January 12, 2025 • 25 mins
Jayden shares information and offers his opinion on the possible banning of TikTok.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to think about it with your host, Jaden Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good day, good day, and welcome to think about it
with Jaden Miller. I am your host, Jaden Miller. I
hope you all are having a fabulous day. Today is Sunday, Sunday,
January twelfth and.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Four.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I settle down here. I've got to remember that I've
got a photo session today, So had a wonderful one
yesterday and maternity session and now I've got one today.
So my life is always I'm always running, always doing something.
But anyway, before I go out and do this photo
session today, I just had to take a few minutes
(00:45):
to talk about this TikTok band that might be coming
up next week. All right, now, just when I get
to start liking a social media platform, they want to
take it away. And my question is why do they
want to take it away. I'll try to answer that
in the next couple of minutes. But TikTok has been
(01:07):
making its case before the Supreme Court, so yes, this
went all the way to the United.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
States Supreme Court. Lawmakers last April or May.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Came up with the bill to ban TikTok here in
the United States, and that always causes me problems when
lawmakers want to ban.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Something that most of us.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Consider a speech, And as a person that has taught
constitutional law, and as a person that really believes in
the Bill of Rights, those First and Amendments to the
United States Constitution, and as someone who also is a
big believer in the Founding Fathers. How frail and how
(01:55):
tragic and how human they were means some of them
could be, especially the people of color.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They were right. We should all have freedom of speech.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And it always makes me wonder when a government wants
to ban other people from freely expressing themselves. And so
on Friday, TikTok was making its case before the Supreme Court.
So what this is about is what some would say
(02:28):
national security. So there are concerns that the Chinese government
could gain access to sensitive user data through the app,
which is owned by the Chinese company by Dance. So
Congress passed legislation last spring that would ban the social
media platform unless it was sold to a government approved buyer.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Now the government has to approve who buys TikTok. The
government didn't have to approve we bought Facebook or Instagram
or Snap or any of these other ones.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So I don't know. I'm starting to wonder about this.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But President Biden, someone who I really really like, signed
the legislation into law last spring, giving by dance until
January nineteenth, and that is coming up to divest from TikTok.
So now, TikTok lost his first legal effort to overturn
the law back on December sixth of last year, when
(03:27):
a panel of three federal judges unanimously rejected TikTok's argument
that the law violated the First Amendment. And in my opinion,
it does violate the First Amendment. We have the right
to free speech, all right. So there's a chance that
President elects Donald J. Trump might try to rescue the app.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know who he is.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Some of us call him diaper Don and Mango Mussolini
or Cheeto Don. But TikTok has one hundred and seventy
We're not getting seventy million users.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
In the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So this law is supposed to go into effect a
day before his inauguration, all right, So let me give
you a little bit more details, because this is really
really serious, folks, all right, And sometimes I wonder why
some of these brain dead lawmakers. You know, we've got
so many other issues going on in the world. Inflation
(04:26):
is high, in housing prices and all of that, and
they tend to find themselves centered around TikTok. And I'll
try to remember to share with you my reasons why
I really think that they want to aband TikTok. But so,
lawmakers and regulators in the United States have lots of
(04:47):
concerns about TikTok and his parent company by Dance, because
they think that this company puts sensitive user data, for example,
like location in for into the hands of the Chinese government.
You know, I'm wondering starting to want who who would
I be more afraid of? Would I be more afraid
(05:09):
of the Chinese government, or would I be more afraid
of our own government when it comes to banning stuff?
But anyway, they have pointed to laws that a lot
of the Chinese government to secretly demand data from Chinese
companies and citizens for what intelligence gathering operations in here
we go. This has to do they say, with the
national security. Now, mind you, I really don't think that
(05:33):
the Chinese care about where most of us live. I
really don't. I think the Chinese have a whole lot
more to be concerned about than whether or not somebody
in buck Guy, Arizona, or Washington, DC, or Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
or my hometown in Chicago, you know what the latest
(05:55):
TikTok dance is, But maybe there's something I don't know. Okay,
So our lawmakers are worried that China could use TikTok's
content recommendations to fuel misinformation. And this is a concern
that escalated in the United States after the start of
the Israeli Hamas War and during the presidential election. Some
(06:18):
people say that TikTok has fueled the spread of anti Semitism.
