Will the state takeover the New Orleans Sewerage & Water Board?

Gov. Jeff Landry has floated the idea of a state takeover of the New Orleans Sewerage & Water Board. Hy and Christopher remind the audience that it IS a Louisiana state agency after all, but why isn’t there more local opposition?  We explain.

In our breaking story segment, we unveil the discussions about a possible deal—where a “property service fee” might take the place of the current property tax millage.  Such a swap would mean homeowners pay less but tjhe S&WB raises more money!  How, you ask?  Tulane University, the Feds, and the Catholic Church pay up, of course.

Also, we visit with Swine Krewe (www.swinekrewe.org) and the upcoming Hogs for the Cause.

And then finally, in celebration of Saint Joseph’s Day (besides talking about the altars) Hy and Christopher recount the story of Santa Fe’s Loretto Chapel—and a miracle which may be scientifically proven?

Episode Transcript

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Battles the politicians addressed the digit datorsand magicians whose to see the money,
then you don't, there's nothing tofill the holes? Well, then are
filling their pockets. Battles the politiciansbouncing down the road, every batisition with

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no moment, corruption and dysfunction.It's gone a day, Divide it avention
the legislative sessions on It looks likethere's a looming deal for the state to
take over the Sugeon Waterboard. Howeverit could do it and in revolutionizing the
way that you pay your rates andtaxes in a way that some universities may

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actually pay for the first time torebuild a sewer system in Orleans. But
speaking of students is also an activeopportunity. It looks like Louisiana will join
the thirteen states that put forward educationalsavings accounts. If you make less than
seventy five thousand dollars, you mightactually have money to send your kids to
private or parochial school. But alsowe're looking a little further ahead at Hogs
for the Cause with Robert Rosamond talkinga little bit about how we're helping pH

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brain cancer by having some of thebest meals you can of pork available on
the fourth and fifth. At last, but not least, we're talking about
a true miracle on this show atthe Loretto Chapel one. You can go
see, folks, and is scientificallyproven, something even we've never been able
to talk about prior in the tenyears we've done The Founder Show. All

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this and more in this edition ofThe Founder Show. Well, that's exciting,
Christopher, and God bless you allout there. You are now listening
to the Founders Show, the voiceof the Founding Fathers. You are Founding
Fathers coming to you deep within thebowels of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps
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and high up on top of thatold Liberty Cypress tree way out on the
Eagles Branch is none other then yourSpingary Bubbay the Republic Chaplain Hi mcceinry with
Christopher Tidmore. You'r roving reporter,resident radical moderate and associate editor of the
Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dotnet. And we're taking our politics a

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little closer to home. In fact, it's pretty much swimming home with what
we're talking about. If anybody paidattention to the news, twenty million dollars
the Sewage and Water Board was offtwenty million dollars on repairing pump four.
So for that reason, ladies andgentlemen, we won't actually in the city
of New Orleans have a pump systemthat works until the end of May.

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Last time I checked, I remembernineteen ninety eight there were a lot of
raids in May that put us undertwenty seven inches. This is not something
that makes me feel comfortable now now, almost as comfortable as I feel when
it's justified. According to one estimate, seventy six percent of the water that
goes through the pipes of New Orleansis lost and it drips out its subsidence.

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It's lost outside of the pipes.Now I say, it's cracked in
the cracks and the pipes. Forthose that wonder about why our streets collapse,
it's because we literally have man maderivers under our streets that cause the
asphalt to collapse. And here's somethingthat'll really frighten you. From our sewerage
and our water supply. Now that'sjust swerge water supply, So we lose

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both basically, so we have toxicityand we have lack of water and storm.
That's a separate system. People onthe road that our storm runoff does
not go through the sewerage. They'reseparate, and like India they put it
all together and borders a stink.Ours are separate. But there's all the
pipes though need to replace. Infact, here's one of the things that
most people know. If you fivepercent of the pipes of Orleans Parish,

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according to one estimate, and I'mnot making this up, folks are still
cypress pipes. Oh come on,there's there's what a testimony that the quality
of Maybe we better go back tocypress buyers. They're probably the ones that
leaked the least. I mean yeah, But the fact is we need major,
major infrastructural investment or our sewer system. Even the biggest critics, the

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most taxophobic critics, are like,this is really bad, but nobody trusts
the Sewage and Water Board to dothis. Not so much. The members
of the surgeon Warter Board, thecurrent crop of them, I'm actually Poko
Slaws and others have been doing apretty good job. The current director of
the Sewage and Water Board was sayingGlassman is really a fantastic hydro engineer.
He straightened out the Milwaukee system.He'd say something, if Poko's involved with

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this, something good's gonna Hatten.Well, well, he is a guy
that gets things done and he's honorable. He's a great man. So I
didn't know that. I'm so glad, and so is Janet Howard, who
was I'm sure who's she was,former head of the Bearer of Governmental Research
and others. This is there's agood group that's on the Sewage and Water
Board. Who's a chairman, Poco. Yeah, he's putting good men on,
that's what's going on. Well,it's women. He didn't He doesn't

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actually appoint the members of the searcherinwater has influence. But the point I'm
getting at at this is that rightnow the Sewage and Water Board is sort
of a quasi state city thing.For those that don't know the history,
the Sewersion War Board pre dates mostof the urban home rule parts of the
Orleans City Charter, and so itwas established by the state in the nineteenth

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century to start the sewer systems,and it's actually a state department. Yeah,
most people don't notice it's funded bythe taxpayers of New Orleans as mostly
some rate payments, but mostly byyour property taxes. But it's actually run
by the state, which gives thestate incredible authority if it wants to use
it. No governor has. Folks, you may not know this, but

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our surgeon water system and our leviesand everything, our whole water controls for
New Orleans back when it was donehundred years, one hunred and fifty years
ago. During that time period,we would consider to be the model for
the world. Nations from all aroundthe world came to study the New Orleans
water system. It was so good. We were doing things no one had
ever done before. We've set thestandard and now look at us today.

