October 12, 2025 • 56 mins
PART 2 - The Voice
Back again with Steve for part 2 and his deeply personal account, exploring Steve-s lifelong experiences with unexplained phenomena, particularly UFO encounters and abductions. It’s not just about sharing stories but about trying to make sense of what happened to him over decades. He offers a first-hand look into the emotional and psychological toll these experiences have had on him.
Steve dives into the broader context of the UFO phenomenon, drawing connections between his personal experiences and wider patterns reported by other experiencers. He reflects on the cultural, historical, and scientific implications of these events, providing a broader commentary on what might be happening and why.
One of the core themes is the exploration of what it means to be an experiencer. Steve delves into the nature of these encounters, the trauma they often leave behind, and the challenges of sharing such experiences in a world that can be skeptical or dismissive.
The book goes beyond recounting events to speculate on the nature of the entities involved and their possible intentions. Aspin explores various theories, from extraterrestrial hypotheses to more metaphysical interpretations, while leaving room for readers to form their own opinions.
Steves book seems to advocate for a more open-minded approach to the UFO phenomenon. He urges readers, especially skeptics, to consider the experiences of abductees with empathy and curiosity, rather than dismissal.
The book overall aims to be both a personal memoir and a broader commentary on the phenomenon, blending storytelling with analysis. It’s a compelling read for anyone interested in the complexities of UFO encounters and the human experiences behind them
Join us together as we think broader daily about this subject matter that we just can't let go off !!!!
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Back again with Steve for part 2 and his deeply personal account, exploring Steve-s lifelong experiences with unexplained phenomena, particularly UFO encounters and abductions. It’s not just about sharing stories but about trying to make sense of what happened to him over decades. He offers a first-hand look into the emotional and psychological toll these experiences have had on him.
Steve dives into the broader context of the UFO phenomenon, drawing connections between his personal experiences and wider patterns reported by other experiencers. He reflects on the cultural, historical, and scientific implications of these events, providing a broader commentary on what might be happening and why.
One of the core themes is the exploration of what it means to be an experiencer. Steve delves into the nature of these encounters, the trauma they often leave behind, and the challenges of sharing such experiences in a world that can be skeptical or dismissive.
The book goes beyond recounting events to speculate on the nature of the entities involved and their possible intentions. Aspin explores various theories, from extraterrestrial hypotheses to more metaphysical interpretations, while leaving room for readers to form their own opinions.
Steves book seems to advocate for a more open-minded approach to the UFO phenomenon. He urges readers, especially skeptics, to consider the experiences of abductees with empathy and curiosity, rather than dismissal.
The book overall aims to be both a personal memoir and a broader commentary on the phenomenon, blending storytelling with analysis. It’s a compelling read for anyone interested in the complexities of UFO encounters and the human experiences behind them
Join us together as we think broader daily about this subject matter that we just can't let go off !!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, now I'm gonna I'm well, I'm up the ride
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and real mine and welcome to the Naked Truth.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And now your host Bridget bar Clash.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good evening and good morning to absolutely everybody that is
listening and tuning into the Naked Truth. My guest is
a Steve Aspin. This is going to be a part
two and it is regarding his book called Out of Time.
So I'm just going to give you a little gentle intro.
Steve's book is a deep personal account exploring Steve's longtime
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experiences with the unexplained phenomena, particularly UFO encounters and abductions.
It's not just about sharing the stories, but it's about
trying to make sense of what's happened to him over
the decades. He's offering a first hand look into the
emotional and psychological toll of these experiences that it has
had on him. Steve dives into a broader content of
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the UFO phenomena, drawing connections between his personal experiences and
a wider pattern reported with other experiences. This reflects on
the cultural, historical, and scientificate implications part of me of
these events, providing a broader commentary of what might be
happening to us and why. One of the core themes
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of this explanation is what it means to be an experiencer.
Steve delves into the nature of these accounts and encounters
and the trauma that often leaves behind, and the challenges
of sharing such experiences in a world that can be
skeptical or dismissive. But that's going to be for part three.
So we are part two. Steve Aspin, Are you here please? Yes,
(02:19):
I'm here, Hello, Steve. Nice to see you back. All right,
YEA took right. Part one was last week, So this
is going to be our part two, and it is
about your book out of time. I have read a
little bit more, not as much as I should have done,
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but this is for you to have the time now
to draw in people, skeptics and non skeptics, and experiences
into our circle of trust and your reflections and your
experiences regarding them. So let's start with last week we
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were talking about the scars and we were talking about implants.
Would you like to continue from there onwards?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Sure. We talked about some hair recovered from an abduction event.
Just a quick word about that. The hair samples we
discovered in our house and on the patio outside on
the other side of the garden doors. What my wife
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discovered the day after the events were sent to microtrace
LLC in Illinois, and they also had a hair to
analyze from another abductee in California. I don't know this abductee,
but the hair she had was longer than the two
we found in our house, and it was brown. And
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they turned out to be similar in some respects, but
radically different in the obvious respect that two wereond, blonde,
light colored, and one was already died. Okay, because Brett's
dyed brown. So the full analysis of these hairs and
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what they actually are and you know, and how we
can prove what they are is in the book, but
that I would spoil it for people people if they
haven't read that chapter, because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So when you say dyed, as in it had been dyed,
the hair had been dyed. So like if I dyed
my hair brown, it had been dyed. Yes, exactly interesting
because if we go back to part one, one of
the beings that you had seen did have brown hair,
and then also you had another being that you had
seen that had white hair, right, Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Much, Yeah, yeah, it's so. The other thing that it
pertains to the physical evidence is the implants that we
find that abductees sometimes find, or medical professionals find on
X rays. That these implants, if you're those members of
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your audience who are very into this subject, will probably
know that they do vary somewhat in the location that
and that they're placed, and in what they look like.
Some of them are like spiral like springs, some of
them are like rods, and some of them are like
little seeds, seed shaped things. They they're put in the
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olfactory where the old factory nerve enters the brain through
the crib reform plate just here, or sometimes in the
ears which are accessed excuse me, through the snow doral
sinuses pass.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And what you said about scoop marks, that basically that
they could be they could be taking our tissue samples
and then coating it around the implants. So then it
then it is an It acts as like an anti
inflammatory that it wouldn't reject. And I hadn't thought about
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that until til after year.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah, well, we haven't definitely proved that, but Whitley Streeber
and I both came to that when we were discussing
it about a year ago, and he was staying here
with us in Lincolnshire a couple of weeks backs in
the middle of September.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
When we all met at Hell Yeah, Whity came back
out after that and we continued that discussion.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
So when you get a little splinter in your tissue,
like in new finger, if you're chopping ward or something
or working with wood, sometimes you get a little splinter
in your finger and if you don't get it out,
difficult to remove it. The skin gets inflamed. So after
a day, at most day, it turns tender, it goes red,
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it gets swells up a little bit, and it gets
really really tender, really sore. That's your immune system, bodies
immune system responding to the presence of a foreign object,
trying to isolate it and eject it from the body.
With these implants, sometimes that about the size of seed
like wheat seeds or even smaller, and they are found
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in the tissue, beneath the surface of the skin, beneath
the epidermis, in the tissue somewhere, and there's never any
inflammatory response to them. So that means that the body
does not recognize it as a foreign object. It does
not recognize it as a hostile invader, and it doesn't
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try and eject it. And the only reason the body's
immune system would have that response or lack of response
is if the body's immune system that the t cells
recognize the objects as part of its own sellular structure.
And one of the things that aductees often reports, and
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that they've been photographed and sampled many many times as
these scoop mark scars adults to find out after abduction events,
and they never completely healed it because they're quite deep.
They're quite deep, and you're we showed one last week
in the previous podcast, but there's many many examples of
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these photographed over the years in the books. So what
we think is they use the tissue from these scoop marks,
which they take. It's obviously the tensions to take a
tissue sample, so.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They can take any any any tissue sample from what
they do to us, whether it be in eternal, but.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They take a chunk of your physical flesh that off
from the surface, which is they usually take it from
an area like the back of the shoulder or the
back of the knee or the back of the thighs
where abduct tees routinely don't look.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, that's what that's what. Mine is literally on the
side of my thigh and it is literally like you've
got your finger and you've literally scooped this. And I
do recall, I do recall the incident when I six seven.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, the reason we speculate about this for years and
years as to why they would do this. You know
what they wanted the sample tissue for sort of so
much of it. You know, they're not just so little
group of cells which that you could get with a
little spatula or a syringe. We think it's possible that
they use the tissue, or they they replicate the tissue
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or clone it, or used as some technique like PCR
polymarized chain reaction to reproduce, reproduce the cells in some
way to coach these implants so that the body doesn't
recognize it it's how foreign, and doesn't reject it, doesn't
try and eject it from the the the you know,
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the tissues. So that makes a lot of sense sense
to me, and that, you know, Wickley thinks that, and
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's can I ask them, is there anything that you
haven't explored then that you wanted to put into the
book to do with medical anything medical.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Is there probably is many many things that haven't explored.
But you know, I went with the things that I'd
investigated and looked at, and we've had tests and analyte
forensically analyzed different laboratories, and you know, the the the
results of those analyses are all in the book or
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particularly in the appendices, but they're summarized woven into the story,
and particularly in chapter four, which is called physical evidence.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I mean, I mean, you can be open minded
and you can be skeptical, but if the evidence is
there in the fact that you've gone to you've literally
I mean it's like a mad person in many ways
that you have to, don't you. I mean, you know
you do. You have to for your own personal madness
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sort of Richter scale. You have to make sure that
you go and work with the best of the best people.