I do not believe that TikTok has long denied such
allegations and has tried to distance itself from by Dance,
which is considered to be one of the world's most
highly valued startups. All Right, so now the question is
how would they ban TikTok. So are they going to
(06:40):
come into your house and tell you, hey, you know,
you can't watch it anymore or anything like that. Know,
what happen is is that they would take a ban
at app stores like those operated by Apple and Google.
And so the premise is if they distribute or update TikTok,
the federal government could impose civil penalties on them, and
(07:03):
then also for Internet hosting companies, they would also be
barred from helping to distribute or maintain TikTok. The push
to force a TikTok sale has generated speculation among potential buyers,
including a group of investors brought together by former Treasury
Secretary Stephen Munchkin, and then large corporations. And then there's
(07:29):
also a billionaire named Frank McCord who's also expressed interest
in purchasing TikTok.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So the selle or be.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Banned approach has raised concern among advocates for digital rights
that the United States may be undermining its role in
promoting an open and free Internet that is not controlled
by individual countries. So again, when with this band take effect,
it would take effect as soon as January nineteenth. January
nineteenth would be next week Sunday, all right, the Supreme
(08:02):
Court is hearing its arguments and in an effort to
try to resolve the case before that deadline. So there
is also this chance that byite dancing, TikTok could consider
a sale under the terms of love, which would give
TikTok several more months to operate in the United States.
(08:23):
And so Donald Trump's administration promises to save the app,
and so that presents a wild card. Now that's really
something Donald Trump wants to save TikTok. Initially he was
against TikTok though, all right, So let me get back
to you. So would TikTok be removed from your phone?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
As I've already mentioned, they would penalize internet hosting companies,
and they would penalize Apple.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And Google for distributing it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But without any you know, without any company being able
to distribute it or updated or anything, TikTok would just
probably degrade over time. All right, So what should you
do right now to protect data if you use TikTok.
So there are lots and lots of people that make
(09:12):
money off of TikTok, and then there are those of
us that just like a lab or two.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
From time to time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, So to protect your privacy on TikTok, you can
employ the same practices you use to protect yourself on
other social media platforms. That includes not giving apps permission
to have your access or to have access to your
location or context, which I do not do. All right,
can diaper, don oh the mango, Mussolini can cheeto, don
(09:42):
save TikTok. He's repeatedly signaled his support for the app
on the campaign trail. Well, of course, as you know,
he won last November, and he also filed a brief
in December urging the Supreme Court to pause the ban. Now,
back in twenty twenty, he wanted TikTok to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Be banned, and I wonder what happened? Why did he
change his mind?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, a spokesman for his team told The New York
Times that he will deliver on a plan to rescue
the app, but as usual, provide a few details about
how he.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Would do so.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It would take an Act of Congress to repeal the law,
and there are some experts that have speculated that mister
Trump could ask his new Attorney general to refrain from
enforcing it. All right, well, if you know anything about government,
you know we have three branches of government, the legislative branch,
the judicial branch, and the executive branch. Okay, let's see
(10:42):
if you guys remember any of this. What does the
legislative branch do? I'm waiting, I'm waiting. They make the laws,
and what does the executive branch do do you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Remember they enforced the laws?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And what does the judicial branch do interpret the law?
So if the Supreme Court decides, hey, we're gonna ban it, well,
then Donald Trump is a part of the what executive branch?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
He might just not enforce it. Wouldn't that be something?
All right? So here are three branches.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Of government are supposed to work together, and we already
have the president saying, you know what, hey, if the Supreme.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Court puts in a ban, I just may not enforce it.
