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Australia, the sixth largest country on Earth. An ancient, rugged
and unforgiving land with abundant animal life, both beautiful and
deadly found within its own space, landscapes and natural beauty.
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Exists a deep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
the courage to investigate them. Tonight we joined Ben on
a journey across this vast island continent in search of
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answers to events that have reshaped the lives of so
many that have been exposed to Unexplained Phenomena Australia with
your host Ben her.
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Hier.
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Everyone, and welcome to another episode of Unexplained Phenomena Australia.
It's amazing how much stuff I can just keep on
digging up each week, and being a weekly show. I
have the ultimate fear that one day I'm going to
run out of material, but there doesn't seem to be
any sign of that coming in the near future. And
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as I've been researching and looking through all sorts of
different things, I've decided for this week's show, I'll actually
focus on back onto UFOs again and I've found some
really interesting things to talk about. Some of them are
well known and others are not so well known, which
is the stuff I really like to bring up and
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talk about. But the first one we're going to talk
about tonight is probably a fairly well known case actually,
and it occurred in nineteen fifty nine, so it's a
long time ago, and it actually didn't even occur in Australia,
but it occurred in Papua New Guinea, which is just
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directly above us. And it is perhaps one of the
most intriguing UFO cases that I think that I've ever
really heard about, and it's very well known. It is
very well known. If you've been around UFOs for a while,
you will definitely have heard of this case. But if not,
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then sit back and relax as we have a look
at the very well known Reverend Gill UFO encounter of
nineteen fifty nine. Really is incredible. So who was William Gill.
He was an Anglican priest with a mission in Boynani
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in Papi New Guinea and he observed craft like UFOs.
And the most intriguing part about this particular case is
that there were humanoid figures on top. That's right, humanoid
figures on top on two consecutive evenings on June the
twenty sixth and the twenty seventh of nineteen fifty nine,
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and about twenty five natives, including teachers and medical technicians,
also observed the strange phenomena. And most intriguingly of all
with this particular case is that they signaled to the
humanoids and apparently received a response. So very interesting going
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right back in the early days, a case that's always
been extremely fascinating to me. And according to doctor Allan Heinek,
during the years nineteen fifty eight nine fifty nine, there
were over sixty UFO sightings reported in the Papia New
Guinea area sixty with many of these sightings occurring in
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the area of Mount Poudi, which was near the mission
of Boenani and New Guinea at that time was part
of Australia right up until nineteen seventy five, so there's
almost into really modern times it was still considered to
be a part of Australia. Hence that's why I can
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talk about it because at that time it was an
Australian territory and the Australian Alan Church sent many missionaries
to the people of that island nation up there in
New Guinea and Reverend Father Gil or William booth Gill
was his name was his full name. He was one
of these, one of these missionaries, and he began the
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year nineteen fifty nine as a complete skeptic, but that
was soon to change. And prior to the major events,
the knockout events, on April fifth, nineteen fifty nine, Father
Gil saw a light on the uninhabited Mount Pooty that
moved faster than any human could move. And then on
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June twenty first, a gentleman called Stephen Moy, who was
Father Gil's assistant, he saw what he described as an
inverted saucer in the sky above the mission. Now it's
interesting to look at how Father Gil interpreted this even
back on his very first sighting, and in a letter
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to a friend he wrote that he had no doubt
the existence of these themes, and indeed he cannot now
that he has seen on himself. But for my simple mind,
he still requires scientific evidence before he can accept it
from being an out of space theory. So even then
he was still very skeptical about it, and he was
inclined to believe that probably many UFOs are more likely
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some form of electrical phenomena, or perhaps something brought about
by the atomic bomb explosions, something like that. And then
he said that the fact that his assistant Stephen should
actually make out a saucer could be the work of
the unconscious mind, as it's very likely that at some
time Stephen had seen illustrations of some kind in a magazine,
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or it's very possible that sources do exist, but it's
only a fifty to fifty chance that they are not earthmade,
still less that they should carry men, and it's still
unproven that they are solids. It's all too difficult to
understand for me, and I prefer to wait for some
bright boy to catch one exhibited in Martin Square. So
he was very skeptical, although he was reluctantly acknowledging the
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fact that yes, perhaps these things do exist. So with
Father Gil having his own encounter and his assistant, that
was all just a prelude to what was going to
happen later on in June. So from June twenty sixth
through to June twenty eight at about six forty five
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on June twenty sixth, the Gill he saw a bright
white light to the northwest, and as thirty eight people
at the mission watched a four legged, disc shaped object
that was approximately the size of five full moons, that's
how they described it, lined up end to end, hovering
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over the mission, and on top of the object, they
saw four human like figures that appeared to be forming
some sort of task on top of the object. Very
intriguing and at times one or more of these figures
would vanish from sight, only to reappear a few minutes later,
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and at regular intervals. A beam of blue light shone
upwards from the center of the craft into the sky,
and the object was visible until about seven point thirty
when it ascended or went up into the clouds and
it vanished. And at about eight thirty on that night,
several smaller objects appeared in the sky, and at about
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eight point fifty the first object came back, and the
four hour sighting lasted until ten fifty that night, when
clouds moved in and blocked the view. So six forty
five would have been probably a dark or approaching It's
definitely dark here at that time of the year in
New Guinea. I'm not one hundred percent sure if it would
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have been dark or around dusk, but certainly heading into
the evening hours, and Father Gil prepared a written report
of the sightings and twenty five witnesses actually signed it.
