The Founders Show #489

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Battles, the politicians addressed the digitdatas and magicians. Who's to see the
money? Then you don't, there'snothing to fill the holes while then are
filling their pockets bid holes, thepoliticians bouncing down the road. Every body'sition,

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no moment, corruption and dysfunction.It's gone a date, divide it
avention amidst of the primary election.One of the things that was missed was
the fact that we may have anew city hall coming about in New Orleans.
Eventually, the state conducted a dealalongsiught by the city to build a
new city hall at Duncan Plaza.Could it be a way of actually rebuilding

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the original Black Storyville an interesting ideabeing proposed in this edition of The Founder
Show with this and other topics,and God bless all out there. You
are now listening to the founders.So the voice of the founding Fathers,
You're bounding fathers coming to you deepwithin the bowels of those mystic and cryptic
alligator swamps of the Big Easy,that old Crescent City, New Orleans,

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Louisiana, and high up on topof that old Liberty Cypress tree way out
on the Eagles Branch. This isnone other than your spingary Baba O the
Republic Chaplain High mcenry with Christopher Tidmore, you roving reporter, resident radical moderate
and associate editor of the Louisiana Weeklynewspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net. And

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Hi, we got a lot totalk about in today's show, but I
want to start off with something thathappened right before the primary. Now,
this kind of got lost because therewas a lot like election stuff, Jeff
Landry, all the different races,and we still obviously got races coming up
in a couple of weeks for therunoff. Still Secretary of State, Attorney
General, a few councilors and soon and so forth. But something that

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had been pursued by New Orleans politiciansfor years actually came about after a massive
fight, and it should have beena headline, but nobody really paid attention
to it. That's the fact thatthat Duncan Plaza, this is the park
for those that don't know it.Behind where where City Hall is at the

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edge of Duncan Plaza. Prior upinto Hurricane Katrina, was the old Supreme
Court building. It had actually ChinaTown used to be. Well, that's
going to be part of the story. So hold hold that thought. You're
on the right you're on the righttrack. Hold that thought. And so
the Supreme Court building was there,and it was still it was pretty much
abandoned before they'd already moved to theFrench Quarter at that point. But the

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back to the old French Quarter stays. Jim McKay's project to restore very successfully
the old Supreme Court building. Butthe building was there, was owned by
the state, and it was destroyedin Hurricane Katrina. It was terribly destroyed.
It was ripped down, so it'sjust an empty plot on the park.
The only thing that was left overhad been the statue of Edward Douglas

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White, which ended up getting movedto the Supreme Court and then moved inside
when everything came up with the statues. So it's actually inside, yeah,
exactly. But man, there wasa big debate going back to Mitchellandrew about
building a new city Hall. Now, if anybody's been inside either the Civil
District Court buildings and Orleans, whichby the way, just so don't know

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everybody thinks is just for Orleans.Or Orleans Parish is the only place where
we have separate criminal and civil districtcourts. But part of the reason for
that is because something like seventy percentof the civil trials on issues from insurance
to corporate stuff happens in Orleans Parish. It literally happens in this court.
So that's part of the reason wehave separate courts. Anyway, the buildings

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are in such horrendous condition. Thefirst, they're ugly. They are these
nineteen fifties Check Morrison built the buildingsto be modernist, and they're one of
the ugliest sets of buildings I've everseen in my life. But that is
their ugly book. And what's what'sterrible is that what was there was originally
this gothic court house that was beautifuland the original China town that it was

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in that area. It's kind ofsad. But enough of that. In
a second, the idea is weneed a new city hall, and how
do we pay for it? Isthe real question. Well, the judges
for civil district court, even thoughthis is a state court theoretically, then
the state law requires that the Parishof Orleans. This is different from every
other court system in the state.The Parish of Orleans, I eat,

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the City of New Orleans has tohouse the judges of the Civil District Court.
And the judges are saying, weliterally the elevator stops every day.
I mean the elevator breakdowns are daily. They've had mold problems that people get
sick in the building. We gotto do something. So they went to
the Supreme Court almost twenty years agoand said, we want to boost our

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fees and put together a fund sothat we could build a new courthouse.
And here's the interesting thing. Actually, fees in orlan Leans were actually kind
of low compared to other parishes becauseyou had criminal and civil. In most
parishes, fees went up. Theyhadn't gone up in civil district Court in
decades. So what happened was theystart putting together this fund. The fund

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is over twenty five million dollars atthis point. It's a huge amount of
money and it still comes in andthe Supreme Court had to keep extending them
because every time the judges would proposebuilding a courthouse, it would get looped
into something else and it would fallapart. And the most famous incident,
of course is Mitch Landrew. AndI actually thought it was a brilliant idea.
I give him credit. I thoughtturning big Charity into the new City

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Hall. It's an iconic building.It was going to rehabilitate that time.
He was going to put the CivilDistrict Court House on the first floor.
It was going to be a greatthing. The judges hate it. They
literally the Chief Judge ran against himfor Mayor on the issue it was.
And their argument was you had tohave pylons in if you built the court

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rooms, and it would break theline of sight and you could challenge court
cases. The real argument was thatthe lawyers who are on Poetry Street didn't
want to walk all the way downto the end of Canal. I mean,
let's just be blunt. There havebeen other proposals to put like Civil
District Court next to Southern University ofNew Orleans, put it on the campus
and build a law school with it, which was a brilliant idea from Errol

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Williams, and say that way wecould have another law school you know,
that would fund it. It's thelawyers don't want to go that far.
So the counterproposal that was brought upby Michael Begnarris then the Chief Judge,
was Okay, now I got abetter idea. Let's build a civil district
court at Duncan Plase on the stateland. Well, the city's like,
well, we'd like to have anew court, you know, at a

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new city hall, and we're supposedto house you, so you are not
allowed to build your own courthouse untilwe could have a city hall. And
the city's argument is we've been housingyou for years and never got any money
from it, so what do wedo? And it went back and forth,
and the basic idea was that thatplot of land at Duncan Plaza was
owned by the State of Louisiana andthe city would like the plot, but
the state law prevent it's the statefrom giving the plot to the city.

