There is a lot of end time prophecy being spoken, How do you know when someone is speaking truely prophetically. As we all go through seasons, it is hard, but how do we surrender to God and let him guide us. Even if we don't feel close to us, what kind of signs let us know he definatley is? Accept when God challenges your faith.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Waiting the day light. Sounds I'm gotta get to the Starbucks,
get some magic bees, be on my way. Magical Sassmason,
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
That today. Well, hi, and welcome to these days where
Jeff and Steph. I am Jeff, and we'll be joining
with Steph here in a second one. Thank you all
for joining us today. We're coming to you from a
Catholic perspective. We'll be talking about Bible history and some
prophecy and mysticism and all that good stuff. Steph, how
are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm hanging in there trying to wade through a lot
of discernment and big life changes today. How are you doing? Jeff?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
A lot better than you have time? Sounds like I don't.
I'm just kind of like floating on a lazy river
right now in the middle of summer.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I feel like I'm in the middle of a hurricane. So, yeah,
you are doing You're doing want better than me?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah? I ah? How's the weather out there?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
At least it's hot. It's the same. It's the same
as usual, just hot. And I think we're supposed to
get a break from all that at the end of
the end of the week. Here how about you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Guys, same thing. It's hot and it's in this weekend,
it's going to cool off. So I don't know. I
love summer, so it's only going to be in the
seventies we get a break and went ooh, that means
summer's all silver.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
They's bumming you out. I've been meaning to ask you
when's your birthday? Is your birthday in summer?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
June and fifth?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay? I figured it might be because people who like summer,
I've noticed, usually have a birthday in the summer.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah. I don't know if I told you this, but
growing up I noticed that you guys call him cicadas,
that I recall him Katie DIDs, and they always hit
right about this time. And so as a little kid,
you runn aroun the neighborhood and then you hear the
Katie did and you'd be like, ah, summer was coming
doing that, and went so I started chirping.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Right, Yeah, they're chirping loud here. They annoyed the crap
out of me.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really, I'm talking about the end of summer here. But
there's a lot of prophecy going out there that we
might be in the end times and all that kind
of stuff. All kinds of profits are you can hear
them everywhere and radio, newspaper a lot, online and all
that kind of stuff. So how do you know when
somebody's being prophetic or not?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, first of all, I would like to say, there
are three kind of testing points that I've heard some
really good profits that I admire or who I respect,
I guess I would say and think that they do
have true prophetic gifts. They say, first of all, it
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should never be because somebody actually may have a prophetic
gift and have a true calling to deliver a prophetic message,
that doesn't necessarily mean that message is for you. So
you do have to discern it. And you know, the
Bible says test the spirit and test the message, and
so you have to always go back to God in prayer,
so and say is this message for me? Is this
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word for me? You know, you just need to always
if you feel like it might be for you, always
go back to God in prayer and with scripture. But
but the three main things are, Number one, it's not
going to be new information. It's going to be something
that you feel like God has already been telling you
for a while. God God usually will use the prophet
to confirm his message. So you know, you feel like
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God's telling you a specific thing over and over and
then you see a prophetic message that says the same thing. Well,
there's your confirmation. Number two, it's always going to align
with scripture. It's never going to say anything that goes
against the scriptures. And number three, it should be comforting
and uplifting. It shouldn't be doom and gloom. I mean,
there are messages about how we are in the end times,
and we all know the end times are biblical. It's
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going to happen, but there should be some kind of
you know, that's not a fun thing to think about,
but there should be some kind of thread of hope.
I guess in the message, Like even if our hope
is that we're in Jesus Christ, right, so even we
all know we're going to die. Father heels it all
the time. He's like, well, if you don't know you're
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gonna die, I can't help you, right, He's like, he like,
don't even come to me and talk about stuck in
up toilet paper. He goes, you're just going to be
the first house that gets raided when everybody else runs
out of toilet paper. What good is that going to do?
You know, like He's like, we're gonna die, but our
hope is in Jesus and in eternity, and so yeah,
but I think it's interesting. So I was I was
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going to read this scripture just for all of our
all of our friends who may be a little skeptical
about prophecy and Acts two seventeen. It does say it
shall come to pass in the last days, and I
think we all recognize we were in the last days.
Saith God, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh.
Your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your young men
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will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.
And I think that, you know, men should be translated
as men and women. You're young men or women will
see visions, you're old men and women will dream dreams.
And you know, I've definitely seen visions, had dreams, and
you know, so I saw profit I really respect. The
other day, she had a really interesting point. Sometimes God
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will show you his heart. It doesn't mean that something's
necessarily going to come true. You can be praying about
something and asking about something and he can say, yeah,
this is my heart. For this to happen. Marriage reconciliation,
for one, A lot of people are talking about marriage reconciliation,
and this is a season where God is reconciling marriages
and families. That is his heart. Reconciliation is his heart,
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That's what he wants. But doesn't necessarily mean it's going
to happen, no, because I mean, you look at how
the Egyptian I mean how the Israelites wandered through Egypt.
It was supposed to be a short journey, right, and
they were wandering around for forty years. Why because of
their disobedience, they lack of faith and their rebelliousness. I
mean even Moses who did all these great things at
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the end, well, he was supposed to speak to the rock.
God said, what speak to the rock? And instead he
was disobedient and he struck it with his staff. So
he was disobedient and he liked faith, and he wasn't
allowed to of the promised lamb, which can seem really
harsh and unfair, but you know, God is pretty serious
about obedience and faith. And you know, if you have
a rebellious spirit or a disobedient spirit, you very well
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could live out your life and not see the fulfillment
of what God's heart is, of what his ultimate desire
for your life was. And that's a scary thing to me.
That's a that's a sad thing.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, he needs your obedience. He easy to follow it
in order to get the best out of you. I
mean he he can have a plan for you, and
you can be going along and then he's gonna go okay,
and Jesus talked about Okay, you're gonna have some rough
bites and so just keep you know, believing in me.
Then you hit the rough spots and then all of
a sudden, now you're not obedient, and so now it
changes on how you would have come out of the
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rough spots, and so now it's not where it was
originally supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So it changes the whole trajectory of your life really exactly. Yeah,
I can even relate it to It's like you can
feel it, like when I knew I was supposed to
move to Nashville, you know, like right when I I
knew I was supposed to move to Nashville when I
came up here with my mom when I was seventeen
and I just had to get through high school and
graduate and I went to college for a year there.
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But then I knew I was supposed to move here
at twenty one, and I had come up here and
we had been in this songwriting competition and I had
met this girl. God God was lying. I could feel
his favor. You're gonna lose God's favor when you're dis obedient,
that's the thing. So I could feel his favor. He
lined me up with this girl that was my age,
that had come up to us because she thought my
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mom's song was really great. And my mom was like, oh,
you should meet my daughter. She's your age, and like
we I think I had told you about her. She
was married to the drummer of Ricochet. They had just
signed a record deal and we were like. She was like, yea,
you should live with us. We have a two bedroom
town home and we kind of had it all worked
out and I could feel God's favor on it, and
he was like, yes, move now. I gave you the roommate,
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I gave you the friend, I gave you the end
to the music business. I've done it all for you.
He opened all the doors. I go back to Texas
and I meet a guy right I get in this
relationship that I shouldn't have been in, and then a
year and a half later when that doesn't work out,
and I mean it was it was like hard on me.
The minute it didn't work out. I was like, I've
got to move to Nashville. I'm late. That's what I
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felt like, you know. I was like, I'm late. I'm
late for a very important day. So I packed up
my stuff with five hundred bucks in a tiny U
haul and I came. I did. I came. I came
straight to Nashville knowing I kind of knew, and now hindsight,
now I know I was disobedient. But even then I
kind of had this feeling that I had missed my
window and that I was late and that you know,
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I didn't really know the feeling, but now I can
put words to it that I've lost God's favor because
nothing really felt right now didn't mean I still wasn't
supposed to be here. No, and God still had mercy,
He still worked things out. I did still end up
living with that girl, But how many opportunities did I miss?
