Breaking Down Tennessee & The SEC with Cora Hall

Friend of the pod, Cora Hall, is back to talk about the Tennessee Volunteers, Talaysia Cooper's stardom, the top of the SEC, candidate for SEC Freshman of the Year, and much more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to another episode of That They've Gotten Now. I
am joined today by friend of the program, friend in general,
Coral Hall. Cora first and foremost, how are you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me on
Broute multiple appearances for me on this podcast. I love it.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, well, be careful because it could be your last.
You never know, just kidding. Most importantly, obviously, we share
basketball connections, we share friendship, but we also share the
enjoyment of now Grammy Award winner. Does she or can
we just like fan out over the last night's performance

(00:48):
because she killed it. She killed it at the Grammys.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh, She's literally an icon. I'm just so happy for
her because I feel, like, I don't want to say,
it's rare to see somebody with her level of like
artistry and like her personality tied into that, Like it
is such a high level at which she does it.
It is so cool to just see her art live

(01:13):
because I mean, her kind of Grammy press tour leading
up to this, she had some incredible performances on like
Late Night Show and stuff like that, and every single
aspect of it is so intentional and cool and very
personal to her, and you can like very much. Tell
when you watch it and you listen.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, listening to Alligator by snever Heel for the first
time was awesome, Like awesome album. She just has such
a unique sound. It's like I was talking to somebody
about this the other day and I've actually I put
you onto this too, and I don't think about it.
I was talking about it with somebody else. But she
like is the most anybody's ever reminded me, like old
dirty Bastards from Mutang, Like literally can just do so

(01:53):
many different things within her genre and like like I
think literally you look at last Night performs Catfish and
Denials the River and like two very different songs with
very different like kind of perceptions and just like sounds everything.
I love it. She's phenomenal. Also, for anybody who hasn't
watched it, you should watch her Nardoir interview. I don't

(02:16):
particularly I don't love Nardoar necessarily, but like that Pole,
like the energies were just completely matched and it was
it was that was probably the best Nard War interview
I've ever seen, So that one was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I loved it. It was so good. And I watched
hers and Chapel Roans like on my drive back to
Tennessee from Christmas and I just having the time my life, Like, honestly,
it was so entertaining and it's it was so fun.
But yeah, I I've been a big fan of hers
for a while, like, and just when she finally dropped
like a full project, I was so I was so

(02:51):
excited and I was so ready and it was I
haven't stopped listening to it, Like I literally just listened
to it front to back while I work and it's
I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, yeah, I mean going off that in terms of
looking at at just basketball, obviously we're talking about the SEC.
If you're here, particularly the Tennessee volunteers, I want to
start off by just asking you, like, how do you
feel about the SEC this season and where it's at?
Given I mean, we've had a lot a lot of

(03:21):
top matchups already between the upper half of the league,
quite a few more to come, but like, where are
you kind of at with how the conference is positioned
right now? Halfway through SEC play?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think the SEC is finally like back to when
it was, like, you know, undoubtedly the best conference in
the country with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma. Obviously,
Oklahoma's kind of had a tough start. They've had a
really front loaded schedule, but I think they're going to
be like a really really like strong program within the

(03:54):
SEC over the next several years. Like they're going to
definitely be perennial, like top five team Texas is obviously
coming in like as a you know, contender for the
SEC title. They obviously have the home and home of
South Carolina, which makes us super interesting. But I think
those two editions and also then it's not an addition,
but having Kenny Brooks at Kentucky, like it's completely changed

(04:17):
the way that program has performed. And I think there's
just so many strong teams right now, and I think
the middle of the pack is like pretty even, Like
there's a lot of teams with similar records, a lot
of teams beating each other within the middle of the pack,
And I think that also makes it more interesting because
I feel like the middle of the pack in the
last few years hasn't been at this level. So I

(04:40):
think it's been great. Honestly, We've had some really awesome games,
and it's still definitely South Carolina is head and shoulders
above everybody right now, and I think that's just a
credit to the machine that don has built in the
way that she reloads with players, because I mean, Joyce
Edwards has been great for them. So I think it's
been super fun. I mean, and even the teams at

(05:01):
the bottom of the conference are competing with people like
Tennessee Missouri Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
That Missouri is having it. It's it's it's annual hell
month for teams, where like they just randomly start playing
well against teams. Gave Tennessee a great game, had Texas
on the ropes. Like, I don't know what happened because
they're not they were not good knock gun. They've struggled
throughout SUC play. They're just in a little bit of

(05:27):
a tough spot as a program overall for being honest,
But like, I think they're definitely capable of competing every
night and making things difficult.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, But I think that at least like the top,
you know five teams are really really strong, and I
think you definitely have a couple teams who you could
consider title contenders and definitely a handful that you feel
good about making.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
A run in March. Yeah, well, let's get into that,
because I think exactly like you said, first and foremost,
like South Carolina has been incredible this year. They've found
another year since that game to Ucla, I still am
going to adamly say Ucla is the best team in
the country until they lose. Man, Like, you can make
whatever case about strength to schedule. They beat South Carolina

(06:15):
like that, you get the top billing. In my opinion, obviously,
Ucla is about to hit their really tough schedule stretch
in February. February is just a gauntlet for like everyone,
it's kind of nuts, particularly in the Big Ten, but
also just a lot of the top ten fifteen teams
in general. But I worth noting the South Carolina team

(06:38):
plays Yukon on February sixteenth, and I cannot wait for
that game. I was talking about was Zenacato over on
the Athletic Wins Basketball show today, and like that game
just has a chance to like really change up a
lot of things either direction, because Yukon has a chance
to be a one seed right now just based on
everything bracket wise, but they have to beat South Carolina
in my opinion, like I think if they beat South

(06:59):
Carolina have a chance to the one seed. I wouldn't
bet on it happening right now. I think South Carolina
has just played some incredible basketball. But the same time too,
I think it's tough because you kind of loses some
games earlier this year. They have obviously a very front
loaded schedule when once they start getting into the Big
East play compared to their non con but I mean
they also play Tennessee this coming week or is it