You have to make sure that you go and work
with the laporatories. You have to make sure that you
connect with all of the right people, because I mean,
you go.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
To the level that you can reach and to people
who have got the time and expertise to work with
you and you know, there's not many people are available
to do that. I mean, I'd really like to, you know,
get to know Gary Milan a lot better because he's
immersed in this very high level and he's he's got
electron microscopy and everything that the implants that's analyzed in
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the book is was a excuse me, I'm just try
and get it. It is a little seed shaped thing
that was removed by Roger Lear.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I'm going to ask you about Roger. Yeah, well, when
did you go to see Roger?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I'd met him at Gaithersburg at a conference in two
thousand and nine and again in twenty ten. Steve Bassett
used to used to put a big, big conference on
in the Gaithersburg Hill Hotel in those years. He doesn't
do any anymore because each time he spent twenty grand
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upfront and it was getting expensive rogers to attended those.
He was he was extracting implants from adductees from nineteen
ninety four or five ninety five for nineteen years until
twenty fourteen when he died. He died it to just
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a couple of weeks shy of his eightieth birthday in
twenty fourteen, but during in two thousand and nine. He
removed this implant from a guy called Steve Colburn, or
there's a pseudonym used in the paper, but his Colburn's
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company is called Dark Start Nanotechnology LC, and they're based
in southern California, and they've got a ton of really
high tech equipment like electron microscopy, which electron microscopes are
north of a million dollars for a good one, and
he uses electron. He used electron microscopy and a number
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of other very high tech procedures to analyze this thing.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And what as they do dissolved don't know the ones
says taken out. Lots of things can actually apparently happen Roger.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
This particular one, I don't I haven't gone a detailed
analysis of another in the book. This particular one emitted
radio waves in three separate frequency bands.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It sounds right, though, that's exactly what that's We have
the well in the hurts, Mega hurts and kill killer hurts.
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah. So the thing is, when they're removed from the abductee,
within about fourteen days, they stop sending radio waves. They
just stop and well, rather in the body they're always
doing it. So there's something about when they when they
they when they're they're removed from the bodily tissue, they
know that they're removed or they're switched off somehow because
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they stop emitting the radio waves. The shell is woven.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
We've dropped our tracker. We've dropped our tracker.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Well exactly. Yeah, what happened to me in twenty twenty
two when they I got rid of this one one
up there. I just really sneezed it and coughed it up,
coughed it out really violently, and it just came out.
And then I sorry snorted it down because I quite
a heavy cold, and it's something stuck in you know,
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in the back of your nose, which is not quite
in your lungs, you know, it just in those trackial passages,
and I just coughed it out with a really gentle
was on the side of the washbasin, and it was
a great big blood clot with a dot like a
seed in the middle. And I had a mania to
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flush it down with loads and loads of water and
it went into the septic tank. This is something that
I actually took leave of my senses for the time,
but a lot of people have said this when they
eject these things, or when they cough the mouse, which
they occasionally, very occasionally do, maybe they only do it
once in a lifetime. They have an insane compulsion, an
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urgent compulsion to get rid of it, to flush it
down the toilet into the sewage system. And I can
only think that they have been told to do that
in advance, that if you get a coffee out, get
rid of it, and this is implanted in your mind,
is something you should do. But this particular one, they
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it's when a septic tank. They obviously realized that some
point within the one or two shit happened. Sorry, sorry,
They obviously realized that it hadn't stopped transmitting for some reason,
so they replaced it about but it was about eight
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weeks after rejection that they another abduction followed. And I
knew they replaced it because the first time that the
blood was coming down both nostrils for about twenty four hours,
only very gently after the first hour or two, but
it was nevertheless, you could stick you know, could roll
a beast piece of tissue pepper up and stick it
up and get them bloody, bloody on both sides. And
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it was fine for eight weeks, and then they replaced it.
And I know they replaced it because of the I
could feel it, and I could feel that the nostrils
were bleeding again, and it was obvious that they put
it back, so they knew that the thing had been
ejected and they decided to put it back or a
new a new, new one.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, let's go back to you know, you said, you know,
you know that they put it back. What do you
remember about them putting it back? What was set the scene?
What do you remember how you went to bed, how
you woke up?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You know? Yeah, well how I woke up. I could
I knew I had a real pain in the in
this top of the nasal pharronx where the crib reform plates.
It's where the old actually nerve goes into the brain
through the crypt form place.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I don't think I've got that part of my brain.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
You have it, you have it, You're you're gonna have it.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So I.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Was feeling quite irritable because you know, this is often happens.
And I wake up after an abduction and I the
nose that it just felt really sore. And just as
an experiment, I took a piece of tissue paper and
rolled it up into a little pointy thing and I
just pushed it up gently, and there's blood on it.
And I inverted it and the clean end was up
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and I pushed up put it, pushed it on the
other side and it was bloody too, and it bled
for most of the day. So somebody had been operating
on this area overnight and something was something was put there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, I I remember having nose bleached as a child.
I don't remember having them so much as I got older.
I've never really looked into me and Roger. I got
to meet Roger a few times and we spoke about
something that I may have, but I've looked into it
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since on my leg and it isn't That doesn't mean
to say that I don't have anything in me. I
mean I totally get what you mean about the different
frequencies as a transmitter, because I hear those frequencies all
bloody day, So I should imagine I've got them point
but in north southeast and west going on because do
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you have a Oh, yeah, I've gotten both of them
both ears.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah. Are they different pictures? Mmm?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, it's well, it's yet they can change frequency so
they can get really right. Okay, so I have one
that's I can hear now, even with ear phones on,
I can hear it. It's a very high pitched frequency.
Or then I can get one that will just mainly
go into this ear. The other day, sitting down on
the sofa, all of a sudden, it was just like
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this big goes straight into my out of absolutely nowhere.
Then this total eye pitch noise to the point of
I do suffer from tonightas which. But now the more
I think about it, the more sort of like everyone's
having this huge awakening within the sort of experiences daily life.
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I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, I've got to listen more
to it. It used to annoy the hell out of me.
It doesn't annoy me. Now I actually accept it, and
I actually quite like it. Oh my god. So you know,
it's like bringing really loud in this one right now,
as ah, but I kind of like it. So what,
whatever it's doing, I'm just going with it. It's nothing,
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it's not it's not upsetting me. It doesn't disrupt my day,
I mean, so.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, also, it could be a hormonal thing. I'm
at that age, you know when they put that down.
They put it down to the hormonal thing as well.
But they can put it down to lots of things
working with heavy machinery, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, classically is is when you're exposed to a loud
noise for a long period of sounds like an occupation,
occupational thing, we're we're working with noisy machinery or music industry, Yes,
the music industry. People who have spent a lot of
time on stage with very powerful amplifiers. Yeah, sometimes get
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it first. I like tonight seeds very very difficult to
get rid of it, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I actually really like it's a it's a part of
my life, and I really enjoy having it. If it didn't,
then it would be I would miss it. Actually, So
something obviously very positive is going on somewhere there.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So to come back to the shells of these things
that you know that they're the one that is analyzing
the book is at a shell woven of hemociderin, protein,
coagulum and keratin. Keratin is most of your your audience
will know is the main constituents of hair and nails,
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and you don't really find it deep inside the body.
The hair and nails grow quite close to the surface
and they grow out outwards. So that's what keratin is,
and that's the only place it's found in the human
body is in the hair and nails. Hemocyderin assistant in
the body's clotting mechanism and mechanism it works with the
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bodies from besites and protein coagulum is to do is
tissue respiration. Again, it's a lifeblood ingredient to So these
three materials are woven together in a kind of matrix
around the core of this thing. So I suspect that
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the these are taken from the abductee with a scoop
mark tissue and woven in some way. I mean, they've
we've got obviously get sophisticated gunetic engineering to make this
implants immune to ejection from the body's immune system. So
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it's it's to kind of fool the body. And so
thinking this is its own, its own organ its own tissue,
its own.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So can I ask then on a personal level then,
because I have to, because it is personal when you
are about to experience something, do you have a build
up to the situation? I certainly do. Do you have
a build up?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah? Sometimes I do and sometimes I just get surprised
at you know. And by the following morning and I
woke up two years ago in October with the and
I felt really something weird was going on, and I
felt my hand this this part of the thumb was
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wet and it was the rumors really dark. So I
got up out of bed when it's the kitchen was
just next door, and there's one of those triangular triangular
three dots in it in an equalatural triangle that you've
you've got something similar to that somewhere. It was on
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the thumb.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I'm gone now when I had the experience, and.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
It bled for and I didn't have a presence of
mind because I was really dozing, really sleepy, and I thought,
what the hell is that you can't get three precisely
spaced equilateral points puncture points when you're sleeping in bed
with a soft matter, as seems just not exactly. So
I didn't have a presence of mind to photograph. And
by the time I remembered, or you know, kind of thought,
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I should have photographed it and scammed over and it
was on one triangular scabbard formed over it. So there
there are indicators like that, but normally. I just feel
the next day that I would I was didn't sleep
as well as I should have done, and I feel
kind of irritable, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Know the irritable spots it straight away. Yeah, well the
white Janet would.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Did you have something that happened last night? I said,
I have no idea?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, well, because your mind is elsewhere,
that's why, elsewhere trying to calculate everything and do a
sort of like a Columbo sort of like returning to
the scene of the crime, so to speak, you know,
like what could have happened? Okay, So so then is
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there anything sort of quite challenging that you thought that?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, can I just go through this again, because it's
kind of interesting. Apart from the shells, there's nerve appropriate
receptors sticking out of this device that they're things that
only normally happen in the propropriate receptors. They're found in
the fingertips, in the mouth and lips area, and in
the genitals that where they've got hyper sensitive. So in
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these little objects, the nerve propriy receptors are living parts
of the of the cells that are somehow integrated into it.