Like she ended up being friends with Brad Paisley and
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going to some of his like before I got here,
So like I missed opportunities and I missed connections. And
by the time I got here and we moved in together,
she was already going about to go through her divorce.
It was It's just like it felt like the timing
was off the whole time, and it was all because
of my disobedience. So that that's one great example of
we need to be in tune with God, and we
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need to be staying in scripture and in prayer to
know what God is, where he's He'll tell it, he'll
tell you, He'll make it clear. I knew I was
supposed to come to Nashville, and I chose my flesh,
and so that's a big lesson for some people out there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And like anybody else too. And that's like we said,
what makes God mad? Well, yeah, he had that all
lined up for you, and then I was saying, come on, man,
I get all this for you down here, and right now,
I think he'd be asked to realize, Okay, you missed
your window, but that doesn't mean Guy's not going to
open another one for.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
You, right exactly. That's very true. But yeah, but we
make it harder on ourselves, and you could miss your
window completely because I don't know, I just you do see,
you do see. I mean I know older people who
are like, I know, I should have stayed with my
wife or I know this, you know, I should have
taken this path. They look back when they're old and
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they're like, you know, I screw my whole life up,
and what could it have been? And you have to
live and some people die with that question what could
it have been?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, that's true. But then I think also once they
tried something else and it didn't work, they kept looking
back at that and blaming that window instead of looking
for more opportunities. Right, you know, it's kind of like, Okay, yeah,
I've screwed up. I should have never divorced that woman.
She was the best woman I ever had. And then
was he looking to replace her then? Or was he
you know, was he looking to say, Okay, well, God
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is going to give me another woman along the way,
and you know she's not going to be like that
first one, but you know, still be happy, right I do.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I feel I feel like God has an ultimate plan
for all of our lives, which is His greatest glory
and blessings and all that. Now, if we miss that
he'll still he will still be merciful. I do think
we calls curses and generational stuff though onto our life
when we miss especially if you're disobedient, when he's telling
you to do something. Now that's different, you know than
right then just you know, there's his mercy and his plan.
(10:59):
B if you're you know, but if you're if you're
really being disobedient and he had a real plan for
your life, then I don't know. I just saw it
with my own mom and dad when they died. I
actually did feel a pretty strong sense of that they
had not fulfilled God's plans for their life. And that
was really sad to me, even though there was a
lot of grace and there was good times, but they
also had a lot of tribulation, a lot of hard times.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well you also you've egested I can't even talk care no,
but you were telling me the story and I actually
watched it by a rugby player who his life totally
changed on a.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Dime, right, And then this is where God has a
plan for your life and you have to make the
best out of something tragic. And actually I just had
an email from Father Rosetti, who's an exorcist in this country.
Great little thing he had written about grace. Grace's come
through suffering, and there's no cheap grace. He was saying,
like people sometimes look at people who have so much,
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like so many prospiraual gifts and prophecy and all this stuff,
that they don't realize how much these people have suffered.
In every saint. You look at the saints, they all
suffered a lot to get the graces they had. So
I kind of look at the prophets that I do
consider legitimate. I guess you would say they've suffered a lot,
and they've suffered well, and they've chosen to pick up
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their cross and to be with God. So this guy,
I think he pronounced his name, he's pretty popular. He's
got a YouTube channel like millions of years, and he's
from South Africa, and he travels to America a lot.
God calls him to come to the States a lot.
And I think he's actually going to be here the
whole month of August and September teaching a prophetic workshop.
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And he does. He leans him in ours and all this.
So anyway, he was he's in South Africa. Cute young
guy was really good at rugby. Was about to sign
to a professor because rugby is big in South Africa,
not football, and was about to get signed to a
professional rugby team, and he had do you know the story?
(12:59):
Do you know his like accident story? Did you watch
his conversion thing?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I kind of flipped through. I missed his actual conversion part.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, Well, so he has this car accident and he's
out in the middle of nowhere and he's not even conscious,
and so this guy finds him and when he wakes up,
it's just him in this very tall, skinny, dark he said,
dark skinned man. And the man says, my name is Gabriel,
and he said, and he said, I've called the paramedics.
I've told them where you are. I mean, the guy
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called the paramedics and gave them the exact coordinates of
where they were, because they weren't there was no street
signs or anything, was in the middle of nowhere. And
he said, I've called your father and I've let him
know what's happened and in what hospital will be taken
He already knew that, the guy, Gabriel knew what hospital
they'd be taking them to, and he told all one.
He goes and I've saved my number in your phone,
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and I gave my father. I gave your father my
phone number as well. And you're gonna be okay. And
that's what he told him. He's like, you're going to
be okay and when and you know, allwe says. He
kind of passed out again after that, and when the
paramedics got there, they were amazed at the position they
found him in because they said, you know, being thrown
from the car like that, and his spine was messed up.
They said, this guy had moved him to a position
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that there's no way he could have got into by
being thrown from the car if somebody had to put
him in that position, and it was the exact perfect
position for him to be in to not have further
spinal damage. And anyway, they take him to the hospital.
He undergoes like two days worth of spinal surgery. It
was like a week or two later. He was in
the hospital and started thinking about that man Gabriel. He's like,
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you know, he'd been through so much, he hadn't even
really thought about him, but he thought, I need to
call him and say thank you. And so he gets
his phone, he looks it up and the number's gone.
He's like he hadn't seen it in there, and he
calls his dad. He's like, hey, you know that Gabriel
guy that found me. I want to call him and
say thank you. And his dad was like he looked
through his phone and is like the number's gone, and
both of them had seen the number in there, and
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isn't that crazy? And so yeah, fast forward, this guy's
got a huge ministry. Now. He went through about a
year or two years of being really depressed and having
suicidal thoughts and not wanting to live if he was
going to have to be in a wheelchair. And you know,
he said he heard God's very clearly tell him you
will walk again and run again someday in this life.
I promise you that. He said, he promised him the healing.
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And then he talks a lot about waiting for God's
promises to come true, that if you have heard from God,
and you know you've heard from God, you have to
hang on to that promise because God's ways are higher
than our ways. His timing is not our timing. And
he's been waiting for ten years, so he gets it.
But he's like, you know, I would never change that
he did a video the other day, was real emotional.
He said, I would never change the person I am
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right now. If God had healed me sooner, I would
never be the person I am right now. So just
like that spiritual growth.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right, And a lot of people think that for it
to be a miracle, you know, God had promised me
you will run and you will walk again. And I
think a lot of people just construe that that all
of a sudden they're going to have a big white
lights shine over and boom, and they're going to hop
out of bed and all that. And I realized that
there could be somebody in a university right now figure
out how to fix that. So his and that's how
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he could walk too.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's a great point. Yeah, it could be from Yeah,
God loves to work with us. It's not always just
like him waving the magic wand and then more healed, right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So God said, you know he knew that. Okay, they're
working on this. They're going to figure it out. Just
give them time. You know, it might take fifteen twenty years,
but they'll figure out how to get you walking again.
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's true. And I mean just a cool Well said,
note he had not had any feeling in his you know,
from like waist down for years, and that did start
coming back over the past summer. He started being able
to He started feeling pain and uncomfortable by sitting in
the chair all day and having some pain in his
foot and he was like, that's just crazy. It was
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crazy to him. So he's not walking again yet, but
there are maybe signs something's happening. I don't know, but
he was pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And we'll think about this when all of just to
break people in general, it's the one thing you want
to avoid in life, and that's pain. But this guy,
he's been paralyzed, so pain for him is just awesome. Hey,
I can feel it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What a good point. Yeah, I never thought about it
that way. You're exactly right, man. Yeah, And maybe the
very thing that we are trying to avoid is the
one thing that's going to save us. Yeah. God loves
to flip the script like that. I've noticed, like I'm
such a type a plan everything out person. God's got
me in the season where I don't know exactly where
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I'm going to live. I have a part time job,
but it's definitely not enough long term to support me.