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The pumps designed by Edward Baldwood Woodwere actually the models, the ones that
we were used in New Orleans,or the model for the pumps they use
the Netherlands and for years. AndI'm glad they're well designed, not only
because that's my wife's great great grandfather, but because we're still using many of
the same pumps that were built byEdward Baldwin Wood over a century. But

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that's the problem. We actually knewnew capital investment, we got over confidence,
all right, so success, letme let me explain to you what's
going on. So there's a billthat's going before the legislature to take over
the sewage and the water board inexchange. It would allow an increase in
rates. But here's the part you'renot getting in the press that we're giving
to you on the Founder Show,because we always tell you what's behind the

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scenes. There's a move to changethe way you're taxed for sewage and water.
Right now, you pay a propertytax, and it's a pretty high
property tax. It doesn't achieve it. But what it means is every property
tax exempted organization in Orleans Parish doesn'tpay a time they're in Orleans Parish,

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by the way, there are quitea few. One is called Tulane University,
another's called Loyal University, another's calledthe University of New Orleans. Another's
called the Roman Catholic Church, anotheris called a lot of our Industrial Plant,
and another is called the Federal government. We have a huge amount of
federal facilities, both military and private, in Orleans Parish. They don't pay
one dollar towards the sewerage system,towards the water system, towards the drainage

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system. The idea is to putin what's called a property service fee.
This has been done in a fewother cities, not many, but about
five or six others have been verysuccessful. In other words, not only
put it on top, actually getrid of the property tax. So we
get rid of The deal that's comingtogether is the state will take over and
give the right to sewage and waterboardto get rid of most, if not

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all of the property taxes. Sothe average amount that the average homeowner pays
is the same as what they're payingin property tax or less. But what
will happen is not only will universities, religious institutions, and others, even
small churches pay this that aren't payingit now. But what will happen is
there will be more money coming inat a lower cost. Now, obviously

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to say that this is unpopular forit and then it's the best part of
I think is that we're making thefederal government pay part of this because it's
a fee. Just like they haveto pay their electric bill, they'd have
to pay their rate fee, theirproperty service fee. The problem is the
people who are against this are churcheswho don't want to pay this because they
don't pay property taxes right now.The universities don't want to pay this,

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and institutions, and so the ideais, will Governor Jeff Landry pull the
trigger on doing this and allowing thisto rate to go. It will mean,
though, if it is instituted bythe legislature first, the city of
New Orleans will no longer probably themayor will not and the council will not
have appointments on the sewage and waterboard. It will be stay controlled,

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but the average amount that you,as a tax payer will pay will go
down even as we get millions ofdollars more. That happens when only twenty
five percent of the people are carryingor twenty five percent the properties are carrying
one hundred percent of the weight.So we're going to see how that comes
in. That's one of the majortwo changes. I probably believe income producing
properties owned by churches should be taxed, but this will include they're making money

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off of it. It is notthe church buildings, but the church building
will be taxed as a school.But I'm talking about all their other properties.
And but some of these churches ownhuge amounts of real estate and they
make great profits on they should bepaid. But but I will tell you,
so will the churches at this point, so will the university classrooms.
Now this is no respector if youhave square footage, you pay it,

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period, end of discussion. Becausethe idea is that everybody uses a toilet.
So it's a very straightforward. Ithink the other major revolution in this
legislature to get it in is veryimportant to churches and schools and what we're
talking about, and that has todo with it's called the educational savings accounts.
The way it's structured and the wayit's going in, if you're going
to make less than seventy five thousanddollars a year, you will be able

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to essentially credit back all of themoney that you send to send your kids
to private or parochial schools against thecount that is, in Louisiana terms,
roughly eighty percent of the population,eighty percent of our population makes less than
seventy five thousand dollars a year,which shows you what a poor state we
are. But what it means isthat a lot of people who are in
private to send their kids to privateand parochial schools right now will suddenly see

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that their tuition payments are essentially taxcredits. They're essentially taken off of it.
And there's a huge fight of this. This is a major priority of
Governor Jeff Landry's and it would probablyincrease the private and parochial schools. The
public school associations in the school BoardAssociation in particular, is radically against this
because they're saying what you're doing,you're saying is going to cost about thirty

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million. When it was tried inArizona, it costs nine hundred million.
It's the average person is going totake advantage of this. But it goes
to one of those philosophical questions.If you're paying to send your kids to
private and parochial school, you're alreadypaid property taxes to send them to school,
right, right, So why shouldn'tyou be able to get part of

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that back. School officials say,well, a lot of the voucher schools
haven't been successful, but so far, the only what has happened is the
only people who've been able to sendtheir kids to private schools are people who
make less than thirty five thousand dollarsa year. So this will expand it
into most of the working middle class. Which is really terrifying when you think
about seventy five thousand dollars. Inmost of the rest of the country is

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poor. Here it's the middle class. But it really says something that we've
got an This may be the biggestreform, but it could cost the state
as much as two or three hundredmillion dollars, which means in order to
pay for this bill, we mayhave to keep the four point four to
five percent sales tax on and JeffLandry may be the interesting thing of raising
taxes to keep or keeping taxes highto keep educational choice. Is that a

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good trade off? Yeah? Idon't know, Chris. That's one of
these puzzling questions that we have toface and deal with it. But I
got one question for you back toSerge water Board, and that is this,
Are they still going to allow thoseblack and yellow Serge waterboard trucks?
Are they going to allow them still? Well, you know what's black and
orange and sleep six a souage andwaterboard truck. That was the point of
my question. Yeah, my pointbeing that the job folks. Honestly,