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There was no legal way to actuallytransfer the land. People don't realize that.
So the city tried several things.And one of the things the city
tried was to give up the streetthat is on between the Superdome and the
Benson Building, which is now basicallyChampion Square where they do the concerts and

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we don't use as a street.And the state was like, well,
how would we gain in this?How do we transfer? Finally a deal
came through about a week before theelection, and the deal was the state
would get the area in front ofNew Orleans City Hall, there's a parking
lot and in an L shape thatcovers the current Civil District Court and into

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Duncan Plaza that would become quote stateland. And then the area at the
edge of Duncan Plaza that backs upto a big parking lot would become would
be transferred to the city with thestate freely saying this is Jay Darden saying,
we might develop a future building statebuilding there because our contract with Gail
Benson from Benson Tower with those officesis going to expire by twenty thirty six.

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We might do this, or wemight just keep it as green space.
They very clondly said, basically,we're doing this as a paperwork fiction
so that you can get the landto build it. It was the final
thank you from John Bell Edwards toLaToya Cantrell, who's fought for this for
a long time to build a cityhall. And actually it's generally popular across
because there's almost nobody except a fewarchitecture geeks who thinks New Orleans City Hall

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is worth saving or you know,it's like everybody I'm watching high worless eyes.
When I said that, I mean, it's you want to end we
talk about gridlock in Washington. Youwant to know, oh, gridlock in
New Orleans. Republican Democrat, liberal, conservative, white, black, gay,
strait just say I love City Hall. Everybody will look at you like
you're crazy. And so the ideaand the idea is that the judge's money
from these cases will provide the physicalplant for it, the money that they

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can then turn around and bond againstand be able to build it. Cost
about five hundred million dollars to buildthis. For all, what they've got,
all those great high rises on Poisonsright, they're right near the current
City Hall, isn't there? Everynow and then they go up for sale.
A lot of times they've been vacant. Why don't we just make an
aggressive move to buy one of thosehigh rises and move it all into one

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nice, big high rod because noone wants to be tard and feathered the
way Ray Nagan was, Well,what so Ray Nagan wanted to buy the
Chevron building to do exactly that.Yeah, And the city spends one million
dollars and actually almost two million dollarsnow a year to rent office space across
the street from City Hall in theold Amaco building, right, And so

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the idea was if you take themoney that you would hang in rent,
you could get at the time wehad pretty low interest rates. You could
get a mortgage thirty mortgage to buya building. And they were offering the
building at that point for like tenand a half million dollars, which was
a really good price. It wasnon vetas he brought it up, this

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was his proposal, we could withthe building was pretty much ready to move
into. It needed some a minora cosmetic stuff, but not very much,
and they could you start moving inoffices very quickly. And he brought
it up and people went ballistic becauseone of the things you want theoretically with
a civic building is land next toit that you can have civic engagement with,

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which is to say, protest andeverything else. But you want some
kind of civic ground next to yourcourthouse. Apparently it's one of the big
municipal must you have. It wasso controversial that it basically fell apart.
And I'll give you an example ofa building where that would work well for
it. Do you remember the oldbefore we get in the whole city hall

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argument, Before you remember the oldFreeport Macmaran building. It's now the Stuart
Enterprises Building. Frank Stewart's selling thatfor forty five million dollars. Now,
last time I checked, forty fivemillion dollars a million, it's like okay,
and it's got a front to itand it's a beautiful building. Yeah,
but there's an argument that this isa civic place. You need to
build courthouses up to a certain specificationso that they're not challenged, and the

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judges are providing the money. Sowhy not build a building that's both courthouse
and city hall. You can takethe millions you're spending on office space and
they're millions, and together you canput enough money to get enough debt to
build a city hall. That's theargument. All of these arguments to me
are missing something. And Christopher,let me interject here. Whenever I see

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a plan that would save government awhole lot of money, like you,
just the judges don't want to fillversus I have a billion. What I'm
thinking is is it that the contractorsare very upset that they can't come and
build their half billion dollar structure,and because they're in bed with the politicians

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and they're all scratching one other's back. Well, I don't. There's all
kinds of deals going on. That'sthe reason why they can't do the smart
simple thing. They've got to playall these games sometimes. That that's what
I think is really going on.But I will also say that since the
root money is the judges, andthe judges want to build a courthouse,
and they have the money, Christopher, they can build a courthouse and a

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building that's already built. They don'twant to, but they can. Yeah,
but they want to. What toughluck, it's their money, so
it comes into that situation. Justgo do it without them and charge them
rent. Except you're not allowed understatelaw to charge them rent. Yeah,
that because the city is forced understate law to provide them with a residence.