(07:20):
this week literally the sixth, So a lot to look
forward to with just the SEC having these random non
con games pop up because UKND schedules a little differently,
so a lot of stuff be excited about. And I
think on top of that, I mean we can just
go right into talking about Tennessee because that's a great juxtaposition.
This team has hit a really difficult patch recently. But

(07:44):
also it just bears mentioning how insane this conference schedule
has been for them. Like you mentioned, in terms of
things being frontloaded, you can say it's been frontloaded, but
also their schedules just they drew one of the hardest
SEC schedules this season. They already just went played South
Carolina in a close game, lost to Texas in a

(08:04):
close game at Texas, lost to Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt in
a close game, have already played Oklahoma and LSU have
to play LSU again three days after Yukon, they play
Ole Miss, they play Alabama, and then play at Kentucky,
just about to finish the season. And like, that's a
tough slate, man, So where are you at with where

(08:26):
this group is right now? I think it's a little
bit tough because in a sense like it's it was
the first season to kim, so you don't necessarily entirely
know what the what to think or like how things
are going to hit the ground running. But yeah, let's
just go from there, because it's a lot a lot
has happened in the last couple of months for Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I think I don't know, they came into conference
play with a ton of momentum. They felt really good
about themselves. They had some really good showings against you know,
Floresday Iowa. Other than that, like they really didn't have
many challenges and SEC play and I mean sorry a
non conference play. I mean they had Memphis on the road,
which you know, Memphis gave them a game with you know, D. D.

(09:11):
Hageman back. But I think they you know, you feel
really good going to conference play, and then it's it's
the first conference season for some players too, right like
Ruby white horn Z Spearman came from the ACC, which
you know was good. But I feel like maybe the
SEC is just it's just a different style of play
and it's a different kind of challenge, and so a
lot of players are going through this for the first

(09:33):
time too, and I don't know, I feel like this
the system is it's been hard, I think for them
against these top teams because you're not gonna be able
to turn over a team like South Carolina as many
times as you want to. Even I'll su like that
was a tough game for them because they were just

(09:53):
so good a transition and you know, once you can
kind of it feels like once the the top teams
have been able to get some momentum, it tends to
snowball at least once a quarter, and then they get
in this hole where it's really hard to get out of.
I mean, they gotten out of it, to be fair,
but it's hard to get out of it and then
get over the finish line and beat that team. So
I think it's been definitely a challenge. I think there's

(10:17):
been improvements, like you can see the little improvements from
game to game, but it still hasn't really come together.
I think Texas was their best game of the year,
to be honest, Like when you're talking about full forty minutes,
but then they're you know, in crunch time, their achilles
heel came up with that offensive rebound, you know, getting

(10:38):
yourself to stop and then giving up an offensive rebound
where they then they score and and you lose the
chance to take a lead on the next possession. Now
you're trying to tie the game again. So I think
there's there's been a lot of moments that I think
will help them improve, like the end of that Texas game,
like the execution and crunch time, like how can they
learn from that and get better? And I think there's

(10:59):
a lot of things that they will improve on in
the next month because January was a really hard month.
There just was really not many breaks. And not that
there's breaks in February, it's just you're not playing a
top ten team like for five games in a row almost,
So I think, you know, February could be a really
good month for them in just terms of being able

(11:22):
to see some of that improvement in games and be
able to start building off of it. But yeah, it's
just been tough because because a lot of these teams,
it's hard to turn them over as much as you
want to.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, no, I agree, And then it's like when you
can't force the turnovers, like obviously this team's still going
to press, but I just don't think the press works
quite the same when you don't get to have that
kind of effect of where oh, here's like a seven
to ten point out first over forty seconds because we
just go nuts and you rattle somebody. And like, like

(11:53):
you said, I think they struggled a little bit with
like they weren't really able to like quote unquote rattles
hout Carolina. But I do think you see really good
things where it's like, Okay, that second half this could
have been Like it's it's interesting because like I try
and have a different not different respective, but like just
like a level head of respective within it of recognizing
like this is the first year with the system, so

(12:15):
to be able to like go down like that to
South Carolina, excuse me, and then have that comeback in
the second half, like obviously it doesn't end up coming
to fruition as a win, but I think just being
able to be in games like they have, Like I
don't think have they lost the game by double digits year?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I don't believe, so, no, they haven't also been single digits.
And the South Carolina seven point loss was the largest
margin of a loss, Like every the other four losses
was a combined eight point margin. So it's like I
think three of them were one possession games. Texas was
almost one possession games. Is a four point loss. But

(12:56):
it's hard because they're right in it, but also that
this thing that happened with all of them except for Texas,
maybe they went down by double digits, and it's it's
like Kim's talked about this too, you know, It's like
once they get down, then that urgency to really lean
into the defense starts to crap up, and then they

(13:16):
start to really put on the gas with the press
and pressuring in the half court right and get some turnovers.
And then once they get the turnovers, they start to
feel really good and then they start scoring better. So
it's it's hard because it feels like everything's interconnected, right,
and so when one thing's a little bit off, then
so is everything, and so I think that may be
the hardest challenge for them just in terms of like

(13:38):
really feeling like they're building and putting together those four quarters.
Is because if one area is lacking at all, it
impacts like everything else. If they're not going to get
offensive rebounds, like winning the possession battles really hard, and
if they're not creating turnovers, then they're just getting there
just going up and down the court and also getting
tired and not getting any result out of it. So yeah,

(14:02):
I don't know. I think it's if it clicks, it's
going to click, you know what I'm saying. But I
feel like everything's so interconnected that like it's been tough
to get it to fully click.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah. No, I think there's a lot of really good
insight in that because kind of exactly like you said,
I think there's just it's a lot of the system
is momentum and like consistency, and I mean, I'm just
being honest, like this seems not consistent yet. It's hard
to expect them to be consistent to a degree. But
I think it's just tough because again I've been trying

(14:32):
to just like remind myself more of where this team
was at the last two years comparatively, because I mean,
this is just head and shoulders different, different, but also
I think respectfully better, like when you're talking about the
positions that they're in, like you want to see them
win those games more, but this is your one. And
I think there's also an element of just like remembering that.