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I've met a lot of the peoplewho work for Surge and Waterboard. They
work very hard. They're heavily,heavily underfunded, I know. And there's
a huge amount of bureaucracy. Andone of the things, one of the
problems that nobody seems to be addressingis even if you take over the sewage
and water board, the state maycontrol the first seven inches, but the
city controls the remainder. What doyou do about that when you got two
separate sets upon Yeah, all right, on that note, folks, we'll

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be back after these important messages.We're going to talk a little bit about
the hog. We're going to talka little bit about hogs for the cause.
Hogs, man, we'll come back. I'm gonna get myself a Vietnamese
pot belly pig. I can't waitfor you. No, no, no,
no, they're great. We're talkingabout we're talking about eating hogs.
You can't you give people on hogsfor the causes. Coming up on an
April fifth, fourth and fifth,Robert Rosemond of the Swine Crew dot Org
is joining us here in the foundersof Vietnamese Eat Theirs, I promise,

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yeah, but not the pets.We're going to be back talk about hogs
of the cause. Folks. Yougot to clear you calendars of the fourth
and fifth. Come join the SwineCrew. Will be back with Robert rosemind
right for this stin tend folks,Sin's Chapelhei McHenry and I'm here to tell
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and giving away food in this spiritualweek of Saint Patrick's Day in Saint Joseph's
Day that we're joined by a guywho has donated a lot of his time
and efforts over the year is tohelping people. That's Robert Rosemont and he's
he's one of the teams that isseeking support for what is called Hogs for
the Cause. Robert, welcome tothe program. As always, hogs.
I love hogs, Robert. Ican't wait to have one of your hogs.

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In fact, I'm going to geta pet. I'm going to a
Vietnamese pitt belly pig. I can'twait to I don't think that's what they
do with the hogs their food.Hogs are smarter than dogs. Hogs aren't
are amazing? Well, people arereally gonna want to eat the pork this
way? No, actually, yousend them to heaven with yeah, go
to glory. They're glad to getout. All hogs go to heaven,

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all dogs go to No dogs goto heaven too. Let's let's actually get
back to the topic. So whatRobert, First of all, what is
Hogs for the Cause for? Because, believe it or not, I've known
I thought everybody knew what this was. But I've walked in the street and
people are like it's a what I'venever heard of this, but it's huge.
What is Hogs for the Cause?Sure? So. Hogs for the
Cause is a charity that raises moneyfor families suffering from Peter theatric brain cancer.

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Their biggest event is the Hogs forthe Callus Festival, which this weekend,
sorry this year is April fifth andsix, out of the UNL Festival
grounds. Last year they raised threepoint six million dollars during this event,
four families suffering from with children sufferingfrom pubiatric friend. You know, let
me let me just interject something quickly. When I was years ago on a

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radio show I had many years agoon w S h O, I had
a good good friend his young boywas dying of brain cancer and it was
very heartbreaking, and so I callthe show. On the show, I
called everybody to pray for that boy. And when it was over, I
call my friend. He's a realgood friend. His son had taken radical

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one to eighty terms terms for thebetter. He's now a totally great guy,
I mean great health, doing great. That's a wonderful miracle. So
yeah, God does, but thosehogs are important. But no, But
the point is that for a lotof families. This is a powerless situation.
Yeah, it's an incredibly expensive probablyif you had to find one cancer
treatment's expensive. And that's what hogswere the cause. But what hogs of

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the cause does That's so interesting isit's not like you just have a barbecue.
You actually have a competition. Robertrosamund of who has the best barbecue
hogg? And you come up withsome creative stuff and you have one of
those teams right now, tell usabout the Swine Team if you would,
we do so. We are theSwine Crew. We have been around since
twenty eleven. We have won theGrand Champion award twice, which there are

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total ninety five teams out there.So to get which is what is essentially
best of the fest is a ridiculousaccomplishment, highly competitive. Some of the
foremost barbecue experts in the world cometo participate in Hogs for the cost folks,
that's not an exaggeration. Sure,And have you all invited Saint Peter
yet? Now I need to bringhim in because Saint Peter I got a

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telephone, had a big time troubleproblem with eating pigs. He didn't like
it. It was against the Jewishlaw, and yet he was convinced and
finally he became a great pig.Okay, this is not a Kosher event.
I'm sorry, I hate to knowthis, but it's not an Islamic
event, all right, Hu,But this is the whole thing. It
is a competition and each year sothe foremost people preparing preparing pork and barbecue

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forms come from all over the countryto compete for the best. And you
guys have proven the best of thebest several years running. Some of the
more creative stuff I've seen you doeverything across the gambit, from appetizers to
dessert with pork. It's amazing whatyou guys have done, Robbersman. And
but more importantly, you guys dothis out of the not just the charity
of your heart. You don't makeany money. Is you raise money for

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pediatric brain cancer by doing this,and people can sponsor your team, and
so can you talk about that fora second. Yeah, that's right.
So last year, the Swine Crewraised sixty thousand dollars to help these families.
We are on track to head abouteighty this year, and so we
take donations in from the community tohelp us with that. We spend all
of our own money putting this on. And so you know, in addition

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to the money we spend, wego and raise a bunch. We have
some great business sponsors this year.We have sponsorship packages available. You get
your logo on the sign, youget tickets into the event, you get
to enjoy our tent as well.So and you get and if I'm not
mistaken, you get just a littlebit of barbecue, like all you can
eat once you're inside there. Yeah, so there is so much barbecue out

