MLB Draft (the production) and Listener Questions

TTO reflects on the production of the first round of the 2019 MLB draft and takes several listener questions. We asked for questions and you delivered!

Episode Transcript

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To one. Howdy and welcome tothe Three Show Outcomes podcasts presented by Baseball
Perspectus. I'm your host Sean leftQuiz and joining me as always from suburb
Michigan, it's Ben Murphy. Ben. How are you doing? I'm doing
well? Ian? How are you? I'm doing great? Ben? Did
we or did we not? Justrecord an introduction that was in fact too
bad to air? It was twominutes of terrible podcasting. I know you

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would think, how could this anintroduction get screwed up that badly? Just
do you wait? But joining usas always from our nation's capital, it's
Jared Wise. Jared, how areyou doing? I'm doing great? Yeah?
No, that was really astonishing.So we're a little out of practice,
but we're catching up and we havea really exciting show for you today.

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I think we are going to bedoing a draft recap. We're going
to get right into it. Weare recording right after the MLB Draft,
and I just want to be clear, we are recapping the draft as the
way only we can do it.Um. After that we'll take some questions
and then um we'll get out ofhere. It should be a short one.
Um. But yeah, so wehave just finished watching the MLB Draft

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and the first round of the draft. The first round of the draft.
I'm sorry, not the whole thing. Um And well, I you know,
it's always uh, it is myfavorite day of the year. I
don't know how you feel of thebaseball calendar, which is the only calendar.
Yeah, the baseball calendar. Uis the real calendar. It is,
um, Jared, Well, howdo you feel about the MLB Draft?

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Fantastic? It was the best draftever. Yeah. So when when
I say that we are draft heads, I just want to be really explicit
about what is going on here.Yes, we are not fans of like
the MLB Draft in the sense oflike the players and like knowing who was

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on which team and who's going where. How could you be No, you
can go to other podcasts for thatadvice for sure, although actually you can
also come back next week for ourpodcast where we won't be doing that.
But this this podcast is going totalk about MLB Draft the production, which
is easily my favorite highlight of theyear, where about thirty to sixty UM

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production staffers, failed MLB players,current MLB players, XMLB players are stuffed
into a van. It's a caucuswith a bunch of awkward children and forced
to make television for three hours.It is, you know, because not

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everyone has watched the MLB draft,right, so I don't understand, right,
um, but I feel like ouraudience probably a lot of people have
watched the NFL Draft and are usingthat as like the barometer or maybe the
NBA draft. So imagine that,but like take all the production value out.

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Yeah, And it was like,if you can imagine a newscast,
like say just a broadcast news orwhatever, imagine that and then compared to
say, like high school television.Due, high schoolers are way better than
these MLB guys because I don't watchthe MLB draft. Yeah, And when
I first tuned in, one ofthe analysts dudes had a camera pointed at

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his face and he was looking likeliterally ninety degrees away and ninety degrees down
from the camera. It was likethere was something on his shoe that was
the thing he was supposed to bestaring at while he talked about players.
It's very how about like high schoolmovie from the two thousands version of the
announcements? Okay, yeah, exactly, I think, or right, if

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the NFL Draft was directed by likeTommy Wizzou. So you have you like
have it all. You have likepeople trapped in weird sub like rooms,
often like dungeons off in the corner. You have like kids who don't really
know what's going on, hosts whodon't really know what's going on. You

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have like clip reels that seem tobe brought in almost entirely randomly, like
perhaps by some like stochastic god whonone of us can really understand or follow.
But how did this draft stack upto other drafts? And again,
I want to be clear, we'renot talking about the players, that's next
week. I'm talking about the actualdraft itself. I think it was exactly

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the same as all them because itnever changes. That's true. They just
come back to the same room everyyear. It's the exact same. There's
there's no improvement whatsoever. I don'tunderstand they put zero effort into suping anything
up. Um, So I justwant to get into some specifics here.
So, uh, you know,let's go around and ask like, U,

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Ben, this is your first timewatching or perhaps one of your first
times watching. Yeah, I mighthave watched it like ten years ago.
Yeah, what was your favorite partof this year's draft. Um, in
the moments leading up to the firstpick, I was trying to explain to
my wife why I was watching,Sure, and so I had to explain