But he told me to take it. Literally, he told
me to take it. There's just all these balls up
in the air and these missing pieces to my puzzle,
and I'm in this role uncertain place, and it's very uncomfortable.
So all I can do is like take it one
day at a time. If anybody wants to pray for me,
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I appreciate prayers, but I need them. It's just like
trust in God. I think he's just trying to teach
me to trust him for the day. And maybe it's
because of the times we're in where we're all about
to see, like all the prophets are saying, so many
of them are saying, and I'm getting the same message
that these last couple of weeks of August or preparation
and that we are about to see a major shaking
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and judgment in the world. So he may be trying
to grow us to where we can live in the
uncomfortable spots. Right now.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've been getting a lot of messages and stuff. It
seems like there's a lot of prophets are talking about
this whole thing between the UK and Ukrainian and Russia
and all that kind of stuff. Have you been following
any of the profits on that I have?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I have what one prophet said that it felt very
true to me. He said he saw a vision of
a white flag, but it was like a it was
a fake so like it was going to look like
peace on the outside. And you know that he saw
Trump as Trump is like acting as a broker, which
I think we can all agree. Trump is like Trump's
really telling the people like, y'all aren't making any money,
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nobody's winning, and you know Trump hates losers. He's like,
you know, people are dying, nobody's winning, nobody's making any money.
You could do it this way, you do it my way.
You're going to make money. People don't have to die,
and everybody wins. You know, that's kind of his spiell
so to speak. And it's actually what this guy said
is it's going to be a catalyst. It's going to
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be a catalyst for God's judgment to begin when that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So he didn't just because one of the sides is
going to actually take advantage of it or something.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, it's just almost going to be like a trigger
in the spiritual world for God's wrath and judgment to begin.
Like what he's been saying to all the prophets and
to me too, is that this is really a season
where he's taking down the prideful we're coming to times
of revival. That what happens to be to spark revival,
it's usually hardship and war and trials, and you know,
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it's like the pride being humbled to where you can
turn back to God. You've got to be humbled forgot,
you know, to take for a revival to happen, there's
usually a humbling that happens first, I guess, is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, yeah, pride is I mean, throughout the Bible Old Testament,
pride is one of the worst things that God just hates.
I mean, that's just right. You can't deal with it.
It ruins everything and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
A rebellious spirit. And I would say that the majority
of people on the earth right now are walking around
in pride and disobedience and what the rebellious spirit wanted
to do things their way and not really asking God
what is your way? Or like most people are not
fully submitted to God. I mean for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, and one thing too, when we talk about pride now,
there's a difference because some people, well, you can be
proud of yourself. You know that you should be. That
should be your self esteem. You should be a proud
of who you are and all that. But you need
to be prideful that you're not doing this by yourself,
that God is behind the scenes helping you out do this.
So when you see a professional athlete, he just makes
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a great catch or something and thank you God, Well
he's acknowledging it. Well, now you get some other guy
who sit at their beats his chest. No, that was me.
I made that catch, and he can just almost feel
the difference in the two the two men as they are.
You can tell you who is humbled and who is not,
and who is going to go farther and who's.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Not exactly, And you see it time and time again.
I mean with the especially with the athletes who are
really good and really talented, who are not humble, something
always happens where they have some kind of downfall.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right, So yeah, it's a pride, it's it's got Well,
let's just go back to what we were talking about,
what you've been following the profits we're talking about the
Ukraine and Russia. Now, not just that one, but pretty
much any conflict in there. It gets to a point
where you want peace. Pride steps in, you know, they said,
you know, one tide didn't want to acknowledge this is
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no on the other side, we're not giving up this,
you know, And so they both dig their heels in
because of their pride. And if they just swallowed it,
both swallowed, then you can actually come to the middle, right.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And it's so hard to get to that heart place
where Christ wants us to be, where we're actually not
concerned about ourselves, but we're willing, willing the good of
the other. Like that's really what you know. Jesus said,
if somebody, you know, watch what do you say, watch
your well, he said, you know, give him the coat,
give him, you know, give give him your jacket to
you know, give him everything, and don't ask for it back.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like can I take a side step because that that
brought me into a joke, you know, Jesus says that
he said, you know, if he asked, if you he
asked for your coat, give it to him. If he
asked you to walk a mile, walk two miles, and
all that kind of stuff. There's this one said, but
you know, the whole thing is walk a mile in
somebody else's shoes, goes. If you walk a mile in
my shoes, all you have done is walk a mile.
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You spend ten minutes in my head. That'll really freak
you out. So anyway, now we'll go back to I
just couldn't let that joke go. I though I think
it's really good. I think it's clean.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Funny. Yeah that is funny, but yeah, it's that's the
hard that's the hard part is to and I guess
it's all just like human selfishness too. It's like we
were always thinking about ourselves. It's hard to like put
you know, as people, we need to put the other
person first, and as countries we don't do that like
we I mean, of course, you have to take care
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of your yourself, and you can't be there's a difference
between being compassionate and being a doormat right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And like when a lot of people that they kind
of misinterbed when they said pray for your enemies, you know,
and treat your enemies right and all that kind of stuff,
well they take what basically Jesus is. I don't want
to put words in Jesus now, not get me in trouble.
But when he's basically saying, you know, basically, if they
need help, help them, you know, go ahead and give
them some food, give them some water, you know, if
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they don't do what they need to survive, and all
this kind of stuff. You know, me saying to pray
for him, Well, sure you pray them. Okay, God, this
person's trying to kill me, but they didn't. Now I
give him some food and water, you know, let them
good life now. And they say, well, I'm not praying
for them. They hurt me so bad. Well, when you're
praying for them, you're not asking God to buy them
a new car. You know, you're trying to say, hey, God,
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do what you have to do with them, man, and
then let me. You know, it's totally different, right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Because I feel I think the reason he said. I
think there's also like the last part of that verse.
It says, in doing when you pray for your enemies,
in doing so, you're heaping coals on their head. Right,
So it's like, when you pray for somebody, it keeps
your heart from getting bitters. It's actually almost like it's
medicine for you. It keeps you from getting bitter. It
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helps you let go of the negativity or whatever pain
or harm they've caused you. And then it's like you're
giving it to God so that you know, he said,
vengeance is mine and he suggests God. So if somebody
is walking in an unjust path, he is, he's going
to take care of him. I mean, they're going to
have to account for that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So yeah, it's just that's that whole pride thing. I mean,
it's just like, okay, you oh I love God, I
love God. Oh, then you don't trust God's going to
do straighten out. It's going to keep you good. But
then he's going to take care of the person who
did you wrong. Also, he can do.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That right right, and and there's a righteous judgment. I mean,
he said, if he loves you, he is to discipline
you like a good father. He wants you to come
to repentance. He wants you to come to a place
where you're not prideful. So sometimes you know, you do
get disciplined and go through hard things just so he
can take down your pride, so he can change your
heart and make you just make you a kinder, more
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compassionate person. I definitely have been through that in my
own life, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, and maybe this, like you said this, you can't
Ukraine Russia thing might be a catalyst that one prophet
speaking about, and it can because lots of times certain
things they need to be done in public so everybody
else can witness this, so not everybody else has to
go through the same thing too.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's true, that's true. I mean, I do think we
are in a time of duality where I don't know
what's coming and we only prophesy on part. But I
think it's it's just like what we've been saying the
best of times, in the worst of times. I think
we're going to see God's wonders, signs and miracles. Just
draw close to God because I feel like we're just
going on. We're about to be like on the I mean,
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it's going to be a rough ride, but there's going
to be miracles, there's going to be provisioned who knows
what's going to happen. There's also going to be judgment,
and there's there's going to be, you know, a shaking
of the world systems that are not good because He's
he's changing that and he's making the path straight for
his return. Like, basically that's what's happening. I mean, he's
he's getting ready to return. Whether it's fifty years, one
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hundred years, I don't think it's that far in the future.
