercury program, the Apollo program, the Gemini program, the
Space Shuttle program. Nothing we make that astronauts fly around
in looks remotely like.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
When you when you see a massive craft in the sky,
very very close to you, you think, why the hell
is something of that weight that should you know, that
solid silver, metallic, you know that weight, It shouldn't be
actually in the sky. Let lost some fuelage come from it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The thousands of people studying the technology, some we believe
have their hands on the technology. Yeah, incredible reports. But
I had no idea that it was anything to do
with that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Okay, So when you're in the craft, when you're in
the craft then and you are, you know, speaking with
telepathy with the beings, is there? You know. Obviously everyone's
got various different degrees of what they remember or don't remember.
Sometimes that can be totally taken out of the equation.
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As we know, you don't remember absolutely everything. You just
wake up with mark in which we have some amazing
marks to show you shortly and it's descriptive in the book.
So with the paranormal point of view, you're talking about
the fairies. Well, I read your the first few parts
of the of your book about the fairies. Now, my
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one was about fairies when I was very young. That
was my second encounter. Never looked into that under hypnosis.
Funny enough, I wonder really if the cryptozoology, because obviously
with Bigfoot, they you know, they realize it's inter dimensional.
They haven't really gone into back to back down that
road again with the fairies. You know, it's like, hang on,
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all of these people in folklore are seeing these these fairies.
No one's really think looked into it and go, well,
actually they were you know, could have been you know, beings.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think there have been. It hasn't that the fairy
phenomena would link directly bolted onto the UFO issue by
Jacques Valet in nineteen sixty nine Passport to Magonia, and
we kind of stuck by that for a long time,
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so he attempted to link them together. But the abduction
phenomenon is unique because it affects you psychologically in so
many ways physically as well, because abductees arrived back as
children and as young adults and as older adults with
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these scars on their bodies which they or other members
of their family discover, and some of them are quite
disfiguring temporarily. I don't know whether you've got any images
of those we can show.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So first of all, we're going to show Steve's images.
But what age did you find those, Steve?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Oh, these are in my thirties and forties, fifties as well,
the ones that I photographed, because prior to them that
you don't really that's that was on the right shoulder. Okay,
story behind this one was it happened on our August
Bank Holiday two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Scoop mark we call that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, it's spotted by the woman who is now my wife.
At the time, she was just you know, well and
not none of that long, but she spotted it when
I got out of shower, and she looked at and exclaimed,
that thing on your shoulder, Steve, it's one of those
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scoop marks. I've seen that those pictures of those in
books about aliens, in books about alien abduction, and you've
got one on your shoulder.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, because obviously that's at a point where you can't
really turn around and see it. At that point, you
wouldn't have been aware of it or anything.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Very few of us can see the back of our shoulder.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Without yeah, right, yeah, right, because in the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But the story behind it, very briefly, is that I
photographed it or she photographed it with her phone or
with a camera. I don't remember well in two thousand
and eight what we used, but probably a phone. But
I'd met a UFO conference at that time, I'd met
Peter Robbins, and she no knew people like Stephen Bassett,
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and she'd actually been introduced to David Jacobs, which Stephen
had introduced her to him. So we sent the photographs
to all the various people to ask what they thought
and was this far part of the pattern? And the
amazing thing was Bick Hopkins at that time was in
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his Yeah, he died in twenty eleven at eighty, so
were seventy six. In summer two thousand and eight, Breakthrough Films,
a Manhattan film company like kind of Sundance like independent
film company, was making a film about him and his
life and work, and about his partner, Leslie Kane, who
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was living with bud Or. She actually had an apartment
just around the corner in the next street, and was
writing a book called UFO's General's Pilots and Government Officials
Gone on the record, which wasn't published at that time,
but she was working on this and interviewing all these
people and going to Europe and South America to interview
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their airline pilots and government officials and have you. So
they were making a film about the work that these
two people were engaged in, and one thing they wanted
was a couple of fresh scoop mark scars that had
never been looked at or analyzed by anybody, in other words,
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fresh cases. And this just coincided with me sending these
photos that found their way into Bud Hopkins's hands. Peter Robins.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Great synchronicity.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, and just phone me up in hertfordsure house one
evening and asked me if I go to Manhattan and
stay at his place, And he said, a film company
wants to interview you on camera and wants to biopsy
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that scoop mark scar. Would you agree to that?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And I said, because when you said that when we spoke,
I had never even thought about having a biopsy of
my scoop. Most people, no, would never have thought about it.
So talk about that, and then we're going to show
your other other mark as well. Okay, that's your other mark. Yeah,
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on your arm.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I have a lot of over the years that they're
triangular or sometimes four points, but they're they're clearly needle
points like incisions. Is that if you've if you've been
in jet store, had blood taken from the medical practice
or something, that's exactly what they would look like. And
they heal in the same time. Okay, they healing about whek,
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they completely disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But there and then we have another one raced away.
We have these other one. Now, yeah, that's that's quite
that's a burn, that's a that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Sometimes abductees find these around their lower legs and very
occasionally around their wrists lower arms. And what happens is
during an abduction event, the abductee is restrained by these
kind of structures like manacles, like straps, that the table
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that they're laid on is tilted from horizontal to vertical
so that they can be scanned with a device that
they're using that they mix light in different colors. I
don't know what. I have no idea what they what
they're what it's doing, because they don't explain that to you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean, have they even kept it n have they.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Maybe is measuring something diagnostic in the internal organs or
who knows what it's doing. But they want you to
remain upright because there's gravity where you are, more Earth gravity,
and they are near as you know, we can recognize it.
And they don't want you to move or be moved,
or they don't want you to fall over, so they
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restrain you on these straps. And sometimes adplacies really struggle
because they don't like what they it's being done with
that you can't move very much because a lot of
the neurological systems neutralized by it by the ante.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Did I read in your book there was a part
that said that they were gliding as well, that you
were gliding off the floor.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, I think that's in another book, someone else's book.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, well remember all right, okay, right, so people, that's mine. Now,
that's my scoop mark. Now that's on the top of
my thigh. So if you put your hand down directly
to the side of you, that's on my right side.
It's my scoop market measures about three centimeters long by
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half a centimeter sort of like deep. And then I've
got another one that you've got their race that so
that appeared on my above to the side of my
belly button. Two years ago, prior to a very another
experience in the house. I woke up to that one,
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had a shower, went in to go and get changed,
and then as dressing. Now, if you can, you can
zoom in on that. I mean, race hasn't but if
you zoom in on it, it has three very distinctive
pinpoints on it. And it didn't burn me. There's no
there's no there's no abrasion on the top of it,
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which is really quite strange. It didn't it. Mine didn't scab,
I didn't didn't see it just stayed. It stayed pink
and then it faded. But you the bottom one, it
looks like it's all one. It isn't. If you if
we could have zoomed in, there's there's three. But you know,
I've never shown anyone that one. But I thought that
that happened two years ago, and then I had a
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really big yeah, I hadn't. Yeah, but there was a
lot of activity that year because there's a lot of
things going on in that house that obviously they weren't
happy with. But that's another story. Okay, So continue Steve.
So you know we talked.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
About the word on the scoop marks for a moment,
I'd go into I've been I've got some wind favor
really well. And we were talking about this when he
was here a few weeks ago, staying here, and we
think he thinks, and I think that there's certain things
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that they implant and you little little devices, tiny little
nano devices, and that they either in the nasal pharynx
up here or else in the ears, or very occasionally
inside the head behind the eye socket, or sometimes in
other parts of the body. Terry Lovelace had a large
implant in his leg which he's got X rays of
which they put in and then when a surgeon threatened
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to remove it and made an appointment to remove it,
the abducts is abducted him again. They took it out,
but he has photographs of that. So they do put
implants into all places. One of the characteristics these implants
always have is if you get a little splinter or
something into your skin, like if you get if you're
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chopping wood is something you get a little splinter. What
happens is it recognizes it as a foreign body and
the immune system responds and you get inflammation. Sometimes plus
forming that's sow and tender and red naturally. Yeah, these
implants are right in the body under the skin. There's
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never any inflammatory response whatsoever, no normal immune system infama
inflammatory response. And we think that the reason they don't
the body doesn't respond to that in an inflammatory way
is that the devices have their shells woven from these
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these genetic material that they take from you and these
little scoop marks, and whether they clone it or use
a kind of PCR or very advanced technology, that's where
they substance comes from. The DNA. The DNA signature is
from these so when they, if they were weave the
shells out this out of your own body, basically your
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own body tissue, your own DNA. When they're put into
your body, your body doesn't react to it because it
sees it as its own. The immune system never reacts.