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that the Orioles had the first pickand that there was like a guy that
everybody sort of agreed was the playerthat they should take, and how we
were all pretty sure that they weren'tgoing to do that because it made sense
and why that was something that waslike infinitely amusing to us. And she
critically like forgot for a moment thatJared's an Orioles fan. Um. She

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of course knows Jared extremely well,but apparently somehow forgot the like one most
intrinsically true thing of Jared. Andso my favorite part of the draft was
the realization on her face when sherealized why it was funny that the Orioles
were not going to take the playerthat they should and then the relief on

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her face when she heard that Adthe rushman was in fact the guy that
they should take and they hadn't bungledit after all. Yeah, so she
felt happy for Jared in that moment. Right. So the thing that does
make this the best draft ever isthat the Orioles were on the hook,
and rumors were like swirling that theywere about to blow literally the first pick

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of a draft where we're about bert. You can't trade players, so they
had literally choice of everybody about toblow the first pick. Jared, what,
so, do you want to walkme through your feelings of the addly
Rushman pick? How that went?Sure? And I'll profess it by saying
so as I was I remember thislike very distinctly as I was walking back

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home, I was coming in throughthe door to my building, and I
realized that the like the two wordsthat announced tonight, the player that they
pick could like in a serious way, like seriously and meaningful way, more
than it should be, like changemy life over the next fifteen years.
So there's a lot writing on thisthing for me, at least personally.
I guess other people too. Idon't know um and just and like I

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mean, deep down, if youasked me, would I said, yeah,
they're probably taking out the Ruhman.But but I knew there was such
a good chance they weren't. Andso when when I heard his name announced,
there's just relief, I think wasa feeling that most of all that
I felt like, thank goodness,they didn't screw it up. Maybe maybe,
I mean the closest thing was backwhen they drafted Matt Weaders. That
was the closest thing that accom like. I guess I'm surprised there weren't more

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comps to Matt Weaders during the draft. It looks like we might have lost
ian Ian. Are you there withus to make jokes about comps between Elie
Ruschman and Matt Waders as college catchersthat the Orioles drafted and will failed to
develop into major leaguers and then goon to play somewhere else and be successful.

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I think he just made the jokefor him. Yeah, yeah,
I had too, because he's gone. We're only eight minutes in, Folks.
If you thought I was gonna drivethe train on the MLB draft coverage,
you were curtly mistaken. I haven'tlistened to you talk for twenty minutes
on the MLB JAST. So theother thing that I was thinking about mentioning
is that I was watching it onmy iPad on like the streaming through the

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browser or whatever, and I guessyou guys were watching on TV or had
like actually loaded up on time andso our group chats blowing up with you
guys reacting to the debacles and hilarityabout you know, like ten or fifteen
seconds before it actually happened on myiPad. So I knew exactly when to

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tune in because I would get somethingthere like Mickey Tuttleton with an exclamation mark,
and then I'd be like, oh, I wonder how like how is
Mickey Tebleton relevant to this? Likethis is great U. And then there's
Carlos Penia making a comp to MickeyTeleton with some guy with a level swing
plane or whatever. Um, youknow, there's like dozens of examples of

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that U. You know, interviewersasking the same question over and over,
etc. Sorry, I am backand thanks for covering. Um So,
I have a bunch of things thatwere really uh time I and we missed
you and uh filled all the draftcoverage. It's time to move on now.
It's a real shame. So Ihave I have a bunch of comments.

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Um So, first about the MickeyTetleton comps. So we have to
talk about the complict this year becausethe complict is my favorite part of the
MLB draft. So, oh,we've had a number of iterations of the
MLB Draft. We've been around fora bunch, um, and I would
say this is one of the bigbiggest changes in the MLB draft. A

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set up where a in nothing changesand nothing ever improves. But we did.
We did notice a big trend thisyear, I have to say,
which is somebody in the staff meetingat some point said you have to stop
comparing everybody to Willie Mays. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean in
past years there's this guy's gonna beWillie Mays, and I guess maybe if

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he doesn't quite make it till hemight turn out to just be Hankcaring,
right, and then it was goingto be first ballot Hall of Famer.
That was the only comp that wasavailable. Yeah, and then so off
the bat, the first player thatgot comped was a C. J.
Abrams, I think, and theygave two comps. The first one was