I really don't have had to bet my life on it,
or even like more importantly, if I had to bet
my dog or my cat's life on it, I would say,
I don't think it's that far off. But he's got
to humble everybody first and get every He was the
Bible saying he's coming back for a spotless bride. So
he doesn't want to come back for a bride that's
all dirty and nasty. He's like, he's trying to clean
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us up, right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you can got a lot of different paths. Paths
that I'll say this in the spirit of healing as
much as my personal life as it is a tornado
right now, and I don't like it and I'm not
comfortable in it. On a deeper level, I have felt
a shift, and all the prophets are talking about how
there's been a shift. I can say that that's true
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because I do feel a sense of deeper peace and
joy and boldness and courage and strength that has come
back into me. So there is like a deeper healing
that's going on right now in the midst of this tornado.
I'm not quite as I'm finding that I'm able to
walk through hard things with more grace right now.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, that's what maybe he needed. He said that you're
that' typer personality, you like AB and C and you
don't feel comfortable. Maybe he she's too comfortable. She needs
to start realizing what it's like not to be so comfortable.
I needed to throw a little uncomfortable in here, you
call it into her.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean you can very well be right and
to trust him for everything, because it's like, I'm really
having to trust that. I think God he loves us,
and he wants to prove his love to us. He's
such a good god like so he wants to put
us in these situations that might look awful and impossible
so that he can show up and show us that.
We can look back and go, wow, God really does
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love us. He's really, he's real. He's there for us,
and look what he did.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, and he's not above testing you either.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's not above testing us. That's for sure. That is
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You say you love me go I want to see.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know, isn't that true? And we do that to
each other as well, But yeah, we do. I think
I think humans test each other. God God test is
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, if we were made in his image, if He's
going to do it, why wouldn't we do it too?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Right? I mean, and even Jesus does it. Like he said,
you know, if anybody who would look back and look
to the power whatever want to bury your mother or father,
you're not worthy of my kingdom. So he's like yeah,
and like I prove to me that you want to
follow me?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, And that's where that's And it's hard. I mean,
we're just pontificating about our All you have to do
is just follow Jesus and always, you know. But it
gets hard. I mean your question's creak been to your
mind is like going, I didn't even do it anything.
Why are you testing me? You know?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard. And all I
can say is that the pain does purify you. And
I guess that's why God uses pain. I mean, it's
not like we're really going to get purified if we're
sitting around all day eating marshmallows and looking at rainbows. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I'm not prophetic or anything like that, I'll admit it,
but I just realized I do have. What I said
earlier does have a connection with the early Bible. Okay,
we talked about that rugby player who's paralyzed and now
all of a sudden he's starting to get some pain
into his legs and so that's cool and for him,
you know, it's like, yes, okad. We think about the Apostles.
When you think about Paul and them, when they would
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get whipped and scourged and all that kind of stuff,
they loved it because they were getting closer to Jesus
that way that they were going through what Jesus as
went through.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's true. That's true that he said count it all joy.
And that's a hard burst for me. Counted all joy.
When you're thinking about counting suffering as joy, that's a
hard one.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's very hard. I mean, it's just it's hard to
wrap your mind around. And I like going, Okay, this sucks.
So how am I supposed to No, I can't be
happy about it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's so true, I mean, and I think it is
like you feel his presence, he says, I'll draw close
to the broken hearted. I think you feel his presence
when you're going through these hard times when you really strongly,
like you just know he's there and there's a special
intimate relationship you have. And then when things kind of
go back to normal, quote unquote normal where it's a
little bit, like you said, easier, we're kind of floating
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along the lazy river, you might not feel this presence
as much, and that's the downside, like life's a little easier.
But I mean he kind of shows up when you
need him. He's always there, of course, but you know
you kind of feel his presence more when you're going
through the trials and the fire.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, and let's be honest, I'll be honest with you.
I'd rather float down the lazy river and know he's
there than be going through hell and have him feeling
feel his presence one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think that's yeah. I think yeah. I don't think
there's anything wrong with that. I mean, even Jesus in
the garden said, you know, if it's your will, take
this cup for me, right. It's human. We don't want
to suffer. We don't want to suffer. But you know,
it's just it's part of life unfortunately, and.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
If you grew up in church, you as soon as
you start being able to understand anything in the Bible,
one of the first things you realize is Jesus from
the very beginning told everybody it's gonna suck. Following me
isn't going to be the best. But I just do it.
At the end, you're going to be okay. I get
it now, right then. And it's so much like in
anything like if you pick up a new hobby or
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a sport, or you start exercising, the beginning always sucks,
and then it hurts, and then and all this and
it doesn't always get better, but you can sure feel
the results afterwards.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's true. That's a good analogy. Like when you're working
out and you're trying to build up your body. You know,
if you're trying to build up your spirit, it's the
same thing. God's trying to build up our spirit. Yeah,
when we're trying to build up our body, exercising sucks.
You might have to eat better, get up early. But
after you know, some time you look, you look and like, wow,
I'm stronger and I can lift more, and I feel
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good about the way I look and Yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's how your spirit should be too, right.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right, Oh, it is nice to that. Like you said,
you get stronger, you can walk through more difficult things
with a little bit more grace. And that's that's all
I'm hoping for these days. A little bit more grace.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
We'll see. The key is you need to quit being
your type a personality, admit that you're just kind of
go at it and play it by air, and got
to leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Get back into my more free spirited, free flowing kind
of I used to be that way. That I mean. Actually,
I told you how my friend from Texas came to
town a couple of weeks ago. When we were talking
about you know, before cell phones, before there were you know,
GPS's on our phone that got us everywhere we wanted
to go. We we had driven up here together from
Texas and we were dying laughing. Of course we were
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drinking too, but we were like, We're like, we came
to Nashville with like barely any money and a map.
Like I don't even know how we got here, Like
she goes, we had a map. She's like, remember we
had to kept pulling the car over and like, you know,
getting the map out and looking at it, like, but
we got here and then we stayed with some friends,
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and I know we were so free spirited. I mean,
it's easier to do that when you're young, too. I
envy the young.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I bet you couldn't fold that map, could you could?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't even know if I could read a map anymore.
We're so dependent on our phones.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It'd be kind of funny to give somebody, anybody probably
under thirty or under forty. So here's a map, open
it up, Okay, now'll fold it right.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
There's one reason I love our theme song, because that's
why I wrote that line. And the phone says, there's
no app for that today. It's like this generation doesn't
know what to do if there's not an app for what?
How do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And for you listeners? Yeah, that was her song. That
was her on there.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I was actually the second one singing. So I
have to give Mindy, my friend Mindy Michael, credit for
the first voice on there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But you can't tell because they're two blonde girls.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And we are too blonde girls. Mindy's doing good. Shout
out to Mendy. She's back in Ohio and she's a
social worker and she's taken care of people that really need,
really need some help. She's a good girl.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So, so, do you have anything that you want to
talk about on the next show that comes to your
header and just kind of let the spirit hit us.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I guess let the spirit hit us, because every time
we say we're going to talk about a topic the
night before, I usually end up being milling you going, hey,
I woke up thinking about this, and you're like, yeah,
I did. So It's like God always changes our plans.
I guess that's another reason we shouldn't be too tape
a and order all of our because it says, you
know what does he say he laughs at man's you
know what's that verse? He laughs at your plans?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Basically yeah, and it's again, I mean I don't remember
a famous comedian. He goes, you're going to make God laugh?
Tell him your plans.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Exactly. Yeah. So you know, maybe that's the theme of
these times is uh, every day flow with the Holy Spirit.
I don't think any of us can really predict these times, right.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And we want to thank you all for listening today
catching another episode of These Days of Jeff and Steph
and
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Until next time, just remember we are all in it together.