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, what do you all think about this? This is
called think about it with Jaden Miller. Let me just
address a couple of things, because it's not just wanting
to ban TikTok because of national security concerns. But here
come the real reasons why some people want to ban it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Number one, Okay, some political candidates, especially back prior to
the election, felt as though they were getting the bad
straw that people were saying negative things about them, and
they are all the means and all of that stuff
about them on TikTok. Now, mind you, some of that
same stuff was on Facebook and some of it was
(12:16):
on Instagram as well. But for some reason or another
they want to target TikTok.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, guess what is free speech?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And you know what if you are so sensitive that
you're going to get upset because someone makes a meme
of you or someone makes a video of you, criticizing
you or making fun of you, hey, that's what they've
been doing since the beginning of this country, all right,
So that might be one reason.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Another is some people say that there is this.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Addictiveness factor, but TikTok does have a feature that tells
users to leave the application after sixty minutes. I mean,
you know, there are some people that are addicted and
like to watch. That's true, But you know, I mean
parents have a responsibility to restrict their children, and then
(13:05):
those of us that are adults. I mean, if I
want to watch TikTok videos for ten hours, I should
be able to. That's my business, not the governments. Misinformation,
that's another thing. TikTok claims it does not allow misinformation
as part of its community guidelines and actively works to
remove it. It also does not accept political ads. See now,
(13:26):
I have to admit, okay, there are sometimes that I
have gone on TikTok and I've seen some videos that
I did not like, and I actually submitted something to
their community guidelines and sometimes they'll remove it in but
they do at least look and investigate it. So, you know,
those people that are claiming that TikTok allows misinformation, now
(13:50):
they actually really strive to make sure that all is
good on their app. Another concern was children's safety. There
are many concerns over children abusing or misusing the application. However,
TikTok has different ux for users under thirteen. For example,
they cannot go viral and cannot use the private messaging feature.
(14:14):
All right, So there's that, and then there's this other
thing about mental health. Content that promotes eating disorders, tobacco use,
or suicide is a concern. However, TikTok, like most social
media companies, has a content moderation policy and aims to
remove all violating content.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
See again, this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Is where I just don't like these people that are
two faced.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And a lot of our legislatures, our lawmakers are really
too faced, okay, and they shouldn't be, but they are.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, if you're at least going to be too faced,
at least make one of them cute, you know, and
they're not doing that. All right, because look at the
world around us. All right, let's look at video games. Okay,
there are kids that sit and watch video games, play
video games all day, I mean all day, okay, don't
(15:13):
eat well, drink red Bull all day, you know. But
yet they're not trying to ban video games. Huh what
about that?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
When I was a kid, there were all kinds of
violent TV shows and they there still are, Okay. I
mean there's Netflix where you can watch all kinds of
gore and violence. Okay, but they're not trying to ban
Netflix or Prime Video or Hulu or ABC, CBS or NBC.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There's this thing about selling data. Gathering and selling data
that TikTok doesn't need to make a profit is a concern.
TikTok claims it does not sell data to data brokers.
And then there's this whole thing about data security. Data
links are a concern. Data links are a risk with
any online service. In common with social media, TikTok and
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other social media platforms use data access protocols to protect
and organize data into categories of sensitivity.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So now.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
President Biden banned the application, meaning TikTok on federal and
public sector employees phones, and TikTok is banned on state
employees phones in thirty two fifty states. There have been
several states that have also recently sued TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
The first date to.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Sue the company was Indiana on claims that the application
serves users and appropriate content and violates consumer protection laws
in its data collection practices. The state of Arkansas sued
TikTok ByteDance and Facebook's parent company, the Meta, overclaims that
the companies violate the deceptive trade practices at and Then.
(17:06):
Montana was the first United States state to pass legislation
banning TikTok on all personal devices.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
This bill was.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To go in to effect the last January twenty twenty four,
but a federal judge temporary blocked the band, saying it
likely violated the First Amendment.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The law would have prevented the app from operating within
the state Montana, and find app stores that hosted TikTok
within state lines up to ten thousand dollars per day.