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Gerard Dyson and the second one wasBilly Hamilton. And then I went,
oh, because he's fast, becausethat's not good. But it turns out
they were just comping everybody. Wehad a Tommy Lastella comp we had a

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Mark Uslonic comp um, Mickey Tettletonum, are there any that I'm missing?
There were there were a bunch ofreally Patrick Mahomess, yes, did
you mentioned already famous baseball player PatrickMahomes who Bobby whit Junior was comped too.
Um And yeah, so somebody obviouslysaid in the staff meeting, like

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just realistic comps, and then theywent okay, gotcha, and then they
went like right past realistic and intolike depressing. I mean, like if
I could play Devil's advocate for asecond, I think so. The other
question that Christina asked me was likehow many of these guys make the majors

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and how likely are they to besuccessful? And like if they do make
the majors, especially you know,like the top end of the first round,
how long will it take them toget there? Um? And I
think comping new draftees to guys thathad a major league career at all is
in a way a compliment, Soit's not really that um depressing. No,

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that's great. Like again, ifI was if my expectations were set
normally and someone was like, sayLangeliers as the new Austin Hedges, I'd
be like, Okay, that soundscool. But again, we had come
from a world where everyone was beingcamped like Mickey Mantel, and then all
of a sudden, it's like AustinHedges. So I guess it's just I
didn't have my expectations set properly.Yeah. The reason is a good question

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though, like what is the purposeof a comment in terms of understanding who
a draft pick is? Is it? You know, the ceiling? Is
it? The median? Is it? You know, what's a reasonable thing.
I don't know what's most helpful there. Usually it is to find a
player of the same race size.Well, and that's the I mean that
gets back into the analysis of theMLB TV guys versus what we'd want to

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see. But yes, yeah,um so the MLB TV guys, So
we should talk about this. Sothe MLB set up has about three standard
packages. So one is going aroundthe table and Harold Reynolds and Dan O'Dowd
and this year Pat Casey, formerOregon State coach, give their opinions on
the player. And these opinions areyou want to say, worthless? Yeah,

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I mean almost beyond that, justlike incomprehensively just useless. This guy
can hit, he is a hitter. Oh that reminds me of the ones
like he's a hitter with power,but he's not a power hitter. It's
like what And the other one waslike this guy's got something special about him

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and then that is it. It'slike nothing to follow up about what that
something special might be just terrible.Yeah, So that's that's one package.
So then they throw to these producedpackages, which they really awkwardly introduced because
it's m will be draft and everything'sawkward where they're like, we have Billy
Hamilond, sorry, Billy Hamilton.We have Billy standing by, how dare

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you sir? Yeah, we haveBill Ripken standing by to give us some
insight into Bobby, which in yourBill And he's like clearly you know,
obviously on the beach somewhere, andthis produced package is like thanks, this
player sure is special. The thingI get it's to me about those packages

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is so there are like players putin the so like Mike Lowe puts in
the work and like all Lighter putsin the work. And then you have
like Eric Burns who is literally likeI saw this guy once you run,
or Bill Ripken, who in twotwo separate produced packages, went through the

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guys at bat and talked about howhe hit a lot of foul balls.
It was like a nine pitch atbed. He went, you know,
pitch by pitch, but fouled thatone off. Ye fouled that one off.
Yeah, look at this. Lookat the swing he found it off.
Look at this, Look at theswing he found Literally, this is
a produced package. This is likeus being spontaneous. He like, sat

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down. They could have edited itto any length, just left all the
foul balls in. It is inexplicable, what is happening on this show?
Um? But then there is athird So then they had a live look
this year of UM they got sotwo players. They had ken Garfe Junior

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to I believe it was it CJ. Abrahams to talk about um, No,
it was Hunter Bishop maybe, andhe was like, this guy's great.
And then they had Trevor Bauer andto break down a couple of pictures.
And I just want to say it, like I'm like, not like
the world's biggest hand of Trevor Bauer'spolitical opinions and like Twitter presents, but
like he was so much better,so good than everybody else on this.