He imagine twenty five of them all sitting there signing
off on this. And the next day the large object
with people on board and two of the smaller objects
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returned at about six pm. So this is on the
twenty seventh, and Father Gil described it like this. On
the large one, two of the figures seemed to be
doing something near the center of the deck. They were
occasionally bending over and raising their arms as though adjusting
or setting up something, and one figure seemed to be
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standing looking down at us. So there's a couple of
them on top of this object working on something, and
another one who is apparently looking down at the people
looking up, and Father Gil raised his arm to actually
wave at the figure, and to their surprise, the figure
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returned the wave, and another gentleman who was standing next
to him, by the name of Aninas, began waving his
arms with Reverend Gil, and all four of the beings
seemed to wave back, and they seemed to in the
mind of the witnesses, there was no doubt that their
movements were being answered. There was more waving and signaling
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with torches with responses from the UFO, and we'll talk
about that in a bit more detail a little bit
later that night, father Gil went into dinner. If you
can imagine that, he leaves this sight that's before him
of an object in the sky with the guys on top,
and he goes inside for dinner. I suppose that's what
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you did back in nineteen fifty nine. But at seven
o'clock the objects were still there, only smaller as if
it had moved further away. And when Father Gil checked
again after church at seven forty five, the sky was
cloudy and they were gone. And the following evening, going
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into the third day, the UFOs made their final appearance
or the objects. Father Gil counted eight of them at
six forty five, and oddly, at eleven twenty. That night,
it was a quiet night, it was shattered by a
loud bang on the roof, and Father Gil rushed outside
to check what was going on and saw four UFOs
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in a sort of a circle around the building. But
they were at a very great height, and they were
still there when he returned to bed, and when the
roof was checked the next morning, no evidence of an
impact was actually found, but even though there was this
sound of something hitting the roof. In a signed statement,
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all the witnesses agreed that the object was circular at
a wide base and a narrower upper deck, and had
something like legs sticking out beneath it, and at times
it produced a shaft of blue light which shone upwards
into the sky at an angle of about forty five degrees,
and that four humanoid figures appeared on top. Some of
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the witnesses described seeing four portholes or windows on the
side of the craft, and Father Gil saw what he
appeared to be bright panels on the side, but he
did not interpret them as being portholes. So it's just
a little bit a little bit interesting, isn't it. So
of the key sort of elements of this case, you know,
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this object of a particular shape, with these distinct leg
like objects protruding underneath it, bright light at forty five
degree angle, and humanoids on top doing various activities and
perhaps also signaling back down to the people on the ground. Now,
the Boine sighting was analyzed by noted debunker doctor Donald Menzil,
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and he explained the sightings as being the planet Venus
being viewed myopically by Father Gill. Venus, he said, was
very conspicuous in the west, setting about three hours after
the sun, and Menzel noted that he thought it significant that,
despite the brilliance of Venus, none of the sightings by
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Father Gill and the mission group referred to that planet.
And Menswill based his conclusions on several speculative assumptions that
Father Gill was near sighted and without glasses at the time,
that he probably had a stigmatism and that caused him
to see a distorted image of Venus. Plus additionally, blood
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cells on the retina of his eye producing an illusion
of motion. And Menzel seemed to believed that the Papuans
were ignorant natives who worshiped Father Gill and merely went
along with everything that he said, and that because a
real simple way to get rid of the other twenty
four witnesses in the eyes of a debunker. But Fred Beckman,
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who was a colleague of doctor Allen Heinek, went to
Papua New Guinea and traveled with Father Gil to the
mission and noted that Father Gil was wearing properly corrected
glasses at the time and that Venus was pointed out
separately by gil So No he was. No, he's an
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educated man. I mean, he's a man of the cloth,
and he would have had a general They had a
good education and presumably knew something about stars and planets
and things in the sky at the same time. And
you've got your father girl, plus all the other natives,
and some of them held held fairly responsible positions, all
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testifying that this is what they actually saw. But don't
forget this is nineteen fifty nine. It is the UFO
Dark Ages back then. So we'll just sort of step
through it a little bit closer and have a look at,
you know, step by step what actually happened. And before
I do that, I'm going to give you some give
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you some vision as well, just a point where things are.