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Yeah, And so we can taketheir money. They're pool of money
to do this. These are arestate judges, so New Orleans civil district
court are actually or parish courts therethere. It's their state district judges.
So in every other part of thestate, just a little, a little
thing in every part of state.Well then why why do we even have
to provide anything for them? Letthem get their own stuff, because it's

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written that way in the Constitution thateach city has to provide. No Orleans
does. As part of the Homesworlds, they make it on us.
Well, it's piston long store.It's the fact that we have two separate
court systems that they had to provide. We had to provide a separate civil
court system, which you remember,we tried to merge the courts, and
they unmerged themselves for much the samereason. So I'm talking about practical politics.

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When it gets right down to it, You're not wrong, high,
But mostly this is the judges wantinga nice courthouse and saying, we're building
the infrastructure for a big building,for all the air conditioning, all the
all the physical plant that requires that, and can you can build You can
tack a city hall onto that veryeasily. How about this, we buy
the building across the street, notacross streets, down the street, but
well how far let's see the freePort, the old the Stewart Enterprises buildings,

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what's called now, yeah, isthree two blocks. It's right across
from superdown basically yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, it's very close.
It's very close. So so allright, they do that and move
city Hall there and then they putthe courts where they are now, just
leave them in the old City Hallremodeled or whatever. Well that the building

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needs to be ripped down. It'sfalling apart. I mean you need they
need structurally structurally, it's structurally insaneconcrete, you know. I mean literally
there are pieces of roof falling onpeople's heads. It's it's that unsafe.
They've closed down parts of the buildingbecause it's physically dangerous. They need a
new courthouse, they need a newplace to be. Whether that needs to
be regardless, I'm telling you rightnow, the plan is to build a

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city hall on the space that wejust got from the state. For those
just joining, it is literally thefar end of Duncan Plaza, away from
Loyola Drive. It is against ahigh parking lot. It's where the old
Supreme Court space. It's like caddycorn from Duncan Square. It's literally runs
along the the if you want tobe precise, it runs along the backside,

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the backside where it's where where thebuilding starts. To be in front
of that building, it'd be muchmore attractive than what we have right now.
We're just looking at a concrete Originallythe State courts. That's where the
Supreme Court was, That's where theSupreme Court. That's what we've traded for.
All right. So back to thepoint, there's a great way of
redoing all of Duncan Plaza. Andone of the points I made where the
Jay Arden maide was maybe we wantto build a state office building here or

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maybe we just want to leave itas green space. We had to do
that. We don't have to havea park. You can't violate. No,
no, no, no, no, no, okay, that's that's
that's they can find. They canstart building high rises, not autumn park
right now. There no different parkshave different rules, right this this is
not part is not protecting. Yeah, it's it's applause, not a park

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whatever, it's not. It's notthe same thing under state law. But
what is a cross from where theywant to build the new city hall,
and it's across from the current cityHall sort of, there's a series of
parking lots. If you if youdrive down Loyal you see a holiday and
used to be that fame Howard Johnson'swhere the shooting was. But there's a
huge clarinet. You know why theclarinet's there? Pe fountain. I don't
have no idea. I know thethe sniper liked to play the claire Louis

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Armstrong. Oh and it played theclarinet. He played the coronet, the
clarinet. I did not know thatand the trumpet. And the reason why
it's there is if you look atthose parking lots that right on Poydrius,
there's a building called the Reu Slipperand then there are a series of small
buildings that are historic. One ofthem is the Arstovski's shop where Louis Armstrong

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lived. It was a Jewish familythat pretty much adopted it and they bought
him his first coronet. The otheris the place where he bought it,
and upstairs what's left of the buildingbecause part of it fell in was it
was one of the first jazz performancehalls. There's only three or four of
the buildings left, but right onPoydrous and three or four of these buildings

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there is an opportunity if we wantedto really historically recreate some of these buildings.
It's part of this rehabilitation project ofDuncan Plaza. We could actually recreate
what was called black Storyville. Nowpopular opinion for those that don't know,
Storyville was a seventy block area createdby a New Orleans alderman. That's what

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they were called then called Albert Sidney'sstory where a prostitution was neither legal nor
illegal, and it was in orderto track people to the now pseudo legalized
bordellos. They began playing music downstairs, music that was coming up the street,
and they used a euphemism for sexto call it what this music was,
which is what the word jazz comesfrom, and language just like anything

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else. Most people don't realize therewas a white Storyville and a Black Storyville.
This was segregation. The White Storyville, what we think of a Storyville,
became the Iveryville housing projects. Andthere's only one part of one building
left. There's part of Josie Arlington'shouse. That's one little space and you
wouldn't even recognize it if you didn'tknow what you were looking for. But

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there are these few buildings left fromBlack Storyville. And it was black and
Jewish and Chinese Storyville, and that'sthe point of that. So it was
where they're not in right now.Well, Jewish people, black people,
and Chinese people were equally excluded,and they lived in the same neighborhood.
And that's why the uh Trovski isa Jewish famly Lithuanian Jewish family took in
Lewis Armstrong as a young boy.We had a large China town at the

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time. In fact, Harry Lee'sancestor grandparents. I think we had the
first large immigration of Chinese and Americabecause in the Battle of New Orleans,
the Chinese were fighting for America thePhilipino the Filipinos were, but there were
Chinese settlements in the Philippines. Okay, so the Chinese. There's an opportunity
as we build a new city hallof what the city hall will be looking

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on. Because if we're taking thecurrent city hall and the current civil District
court and turning into green space basically, which is kind of what's being discussed,
and you have a city hall,if it's looking right across the street,
there is an an opportunity to recreatea neighborhood. And why am I
saying this? Why am I connectingthis because I was inspired by something I
saw on one of my trips.New Orleans is the child of Quebec,