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there is it's crazy. It's crazy. So where are you going to do
it? So it's the UNO Festivalgrounds as he mentioned, and it's not
just the swine crew. Once you'reinside Hogs of cause, and it is
open to the public if you justwant to come and pay to come in.
You get to go from place toplace and essentially taste the various pork.
But if you're a sponsor, youbasically they lay out the they lay

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out the pork carpet for you allacross the place and it and all the
money that you as none of itgoes to pay for the pork, None
of it goes to the teams.It all goes to support pediatric brain cancer.
So if somebody wants to support theSwine Crew and hogs for the cause,
how would they do it? Howwould they reach you, Robert Rosmin.
So they can go to our website. It's Swine Crew dot dot org,
k R E w E Swine Crewdot org and that on that website

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there are links. There's links toour donation pages, and there's links to
buy tickets to the festival. Allof our socials are on there, and
there's also a link that brings youto the Halls for the Calls website where
you can learn more about the greatwork that they do. Robert, are
are you someway connected with a meatpackingbusiness so that you know, a restaurant
or something like that. Not atall, Not at all. And that's
that's one of the really cool thingsabout the festival. That's important. Well,

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we don't have any professional trusts inour team. Yeah, we're all
home cooks. Well that's the partpart just like to buy. The thing
is you're you're a big barbecue guy. You like to barbecue, right,
I do. That's great, that'sgreat. So the best the best barbecuers.
And this is says something about NewOrleans, and I've known Robert for
many years. The best barbecuers arepeople who just live here in the city.
They are not professional chefs. Theyare not this because I've known a

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few teams that do. Actually,my former che our former chef at the
chick or House as a team,she's a professional chef and all these different
things. Robert's Swine Crew Ladies andGentlemen has beaten all the professionals one year
after year, raised both in moneyand in competition of the US. And
this is why you need to goto their website Swine Crew kriwe dot com
and support their efforts for hogs forthe Cause. On April fourth to fifth.

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Speaking of that, my twin sister, Mary Forest is a great cook.
She's a girl mate cook, justlike my mother was, just like
my wife, and boy they cancook. Maryor Forrest decides. She loved
barbecue and she was a great barbecuecooker way back when, and she still
is. And when she lived inTexas years ago, she decided to enter
their barbecue contest. Now, youcan't get more intense competition than Texas when

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it comes to Barbara. I don'tknow. I've been reading North Carolina barbecue.
All I know, they're all good, and they all claim they're the
best. I know that, butyou know, Texas is certainly one of
them at the top. You knowthat she won every year and she's just
she's not a professional. She justwell. But and this is one of
the things, Robert, that youknow, New Orleans is not associated in
the in the internet, in thenational lexicon with Barbecue's right. But what's

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fascinating about it is I did adocumentary called Smoking Mirror. Smoking Mirror Movie
dot com online. You can actuallysee clips for it on barbecue. It's
how Smoking Mirror how barbecue reflects America. And one of the points it makes
is barbecue is actually one of theplaces barbaricoa, the Caribbean style of cooking
over alive over six started was inCongo Square in New Orleans. We are

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one of the root birthplaces of barbecuein the United States. And that's one
of the reasons why I love hogsfor the cause, because you guys actually
bring it back to the traditions ofwhere it starts, and it started at
Congo Score. It's that's that's whatI attest to in my documentary, and
I'm always but interesting, Robert,A lot happened at Congos a lot,
and it's amazing. Some say it'sthe root of music and is and of

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course at Hogs for the cause,it's not just the cooking. Is a
festival atmosphere people are performing. Isa wonderful thing. Give give the basic
information one more time, if youwould, Robert, sure, Yes,
it's the April fifth and six,so we're two weeks away from this this
great event. Friday night is baconNight, so every every team will be
selling food out there that has incorporatedbacon in some fashion. Saturday is the

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main day of the festival. Threedifferent stages, tons of musical acts and
it's all for a great cause.Every dollar that you spend there goes to
help families directly goes to help familiespediatric break cancer. And you came out,
get off the website one more time, if you would write swine crew
dot org k R E W E. I mean I apologize it said dot
com. It's swine crew dot orgor so the campgrounds that you I know,

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I think is what you sayest groundfestival grounds. Where is that located?
It's a big campus. Is thatover by the arena or where it
is. It is directly behind theun O Lakefront Arena. Okay, right,
that's on Franklin Avenue. And what'sit is it still signing I mean
Leon Simon there, yes, Simon, but changing so many street names.
No, it's solely I Simon.Get you up. Swine Crew dot r

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G. Check it out. Ofcourse, go out spend, have some
wonderful food and support a wonderful causeat hogs With the Cause, you can
get your tickets and more importantly,your sponsorship opportunities. Folks, I'm sponsoring
this. I encourage you to doit as well. Swine Crew dot Org.
Roberts one, thank you for joiningus here in the Founder Show.
We really appreciate it, really great. Thank you, Rob, And I'm
very excited for you and what you'redoing. You're doing in a very noble

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work. I'm a Baptist preacher,so I appreciate what you're doing. He
appreciates because you know, the onlythe only, the only approved sin for
Baptist is gluttony, so they loveit. That is true. One of
my jokes. Christ all right,not note Robert, thank you very much,
Swine Crew dot org. And we'llbe back with our patriotic moment and
a special story about an actual youknow, uh uh Santa Fe miracle it's

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coming in the Rodo Chapel. Butalso some interesting stories about it's been Saint
Jose's Day and New Orleans. We'lltalk about the altars and all this right
after these important messages. Stay tunedmore of the Foundery Show right after this.
It may be Easter week, folks, but it's a perfect opportunity to
come get lunch, coffee or mealover at the Chickery House in the corner