So this is where it is, so you can see Australia,
and directly above Australia is New Guinea and down on
the eastern side is the mission and that's marked in purple,
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right down on the tail literally of New Guinea. And
this is a closer up thing. So the mountain that
they're talking about is just down to the south of
the mission, quite close by, and as doctor Heinez said
it was a very very busy year for UFO reports,
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and a lot of them coming out from around that
around that area, So that gives you a bit of
an idea. So on the first day, the first major day,
six forty five, large sparkling light seen by Father Gill
in the western skies, a large sparkling light, and he
called the natives who also saw it. And on the
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first night he stepped out of the front door of
the mission house after dinner six forty five, glanced at
the western sky looking for Venus, which was conspicuous at
the time, which also eliminates Menzel's theories, and he said,
I saw Venus, but I also saw this sparkling object,
which to me was peculiar because it sparkled, and because
it was very very bright, and it was above Venus,
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and so that caused me to watch it for a while,
and then I saw it descend towards Us. That's his words.
And Father Gill estimated the object's angular diameter as about
five inches at arm's length. Stephen Moy, his teacher and assistant,
who joined Father Gill a few minutes later, said that
if he put his hand out hand out closed, it
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would cover about half the object, so it was a
fairly big object. At six point fifty five to seven
oh four pm, so the next ten minutes up to
four illuminated humanoid figures a scene on top of the object,
on and off, coming in and out of view. The
next ten minutes seven ten to seven to twenty pm,
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the sky is now overcast at about two thousand feet
and humanoid figures are seen again, and a thin electric
blue spotlight is rising upward from the object hovering below
the overcast and the UFO disappears into the clouds. A
little bit later, at eight thirty to eight thirty five
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the sky the sky is clear again and the UFO
is visible, appearing to descend and increase in size. Second
object is seen over sea, hovering at times, and another
over the village, so this is around about eight thirty
eight fifty to nine to thirty pm. The clouds start
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forming again, large stationary UFOs and others about three like
discs coming and going through the clouds. So they're moving
through the clouds, casting a light halo on the clouds.
A large UFO moves away rapidly across the sea. This
is around this is from eight fifty to nine thirty
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nine forty six to ten thirty pm, the UFO reappears overhead,
hovering ten fifty Another twenty minutes later, heavy overcast, no
sign of the UFO, and by eleven o'clock that night
it was really pissing down rain, heavy rain the June
twenty seven so the next day, six to seven pm,
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large UFO seen again, first sighted by a medical technician
at the hospital before dark, and it's the closest sighting
yet seen, very clearly, bright and sparkling. Humanoid figures seen
on top. Father Gill and about twelve others in a
group waved at the humanoids. One of the figures appeared
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to wave back. One member of the group waved both
arms and the figures responded, waving both arms in kind.
Two smaller objects remained visible, but stationary at a higher altitude.
As we watched it, Father Gill said, men came out
of this object and appeared on top of it, on
what seemed to be a deck on top of the
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huge disc. There were four men in all. Occasionally two,
then one, then three, then four were noted, and we
noted the various times that men appeared, and another peculiar
thing that he noted was that shaft of blue light
emanating from what appeared to be the center of the deck.
The men appeared to be illuminated not only by this
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light reflected on them, but also by a sort of
glow which completely surrounded them as well as the craft
so illuminated as well. The glow did not touch them,
but there appeared to be a little space between their
outlines and the light. Interesting. Father gil described the movements
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of the object, especially the smaller discs, as being very erratic.
They sometimes moved rapidly, sometimes slow, approaching, receding, changing direction,
and then swinging back and forth like a pendulum. Crazy stuff.
And one object moved away and appeared to descend towards
a nearby village, and everybody thought that the object was
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going to land, and they all ran down to the beach,
but the object swooped up in a way over the mountains,
turning red as it disappeared. And when the large object disappeared,
Father Gill said, it made a slight wavering motion, then
suddenly shot away at tremendous speed, so a bit of
a wavering motion perhaps something like that, and then bang
off it went. Changing color to red and blue green,
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disappearing across the bay, vanishing, and interestingly, no sound was
heard throughout. So that's amazing. These craft have been entirely
silent nineteen fifty nine, don't forget that, nineteen fifty nine.