So that means they're they're there to s to be
highly sensitive to stuff from inside the body because the
implant is inside the body. There's a core. There was
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a core of iron, nickel, and a whole host of
other things including gold, silver, and platinum and iridium, which
is even rareer than platinum. It's very rarely found. So
if these these little elements, I think there's nine different
elements in this tiny little thing, which is why why
would they engineer nine different elements in it?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Quite interesting that let's call them beings, Okay, it's quite
interesting that they're very very interesting in what we have
on this planet. They're very interesting what we mind. They're
very interesting in places where we quarry or you know,
or where we mine, and a lot of the sightings
are seen there. So you know, also as in one
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of Preston's and It's podcasts on on on his channel
on YouTube, you know graveyards as well. You know, UFOs
and beings been seen graveyards. People are buried with all
of their gold and various.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Things that particularly if you're a Viking, maybe not so
much nowadays.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, well god knows what's underneath England Islands and Scotland's
not America at the moment, but well actually some but England.
I am in Scotland, Welsh. You know, it's underneath underneath us.
But yeah, there's loads of reports of them over graveyards,
which I found totally fascinating. And when you sort of
kind of put all the pieces together, you think, oh
my god, that kind of makes sense, you know, which
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is yeah, you know, you know all the factors of
all of the of the metals.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Mak it's possible that that might even be something to
do with the afterlife for the spirits hanging around you,
hanging around the location after they departed.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, no, they're they're they're UFO sightings. People reporting UFO
sightings at graveyards and beings at graveyards going over grade.
Yeah you all, I'll send you that link on the episode.
It's absolutely fascinating. So is there anything else to finish
off with with the employment.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
There is one more thing.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That have you had that X ray now again? Now
you said that you've had it put back in you
you don't want to look into that.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
It's not that I don't want to, there's there's reasons
for it. It's to the National Health service and get
getting your GP to recognize that that you know, it's
it's a thing, is that they should be concerned about
to get an extra.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
There is there is, there is avenues that have opened
up now for people, you know with trauma for it.
I can put a link well I don't know all
the references to it now.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
That would be interesting, not just for me, but potentially
for many members.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Of Oh yeah, no, totally. Yeah, it's something Colligent ted
Row put it together. There's quite a few people involved.
He's got lots of medical people. So if like, if
you're trauma that you can go u a P.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Is it the up Medical Coalition or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Absolutely, thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, so I was interviewed by somebody at the European
Medical Coalition of about six months ago. Somebody called and yeah,
but one question ron Western put me onto them or
put them onto me? Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I think it's fantastic. It's a fantastic thing to be
brought into the medical field. But I know that when
I when I came back from America and my hair
was falling out, and my doctor I told him that
I had a very close UFO encounter and he My
medication was for radiation, and it's on my medical records.
(30:28):
You know, if anything that had happened to thought about
my encounters.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
So high loves of radiation were actually measured, what with
the Gorse meter or something or.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't know. I was being treated for it medically.
I remember being given tablets for it. I was also
going through a lot of headaches as well. That's one
thing I did suffer as I was having my abductions
in Exeter was horrendous headaches. So I wasn't getting the
nosebleeds that I remember, but I was getting the headaches.
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The headaches would just literally shut me off and not
want make me think and then boom, then I'd have
another encounter. It was to kind of slow me down
and not to remember right yet at that moment in
time what I needed to what I wanted to remember.
They weren't allowing me to remember until future date. But yeah,
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so people, you know, you know in your list of
you know, you know, are you an experiencer in your book?
You know, there are other factors that that you know,
we don't take all of the boxes. And yet then
there'll be someone that will come out with something totally different,
and we have to actually have you know what, okay,
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fair enough, because you know there are some encounters out
there that are just absolutely off the Richter scale, and
you just think, you know, all of our encounters are
so different, so someone else is going to come in
with something very peculiar, but then more people might follow,
you know, with with that type of encounter.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
The only other thing about this, this implant analysis is
that the isotopic values of of the substances that the
the the metals were non terrestrial. Now, most of your audience,
if they've got like grade level science education, will know
what an isotopic ratio they all have. Well, each of
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each elements and periodic table has a set number of
neutrons and corresponding identical number of electrons, but the sorry
a set number of protons and the number of electrons
are identical to number of protons. But what varies is
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the number of neutrons in the in the in the
atomic nucleus and that they Trustraal iron as an example,
has a certain number of neutrons in its in its nucleus,
and terrestrial nickel as a as a certain number of neutrons,
whereas the the the proton values are always the same.
The number of neutrons can vary according to whether they
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they're there endemic to this planets, this the Earth, or
they've landed in meteorites where meteor Meteoric analysis usually reveals
you can age.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You can age in meteorite, can't you.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, But the age is more less important than the
isotopic ratio is because you know they're different. If you
if you have iron from an iron predominantly iron nickel meteorite,
the iron is very different to terrestrial iron, and the
only way you can tell the difference, well, the way
you can tell the difference in the is in the
isotopic ratio is in the nucleus. And they are all
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these things in this implant were these material and the
implants were had isotopic ratios that were non terrestrial, all
of them. So you have to say they originate from
somewhere else. They don't originate on Earth. There's no possible
way that they could have originate on Earth. That the
substances the the I mean gold gold with a different
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isotopic ratio to terrestrial gold. It's still gold, but it's
it's might be heavier or lighter, you know, well, yeah,
yes it is weight. So the atomic weight, you know,
I mean, obviously lead is you know, one of the
densest materials we have, but nonetheless, the isotopic ratios vary,
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and some lead, you know, is not so dense as
other lead, you know, depending on its origin and sometimes
really now cosmologists can say that if this substance has
an isotopic radio ratio of you know, six as an example,
rather than eight or nine, it comes from a different
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part of the galaxy. But people say, you only a place,
a part of the galaxy with regular supernovae could produce
this material. And these materials in the implants were non terrestrial,
demonstrably non terrestrial. So that kicks the thing right in
to touch the idea that they're just pieces of glass or.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
In context, this is this is in your book, But
this isn't about your implant.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
This is because your this one, this one is not.
But what Roger is I had to yeah, I had
to go to to dark Sound nano technology and and
you know, talk to Steve Combone about this, and you know, so.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Alien in the scalpel, that's it, That's what Rogers aliens.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
The alien Aliens and the scalpel.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That's right, I do have it. Rogers kind of find it.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
It was originally published by the National Institute of Discovery Science,
Bobbielow's organization.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
In excuse me, interesting was I didn't know that. I
didn't know that Roger was friends with Bob Okay, he.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
And Darryl Sims were invited to be his headquarters by
John Alexander was working with at the time. Yeah, this
is before below bought the skin Walker Ranch.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And yeah, well he was highly involved back then anyway,
way before he bought skin Walker Ranch. Okay, so okay,
off topic of implants, because we want people to be
able to sleep at night, and anyone that hasn't always
can't always just to say, haang on a minute, this
is I've been abducted, because it could be just for
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medical reasons. In your book, in you talk about all
the different facts of maybe being an experiencer. Now, when
you started, you know, obviously you had an encounter as
a child. You we spoke about in chapter chapter one,
and we spoke about in part one. It was about
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you waking up very early on a Sunday morning totally
out of out of out of you shouldn't have been
doing it because it was your one lie in on
a bike to a to a building.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
It was a Saturday built.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I was it a Saturday, So I thought Sunday on
a Saturday to you know, to a building, a disused
building that was being built, and then you saw a
craft at the window. So can I ask, then, any
other encounters that you have had that you recollect that
you just or is there actually now I'm going to
(37:48):
change out a question. Is there anything that has happened
in any of your encounters that you just I mean,
because I got a couple that you just think I
don't know about this. It's just it's just it doesn't
fit into a category. You know, it's absolute high strangeness.
You know it's something to do with upstairs, but it's
just totally thrown you. You meant, well them upstairs. We're
(38:14):
not talking past loved ones now, we're talking but saying
that I do believe, and I had this private conversation
with you, I do believe that they are all connected.
Our past ones that pass away do assist with other beings. Now,
whether everyone's going to say Bridget you're absolutely off your
friggin rocker No, I totally believe that once they pass away,
they are all on that realm as well, that they
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can interact with beings as well. Our parents and our
family do so you know that have passed away. So
I'm totally on that on that wave LB. But is
there anything that digress? Is there anything that you have
had experienced and you just thought, do you know what?
I haven't got a clue. You've scratched your head and
you've tried to trying to work it out. Still, I
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don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Maybe there is. I've got to think about that, and
I may not be able to answer with it within
a minute or two. I've got to think about the DP.
What I've recorded and out of time was in the
chapter one, which is quite long, is a series of
standouts experiences from infancy to adulthood where they ought to
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have taught me that this was going on. What was
responsible for all the weirdness was this phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
So we'll bring it in that it is family related
as well as your mum and your grandma as well.
So yeah, go back when.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
That implant, cough out that implant.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
In two thousand and six, I took a business trips
out Sardinia, and I took my girlfriend with you at
the time, and a business partner from Holland was We
were meeting a supplier in a town in southwestern Sardinia
called the Iglesias, which means churches in English. And we
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had a rental car and we drove it up to
a town called Bosa, near the air where my business
colleague had a flight back to Amisdam next morning. And
we got there quite late in the evening, about quarters
to twelve, and we turned in and I woke up.