Waiting the day light. Sounds I'm gotta get to the Starbucks,
get some magic bees, be on my way. Magical Sassmason,
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
That today. Well, hi, and welcome to these days where
Jeff and Steph. I am Jeff, and we'll be joining
with Steph here in a second one. Thank you all
for joining us today. We're coming to you from a
Catholic perspective. We'll be talking about Bible history and some
prophecy and mysticism and all that good stuff. Steph, how
are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm hanging in there trying to wade through a lot
of discernment and big life changes today. How are you doing? Jeff?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
A lot better than you have time? Sounds like I don't.
I'm just kind of like floating on a lazy river
right now in the middle of summer.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I feel like I'm in the middle of a hurricane. So, yeah,
you are doing You're doing want better than me?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah? I ah? How's the weather out there?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
At least it's hot. It's the same. It's the same
as usual, just hot. And I think we're supposed to
get a break from all that at the end of
the end of the week. Here how about you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Guys, same thing. It's hot and it's in this weekend,
it's going to cool off. So I don't know. I
love summer, so it's only going to be in the
seventies we get a break and went ooh, that means
summer's all silver.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
They's bumming you out. I've been meaning to ask you
when's your birthday? Is your birthday in summer?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
June and fifth?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay? I figured it might be because people who like summer,
I've noticed, usually have a birthday in the summer.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah. I don't know if I told you this, but
growing up I noticed that you guys call him cicadas,
that I recall him Katie DIDs, and they always hit
right about this time. And so as a little kid,
you runn aroun the neighborhood and then you hear the
Katie did and you'd be like, ah, summer was coming
doing that, and went so I started chirping.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Right, Yeah, they're chirping loud here. They annoyed the crap
out of me.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really, I'm talking about the end of summer here. But
there's a lot of prophecy going out there that we
might be in the end times and all that kind
of stuff. All kinds of profits are you can hear
them everywhere and radio, newspaper a lot, online and all
that kind of stuff. So how do you know when
somebody's being prophetic or not?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, first of all, I would like to say, there
are three kind of testing points that I've heard some
really good profits that I admire or who I respect,
I guess I would say and think that they do
have true prophetic gifts. They say, first of all, it
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should never be because somebody actually may have a prophetic
gift and have a true calling to deliver a prophetic message,
that doesn't necessarily mean that message is for you. So
you do have to discern it. And you know, the
Bible says test the spirit and test the message, and
so you have to always go back to God in prayer,
so and say is this message for me? Is this
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word for me? You know, you just need to always
if you feel like it might be for you, always
go back to God in prayer and with scripture. But
but the three main things are, Number one, it's not
going to be new information. It's going to be something
that you feel like God has already been telling you
for a while. God God usually will use the prophet
to confirm his message. So you know, you feel like
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God's telling you a specific thing over and over and
then you see a prophetic message that says the same thing. Well,
there's your confirmation. Number two, it's always going to align
with scripture. It's never going to say anything that goes
against the scriptures. And number three, it should be comforting
and uplifting. It shouldn't be doom and gloom. I mean,
there are messages about how we are in the end times,
and we all know the end times are biblical. It's
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going to happen, but there should be some kind of
you know, that's not a fun thing to think about,
but there should be some kind of thread of hope.
I guess in the message, Like even if our hope
is that we're in Jesus Christ, right, so even we
all know we're going to die. Father heels it all
the time. He's like, well, if you don't know you're
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gonna die, I can't help you, right, He's like, he like,
don't even come to me and talk about stuck in
up toilet paper. He goes, you're just going to be
the first house that gets raided when everybody else runs
out of toilet paper. What good is that going to do?
You know, like He's like, we're gonna die, but our
hope is in Jesus and in eternity, and so yeah,
but I think it's interesting. So I was I was
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going to read this scripture just for all of our
all of our friends who may be a little skeptical
about prophecy and Acts two seventeen. It does say it
shall come to pass in the last days, and I
think we all recognize we were in the last days.
Saith God, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh.
Your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your young men
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will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.
And I think that, you know, men should be translated
as men and women. You're young men or women will
see visions, you're old men and women will dream dreams.
And you know, I've definitely seen visions, had dreams, and
you know, so I saw profit I really respect. The
other day, she had a really interesting point. Sometimes God
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will show you his heart. It doesn't mean that something's
necessarily going to come true. You can be praying about
something and asking about something and he can say, yeah,
this is my heart. For this to happen. Marriage reconciliation,
for one, A lot of people are talking about marriage reconciliation,
and this is a season where God is reconciling marriages
and families. That is his heart. Reconciliation is his heart,
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That's what he wants. But doesn't necessarily mean it's going
to happen, no, because I mean, you look at how
the Egyptian I mean how the Israelites wandered through Egypt.
It was supposed to be a short journey, right, and
they were wandering around for forty years. Why because of
their disobedience, they lack of faith and their rebelliousness. I
mean even Moses who did all these great things at
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the end, well, he was supposed to speak to the rock.
God said, what speak to the rock? And instead he
was disobedient and he struck it with his staff. So
he was disobedient and he liked faith, and he wasn't
allowed to of the promised lamb, which can seem really
harsh and unfair, but you know, God is pretty serious
about obedience and faith. And you know, if you have
a rebellious spirit or a disobedient spirit, you very well
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could live out your life and not see the fulfillment
of what God's heart is, of what his ultimate desire
for your life was. And that's a scary thing to me.
That's a that's a sad thing.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, he needs your obedience. He easy to follow it
in order to get the best out of you. I
mean he he can have a plan for you, and
you can be going along and then he's gonna go okay,
and Jesus talked about Okay, you're gonna have some rough
bites and so just keep you know, believing in me.
Then you hit the rough spots and then all of
a sudden, now you're not obedient, and so now it
changes on how you would have come out of the
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rough spots, and so now it's not where it was
originally supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So it changes the whole trajectory of your life really exactly. Yeah,
I can even relate it to It's like you can
feel it, like when I knew I was supposed to
move to Nashville, you know, like right when I I
knew I was supposed to move to Nashville when I
came up here with my mom when I was seventeen
and I just had to get through high school and
graduate and I went to college for a year there.
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But then I knew I was supposed to move here
at twenty one, and I had come up here and
we had been in this songwriting competition and I had
met this girl. God God was lying. I could feel
his favor. You're gonna lose God's favor when you're dis obedient,
that's the thing. So I could feel his favor. He
lined me up with this girl that was my age,
that had come up to us because she thought my
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mom's song was really great. And my mom was like, oh,
you should meet my daughter. She's your age, and like
we I think I had told you about her. She
was married to the drummer of Ricochet. They had just
signed a record deal and we were like. She was like, yea,
you should live with us. We have a two bedroom
town home and we kind of had it all worked
out and I could feel God's favor on it, and
he was like, yes, move now. I gave you the roommate,
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I gave you the friend, I gave you the end
to the music business. I've done it all for you.
He opened all the doors. I go back to Texas
and I meet a guy right I get in this
relationship that I shouldn't have been in, and then a
year and a half later when that doesn't work out,
and I mean it was it was like hard on me.
The minute it didn't work out. I was like, I've
got to move to Nashville. I'm late. That's what I
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felt like, you know. I was like, I'm late. I'm
late for a very important day. So I packed up
my stuff with five hundred bucks in a tiny U
haul and I came. I did. I came. I came
straight to Nashville knowing I kind of knew, and now hindsight,
now I know I was disobedient. But even then I
kind of had this feeling that I had missed my
window and that I was late and that you know,
(08:28):
I didn't really know the feeling, but now I can
put words to it that I've lost God's favor because
nothing really felt right now didn't mean I still wasn't
supposed to be here. No, and God still had mercy,
He still worked things out. I did still end up
living with that girl, But how many opportunities did I miss?
Like she ended up being friends with Brad Paisley and
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going to some of his like before I got here,
So like I missed opportunities and I missed connections. And
by the time I got here and we moved in together,
she was already going about to go through her divorce.