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and we are now it's now timefor us to go into our chaplain by
by patriotic moment, And for thisvery time I have a very special guest,
my partner, Christopher Tidmore. Takeit away, Chris, and what
we want to talk about, andof course in the patriotic moment we always
talk about how he usually almost alwaystalks about patriotic Americans who are in many
cases very famous, about the biblicalfoundations of our Christian still in the words

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out of your mouth, you go. And what I want to talk about
actually is some a group of nunsyou may never have heard of. I
have heard, but briefly, well, no, I mean you've heard of.
But I'm talking of the audience.Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
And it's very appropriate because course Tuesdaywas the feast of Saint Joseph, and
for what we New Orleanians, weare. With so many of our population

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on Sicilian descended, we of coursemake the Saint Joseph alters all over all
over the city. I was privilegedto do what I do every year.
I went to seven different altars.This year, he and I went and
prayed at the altars. And alsoyou know they also feed you at a
lot of the alders. And Iwant to thank the Cintini family of Rock
and Ball, who had made somefantastic artichoke soup and spaghetti and meatballs.

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But but you also you make contributionsfor various causes and for various churches.
And I went around and and thehonoring of Saint Joseph, the Stepfather of
Christ, is incredibly important for Siciliansbecause, of course, for those that
know, it was a great famineand they prayed to Saint Joseph and all
they had was the beans. Thelumina means and and and so it became

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a symbol that they'd make these altars. But there it's amazing that Saint Joseph
has been the savior of men people, including a group of nuns called the
Loretto Sisters. Now, for thosethat don't know, the Loretto Sisters were
an order of Catholic nuns that werein Kentucky in the early nineteenth century at
a time when it wasn't very easyto be Catholic in America. And they

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were Americans. They were Kane Tuckthey were King Tucks, they were literally
Kane Tucks, and they were Theyreceived a call from Bishop Jean Baptiste Lammy,
who despite the French name, he'sactually from Paris had become the archbishop,
the bishop of one of the newestterritories of the United States, that
would be New Mexico. And atthe time, though I think it was

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included in the Arizona territory, itwas. It was. It's interesting and
the bottom half was Arizona and thetop half was New Mexico, which is
counterintuitive. And then they swapped it. They basically they actually swapped. They
basically split them into two parts towhere one became Arizona top to bottom and
one became Arizona. It became NewMexico. But for those that don't know,

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Santa Fe is the oldest city inNorth America in the United States of
America. It's older than Saint Petersburg. The term of counter clockwise basically,
yes, counterclockwise. But Saint Peter. Actually Santa Fe is the oldest city
in America. For those people thatare in Saint Petersburg, Florida, I
hate to tell you you had afort that was older. But by Spanish

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law, you had to have twentyfive Spanish families settled there to belong with
to be a city, and soSanta Fe goes to this. The government
house in Santa Fe, called theGovernor's Palace Beautiful, has been used continuously
since sixteen ten, which means thebuilding is as old almost as the Jamestown
Colony, because actually its foundations wereput down in sixteen oh seven. Wow.

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So for a lot of people thatsays, this town is as old
as anything that in the English coloniesof America, and so it already had
an existence almost a couple hundred years. At the time that these nuns were
called to establish a girls school,which is just like New Orleans. The
Ursuline nuns were called the Loretto Sisters. The Order of the Loretto Ye was
called to do this and for themto come there in the in the in

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the nineteenth century was eighteen seventy three. It was no easy thing. You
had to go all the way,so they're called they have to They come
down the river, they get toSaint Louis, and then they have to
go over land all the way fromSaint Louis to Santa Fe, New Mexico.
And they come there to educate theyoung people, particularly in English.
They teach English, but also teachabout the United States. And they said,

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the Bishop Lamby called, you know, his writes them, don't worry,
I'm going to have it set upfor you to teach at this girls
school. They get to Saint theyget there and he shows them an empty
field and he says, okay,here's where your girls school would be,
which is what do you mean?He says, well you have to build
it. Wow, it's six women. Oh my gosh. They start building
by hand a massive building out ofadobe, out of the mud brick in

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the traditions, and they build agirls school. Well, they're promised to
chapel and they and the originally theypromised to school, and the arch the
bishop, Bishop Lambie, goes toFrance and he gets all this money from
the Pope to come build Saint what'sgonna be Saint at St. Francis Cathedral
and it comes back, and hedoesn't. He forgets about the Mother Superior,
who said, what about my chapel? Christophin. You know this beginning

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to sound a lot like Mother Cabrini. It is, it's a very similar
story to Mother Creane. But here'sthe part where the miracle is. So
she said she's so fed up withhim, she's gone. She's had women,
she's done. They're they're they're educatingthe kids with nothing. They're big
and at the time, Santa feis going to have some of the highest
literacy rates amongst women in the latenineteenth century because of these wonderful nuns.
And they're teaching the faith and they'rethey're they're teaching the American experience because they

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are Americans, they are actually Anglos. Access all of this is going on,
and finally he says, we justwant to chapel. And he says,
well what kind of chapel And sheliterally says, I don't care build
whatever, as long as we geta chapel. Well, well, he's
from Paris originally, so what ishe going to build a one third scale
of Saint Chappelle? Oh wow,the famous Royal chapel. And he's even

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going to have a rose window shipfrom Europe through New Orleans up to Saint
Louis and all the way there.The problem is he forgets he's building a
chop He's gonna drop dead in themiddle of it. But they're gonna be
building the chapel. He forgets thechapel is being built for women. Now
why is that important? Because womencan't climb up a ladder in skirts to
go up to the choir loft,and choir lofts and small chapels didn't have