(40:30):
We'd agreed to get up at seven o'clock in the
morning because we had to leave to get my business
partner to his Amsterdam flight, and the only way he
could get there was in the rental car, so we
were going going to take him. I woke up at
seven point thirty, that's half an hour after the after
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we'd agreed to our uncle. Alarm clocks had been set
and we agreed to get up. No nobody really could
understand why we haven't heard the alarm or they had
it worked that that that I woke up to see
right in front of me in the hotel room, two
small gray aliens and between the between the two of
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these aliens. One of them had a kind of thing
in its hand. Loo looked like a letter H thing
like a like a but with like a wire of
eight shaped long thin.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
H shaped like you're going to do cattle, like you're
going to burn cattle at the well.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah, it looked looked more like a you know, like
a like an exotic car area from nineteen seventies and
instead of one, you know, the telescope up.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, but that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
It was in hand. And the other alien it didn't
have anything in his hand. So between these two was
my father, and I thought, because he died three years earlier,
I thought he was probably I was visit as seeing
a vision of him that coming back to say, everything's fine, Steve,
you know, don't worry where I am is fine. What
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I found very difficult to grasp at the time was
these ugly bug eyed aliens because I not really acknowledged
that the action, the abduction thing was, you know, the
phenomenal was happening to me at that time, and I
really ought to have because I didn't look into it
that much. I really ought to have tweeked this and
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I did. I did work it out within a year
of this incident. But and he said to me this
image of my dad. He said to me, it's time
to go, Steve. And it was only much later when
I got to know David Jacobs and we were working together,
he said, Oh, that's what they always say when when
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they're they're they want to say goodbye to you, they
always say it is time to go.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, that's what you say, say politely when you are
leaving somewhere. Anyway, they've got that from us.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
What happened was, you know, there was a kind of
shimmering and they the room was quite dark, but it
wasn't completely dark because the sun was actually up because
it's it was and Sardinia in I think it was
in May, so it's light, you know, quite early. Yeah,
but at that time in the morning, I think the
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sun had been up for a couple of hours. And
so we we were in the hotel room with curtains,
not full length blinds as far as I remember. Anyway,
the sun was coming in kind of so I could
see these creatures and they were clear as day right
in front of me, about two meters away, three these
two of them, and my dad was in the middle.
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And what I couldn't make any sense of was if
this is an after world visitation? This has mede me
see into the afterworld? Yeah, what are those bunk eyed
creatures doing there? Are they with us? When we die?
Are we do? We all go into the same place?
As you know, extra.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Treasure that we spoke about the other day, you know,
I gave you, I gave you some references that the
personal that I did tell you. But also if you
remember when we were at Hull, Whitley was talking about
his encounter.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
And you're talking for the audience, you're talking about the
OLM conference in September this year.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, the whole conference that we all met up at.
So Whitley was on stage and he was talking about
an encounter with a moth. The moth and Ann it
had related. It was related to his wife Ann Now
and he actually said the same thing, and I just
couldn't stop clapping. I was the only one that clapped.
(44:53):
It was totally silent because I totally agreed with him.
Like what I've just said earlier on the podcast, I
know that our past wor are totally connected to them
upstairs totally. It's just a way like you said that
your dad was there. Now we could talk screen memories.
You know, it could be that's to you know, calm
you down. You're seeing someone there that's familiar to you
(45:14):
in the midst of something extraordinary. But even though it
isn't extraordinary because you've had these encounters before, you know,
it's sort of like it just calms you down that
little bit more. Or it was your father is there
because he you know, it goes back on the vibration
again and frequency. You know. I totally believe it is connected.
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They are connected past loved ones with beings that they
do assist in something as well. Not that I've heard
of any stories that when people go to craft and
they see their family up there. I haven't heard that,
but I do believe that them that have passed, there's
an energetic sort of uh sort of energet what's the world?
(46:01):
I want to work word an energetic sort of I
can't think of the word. Just an energetic sort of
compatibility that they just assist together with with us, because
I know that I've had experienced that with them, with
my parents passing away and beings as well. Very clever,
(46:25):
very clever. And then then let's call let's put let's
do a spinal tap, you know, like, let's change it
to eleven now, because it's like if it wasn't high strangeness,
then then it's bloody as now you put your parents
involved eleven Yeah, yeah, yeah, this goes up eleven. Yeah,
(46:48):
it is lovely. So as a personal because we haven't
got long, we have like seven minutes left personal over
a personal view of like your involvement in this, where
do you see yourself going?
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Do you want to do conferences? Do you want to
do another book?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Yeah? Well, I'm involved in writing a second book with
a molecular biologist from Germany. The university doctorate in Germany
was making a substantial contribution to it, and we're going
to be co authors. And I think this book will
appear in in twenty twenty five. But after that, I
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don't know. I mean, I've been invited to speak in
at a number of places, including the women's institutes, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Which is I know, I think that's profinitely. Oh you've
got to put your little story in about your neighbor
that came up to your house. You've got to say
that that's a fantastic little story.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Yeah, I was he's a substantial landowner with a big
acreage of farm.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Sixt minute, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
And I was chatting Tom of the garden fence one
day and he said, Steve, if you're right, you've written
a book about aliens. And I said, yeah, do you
want to do you want to have a copy? Oh yeah,
I like to read that. So I gave it to him.
I loaned it to him, you know. And about three
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weeks later, on a Saturday morning, Janis wasn't here. Actually
she's gone to the monastery in Hertfordshire. So I was
here on my arm with the dog, and this guy
came and rang a doorbell and I said, oh, it's Charles,
excuse me, which should mention his name and out the
door and he said can I come on? I said yeah, sure,
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and he holding the book in his hand and he's
put put it down the kitchen table. He said, ask
you about this these human looking ones. I don't really
see that how that works, you know. So we had
this long dialogue about about a hybrid program with the
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farmer in Lincolnshire, and I had no idea he was
interest in this subject. It's all the.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Thing is, you don't have to even be interested. You've
just got to have one spark of intellect to think.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
You've always been interested in UFOs as a as a
anonymous phenomenon, you know, agriculture, because when you're dealing with
farmers who are out about early and later in all exactly,
they see things, you know, they see things other people
don't necessarily see because they're indoors all the time.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, absolutely, I couldn't agree more. But what's really
nice is because people are just generally interested because it's
the neighbor, you know, whether it's to go back to
the local ladies or in the pub the gossip. But
you know, you're actually having an intellectual point of view
backwards and forth as someone over the coffee table, you know,
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in quaint, little English, little village, which is great. That's
what I need.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
About fifteen months ago, Janas and I visited a woman
I've dealt with for fifteen years and the finance sector.
I have my business. She was helping me sorting out
the finances and I went. Then we sat in the kitchen.
She's semi retired, she's not even forty yet. And I
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got to my copy out of Time Out and I said,
ILike happens. You know, this is what I've been doing
with myself the last few years. Yea, And she said,
she looked at it, she looked at the back cover,
and she looked through it, and she looked. She looked
at me and said, I wish you'd told me about
this when we were working together all those years. We
could have had such interesting conversations. I never knew you
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were into this stuff. So the most surprising people respond
very positively, they do to this subject because they're really
intrigued by.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
It, more so now, more so now it wasn't you know,
it wasn't twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
People kind of think it's.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
We're quite trendy now, Steve, We're quite trendly.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Parish of thought bridges.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
They will be run in to us, picking up the folks.
Can I ask you a question? Yes? Like, hang on
a second, join a list of questions to ask? You know,
the answers have we We just can only go by
our experiences.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
We have three left, Yeah, three minutes left, So just
actually actually give s a over a view of your book.
And I just say it's for the more open minded
approach to the UFO phenomena it's it's great for skeptics
and also to the experiences to consider reading as well,
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because I know for me it's stirred up a lot
of things.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
For me, it's an analysis of the abduction phenomenon. What
it is, and I've tried to describe what it is
taken outside just just my experiences, is actually going on
in one minute, So it's it's it's an analysis of
the abduction phenomenon and what I think. It's all about
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how many abdipties in the population, why they're doing, what
the generational components is all about, and so forth.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
I mean, listen, I think I think whatever you've put
down what the population is forget that because it's absolutely
absolutely out of the water. Is like, it is just
going to be ridiculous when when things start to happen
and people start really recalling a lot more than they
should do. Right, where can people go to to get
in touch with your book? Which is I have here.
(52:43):
It's quite heavy, it's absolutely beautiful and it's got if
you like if you love hardbacks, it's got beautiful field
at the heart.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Well, you can get out of Time Book dot info
out of Time Book Dot.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I will put that on the lane.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Or go to the Amazon and google Google out of time, Steve,
and you see the cover, the white cover with a
tractful image on it.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Racy, racy if you can hear us, how's Congress going?
He's busy on it, right, Okay, it's earlier in the.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Day there, very very typical, is it?
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Is it? Babe? Well okay, well, I'm just going, well,
is it? It's less exciting as watching mister Trump. But yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
It's more like watching curling.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
We call it, but don't we call it balls here?
Speaker 5 (53:40):
You know about curling? No, cooling is what what you
do on ice, generally big stones that you skate on
the ice with a brush, brushing the ice.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
That's right, that's right, that's cooling. Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
I should imagine.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
The most exciting sports.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Well, listen, I was going to put the other one.
I was going to put the other one of us
back in Leeds, which was in twenty eleven, but I
didn't think I should, Steve, So I just thought, that's myself,
your lovely wife Janice, and yourself. That's no. Hell yeah,
not that long ago, was it.
Speaker 5 (54:23):
So that's one of your first graphs on your camera.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah, well off, well, yeah, yeah, yes it is. Yeah.
I say that because my other one broke, so I
had to take another camera with me. But yeah, did
I send that one to you?