(14:53):
And I know, like I've appreciated Kim's perspective of being
like Adam it like, no, this is you know, this
is our team. This is our like we're here now
to do this now, like we're not here to just
set something up for the future. But I do think,
like I don't know, at least to me, like having
kind of some of that perspective I think when you're
evaluating Purnium is kind of where I've tried to look

(15:14):
at it. But it's funny because we texted about this
early on in the year, but because because we were
just kind of like, you know, where are we at
with this because they hadn't really played it. It was before
the Florida State game, so they hadn't really played anybody
on commerce kind of like, you know, this team is
really interesting. There's a lot happening here, but we were

(15:36):
just like Talaysia Cooper, this is not fake, Like this
is like a legit star starting to show out, Like
she's really you know, she's obviously been a high level recruit,
somebody that people should be excited about, didn't play a
ton when she was at SC and transferred and obviously
had the injury last year. But she's just been incredible,
Like she's on track for in my opinion, all SEC

(15:58):
selection has been really freaking good on both ends. Obviously
there's some inconsistency again, which part of the difficulty of
growing into that, but she just does some things on
the court that like maybe a handful of other people
in the country can do. What have you felt, you know,
kind of getting to watch her this season see her

(16:19):
grow into this and how she's kind of handled some
of that.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, Coop is is really fun to watch. And she
actually she did sit out last year just because of
transfer eligibility rules, so she got a whole year to
just work, which is hard because like it's great because
you're like, okay, cool, Like I can really lean into
like my development. I can really just get in the
gym and not worry about, you know, everything else. But
it's also really hard to actually do that, and it

(16:45):
was it was cool because we got to do a
sit down before the season and I did a story
on her, and I didn't realize that she literally taught
herself up until like tenth grade. Like she was self taught.
She learned how to play on her own. She's from
a super small town, so in middle school she was

(17:05):
you know, basically crafting her game, playing pickup at the
trailer park she lived at. And then when she met
Ashley Ribbons in ten tenth grade, who you know, she
was formerly director of the the Curry Team in Charlotte,
and just I think that really helped her develop from

(17:25):
like technique standpoint, from you know, defensive standpoint, just like
kind of all those extra things that accountability and helping
her develop. So I think sometimes I remind myself of
that I was like until tenth grade, Like that was
when she really had like that coach who you believed
in you and was gonna get into the gritty parts
of your game and help you be ready for college.

(17:46):
Because there is sometimes when you can kind of see
some some habits that's something to be broken in terms
of like she does get like down on herself sometimes
and yeah, but I think she is such a perfect
fit for this system in particular, just because she is
so talented defensively, and she's so long and athletic, like

(18:06):
Kim talks about all the time, like she can just
go get a steal whenever she wants at the top
of the press, like because because you think you almost
have her beat and then her she can just wrap
around and like poke the ball out and I've seen
her so many times and just get an easy layup.
So she's so crucial to honestly everything they do, which
you know, I think sometimes like on Sunday, she just

(18:31):
went off on offense and they had been struggling so
hard to even score and she just all of a
sudden eight points in a minute of gameplay, like knock
down two threes and I can't remember it. I think
it was a jumper on the other one. And she
can just be like that instant spark and like turn
it on so quickly. And it's really fun to watch
because she's done so many things this year where I

(18:52):
would just sit there and be like excuse me, like
it's it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I think like just for me too,
watching like obviously, like I think there's stuff for you know,
her efficiency continue to prove more. It's a jump shooter,
like getting into some of those things. But you know,
you watch her at six feet tall, like you mentioned,
like really lanky, really long, somebody who can like just
like a very like a wing, you know, and like
that she can just get where she wants to on

(19:21):
the court anytime with her handle and her shiftiness. Like
it's interesting because she's not like a first somebody's gonna
like kill you with her first step. But that's almost
like even more impressive to me because she's just so
she's just such good control of the ball for somebody
her size that it's like there's just an element of
like how do you kind of stop her? And I think,

(19:42):
like you said, sometimes the only thing that stops her
is herself, like you know, being able, and that's part
of the growth period and learning Like this is really
like I don't want like obviously she played a full
season in South Carolma. This is our first season getting
like real, real minutes and getting to put things together.
And that's exciting because then you talk about what she's
done defensively because I think as exciting as the offense
has been to watch. I mean, she's been a perfect

(20:06):
fit in this press, like you mentioned, and playing just
within the system of what they wanted to do defensively,
To me, when I see a player like that who
just has all the tools and is like really starting
to figure out the rest of the game, she's a sophomore, man, like,
there's so much to keep building on for her, which
is what's really exciting. And obviously you don't want to

(20:27):
lose sight of this year, but I just I can't
wait to watch or keep growing because she's a star
and there's I mean that the sky is the limit
for her.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and just the way that she
does like literally everything on the court. On Sunday, she
led the team in scoring, she led team in three
point shooting, she led a team in assists, she led
him rebounding, she led a team in steals and blocks.
But she also had like six steals and three blocks,
so it wasn't just like, oh, nobody else got a
stealer block like it was. She's gonna have a triple

(20:57):
double at some point. I don't know if it's wed
this season, she'll probably have more than one trouble double
because she she's so good creating too, Like she's really
good in a two man game. She's really good at
just I think her court vision will continue to improve
in terms of like like being more of a point
guard at times, because I mean that's what she played

(21:18):
in high school a lot, but she's kind of more
of a shooting guard right now. But yeah, she is
just fantastic. You can just feel how talented she is.
And she's one of those players where like you can
just watch her play and you're like, yeah, they have
like it, like the way they move on the court,
the way she carries herself, the confidence, and like you said,
like her shiftiness is so it's so fun to watch sometimes,

(21:42):
Like I mean, there are still sometimes when she dribbles
into too much traffic, i mean gets stuck. But the
way that she can navigate through a defense just slice
through it sometimes is so cool. And it's it's interesting
because you can most of the time you can tell
when she's gonna hit her jumper because of the quality
of the drive. Like if she is just getting downhill