So that's what we think. The scoop marks tissue is used.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
For clever little bastard. Clever little bastard. And actually there's
a Ladien book about little Bastard.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I've now the book is written. I started writing a
book in about twenty ten. First, the first part of
was my own experiences, my own things, that happened to
me that were really undeniable.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I was, would you like to talk about one of them?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, one when I was sixteen in nineteen seventy two,
I was very compelled to get up early on a
Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I read this morning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Every week I didn't work, as I had a summer job.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I love the fact that you used to work for
a rose garden. Just lead into it from that way,
because that's just absolutely that is tipical English. We can
listen to an English story now, please, because part of it,
which is so interesting, grew thousands and thousands and thousands
and thousands of.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Rose trees and every conceivable color and shade and variation.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
For a summers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And the only day I didn't work was Saturday morning,
so I used to sleep in. But I was compelled
on the twentieth Thursday, the twentieth of July nineteen seventy two,
to get up very early on that Saturday morning because
I was supposed to go somewhere, and I had a
very strong compulsion. And you know, sometimes you work on
intuition and you just do things. And I went to
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a site where new houses were being built about ten
or fifteen minutes walk from our house is a suburban,
suburban part of Cheshire Fair area as it happens, But
these new houses were being built maybe a mile away
from anything else. It was a new development, so there's
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nobody around. And as I arrived.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Very early, very early in.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The morning, five o'clock in the morning. As I arrived
there about quarter six, I remember thinking, okay, now, what now,
what are you going to do? Which is a weird
thing to think. And suddenly when I came to something happened,
and I came to consciousness again, and I was surrounded
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by blue light, pulsating blue light in the blue and
indigo park of the spectrum, slightly different shades pulsating through
the air, and sound like a washing sound in my ears.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You were in a builder, weren't you? Hm, you were
in a building, weren't Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Was in a part built house, that's correct.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
No door window it was early morning six.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No window frames, but the brickwork was there and the
roof timbers, and it was a warm summer's day on
the Saturday, the twenty second of July, and all these
washing sounds, and I could hear somebody in my head
or I've had the feeling was behind me, and it
was speaking in my head, say you're not going to
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remember anything about this, And it was like a description
of what was going to happen. It wasn't an instruction
or a command. It was just a description to like,
chat with me. You know, you're not going to remember anything.
Don't worry about it. It's that kind of attitude. And
among the with the blue flashing lights and the washing,
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I looked through the window aperture, which where there was
no glass at the time because it's the powersl unfinished,
and about thirty meters away, at about a thirty degree
elevation from the ground, was a flying saucer in full
view and it was slowly moving to the left from
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left to right in my vision, and it was slightly
at an angle like this, moving along, and it was
like it was like, if I had to describe it
was like it was in I describe it like it
was out. It looked like it was out of time,
and it was in a kind of bubble, but you
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could see it really clearly, but it was it was
in a kind of bubble of its own, you know.
So it was right there, but somehow it didn't belong
in the same space time continuum somehow, but it was
there nevertheless, but it wasn't. It's almost impossible to describe.
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And just a few seconds later, bang, everything stopped, and
the UFO was gone, and the wash the blue flash
flashing lights were gone, and the washing sounds were gone,
and the creature person who had been standing behind me
was gone. And I just I just stood there in
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this empty house, in the in the and I looked
at my wall.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I mean, the creature in your the voice in your
head had gone. There wasn't being there, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, Now there might have been somebody standing me, but
I don't remember seeing it. The I looked at my
watch and the strap was loose. That people used to
wear rist wristwatches in those days because there was no
cell phones until the nineteen nineties, to speak on the
nineteen eighties and.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Away good old cell cell coo.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And people wore wristwatches to tell the time. And I
had a wristwatch on and it's it was on my wrist.
It was slack. The strap was fastened, but it wasn't
fastened properly, and it was okay, I knew it wasn't
like that when I left home. But I looked at
the time and it was five past eight, and what
seemed like a second earlier, it was five point forty five,
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so twenty twenty minutes just gone have disappeared. And I
started walking home, thinking what a weird experience this had been,
What the hell was this all about? And as I walked,
I could feel of my left cheek. I could feel
it was wet and kind of warm, and I put
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my fingers up on it and it was wet in
it was weeping. And when I got home, I looked
in the bathroom mirror and it was a There was
a completely circular burn the size of a large coin.
I don't know any British people of a certain age
will remember, you know the two of the large single
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old penny, all of the two shilling piece, you know that.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
All the house park crown. So I remember half half pay,
the half.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Pay coins nowadays, if people use them at all. I'm
very much smaller and lighter, but this was a burn
about that size, and.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It was you're a skull as well at the age
of eleven, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I know I was sixteen sixteen, sorry, yeah, And
I it took about three or four months, maybe three
months to heal, and it scabbed over and it was
very flaky, and if Evn she disappeared and I So
I had this memory of this compulsion to go to
this place for five o'clock in the morning on my
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day off. I didn't normally get up till ten.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And he used to cycle to work as well. Let's
just put that in.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, I did. I cycle on a French road racing
bike that's really fit. And so I had this compulsion
to get to this place. And something that's very different, strange,
missing time for two and a half hours we're is gone,
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and a memory of seeing a really vivid memory seeing
something looked like a flying saucer from a science fiction
magazine in the sky right in front of me.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's where I remember the age of eleven. You were
eleven when you brought the magazine from the news from
the newsagents. That's where I remember the eleven story.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But and this thing aren't this burn on the cheek.
And I'm putting all those things together. I thought, these
things don't fit together. They're not supposed to be related,
you know that they just couldn't make sense of I
mean nobody in England, in Northwest England in nineteen seventy
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two knew anything about alien abductions at all. I think
the Betty and Barney Hill case had been reported in
the American media, maybe in the International UFO magazine or something,
and the Antonio Villas BoA's case has been been reported
in Brazil, which happened in nineteen fifty seven October fifty seven,
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but it wasn't actually reported anywhere until well, it's said
the bulletin in Brazil in nineteen sixty two, so is
in the mid sixties before any things called alien abductions
were reported in the case was one that everybody thought
was a one off. It was unique or even if
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it was a psychological fantasy cooked up between what the
things just come up with.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We had flying we had flying source of review, but
that script wasn't it. Yes, pets were looking at it. Actually,
we had.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Fifty million people in the UK. I don't know how
many people in the neighborhood of my local town even
knew of it alone. So maybe one in one hundred
people had heard of alien abductions, maybe maybe one two hundred,
but nobody really knew what they were. There was no
cable television then, that was no TV coveries, as no
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very few people were writing about it, and if they were,
they were just writing about the two or three cases
worldwide that had been reported and saying it seemed very
so strange and exotic and weird, they couldn't possibly be true. No,
somebody was making it up or imagining things, so nobody
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knew about it, and I couldn't put these pieces together
in what the different constituent parts of this experience added
up to. It didn't really didn't understand why it could be.
And I carried that around for years and years and
years until in nineteen eighty seven, after a lot of
other experiences which was weird in their own way, like
finding a mutilated cow in Ireland in nineteen seventy, that's
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two years prior to the incident that I have just related,
I found that I was on a holiday in Southwest
Island in Kerry and was taken to see a mutilated cow,
which only shows up showed up in any press reports
in the nineteen eighties, when Linda Moulton had made her
TV documentary Strange Harvest, and that was the first time
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it came to It came to public attention outside the
farming communities where this has been happening. And this cow
was exactly what these animals that Linda Hall and Camera
teen filmed and photographed. It had a back end was
called out with a perfectly circular ring which went right
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into the the adomin of the animal. Some of his
two of his teeths were cut off and the rest
were left untouched.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
There What took you to that place?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I was taken there by the the eleven year old
son of the farmer. And on the farmer was staying
with Okay, and he brought me. He come to the
breakfast table after breakfast and said, coin, I want to
show you something very good, to show you something so
often went up up the hill, just me, not my
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sister wasn't invited, and my parents weren't invited, and just
me and I went round the up this gully between
two mountains. And if this cow was lying in this
gully on its back with its legs near and this
legs absolutely rigid to die. They usually they just flop all,
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you know, flop down flats with legs on the ground.