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It was like why are all ofyou here? And it's like in five
seconds, within five seconds, like, oh no, thank you, Like
that was helpful, I get itright, He's like ninety three right now
you can see it as a goodturn, but it'll be able to pick
up velocity, really able to likethat. It was like a modern like
the way you would hear a persontalking about a player in a world where,

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um, you know, you hadall the time of the world to
let's say, produce a package andnot talk about foul balls or that you
knew a guy once, or tofilm a guy on your camera and hold
on if I have the phrase thisliterally came up in giant text. Filmed
on Kevin Millar's cell phone was onethat was the one bit of captioning that

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the entire night they took a bitof video and they said filmed on Kevin
Millar's cell phone, which again Ihaven't heard since the cloud, since the
hearing was called off. But likeyou just never want to see that man
um And you know, the players, so the players are always interesting too,

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because they're like each one like moreboring than the next as human beings.
Yes, you know they're eighteen yearold kids. Yeah, they're also
coached out of showing anything interesting.Right, Keep in mind that if these
guys were fascinating, they've been toldto spout cliches and been made to watch
the interview clip on Bull Durham twentytimes in a room. Well that's how

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you can tell they have good makeup. If they can't respond to a question,
then it's good to make up.Yeah, unless their lack of responding
to a question is getting so distractedby seeing themselves on TV that they failed
to speak any kind of English phrasewhatsoever, which, by the way,
they cut for time and then wentback too late. That interview with C.

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J. Abrams where he was notable to finish the sentence because he
was too busy looking at himself,which in fairness I also did right before
broadcasting here. So also seemed likehe was much more fun than everybody else.
Yeah, it was nice think somebodyseemed to be enjoying themselves. Yeah,
so you had like um Adlee Rushman, where I think one of the

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questions was like is your dad alive? Um? And then you know,
occasionally so there are a couple ofkids who they have each year. Um.
At the broadcast itself, so aboutfour or five high school kids.

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Usually, Um it is like superawkward because again you're in like a holding
and somewhere's a caucus New Jersey.Everyone is like fake cheering, but it's
like three hours in they were alltired, you know, the like each
scheam has a representative and that representativehas like I am in my third hour
at a card show face if youknow what that is, like like athletes

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stuck behind and auto draft line fortoo long face. Um, So nobody
wants to be there except the kids. It's the most exciting thing in their
lives. And the interviews there arejust uh like bonkers bad. I don't
know how to in this, butwho was There was one kid where I

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think the questions were like is yourfamily happy? You work so hard?
You work so hard? Is yourfamily happy? And is your family happy
that you work so hard? Yeah? And then is your family here?
And are you happy that your family'shere? And isn't it great that your
family's here? When you got drafted, you must be so happy? Which
is a real which is a realwinner. Um. But my favorite player

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of the draft is the New YorkMets new draft pick Brett Baty, who
I think we have to get intoso. So Brett Baty a twenty seven
year old high school or from fromLake Travis High School in Austin, Texas.
Um, he also pronounces his namewrong. You played baseball, it

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should be Batty. That's very fair. Um, but who pronounces his name
much better than Josh Young who I'mthat he knows how to pronounce his last
name? Honest, Yeah, it'sjob. Yes, I was pretty sure
he was like literally comp It mightjust be an explation point. I don't

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know, but Brett Baty so again, Um, he was very excited to
be there. He was drafted bythe Mets and he's in New Jersey.
Clearly, clearly a very nice kid, clearly doomed to failure. Just could
not be more marked for failure.Uh. You know, we were looking

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at the comps of like every nineteenand a half year old who has ever
been drafted. The last one waslike Blake Ron the referred who is currently
like dying on the White Sox.It is like a dismal history of of
failure. And they're like, thistime is different. So anyway, I

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think you were here. So whatis your your least favorite part about Brett?
Badies make up so they. Idon't know how this interview was.
They had this guy with too muchenergy and a weird jacket chair combination interviewing
him, and I was like,oh, man, so you're from Austin,
right, And he's like yeah.He's like, all right, well,
where do you like to go forbarbecue? And then this jerk squad
says and then interviewer guy is like, you mean like blacks or Franklin's what

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about them? He's like, no, Salt Lake is the place to go
for barbecue. Friends, let metell you, Salt Lake is not the
place to go for barbecue, justnot. I don't understand how someone from
Austin can say that. It blowsmy mind, Like I believe, I
firm believe people who were not alreadylost by this digression that last for twenty