There have been a number of universities that have also
banned the app on their networks. All right, I'm just
(17:49):
really concerned about this banning. It's not only the United
States that has or that wants to have a full
TikTok ban. There are other countries that either have partial
bands or have TikTok outright. So, for example, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Nepal,
(18:11):
and Somalia have total bands on TikTok, And then there
are other areas around the world that have partial bands.
So Australia has bands on devices issued by some individual
government agencies. So does Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France on professional
phones of civil servants, New Zealand on parliament members and
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lawmakers work devices, Norway on government work devices, Taiwan on
government devices, the UK on government devices, and of course
the United States on federal government devices and systems.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, what is it that is concerning them so much?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So? I guess my question is what type of data
does TikTok collect that some in our country believe that
China might be collecting to use against the government, maybe
against us.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, some data that TikTok uses is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How long a user stays on a page, if a
user shares a video, if they use your swipes away
from a video, if they use your comments on a video,
if a use your likes a video.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Don't that happen on YouTube? Though?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Uh? Basic login information such as name, age, phone number,
and email address, location data, IP address, and biometric data.
So I don't know, is this TikTok band? Do you
think that this is worthwhile? The reason why this is
(19:54):
a major concern for me is this, I'm already concerned
about out the changes in our governmental leadership, okay, And
that's mainly because of some of the comments that have
been stated, some of the policies that will be going
into effect pretty soon, and then also just the all
(20:18):
and out racism and threat to deport people, especially those
that are of a browner hue, out of the country
so that it can become what some wanted it to be,
and that is, you know, a white country.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And it concerns me because when I look.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Back in history as a history teacher, and I'm not
going way back in time, I'm just going to go
back to ninth to nineteen twenties, and there was an
individual who was convicted and sentenced to prison right after
World War One, and while he was in prison, he
(21:06):
spent some time, and he really was upset over the
fact that his country, Germany, lost World War One, and
he was able to target the blame specifically on a
couple of groups of individuals, and when he got out
(21:28):
of prison, he started an organization that was very, very small,
and a lot of people around his country laughed at
him and laughed at his organization and just felt that all,
you know what, that here he goes again, with all
that silly talk and all of this nonsense, and somehow
or another, this person who they would never ever would
(21:52):
have thought, especially with the criminal conviction, would be able
to move up in government. But lo and behold, he
becomes the chancellor in that country, and then finally the
all out ruler of that country.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And along the way up there.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Were things that were starting to be banned, like free
speech and freedom of religion.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And then there.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Were groups of people who for many, many years lived
aside or beside those same people in the country.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And then they were told that there were.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Certain jobs they could not have, and then their financial
situation was changed from maybe being good to being bad overnight,
and maybe shops and businesses that they owned were vandalized.
There was this whole issue of mass deportation of them,
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and in fact that was attempted, and when it didn't
work totally, they were put into what it's called ghettos, okay,
and all with this intent purpose of annihilating an entire
group of people, but not just those people, a whole
bunch of other ones too that didn't agree with what
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his philosophy was. And so that is my major concern
about this getting on this slippery slope of starting to
ban what our founding fathers that came here from Great
Britain and did not like the tyranny that King George
thrust upon them in Parliament and said that in this
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country that the people should have freedom of speech and
the freedom to express themselves. And when that can't happen,
that stifles It really stifles dialogue. It's stifles intelligence, it
stifles people's ability to be creative. And that is a
(24:09):
major concern of mine. And so I will leave you
with that.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I am really concerned about banning because today is TikTok?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
What will it be tomorrow? All Right? This is Jaden Miller.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
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Have a great day. Thank you for listening to Think
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good day, good day, and welcome to think about it
with Jaden Miller. I am your host, Jaden Miller. I
hope you all are having a fabulous day. Today is Sunday, Sunday,
January twelfth and.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Four.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I settle down here. I've got to remember that I've
got a photo session today, So had a wonderful one
yesterday and maternity session and now I've got one today.