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really the child of Montretreal, Montreal, but we're child of the province.
Quebec was partly there were some ofthe seven founding families of New Orleans.
One of them can from Quebec.The six came from Montreal. But the
point is Lower Quebec City, sothat you had the citadel at the top
where Chateau Frontiac is, the oldcity and the walls. Lower Quebec had
some historic buildings, but mostly itwas doc Lens. It was actually quite

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ugly up until about nineteen eighty three, huh. And there was an architect
who had this concept of recreating theold Lower Quebec, the lower old city.
There were just enough buildings that werehistoric, but there were quite a
few really modernist or really ugly buildings. He would rip down and he built
buildings that were, at least onthe outside, exact replicas of the buildings

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that were there before. He didthis with public and private money partnerships,
and they sold the properties inside,so they became homes and businesses and restaurants
and all this. And you can'ttell the difference about what's old and new.
A lot of architects will say thatis a betrayal, that is not
architectural purity. And there's a technicalterm for them, they're called fools.
So because their attitude is if it'sthat's inauthentic, Well, let me explain

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what happened. Nineteen eighty three theystart doing this. By nineteen eighty six
they created they double the size ofthe historic area of Quebec City as a
tourist destination. And in fact itleads up to a park where the cruise
ships go. So when you getoff the cruise ships, you're walking into
something that, as far as youknow, is on because some of the

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buildings date from the sixteen forties,like the church and some of the some
of the properties and the ones thatdon't. Unless you really know what you're
looking for, you cannot tell.Trust me. I took a tour group
there just a couple of weeks ago. I was showing them around, and
I said, identify the new andold buildings. And for those that say
you don't do that anywhere else,we did it. In the French quarter,
right across from the Erthline Convent,there are four buildings. So this

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Airline convent is the bourguard CA's house. There's a house right across the street,
and there's a house directly parallel toAerthline Convent, and I bring people
to that corner and I'll say,tell me what is the newest house here
in the newest building, and they'llinvariably say something like bourguard kais And I
look at them and I say lookdown, and the sidewalk curves down towards
the street, and I said,you know what was here until nineteen eighty

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two, a gas station. Theybuilt a building that looks exactly like the
building that was there before the gasstation, and it looks perfectly historic.
And we've been doing it in thequarter for years. There's nothing wrong with
that, and we have an opportunitythe original replica is I love. They're
great, especially when you have originalbuildings in it. And this is my
argument. One of the things PressKavakov told me years ago was the French

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Quarter has too many tourists to beable sustainable on the infrastructure. You need
to get tourists and people visitors outsideof the French Quarter. It's too much
of a concentration, too many peoplein just small us and people go there
for music and fun and bars andstuff. What would be more than saying,
hey, come to the Storyville district, which is right across from our
City Hall, and this could bepart of a major redevelopment that creates this

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historic atmosphere right on Poidrous where thereare most of our hotels are. And
this is what I'm getting at,and this is going full circle. You
asked about building the building at fortyfive million, and I'm right. You're
right. It would be probably cheaperjust to buy Frank Stewart's building, of
course, by the old Freeport Macmaranbuilding. But there's an opportunity if we
take it to rebuild this courthouse andthis city Hall on the old Supreme Court

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and do it as a larger redevelopmentthat's historic and where the building that we're
building kind of fits in with what'sacross the street that is something classic you
would have seen in the nineteenth century. In other words, there's an opportunity
to create a footprint of New Orleansthat will serve us both customers and personal
people for the next century or more. And folks to hear about Storyville.

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If you've never heard the story ofStoryville. The alderman Christopher was talking about
mister story Albert City Story was avery moral man, good church going guy,
a devoted Presbyterian. Yeah, neverdrank, never smoke, never went
to a prostitute right, and neverchewed, and never talked to gals who

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did chew. Anyway, he youknow, he was tired of seeing horrores
all over the city because they hadmagnificent houses of prostitutes and scattered throughout the
city. If you've ever been toCommander's Palace that was originally a sport team
club, in other words, ahigh class house of prostitution. He was
tired of seeing this all over thecity, and he thought, if we
can just put them all together inone place, it'll help clean up the

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city. We can't eliminate prostitution,it's, you know, the oldest profession
in the world, but at leastwe can try to put some control on
it and maybe do health regulations andwhatnot. And that was the whole idea
behind it. So he was andit passed. He was so hippy,
he felt so great. And thenwhat do they do. They named a
location for whores after him, afterthe one man he devastated, who was

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like he was trying, he wasliterally trying to get it. There was
no zoning in New Orleans, soand the Comorada Family is an example of
this that lends the name to Community'sPalace. Basically, when that building open,
the original structure of the building,they moved it into an exclusive neighborhood
because there was no way to stopit. So this was a civic This
was a way of trying to Hewas inspired by the red Light District of

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Amsterdam of a way to control thisand control vice. And that's part of
the reason why jazz became as bigas it did. It was not the
only jazz was already developing on thestreets. It's not just the bordellos.
It's a myth to say that,but it's also but it became more popular.
Yeah, it was of all theseplays they were advertising. They were
advertising in the newspapers. There wasactually a book called if You by Patricia