This was this legs were rigid. And they told me
there was no blood anywhere on the ground. And but this,
this this core of this animal with all these bits
that had been cut out, that there's a big piece
of the jaw bone missing as well, not the jerk,
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but the flesh around the jaw bone. So the jow
bone was exposed. And they told me that the vet
had been out to see it, because they called the
vet early in the morning in it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Far just as soon as they found it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yep, and vet had said he told them it the
cow died of anthrax. That's what that were told. Now,
being farmers.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And anthrax, you don't no way out there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well it to farmers in rural Ireland in nineteen seventy
they believe what a vet told them because that were
the professionals and the experts, and they've been to university
and they knew what they were talking about, and so
they believed that this was anthrax. Where I'm my little
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fourteen year old brain couldn't really make any sense of that.
If it could it could be anthraxs because all I
knew about anthrax was not very much, but.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It was well, you guys went l you guys were ill,
and the little other yourself.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That is dangerous and is used as a weapon of war,
you know, the Japanese in the World War two was
used as a weapon of war. And it's very It's
not highly contagious like measles, but it's it lives in
the soil. And I've later read about this and it's
very dangerous. And if you ever have a suspect case
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of the spores being found, the geographical area is evacuated, quarantined.
That didn't happen. Everything went on as normal, and they
removed the carcass. I don't know where they burned it
or sent it to the house to try and get
some meat off, and don't know what they did with it.
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So the the the diagnosis was bogus, but it was
it was necessary to tell the farmers something and shut
people up basically because you actually, I believe that nobody
knew what it was, you know, just so had.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Had had the farmers said that this had happened before. No,
it was a one off while you were.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There, first time it ever happened.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
The fact that you were staying there, the fact that
you were staying there as well. Okay, so that's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We were there in the middle of the week. This happened.
This appeared one night, and they had never been seen
or heard of previously on any local That's interesting. Yeah,
I don't know what to make of it even now,
you know that's all these years later.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Well, it's all the head scratch, all of it, all
the subjectives, you.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Know, Like I had a very major missing time experience
when there was you University on the beach, and it's
similar to the nineteen seventy two event. But I had
a a very strong feeling that they were pleased with
me about something. It's really hard to explain that, but
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they were. I looked at the craft as it was
repeaced at, retreating it slowly across the sky zigzags, and
I knew that these creatures were either communicating with me
or think there's some kind of telepathic connection, and they
were really pleased with me. And I just couldn't know
what the hell was going on, you know, because then
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I didn't really know about the induction issue the first thing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
The first Now have you now for actually I understand
what that meant or I understand what feeling was. Okay,
because it's taken me ten years, well a long time
ago to understand something that they said to me in
my head. It took me ten years, and then one
day I realized, as oh my god, yes, so you
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know you hang onto it for so long, try and
working it out.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, you see, I just jump out a bit. In
nineteen eighty five, eighty five, I read Sorry eighty seven
I read a Communion by Willie Streeble, which was published
in eighty seven, was a big worldwide seller, sold two
million copies in a hardcover, and it was all the
bookshops and everybody was reading it, all talking about it,
and he was on all the chat shows, and he
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had a really hard time of it, you know, with
people teasing him about things. I watched numbers interviews, but
he stood his grounds and dougs and was as honest
as he could be. And he went through this ritual
of new ritual humiliation that the publishers. And I knew
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that this was having read his book and then heard
a couple of things about the abduction issue from the
different sources, I knew that it was a real thing, okay,
And I was so grateful that it didn't apply to me.
There was nothing to do with me. But I said,
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it's obviously going on something. This is obviously real, because
I saw pictures of people with scars and their bodies
and guys and women.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
You know, because you didn't know that you had the
scoop mark back then, you weren't getting the I didn't find.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That scoop mark until two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Okay, right, so we do have some pictures of some beings.
But can I just ask you before Race puts those on?
Can I ask you did you are they? Are they
actual conscious memories or are they under the aid of hypnosis?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The the well, You've got two things. You could put
them up one time. I'll tell you what they are.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Okay, Race, do you want to put the beings up?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Now? That one? That one happened in my heart ad
house in twenty fifteen, late in the evening. I was
reading and my wife was invented. She went a bit
earlier than me at that time. She was already asleep,
and we had a two story house. She was upstairs
and I was downstairs, and I was reading something and
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I can't remember what it was, probably a book about
the abduction subject, because I was really into it at
that time. But I missed a few things out, obviously.
But but this happened when I was overcome by a
powering euphoria of drowsiness, which is what a lot of
addictees describe, and isn't it. It's so it's like having you.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Know, a general antic Yeah, yeah, five three two one, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Lean back, and I just I tried to fight it
because I kind of had an idea what was going on.
I thought, I've got to get upstairs somehow to bed.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Okay, you're just feeling this sensation.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I saw these this figure with another figure, with a
young male one who looked like he's wearing normal casual
human clothes, and she was wearing a kind of loose
fitting beige colored thing and had hair kind of unkempt
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and unstyled. It was kind of silvery or white. And
she had the huge eyes. But she can't and she
had if you saw her dressing human clothes like a coat,
and you saw her from behind at a buster.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think she's human.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah you could. She could pass for human, but close
up she wouldn't. But she came in the room through
the glass doors into the garden, threw the glass into
the room, and that was the last thing I remembered
that night, and the next night, next day, so.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
You didn't get so you were going to get up
because you felt really woozy. Then she entered the room.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
And it's just knockout, because they can do that. So
the story about behind this is we scrupulously cleaned the
house that day or the previous day, so it's really pristine, spotless.
We had wooden floors in the lounge and tire tire
floors in the kitchen, so there was nowhere for anything
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to stick and get missed in it because he seed
dust on a wooden floor. Yes, and it's an oak,
polished oak. And the next day my wife, she said,
I was really ratty and impatience and irritable, which is
which we came to realize to recognize later, you know,
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it's a sign of a might have had an abduction event.
And she found two hairs, one in the in the
living room right under the dying table where this being
had passed, and another one about two hours later she
found in the patio outside. Now, these two hairs are
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about ten or twelve inches long, and.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
They were my hair growing long.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
They looked like they were exactly the same, you know,
And it took us another year before we could find
someone to analyze them, and we found Microtrace LLC in
the state of Illinois and they were analyzed by two
electron microscopists at LLC and the analysis are The forensic
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analysis of these hairs is published and out of time.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yes, I was just about going to say that there
is so much do this book for everybody if they
would like to look at the.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Many see exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
We will go into in further.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Never been published anywhere before because we had it done
into in twenty sixteen and I've never written it up before,
but it's there, and we have still had one of
the hairs here and the other hairs at some microtrace.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Okay, so we have another picture as well.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
While we're on yes, another one. I've been having memory
recovery sessions with David Jacobs for about five years when
this has happened, okay, And what happens with memory recoveries
is the the entities can bury the experience in the
long term memory. This is a cold deep subjects on
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this own. But what they do is when the adults
he's lying down on the table, they go up. One
of the taller beings will go up to them. And
be right about thinking. Think in inches for our North
American audience, a few millimeters but less than the quarter
of an inch away. They have this great big, one
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of those great big almond shaped black eyes, and they
move right into the abduct tea and they they turn
and twist their head around, and they move around them
until they lock into the optic nerve of one of
the abducy's eyeballs. When they lock into the optic nerve,
the abdupt tee reports that they feel all sorts of
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sensations in their bodies and then their bladder and their
liver all over the place, and thoughts racing through their minds,
and different emotions coming up, and sometimes they feel sexually aroused,
and sometimes they feel deep love for the being, and
sometimes they feel drowsy, and sometimes they feel angry, and
all these emotions they kind of recognize when they get
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used to that, then these are not their emotions, that
their emotions are being stimulated deliberately. Staring proceed where they
lock into the optic nerve in the eye. And what
happens then is the the memory that the experience of
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the abduction events is placed in the long term memory,
so that when the abductee comes home gets back. Always
remember is a period of missing time. Like it's eight
o'clock and they're walking across the living room at home
going to get a coffee, and suddenly they they're back,
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so to speak. They suddenly realized it's ten o'clock and
they've no memory of what happened in those two hours.