(22:03):
and is looking really smooth, that thing's going in. I
don't care how crazy of a shot it is it's
probably going to go in nine nine percent of the time.
And then if she's kind of got a more chaotic
drive and maybe lose her dribble a little bit but
managed to keep it and maybe has a more off
balance shot, you're like, Okay, maybe you know, a fifty
to fifty, but like if you can tell from the
second she starts to drive like that thing's going in.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
No, Absolutely, it's been a pleasure to watch her, you know,
kind of continuing on though, with this team playing Yukon
on Thursday, I feel like it could be a really
interesting fleshing point for where they're at in the season,
you know, kind of another really big opportunity, but also
a lot of rest in between, which has not been
easy to come by an SEC play, you know, especially

(22:45):
hearing from the coaching staff and just like where they're at,
where the players are at, how have they kind of
been ahead of this matchup, but just thinking about where
they're at in the season.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean, we get to talk to Kim tomorrow,
which wuld be good to kind of check in on
that again. But I feel like she and happy with
their response. You know, through the stretch, she hasn't been
super detailed about it, but she's been saying their response
has been really good in practice, and she mentioned something
specifically about Talaysia last week about how she was really
vocal in film. Yeah, and it was just and it

(23:18):
had a really good practice like all week last week,
and it showed on Sunday. So I think, yeah, I
think they're I think they're handling it. I think it's
really hard though, just when you're in the middle of
a grind like this and you're playing like literally four
top ten teams. So I think I think I agree
with you though. It's definitely kind of like that point

(23:41):
in the season where it's like it's not necessarily make
or break, but I guess it's kind of just like
find out what you're made of, because do you let
it spiral from here? Like is it too much for
you know, this team with seven new players, mind you,
like seven players who were not on the court last year.
Can you find a way to come together and build

(24:03):
something out of this or is it gonna spiral? And
I think that's kind of where we're at right now
of that moment of the next two games, you know,
you kind of at home LSU on the road LSU
for the second time. So I'm sure as to see
how they handle it, because they've been fighting, you know,
they've been fighting the last you know, stretch, and I

(24:24):
think Kim has been happy with that. But I think
it's hard because there are a lot of players on
a team that are just absolute gamers, like they want
to win. They're not happy with the losses, and it's
also their coach isn't happy either, so like there's this
standard that you're being held to and it's like, okay, yeah,
like you had twenty points we lost. That wasn't good enough.

(24:45):
And so I think I think there's a lot of
a lot of a lot we're gonna learn about this
team over the next couple of games.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, absolutely, I'm excited for it. And I don't even
mean it. Sorry, sure, excuse me. And fleshing point may
have been the wrong word, because I mean, it is
like the but like because I don't want to make
it seem like this is just like if they lose out,
the season's over. It's just I don't know, like we
talked about earlier on there, there's just like a very
different vibe about this team. I don't know how else
to put it and it just so I'm just fascinated

(25:13):
to watch them play this game and see kind of
what they can make out of it.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I mean, I do think they like truly do embody
like chip on your shoulder, and I think that's right.
And I think they're super competitive. So it's it's hard,
as you know, being around competitive athletes. It's like, does
that competitivenessness drive you into a greater you know, sphere
or next level after this stretch or is it like gonna,

(25:39):
I don't know, just make you more upset and you
got you guys can't see through it, you know what
I'm saying. So I think, like there's still so many
games left, and I think there's been a lot of
great games in February where they can kind of again
like figure that out about themselves. But I think right
now we'll kind of just the way they perform, you know.
I Mean, I'm not saying they need to win against
Yukon LSU to like feel like they're coming out of
it in a good but like how are they performing?

(26:02):
You know, are they building on the defensive pressure, are
they improving on their you know, their defensive rebounding? You know,
are there little things you can tell we're like, okay,
they're they're fighting through this and they're going to come
out better.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Absolutely was a couple of quick hitters too. Texas and
LSU in a very similar spot, you know, in terms
of like very clearly good teams lost. Ls you lost close,
Texas not as close. I think both those games were like,
you know, you just have one bad quarter and that's
all it takes. I mean that game was very close

(26:35):
for LSU and then S you put the clamps on
the second half. I'm just kind of thinking about where
both those teams are at, teams that want to get
back to a Final four. Texas was there last year,
LSU was there two years ago, like continuing to get
to that spot. Where are you at with with both
those teams and kind of what they've shown so far
and what they can the rest of the year because

(26:56):
I think that, I mean, both of them are well
positioned to continue to do great things. LSU, I believe,
has one more opportunity against South Carolina. I'm checking really quick. No,
they don't. I'm thinking, is it Texas Texas does?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
There's only one home and home in SEC for women's now.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's right, well, that's my bad. I'm sorry. I'm so
used to like I don't like, no, it's new, but yeah,
I mean, yeah, let's start with LS. Where are you
at with this team kind of after that game and
and where they're headed?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, lsu Is. It was such an interesting non conference light, right,
because I feel like you're just watching in real time
a team figure out how do we play and win
games without Angel Rees And like, I think a lot
of people maybe didn't realize the thing, like there's so

(27:48):
many things that Angel did for them that wasn't just
like points and rebounds, you know, and I think you're
there's so many little things that get impacted when a
player like that leaves. So I think a lot of
their non conference that was just them like working through that.
And they had some really close games, Like there has
some really close calls, but they managed to come out

(28:09):
on top every time. And I think at this point
the season there is something to be said about that, right.
I Mean, they played a really close name against Tennessee,
had to win on an insane hook shot, but they won.
And there's been a couple teams that like in the SEC,
it's like you're in this game, so the end, but
you don't win like every time. And I think there's

(28:29):
something you said about Els you pretty much winning every
time except for against South Carolina, and that I just
playing at South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I just stick. Can I just add on that, Like
I appreciate you pointing out because number one, I think
playing at somebody else's place, like people will like obviously
point out like oh it was there, like it was
on a neutral court, and like there's you cannot hold
college programs to pro standards, is my point. Like the

(28:59):
big thing to me this so that and I'm not
saying like obviously you don't like a team wants to
win a national title, right like they're standards. But I
just think the thing that really separates pros and college's consistency.
And I feel like the biggest place you see differences
in consistency is when it's home and away and also
in terms of style of play. Like that's what's been