Speaker 5 (54:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Oh okay, I shall send that one to you. Yeah,
put that on the whole Hall of shame of us.
All right, listen, guys, I would like to say a
big thank you to Steve Asman for coming back on
and we are going to be doing the part three
because there is absolutely a great debate that we are
going to be doing that he did with Chris French,
and we know that we want to bring in Chris
(54:59):
French to the scene at some point anyway, being a skeptic.
Speaker 5 (55:03):
I want to have him as a guest.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Bloody well do too, right I do? And yeah, totally.
You know I went on this morning the TV show
and he was there. I was with Gary Hesseltine and him.
So I've been trying to be in a live by him.
It's like, no, thank you very much. And you're the
same with yourself. So we are going to be doing
a part three with you, Steve, and you're going to
talk to us about the university where you where you
(55:30):
both debated. So thank yeah, thank you ever so much
guys for being on the show, and thank you ever
so much Steve for being on the show on the
Naked Troop, and I will see you soon and tomorrow's
guest will be a surprise, all right, Take it easy, guys,
Bye from me, Bye from Steve.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Good night, Sachachacha
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Pach
Yeah, now I'm gonna I'm well, I'm up the ride
(00:29):
and real mine and welcome to the Naked Truth.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And now your host Bridget bar Clash.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good evening and good morning to absolutely everybody that is
listening and tuning into the Naked Truth. My guest is
a Steve Aspin. This is going to be a part
two and it is regarding his book called Out of Time.
So I'm just going to give you a little gentle intro.
Steve's book is a deep personal account exploring Steve's longtime
(01:12):
experiences with the unexplained phenomena, particularly UFO encounters and abductions.
It's not just about sharing the stories, but it's about
trying to make sense of what's happened to him over
the decades. He's offering a first hand look into the
emotional and psychological toll of these experiences that it has
had on him. Steve dives into a broader content of
(01:34):
the UFO phenomena, drawing connections between his personal experiences and
a wider pattern reported with other experiences. This reflects on
the cultural, historical, and scientificate implications part of me of
these events, providing a broader commentary of what might be
happening to us and why. One of the core themes
(01:56):
of this explanation is what it means to be an experiencer.
Steve delves into the nature of these accounts and encounters
and the trauma that often leaves behind, and the challenges
of sharing such experiences in a world that can be
skeptical or dismissive. But that's going to be for part three.
So we are part two. Steve Aspin, Are you here please? Yes,
(02:19):
I'm here, Hello, Steve. Nice to see you back. All right,
YEA took right. Part one was last week, So this
is going to be our part two, and it is
about your book out of time. I have read a
little bit more, not as much as I should have done,
(02:41):
but this is for you to have the time now
to draw in people, skeptics and non skeptics, and experiences
into our circle of trust and your reflections and your
experiences regarding them. So let's start with last week we
(03:05):
were talking about the scars and we were talking about implants.
Would you like to continue from there onwards?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Sure. We talked about some hair recovered from an abduction event.
Just a quick word about that. The hair samples we
discovered in our house and on the patio outside on
the other side of the garden doors. What my wife
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discovered the day after the events were sent to microtrace
LLC in Illinois, and they also had a hair to
analyze from another abductee in California. I don't know this abductee,
but the hair she had was longer than the two
we found in our house, and it was brown. And
(03:55):
they turned out to be similar in some respects, but
radically different in the obvious respect that two wereond, blonde,
light colored, and one was already died. Okay, because Brett's
dyed brown. So the full analysis of these hairs and
(04:18):
what they actually are and you know, and how we
can prove what they are is in the book, but
that I would spoil it for people people if they
haven't read that chapter, because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So when you say dyed, as in it had been dyed,
the hair had been dyed. So like if I dyed
my hair brown, it had been dyed. Yes, exactly interesting
because if we go back to part one, one of
the beings that you had seen did have brown hair,
and then also you had another being that you had
seen that had white hair, right, Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Much, Yeah, yeah, it's so. The other thing that it
pertains to the physical evidence is the implants that we
find that abductees sometimes find, or medical professionals find on
X rays. That these implants, if you're those members of
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your audience who are very into this subject, will probably
know that they do vary somewhat in the location that
and that they're placed, and in what they look like.
Some of them are like spiral like springs, some of
them are like rods, and some of them are like
little seeds, seed shaped things. They they're put in the
(05:40):
olfactory where the old factory nerve enters the brain through
the crib reform plate just here, or sometimes in the
ears which are accessed excuse me, through the snow doral
sinuses pass.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And what you said about scoop marks, that basically that
they could be they could be taking our tissue samples
and then coating it around the implants. So then it
then it is an It acts as like an anti
inflammatory that it wouldn't reject. And I hadn't thought about
(06:17):
that until til after year.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah, well, we haven't definitely proved that, but Whitley Streeber
and I both came to that when we were discussing
it about a year ago, and he was staying here
with us in Lincolnshire a couple of weeks backs in
the middle of September.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
When we all met at Hell Yeah, Whity came back
out after that and we continued that discussion.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
So when you get a little splinter in your tissue,
like in new finger, if you're chopping ward or something
or working with wood, sometimes you get a little splinter
in your finger and if you don't get it out,
difficult to remove it. The skin gets inflamed. So after
a day, at most day, it turns tender, it goes red,
(07:11):
it gets swells up a little bit, and it gets
really really tender, really sore. That's your immune system, bodies
immune system responding to the presence of a foreign object,
trying to isolate it and eject it from the body.
With these implants, sometimes that about the size of seed
like wheat seeds or even smaller, and they are found
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in the tissue, beneath the surface of the skin, beneath
the epidermis, in the tissue somewhere, and there's never any
inflammatory response to them. So that means that the body
does not recognize it as a foreign object. It does
not recognize it as a hostile invader, and it doesn't
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try and eject it. And the only reason the body's
immune system would have that response or lack of response
is if the body's immune system that the t cells
recognize the objects as part of its own sellular structure.
And one of the things that aductees often reports, and
(08:17):
that they've been photographed and sampled many many times as
these scoop mark scars adults to find out after abduction events,
and they never completely healed it because they're quite deep.
They're quite deep, and you're we showed one last week
in the previous podcast, but there's many many examples of
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these photographed over the years in the books. So what
we think is they use the tissue from these scoop marks,
which they take. It's obviously the tensions to take a
tissue sample, so.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They can take any any any tissue sample from what
they do to us, whether it be in eternal, but.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They take a chunk of your physical flesh that off
from the surface, which is they usually take it from
an area like the back of the shoulder or the
back of the knee or the back of the thighs
where abduct tees routinely don't look.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, that's what that's what. Mine is literally on the
side of my thigh and it is literally like you've
got your finger and you've literally scooped this. And I
do recall, I do recall the incident when I six seven.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, the reason we speculate about this for years and
years as to why they would do this. You know
what they wanted the sample tissue for sort of so
much of it. You know, they're not just so little
group of cells which that you could get with a
little spatula or a syringe. We think it's possible that
they use the tissue, or they they replicate the tissue
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or clone it, or used as some technique like PCR
polymarized chain reaction to reproduce, reproduce the cells in some
way to coach these implants so that the body doesn't
recognize it it's how foreign, and doesn't reject it, doesn't
try and eject it from the the the you know,
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the tissues. So that makes a lot of sense sense
to me, and that, you know, Wickley thinks that, and
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's can I ask them, is there anything that you
haven't explored then that you wanted to put into the
book to do with medical anything medical.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Is there probably is many many things that haven't explored.
But you know, I went with the things that I'd
investigated and looked at, and we've had tests and analyte
forensically analyzed different laboratories, and you know, the the the
results of those analyses are all in the book or
(10:56):
particularly in the appendices, but they're summarized woven into the story,
and particularly in chapter four, which is called physical evidence.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I mean, I mean, you can be open minded
and you can be skeptical, but if the evidence is
there in the fact that you've gone to you've literally
I mean it's like a mad person in many ways
that you have to, don't you. I mean, you know
you do. You have to for your own personal madness
(11:26):
sort of Richter scale. You have to make sure that
you go and work with the best of the best people.
You have to make sure that you go and work
with the laporatories. You have to make sure that you
connect with all of the right people, because I mean,
you go.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
To the level that you can reach and to people
who have got the time and expertise to work with
you and you know, there's not many people are available
to do that. I mean, I'd really like to, you know,
get to know Gary Milan a lot better because he's
immersed in this very high level and he's he's got
electron microscopy and everything that the implants that's analyzed in
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the book is was a excuse me, I'm just try
and get it. It is a little seed shaped thing
that was removed by Roger Lear.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I'm going to ask you about Roger. Yeah, well, when
did you go to see Roger?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I'd met him at Gaithersburg at a conference in two
thousand and nine and again in twenty ten. Steve Bassett
used to used to put a big, big conference on
in the Gaithersburg Hill Hotel in those years. He doesn't
do any anymore because each time he spent twenty grand
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upfront and it was getting expensive rogers to attended those.
He was he was extracting implants from adductees from nineteen
ninety four or five ninety five for nineteen years until
twenty fourteen when he died. He died it to just
(13:09):
a couple of weeks shy of his eightieth birthday in
twenty fourteen, but during in two thousand and nine. He
removed this implant from a guy called Steve Colburn, or
there's a pseudonym used in the paper, but his Colburn's
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company is called Dark Start Nanotechnology LC, and they're based
in southern California, and they've got a ton of really
high tech equipment like electron microscopy, which electron microscopes are
north of a million dollars for a good one, and
he uses electron. He used electron microscopy and a number
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of other very high tech procedures to analyze this thing.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And what as they do dissolved don't know the ones
says taken out. Lots of things can actually apparently happen Roger.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
This particular one, I don't I haven't gone a detailed
analysis of another in the book. This particular one emitted
radio waves in three separate frequency bands.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It sounds right, though, that's exactly what that's We have
the well in the hurts, Mega hurts and kill killer hurts.