So this missing time is engineered and one of the
things that hypnosis attempts to help you to do.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well, it's pretty great to take that down so I
can actually see you then.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Access the long term memory, and it really hypnosis is
about helping the add tee himself or herself remember stuff
that is in the long term memory. So if it's
in the long term memory, it's like things that happened
when you were two or three years old, which you
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can access if you train the memory. But you have
to remember now. One day, I came home from work
and lay down on the sofa in the lounge and
I was thinking about a business thing which really really
needs a lot of solving. I was really engrossed, and
suddenly I sat bolt upright and screamed, and I saw
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this being that you've just seen, this female being we
can have it back from minutes race the second one,
the second one in the dress. Yeah, her. I saw
her right in front of me, and it was a
memory of something recent. And she was wearing a green
dress and she had black hair, and she had this
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choker thing around her throat and small breasts and green
eyes and she was.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Flesh as in flesh. You can see her flesh.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yes, yes, she was. She was a human. That's what
they call it. Hubrid. But it's like my hybrid being.
But it's a young adult who has a certain amounts
of neurological control of her abdultees because they have some
of the power of the Augralians.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
It's a part of your You're part of your family.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
No, no, never know. I don't know her in the
real world, but she was there.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
As in up there.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
It was something that I remembered from a recent event
up there and it just it just came bang, and
it's it's still she's still in my mind, and I know,
I know, really Lasa came to open. She is You know,
they usually ask you if you ask them, what were
their names? And they say, what do you want to
call me? What name you want? Because yeah, exactly. So
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what it was, it was something that just emerged out
of memory that had been buried deliberately and I just
accessed it. So when you when you have hYP noticed
sessions for a long period of time to help you
get into the long term memory, these sudden memories burst
into your into your conscious mind when you're doing everyday things,
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and it's quite disturbing unless you've prepared for it. And
you know, I was working with David Jacobs for all
these years before you know, he gave up working with
Abberteas in twenty eighteen, but he was He was very,
very diligent and very careful and very patient with me.
And the sessions took about far hours. And what you do,
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what you learn to do is dig into your long
term memory and remember things that you otherwise wouldn't be
able to remember. And it's one of those memories just
that they just emerge. Bud Hopkins will once explained to
me it's like if you stand on a garden hose
the stop the water coming out, and then if the
pressure builds up, you just take your foot off the
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garden hose and the hose jumps up in the air
and sprays all over the place it's happened.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yea, in the garden.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
The memory you can't control it, and you suddenly it's there,
and once you remember it always it always stays there.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, it does. That's very true. And and it will always,
Like you say, it happens when you least expect it.
You can be the most.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
That's what that drawing is of, that that particular memory emerging.
And it's so vivid.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
You know why I ask why, I ask was it?
Was it a memory? Well? I said it was a
being that you weren't I've got sorry, I don't know
why that's happened? Was it a being that you? Do
you think that you're going to get more memories of
because obviously there's more to that found.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay, well now I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Well, we got two minutes left, right, so we've got
two minutes, shall we shall we round it off with
yourself because this is going to go for part two,
and because we've got a load more to talk about
in part two, because obviously we're talking about David Jacobs,
We're going to be talking about Bud Hopkins, Peter Robbins,
and you're going into the scientific background of looking up
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at you a.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Lot of the book and it's.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Very very thorough, very descriptive. So for all of the people,
all of the tech heads, all of the medical background people,
they're absolutely going to love this. So do you want
to just talk about where people go to to go
and get out of time? Absolutely brilliant, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Love that we have a web page out of Time
book dot info mm hm out of Time book dot
info And that's quite a long web page, which when
when the process of a re reconfiguring. But it's it's
it's the formats in now you can there's links there
to purchase the book. It's available as a hardcover.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
And an evil that isn't Bud Hopkins work, is it?
Speaker 1 (55:28):
It looks like because I thought it was, but it's not.
It's it's designed by a friend of ours called Jared Tarbell.
If you don't don't know who Jared is. He started
an organization called Etsy.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Which is all right, yeah that old Shenanigan's Yeah, yeah,
I don't do.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know? It's arts and crafts and ye as an
intet business business. And he sold his shares in Etsy
about ten ten years ago and he's retired very comfortably.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Well, I know where I would sooner be. I'd soon
be reading u FO books and having UFO one thing.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
He lives in near Albuquerque, New Mexico, and we met
in the summer and we went and went over there
to see my friend Robert Hastings and say him for
two weeks. Again.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Well, I'm going to say to you, thank you, thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Jar designed the cover book. Okay, it's called fractic fractured disc.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
It's called okay, well yeah, I think I got something
like that on my back. Okay, so you will be
back for a few parts because it's very descriptive your book,
which is out of Time, Please go and get it
is We've got the link on the bottom for everybody
to see for to go purchase.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Just a word. It is designed for people who don't
know a lot about the induction quote.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'll do a quick quote. Out of Time is clear,
thorough and accurate. Read it because we all need to
learn why we may be out of time. So I'm
going to leave it as that, because we are out
of time, all right, and that leads nicely. Thank you
ever so much, Steve, and say give my love to
Janis and thank you very much from me and back
to the naked truth next week. See you lay back bye.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah.
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now I'm gonna I'm well, I'm on the ride of
a real mine and welcome to the Naked Truth and
now your host, Bridget bar Class.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Good evening, America and a very good early morning here
in England. And today we're going to be talking with
a Steve Aspen. So I'm going to give you a
bit of background on Steve. Steve Aspen has worked in
a professional background of marketing, sales and business management for
over thirty five years in the field of surgery and
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medical diagnosis. Now that will be that will bring good
grounds for further on in his book and Out of Times,
his first published book on the subject and abduction research.
Following a lifetime of within this phenomena research for this book,
Steve has spent fifteen years traveling around the world to
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meet the leading researchers in this field and discuss their
findings with him face to face. He's also met many
abductees from all walks of life and experiences reported by
these people that are woven discreetly into this book's narrative structure.
This is Out of Time. I have been reading Out
of Time. It's really descriptive, it's informative from various different
(01:59):
levels and actually are speaking to Steve earlier and he
said a really really good term, it's a helicopter's view
as like a helicopter's viewpoint, and it really truly is.
It's really really lovely to read such a descriptive journey
into someone's life, looking into their own life and the
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researchers that are helping us all. Steve Aspen, are you
there please? Hello? How are you? We've had a few
technical issues, haven't we. We've had a few technical issues
over the last couple of weeks, but we are actually
here now, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Completely last week, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh it was completely gone last week for like seven days,
so you can imagine how bond because it was in
this house with a gamer, various things. It was just crazy.
So Out of Time is your first published book on
this research and sorry, with research onto this phenomena. Now,
like I said, I have read parts of this book.
(03:04):
This is going to be our part one because we
cannot just do this your book give it credit in
this so we don't know how many parts we're going
to do. And we're both going to talk about the
viewpoint from an experience. Well, first of all, you're starting,
how you first had these experiences, what you think about
the experiences as growing up as a child looking back,
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because it's very descriptive. I really loved it. I felt
like I was in the room with you on your descriptions,
and it was really good and it brought up a
lot of things for me as well, which is always
good for the viewer and taking notes on the side.
That's the whole point why we read books so we
can be familiar with other people's accounts because they're similar
to ours. So Steve, talk to us about yourself at
(03:51):
the very beginning of all of this, please, Okay, I.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Have I had a very young child what I now
know were abduction experiences linked to the alien abduction phenomenon,
which is in fact a program. Because when I was
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about ten years old, I asked one of these abductors,
why am I singled out for this? Because you can
they talked to you telepathically in your head, and you
hear the voice inside your head, but there's nothing, no
sound in the air in the year ears. It's total telepathy.
(04:38):
Anybody who's experienced it, any abductees who's experienced it, knows
exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, because you actually quoted it in the book, didn't
you said, so.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I asked him, because it's a male one, because they
do have gender, some of them are female, but they
look exactly the same. There's no physical out of difference.
I asked him, why me, what's so special about me?