(29:19):
so fascinating about the SEC. Like even just watching Vanderbilt
and ole Miss yesterday, Like I think the world of
both those programs. I think they both have done incredible things,
but there's also an element of Ole Misses really long
they're a very good switching team. They can take away gaps,
and Vanderbilt sucks at playing against that. Like that's their

(29:40):
achilles heel right now, is when you can take away
you know, off ball stuff and force them to have
to play one on one. They're not good at that
right now. So that's part of why they lose as
badly as they do to Ole Miss two games. But
then you can also point out, okay, well, when Vanderbilt
plays Tennessee, Vanderbilt's great at playing against the press. They're
great putting the press on themselves and slowing the game

(30:02):
down and like being able to handle things. And that's
why they end up eating a Tennessee team. And like
I just think again, like styles, that stuff gets thrown
out the window too much. Like that stuff matters a
lot in college of basketball. I don't remember where else
I was going with that, but because you were just
mentioning playing home and away, and I think that that
plays a big part into things. Like I mean, even

(30:23):
even talking about South Carolina losing the UCLA, Like I mean,
the game is different if it's at CLA, Like no shit,
but it's I mean, it matters. That stands out. But sorry,
continue on lsu, Oh.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
You're fine. I also think like credit to Kim Malkey
for what she's done this year too, because I mean
she's had to try to throw out a lot of
different things and see what lineup's work and who's going
to play what role and do it just you know,
as they're playing games like and I think it gets
Tennessee when she went to that small ball lineup, it

(30:58):
was kind of like, okay, like, I'll play your game
and I'm going to bet on my talent and my
depth to win out and it worked. So like I
think that team, I think at this point people probably
shouldn't overlook them when it comes to March, just because
of what happened in twenty twenty three. But I think
that's a team that could make it deep run. I
think it is dependent a little bit on their draw

(31:20):
because I do think there are like things that they
really do need to improve on, and if they get
caught with a clash of style that is really not
favorable to them, I could see them going out earlier.
But I do that's a team I feel better about
now than I did in non conference, just because I mean,
it's so hard to lose a player like Angel and

(31:42):
like just kind of keep everything the same at the
same level. Texas is really also a team I feel
good about, mostly mostly because a Madison Booker. She's just
like unbelievable that the end of the Tennessee game, because
I know I was, like, there were definitely mistakes that
Tennessee made in crunch time, right, but also Madison Booker

(32:04):
was god like in fourth Yes, when she gets hot
like in crunch time and she's hit, she's getting to
her mid range. I mean, you better just pray you
can keep her from getting to her spot, and it's
it's so hard to slow her down. I think with
the way Taylor Jones is playing with Rory, you know,
I feel like she's gotten better throughout the season coming
back from the ACL, I think that's a team that

(32:26):
could be really dangerous in March. I think I don't
know what's going on with the Liam Moore right now.
It's gonna be out for a little bit longer, so
hopefully she's okay, because I think he's really important to
their success as well. But there's also some like freshmen
who are really making impact in the rotation, so I
think they have the depth that like and just their
defense is so consistent that a lot of teams aren't
gonna be able to handle that when it comes to

(32:48):
like a tournament run and you're trying to prep for
this team like maybe in two days or whatever. I
think that's gonna be really tough for a lot of
teams to handle when you have a played a team
that plays defense like Texas does.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I do want to go back really quick to LSU
because I think, to me, obviously, you know what Anissa
Moro brings on the class with their energy, you know
what Flage brings. I think part of what's been interesting
is like seeing Flage find her spot as like the
go to player, And I think, like it's interesting because

(33:21):
it hasn't, Like you, it takes time to figure that
stuff out. I think you've seen like the really bright
flashes of her getting to that. But I think now
that we've seen other players figure out their roles, it's
hit even harder. Right like uh Mihaela Williams had a
slower start to non conference and has you look at
the Oklahoma game, which if you're not watching an LSU
fourth quarter, like what are you doing with your life?

(33:43):
Like don't miss LSU fourth quarters because they're insane. I
mean it started with that like game against Albany where
Albany played them really tight. And to be fair too,
like Albany's a really good low major team, Like that's
not just a team that everybody should just goof at
Like obviously els you should beat them. They do, but
like they just find a different gear in the fourth quarter. Man,
I can say whatever I want about spacing, and like

(34:06):
this team is still like they don't shoot a lot
of threes. They shoot a little bit better on them
this year, but still like they're not I mean, they're
not a team that is like you can help off
them on three point line. That's just being honest, but
it doesn't matter to a degree. Like this team just
goes out. They do what they do. They beat you
on the glass because they want the basketball more and

(34:27):
they have I also just have to point out like
Aniss Somorro is just like an unreal rebounder. She's great
with angles, getting her hand on the ball, like I
think sometimes and I even like even mentioning, like, yes,
rebounding is an energy thing. I think Kim's teams have
always been great at that because she's great at prioritizing it.
But also there is just like a real level of

(34:48):
skill with rebound in the basketball, Like I think you
can literally say that about Tennessee to a degree. Like
part of it is like they're they switch a lot,
so it can invert your offense, I mean invert your defense.
And like you know, z Spearman's on the perimeter, like
the tallest players on the perimeter, so it makes it harder.
But also there's just an element of like you watch
these players like Camil Pierre with with Vanderbilt who's six

(35:10):
to Anissa who's like six foot six foot one with LSU,
and they're two of the best rebounders ever because they
just have incredible timing, awesome angles, like they see the
ball so well. So I just I wish that that's
that's my thing. I think energy is a part of rebounding,
but there's also a skill to it. I just I
had to point that out.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Absolutely. And also, like boxing out is not a natural
instinct for a lot of people, Like I feel like
I've I not like I thought it was just like, oh,
you know, you just do it before. But this team
has like struggled with boxing out so much, and I
do think, like to your point, like part of it,
you know, the way they play defense is you know,

(35:51):
part of that challenge of just making sure you're getting
you know, you're aware of what's going on and if
there's a shot going up, you're getting to the glass.
But some times this team just does not box out.
And I think there's a lot to be said for
players who have built up the discipline within themselves to
always box out or to be really consistent at boxing
out and do well at it, like and I think, yeah,