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minutes, lost by this further digression. But the one percent of you who
is there that one guy may justbe us, you know, like that
is that is truly bad makeup rightthere. It's I mean, off the
charts bad makeup. That's probably don'tI don't know if it's worse than like
the pregame meals of like what wasit like, oh, because you know,

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every player has like a little bitof color. So it's like what
food do you eat before meals?And it's like the kids are like peanut
butter or jelly and dirt Like okay, cool, great, I mean to
be fairy to could go back tothe ways of the powdered donuts that it
was prospects to eat. So,yes, that was who eats something before

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game? Yeah, that was nota great sign for for the Orioles.
Now just a full bag, right, Yeah, that was okay, it's
a good lesson, um, butof everything, that might have been the
worst of all. Um. Sowe we ducked out before the second round,
so we really missed the parade ofpeople. Every team has a m.

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Every team, as I said,has a representative. So some of
the representatives included, um, whatis it, Brian Roberts, Lee Smith
for some team. I guess theclubs, right, Brian Roberts for the
Orioles, M. Jason Marquis forthe Braves. Under the he actually lives
close to scocus rule and no oneelse wants to do it. I don't

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know why anybody would do this,ye screen time, I guess I don't
know. Yeah, well, RandyJohnson was there and I was like,
why is Randy Johnson here? Heseems way too good for this. But
it turns out like they just gotan a plug for his photography site.
So you know, I don't mind, Like if you if you get that

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MLB Draft bump, you're golden.So the MLB Draft, I hope everyone
watches with us next year. Ijust want to like live coverage of this.
It is just it does not needto exist like, and yet it
does year after year nothing at all, And I just I guess for me

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and to be honest, like it'sa little sad for the sport, I
think, and now the draft isever going to compare to say the football
draft. There are many reasons whythat's not going to be the case,
right, and I can accept that. But if you look at the at
the football draft and even all thesome of the production value aside like baseball,
it's just it's so hokey. You'vegot this fake dugout, You've got
AstroTurf for Newzard reason, nobody wantsto be there. And you look at
the football draft, which is alwayslike somewhere fun, there's a crowd who's

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super into it, and there's somuch emotion like that when they do the
interviews of the players and the family, like everyone's like crying and happy.
It just it feels like it feelslike a more exciting place somewhere that you'd
want to be. And then youcompared to the baseball Jeff, where it
just it doesn't it just no oneis, even the people involved it aren't
particularly excited. But it's true whichwe originally which we originally pitched as a

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tagline for a podcast, but infairness, m yeah, it has right.
Everyone's like, I wish we coulddo more for the draft and it's
like have you seen it? Idon't know. Do you think they're aspiring

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to be like the NFL or NBAdrafts and they just don't. They just
don't have any sense for what thatis. Or do you think they're like
like are they missing them Mark becausethey're incompetent or are they just aiming completely
in the wrong direction? Yeah,I mean all of it. I think
they're satisfied with there because because Imean, it literally hasn't changed any meaningful
way. And however long we've beenwatching it, so someone somewhere has been

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like yep, no, this isgood. So I think they want to
replicate the drafting that they want tohave a draft on TV. But like
how baseball does it the right way, which means you know, no emotion.
Oh god yes. Also it's noknowledge, right like yeah, no,
I'm not saying it's right, it'sit's clearly wrong. And because the

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first round is like mostly college players, it's also like the whitest thing.
Oh it's world. Yeah, becauseit's right because all of the Latin American
players are obviously coming through the internationaldraft and usually college players are getting drafted
early. So it just oh mygod, it is. It does not
but you know it is not toleft these kids play of Okay, it

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is just right exactly. It islike um, baseball marketing in a nutshell,
So both amazing disastrous. If youlove training racks that are you know,
extremely slow moving, please watch itwith us next year. Okay,
on that note, speaking of slowmoving train racks, let's get this podcast

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onward. Um, So we gota lot of questions this week, so
many questions. I haven't turned itover the mailback captain yet, mailback Captain,
what do you think about all thosequestions? So? Many questions.
Thanks for turning it over to me. Yeah, I demanded we had a
podcast because we had so many toanswer. It's very exciting. So yeah,