So it really was an incredible, incredible event. You've just
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got this amazing encounter that's occurred with a responsible missionary
and his and the people of the mission. There's really
no reason for anyone to make any of this stuff up.
And at one point Father Gil sent one of the
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natives for a flashlight, and they directed a series of
signals or long dashes towards the object, and after a
minute or two, the UFO wavered back and forth like
a pendulum, and they took that to be an apparent
acknowledgment of the torch. They waved and flashed the signals again,
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and the UFO appeared to descend down towards them, but
stopped and came no closer. And after two or three
more minutes the figures disappeared, and they come back out again,
start resuming their activity, and the blue spotlight come on
for a few seconds twice in succession. So extraordinary. Well
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Worth discussing on this show because it's just the sort
of thing that we are very interested in. Now. The
fallout of all of this was that most all the investigators,
well all the civilian investigators, let's put it that way,
all found Reverend Gill to be very impressive, a credible witness.
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And this led one of the groups, which is the
Victorian Flying Source of Research Society, which was the original
founding UFO group here in Victoria where I am. They
viewed the Gill report as constituting the most remarkable testimony
of intensive UFO activity ever reported to civilian investigators at
that time nineteen fifty nine, and they were unique because
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for the first time credible witnesses had reported the presence
of humanoid beings associated with UFOs, and the major civilian
groups of the day, in a spirit of you found cooperation,
inspired by the significance of the observations, distributed copies of
Gill's citing reports to all members of the House of
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Representatives of Australia's federal Parliament and a letter accompanied the report.
So the civilian groups took this very very seriously at
the time, and the letter accompanied the report, signed by
the presidents of the participating civilian groups, urging members of
the Parliament to press the Minister for Air for a
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statement about the attitude the Australian Air Force Intelligence had
to the New Guinea reports. So they tried to get
a bit of motion around around this experience, and on
the twenty fourth of November, so we've moved from June
from the time of the sightings through to November nineteen
fifty nine. In Federal Parliament, a mister Cash, a Liberal
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member for Western Australia. He asked the Minister for Air,
who was osborne, whether his department, specifically Air Force Intelligence,
had investigated the reports, and the Minister's reply did not
address this question, but instead focused on the general situation,
indicating that most sightings of UFOs who explained, and that
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only a very small percentage, something like three percent of
reported site sightings could not be explained, and representative of
one of the UFO groups was advised by the Directorate
of Air Force Intelligence that the department was awaiting depth
of evidence on the New Guinea sightings, but the department
had not even interviewed Reverend gil unbelievable. Finally, the Minister
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for Defense requested a report and the Wrath interviewed Reverend
Gil the twenty ninth of December nineteen fifty nine, practically
six months after the sighting, and Reverend Gill's recollection of
the visit is that the two officers from Canberra talked
about stars and planets, and then they left and he
heard no more from them. This is very much the
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dogma of the day back in that time period. It
was to explain everything away at all costs, and as
one might expect, Reverend's Gill's account was dismissed by the
Royal Australian Air Force despite its extraordinary nature of what
was reported and the number of witnesses in an Australian
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territory at that time, and the senior interviewing officer, Squadron
Leader F. A. Lang, concluded that although Reverend Gill could
be regarded as a reliable observer, it's felt that the
June July incidents could have been nothing more than natural
phenomena colored by past events and subconscious influences of UFO enthusiasts.
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What the hell does that mean in nineteen fifty nine
in Papua New Guinea, I don't think so. During the
period of the report, the weather was cloudy and unsettled,
bit light thunderstorms. Although it's not possible to draw firm conclusions,
an analysis of rough bearings and angles above the horizon
does suggest that at least some of the lights observe
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were the planet's Jupiter, Satin and Mars, all of a
sudden and light refraction. The changing position of the planet's
relative to the observer and cloud movement would give the
impression and size of rapid movement, and in addition to that,
the varying cloud densities could account for the human shapes
and their sudden appearance and disappearance. Well, that's all very convenient,
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isn't it. The Australian Air Forces wrapped that one up
into a really explainable solution that basically puts that aside.
And we've explained that one and this is an extraordinary sighting.
And you can imagine that happening now anywhere in the world,
or even in New Guinea. Those mobile phones would be
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out there snapping and taken lots of video. But in
nineteen fifty nine, New Guinea was a much more remote place.
It's still a remote place today in many ways, but
in nineteen fifty nine it was so much more. That
was so much more the case. So I did find
a but before I do that, I'll bring up a picture.
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This is Reverend gil so that's him on the right,
and that's one of the one of the paintings or
illustrations that was done that represents that event. So he
was a very very educated gentleman and he had nothing
to nothing to gain by reporting this in good faith.