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah. So the thing is, when they're removed from the abductee,
within about fourteen days, they stop sending radio waves. They
just stop and well, rather in the body they're always
doing it. So there's something about when they when they
they when they're they're removed from the bodily tissue, they
know that they're removed or they're switched off somehow because
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they stop emitting the radio waves. The shell is woven.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
We've dropped our tracker. We've dropped our tracker.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Well exactly. Yeah, what happened to me in twenty twenty
two when they I got rid of this one one
up there. I just really sneezed it and coughed it up,
coughed it out really violently, and it just came out.
And then I sorry snorted it down because I quite
a heavy cold, and it's something stuck in you know,
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in the back of your nose, which is not quite
in your lungs, you know, it just in those trackial passages,
and I just coughed it out with a really gentle
was on the side of the washbasin, and it was
a great big blood clot with a dot like a
seed in the middle. And I had a mania to
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flush it down with loads and loads of water and
it went into the septic tank. This is something that
I actually took leave of my senses for the time,
but a lot of people have said this when they
eject these things, or when they cough the mouse, which
they occasionally, very occasionally do, maybe they only do it
once in a lifetime. They have an insane compulsion, an
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urgent compulsion to get rid of it, to flush it
down the toilet into the sewage system. And I can
only think that they have been told to do that
in advance, that if you get a coffee out, get
rid of it, and this is implanted in your mind,
is something you should do. But this particular one, they
(16:27):
it's when a septic tank. They obviously realized that some
point within the one or two shit happened. Sorry, sorry,
They obviously realized that it hadn't stopped transmitting for some reason,
so they replaced it about but it was about eight
(16:50):
weeks after rejection that they another abduction followed. And I
knew they replaced it because the first time that the
blood was coming down both nostrils for about twenty four hours,
only very gently after the first hour or two, but
it was nevertheless, you could stick you know, could roll
a beast piece of tissue pepper up and stick it
up and get them bloody, bloody on both sides. And
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it was fine for eight weeks, and then they replaced it.
And I know they replaced it because of the I
could feel it, and I could feel that the nostrils
were bleeding again, and it was obvious that they put
it back, so they knew that the thing had been
ejected and they decided to put it back or a
new a new, new one.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, let's go back to you know, you said, you know,
you know that they put it back. What do you
remember about them putting it back? What was set the scene?
What do you remember how you went to bed, how
you woke up?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You know? Yeah, well how I woke up. I could
I knew I had a real pain in the in
this top of the nasal pharronx where the crib reform plates.
It's where the old actually nerve goes into the brain
through the crypt form place.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I don't think I've got that part of my brain.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
You have it, you have it, You're you're gonna have it.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So I.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Was feeling quite irritable because you know, this is often happens.
And I wake up after an abduction and I the
nose that it just felt really sore. And just as
an experiment, I took a piece of tissue paper and
rolled it up into a little pointy thing and I
just pushed it up gently, and there's blood on it.
And I inverted it and the clean end was up
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and I pushed up put it, pushed it on the
other side and it was bloody too, and it bled
for most of the day. So somebody had been operating
on this area overnight and something was something was put there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, I I remember having nose bleached as a child.
I don't remember having them so much as I got older.
I've never really looked into me and Roger. I got
to meet Roger a few times and we spoke about
something that I may have, but I've looked into it
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since on my leg and it isn't That doesn't mean
to say that I don't have anything in me. I
mean I totally get what you mean about the different
frequencies as a transmitter, because I hear those frequencies all
bloody day, So I should imagine I've got them point
but in north southeast and west going on because do
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you have a Oh, yeah, I've gotten both of them
both ears.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah. Are they different pictures? Mmm?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, it's well, it's yet they can change frequency so
they can get really right. Okay, so I have one
that's I can hear now, even with ear phones on,
I can hear it. It's a very high pitched frequency.
Or then I can get one that will just mainly
go into this ear. The other day, sitting down on
the sofa, all of a sudden, it was just like
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this big goes straight into my out of absolutely nowhere.
Then this total eye pitch noise to the point of
I do suffer from tonightas which. But now the more
I think about it, the more sort of like everyone's
having this huge awakening within the sort of experiences daily life.
(20:30):
I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, I've got to listen more
to it. It used to annoy the hell out of me.
It doesn't annoy me. Now I actually accept it, and
I actually quite like it. Oh my god. So you know,
it's like bringing really loud in this one right now,
as ah, but I kind of like it. So what,
whatever it's doing, I'm just going with it. It's nothing,
(20:51):
it's not it's not upsetting me. It doesn't disrupt my day,
I mean, so.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, also, it could be a hormonal thing. I'm
at that age, you know when they put that down.
They put it down to the hormonal thing as well.
But they can put it down to lots of things
working with heavy machinery, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, classically is is when you're exposed to a loud
noise for a long period of sounds like an occupation,
occupational thing, we're we're working with noisy machinery or music industry, Yes,
the music industry. People who have spent a lot of
time on stage with very powerful amplifiers. Yeah, sometimes get
(21:34):
it first. I like tonight seeds very very difficult to
get rid of it, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I actually really like it's a it's a part of
my life, and I really enjoy having it. If it didn't,
then it would be I would miss it. Actually, So
something obviously very positive is going on somewhere there.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So to come back to the shells of these things
that you know that they're the one that is analyzing
the book is at a shell woven of hemociderin, protein,
coagulum and keratin. Keratin is most of your your audience
will know is the main constituents of hair and nails,
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and you don't really find it deep inside the body.
The hair and nails grow quite close to the surface
and they grow out outwards. So that's what keratin is,
and that's the only place it's found in the human
body is in the hair and nails. Hemocyderin assistant in
the body's clotting mechanism and mechanism it works with the
(22:34):
bodies from besites and protein coagulum is to do is
tissue respiration. Again, it's a lifeblood ingredient to So these
three materials are woven together in a kind of matrix
around the core of this thing. So I suspect that
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the these are taken from the abductee with a scoop
mark tissue and woven in some way. I mean, they've
we've got obviously get sophisticated gunetic engineering to make this
implants immune to ejection from the body's immune system. So
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it's it's to kind of fool the body. And so
thinking this is its own, its own organ its own tissue,
its own.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So can I ask then on a personal level then,
because I have to, because it is personal when you
are about to experience something, do you have a build
up to the situation? I certainly do. Do you have
a build up?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah? Sometimes I do and sometimes I just get surprised
at you know. And by the following morning and I
woke up two years ago in October with the and
I felt really something weird was going on, and I
felt my hand this this part of the thumb was
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wet and it was the rumors really dark. So I
got up out of bed when it's the kitchen was
just next door, and there's one of those triangular triangular
three dots in it in an equalatural triangle that you've
you've got something similar to that somewhere. It was on
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the thumb.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I'm gone now when I had the experience, and.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
It bled for and I didn't have a presence of
mind because I was really dozing, really sleepy, and I thought,
what the hell is that you can't get three precisely
spaced equilateral points puncture points when you're sleeping in bed
with a soft matter, as seems just not exactly. So
I didn't have a presence of mind to photograph. And
by the time I remembered, or you know, kind of thought,
(24:58):
I should have photographed it and scammed over and it
was on one triangular scabbard formed over it. So there
there are indicators like that, but normally. I just feel
the next day that I would I was didn't sleep
as well as I should have done, and I feel
kind of irritable, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Know the irritable spots it straight away. Yeah, well the
white Janet would.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Did you have something that happened last night? I said,
I have no idea?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, well, because your mind is elsewhere,
that's why, elsewhere trying to calculate everything and do a
sort of like a Columbo sort of like returning to
the scene of the crime, so to speak, you know,
like what could have happened? Okay, So so then is
(25:59):
there anything sort of quite challenging that you thought that?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, can I just go through this again, because it's
kind of interesting. Apart from the shells, there's nerve appropriate
receptors sticking out of this device that they're things that
only normally happen in the propropriate receptors. They're found in
the fingertips, in the mouth and lips area, and in
the genitals that where they've got hyper sensitive. So in
(26:26):
these little objects, the nerve propriy receptors are living parts
of the of the cells that are somehow integrated into it.
So that means they're they're there to s to be
highly sensitive to stuff from inside the body because the
implant is inside the body. There's a core. There was
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a core of iron, nickel, and a whole host of
other things including gold, silver, and platinum and iridium, which
is even rareer than platinum. It's very rarely found. So
if these these little elements, I think there's nine different
elements in this tiny little thing, which is why why
would they engineer nine different elements in it?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Quite interesting that let's call them beings, Okay, it's quite
interesting that they're very very interesting in what we have
on this planet. They're very interesting what we mind. They're
very interesting in places where we quarry or you know,
or where we mine, and a lot of the sightings
are seen there. So you know, also as in one
(27:31):
of Preston's and It's podcasts on on on his channel
on YouTube, you know graveyards as well. You know, UFOs
and beings been seen graveyards. People are buried with all
of their gold and various.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Things that particularly if you're a Viking, maybe not so
much nowadays.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, well god knows what's underneath England Islands and Scotland's
not America at the moment, but well actually some but England.
I am in Scotland, Welsh. You know, it's underneath underneath us.