So my life is always I'm always running, always doing something.
But anyway, before I go out and do this photo
session today, I just had to take a few minutes
(00:45):
to talk about this TikTok band that might be coming
up next week. All right, now, just when I get
to start liking a social media platform, they want to
take it away. And my question is why do they
want to take it away. I'll try to answer that
in the next couple of minutes. But TikTok has been
(01:07):
making its case before the Supreme Court, so yes, this
went all the way to the United.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
States Supreme Court. Lawmakers last April or May.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Came up with the bill to ban TikTok here in
the United States, and that always causes me problems when
lawmakers want to ban.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Something that most of us.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Consider a speech, And as a person that has taught
constitutional law, and as a person that really believes in
the Bill of Rights, those First and Amendments to the
United States Constitution, and as someone who also is a
big believer in the Founding Fathers. How frail and how
(01:55):
tragic and how human they were means some of them
could be, especially the people of color.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They were right. We should all have freedom of speech.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And it always makes me wonder when a government wants
to ban other people from freely expressing themselves. And so
on Friday, TikTok was making its case before the Supreme Court.
So what this is about is what some would say
(02:28):
national security. So there are concerns that the Chinese government
could gain access to sensitive user data through the app,
which is owned by the Chinese company by Dance. So
Congress passed legislation last spring that would ban the social
media platform unless it was sold to a government approved buyer.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Now the government has to approve who buys TikTok. The
government didn't have to approve we bought Facebook or Instagram
or Snap or any of these other ones.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So I don't know. I'm starting to wonder about this.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But President Biden, someone who I really really like, signed
the legislation into law last spring, giving by dance until
January nineteenth, and that is coming up to divest from TikTok.
So now, TikTok lost his first legal effort to overturn
the law back on December sixth of last year, when
(03:27):
a panel of three federal judges unanimously rejected TikTok's argument
that the law violated the First Amendment. And in my opinion,
it does violate the First Amendment. We have the right
to free speech, all right. So there's a chance that
President elects Donald J. Trump might try to rescue the app.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know who he is.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Some of us call him diaper Don and Mango Mussolini
or Cheeto Don. But TikTok has one hundred and seventy
We're not getting seventy million users.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
In the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So this law is supposed to go into effect a
day before his inauguration, all right, So let me give
you a little bit more details, because this is really
really serious, folks, all right, And sometimes I wonder why
some of these brain dead lawmakers. You know, we've got
so many other issues going on in the world. Inflation
(04:26):
is high, in housing prices and all of that, and
they tend to find themselves centered around TikTok. And I'll
try to remember to share with you my reasons why
I really think that they want to aband TikTok. But so,
lawmakers and regulators in the United States have lots of
(04:47):
concerns about TikTok and his parent company by Dance, because
they think that this company puts sensitive user data, for example,
like location in for into the hands of the Chinese government.
You know, I'm wondering starting to want who who would
I be more afraid of? Would I be more afraid
(05:09):
of the Chinese government, or would I be more afraid
of our own government when it comes to banning stuff?
But anyway, they have pointed to laws that a lot
of the Chinese government to secretly demand data from Chinese
companies and citizens for what intelligence gathering operations in here
we go. This has to do they say, with the
national security. Now, mind you, I really don't think that
(05:33):
the Chinese care about where most of us live. I
really don't. I think the Chinese have a whole lot
more to be concerned about than whether or not somebody
in buck Guy, Arizona, or Washington, DC, or Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
or my hometown in Chicago, you know what the latest
(05:55):
TikTok dance is, But maybe there's something I don't know. Okay,
So our lawmakers are worried that China could use TikTok's
content recommendations to fuel misinformation. And this is a concern
that escalated in the United States after the start of
the Israeli Hamas War and during the presidential election. Some
(06:18):
people say that TikTok has fueled the spread of anti Semitism.