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staircases, and it's not a verybig place. The Loretto Chapel, if
you visit today, is utterly gorgeous. It doesn't have a lot of room
in the pature. It's incredible.I first discovered that chapel when I was
eleven years old, and and whatyou saw is a spiral staircase, and
that that chapel spiral service well,and this is the question. Magnificent work

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of the carpentry, just magnificent.And that's ready to see it. And
that's why we're talking about this,because I just came back from Santa Fan.
I wanted to share the story.Last week we mentioned our Lady of
Guadalupe, where scientists couldn't figure outthe colors. This is the experience the
origin of colors, the origin ofcolors, This is an experience of the
wood in the staircase and design ofthe wood is made of a type of

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wood, genetic structure that doesn't existon this planet. They don't know where
it came from. So let melet me tell you the story, miracle.
Let me tell you the story.And it comes down to this.
When I said built by angels,I wouldn't kidding you. Folks Loretta are
at least one particular saint, thefather in the step Father of Jesus.
Because what the sisters can't get upto this choir loft and that's where the

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girls are going to sing and allthis. So they keep so they desperately
need so they keep trying to askpeople to build them a staircase. And
every carpenter that comes in says,look, if I build you a staircase,
it's not gonna be a room tosit in this place. It's gonna
get Literally, the staircase will goall the way from the choir loft all
the way the altar. It's it'simpossible. And so they keep praying,

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they pray for seven days in Novenabecause it's near the feast of Saint Joseph.
They pray for Saint Joseph, who'sthe patron saint of carpenters. That's
right, remember, folks, hetalked Jesus a carpenter. They pray for
seven days. On the seventh day, an old man who nobody in town
had ever seen before, just stumblesin a town like a wayward stranger,

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traveling stranger. He finds one ofthe girls, says, I want to
talk to the mother. Superior goesto the mother. Superior says, I
will build you the staircase. It'sgot to be done the way. I'm
going to build it myself. I'lldo this. You pay me what you
think you owe me. At theend of it, I will do all
the work, but I need tobe left alone to do the work,
and I will just leave me todo it. And the mother Sapior is

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looking at this basically what looks likedrifter. You described it well, and
she's like, okay, shy playingdrifter, Yeah, sure, okay,
whatever, fine, you want tobuild a staircase, try go ahead,
give it your best shot. Andshe's not expecting much. Well, the
next day, remember this is atthis point, this is the late eighteen
seventies. She the next day,all this wood shows up in the yard

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of the chapel, completely milled.Now understand wood didn't hum milled in the
late eighteen seventies. Not out there, not out there. Yeahs the frontier
this is this is the middle ofthe nearest saw mill was out of the
mind. It was. There wasa saw mill in Santa Fe. But
you brought in trees. You justdidn't have a rough cut. These are

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these These were rough cut. Theseare perfectly smooth, and they're stacked up.
And nobody knows where they came.Nobody saw any any beast of burden,
any horses, any burrows. Don'tknow how they got there. Yeah,
they don't know how they got there. They just showed up the next
day. And so he's there.Then he puts a cauldron out and he
keeps going to the Santa Fe Riverand he keeps filling it with water,

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and he builds a fire under it. And so what he's doing is he's
he's heating up the wood to bendit like bend bending. And so he
proceeds, he works, he works, for for several weeks, mus have
been a boat building. Well,he starts working at he starts working for
seven weeks. Yes, I know, well let me finish this. But

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he works for several weeks and noone can go into the church while he's
working. He's he is, allhe's done. All they know is that
he only took out three of thepews. That's all. That's all the
girls know. That's all the nunsknow that, you know, the girls
that deserves. That's all they know. And so he's in there and he's
he's he's working, he's bending,he's assembling, and they don't know what

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happens after several weeks. Did heuse like peggan doll or did did he
wait? I'm getting it. Noone sees him using any nails? Yeah,
no one sees him using any pegs. No one knows what's how he's
doing. And no, and noone's really paying attention because they figure this
is all going to be a disasteranyway, right, old is all.
So finally they made they get said, they give him a space piece and

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quiet, no one's gonna interfere withwhat he's doing. So he comes in
and he does all of this,and on the last at the end of
the seven weeks the u one ofthe girls comes up to him and he
says, go inside, take alook. I'm just finished, and go
find the Mother Superior for me.The old man says, the world goes

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in and she starts screaming at thetop of her lungs. Wow, suspended.
It's seemed a ghost. Maybe theHoly He comes in and he says,
all right. He tells the girlthis not the Mother Superior. He
says, I've built this staircase.It's a three hundred and sixty degree spiral
staircase. It's an amazing thing.It is suspended from the choir loft.

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It is not attached to any wall. Because he had told the Mother Superior
as well, I forgot to mentionthis. I will not put any holes
in your sacred church. He saidit like that, and I will not.
And no one can put a holein ron bones. So he does
it. It's suspended. It's actuallynot from the ground up. No one
had ever seen a staircase quite this. It's suspended down, it hangs and
it goes to the bottom. There'sactually where he pushed the wood together into

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a circle in the bottom. There'sactually an imprint of his leg. They're
saying this may be the only imprintof a saint they've ever seen, the
very bottom. I have a photographof it at this this Loretto staircase in
Santa Fe, New Mexico, LauraChapa. They put it in and he
says, find the mother spirit.Well, they go look for the Mother
supper. She comes in. Shestarts screaming, it's the most beautiful thing.