But yeah, there's loads of reports of them over graveyards,
which I found totally fascinating. And when you sort of
kind of put all the pieces together, you think, oh
my god, that kind of makes sense, you know, which
(28:16):
is yeah, you know, you know all the factors of
all of the of the metals.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Mak it's possible that that might even be something to
do with the afterlife for the spirits hanging around you,
hanging around the location after they departed.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, no, they're they're they're UFO sightings. People reporting UFO
sightings at graveyards and beings at graveyards going over grade.
Yeah you all, I'll send you that link on the episode.
It's absolutely fascinating. So is there anything else to finish
off with with the employment.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
There is one more thing.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That have you had that X ray now again? Now
you said that you've had it put back in you
you don't want to look into that.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
It's not that I don't want to, there's there's reasons
for it. It's to the National Health service and get
getting your GP to recognize that that you know, it's
it's a thing, is that they should be concerned about
to get an extra.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
There is there is, there is avenues that have opened
up now for people, you know with trauma for it.
I can put a link well I don't know all
the references to it now.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
That would be interesting, not just for me, but potentially
for many members.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Of Oh yeah, no, totally. Yeah, it's something Colligent ted
Row put it together. There's quite a few people involved.
He's got lots of medical people. So if like, if
you're trauma that you can go u a P.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Is it the up Medical Coalition or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Absolutely, thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, so I was interviewed by somebody at the European
Medical Coalition of about six months ago. Somebody called and yeah,
but one question ron Western put me onto them or
put them onto me? Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I think it's fantastic. It's a fantastic thing to be
brought into the medical field. But I know that when
I when I came back from America and my hair
was falling out, and my doctor I told him that
I had a very close UFO encounter and he My
medication was for radiation, and it's on my medical records.
(30:28):
You know, if anything that had happened to thought about
my encounters.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
So high loves of radiation were actually measured, what with
the Gorse meter or something or.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't know. I was being treated for it medically.
I remember being given tablets for it. I was also
going through a lot of headaches as well. That's one
thing I did suffer as I was having my abductions
in Exeter was horrendous headaches. So I wasn't getting the
nosebleeds that I remember, but I was getting the headaches.
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The headaches would just literally shut me off and not
want make me think and then boom, then I'd have
another encounter. It was to kind of slow me down
and not to remember right yet at that moment in
time what I needed to what I wanted to remember.
They weren't allowing me to remember until future date. But yeah,
(31:23):
so people, you know, you know in your list of
you know, you know, are you an experiencer in your book?
You know, there are other factors that that you know,
we don't take all of the boxes. And yet then
there'll be someone that will come out with something totally different,
and we have to actually have you know what, okay,
(31:44):
fair enough, because you know there are some encounters out
there that are just absolutely off the Richter scale, and
you just think, you know, all of our encounters are
so different, so someone else is going to come in
with something very peculiar, but then more people might follow,
you know, with with that type of encounter.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
The only other thing about this, this implant analysis is
that the isotopic values of of the substances that the
the the metals were non terrestrial. Now, most of your audience,
if they've got like grade level science education, will know
what an isotopic ratio they all have. Well, each of
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each elements and periodic table has a set number of
neutrons and corresponding identical number of electrons, but the sorry
a set number of protons and the number of electrons
are identical to number of protons. But what varies is
(32:52):
the number of neutrons in the in the in the
atomic nucleus and that they Trustraal iron as an example,
has a certain number of neutrons in its in its nucleus,
and terrestrial nickel as a as a certain number of neutrons,
whereas the the the proton values are always the same.
The number of neutrons can vary according to whether they
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they're there endemic to this planets, this the Earth, or
they've landed in meteorites where meteor Meteoric analysis usually reveals
you can age.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You can age in meteorite, can't you.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, But the age is more less important than the
isotopic ratio is because you know they're different. If you
if you have iron from an iron predominantly iron nickel meteorite,
the iron is very different to terrestrial iron, and the
only way you can tell the difference, well, the way
you can tell the difference in the is in the
isotopic ratio is in the nucleus. And they are all
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these things in this implant were these material and the
implants were had isotopic ratios that were non terrestrial, all
of them. So you have to say they originate from
somewhere else. They don't originate on Earth. There's no possible
way that they could have originate on Earth. That the
substances the the I mean gold gold with a different
(34:19):
isotopic ratio to terrestrial gold. It's still gold, but it's
it's might be heavier or lighter, you know, well, yeah,
yes it is weight. So the atomic weight, you know,
I mean, obviously lead is you know, one of the
densest materials we have, but nonetheless, the isotopic ratios vary,
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and some lead, you know, is not so dense as
other lead, you know, depending on its origin and sometimes
really now cosmologists can say that if this substance has
an isotopic radio ratio of you know, six as an example,
rather than eight or nine, it comes from a different
(35:04):
part of the galaxy. But people say, you only a place,
a part of the galaxy with regular supernovae could produce
this material. And these materials in the implants were non terrestrial,
demonstrably non terrestrial. So that kicks the thing right in
to touch the idea that they're just pieces of glass or.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
In context, this is this is in your book, But
this isn't about your implant.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
This is because your this one, this one is not.
But what Roger is I had to yeah, I had
to go to to dark Sound nano technology and and
you know, talk to Steve Combone about this, and you know, so.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Alien in the scalpel, that's it, That's what Rogers aliens.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
The alien Aliens and the scalpel.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That's right, I do have it. Rogers kind of find it.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
It was originally published by the National Institute of Discovery Science,
Bobbielow's organization.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
In excuse me, interesting was I didn't know that. I
didn't know that Roger was friends with Bob Okay, he.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
And Darryl Sims were invited to be his headquarters by
John Alexander was working with at the time. Yeah, this
is before below bought the skin Walker Ranch.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And yeah, well he was highly involved back then anyway,
way before he bought skin Walker Ranch. Okay, so okay,
off topic of implants, because we want people to be
able to sleep at night, and anyone that hasn't always
can't always just to say, haang on a minute, this
is I've been abducted, because it could be just for
(36:53):
medical reasons. In your book, in you talk about all
the different facts of maybe being an experiencer. Now, when
you started, you know, obviously you had an encounter as
a child. You we spoke about in chapter chapter one,
and we spoke about in part one. It was about
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you waking up very early on a Sunday morning totally
out of out of out of you shouldn't have been
doing it because it was your one lie in on
a bike to a to a building.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
It was a Saturday built.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I was it a Saturday, So I thought Sunday on
a Saturday to you know, to a building, a disused
building that was being built, and then you saw a
craft at the window. So can I ask, then, any
other encounters that you have had that you recollect that
you just or is there actually now I'm going to
(37:48):
change out a question. Is there anything that has happened
in any of your encounters that you just I mean,
because I got a couple that you just think I
don't know about this. It's just it's just it doesn't
fit into a category. You know, it's absolute high strangeness.
You know it's something to do with upstairs, but it's
just totally thrown you. You meant, well them upstairs. We're
(38:14):
not talking past loved ones now, we're talking but saying
that I do believe, and I had this private conversation
with you, I do believe that they are all connected.
Our past ones that pass away do assist with other beings. Now,
whether everyone's going to say Bridget you're absolutely off your
friggin rocker No, I totally believe that once they pass away,
they are all on that realm as well, that they
(38:37):
can interact with beings as well. Our parents and our
family do so you know that have passed away. So
I'm totally on that on that wave LB. But is
there anything that digress? Is there anything that you have
had experienced and you just thought, do you know what?
I haven't got a clue. You've scratched your head and
you've tried to trying to work it out. Still, I
(39:01):
don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Maybe there is. I've got to think about that, and
I may not be able to answer with it within
a minute or two. I've got to think about the DP.
What I've recorded and out of time was in the
chapter one, which is quite long, is a series of
standouts experiences from infancy to adulthood where they ought to
(39:26):
have taught me that this was going on. What was
responsible for all the weirdness was this phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
So we'll bring it in that it is family related
as well as your mum and your grandma as well.
So yeah, go back when.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
That implant, cough out that implant.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
In two thousand and six, I took a business trips
out Sardinia, and I took my girlfriend with you at
the time, and a business partner from Holland was We
were meeting a supplier in a town in southwestern Sardinia
called the Iglesias, which means churches in English. And we
(40:10):
had a rental car and we drove it up to
a town called Bosa, near the air where my business
colleague had a flight back to Amisdam next morning. And
we got there quite late in the evening, about quarters
to twelve, and we turned in and I woke up.
(40:30):
We'd agreed to get up at seven o'clock in the
morning because we had to leave to get my business
partner to his Amsterdam flight, and the only way he
could get there was in the rental car, so we
were going going to take him. I woke up at
seven point thirty, that's half an hour after the after
(40:52):
we'd agreed to our uncle. Alarm clocks had been set
and we agreed to get up. No nobody really could
understand why we haven't heard the alarm or they had
it worked that that that I woke up to see
right in front of me in the hotel room, two
small gray aliens and between the between the two of
(41:16):
these aliens. One of them had a kind of thing
in its hand. Loo looked like a letter H thing
like a like a but with like a wire of
eight shaped long thin.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
H shaped like you're going to do cattle, like you're
going to burn cattle at the well.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah, it looked looked more like a you know, like
a like an exotic car area from nineteen seventies and
instead of one, you know, the telescope up.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, but that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
It was in hand. And the other alien it didn't
have anything in his hand. So between these two was
my father, and I thought, because he died three years earlier,
I thought he was probably I was visit as seeing
a vision of him that coming back to say, everything's fine, Steve,
you know, don't worry where I am is fine. What
(42:11):
I found very difficult to grasp at the time was
these ugly bug eyed aliens because I not really acknowledged
that the action, the abduction thing was, you know, the
phenomenal was happening to me at that time, and I
really ought to have because I didn't look into it
that much. I really ought to have tweeked this and
(42:35):
I did. I did work it out within a year
of this incident. But and he said to me this
image of my dad. He said to me, it's time
to go, Steve. And it was only much later when
I got to know David Jacobs and we were working together,
he said, Oh, that's what they always say when when
(42:55):
they're they're they want to say goodbye to you, they
always say it is time to go.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, that's what you say, say politely when you are
leaving somewhere. Anyway, they've got that from us.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
What happened was, you know, there was a kind of
shimmering and they the room was quite dark, but it
wasn't completely dark because the sun was actually up because
it's it was and Sardinia in I think it was
in May, so it's light, you know, quite early. Yeah,
but at that time in the morning, I think the
(43:30):
sun had been up for a couple of hours. And
so we we were in the hotel room with curtains,
not full length blinds as far as I remember. Anyway,
the sun was coming in kind of so I could
see these creatures and they were clear as day right
in front of me, about two meters away, three these
two of them, and my dad was in the middle.