(36:14):
that's that's a part of it as well.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Absolutely well going to Texas, like you mentioned, oh wait, no,
let me just say though Mikayla Williams against Oklahoma was
like an out of body experience that final, Like that
closing was incredible. She was awesome in that game. So yeah,
point being, LSU has shown their metal. I think I'm
just interested to see how they handle things down the stretch.
Still very much in play for a number one seed
doing everything bracket wise, So interesting to see what they

(36:38):
can do because they do play Texas, I believe, Yeah
them in Texas match up, I yeah, which that'll be
a fun game because that, like I think the secason like,
are real. Oh wait, no, they don't play one another.
I'm sorry. I don't know why I keep Oh wait
they do. I'm sorry, I keep Jesus christ Man, Wow,

(36:59):
what kind it is? It's not I want to say,
it's late. It's seven to sixteen Eastern time. What am
I talking about? They play one another on February sixteenth.
I keep looking at the wrong web page. I'm so sorry.
That game will be really huge in deciding which team
gets the second one seat because I think this is
just my ankling, especially with USC losing to Iowa. Obviously

(37:23):
a lot of season left to be played. I think
that we see particularly, let's play like this. If South
Carolina beats Yukon on the sixteenth, I want to say,
we're pretty close to locking in having two number one
seeds for the SEC.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I think that, yeah, I can see that for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Because Yukon is in play. If they lose to SC
they're not gonna get one because you have to go
and take it. So point being that game between LSU
and Texas is one of the biggest games left in
the season. Fascinated by that. Speaking on Texas, though, I
think what's gone like sneakily under the radar. This had
a lot of depth and I've really enjoyed that because,

(38:03):
like you just were saying, I mean, even with Alla
Moore out who she's I love watching her play. Speaking
of Anissa, like incredible rebounder as well, great attacking the glass.
But you mentioned the freshmen like Jordan Lee. I loved
Jordan Lee just awesome, like three and D role player
who can come in and make an impact. KYLEO. Oldacre

(38:25):
has been awesome for this team, just as like a
deeper bench player behind Taylor Jones. Yeah, I like this
team a lot. I will. I'm not the as anybody
who knows me. I am not the biggest fan of
dribble drive motion offenses, but god damn the system works
and they have it built out so well. I'm fascinated

(38:49):
against you that game against LSU. I'm fascinated to watch
this team just down the stretch because they just like Tennessee,
have a kind of rough game against Missouri, but they've
they've chewed through a lot of the conference already. They
beat up on Maryland and granted, like I don't want
to discount, like Maryland had injuries, Sellers missed the majority

(39:10):
of that game that goes without saying, but they've taken
out Oklahoma, They've taken out Alabama, taken out Auburn, Tennessee,
Ole Miss. They play Vandy on the six, which that
will be an exciting game because just two very different styles.
But they go Vandy, South Carolina again, at Kentucky, and

(39:31):
then LSU, which is their toughest four game stretch of
the season in my opinion. So we're gonna learn a
lot about this team as well, which I guess we
can transition because the last team that I really want
to talk about is Kentucky. So Kentucky is in a
really interesting stretch nowt obviously coming off that that big
time winning Oklahoma Georgia amore forty three points. They've They've

(39:53):
played and beaten Kentucky convincingly. They beat Missippi State convincingly.
They had a really good win over I believe Alabama
was fully healthy in that game with Sarah Ashley Bark.
I think that was one of her first games back.
But they're about to take i OLL miss in Texas
back to back to extremely difficult opponents, and then they
closed the year LSU, Tennessee and then at South Carolina.

(40:13):
The team is nineteen and two right now, and they've
been I think that they've gone kind of under the
radar in a way, like and understandable. They lost by
to UNC pretty bad in Game eight for them, and
then they had an early trip up to Texas A
and M. But Texas A and M is like that
was at A and M. It was a excuse me.

(40:36):
It's a really difficult matchup for them in some ways.
And I don't know, I just think that there's a
chance that this team can like continue to put some
special stuff together down the rest of the year. What
have you thought of Kentucky so far in Kenny Kenny
Brooks's first year.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I will say I'm impressed, but I also did expect that,
Like I think I put them. I think I picked
them to finish fifth or six in the SEC because
I just knew with with Kenny Brooks coming and bringing
you know, Georgia Aymore his fifth year point guard. You
know Clara Strack, who you know is doing great things. Honestly,

(41:14):
Like I feel like she has had a really solid season.
I feel like those two pieces in particular were really important,
and if he hadn't brought them, I probably wouldn't have
been as high on them, but like knowing that he
had kind of like that security blanket coming with him
and knowing that their skills would you know, transfer to
the SEC, because I know, like some people were kind

(41:36):
of like skeptical of Georgia coming back for a fifth
year and going to play in the SEC after playing
the ACC. But I watched her cook Tennessee in the
Sweet sixteen in Seattle, Like, she is so good at
creating her shot, She is such great handles, She's a
great point. Like, I didn't really have a ton of
worry for her, except for maybe a few matchups where
you know, maybe South Carolina really gets after her, right,

(41:57):
I think I think they will and Texas will probably
make it really hard for her. But I was, like,
I felt pretty confident in her ability to kind of
keep up that scoring clip and be able to still
create her shot. So yeah, I think Tiana Ky has
been awesome for them. She was a huge transfer for
them coming in because she did she didn't play a
ton at UNC, and I feel like there was so
much potential there and she's been great. I think she

(42:18):
was so consistent and on nights where maybe there was
a couple of games where the other team had a
great post player kind of was able to contain Claire
a little bit, Like Tianni's still there, like putting up
almost a double double or a double double. So I
think she's huge for their success. And Dajiel Lawrence has
been great too, Like they just have a really balanced

(42:40):
lineup and Amelia has it Like I don't know, I
just feel like their production is often very balanced, or
like maybe do players take turns going off different games,
Like I think there's a lot there that could turn
into something special in March.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because, like you said, first off, you
know ball because I was not worried about Georgia at all,
and neither of you, but we felt like the only
two people in the world. Yeah, dude, I think it
was interesting because she definitely had some struggles in non conference,
but you could also point out like I think, to
me it was just a shooting slump, like you watch
so much. She and I talked to her at the

(43:14):
beginning of the year, like very clearly was trying to
do things differently and take things on as more of
a point guard and like really get elite at continue
to set people up, like she obviously did point guard
things the last couple years, was the point guard at
Virginia Tech. But so much of this season has been
about expanding, like Okay, being a more versatile downhill driver,

(43:37):
Like instead of just going right to the rim, she's
been way more patient and like worked on her pacing
and knowing, Okay, I'm five to six, I can't just
drive right to the room and lay the ball in
very often. Like I have to like really be tactical
in how I do things. And it took some time,
but like she's really gotten good at doing that stuff.
Like she's probably the best pocket passer for the country.