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Arsenal. She assembled it over thehistoric Nuance Collection. We have it at
the Garden District Bookshop. I highlyencourage you. It's called the Blue Books
where you could go and see theservices and then we want the own study
with prostitutes and house the prostitution.So all the visitors that in many visitors.
You know, we've always been abig tourisday. They hear all that
they go and have all that funand hear all that great jazz music.
Well, so what do they do. They go back to their homes and

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hire the jazz musicians. A lotof them went to Chicago, so it
ended up spreading jass all over thecountry. It did. And the way
they attracted visitors because when you weren'tin the you know, in the specialty
guides if you will, the sportingguides as they called them, you would
if you need a newspaper, youadvertised a band that was playing. And
the interesting thing about Storyville is ithad black and white Storyville, but because

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it was a district where prostitution waseither legal nor illegal, it was the
one place on earth we talked aboutthis where were there places where blacks and
whites could pray together. Not generalwhites Italians who were considered not quite white.
It was Storyville. So the pointabout this is Storyville is an example
of integration at a time when itwas in Storyville's a p sect art form.
And if we don't think about recreatingthe one piece of Storyville, we

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have about a ten square block area, then when we're redoing the city Hall.
Then we're losing an opportunity, whereasthis could be a real boost in
the tourist and cultural meleleu of NewOrleans and a place where they're literally at
least three dozen hotels straightened down upand down Poetry Street, and would be
hotels and restaurants well in styrestoryfel ifyou use the Quebec city example. What

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they did was the buildings are madeto look exactly as they were, so
they used exact things. And bythe way, a similar thing was done
in the old city of Warsaw afterthe bombing. You walk around, you
think Warsaw has never bombed. Theydid it. Their restaurants, their shops.
They basically there are small hotels,but for the most part, what
they're what the area specific is isto try to have a place where people

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go around hearing music, hearing food. Remember there are hotels literally on all
four sides of it, so it'snot like this. We're talking about a
less than an eight block square blockarea, so right across from City Hall.
Perfect way, perfect to do this, perfect tribute. We could even
have a small bit of it thathistorically was Chinese. We could have a
couple of the Chinese clubs there,that it would really be good for the

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city, and it's somehow we couldbring back the house and little on that
note. On that note, folks, we could take a quick commercial back
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just had a very exciting show aboutStoryville. And I know, Christopher,
what else do you want to getinto? What kind of mischief more are
we going to pursue on this show? Well, I kept thinking about your
comment. You know how we spendmoney, and sometimes it's because you got
contractors and we put all this moneyand we don't really do it. Well,
I got a little depressing piece ofinformation for you. Hi. According

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to a new Center Square study,every Louisiana resident owes eighteen nine hundred dollars
to cover the state's debt. Soif we take the state's debt and we
said tomorrow the state debt has tobe paid, every single person in the
state of Louisiana has got to writea check for eighteen thousand, nine hundred
dollars, which I don't think couldhappen. Honestly, I don't think most

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people would have nine hundred dollars Thestate owes twenty two point eight billion dollars
or a d having a taxpayer burden, the average Louisianian pays between five and
twenty thousand dollars in taxes, whichmeans we're forty third in taxes, which
considering isn't too bad compared to otherstates, except when you figure that we're

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fiftieth on everything else, we're fiftiethin our schools. I mean, you
think if we were forty third intaxes and forty third in the rankings,
you'd be like, Okay, youknow you get what you pay for.
No, no, no, we'renot even close to that. So we
got eighteen thousand dollars to be thetop of the bottom of the crim of
the crab. And one of thethings that's interesting about Governor elect at Landry,
and then one of the things isthe interest. One of the ways

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he won that people haven't really caughton too was the political establishment. While
people in some circles, certainly prochoice forces, were not very positive about
Jeff Landry, a pro life advocate, others said, for the most part,
a lot of the Louisiana constituencies thataren't exactly pro business kind of like
Jeff Landry. He got a hugeamount of trial lawyer money. I mean,

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he was basically I've never seen aRepublican get trial lawyer money like Jeff
Landry did. The trial lawyers werefully behind him, They're like, you
didn't care about tort reform. Forgetthat. A lot of the business people
the reason they were behind Wagon's backis because Landry doesn't really care about changing
the tax cut. He's not likeRichard Nelson, who wants to get rid
of the income tax. Anytime youask Landry about taxes, he basically says,

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well, he says, in myshot, I don't know, we
should change some taxes make things better. Well, what should you do?
Well, we have to see.It's like, you know, there's a
wonderful if you've ever seen the musicalThe Best lat Whohouse in Texas or the
movie, there's this wonderful that theTexas politicians says every single time I'm asked
a question, I do a littleside step. Now you see me,
Now you don't dose away. Andthat's kind of Jeff Landry pretty much every

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Republican issue but one. And Igive him credit on this. Jeff Landry
is probably the loudest supporter of schoolvouchers in school choice in the United States
really, and one of the thingsthat you're finding is he constantly brought up
the fact that Louisiana schools have thatwe've gone up a little bit. We've
gone from fiftyeth to like forty sixforty seventh, but if you just noted

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the forty third, I just toldyou taxation. And basically we have one
of the worst debt burdens of moststates in the country, like Northeastern states,
which are much richer states. Obviously, eighteen thousand, nine hundred dollars
is a big difference in New YorkState than it would be in Louisiana,
where the average income in Louisiana isforty six thousand dollars for a forty nine
thousand dollars for a couple, andthe average income for a couple in New