Because I was pretty certain my school friends didn't go
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through this, and it was something that nobody ever mentioned,
and it was quite a major thing in my life,
you know, every few weeks going through this nighttime experience
in which I was paralyzed, and I could have these
creatures around me, I could smell them, and that there's
I was completely I knew I was awake. Wasn't like
(05:33):
a dream because I felt myself moving, moving through the
window and so forth. And he said, oh, it's because
of your mother and your grandmother and your great grandmother
and your next And this piece of information I retained
(05:53):
for until my I was about very late forties. I
was actually years old when I eventually worked out what
this thing was and what the what the cultural paradigm was,
what researchers called it, what researches but I had no idea,
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and this thing always always knew. My mother said to
me a number of times when I was a child,
right up until young adulthood. She said, Steve, there's something
in this family that happens to me, and you're involved
in it too, but nobody else is involved in it
just as too. And my mother, she said, that will
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be my grandma.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's quite a statement. And you're something quite bold like
that from your mother, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, she had. She interpreted everything as as something spiritual,
and she was a spiritualist, and she later became a
spiritual either. And she had a very strong intuitive and
clairvolent faculties and always played around with crystal balls and
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went to see mediums and so forth. So that was
the paradigm she lived in. This is there's a lot
of crossovers between interest in the occult and mysticism and
advertees for a whole list of reasons that that would
take you know, and now as program, just just to
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one thing about the abduction program is when it happens
to you. If you don't have a visual sighting of
an unidentified flying object or you know, some sort of craft,
you're in this interiors, you're in the you're taken and
you have usually surrounded by blue lights and you're a
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bit dizzy, and you are taken to an interior which
has tables like operating tables, really simple, more like them
ald into the floor, and there's other people there sometimes
and there's these other abductees. But you have no idea
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that has anything to do with unidentified flying objects or
flying sources or anything that. If you don't actually see
the exterior, you don't know where the hell you are
and you have nothing to put it on. So most
people who have these experiences during the twentieth century, throughout
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the twentieth century, thought cloaked it in a paradigm of
it's it's folklore. It's something to do with the ancestry.
It's to do with those kind of things you know,
or it's to do with your your ancestral line, and
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it is to do with the fairies or something like that.
They don't they never equate. They never linked it to
the UFO phenomenon, which only really became publicly at knowledge
in the mid to late nineteen forties. You know that
the famous citing of a Mount Rainey in Washington State,
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and a lot of these objects were seen in North America,
but Allied pilots, both British and American pilots and also
German pilots saw food what they were Allied pilots used
to refer to as food fighters in the Second World
War as early as nineteen forty two, and they always
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thought that these bright orbs flying around and chasing them
were the enemies technology. Yes, they had no other paradigm
to put it on because there was no space travel
until nineteen sixty. Yeah, there was science fiction about space trouble,
but people, you know, a hard had Air Force people
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never really connected those sightings with anything except the enemy's technology,
you know. So they've always been seen, they've always been around,
but it was only in the nineteen forties that the
UFO that unidentified flying objects you know, became a thing
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in the public domain. They got reported on television, they
called reported in the newspapers, the magazine articles about them.
Everybody was talking about them. They started making films featuring
staped spaceships like the Day They Are Stood Still in
nineteen Space series in the nineteen sixty all the craft
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was source of shaped and nothing we made to this
day looks like that. You know. We had the pomp,
the Mercury program, the Apollo program, the Gemini program, the
Space Shuttle program. Nothing we make that astronauts fly around
in looks remotely like.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
When you when you see a massive craft in the sky,
very very close to you, you think, why the hell
is something of that weight that should you know, that
solid silver, metallic, you know that weight, It shouldn't be
actually in the sky. Let lost some fuelage come from it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The thousands of people studying the technology, some we believe
have their hands on the technology. Yeah, incredible reports. But
I had no idea that it was anything to do
with that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Okay, So when you're in the craft, when you're in
the craft then and you are, you know, speaking with
telepathy with the beings, is there? You know. Obviously everyone's
got various different degrees of what they remember or don't remember.
Sometimes that can be totally taken out of the equation.
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As we know, you don't remember absolutely everything. You just
wake up with mark in which we have some amazing
marks to show you shortly and it's descriptive in the book.
So with the paranormal point of view, you're talking about
the fairies. Well, I read your the first few parts
of the of your book about the fairies. Now, my
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one was about fairies when I was very young. That
was my second encounter. Never looked into that under hypnosis.
Funny enough, I wonder really if the cryptozoology, because obviously
with Bigfoot, they you know, they realize it's inter dimensional.
They haven't really gone into back to back down that
road again with the fairies. You know, it's like, hang on,
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all of these people in folklore are seeing these these fairies.
No one's really think looked into it and go, well,
actually they were you know, could have been you know, beings.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think there have been. It hasn't that the fairy
phenomena would link directly bolted onto the UFO issue by
Jacques Valet in nineteen sixty nine Passport to Magonia, and
we kind of stuck by that for a long time,
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so he attempted to link them together. But the abduction
phenomenon is unique because it affects you psychologically in so
many ways physically as well, because abductees arrived back as
children and as young adults and as older adults with
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these scars on their bodies which they or other members
of their family discover, and some of them are quite
disfiguring temporarily. I don't know whether you've got any images
of those we can show.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So first of all, we're going to show Steve's images.
But what age did you find those, Steve?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Oh, these are in my thirties and forties, fifties as well,
the ones that I photographed, because prior to them that
you don't really that's that was on the right shoulder. Okay,
story behind this one was it happened on our August
Bank Holiday two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Scoop mark we call that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, it's spotted by the woman who is now my wife.
At the time, she was just you know, well and
not none of that long, but she spotted it when
I got out of shower, and she looked at and exclaimed,
that thing on your shoulder, Steve, it's one of those
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scoop marks. I've seen that those pictures of those in
books about aliens, in books about alien abduction, and you've
got one on your shoulder.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, because obviously that's at a point where you can't
really turn around and see it. At that point, you
wouldn't have been aware of it or anything.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Very few of us can see the back of our shoulder.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Without yeah, right, yeah, right, because in the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But the story behind it, very briefly, is that I
photographed it or she photographed it with her phone or
with a camera. I don't remember well in two thousand
and eight what we used, but probably a phone. But
I'd met a UFO conference at that time, I'd met
Peter Robbins, and she no knew people like Stephen Bassett,
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and she'd actually been introduced to David Jacobs, which Stephen
had introduced her to him. So we sent the photographs
to all the various people to ask what they thought
and was this far part of the pattern? And the
amazing thing was Bick Hopkins at that time was in
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his Yeah, he died in twenty eleven at eighty, so
were seventy six. In summer two thousand and eight, Breakthrough Films,
a Manhattan film company like kind of Sundance like independent
film company, was making a film about him and his
life and work, and about his partner, Leslie Kane, who
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was living with bud Or. She actually had an apartment
just around the corner in the next street, and was
writing a book called UFO's General's Pilots and Government Officials
Gone on the record, which wasn't published at that time,
but she was working on this and interviewing all these
people and going to Europe and South America to interview
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their airline pilots and government officials and have you. So
they were making a film about the work that these
two people were engaged in, and one thing they wanted
was a couple of fresh scoop mark scars that had
never been looked at or analyzed by anybody, in other words,
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fresh cases. And this just coincided with me sending these
photos that found their way into Bud Hopkins's hands. Peter Robins.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Great synchronicity.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, and just phone me up in hertfordsure house one
evening and asked me if I go to Manhattan and
stay at his place, And he said, a film company
wants to interview you on camera and wants to biopsy
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that scoop mark scar. Would you agree to that?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And I said, because when you said that when we spoke,
I had never even thought about having a biopsy of
my scoop. Most people, no, would never have thought about it.
So talk about that, and then we're going to show
your other other mark as well. Okay, that's your other mark. Yeah,
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on your arm.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I have a lot of over the years that they're
triangular or sometimes four points, but they're they're clearly needle
points like incisions. Is that if you've if you've been
in jet store, had blood taken from the medical practice
or something, that's exactly what they would look like. And
they heal in the same time. Okay, they healing about whek,
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they completely disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But there and then we have another one raced away.
We have these other one. Now, yeah, that's that's quite
that's a burn, that's a that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Sometimes abductees find these around their lower legs and very
occasionally around their wrists lower arms. And what happens is
during an abduction event, the abductee is restrained by these
kind of structures like manacles, like straps, that the table
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that they're laid on is tilted from horizontal to vertical
so that they can be scanned with a device that
they're using that they mix light in different colors. I
don't know what. I have no idea what they what
they're what it's doing, because they don't explain that to you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean, have they even kept it n have they.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Maybe is measuring something diagnostic in the internal organs or
who knows what it's doing. But they want you to
remain upright because there's gravity where you are, more Earth gravity,
and they are near as you know, we can recognize it.