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He's only taken out two pews andtaken one pew and adjusted it as
a half a pew. She lostthe space of three people in the whole
church to build an entire staircase.When they look at it, it's just
it's stunning. It doesn't originally didn'thave a railing. It just went up.
They eventually start have it letting thegirls. They would they would sing
from the staircase, sing. Thiswooden staircase suspended with all the girls on,

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which has had as much as fivethousand pounds of young female flesh on
it. Basically, for lack ofa better term, with they were somewhat
chubby. Maybe well, let's justsay standards. Standards of food are a
little different, but the point,the point being that there's not one nail

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in it, not one peg.It's the way the wood fits together,
suspending. They actually when they finallydecided to try to put a banister on
it, they put it against thewall, the things started cracking because it's
actually designed well. This has beenone of those great miracles, because what
happened. As soon as the MotherSuperior screamed went out looks for the man

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to thank him. Yeah, noone could find him. Not only has
mysteriously disappeared like he had mysteriously arrived, not only that the people around town
had seen him for seven weeks,seen him all throughout the time. However,
every time somebody asked to describe him, nobody could really picture his face.
Even though they worked to him,they talked to him, the whole

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works. Only the nuns could rememberwhat he looked like, and even then
they weren't even sure of what itis. So they had the staircase,
and it becomes the miracle. Peoplestart coming from all over the world to
see this scientific impossibility of the staircasehanging from there from the choir loft that
the rhetro chap in Santa Fe.This unbelievable thing, and they start to

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say it's a miracle. Well,the Catholic Church doesn't want to acknowledge it
because they want to sell the building. In nineteen sixty they called it the
Nuns together. They've been there almostone hundred years, and they say,
in the beginning of the nineteen seventies, we're selling your school, we're selling
your church. It's to whoever isthe highest bid or goodbye, you're done.
And they tried to get the archdioceseto buy it. They had a

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full school. They said no.So this family comes in to build a
hotel and the archbishop en said itis in nineteen seventy two. Oh my
god. They leans in and says, we've never proven that the miracle.
We've never said it's a miracle.So you can do whatever you want with
the church. And that's the archbishopgoodbye. So the family, however,
the family who builds the hotel,they turn the old girls school and they

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build on top and turn it intoa very prominent hotel. It's called the
Loretto Hotel. Today. They areso taken by the staircase. They preserve
the church and make it a holyplace. A visit you can go visit
the reat check. But here's thepart where everybody comes in. Now it's
easy to be a skeptic. It'sa staircase miracles. What is Santa Fe

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right near? This is important Mexicothe Pecos River, No, No,
it is forty five minutes from LosAlamos. And the reason why this important
goes there Jay Robert Oppenheimer used actuallyinterviewed all of his candidates for Los Alamos
on the on one of the streetsin the main square of Santa Fe and
would bring him out of the backand bring him there. So he knew
this church very well. He grewup going to it. He loves uh,

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but he considered he considered Santa Fe'shometown and so he So all of
this is going on, and theybring in the owner that the family that
buys the church brings in a coupleof the scientists from Los Alamos, and
they give him one piece of thestaircase at the very bottom, one one
one element of it. He takesit. They analyze it. This is

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the part where it comes, itgets it starts giving away. The DNA
structure is unlike anything on the earth. They can't another tree or a piece
of wood anywhere that matches. Infact, particularly technically, it's not even
wood as we know it's. It'snot it's not only it's not even it's
not even a structure of wood.It's not artificial. It's natural. It's

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organic. It looks, it lookslike it looks incredibly. It is not
found on it. It is.The The structure of how it stands up
is only begin to be understood byquantum physics today because Newtonian physics doesn't say
it's possible. And here's the thing. If you look at it and look
at it and they've cross apply it, it's the exact DNA helix. It's

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the same number of steps that yousee in a DNA helix. It is
what he created was a DNA helixconnects. It is an unbelievable site to
just behold if you know what you'relooking at. But it's also one of
those situations on this week of theFeast of Saint Joseph, that it becomes
as a Christian very hard. Andthese nuns had gone in the wilderness and

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with a stated intention that they notonly were going to spread their Christian and
Catholic faith, they were going tomake the people of Santa Fe Americans.
But the next teaching, the nextgeneration English bring it in. They're great
American patriots, so much so they'regreat people of faith that this is an
element of a miracle, that asaint may have actually came and physically built
something. And here's the important part. If you ask, well, how

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do you know that the scientists dideverything down to spectrometers, everything, electron
microscopes, It doesn't make any connectionto things that are found on this earth.
This is a staircase that has lastedover one hundred and twenty five years,
with five thousand pounds without a nail, without a peg, suspended,
made of a substance not found onthis planet. And folks remember this,

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Scientists, engineers, architects, they'veall studied this and it's still a mystery
to all of them. They stillcannot figure out how this man did it.
It's absolutely amazing. So that's kindof remember this. One hundred and
fifty years ago, they didn't havethat. They didn't even know where jeans
were, much less exactly. Imean, it's a geny his I highly
recommend that you go to Loretto,to the Santa Fe to Santa Fe Chapel,

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and this is America. You canlook at, you can look at
you can look at right now.You go see it, and it's it's
it's done. It's faith in andfaith and faith in America. It's it's
kind of it's a it's a realexample God, and it's faith. It's
anything God. And and in thisweek of Saint Joseph Faith, Saint Joseph
may not just saved the people ofSicily from famine, he created something that

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may lead other people to Christ.Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
really that's a wonderful story, especiallyfor Saint Joseph. Say, we
need to all remember that, folks. And you know what, we got
another great day, Saint Patty's Day, which of course was last Sunday,
but we want to remember him andjust remember he is also one of those
spectacular performers, just like Mother Cabrini. If you haven't seen the movie,

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you gotta go see it. Cabrini. It's it's astounding. I mean,
if you have just even a littlebit of a heart, you're gonna break
down in the middle of the movie, start crying because it's such a powerful
movie. It's a power full,powerful movie, and it gives us an
example of what a person of faith, what they can really do if they're
really trusted in God. It's justso amazing. But Saint Patrick just was