It was It's just like it felt like the timing
was off the whole time, and it was all because
of my disobedience. So that that's one great example of
we need to be in tune with God, and we
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need to be staying in scripture and in prayer to
know what God is, where he's He'll tell it, he'll
tell you, He'll make it clear. I knew I was
supposed to come to Nashville, and I chose my flesh,
and so that's a big lesson for some people out there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And like anybody else too. And that's like we said,
what makes God mad? Well, yeah, he had that all
lined up for you, and then I was saying, come on, man,
I get all this for you down here, and right now,
I think he'd be asked to realize, Okay, you missed
your window, but that doesn't mean Guy's not going to
open another one for.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
You, right exactly. That's very true. But yeah, but we
make it harder on ourselves, and you could miss your
window completely because I don't know, I just you do see,
you do see. I mean I know older people who
are like, I know, I should have stayed with my
wife or I know this, you know, I should have
taken this path. They look back when they're old and
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they're like, you know, I screw my whole life up,
and what could it have been? And you have to
live and some people die with that question what could
it have been?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, that's true. But then I think also once they
tried something else and it didn't work, they kept looking
back at that and blaming that window instead of looking
for more opportunities. Right, you know, it's kind of like, Okay, yeah,
I've screwed up. I should have never divorced that woman.
She was the best woman I ever had. And then
was he looking to replace her then? Or was he
you know, was he looking to say, Okay, well, God
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is going to give me another woman along the way,
and you know she's not going to be like that
first one, but you know, still be happy, right I do.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I feel I feel like God has an ultimate plan
for all of our lives, which is His greatest glory
and blessings and all that. Now, if we miss that
he'll still he will still be merciful. I do think
we calls curses and generational stuff though onto our life
when we miss especially if you're disobedient, when he's telling
you to do something. Now that's different, you know than
right then just you know, there's his mercy and his plan.
(10:59):
B if you're you know, but if you're if you're
really being disobedient and he had a real plan for
your life, then I don't know. I just saw it
with my own mom and dad when they died. I
actually did feel a pretty strong sense of that they
had not fulfilled God's plans for their life. And that
was really sad to me, even though there was a
lot of grace and there was good times, but they
also had a lot of tribulation, a lot of hard times.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well you also you've egested I can't even talk care no,
but you were telling me the story and I actually
watched it by a rugby player who his life totally
changed on a.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Dime, right, And then this is where God has a
plan for your life and you have to make the
best out of something tragic. And actually I just had
an email from Father Rosetti, who's an exorcist in this country.
Great little thing he had written about grace. Grace's come
through suffering, and there's no cheap grace. He was saying,
like people sometimes look at people who have so much,
(11:57):
like so many prospiraual gifts and prophecy and all this stuff,
that they don't realize how much these people have suffered.
In every saint. You look at the saints, they all
suffered a lot to get the graces they had. So
I kind of look at the prophets that I do
consider legitimate. I guess you would say they've suffered a lot,
and they've suffered well, and they've chosen to pick up
(12:17):
their cross and to be with God. So this guy,
I think he pronounced his name, he's pretty popular. He's
got a YouTube channel like millions of years, and he's
from South Africa, and he travels to America a lot.
God calls him to come to the States a lot.
And I think he's actually going to be here the
whole month of August and September teaching a prophetic workshop.
(12:38):
And he does. He leans him in ours and all this.
So anyway, he was he's in South Africa. Cute young
guy was really good at rugby. Was about to sign
to a professor because rugby is big in South Africa,
not football, and was about to get signed to a
professional rugby team, and he had do you know the story?
(12:59):
Do you know his like accident story? Did you watch
his conversion thing?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I kind of flipped through. I missed his actual conversion part.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, Well, so he has this car accident and he's
out in the middle of nowhere and he's not even conscious,
and so this guy finds him and when he wakes up,
it's just him in this very tall, skinny, dark he said,
dark skinned man. And the man says, my name is Gabriel,
and he said, and he said, I've called the paramedics.
I've told them where you are. I mean, the guy
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called the paramedics and gave them the exact coordinates of
where they were, because they weren't there was no street
signs or anything, was in the middle of nowhere. And
he said, I've called your father and I've let him
know what's happened and in what hospital will be taken
He already knew that, the guy, Gabriel knew what hospital
they'd be taking them to, and he told all one.
He goes and I've saved my number in your phone,
(13:47):
and I gave my father. I gave your father my
phone number as well. And you're gonna be okay. And
that's what he told him. He's like, you're going to
be okay and when and you know, allwe says. He
kind of passed out again after that, and when the
paramedics got there, they were amazed at the position they
found him in because they said, you know, being thrown
from the car like that, and his spine was messed up.
They said, this guy had moved him to a position
(14:08):
that there's no way he could have got into by
being thrown from the car if somebody had to put
him in that position, and it was the exact perfect
position for him to be in to not have further
spinal damage. And anyway, they take him to the hospital.
He undergoes like two days worth of spinal surgery. It
was like a week or two later. He was in
the hospital and started thinking about that man Gabriel. He's like,
(14:29):
you know, he'd been through so much, he hadn't even
really thought about him, but he thought, I need to
call him and say thank you. And so he gets
his phone, he looks it up and the number's gone.
He's like he hadn't seen it in there, and he
calls his dad. He's like, hey, you know that Gabriel
guy that found me. I want to call him and
say thank you. And his dad was like he looked
through his phone and is like the number's gone, and
both of them had seen the number in there, and
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isn't that crazy? And so yeah, fast forward, this guy's
got a huge ministry. Now. He went through about a
year or two years of being really depressed and having
suicidal thoughts and not wanting to live if he was
going to have to be in a wheelchair. And you know,
he said he heard God's very clearly tell him you
will walk again and run again someday in this life.
I promise you that. He said, he promised him the healing.
(15:13):
And then he talks a lot about waiting for God's
promises to come true, that if you have heard from God,
and you know you've heard from God, you have to
hang on to that promise because God's ways are higher
than our ways. His timing is not our timing. And
he's been waiting for ten years, so he gets it.
But he's like, you know, I would never change that
he did a video the other day, was real emotional.
He said, I would never change the person I am
(15:35):
right now. If God had healed me sooner, I would
never be the person I am right now. So just
like that spiritual growth.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right, And a lot of people think that for it
to be a miracle, you know, God had promised me
you will run and you will walk again. And I
think a lot of people just construe that that all
of a sudden they're going to have a big white
lights shine over and boom, and they're going to hop
out of bed and all that. And I realized that
there could be somebody in a university right now figure
out how to fix that. So his and that's how
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he could walk too.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's a great point. Yeah, it could be from Yeah,
God loves to work with us. It's not always just
like him waving the magic wand and then more healed, right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So God said, you know he knew that. Okay, they're
working on this. They're going to figure it out. Just
give them time. You know, it might take fifteen twenty years,
but they'll figure out how to get you walking again.
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's true. And I mean just a cool Well said,
note he had not had any feeling in his you know,
from like waist down for years, and that did start
coming back over the past summer. He started being able
to He started feeling pain and uncomfortable by sitting in
the chair all day and having some pain in his
foot and he was like, that's just crazy. It was
(16:46):
crazy to him. So he's not walking again yet, but
there are maybe signs something's happening. I don't know, but
he was pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And we'll think about this when all of just to
break people in general, it's the one thing you want
to avoid in life, and that's pain. But this guy,
he's been paralyzed, so pain for him is just awesome. Hey,
I can feel it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What a good point. Yeah, I never thought about it
that way. You're exactly right, man. Yeah, And maybe the
very thing that we are trying to avoid is the
one thing that's going to save us. Yeah. God loves
to flip the script like that. I've noticed, like I'm
such a type a plan everything out person. God's got
me in the season where I don't know exactly where
(17:30):
I'm going to live. I have a part time job,
but it's definitely not enough long term to support me.