(27:30):
let's let's get into The first onecomes from Tom who's asking it probably
not even to be answered on thepodcast, and it's about Hunter Dojer,
who is now injured, but Iwanted to bring it up because segueing from
the draft, we're gonna be talkingwith Tom about the draft and he actually
knows things about these guys, sothat's gonna be good. So the Tom

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is asking about because we talked aboutHunter Dojer last time and how he's putting
up those crazy video game numbers andthat's gonna last night. And Tom's question
was if Dozier is a Max MaxMunsey comp right now? Is that comparable
to a round four guy in themock draft? So I thought it was
interesting just in the concept of MaxMuncy because he's still not terrible and what

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we think Hunter Disor is going tobe. It is really really interesting.
Um, you know, I don'tknow, I feel like a lot of
I wouldn't call myself a saber attrition, but like a saber adjacent person has
really had to like reevaluate first principlesover the last a couple of years,

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as you know, like it lookslike not it looks like, you know,
gains are sticking much more than theyused to. I think that's just
a fact. I saw another studyon Tom Tango's website that kind of illustrated
that that people that gains are stickierthan losses at this point. And you

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know, so if somebody like HunterDozer is hitting out of his mind,
I would have said, you know, two years ago, Stone Fluke,
and now you know, it's notjust that there are more metrics, it's
that I think players are really justyou know, changing faster than the counter

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adjustments to them. So it's hardto say. I guess it just depends
on how much you believe that sortof thing, right, And yeah,
if one hundred dosers like Max Munseydefinitely returned higher than round four value right
now, he's a second baseman eligibleplayer who is hitting out of his mind.
It probably doesn't get quite the playof playing time you want, but

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he'd be a clear third or fourthrounder. And yeah, if I don't
think I would put hundred dosor thathigh, but um, yeah, someone
will take them there, I don'treally, I don't really have great analysis
other than baseball sure funny these days, huh. Yeah. No, But

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I think that's a fair point thatwith the ways that players can improve now,
there's a lot more ways other thanbeing a fluke to have a giant
leap like that. So I thinkit's an interesting point. Yeah, and
kind also to be perfectly clear,like I think Hunter Dozer is the next
months he was twenty nineteen. It'snot like there are that many other players
who have taken that sort of leapother than an air patron saint of gto

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opposite as Tommy Lastello. Yeah,but it's it's still not like super common.
But I trust, I definitely trustthose kind of stone flukes more than
I used to, especially if accompaniedby swing change, long shangle change,
higher exit lossit, you know,if the ventures behind it seem real.

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Yeah, definitely change in thinking.So yeah, it's really good analysis,
and that's why he'll be on nexttime. Yeah. So if you have
any questions about I don't know,guys who are twelve years old or younger,
please send them in any sort ofprospect types or guys who are just
taking in the draft Tom's good atthat, you have to have him on.

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Moving on, next question comes fromDarryl and Ben. I'll send this
year Rey first, unless you'd rathernot. Darryl is asking because he has
Brad handed Dylan betances and is gettinginquiries about trading them on a rebuilding team,
and he wants to know what wouldbe a fair return for these rare
leavers in sort of a general sense. Does it vary from league league?
How can you look at past tradesyou know what would be a good rule

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of thumb for trading these sorts ofplayers. Yeah, so I guess I'll
prefaces by saying that in every league, every year. I struggle with us,
even in a league like the onethat we share with Darryl Murphy where
there's a really long history of relieversbeing traded for draft pick swap upgrades.

(32:08):
I think there's two keys to doingthis well. The first is selling as
early as you can feel comfortable selling. And we talked about this a little
bit before, but I probably advocatefor selling earlier than most would. I
think most people sort of delute themselvesinto thinking they can compete more often than

(32:29):
they actually can. And if yousell early, you have a chance to
set the market and sort of makesure that you can drive the value of
your players in the direction that youwant. So that's the first thing is
sell early. The second thing isbe as public as you're comfortable being about
the fact that you're selling these relievers. So advertise that they're available to the

(32:51):
league, pretty open with people thatinquire about them, about how much inquiry
you're getting on each player, andyou know, without ever running into a
situation where you're directly trying to engagepeople in a bidding more make sure that
the players that a lot of ownersare interested in acquiring are you know,