And they don't want you to move or be moved,
or they don't want you to fall over, so they
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restrain you on these straps. And sometimes adplacies really struggle
because they don't like what they it's being done with
that you can't move very much because a lot of
the neurological systems neutralized by it by the ante.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Did I read in your book there was a part
that said that they were gliding as well, that you
were gliding off the floor.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, I think that's in another book, someone else's book.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, well remember all right, okay, right, so people, that's mine. Now,
that's my scoop mark. Now that's on the top of
my thigh. So if you put your hand down directly
to the side of you, that's on my right side.
It's my scoop market measures about three centimeters long by
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half a centimeter sort of like deep. And then I've
got another one that you've got their race that so
that appeared on my above to the side of my
belly button. Two years ago, prior to a very another
experience in the house. I woke up to that one,
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had a shower, went in to go and get changed,
and then as dressing. Now, if you can, you can
zoom in on that. I mean, race hasn't but if
you zoom in on it, it has three very distinctive
pinpoints on it. And it didn't burn me. There's no
there's no there's no abrasion on the top of it,
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which is really quite strange. It didn't it. Mine didn't scab,
I didn't didn't see it just stayed. It stayed pink
and then it faded. But you the bottom one, it
looks like it's all one. It isn't. If you if
we could have zoomed in, there's there's three. But you know,
I've never shown anyone that one. But I thought that
that happened two years ago, and then I had a
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really big yeah, I hadn't. Yeah, but there was a
lot of activity that year because there's a lot of
things going on in that house that obviously they weren't
happy with. But that's another story. Okay, So continue Steve.
So you know we talked.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
About the word on the scoop marks for a moment,
I'd go into I've been I've got some wind favor
really well. And we were talking about this when he
was here a few weeks ago, staying here, and we
think he thinks, and I think that there's certain things
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that they implant and you little little devices, tiny little
nano devices, and that they either in the nasal pharynx
up here or else in the ears, or very occasionally
inside the head behind the eye socket, or sometimes in
other parts of the body. Terry Lovelace had a large
implant in his leg which he's got X rays of
which they put in and then when a surgeon threatened
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to remove it and made an appointment to remove it,
the abducts is abducted him again. They took it out,
but he has photographs of that. So they do put
implants into all places. One of the characteristics these implants
always have is if you get a little splinter or
something into your skin, like if you get if you're
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chopping wood is something you get a little splinter. What
happens is it recognizes it as a foreign body and
the immune system responds and you get inflammation. Sometimes plus
forming that's sow and tender and red naturally. Yeah, these
implants are right in the body under the skin. There's
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never any inflammatory response whatsoever, no normal immune system infama
inflammatory response. And we think that the reason they don't
the body doesn't respond to that in an inflammatory way
is that the devices have their shells woven from these
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these genetic material that they take from you and these
little scoop marks, and whether they clone it or use
a kind of PCR or very advanced technology, that's where
they substance comes from. The DNA. The DNA signature is
from these so when they, if they were weave the
shells out this out of your own body, basically your
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own body tissue, your own DNA. When they're put into
your body, your body doesn't react to it because it
sees it as its own. The immune system never reacts.
So that's what we think. The scoop marks tissue is used.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
For clever little bastard. Clever little bastard. And actually there's
a Ladien book about little Bastard.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I've now the book is written. I started writing a
book in about twenty ten. First, the first part of
was my own experiences, my own things, that happened to
me that were really undeniable.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I was, would you like to talk about one of them?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, one when I was sixteen in nineteen seventy two,
I was very compelled to get up early on a
Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I read this morning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Every week I didn't work, as I had a summer job.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I love the fact that you used to work for
a rose garden. Just lead into it from that way,
because that's just absolutely that is tipical English. We can
listen to an English story now, please, because part of it,
which is so interesting, grew thousands and thousands and thousands
and thousands of.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Rose trees and every conceivable color and shade and variation.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
For a summers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And the only day I didn't work was Saturday morning,
so I used to sleep in. But I was compelled
on the twentieth Thursday, the twentieth of July nineteen seventy two,
to get up very early on that Saturday morning because
I was supposed to go somewhere, and I had a
very strong compulsion. And you know, sometimes you work on
intuition and you just do things. And I went to
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a site where new houses were being built about ten
or fifteen minutes walk from our house is a suburban,
suburban part of Cheshire Fair area as it happens, But
these new houses were being built maybe a mile away
from anything else. It was a new development, so there's
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nobody around. And as I arrived.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Very early, very early in.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The morning, five o'clock in the morning. As I arrived
there about quarter six, I remember thinking, okay, now, what now,
what are you going to do? Which is a weird
thing to think. And suddenly when I came to something happened,
and I came to consciousness again, and I was surrounded
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by blue light, pulsating blue light in the blue and
indigo park of the spectrum, slightly different shades pulsating through
the air, and sound like a washing sound in my ears.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You were in a builder, weren't you? Hm, you were
in a building, weren't Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Was in a part built house, that's correct.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
No door window it was early morning six.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No window frames, but the brickwork was there and the
roof timbers, and it was a warm summer's day on
the Saturday, the twenty second of July, and all these
washing sounds, and I could hear somebody in my head
or I've had the feeling was behind me, and it
was speaking in my head, say you're not going to
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remember anything about this, And it was like a description
of what was going to happen. It wasn't an instruction
or a command. It was just a description to like,
chat with me. You know, you're not going to remember anything.
Don't worry about it. It's that kind of attitude. And
among the with the blue flashing lights and the washing,
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I looked through the window aperture, which where there was
no glass at the time because it's the powersl unfinished,
and about thirty meters away, at about a thirty degree
elevation from the ground, was a flying saucer in full
view and it was slowly moving to the left from
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left to right in my vision, and it was slightly
at an angle like this, moving along, and it was
like it was like, if I had to describe it
was like it was in I describe it like it
was out. It looked like it was out of time,
and it was in a kind of bubble, but you
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could see it really clearly, but it was it was
in a kind of bubble of its own, you know.
So it was right there, but somehow it didn't belong
in the same space time continuum somehow, but it was
there nevertheless, but it wasn't. It's almost impossible to describe.
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And just a few seconds later, bang, everything stopped, and
the UFO was gone, and the wash the blue flash
flashing lights were gone, and the washing sounds were gone,
and the creature person who had been standing behind me
was gone. And I just I just stood there in
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this empty house, in the in the and I looked
at my wall.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I mean, the creature in your the voice in your
head had gone. There wasn't being there, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, Now there might have been somebody standing me, but
I don't remember seeing it. The I looked at my
watch and the strap was loose. That people used to
wear rist wristwatches in those days because there was no
cell phones until the nineteen nineties, to speak on the
nineteen eighties and.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Away good old cell cell coo.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And people wore wristwatches to tell the time. And I
had a wristwatch on and it's it was on my wrist.
It was slack. The strap was fastened, but it wasn't
fastened properly, and it was okay, I knew it wasn't
like that when I left home. But I looked at
the time and it was five past eight, and what
seemed like a second earlier, it was five point forty five,
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so twenty twenty minutes just gone have disappeared. And I
started walking home, thinking what a weird experience this had been,
What the hell was this all about? And as I walked,
I could feel of my left cheek. I could feel
it was wet and kind of warm, and I put
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my fingers up on it and it was wet in
it was weeping. And when I got home, I looked
in the bathroom mirror and it was a There was
a completely circular burn the size of a large coin.
I don't know any British people of a certain age
will remember, you know the two of the large single
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old penny, all of the two shilling piece, you know that.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
All the house park crown. So I remember half half pay,
the half.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Pay coins nowadays, if people use them at all. I'm
very much smaller and lighter, but this was a burn
about that size, and.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It was you're a skull as well at the age
of eleven, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I know I was sixteen sixteen, sorry, yeah, And
I it took about three or four months, maybe three
months to heal, and it scabbed over and it was
very flaky, and if Evn she disappeared and I So
I had this memory of this compulsion to go to
this place for five o'clock in the morning on my
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day off. I didn't normally get up till ten.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And he used to cycle to work as well. Let's
just put that in.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, I did. I cycle on a French road racing
bike that's really fit. And so I had this compulsion
to get to this place. And something that's very different, strange,
missing time for two and a half hours we're is gone,
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and a memory of seeing a really vivid memory seeing
something looked like a flying saucer from a science fiction
magazine in the sky right in front of me.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's where I remember the age of eleven. You were
eleven when you brought the magazine from the news from
the newsagents. That's where I remember the eleven story.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But and this thing aren't this burn on the cheek.