I do not believe that TikTok has long denied such
allegations and has tried to distance itself from by Dance,
which is considered to be one of the world's most
highly valued startups. All Right, so now the question is
how would they ban TikTok. So are they going to
(06:40):
come into your house and tell you, hey, you know,
you can't watch it anymore or anything like that. Know,
what happen is is that they would take a ban
at app stores like those operated by Apple and Google.
And so the premise is if they distribute or update TikTok,
the federal government could impose civil penalties on them, and
(07:03):
then also for Internet hosting companies, they would also be
barred from helping to distribute or maintain TikTok. The push
to force a TikTok sale has generated speculation among potential buyers,
including a group of investors brought together by former Treasury
Secretary Stephen Munchkin, and then large corporations. And then there's
(07:29):
also a billionaire named Frank McCord who's also expressed interest
in purchasing TikTok.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So the selle or be.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Banned approach has raised concern among advocates for digital rights
that the United States may be undermining its role in
promoting an open and free Internet that is not controlled
by individual countries. So again, when with this band take effect,
it would take effect as soon as January nineteenth. January
nineteenth would be next week Sunday, all right, the Supreme
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Court is hearing its arguments and in an effort to
try to resolve the case before that deadline. So there
is also this chance that byite dancing, TikTok could consider
a sale under the terms of love, which would give
TikTok several more months to operate in the United States.
(08:23):
And so Donald Trump's administration promises to save the app,
and so that presents a wild card. Now that's really
something Donald Trump wants to save TikTok. Initially he was
against TikTok though, all right, So let me get back
to you. So would TikTok be removed from your phone?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
As I've already mentioned, they would penalize internet hosting companies,
and they would penalize Apple.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And Google for distributing it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But without any you know, without any company being able
to distribute it or updated or anything, TikTok would just
probably degrade over time. All right, So what should you
do right now to protect data if you use TikTok.
So there are lots and lots of people that make
(09:12):
money off of TikTok, and then there are those of
us that just like a lab or two.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
From time to time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, So to protect your privacy on TikTok, you can
employ the same practices you use to protect yourself on
other social media platforms. That includes not giving apps permission
to have your access or to have access to your
location or context, which I do not do. All right,
can diaper, don oh the mango, Mussolini can cheeto, don
(09:42):
save TikTok. He's repeatedly signaled his support for the app
on the campaign trail. Well, of course, as you know,
he won last November, and he also filed a brief
in December urging the Supreme Court to pause the ban. Now,
back in twenty twenty, he wanted TikTok to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Be banned, and I wonder what happened? Why did he
change his mind?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, a spokesman for his team told The New York
Times that he will deliver on a plan to rescue
the app, but as usual, provide a few details about
how he.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Would do so.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It would take an Act of Congress to repeal the law,
and there are some experts that have speculated that mister
Trump could ask his new Attorney general to refrain from
enforcing it. All right, well, if you know anything about government,
you know we have three branches of government, the legislative branch,
the judicial branch, and the executive branch. Okay, let's see
(10:42):
if you guys remember any of this. What does the
legislative branch do? I'm waiting, I'm waiting. They make the laws,
and what does the executive branch do do you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Remember they enforced the laws?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And what does the judicial branch do interpret the law?
So if the Supreme Court decides, hey, we're gonna ban it, well,
then Donald Trump is a part of the what executive branch?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
He might just not enforce it. Wouldn't that be something?
All right? So here are three branches.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Of government are supposed to work together, and we already
have the president saying, you know what, hey, if the Supreme.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Court puts in a ban, I just may not enforce it.