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And this was his assistant, mister Stephen moy it's a
photo of him, relatively rare photo. And a couple of
other pictures I've got here of the two women who
also saw it on the second day, the hospital technician
who saw it, and that's that. And this is Reverend
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Gill's own sketch of the object. And hopefully I've been
able to describe it to you, but a picture is
worth a thousand words. So you can see the object
and the protrusion sticking underneath it, and the four little objects,
and there's this glow around the whole thing that you
can probably imagine. And then after that forty five degree
is that electric blue shaft of light that was going
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up into the sky. What were they doing up there?
Wouldn't it be great to know what they were doing
up there. This is another image of the natives at
the time, waving at the figures on top. And it's
interesting to note that Reverend Gill himself still regarded them
as humans, still was still wanting to believe that he
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was looking at humans on top of this. He didn't
understand the technology, no idea, but his mindset was that
he was even though he could make it very little detail,
no facial features or anything like that, but in his
mind that these were still these were still humans. And
this is a really whizbang image of it that I
was able to find online that may or may not
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be entirely accurate, but perhaps gives it a bit more
of a twenty first century feel to what the object
may have looked like. And you know, it's hard. You
got to think back in nineteen fifty nine, they're trying
to describe, you know, something that's incredible, and they haven't
got no way of capturing it other than their descriptions
and a couple of basic drawings. But in the twenty
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first centuries, you can see we can do some really
good renderings of what it might have looked like. The figurines,
the figures, the figures on top of the craft. So
I'm just going to play a little short interview that
Reverend Gil did, and you can listen to his take.
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Can you imagine what it's like to look up in
the sky and see a totally foreign looking object there
as just hovering not very far high up, maybe two
or three hundred feet up in the air, and glowing,
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and two bipods jutting out from behind it from underneath it,
and sparkling all around, and some figures up there, this
solid looking object and figures walking about on top, and
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not the slightest noise whatsoever. And so we waved, wouldn't
be wonderful if we could get this object down onto
the playing field. And as we waved, wondering whether we'd
get some recognition and whether perhaps they would understand what
we wanted, they waved back. So I asked the boy
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to go quickly down, bring the torch, bring the pencil,
bring the paper, and return as quickly as he can,
so that I can get if or any other events
that occur, and minify a minute movements so that at
least we'd be able to talk about it the next day.
And as he did, very very quickly. He brought it back.
He brought the torch and put the torch on and
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shote it to the craft, and as he did so,
he waved the moved the torch this way, and we
were dumbfounded when we looked at the craft, and the
craft was as though it was responding to the torch,
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and it began to do this too, you know, like
a disc shaped object just moving the same way, responding
to the movement to the torch. Next day, just prior
to the evening service, about seven o'clock, thing was there again.
It had arrived about an hour earlier, and we all
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decided to have the normal even song that we do
have on those nights, because well, the thing was out
there outside the church anyway, and we thought it wouldn't
go away during the service, and it didn't. When we
came out there, it was still up in the sky.
And so for another hour or two we watched, and
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then suddenly it did go and there was this amazingly
incredible speed that the whole craft disappeared to nothing across
the bay in matter of a second or so. Well, now,
what are we to think of this kind of phenomenon?
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People claiming to see things such as I did for
thirty eight of us, and we all believe that we
saw it, but of course we don't expect other people
to believe us if we if they don't want to.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
So there you go. That's straight from Reverend Gille's mouth himself.
So it's interesting to note even these attitude at the
end there that you know, we know what we saw,
but we don't necessarily expect other people to believe what
we experienced. So it becomes a very personal thing to
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witnesses when they do that. In nineteen fifty nine, there
would have been a fairly high rate of skeptics out
there in society in general, but that's still would people
would had their believers, and at the end of the day,
the truth is the truth. So that's an interesting thing.
So we're going to move along now. I'm going to
talk about another interesting in CA and this one probably
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is not so well known, certainly a lot less well
known than the Reverend Gill encounter. And I myself had
never even heard of it until recently. And it's really
going back into the nineteen thirty so it's going back
a little bit earlier again. And again we're kind of
off Australia a little bit in that this was an
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encounter that occurred across the Tasman Sea between New Zealand
and Australia in the nineteen thirties, and it occurred to
a gentleman called Sir Francis Chichester. And I'll put a
picture up of him. What he looks like. This is
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him here and he was quite an incredible man. And
will have a look at what made him so incredible.