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York is one hundred and ten.That's the proportion per Capit is different.
Right. We have advanced a littlebit with the advent of charter schools in
New Orleans and all this, butbasically we haven't gone very far. And
Landry John Bell Edwards was not anadvocate of school choice or school vouchers,
but he basically didn't touch it.After an initial plan, he basically left
alone. He didn't expand what BobbyJendall did, but he never really got

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rid of it. He kind ofstayed there. And there are some schools
that have done haveed wonders. There'salso I'll be the first one to say
some schools, particularly some Catholic schools, they have ninety six percent vouchers that
have performed as badly as some publicschools. Just because you have a school,
you've got to change educational policy.Well, one of the things Landry
wants to do about three or fourthings, but one of the things he
wants to do is expand the voucherprogram across the state. And it's going

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to be kind of an interesting battleagainst some of his rural Republican supporters because
a lot of rural parishes like theirschool is everything. But one of the
things that's coming out of Landry administrationis if you're not an A level school,
a really high performing public school,the money should follow the kid to
whatever school they want to go to, right regardless to some extent of income.

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Landry is not a purist when itcomes to the idea just has to
be poor kids. He's like,wait that people are paying taxes, whatever
school they want to go to.It doesn't have to be a restricted school,
like right now, vouch your money, whereas you can go to a
public magnet school that has testing.You can't go to avouch a school that
accepts vouchers that has any form ofentrance and exams. So if I have

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a voucher, for example, thevoucher would cover going the basic tuition at
Jesuit, but I couldn't go toJesuit or my kid couldn't get it,
however you want to say it couldn'tgo to Jesuit because it has entrance requirements.
It's one of those things that hekind of wants to torpedo. This
is his big issue, and it'sit is the Republican issue that connects.
It's also honestly an issue that isclose to the heart of the Roman Catholic

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Church because they have the most numberof schools and they're losing I mean,
I hate to say this. Nomatter how noble you are, self interest
place some role in politics. Andwhen you own a whole bunch of schools
and you're losing money because of lawsuitsand you have a lot of educators you've
got to pay for and the statecould provide it. It kept a lot
of public Catholic schools alive in Orleansthat could do the stat across Acadiana.

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Where's Jeff Landry from a Kadana?Where did most of the Catholic go?
Yeah? Where did the most thekids go? A Katianna. So it
plays into this whole idea. Ifwe truly became a full school choice state
where basically the average spending it variesfrom parish to parish, but the average
spending, let's say it's about elevento fifteen thousand dollars per kid. That

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is a school tuition at most everyschool, all but a small handful.
That's the sort of ISAs schools.The newman Saint Martin's Country Day which are
about like thirty or forty, butit opens ninety percent of schools. If
he does this, there will notbe public schools as we know a Louisiana.
Will there be better education? Well, that's the great debate. If

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you open it this widely, ifyou destroy the public system as we know
it, if you have a fullchoice, will it work? Well?
It works. For healthcare, wedon't have public We have some public hospitals
with private hospitals, but your Medicarecare can go to either. HI actually
choose is to go to the mostpublic of all public eyes, which was
the VA. But that's just it. Yeah, it's because of that I

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need more advanced work. I goto the private sector. So but so
you're looking at a fight. Andone of the things that Landry has been
doing is if you noticed, therewas a big turnover on the Board of
Elementary and Secondary Education. Paul Hollisgot elected over Lauren Jewett, who's an
old who's was supported by the teachersunions. Same has happened in others.
Right now Landry governor elect. Landryis about to appoint when he sees he

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gets in office day one, hisappointees that will be just as pro vouchers
as some of the new elected officials, So you won't be able to the
state Board of Education will have thesupporters of vouchers. And the legislate He's
going to move a bill for thelegislature and this may be the biggest voucher
bill in the country. And thisis the question. One of the reasons
Jeff Landry's doing this is this isthe easiest way to get national attention.

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And I disagree with Jeff Landry inmany different points, but I have to
give him say, this is adaring thing. He's doing it is where
he's on all the economic things Icare about. He doesn't care. Frankly,
he just doesn't. He's basically atrial lawyer. He says, you
know, got a four point twofive percent and a very successful businessman.
And he's not in the law enforcement. He was he was, he was,

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he was, he was a districtCopy said, I'm not putting him
down. I mean he's not he'snot a great instrumentous talent but in fields.
But I do say that he's notthe Republican reformer I would have liked.
Wagon's back was closer that Richard Nelsonwas the guy I really liked in
the field who wanted a big idea. The big idea was how can we
get rid of the Louisiana income taxbecause we're sandwiched between Texas and Florida.

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Maybe we will. Landry has nointerest to the legislators to do it.
We got a two thirds majority inboth houses. It takes me why will
they not do it? Simple becausewe don't know how what to replace it
with the answer, Yeah, yougot to get money to run government.
I mean, we we're not thefederal government. We can't we can't can't
cut their take you can't. Well, what we can't do, honestly,
High, is be the federal governmentprint money. We know that's that's one

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of of our problems. If you'regoing to get rid of the income tax,
you have to do what other statesdo, which is basically put in
a state property tax, which ourconstitution allows up to ten mills. Good
luck with that property is our oilindustry. Are other great industries we had
could be fully developed that could endthe income tax. The challenge, the

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challenge. The challenge we got withoil is almost all of our oil that
we're doing for off is offshore compressionnow and all to be on the land.
Also, they're killing it. There'sthere's some FRA regulations are destroying us.
There's some fracking, but it's notthere is not even talking about FRA.
No. But my point being high, there's not. We can't.
One of the mistakes we made inthe nineteen seventies was relying so much in

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the oil boom that we thought itwould go on forever. We can't.
You know, you can't. Youcan't be earl long. Tax don't tax,
you don't tax me, tax theguy behind the tree. We got
to if we're going to get ridof do major tax reform, we have
to actually confront somebody's got to paythe taxes. And if you're not going
to tax income, you probably haveto tax property, which is what the
founders we are the Founder Show,that's kind of what they head in mind.