(43:51):
And what I couldn't make any sense of was if
this is an after world visitation? This has mede me
see into the afterworld? Yeah, what are those bunk eyed
creatures doing there? Are they with us? When we die?
Are we do? We all go into the same place?
As you know, extra.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Treasure that we spoke about the other day, you know,
I gave you, I gave you some references that the
personal that I did tell you. But also if you
remember when we were at Hull, Whitley was talking about
his encounter.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
And you're talking for the audience, you're talking about the
OLM conference in September this year.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, the whole conference that we all met up at.
So Whitley was on stage and he was talking about
an encounter with a moth. The moth and Ann it
had related. It was related to his wife Ann Now
and he actually said the same thing, and I just
couldn't stop clapping. I was the only one that clapped.
(44:53):
It was totally silent because I totally agreed with him.
Like what I've just said earlier on the podcast, I
know that our past wor are totally connected to them
upstairs totally. It's just a way like you said that
your dad was there. Now we could talk screen memories.
You know, it could be that's to you know, calm
you down. You're seeing someone there that's familiar to you
(45:14):
in the midst of something extraordinary. But even though it
isn't extraordinary because you've had these encounters before, you know,
it's sort of like it just calms you down that
little bit more. Or it was your father is there
because he you know, it goes back on the vibration
again and frequency. You know. I totally believe it is connected.
(45:36):
They are connected past loved ones with beings that they
do assist in something as well. Not that I've heard
of any stories that when people go to craft and
they see their family up there. I haven't heard that,
but I do believe that them that have passed, there's
an energetic sort of uh sort of energet what's the world?
(46:01):
I want to work word an energetic sort of I
can't think of the word. Just an energetic sort of
compatibility that they just assist together with with us, because
I know that I've had experienced that with them, with
my parents passing away and beings as well. Very clever,
(46:25):
very clever. And then then let's call let's put let's
do a spinal tap, you know, like, let's change it
to eleven now, because it's like if it wasn't high strangeness,
then then it's bloody as now you put your parents
involved eleven Yeah, yeah, yeah, this goes up eleven. Yeah,
(46:48):
it is lovely. So as a personal because we haven't
got long, we have like seven minutes left personal over
a personal view of like your involvement in this, where
do you see yourself going?
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Do you want to do conferences? Do you want to
do another book?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Yeah? Well, I'm involved in writing a second book with
a molecular biologist from Germany. The university doctorate in Germany
was making a substantial contribution to it, and we're going
to be co authors. And I think this book will
appear in in twenty twenty five. But after that, I
(47:28):
don't know. I mean, I've been invited to speak in
at a number of places, including the women's institutes, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Which is I know, I think that's profinitely. Oh you've
got to put your little story in about your neighbor
that came up to your house. You've got to say
that that's a fantastic little story.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Yeah, I was he's a substantial landowner with a big
acreage of farm.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Sixt minute, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
And I was chatting Tom of the garden fence one
day and he said, Steve, if you're right, you've written
a book about aliens. And I said, yeah, do you
want to do you want to have a copy? Oh yeah,
I like to read that. So I gave it to him.
I loaned it to him, you know. And about three
(48:14):
weeks later, on a Saturday morning, Janis wasn't here. Actually
she's gone to the monastery in Hertfordshire. So I was
here on my arm with the dog, and this guy
came and rang a doorbell and I said, oh, it's Charles,
excuse me, which should mention his name and out the
door and he said can I come on? I said yeah, sure,
(48:36):
and he holding the book in his hand and he's
put put it down the kitchen table. He said, ask
you about this these human looking ones. I don't really
see that how that works, you know. So we had
this long dialogue about about a hybrid program with the
(48:57):
farmer in Lincolnshire, and I had no idea he was
interest in this subject. It's all the.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Thing is, you don't have to even be interested. You've
just got to have one spark of intellect to think.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
You've always been interested in UFOs as a as a
anonymous phenomenon, you know, agriculture, because when you're dealing with
farmers who are out about early and later in all exactly,
they see things, you know, they see things other people
don't necessarily see because they're indoors all the time.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, absolutely, I couldn't agree more. But what's really
nice is because people are just generally interested because it's
the neighbor, you know, whether it's to go back to
the local ladies or in the pub the gossip. But
you know, you're actually having an intellectual point of view
backwards and forth as someone over the coffee table, you know,
(49:50):
in quaint, little English, little village, which is great. That's
what I need.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
About fifteen months ago, Janas and I visited a woman
I've dealt with for fifteen years and the finance sector.
I have my business. She was helping me sorting out
the finances and I went. Then we sat in the kitchen.
She's semi retired, she's not even forty yet. And I
(50:19):
got to my copy out of Time Out and I said,
ILike happens. You know, this is what I've been doing
with myself the last few years. Yea, And she said,
she looked at it, she looked at the back cover,
and she looked through it, and she looked. She looked
at me and said, I wish you'd told me about
this when we were working together all those years. We
could have had such interesting conversations. I never knew you
(50:41):
were into this stuff. So the most surprising people respond
very positively, they do to this subject because they're really
intrigued by.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
It, more so now, more so now it wasn't you know,
it wasn't twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
People kind of think it's.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
We're quite trendy now, Steve, We're quite trendly.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Parish of thought bridges.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
They will be run in to us, picking up the folks.
Can I ask you a question? Yes? Like, hang on
a second, join a list of questions to ask? You know,
the answers have we We just can only go by
our experiences.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
We have three left, Yeah, three minutes left, So just
actually actually give s a over a view of your book.
And I just say it's for the more open minded
approach to the UFO phenomena it's it's great for skeptics
and also to the experiences to consider reading as well,
(51:49):
because I know for me it's stirred up a lot
of things.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
For me, it's an analysis of the abduction phenomenon. What
it is, and I've tried to describe what it is
taken outside just just my experiences, is actually going on
in one minute, So it's it's it's an analysis of
the abduction phenomenon and what I think. It's all about
(52:13):
how many abdipties in the population, why they're doing, what
the generational components is all about, and so forth.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
I mean, listen, I think I think whatever you've put
down what the population is forget that because it's absolutely
absolutely out of the water. Is like, it is just
going to be ridiculous when when things start to happen
and people start really recalling a lot more than they
should do. Right, where can people go to to get
in touch with your book? Which is I have here.
(52:43):
It's quite heavy, it's absolutely beautiful and it's got if
you like if you love hardbacks, it's got beautiful field
at the heart.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Well, you can get out of Time Book dot info
out of Time Book Dot.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I will put that on the lane.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Or go to the Amazon and google Google out of time, Steve,
and you see the cover, the white cover with a
tractful image on it.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Racy, racy if you can hear us, how's Congress going?
He's busy on it, right, Okay, it's earlier in the.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Day there, very very typical, is it?
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Is it? Babe? Well okay, well, I'm just going, well,
is it? It's less exciting as watching mister Trump. But yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
It's more like watching curling.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
We call it, but don't we call it balls here?
Speaker 5 (53:40):
You know about curling? No, cooling is what what you
do on ice, generally big stones that you skate on
the ice with a brush, brushing the ice.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
That's right, that's right, that's cooling. Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
I should imagine.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
The most exciting sports.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Well, listen, I was going to put the other one.
I was going to put the other one of us
back in Leeds, which was in twenty eleven, but I
didn't think I should, Steve, So I just thought, that's myself,
your lovely wife Janice, and yourself. That's no. Hell yeah,
not that long ago, was it.
Speaker 5 (54:23):
So that's one of your first graphs on your camera.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah, well off, well, yeah, yeah, yes it is. Yeah.
I say that because my other one broke, so I
had to take another camera with me. But yeah, did
I send that one to you?
Speaker 5 (54:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Oh okay, I shall send that one to you. Yeah,
put that on the whole Hall of shame of us.
All right, listen, guys, I would like to say a
big thank you to Steve Asman for coming back on
and we are going to be doing the part three
because there is absolutely a great debate that we are
going to be doing that he did with Chris French,
and we know that we want to bring in Chris
(54:59):
French to the scene at some point anyway, being a skeptic.
Speaker 5 (55:03):
I want to have him as a guest.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Bloody well do too, right I do? And yeah, totally.
You know I went on this morning the TV show
and he was there. I was with Gary Hesseltine and him.
So I've been trying to be in a live by him.
It's like, no, thank you very much. And you're the
same with yourself. So we are going to be doing
a part three with you, Steve, and you're going to
talk to us about the university where you where you
(55:30):
both debated. So thank yeah, thank you ever so much
guys for being on the show, and thank you ever
so much Steve for being on the show on the
Naked Troop, and I will see you soon and tomorrow's
guest will be a surprise, all right, Take it easy, guys,
Bye from me, Bye from Steve.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Good night, Sachachacha
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Pach
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