(43:58):
She's so good at working that player game. And I
think the difficult part is she's really the only ball
handler on this team. Like Dajiel Lawrence can do some stuff,
but she's really more of a combo guard, more of
a two and outside that, like they this is not
a deep team, Like that's just where this team is
at right now. Given Jordanobi being out, I think she
was going to be just really good at pen last year.
Is gonna be a big piece of this team. I

(44:20):
think Kenny didn't rule her out officially from coming back
that they're not trying to rush her, So it's been
a lot of I mean, yeah, Georgia plays close to
forty minutes most games, and they need her to be
at that level. But like you said, I think their size,
they just play. I mean they play with three players
sixty three or six four every single possession on the court,

(44:41):
essentially like tianni Key's six four, Amelia has to six
to three. Claria Strack six ' five, And they are
phenomenal protecting the paint. They're very good on the glass,
and they're just a tough matchup for a lot of teams.
I think they do a lot of things really interesting,
like part of like I'm excited to watch them against

(45:02):
SC because SC has like a lot of positional size,
but they're not a big team. Like Chloe kits is
their tallest player on court most of the time, and
she's six ' four. I'm just interested to see it,
and not like I don't think I would pick Kentucky
against SC right now, but I'm very fascinated to watch
that same thing with them as Texas. I think Texas
will actually probably be a harder matchup for Kentucky in

(45:24):
some ways, because like that's a lot of post experience.
Uh you think you think about the UNC game for
Kentucky and like Maria Maria Gachdang gave this trunk quar
a ton of problems. That was early on in the season,
so I'm hoping we've seen some growth since then. But
point being, Georgia Amore is really freaking good and she
has gotten demonstrably better this season while also only having

(45:47):
one teammate from last year. So I'm really enjoying the
Kentucky team, but I'm also really excited to like learn
a ton more about them in this coming month because
February is by far the as part of their schedule,
so a lot on the way. I do just want
to hit on a couple of freshmen really quick before
we get out of here, because obviously the freshmen across

(46:11):
the country have been amazing, but I think the SEC
freshmen have just like have really hit it out the
park for me. So not even like talking on a
National Freshman of the Year stage, but like, well, I mean, yeah,
this is okay, so it does Anational Freshman the Year stage.
Mikayla Blake's has been unreal at Vanderbilt. Just had the
fifty three piece game against Florida has helped this team

(46:35):
reach a spot where like this is probably gonna be
their first time hosting in the tournament. Well, there's a
chance for this to be the first time hosting in
the tournament since twenty twelve. Yeah, pretty good. What have
you thought of Mikayla?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
She's great, Like she is so like she came in
so college ready, Like her scoring ability is unbelievable, and
she just like like that offensive rebound and tip in
that she had to win the game against Tennessee. I
was like, most freshmen don't make that play, Like, most
freshmen don't make that play, and she just has that

(47:09):
like instinct and that that killer instinct to just turn
it on and get it done. I really I was
really impressed by because because to me, like I was
thinking about like the SEC Freshman of the Year race,
It's like, yeah, obviously she's she's got the number, she's
got a big role, like, but I was like, I
was curious to see what happened once SEC play got

(47:29):
going with Joyce Edwards too, because like it's just so
two different situations, right, like, and I think they both
do really good things in different ways. But I think
that the fifty three points like that kind of that
kind of tips of scales, and obviously there's a whole
month left, right, And like, I don't know, I'm interesting,
Like how do you see that race in terms, because

(47:51):
I think I don't think you cannot add in all
this extra context, right, because min kayleb Blakes is the
front runner, right, But it's so hard to like compare
when they have such different roles and like, if Joyce
Edwards like leads South Carolina scoring for the rest of
the month and like starts to score on a higher clip,
rebound a higher clip, and like leads them basically to

(48:14):
a regular she's a championship. How do you compare those
two things?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Dude? It's so tough because I was thinking about this
myself today and it's part of what makes me glad
that I'm not a voter in this because I don't know, Like,
I don't know how you compare that in some ways,
because like you said, Joyce has probably been South Carolina's
best player in a lot of SEC play, which is
saying something she's been unreal Like obviously she had some

(48:41):
like big freshman stuff she had to work through earlier
in the year, but you could still see the potential
flash through like all the time. She would just make
plays where it's like wow, and like, honestly, I think,
especially like you think early on in the year, it
was a lot of you would see her just make
this an incredible move and then okay, maybe you should
the layup or like just hit hit the rim. And now,

(49:03):
like as we've gotten deeper and deeper in a conference play,
it's like, no, I'm the best front course player in
the game, and like that's tough. Like there's just a
level of unguardability to her and she's I think sneakily
like she obviously made plays on defense, but I think
she's like started to learn some of the nuances of

(49:25):
how this team needs to play defense. I mean, it's
but exactly like you said, it's some one of the
things that has frustrated me a lot about not SC themselves,
but like the way that things get gauged around SC
and also other teams that play a more deliberate game.
Like as much as I love high possession teams that
play fast, you're you're gonna have higher numbers if you

(49:48):
play that, which like that goes without saying so like
this is not meant as like a diss to like Tennessee.
But Okay, if Talaysia Cooper was playing her same role
with sc her numbers don't look even close to the same.
Does that mean her impact is different? I don't think so.
But I think exactly what you're saying. That's that's the
difficult part because to me, I look at it and
this is not me saying that I have an answer.