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But in Louisiana, you tell ahomeowner I'm going to raise property taxes,
good luck with that. It's likeone of those you know, never
never, No, it's like donot ever do pay enough to property taxes?
Anyway, Well that's true. Soanyway, we're going to see what
happens with Landry, but expect thatthere's going to be a lot of pushback
and a major thing and one ofthe subtexts of the conversation, and I've
just closed with this is the fighton who's going to be the next speaker

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of the Louisiana House Representatives Senate Presidenthas been determined. It is going to
be Cameron Henry. That's pretty muchthe deal is done. The METTERI old
Jefferson legislator who actually I ran forall the books. Yeah, he's gone
all the way to become Senate President. Steve Scalici's former aide and Scalisa introduced
him at his victory party at camerHenry's. But the House speakership is up

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in the air, and one ofthe interesting sodbars is one of the favorites
that's coming out as a coalition candidate. We talked about coalition candidates last week
and the US House representatives. Well, her name is Stephanie Hilfordy. She's
a Republican from the Lakeview Bucktown area, and she is being put forward by
a coalition of moderate mostly New Orleansarea Republicans along with pretty much all Democrats.

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And to see whether or not she'snot being supported by Jeff Landry,
and that will be a subtext inthis whole conversation about vouchers, to see
who's gonna be the Speaker of theHouse. And I don't know how that's
gonna play out, but that's gonnabe the first major fight Jeff Lander's gonna
have. Is he going to controlthe leadership of both houses of the legislature,
because as you pointed out, thelegislature has to act first. On
that note, folks, we gota lot more to talk about in the

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coming weeks, of course, theelections coming up. We're also going to
be doing some remote shows coming awayfrom the Grand Canyon where we're gonna be
broadcasting next week. Wow, broadcastingfrom the Grand Canyon, the Rattlesnake Radio
right up there, Rasak Radio.We're gonna a and werena have Harry Hoyler
actually from Ralstack Radio on the comingweeks as well. He's he he's sent

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us a request to actually send theSaints Aints bags. Yeah, for the
Arizona Cardinals. He's come out andsaid we should send bags. We told
him, unfortunately, Harry, wemay need them the way the Saints are
playing to put the bags on thehead. So all that and more coming
up in the coming weeks. Hereon the Founder's Show, Future folks,
I'm going to explain to you whenyou've heard of deja vu, where you

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need to hear about dejah pooh deshaoo tie wait. I'm gonna hold it
now, so be listening for oneof the future shows. We'll be back,
folks with a patriotic and spiritual moment. Right after these import messages,
stay tuned more the Foundy Show rightafter this. Well, Hello beloved brethren,
and this is Chaplin High McHenry andI'm here to tell you about our

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ministry, LAMB Ministries. We arean inner city ministry with an intercity focus
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gang bangers and really, you know, the tough, the hard cases of
our world and our society. There'sa lot of tragedy, but there's a
lot of victory. We've seen closeto five thousand kids come to Christ.

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We have seen hundreds go on tolive productive, good, responsible lives.
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Well folks were back. And thisis chapelin igh makeenery. And it is
now time for us to go intoour chaplain by a patriotic moment as we
continue with the founders. So andtoday we want to share this with you.
This is where we teach our JudeoChristian jurisprudence, our biblical foundations of
America. The very ones are foundingfathers. Followed today, I want to

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talk about two great, really greatfamous black preachers. One of was named
Lot Carry, the other one's nameReverend Colin Tigue. They were both ministers.
Lot Carry was born as a slavein seventeen eighty in Charles City,
County, Virginia. In eighteen oseven, he became a disciple of Jesus

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during the Second Great Awakening Revival.This swept the entire country. A white
deacon named William Crane taught him reading, writing, and arithmetic and the Bible.
Carrie worked as a supervisor of awarehouse till eighteen thirteen, where he
had then saved up enough money tobuy his freedom. He attended the first
Baptist church in Richmond, a whitechurch there where he met Colin Teigue and

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then they both began to preach together. Colin Tigue was born in seventeen eighty
Also as a slave in Virginia,he worked as a saddle and harness maker,
saving up to thirteen hundred dollars todaythat would be half a million dollars
with which he purchased the freedom notjust for himself but his whole family.
Though he had no formal education,he was known for his sound judgment and

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piety. In eighteen fifteen, Carrieand Tigue founded the Richmond African Baptist Missionary
Society. In eighteen nineteen, theywere appointed by the Baptist Triunal Convention in
cooperation with the American Colonialization Society,to be missionaries in West Africa. In
eighteen twenty one, Tigue and Kerriewarordained and organized the Baptist Church with their

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wives, tigue sixteen year old sonHillary, and another couple before leaving for
Africa. After a forty day journeyforty four day journey, they reached Sierra
Leone, where they worked manual laborin unbearable heat and insects in eighteen twenty
two, they reached Monrovia, Liberia. Now Monrovia was named literally after John