But he told me to take it. Literally, he told
me to take it. There's just all these balls up
in the air and these missing pieces to my puzzle,
and I'm in this role uncertain place, and it's very uncomfortable.
So all I can do is like take it one
day at a time. If anybody wants to pray for me,
(17:51):
I appreciate prayers, but I need them. It's just like
trust in God. I think he's just trying to teach
me to trust him for the day. And maybe it's
because of the times we're in where we're all about
to see, like all the prophets are saying, so many
of them are saying, and I'm getting the same message
that these last couple of weeks of August or preparation
and that we are about to see a major shaking
(18:13):
and judgment in the world. So he may be trying
to grow us to where we can live in the
uncomfortable spots. Right now.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've been getting a lot of messages and stuff. It
seems like there's a lot of prophets are talking about
this whole thing between the UK and Ukrainian and Russia
and all that kind of stuff. Have you been following
any of the profits on that I have?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I have what one prophet said that it felt very
true to me. He said he saw a vision of
a white flag, but it was like a it was
a fake so like it was going to look like
peace on the outside. And you know that he saw
Trump as Trump is like acting as a broker, which
I think we can all agree. Trump is like Trump's
really telling the people like, y'all aren't making any money,
(18:55):
nobody's winning, and you know Trump hates losers. He's like,
you know, people are dying, nobody's winning, nobody's making any money.
You could do it this way, you do it my way.
You're going to make money. People don't have to die,
and everybody wins. You know, that's kind of his spiell
so to speak. And it's actually what this guy said
is it's going to be a catalyst. It's going to
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be a catalyst for God's judgment to begin when that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So he didn't just because one of the sides is
going to actually take advantage of it or something.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, it's just almost going to be like a trigger
in the spiritual world for God's wrath and judgment to begin.
Like what he's been saying to all the prophets and
to me too, is that this is really a season
where he's taking down the prideful we're coming to times
of revival. That what happens to be to spark revival,
it's usually hardship and war and trials, and you know,
(19:48):
it's like the pride being humbled to where you can
turn back to God. You've got to be humbled forgot,
you know, to take for a revival to happen, there's
usually a humbling that happens first, I guess, is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, yeah, pride is I mean, throughout the Bible Old Testament,
pride is one of the worst things that God just hates.
I mean, that's just right. You can't deal with it.
It ruins everything and.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
A rebellious spirit. And I would say that the majority
of people on the earth right now are walking around
in pride and disobedience and what the rebellious spirit wanted
to do things their way and not really asking God
what is your way? Or like most people are not
fully submitted to God. I mean for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, and one thing too, when we talk about pride now,
there's a difference because some people, well, you can be
proud of yourself. You know that you should be. That
should be your self esteem. You should be a proud
of who you are and all that. But you need
to be prideful that you're not doing this by yourself,
that God is behind the scenes helping you out do this.
So when you see a professional athlete, he just makes
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a great catch or something and thank you God, Well
he's acknowledging it. Well, now you get some other guy
who sit at their beats his chest. No, that was me.
I made that catch, and he can just almost feel
the difference in the two the two men as they are.
You can tell you who is humbled and who is not,
and who is going to go farther and who's.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Not exactly, And you see it time and time again.
I mean with the especially with the athletes who are
really good and really talented, who are not humble, something
always happens where they have some kind of downfall.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right, So yeah, it's a pride, it's it's got Well,
let's just go back to what we were talking about,
what you've been following the profits we're talking about the
Ukraine and Russia. Now, not just that one, but pretty
much any conflict in there. It gets to a point
where you want peace. Pride steps in, you know, they said,
you know, one tide didn't want to acknowledge this is
(21:39):
no on the other side, we're not giving up this,
you know, And so they both dig their heels in
because of their pride. And if they just swallowed it,
both swallowed, then you can actually come to the middle, right.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And it's so hard to get to that heart place
where Christ wants us to be, where we're actually not
concerned about ourselves, but we're willing, willing the good of
the other. Like that's really what you know. Jesus said,
if somebody, you know, watch what do you say, watch
your well, he said, you know, give him the coat,
give him, you know, give give him your jacket to
you know, give him everything, and don't ask for it back.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like can I take a side step because that that
brought me into a joke, you know, Jesus says that
he said, you know, if he asked, if you he
asked for your coat, give it to him. If he
asked you to walk a mile, walk two miles, and
all that kind of stuff. There's this one said, but
you know, the whole thing is walk a mile in
somebody else's shoes, goes. If you walk a mile in
my shoes, all you have done is walk a mile.
(22:33):
You spend ten minutes in my head. That'll really freak
you out. So anyway, now we'll go back to I
just couldn't let that joke go. I though I think
it's really good. I think it's clean.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Funny. Yeah that is funny, but yeah, it's that's the
hard that's the hard part is to and I guess
it's all just like human selfishness too. It's like we
were always thinking about ourselves. It's hard to like put
you know, as people, we need to put the other
person first, and as countries we don't do that like
we I mean, of course, you have to take care
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of your yourself, and you can't be there's a difference
between being compassionate and being a doormat right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And like when a lot of people that they kind
of misinterbed when they said pray for your enemies, you know,
and treat your enemies right and all that kind of stuff,
well they take what basically Jesus is. I don't want
to put words in Jesus now, not get me in trouble.
But when he's basically saying, you know, basically, if they
need help, help them, you know, go ahead and give
them some food, give them some water, you know, if
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they don't do what they need to survive, and all
this kind of stuff. You know, me saying to pray
for him, Well, sure you pray them. Okay, God, this
person's trying to kill me, but they didn't. Now I
give him some food and water, you know, let them
good life now. And they say, well, I'm not praying
for them. They hurt me so bad. Well, when you're
praying for them, you're not asking God to buy them
a new car. You know, you're trying to say, hey, God,
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do what you have to do with them, man, and
then let me. You know, it's totally different, right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Because I feel I think the reason he said. I
think there's also like the last part of that verse.
It says, in doing when you pray for your enemies,
in doing so, you're heaping coals on their head. Right,
So it's like, when you pray for somebody, it keeps
your heart from getting bitters. It's actually almost like it's
medicine for you. It keeps you from getting bitter. It
(24:22):
helps you let go of the negativity or whatever pain
or harm they've caused you. And then it's like you're
giving it to God so that you know, he said,
vengeance is mine and he suggests God. So if somebody
is walking in an unjust path, he is, he's going
to take care of him. I mean, they're going to
have to account for that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So yeah, it's just that's that whole pride thing. I mean,
it's just like, okay, you oh I love God, I
love God. Oh, then you don't trust God's going to
do straighten out. It's going to keep you good. But
then he's going to take care of the person who
did you wrong. Also, he can do.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That right right, and and there's a righteous judgment. I mean,
he said, if he loves you, he is to discipline
you like a good father. He wants you to come
to repentance. He wants you to come to a place
where you're not prideful. So sometimes you know, you do
get disciplined and go through hard things just so he
can take down your pride, so he can change your
heart and make you just make you a kinder, more
(25:14):
compassionate person. I definitely have been through that in my
own life, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, and maybe this, like you said this, you can't
Ukraine Russia thing might be a catalyst that one prophet
speaking about, and it can because lots of times certain
things they need to be done in public so everybody
else can witness this, so not everybody else has to
go through the same thing too.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's true, that's true. I mean, I do think we
are in a time of duality where I don't know
what's coming and we only prophesy on part. But I
think it's it's just like what we've been saying the
best of times, in the worst of times. I think
we're going to see God's wonders, signs and miracles. Just
draw close to God because I feel like we're just
going on. We're about to be like on the I mean,
(25:56):
it's going to be a rough ride, but there's going
to be miracles, there's going to be provisioned who knows
what's going to happen. There's also going to be judgment,
and there's there's going to be, you know, a shaking
of the world systems that are not good because He's
he's changing that and he's making the path straight for
his return. Like, basically that's what's happening. I mean, he's
he's getting ready to return. Whether it's fifty years, one
(26:17):
hundred years, I don't think it's that far in the future.