And so he was originally born in Devon, England, the
son of a Church of England clergyman, and at the
age of six he was sent as a border to
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the Old Ride Preparatory School for boys, and he then
attended Marlborough College and during World War One, at the
age of eighteen, he emigrated to New Zealand, where in
ten years he built up a prosperous business in forestry,
mining and property development at the age of eighteen, only
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to suffer severe losses in the Great Depression. And after
returning to England in nineteen twenty nine to visit his family,
Francis Chichester took flying lessons at Brooklyn's Surrey and he
qualified as a pilot and he then took delivery of
a de Haveland Gypsy Moth aircraft which he intended to
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fly to New Zealand. So this is real, big old stuff.
This is boy's own back in that time, and he
was hoping to break Bert Hinkler's record solo flight back
to a on the way. Now. While mechanical problems meant
that the record eluded him, he completed the trip in
forty one days. Think about forty one days and you
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can basically fly to England in a day now, So
we've come a long long way. And the aircraft was
then shipped to New Zealand, and finding that he was
unable to carry enough fuel across the Tasman Sea, he
had his Gypsy Moth fitted with floats borrowed from the
New Zealand Permanent Air Force that was known at that time,
and he went on to make the first solo flight
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across the Tasman Sea from east to west. Now that's
from New Zealand to Australia, the first man to fly
solo across the Tasman Sea, New Zealand to Australia. He
was also the first man to land an aircraft on
Norfolk Island and Lord Howe Island. So what's a gypsy moth?
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I hear you ask. This is a gypsy moth. That's
what a gypsy moth looks like. So if you can
imagine flying from New Zealand to Australia in one of those,
you certainly are made of stern stuff. And his actual
plane looked like this. So he had the pontoons put on,
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which was probably a fairly sound idea. So the trip
was delayed after his aircraft was damaged at Lord Howe
and he had to rebuild it himself with the help
of islanders. So there you go. This is still back
in the day of DIY and probably some wire and
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some wood and taping things back together for the flight
across to Australia. So, and his navigation back in those
days was very very you know, it was a very
almost hit and miss style of navigation that they used.
And I was going to read about that, but it's
relatively sort of lengthy, and perhaps we won't bother with
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that reading through how they actually navigated. But he really
had a strange encounter when he.
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Was out there.
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So while he was midway over the Tasman Sea, he
encountered a strange aerial craft, and he noticed and he
called it an exceedingly curious aerial vehicle moving towards him.
This is in nineteen thirty one, and he assumed that
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he had encountered a new type of airship. So again
here he is assuming that it's something that is man made,
not something unusual. And he said that it was puzzlingly,
puzzlingly cocooned in white. It had this white sheen around it,
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all white material that flashed in the sun. And three
decades later, in his book, which was called The Lonely
Sea and Sky, he confessed his naivety, and he was
convinced by then, three decades later, that he had in
fact seen a UFO, long before the term was invented,
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and long before flying saucer was even invented. And in
a violent overture to the drama, Chichester's plane was pushed
off course by buffeting winds. Using the ocean's surface and
crests of feathering waves as a guide to altitude, he
wrestled the aircraft through the isolated storms for more than
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an hour until he caught sight of clearer weather ahead.
And the welcome sight was accompanied by that awe inspiring spectacle,
a pattern of dazzling lights in the sky thirty degrees west,
and he said, there were bright flashes like the glimpse
of a heliograph. He saw a great white airship coming
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towards him, A great white ship coming towards him, like
an oblong pearl, like an oblong pearl. Now that's interesting,
isn't it. Like an oblong pearl made me think of this.
That's that's the first thing that came to mind for me,
an oblong pearl. And then this is another image that
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I a buck that perhaps kind of reflects what he's
talking about, because there are no photos of this, So
this oblong pearl. And except for a cloud or two,
there was nothing else in the sky. He looked around,
sometimes catching a flash or a glint, and he twisted
the plane to look at the airship more closely, but
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he found it. It disappeared, and he screwed his eyes up,
unable to believe that. And he twisted the seaplane this
and this way and that way, thinking that the airship
might be hidden by lindspot, but he still could not
pick out anything. And then out of some clouds in front,
he saw another or the same airship approaching, and he
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watched it with great intensity and was determined not to
look away for even a second. And the airship grew
even closer until it was about a mile away, and
then it vanished, and then it reappeared close to where
it had vanished, and then it drew closer, and he
could see the dull gleam of light on its nose
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and back it came towards him, but instead of increasing
in size, the object diminished as it approached, and when
it came quite near, the airship became, in his own words,
its own ghosts. One second he could see through it,
and the next it had vanished into the flashes, and
then they the flashes also, so it was flashing that
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these flashes were going, and it disappeared into the flashes.