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Monroe, famous American president who longwith Robbie Lee and Abraham Lincoln and others,
founded a nation. They purchased ita nation in Africa for those who
were getting the African Americans who weregaining their freedom, the enslaved people of
America, and they wanted to goback to their mother country. We want
to go back to Africa. Theycould go back and have a home,
and many of them did. LotCarry pioneered the colony's first church, Providence

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Baptist Church, and served as thecolony's acting governor till his death in eighteen
twenty eight. And by the way, that founding of Monrovia by John Monroe,
Robbie Lee, Abraham Lincoln and others, that is considered to be literally
the beginning of the civil rights movement, although it actually really started in sixteen
nineteen in Virginia where the slaves weregiven the status of indentured servants and were

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not slaves, and then they wereset free within three to seven years with
the tools that they had to betaught a trade and the tools of their
trade and were the right to remainin the employ their master for a former
master another two more years to givethem a financial stakehold. This is a
practice in Virginia, and that's whywhen slavery did become legal in the South,

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it first became legal in the Northand then later it caught on in
the South. Uh they still keptthat concept where a slave could could buyas
freedom in the case of intentioned servants. Over half of the Europeans that came
were indentured servants because it was soexpensive across the Atlantic, so you basically
purchased your trip with your labor thatyou gave when you arrived to the College

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of the New World. Colin Teaguewas also a co pastor at the Providence
Baptist Church there in Liberia that theyfounded, and both of them remained in
that position until they passed to weighin the eighteen twenties and thirties, and
his son, Hilary T. Becamea respected Liberian pastor, newspaper editor,
and political leader. These were trulygreat African Americans in our world, and

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folks, you know, they remindme of the fellow who predated them,
Richard, Reverend Richard Allen who foundedthe African Methodist the pittsicph Church. This
is what he said later in life. He said, this land, meaning
America, which we have watered withour tears in our blood, is now
our mother country, and we arewell satisfied to stay where wisdom of bounds

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and the Gospel is free. Theseare the very words that these other two
great African Americans, these two preachersaforementioned, also had similar words in the
conclusion of their ministries. Well,folks, I think these guys had a
huge impact on the biblical foundations ofAmerica and certainly in the African American community.

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And we are seeing that to thisday that one of the strongest parts
of the entire Christian Church in Americais still the African Church, although it
is having its problems along with allthe churches in America. We're suffering an
extreme collapse of Christianity in America rightnow with all denominations, I mean across
the board. It's very tragic.We need to fight back, folks.
If you're a Christian out there,you better start praying. If you love

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God and you love your church,and you love your country, you better
do something the way A wait.Folks, it's not time for us to
go into finding out. He said, the gospel is free. It is
free. The Bible says, forwe have been sitting as we go now
into our chaplain by by a gospelmoment. The scripture says that for we
have been saved by grace. Thatmeans free gift. We've been saved by

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grace through faith. And even thatis not of ourselves. It is a
gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. You.
See, if you want to getto heaven, you have the only
way to get there is to takeit as a free gift. If you
try to add anything to it,your good works, you're righteous. Whatever,
you cancel the deal, and you'renot going to heaven. I don't
care how religious you are. You'renot going to heaven. You have to

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come to the cross realizing that you'rea hopeless, poverty stricken, homeless beggar
with nothing to bring to God butyour sin. In this moment you do
that, you have just repented.That's what repentance is. When you say,
my righteousness is just not good enough. When you do that, folks,
you just repented. It's in yourmind. It's in your heart.
It's part of your faith, andthe next part of your faith is to

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believe that only he can, thathe did, and that He will save
you from hell and guarantee you everlastin life because He died for all of
your sins, was buried and rosefrom the dead to win for you his
precious free gift of resurrection, everlasting life and a total and absolute,
complete payment for all of your sins. I mean, from the day you're
born and the day you die,your tiniest to your greatest sins. If

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you've never done that before, doit now. Timetime for us to go
into our chaplain bah bah watchmen onthe ball. We just talk about in
times and the fact that Jesus iscoming back, I mean really soon.
And it goes like this, folks. I mean, we've already brought this
up before, but let's do itagain because we're right in the middle of
it. Violence, violence through violentpeople, and violence through war. Folks.

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We're seeing it right now. We'reseeing the Middle East about ready to
kick off, and if this continues, it's highly likely we will go into
what we call the Ezekiel thirty eightthirty nine war, which is a world
war and probably involves nuclear weapons,according to the scripture. And it's gonna
be bad, folks. It's goingto be the beginning of the last seven
years of this earth, which aregoing to become absolute hell on earth,

(52:29):
like the worst times that have everhappened in this world. According to Jesus,
he says, it's gonna be theworst, worse than the days of
Noise. We'll be like the daysof nor but worse worse than that.
Folks. You don't want to behere during that time. You need safety.
You need safety, folks. Andthe safety you can find you can
always find in the greatest bunker,the greatest cave, the greatest safe house

(52:50):
you'll ever find. And that bunkeris made by none other than Heavenly Manufacturing
Company. And it's the name ofthe bunker is the Lord Jesus Christ.
So go to him now, findhim. Now, find your safety and
security with him. Now before it'stoo late. It can get too late
for you, folks. Don't waituntil it's too late. And again,

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like the scripture says, now todayis the day of salvation. If you've
never done that, do that now. Believe that Jesus really did die for
all your sins was buried and rosefrom the dead, and you will be
guaranteed everlasting life. Well, folks, thanks so much for being with today,
as we're not close with a mind. Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye
and God bless all out there.We call you creel goodbye. They think

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we're just wasting time off free simone, love me. There's time for a
Creo goodbye.