I really don't have had to bet my life on it,
or even like more importantly, if I had to bet
my dog or my cat's life on it, I would say,
I don't think it's that far off. But he's got
to humble everybody first and get every He was the
Bible saying he's coming back for a spotless bride. So
he doesn't want to come back for a bride that's
all dirty and nasty. He's like, he's trying to clean
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us up, right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you can got a lot of different paths. Paths
that I'll say this in the spirit of healing as
much as my personal life as it is a tornado
right now, and I don't like it and I'm not
comfortable in it. On a deeper level, I have felt
a shift, and all the prophets are talking about how
there's been a shift. I can say that that's true
(27:05):
because I do feel a sense of deeper peace and
joy and boldness and courage and strength that has come
back into me. So there is like a deeper healing
that's going on right now in the midst of this tornado.
I'm not quite as I'm finding that I'm able to
walk through hard things with more grace right now.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, that's what maybe he needed. He said that you're
that' typer personality, you like AB and C and you
don't feel comfortable. Maybe he she's too comfortable. She needs
to start realizing what it's like not to be so comfortable.
I needed to throw a little uncomfortable in here, you
call it into her.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean you can very well be right and
to trust him for everything, because it's like, I'm really
having to trust that. I think God he loves us,
and he wants to prove his love to us. He's
such a good god like so he wants to put
us in these situations that might look awful and impossible
so that he can show up and show us that.
We can look back and go, wow, God really does
(28:02):
love us. He's really, he's real. He's there for us,
and look what he did.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, and he's not above testing you either.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's not above testing us. That's for sure. That is
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You say you love me go I want to see.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know, isn't that true? And we do that to
each other as well, But yeah, we do. I think
I think humans test each other. God God test is
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, if we were made in his image, if He's
going to do it, why wouldn't we do it too?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Right? I mean, and even Jesus does it. Like he said,
you know, if anybody who would look back and look
to the power whatever want to bury your mother or father,
you're not worthy of my kingdom. So he's like yeah,
and like I prove to me that you want to
follow me?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, And that's where that's And it's hard. I mean,
we're just pontificating about our All you have to do
is just follow Jesus and always, you know. But it
gets hard. I mean your question's creak been to your
mind is like going, I didn't even do it anything.
Why are you testing me? You know?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard. And all I
can say is that the pain does purify you. And
I guess that's why God uses pain. I mean, it's
not like we're really going to get purified if we're
sitting around all day eating marshmallows and looking at rainbows. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I'm not prophetic or anything like that, I'll admit it,
but I just realized I do have. What I said
earlier does have a connection with the early Bible. Okay,
we talked about that rugby player who's paralyzed and now
all of a sudden he's starting to get some pain
into his legs and so that's cool and for him,
you know, it's like, yes, okad. We think about the Apostles.
When you think about Paul and them, when they would
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get whipped and scourged and all that kind of stuff,
they loved it because they were getting closer to Jesus
that way that they were going through what Jesus as
went through.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's true. That's true that he said count it all joy.
And that's a hard burst for me. Counted all joy.
When you're thinking about counting suffering as joy, that's a
hard one.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's very hard. I mean, it's just it's hard to
wrap your mind around. And I like going, Okay, this sucks.
So how am I supposed to No, I can't be
happy about it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's so true, I mean, and I think it is
like you feel his presence, he says, I'll draw close
to the broken hearted. I think you feel his presence
when you're going through these hard times when you really strongly,
like you just know he's there and there's a special
intimate relationship you have. And then when things kind of
go back to normal, quote unquote normal where it's a
little bit, like you said, easier, we're kind of floating
(30:27):
along the lazy river, you might not feel this presence
as much, and that's the downside, like life's a little easier.
But I mean he kind of shows up when you
need him. He's always there, of course, but you know
you kind of feel his presence more when you're going
through the trials and the fire.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, and let's be honest, I'll be honest with you.
I'd rather float down the lazy river and know he's
there than be going through hell and have him feeling
feel his presence one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think that's yeah. I think yeah. I don't think
there's anything wrong with that. I mean, even Jesus in
the garden said, you know, if it's your will, take
this cup for me, right. It's human. We don't want
to suffer. We don't want to suffer. But you know,
it's just it's part of life unfortunately, and.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
If you grew up in church, you as soon as
you start being able to understand anything in the Bible,
one of the first things you realize is Jesus from
the very beginning told everybody it's gonna suck. Following me
isn't going to be the best. But I just do it.
At the end, you're going to be okay. I get
it now, right then. And it's so much like in
anything like if you pick up a new hobby or
(31:32):
a sport, or you start exercising, the beginning always sucks,
and then it hurts, and then and all this and
it doesn't always get better, but you can sure feel
the results afterwards.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's true. That's a good analogy. Like when you're working
out and you're trying to build up your body. You know,
if you're trying to build up your spirit, it's the
same thing. God's trying to build up our spirit. Yeah,
when we're trying to build up our body, exercising sucks.
You might have to eat better, get up early. But
after you know, some time you look, you look and like, wow,
I'm stronger and I can lift more, and I feel
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good about the way I look and Yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's how your spirit should be too, right.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right, Oh, it is nice to that. Like you said,
you get stronger, you can walk through more difficult things
with a little bit more grace. And that's that's all
I'm hoping for these days. A little bit more grace.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
We'll see. The key is you need to quit being
your type a personality, admit that you're just kind of
go at it and play it by air, and got
to leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Get back into my more free spirited, free flowing kind
of I used to be that way. That I mean. Actually,
I told you how my friend from Texas came to
town a couple of weeks ago. When we were talking
about you know, before cell phones, before there were you know,
GPS's on our phone that got us everywhere we wanted
to go. We we had driven up here together from
Texas and we were dying laughing. Of course we were
(32:52):
drinking too, but we were like, We're like, we came
to Nashville with like barely any money and a map.
Like I don't even know how we got here, Like
she goes, we had a map. She's like, remember we
had to kept pulling the car over and like, you know,
getting the map out and looking at it, like, but
we got here and then we stayed with some friends,
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and I know we were so free spirited. I mean,
it's easier to do that when you're young, too. I
envy the young.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I bet you couldn't fold that map, could you could?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't even know if I could read a map anymore.
We're so dependent on our phones.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It'd be kind of funny to give somebody, anybody probably
under thirty or under forty. So here's a map, open
it up, Okay, now'll fold it right.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
There's one reason I love our theme song, because that's
why I wrote that line. And the phone says, there's
no app for that today. It's like this generation doesn't
know what to do if there's not an app for what?
How do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And for you listeners? Yeah, that was her song. That
was her on there.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I was actually the second one singing. So I
have to give Mindy, my friend Mindy Michael, credit for
the first voice on there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But you can't tell because they're two blonde girls.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And we are too blonde girls. Mindy's doing good. Shout
out to Mendy. She's back in Ohio and she's a
social worker and she's taken care of people that really need,
really need some help. She's a good girl.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So, so, do you have anything that you want to
talk about on the next show that comes to your
header and just kind of let the spirit hit us.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I guess let the spirit hit us, because every time
we say we're going to talk about a topic the
night before, I usually end up being milling you going, hey,
I woke up thinking about this, and you're like, yeah,
I did. So It's like God always changes our plans.
I guess that's another reason we shouldn't be too tape
a and order all of our because it says, you
know what does he say he laughs at man's you
know what's that verse? He laughs at your plans?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Basically yeah, and it's again, I mean I don't remember
a famous comedian. He goes, you're going to make God laugh?
Tell him your plans.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Exactly. Yeah. So you know, maybe that's the theme of
these times is uh, every day flow with the Holy Spirit.
I don't think any of us can really predict these times, right.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And we want to thank you all for listening today
catching another episode of These Days of Jeff and Steph
and
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Until next time, just remember we are all in it together.
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