And all of this was seen years before anyone spoke
of UFOs, And in nineteen thirty one it seemed to
serve ch Chester to be very much like what people
call flying sources. So that's an incredible, incredible story. In
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the early thirties, on the first crossing from New Zealand
to Australia, he encounters in flying around in one of
these things like you know, that's bravery. That's one brave man,
you know, that's what he's that's what he's got out
there against something like that or maybe even that, because
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the description does not vary that much. He described as
an oblong pearl shaped object. So that's just a fascinating
en Canada, and I'd never heard of it, and I
don't think many people would really know about that case,
you know, for some one who's an incredibly credible witness.
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So that's a fascinating encounter. Now I also want to
talk about to close out this episode, the mystery of
the spinning sea lights. This is another really strange phenomena
sea lights, spinning sea lights. And I've got an example
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of this particular phenomenon and it was the eeriest but
most beautiful spectacle that Queensland Master mariner Norman Fraser had
ever encountered. And the time was three am on the
morning of the fourth of November nineteen ninety seven, so
and not that long ago, nineteen ninety seven, and he
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was standing watch on the supply ship Ocean Worker in
the Bay of Bengal, and without warning, the dark sea
is at three am began to pulsate the sea began
to pulsate and then brilliantly shine as though the sun
was rising from the sea bed. And as he as
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Fraser and his shipmate sam Apeya watched or expored, luminously,
green patches of light spun around the vessel at increasing speed,
and before long the patches had formed huge rotating wands
of green light in the water, and Norman Fraser recalled
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that the curved spokes turned from a central hub at
more than eighty rotations a minute. Eighty rotations a minute,
and the spinning light mass was visible as far beyond
the ship as the eye could see, so it was
its extended out to horizon. Now he took careful notes
of what he and sam Apuya had seen in the street.
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Such of ocean in which the display occurred is known
for bioluminescent organisms, but the organized immensity of the rotating
pattern posed a puzzle that science to this day has
still not begun to even remotely solve. And light wheels
like this example have also been seen off the coast
of Western Australia and were recorded by mariners for years,
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and an author called Kay Kiltsen observed one in nineteen
oh nine going back in time aboard the ship called Bintang,
not the beer put the ships called Bintang in the
Indian Ocean, and he recalled waves of light moving across
the surface of the sea from west to east, and
gradually they took the shape of long rays, again rotating clockwise,
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and these rays were not straight but concave. And the
previous year, the captain of a Russian trading vessel noted
that suddenly an unusual light, white and green in color,
broke out underneath the stern of the boat and soon
occupied most of the ocean's surface. The light pattern was
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oval in shape and moved from some time with the ship,
and then gradually separated from the ship and flew ahead
underwater at great speed and shining brightly. So it flew
ahead under the water a great speed, shining brightly. On
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the twenty eighth of December my birthday, nineteen twenty nine,
the British steamship Talma was off the eastern shore of
the Bay of Bengal, again en route from Calcutta to
the far East, and the weather was calm and clear,
and towards seven in the evening, an extraordinary display of
luminosity luminosity was seen in the surrounding sea. At first
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the captain's report, what appeared like small globdewels of fluorescence
rising from below and breaking like the surface were observed,
and later theseumed. Later these assumed an appearance almost like
flashes of lightning under the water, which rapidly formed into
regular beams, curved as the curve spokes of a wheel
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might be, and at a width of and at the
ship of about thirty feet, These revolved rapidly from right
to left at the rate of two a second time,
as the beams passed the bridge around a distant center
which could not actually be seen clearly, but appeared to
be about five miles off, and this center passed ahead
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of the ship, being first observed on the port beam,
and from there drawing slowly ahead and across the bows
of the ship, fading gradually till the starbough, sorry fading
gradually till on the starboard bow, when the whole phenomenon
disappeared about fifteen minutes after it had begun fascinating. And
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these beams are generally described curved with their concave sides
in the direction which they move. Most of the displays
a report of last for only a few minutes. So
it really is a very very unusual phenomenon. Indeed, and
this is the images that I've found that describe what
these water wheels actually look like. So these rotating spinning
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lights that appear under the sea, that's one image, and
this is another image that shows a ship and with
the waves of these lights going across them. So it's
definitely it's a really interesting phenomena that's occurred here in
Australian obviously up around India there as well, and probably
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in other parts of the world as well. A really
interesting phenomenon. And I don't really know how to describe it.
Is it a UFO phenomenon? Who knows? It may or
may not be. That's I don't know, I know what
more to say. It's really yeah, very very very interesting.