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, what do you all think about this? This is
called think about it with Jaden Miller. Let me just
address a couple of things, because it's not just wanting
to ban TikTok because of national security concerns. But here
come the real reasons why some people want to ban it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Number one, Okay, some political candidates, especially back prior to
the election, felt as though they were getting the bad
straw that people were saying negative things about them, and
they are all the means and all of that stuff
about them on TikTok. Now, mind you, some of that
same stuff was on Facebook and some of it was
(12:16):
on Instagram as well. But for some reason or another
they want to target TikTok.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, guess what is free speech?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And you know what if you are so sensitive that
you're going to get upset because someone makes a meme
of you or someone makes a video of you, criticizing
you or making fun of you, hey, that's what they've
been doing since the beginning of this country, all right,
So that might be one reason.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Another is some people say that there is this.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Addictiveness factor, but TikTok does have a feature that tells
users to leave the application after sixty minutes. I mean,
you know, there are some people that are addicted and
like to watch. That's true, But you know, I mean
parents have a responsibility to restrict their children, and then
(13:05):
those of us that are adults. I mean, if I
want to watch TikTok videos for ten hours, I should
be able to. That's my business, not the governments. Misinformation,
that's another thing. TikTok claims it does not allow misinformation
as part of its community guidelines and actively works to
remove it. It also does not accept political ads. See now,
(13:26):
I have to admit, okay, there are sometimes that I
have gone on TikTok and I've seen some videos that
I did not like, and I actually submitted something to
their community guidelines and sometimes they'll remove it in but
they do at least look and investigate it. So, you know,
those people that are claiming that TikTok allows misinformation, now
(13:50):
they actually really strive to make sure that all is
good on their app. Another concern was children's safety. There
are many concerns over children abusing or misusing the application. However,
TikTok has different ux for users under thirteen. For example,
they cannot go viral and cannot use the private messaging feature.
(14:14):
All right, So there's that, and then there's this other
thing about mental health. Content that promotes eating disorders, tobacco use,
or suicide is a concern. However, TikTok, like most social
media companies, has a content moderation policy and aims to
remove all violating content.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
See again, this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Is where I just don't like these people that are
two faced.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know, I really don't.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And a lot of our legislatures, our lawmakers are really
too faced, okay, and they shouldn't be, but they are.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, if you're at least going to be too faced,
at least make one of them cute, you know, and
they're not doing that. All right, because look at the
world around us. All right, let's look at video games. Okay,
there are kids that sit and watch video games, play
video games all day, I mean all day, okay, don't
(15:13):
eat well, drink red Bull all day, you know. But
yet they're not trying to ban video games. Huh what
about that?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
When I was a kid, there were all kinds of
violent TV shows and they there still are, Okay. I
mean there's Netflix where you can watch all kinds of
gore and violence. Okay, but they're not trying to ban
Netflix or Prime Video or Hulu or ABC, CBS or NBC.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There's this thing about selling data. Gathering and selling data
that TikTok doesn't need to make a profit is a concern.
TikTok claims it does not sell data to data brokers.
And then there's this whole thing about data security. Data
links are a concern. Data links are a risk with
any online service. In common with social media, TikTok and
(16:11):
other social media platforms use data access protocols to protect
and organize data into categories of sensitivity.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So now.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
President Biden banned the application, meaning TikTok on federal and
public sector employees phones, and TikTok is banned on state
employees phones in thirty two fifty states. There have been
several states that have also recently sued TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
The first date to.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Sue the company was Indiana on claims that the application
serves users and appropriate content and violates consumer protection laws
in its data collection practices. The state of Arkansas sued
TikTok ByteDance and Facebook's parent company, the Meta, overclaims that
the companies violate the deceptive trade practices at and Then.
(17:06):
Montana was the first United States state to pass legislation
banning TikTok on all personal devices.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
This bill was.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To go in to effect the last January twenty twenty four,
but a federal judge temporary blocked the band, saying it
likely violated the First Amendment.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The law would have prevented the app from operating within
the state Montana, and find app stores that hosted TikTok
within state lines up to ten thousand dollars per day.