And I'm putting all those things together. I thought, these
things don't fit together. They're not supposed to be related,
you know that they just couldn't make sense of I
mean nobody in England, in Northwest England in nineteen seventy
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two knew anything about alien abductions at all. I think
the Betty and Barney Hill case had been reported in
the American media, maybe in the International UFO magazine or something,
and the Antonio Villas BoA's case has been been reported
in Brazil, which happened in nineteen fifty seven October fifty seven,
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but it wasn't actually reported anywhere until well, it's said
the bulletin in Brazil in nineteen sixty two, so is
in the mid sixties before any things called alien abductions
were reported in the case was one that everybody thought
was a one off. It was unique or even if
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it was a psychological fantasy cooked up between what the
things just come up with.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We had flying we had flying source of review, but
that script wasn't it. Yes, pets were looking at it. Actually,
we had.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Fifty million people in the UK. I don't know how
many people in the neighborhood of my local town even
knew of it alone. So maybe one in one hundred
people had heard of alien abductions, maybe maybe one two hundred,
but nobody really knew what they were. There was no
cable television then, that was no TV coveries, as no
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very few people were writing about it, and if they were,
they were just writing about the two or three cases
worldwide that had been reported and saying it seemed very
so strange and exotic and weird, they couldn't possibly be true. No,
somebody was making it up or imagining things, so nobody
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knew about it, and I couldn't put these pieces together
in what the different constituent parts of this experience added
up to. It didn't really didn't understand why it could be.
And I carried that around for years and years and
years until in nineteen eighty seven, after a lot of
other experiences which was weird in their own way, like
finding a mutilated cow in Ireland in nineteen seventy, that's
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two years prior to the incident that I have just related,
I found that I was on a holiday in Southwest
Island in Kerry and was taken to see a mutilated cow,
which only shows up showed up in any press reports
in the nineteen eighties, when Linda Moulton had made her
TV documentary Strange Harvest, and that was the first time
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it came to It came to public attention outside the
farming communities where this has been happening. And this cow
was exactly what these animals that Linda Hall and Camera
teen filmed and photographed. It had a back end was
called out with a perfectly circular ring which went right
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into the the adomin of the animal. Some of his
two of his teeths were cut off and the rest
were left untouched.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
There What took you to that place?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I was taken there by the the eleven year old
son of the farmer. And on the farmer was staying
with Okay, and he brought me. He come to the
breakfast table after breakfast and said, coin, I want to
show you something very good, to show you something so
often went up up the hill, just me, not my
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sister wasn't invited, and my parents weren't invited, and just
me and I went round the up this gully between
two mountains. And if this cow was lying in this
gully on its back with its legs near and this
legs absolutely rigid to die. They usually they just flop all,
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you know, flop down flats with legs on the ground.
This was this legs were rigid. And they told me
there was no blood anywhere on the ground. And but this,
this this core of this animal with all these bits
that had been cut out, that there's a big piece
of the jaw bone missing as well, not the jerk,
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but the flesh around the jaw bone. So the jow
bone was exposed. And they told me that the vet
had been out to see it, because they called the
vet early in the morning in it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Far just as soon as they found it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yep, and vet had said he told them it the
cow died of anthrax. That's what that were told. Now,
being farmers.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And anthrax, you don't no way out there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well it to farmers in rural Ireland in nineteen seventy
they believe what a vet told them because that were
the professionals and the experts, and they've been to university
and they knew what they were talking about, and so
they believed that this was anthrax. Where I'm my little
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fourteen year old brain couldn't really make any sense of that.
If it could it could be anthraxs because all I
knew about anthrax was not very much, but.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It was well, you guys went l you guys were ill,
and the little other yourself.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That is dangerous and is used as a weapon of war,
you know, the Japanese in the World War two was
used as a weapon of war. And it's very It's
not highly contagious like measles, but it's it lives in
the soil. And I've later read about this and it's
very dangerous. And if you ever have a suspect case
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of the spores being found, the geographical area is evacuated, quarantined.
That didn't happen. Everything went on as normal, and they
removed the carcass. I don't know where they burned it
or sent it to the house to try and get
some meat off, and don't know what they did with it.
(39:03):
So the the the diagnosis was bogus, but it was
it was necessary to tell the farmers something and shut
people up basically because you actually, I believe that nobody
knew what it was, you know, just so had.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Had had the farmers said that this had happened before. No,
it was a one off while you were.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There, first time it ever happened.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
The fact that you were staying there, the fact that
you were staying there as well. Okay, so that's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We were there in the middle of the week. This happened.
This appeared one night, and they had never been seen
or heard of previously on any local That's interesting. Yeah,
I don't know what to make of it even now,
you know that's all these years later.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Well, it's all the head scratch, all of it, all
the subjectives, you.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Know, Like I had a very major missing time experience
when there was you University on the beach, and it's
similar to the nineteen seventy two event. But I had
a a very strong feeling that they were pleased with
me about something. It's really hard to explain that, but
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they were. I looked at the craft as it was
repeaced at, retreating it slowly across the sky zigzags, and
I knew that these creatures were either communicating with me
or think there's some kind of telepathic connection, and they
were really pleased with me. And I just couldn't know
what the hell was going on, you know, because then
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I didn't really know about the induction issue the first thing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
The first Now have you now for actually I understand
what that meant or I understand what feeling was. Okay,
because it's taken me ten years, well a long time
ago to understand something that they said to me in
my head. It took me ten years, and then one
day I realized, as oh my god, yes, so you
(41:02):
know you hang onto it for so long, try and
working it out.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, you see, I just jump out a bit. In
nineteen eighty five, eighty five, I read Sorry eighty seven
I read a Communion by Willie Streeble, which was published
in eighty seven, was a big worldwide seller, sold two
million copies in a hardcover, and it was all the
bookshops and everybody was reading it, all talking about it,
and he was on all the chat shows, and he
(41:26):
had a really hard time of it, you know, with
people teasing him about things. I watched numbers interviews, but
he stood his grounds and dougs and was as honest
as he could be. And he went through this ritual
of new ritual humiliation that the publishers. And I knew
(41:50):
that this was having read his book and then heard
a couple of things about the abduction issue from the
different sources, I knew that it was a real thing, okay,
And I was so grateful that it didn't apply to me.
There was nothing to do with me. But I said,
(42:10):
it's obviously going on something. This is obviously real, because
I saw pictures of people with scars and their bodies
and guys and women.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
You know, because you didn't know that you had the
scoop mark back then, you weren't getting the I didn't find.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That scoop mark until two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Okay, right, so we do have some pictures of some beings.
But can I just ask you before Race puts those on?
Can I ask you did you are they? Are they
actual conscious memories or are they under the aid of hypnosis?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The the well, You've got two things. You could put
them up one time. I'll tell you what they are.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Okay, Race, do you want to put the beings up?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Now? That one? That one happened in my heart ad
house in twenty fifteen, late in the evening. I was
reading and my wife was invented. She went a bit
earlier than me at that time. She was already asleep,
and we had a two story house. She was upstairs
and I was downstairs, and I was reading something and
(43:18):
I can't remember what it was, probably a book about
the abduction subject, because I was really into it at
that time. But I missed a few things out, obviously.
But but this happened when I was overcome by a
powering euphoria of drowsiness, which is what a lot of
addictees describe, and isn't it. It's so it's like having you.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Know, a general antic Yeah, yeah, five three two one, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Lean back, and I just I tried to fight it
because I kind of had an idea what was going on.
I thought, I've got to get upstairs somehow to bed.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Okay, you're just feeling this sensation.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I saw these this figure with another figure, with a
young male one who looked like he's wearing normal casual
human clothes, and she was wearing a kind of loose
fitting beige colored thing and had hair kind of unkempt
(44:30):
and unstyled. It was kind of silvery or white. And
she had the huge eyes. But she can't and she
had if you saw her dressing human clothes like a coat,
and you saw her from behind at a buster.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think she's human.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah you could. She could pass for human, but close
up she wouldn't. But she came in the room through
the glass doors into the garden, threw the glass into
the room, and that was the last thing I remembered
that night, and the next night, next day, so.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
You didn't get so you were going to get up
because you felt really woozy. Then she entered the room.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
And it's just knockout, because they can do that. So
the story about behind this is we scrupulously cleaned the
house that day or the previous day, so it's really pristine, spotless.