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So I'm sort of coming close to the end of
end of the episode, but we still got a few
minutes left to go, and I want to talk about
a crop circle encounter. So on the twenty fifth of
February nineteen sixty six, there was an article in the
Brisbane Telegraph and something strange had occurred. Now a woman's
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school teacher who would not give a name, said that
something that was pear shaped with a beam of light
extending from the blunt end, and was traveling low and fast.
A constable on his way home from police headquarters said
an oval shaped machine sped from the sky and hovered
low about sixty feet above the ground, with red flames
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shooting from it. Shadows of some people, he said, could
be seen for several seconds in this object. And Missus
Maureen Klune of Punch Bowl said that she and her
neighbors had seen mysterious white lights each night near the
Bankstown Airport, and she was quoted as saying, last night
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I saw a single, very bright light hovering in the
sky about nine pm. And when the position of the
nest was described to her, Missus Klune said the light
she saw was very close to it. So there was
a circle on the ground, and the nest looked as
if it had been flattened by a huge disc. The
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tall reeds had been depressed into the mud as if
by some tremendous force, and were in a perfect clockwise position.
And Robert Dennis said that he and Larry Stewart first
noticed the nest on February fourteenth, so remember this article
appeared on the twenty fifth, so quite a few days later.
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And these were two boys and they we always take
the same track home from school, and we are sure
that the nest was not there the previous friday. And
when we found it, we noticed a particular pungent chemical
smell which seemed to hang in the air. The reeds
also were bent at the base and not broken. And
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we had noticed ourselves that if you tried to flatten
the reeds they break off at the stem. And he said,
the nests seemed to have been forced by some huge
downward draft of air moving in a circular motion. And
this is the picture of that particular impression, and that's
the boys in the center.
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There.
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So a really really interesting and classical, absolutely classical crop
circle that you could say swelled swelled, swelled wheat on
the ground or grass reeds. But I found interesting about
this one was the fact that they reported that there
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was a pungent smell associated with it, which I've not
heard that commonly before, So I thought I would would
share that with you as well. And I've got quite
a few here, but the time is ticking down, we'll
talk about this one here, So again April twelfth, nineteen
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to seventy three, so we've moved through the years a bit.
In this episode. In the Brisbane Courier mail, a mister
and missus David Hebron said they were returning home to
their hometown of Proston, about one hundred and twenty five
miles northwest of Brisbane, when a large bright disc appeared
beside their vehicle. A large bright disc, and mister Hebron
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said he was driving past the Wandell Cemetery when he
heard a noise like a jet passing overhead and then
he saw the object, which gave off a reddish yellow light,
and he said the object chase the car for eight
to nine miles fair way, and after it became obvious
it was chasing us, there was no way that we
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were going to pull up, he said. And just before
it disappeared, it seemed to come very close and bright,
and he felt like he could have reached out and
actually touched it. But then the car gave a shudder,
as if hit by a strong gust of wind, and
the object disappeared. Mister Herbron, who was a truck driver,
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So the incident occurred at about nine point thirty pm
on the Sunday in April nineteen seventy three, and his
wife said that we were terribly scared. The thing flew
alongside us for miles. It wasn't an aircraft, that's for sure.
She said. The object was shaped like the bottom crescent
of the moon, bottom crescent of the moon, and traveling
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about three hundred yards from their vehicle until it came
in close shortly before it disappeared at high speed, and
they thought it was the moon at first, but then
it started to follow them, and she said, I have
never believed in flying sources before, and I'm so mixed
up now and I don't know what to think. I'm
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so frightened. I won't stay at home by myself at
night now. And mister Hebron said they did not report
the incident to the local police because they were afraid
they would start laughing at us. And the military aviation
authorities were at a loss to explain the episode, and
they said there was no military aircraft or helicopters in
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the area at that time. Now there's a third siding.
The sighting is the third of unidentified flying objects in
the Poston area in the previous two months the third siding.
In February, the Wandell newsagent mister Arthur Martin saw two
mysterious objects on the outskirts of the town, and a
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week later several people at Wandell Hospital reported a UFO
and a missus. Rhonda Braithwaite of moon Bindari Station, which
is a big ranch one hundred and fifty three miles
southwest of Cunnamulla in Queensland, said yesterday that she saw
three large lights with trails like masses of little stars
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streaking across the sky at six am on Tuesday. And
also on Tuesday, two station hands at a central Western
property found a piece of metal that was believed to
be from a Russian satellite. So it was a very
active time in that nineteen to seventy two nineteen to
seventy three period. So thank you for joining me for
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another episode of Explain Phenomena Australia. I've really enjoyed digging
up those reports and investigating them for you and bringing
them out for you to to listen to and hopefully
you've learned something interesting. So until next time, I look
forward to seeing you. Then, good night,