There have been a number of universities that have also
banned the app on their networks. All right, I'm just
(17:49):
really concerned about this banning. It's not only the United
States that has or that wants to have a full
TikTok ban. There are other countries that either have partial
bands or have TikTok outright. So, for example, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Nepal,
(18:11):
and Somalia have total bands on TikTok, And then there
are other areas around the world that have partial bands.
So Australia has bands on devices issued by some individual
government agencies. So does Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France on professional
phones of civil servants, New Zealand on parliament members and
(18:34):
lawmakers work devices, Norway on government work devices, Taiwan on
government devices, the UK on government devices, and of course
the United States on federal government devices and systems.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, what is it that is concerning them so much?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So? I guess my question is what type of data
does TikTok collect that some in our country believe that
China might be collecting to use against the government, maybe
against us.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, some data that TikTok uses is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How long a user stays on a page, if a
user shares a video, if they use your swipes away
from a video, if they use your comments on a video,
if a use your likes a video.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Don't that happen on YouTube? Though?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Uh? Basic login information such as name, age, phone number,
and email address, location data, IP address, and biometric data.
So I don't know, is this TikTok band? Do you
think that this is worthwhile? The reason why this is
(19:54):
a major concern for me is this, I'm already concerned
about out the changes in our governmental leadership, okay, And
that's mainly because of some of the comments that have
been stated, some of the policies that will be going
into effect pretty soon, and then also just the all
(20:18):
and out racism and threat to deport people, especially those
that are of a browner hue, out of the country
so that it can become what some wanted it to be,
and that is, you know, a white country.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And it concerns me because when I look.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Back in history as a history teacher, and I'm not
going way back in time, I'm just going to go
back to ninth to nineteen twenties, and there was an
individual who was convicted and sentenced to prison right after
World War One, and while he was in prison, he
(21:06):
spent some time, and he really was upset over the
fact that his country, Germany, lost World War One, and
he was able to target the blame specifically on a
couple of groups of individuals, and when he got out
(21:28):
of prison, he started an organization that was very, very small,
and a lot of people around his country laughed at
him and laughed at his organization and just felt that all,
you know what, that here he goes again, with all
that silly talk and all of this nonsense, and somehow
or another, this person who they would never ever would
(21:52):
have thought, especially with the criminal conviction, would be able
to move up in government. But lo and behold, he
becomes the chancellor in that country, and then finally the
all out ruler of that country.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And along the way up there.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Were things that were starting to be banned, like free
speech and freedom of religion.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And then there.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Were groups of people who for many, many years lived
aside or beside those same people in the country.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And then they were told that there were.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Certain jobs they could not have, and then their financial
situation was changed from maybe being good to being bad overnight,
and maybe shops and businesses that they owned were vandalized.
There was this whole issue of mass deportation of them,
(23:00):
and in fact that was attempted, and when it didn't
work totally, they were put into what it's called ghettos, okay,
and all with this intent purpose of annihilating an entire
group of people, but not just those people, a whole
bunch of other ones too that didn't agree with what
(23:23):
his philosophy was. And so that is my major concern
about this getting on this slippery slope of starting to
ban what our founding fathers that came here from Great
Britain and did not like the tyranny that King George
thrust upon them in Parliament and said that in this
(23:46):
country that the people should have freedom of speech and
the freedom to express themselves. And when that can't happen,
that stifles It really stifles dialogue. It's stifles intelligence, it
stifles people's ability to be creative. And that is a
(24:09):
major concern of mine. And so I will leave you
with that.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I am really concerned about banning because today is TikTok?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
What will it be tomorrow? All Right? This is Jaden Miller.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Thank you guys for listening today. I hope you will
continue to turn into my podcast. Think about It with
Jaden Miller. Please like and share and subscribe on my
YouTube channel and like, comment, and follow on your favorite
podcast platform. Again, thank you guys for listening. I'll catch
(24:45):
up with you on my next episode, think About It
with Jaden Miller.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Have a great day. Thank you for listening to Think
About It with Jaden Miller.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
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