(50:09):
But like, you know, Joyce is coming in and playing
alongside small Americans, and like we just said, I think
she has been arguably their best player throughout this SEC stretch.
But also there's the factor of like, Okay, well Mikayla,
it has been the best player on this Vanderbilt team.
Well I her and Camille, So like again, like there's

(50:29):
also an all American component there. But yeah, it's just like,
how do you weigh that? I don't know. I don't
I don't want to sound like offensitor. I don't really
blame people who lean either way. I think like Joyce,
you see the immediate impact and the potential. Mikayla you
see the immediate impact in the potential, and I think
both of them have some of them similar things. Like
you mentioned, just like their feel for the game and

(50:51):
ability to make plays that other people wouldn't see or
feel out because even like you watched that fifty three
point game from uh from Mikayla, and everything is just
like playing off of how she's defended. It's not forcing anything.
It's not a heater, like yeah, it's quote unquote a heater,
but like it's all shots she would take in a

(51:12):
regular game. And to me, that's almost what makes it
more impressive. And so I guess, like if I did
have to give like a final verdict, michaeleb Blake set
the SEC freshman scoring record, I don't know how to
top that, Like I do think like to me that
I mean, yeah, that should give an edge for right now,
Like that's that's just doing something that we don't see

(51:34):
done very often. Like and again scoring is everything. Mchail
has also been incredible in the defensive end. Yeah, I
don't know if that like fully answers your question, but
like that's how I've been trying to think about it.
Because again, very glad to not have to vote on it.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Name I think I think if without the fifty three
point game, it would be closer like it would be
you know, harder, but I think that almost makes it
kind of like, I mean, how can you not like
literally unless Joyce has like an insane game or like
the game that clinches on the title she goes for

(52:10):
like thirty and fifteen, like you know what I mean,
Because again, there's a lot of there's a lot of
the season left, and if you think about like a
player like Joyce, like if she is like their best
player and goes and leads them to a regular season championship,
then you're thinking, Okay, she's like a first team All
SEC selection potentially a SEC Player of the Year contender,

(52:32):
right if you're thinking about best team, best players, So like,
how is that also not like how you not freshman
the year if you're that So, I don't know, it's
really hard, and I am glad I don't have to
because also I looked at the advanced stats too, because
I was curious about Joyce's and like it does put
her like much more like similar numbers to Mikayla in
some ways too, So but I don't know, it is

(52:54):
hard because Mikayla is also so versatile, like she does
so much for them, like she's averaging three rounds, three
or three assists and two point four steals. Like, and
she's shooting seven three is a game and shooting thirty
three percent. So there's just a lot that she does that.
You're like, that's such a complete player in her impact
on every part of the game.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Like there's there's a lot to weigh there.
Can I tell you who I think is the most
underrated freshman in the country. Yes, it's Sira Chanu at
at Ole Miss. She is like, excuse my line, she's
fucking awesome. Like, I think she's an incredible man. Like

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we saw the first game against USC, I was like,
oh wow, I'm kind of interested in her. And since
then she's just been nuts. Do you know, Like she's
averaging I think almost forced steals a game right now.
It's like, granted, steels aren't everything, they don't fully mean
good defense, but like she just goes in plays a
role off of like she started every game in SEC play,

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has started the majority of the season now. After a
strong start of the year, averaging twelve points, three boards,
three assists, three point six steals in conference play and
shooting fifty two percent from the field. Thirty five percent
from three, like she's she's efficient. She lays like crazy,
a big reason that Ole Miss came back in that

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game against NC State. They ended up losing still, but
like they had a monster comeback after being down like
really low early. There's still a lot of stuff for
her to kind of figure out, Like she she gets
into a lot of charge situations because she goes so
hard at the rim. There's stuff to keep learning. Is
like you know, pacing with her with ball handling and stuff.
But she legitimately has been an all defense level player

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in the league already and somebody who I think should
warn't serious all conference uh ability, Like obviously Madison's got
Kennedy Todd Williams still to be the two best most
consistent players on this team. But Sira has just been
like to have her level of impact and the guard
as well as she's guarded. It's not just like so
like obviously she makes big plays off the ball and

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using her length, but her tenacity on defense is just
like wild. She is like crazy motor all the time,
always on top of who she's guarding. I thought she
guarded again in that NC State gum she guarded Sinaia
Rivers for some time. She guarded Aiah James for some time,
like an incredibly difficult team to guard against, particularly for

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how ole Miss wants to guard like playing one on one.
And I just again, I continue to be incredibly impressed
with her, like I want to continue to see what
her growth is going to be like because she is.
She's a future pro to me like she was. I
don't even think she was ESPN Top one hundred as
a recruit. And again, I love her game. I am

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excited to continue seeing more because she just does so
much on the court that I am extremely excited about.
You don't see players with her level of athletics in
defensive aptitude this early that often.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought her up because I remember
just like doing my SEC power rankings and non conference play,
and there was a game that they like it was
a good game that they won and she was huge
for them, and I was like, I think I even
wrote like you should be watching her, like she is
going to be great, and she's just kind of blossomed
throughout SEC play and I think just provides them with

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such a good you know, like you said, she's she's
really good in her role, and I think that's something
that that team needs and I'm really excited to see
what the future holds for her, for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Absolutely one last person I did just want to shout
out really quickly. Florida has had a little bit of
a tough season. I don't think that they're fully their
talent wise yet for where they want to be. But
Live mcguill is really freaking good, Like she's going to
have an awesome career. She's not just putting up fake
numbers like he's just legit and incredibly good. So the
freshman in this we could go on and on about

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all the freshmen shot out. Can I avoid who we
text about often? I love her game? But Core, is
there anything else you want to shout out for you
out here?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
No. I think it's gonna be really really interesting last
much of this season, and I think this March is
gonna be just absolutely chaos, and I'm so excited for it.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
That makes two of us. Core, I appreciate your time
to everyone listening and watching. Of course, keep up with
all things SEC women's basketball, all things Tennessee. Core does
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It is worthwhile. Enjoy the rest of your day.