We had wooden floors in the lounge and tire tire
floors in the kitchen, so there was nowhere for anything
(45:39):
to stick and get missed in it because he seed
dust on a wooden floor. Yes, and it's an oak,
polished oak. And the next day my wife, she said,
I was really ratty and impatience and irritable, which is
which we came to realize to recognize later, you know,
(46:00):
it's a sign of a might have had an abduction event.
And she found two hairs, one in the in the
living room right under the dying table where this being
had passed, and another one about two hours later she
found in the patio outside. Now, these two hairs are
(46:21):
about ten or twelve inches long, and.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
They were my hair growing long.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
They looked like they were exactly the same, you know,
And it took us another year before we could find
someone to analyze them, and we found Microtrace LLC in
the state of Illinois and they were analyzed by two
electron microscopists at LLC and the analysis are The forensic
(46:53):
analysis of these hairs is published and out of time.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yes, I was just about going to say that there
is so much do this book for everybody if they
would like to look at the.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Many see exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
We will go into in further.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Never been published anywhere before because we had it done
into in twenty sixteen and I've never written it up before,
but it's there, and we have still had one of
the hairs here and the other hairs at some microtrace.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Okay, so we have another picture as well.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
While we're on yes, another one. I've been having memory
recovery sessions with David Jacobs for about five years when
this has happened, okay, And what happens with memory recoveries
is the the entities can bury the experience in the
long term memory. This is a cold deep subjects on
(47:45):
this own. But what they do is when the adults
he's lying down on the table, they go up. One
of the taller beings will go up to them. And
be right about thinking. Think in inches for our North
American audience, a few millimeters but less than the quarter
of an inch away. They have this great big, one
(48:09):
of those great big almond shaped black eyes, and they
move right into the abduct tea and they they turn
and twist their head around, and they move around them
until they lock into the optic nerve of one of
the abducy's eyeballs. When they lock into the optic nerve,
the abdupt tee reports that they feel all sorts of
(48:29):
sensations in their bodies and then their bladder and their
liver all over the place, and thoughts racing through their minds,
and different emotions coming up, and sometimes they feel sexually aroused,
and sometimes they feel deep love for the being, and
sometimes they feel drowsy, and sometimes they feel angry, and
all these emotions they kind of recognize when they get
(48:51):
used to that, then these are not their emotions, that
their emotions are being stimulated deliberately. Staring proceed where they
lock into the optic nerve in the eye. And what
happens then is the the memory that the experience of
(49:14):
the abduction events is placed in the long term memory,
so that when the abductee comes home gets back. Always
remember is a period of missing time. Like it's eight
o'clock and they're walking across the living room at home
going to get a coffee, and suddenly they they're back,
(49:39):
so to speak. They suddenly realized it's ten o'clock and
they've no memory of what happened in those two hours.
So this missing time is engineered and one of the
things that hypnosis attempts to help you to do.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well, it's pretty great to take that down so I
can actually see you then.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Access the long term memory, and it really hypnosis is
about helping the add tee himself or herself remember stuff
that is in the long term memory. So if it's
in the long term memory, it's like things that happened
when you were two or three years old, which you
(50:21):
can access if you train the memory. But you have
to remember now. One day, I came home from work
and lay down on the sofa in the lounge and
I was thinking about a business thing which really really
needs a lot of solving. I was really engrossed, and
suddenly I sat bolt upright and screamed, and I saw
(50:43):
this being that you've just seen, this female being we
can have it back from minutes race the second one,
the second one in the dress. Yeah, her. I saw
her right in front of me, and it was a
memory of something recent. And she was wearing a green
dress and she had black hair, and she had this
(51:05):
choker thing around her throat and small breasts and green
eyes and she was.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Flesh as in flesh. You can see her flesh.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yes, yes, she was. She was a human. That's what
they call it. Hubrid. But it's like my hybrid being.
But it's a young adult who has a certain amounts
of neurological control of her abdultees because they have some
of the power of the Augralians.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
It's a part of your You're part of your family.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
No, no, never know. I don't know her in the
real world, but she was there.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
As in up there.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
It was something that I remembered from a recent event
up there and it just it just came bang, and
it's it's still she's still in my mind, and I know,
I know, really Lasa came to open. She is You know,
they usually ask you if you ask them, what were
their names? And they say, what do you want to
call me? What name you want? Because yeah, exactly. So
(52:15):
what it was, it was something that just emerged out
of memory that had been buried deliberately and I just
accessed it. So when you when you have hYP noticed
sessions for a long period of time to help you
get into the long term memory, these sudden memories burst
into your into your conscious mind when you're doing everyday things,
(52:38):
and it's quite disturbing unless you've prepared for it. And
you know, I was working with David Jacobs for all
these years before you know, he gave up working with
Abberteas in twenty eighteen, but he was He was very,
very diligent and very careful and very patient with me.
And the sessions took about far hours. And what you do,
(53:03):
what you learn to do is dig into your long
term memory and remember things that you otherwise wouldn't be
able to remember. And it's one of those memories just
that they just emerge. Bud Hopkins will once explained to
me it's like if you stand on a garden hose
the stop the water coming out, and then if the
pressure builds up, you just take your foot off the
(53:25):
garden hose and the hose jumps up in the air
and sprays all over the place it's happened.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yea, in the garden.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
The memory you can't control it, and you suddenly it's there,
and once you remember it always it always stays there.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, it does. That's very true. And and it will always,
Like you say, it happens when you least expect it.
You can be the most.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
That's what that drawing is of, that that particular memory emerging.
And it's so vivid.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
You know why I ask why, I ask was it?
Was it a memory? Well? I said it was a
being that you weren't I've got sorry, I don't know
why that's happened? Was it a being that you? Do
you think that you're going to get more memories of
because obviously there's more to that found.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay, well now I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Well, we got two minutes left, right, so we've got
two minutes, shall we shall we round it off with
yourself because this is going to go for part two,
and because we've got a load more to talk about
in part two, because obviously we're talking about David Jacobs,
We're going to be talking about Bud Hopkins, Peter Robbins,
and you're going into the scientific background of looking up
(54:37):
at you a.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Lot of the book and it's.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Very very thorough, very descriptive. So for all of the people,
all of the tech heads, all of the medical background people,
they're absolutely going to love this. So do you want
to just talk about where people go to to go
and get out of time? Absolutely brilliant, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Love that we have a web page out of Time
book dot info mm hm out of Time book dot
info And that's quite a long web page, which when
when the process of a re reconfiguring. But it's it's
it's the formats in now you can there's links there
to purchase the book. It's available as a hardcover.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
And an evil that isn't Bud Hopkins work, is it?
Speaker 1 (55:28):
It looks like because I thought it was, but it's not.
It's it's designed by a friend of ours called Jared Tarbell.
If you don't don't know who Jared is. He started
an organization called Etsy.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Which is all right, yeah that old Shenanigan's Yeah, yeah,
I don't do.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know? It's arts and crafts and ye as an
intet business business. And he sold his shares in Etsy
about ten ten years ago and he's retired very comfortably.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Well, I know where I would sooner be. I'd soon
be reading u FO books and having UFO one thing.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
He lives in near Albuquerque, New Mexico, and we met
in the summer and we went and went over there
to see my friend Robert Hastings and say him for
two weeks. Again.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Well, I'm going to say to you, thank you, thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Jar designed the cover book. Okay, it's called fractic fractured disc.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
It's called okay, well yeah, I think I got something
like that on my back. Okay, so you will be
back for a few parts because it's very descriptive your book,
which is out of Time, Please go and get it
is We've got the link on the bottom for everybody
to see for to go purchase.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Just a word. It is designed for people who don't
know a lot about the induction quote.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'll do a quick quote. Out of Time is clear,
thorough and accurate. Read it because we all need to
learn why we may be out of time. So I'm
going to leave it as that, because we are out
of time, all right, and that leads nicely. Thank you
ever so much, Steve, and say give my love to
Janis and thank you very much from me and back
to the naked truth next week. See you lay back bye.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah.
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