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the same kind of person, cutout of the same kind of cloth,
and he started a movement that literallysaved European civilization. He literally went throughout
Europe, starting the British Isles,and he evangelized all these pagan peoples.
They were bad too, folks.I mean, they were headhunters, they
were cannibals, they were vicious,they were vile as the most violent people

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in the world are Northern European ancestors, the Celts and the Goths. He
evangelized the Vikings, evangelized them andhis followers, he had a huge following.
This took place over a four hundreyear period. He evangelized him,
he educated them, and he civilizedthem. And to this day they're over
one hundred universities spread out across Europe, and they all claimed their origins to

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Patrick's band of holy Men. Theycalled them Irish philosophers, they called them
Irish evangel that called him Irish holymen. And it was in one of
them for an American connection actually wentwest. He sailed up into the easton
sea to see where his name SaintBrendan. You can find his picture in

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the stained glasses of Annapolis, ourmilitary Naval Academy. And he was.
He recorded that of what he haddone, how I crossed the ocean looking
for new peoples to bring the gospelto any dad. He brought the Gospel
to the Native Americans. Then hecame back a few years later and in
his journals he says he found it. Now, this is the very point.

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He says, he found a landthat God had blessed, and that
one day that land would be thelight on a hill that would bless the
entire world. Christopher, that prophecycame true. That's an amazing story.
I mean, the Irish will tellyou that the Irish discovered America as well
as saved civilization, not exactly like. And there's one thing. The Irish
will also know that the reason Godcreated alcohol was to keep the Irish from

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conquering the world. Conquering the world, what's that all about. Well,
that's never really going to happen tilJesus comes back, and folks, he's
going to conquer the world. Youknow he's going to do it. He's
doing it with love and then amazing, and then we're going to have the
most wonderful world you could ever imagine, no crime, no no terrible things.
It's gonna be like being in heaven, no wars, It's all going

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to be a place of great beautyand great wonder great health, no disease,
is no crime, not just allthe good stuff is going to be
on this planet. When Jesus finallyconquers the world with love and establishes his
kingdom of peace and love, peaceon earth, and goodwill to all men.
That day is coming. But youknow there's another day coming, and
it's called the Judgment Day. Andfolks were all going to have to face

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that that judgment day is coming soon. And I'll tell you who knew all
about that, old Saint Joseph,Jesus's stepfather. And you know Joseph was
named after one of the greatest menin the Bible, Joseph of Egypt,
who he and Daniel are the onlytwo men who have no recorded in against
their lives. All the other greatmen in the Bible, as great as
they were, they still had theirshare of sin. Sinning, but not

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old Saint Joseph of Egypt and Danielof Babylon. They were remarkable men.
And you know something unique about them. They were both slaves and they both
rose to the very top of theirempires, ruling their empires. Amazing story.
And Jesus father was named and Ithink that's why, because Joseph was
so special to God, Joseph ofEgypt, so he made Jesus his stepfather,

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a man named Joseph, and nowwe celebrate Saint Joseph's state. Wonderful
story. But folks, you wantto ever get to know these folks,
you can They're going to be inheaven. I want to get to meet
them. I can't wait to seehim. Of course, most important is
going to be Jesus. He's goingto be the number one we're all going
to want to see because he's sucha great friend. But you need to
know how to get there. See, it doesn't just happen by us Mosis

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or by you know, the rollof the dice or something. No,
it happens with two things happening.The first thing that had to happen is
Jesus had to take care of ourproblems, and he did that on the
cross when he died for all ofour sins, was buried and rose from
the dead to win for each andevery one of us had precious free gift
of resurrection, everlasting life. Whenhe died on the cross, the Bible
says, his blood washed away allof our sins, and the day we're

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born, of the day we die, our tiniest to our greatest sins,
we're all removed and paid for byJesus when he finished, when he finished,
at the very end, he saidit's paid and full. That was
the last thing. He said,it's paid in full, meaning our sins
are paid in full. Well,then he rose to the dead. That
took care of our death problem.So we never see the second death.
The second death means going to hellforever, and that's the place you don't

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want to go. God doesn't wantyou there. God didn't make hell for
you. The Bible says God madehealth for sin, for devils, for
death. And then he had addedsomething later on from the tragic verse that
says hell is being enlarged. Hehad it has to be enlarged because there
are going to be men and womenwho die rejecting God's love. And the
only place for him then is hell. Because you see, love is the

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is the ticket that gets you intoheaven. Jesus loves you first, and
now we have to love him back. And the way we love him back
is by trusting him, by believingwe cannot save ourselves. That's repentance.
You change your mind, you knowingthat there's no way you'll ever be good
enough, smart enough, rich enough, or whatever you think you are,
cool enough, charming enough to everget into heaven. So forget that,

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forget religion, forget trying to earnyour way to heaven or whatever. Forget
it. Give it up when youdo. That's called repentance. And now
you're free to put faith alone,in Christ alone. You're free to believe,
with the faith of a little child, with all your heart, that
Jesus did, God's Son, diddie for all your sins, was buried
and rose in the dead. Ifyou've never done that before, please,
folks, do it now. Don'twait till it's too late. And like

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the Word of God says, nowtoday is a day of salvation. Well,
folks. Normally after this we gointo our testimony time or our witness
on the wall about the end timescoming. We're going to pass on all
that because we actually did that inthe very beginning of this section. So
you've heard all that already, andso it is not time for us to
close. As we close with amont Saint Martin singing a creole goodbye and

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God bless all out there? Doesthis have to be the end of the
nerd? You know I love youIn the pamon land, I can see
across the million stars. When Ilook at we can pose it's the sun

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time. I suppose you couldn't calllittle cray if we take just a little
little longer to see our good night, to call it creel good