(33:15):
getting that you're going to get goodvalue for them, and make sure that
the owners that are asking about themknow that other owners are asking about them,
so that when they come to youwith offers, they're not just going
to lowbau you. They're going togive you basically like their their best offer
that they can give you, andthen you'll have the advantage of being able
to take however many of those offersyou get and pick amongst the best of

(33:37):
them. The teams that end upselling second or third after you are going
to have the market already set andthey're going to be sort of vulnerable to
you know, whatever the best offerwas that you happen to choose from.
So you can really choose your owndestiny and sort of drive things in the
direction that's best for your team bydoing those two things. So sell early

(33:59):
and be public about it. Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting
that with you know, relief pitchersin scoresheet, in pretty much every league
that is anywhere near normal, theycan't be kept other than perhaps the league

(34:22):
one. So everyone knows that,so you're not really you know, in
that sense, trading relievers is abit like almost like a one year league,
or you're trading for picks, right, So you have no leverage in
that way. So, like yousaid, the only way to create leverage
is you know, between trading partners. So that's why I've noticed, you

(34:47):
know, I think Daryl is right, Like I think different leagues have almost
like different customs when it comes toexpected return for relief pitching that has been
set maybe years ago. Yeah,And if you're in a league where relief
pitchers are traded often, I thinkit's helpful to take some guidance from the

(35:08):
transaction history. You can navigate throughthat on the scores sheet league pages,
there's like a cascade of links atthe top of the page that one of
them will link you to basically likeprevious years league pages for that same league,
and you can look at the transactionresults in there if you want to.
It's time consuming, it's owneress,it's not user friendly, but it's

(35:30):
scoresheet. And if you know thatyour league has a lot of those kinds
of trades, you can sort ofuse that as a guideline. I still
think that you know, the twothings that I mentioned will help you get
the best deal that you can,regardless of whether the league has an established
practice or sort of a market forthose types of relievers that carries over from

(35:52):
year tier. Right, But onsome level, like the price that people
are willing to pay is the pricewhen it comes down to it. Yeah,
but you're gonna make sure you getthe best price by by doing that,
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. AndI think for the reason I'm inderston
wanting to get some sort of ruleof thumb, but it's it's so hard

(36:14):
to look. Even if you wereable to look at last year as players
traded, you'd want to know whatthe reliever's area was at the time of
trade, and how many of theteams were in contention. I think it's
just so hard to have even abaseline of what to expect. Yeah,
I mean, I think usually roundtwenty is a good anchor if nothing else

(36:36):
in the standard league, Like Ifeel like under twenty is like about right
for a pick or two or fora return, but you know your mileage
may vary widely. Cool. Okay, thanks for the question, Joe.
Next question comes from a Garson whohas an NL team in a private league

(36:59):
with public rules, who has aCody Bellinger but seems like he wants to
be rebuilding, has received an offerQuity Bellinger that thinks is good and wants
to structure similar offers to other teams. So the question true, I want
to read them all in detail becauseI think we could probably just do with

(37:20):
the first players, so all ofthem he's getting around fourteen back want is
structured around stand one, around Springer, one around Chris Davis, and I
guess Taylor Trammell. Would you beinterested in trading Cody Bellinger for any of
these and the second and third playersin the package even matter? Can I
chattel freda pod for Robincan. Yes, no, no, don't do this.

(37:45):
In no way should you trade CodyBellinger for lesser players. I would
say the one that appeals most tome of those three is this offer too,
which is George Springer plus Mackenzie orplus Luis Patino and around fourteen,
which is you know, George Springeralso hitting out of its mind and Core

(38:10):
Patino, I would you know,as strong low level pitching prospects, but
still low level pitching prospects, right, I don't know. I think,
as we've mentioned many times, it'sjust extremely extremely hard to go down the
value chain in the first round andstill feel like you're getting a good return,

(38:31):
and especially in the position that you'rein where you don't have to make
a trade right now. Again,like, I don't see why you should
do it unless you you're given anoffer that's so compelling that there's no choice.
I think I agree, And soBen, let me ask you this

(38:51):
way, from like sort of atheoretical respective, this seems tough tough to
me. Trading one, you know, highly established great star for someone who's
maybe like slightly less good and thensome prospects in a draft pick. It
just seems generally that structure is goingto be tough. Would it be at
least more conceivable if it were allhigh prospects in return, or alternatively,

(39:12):
maybe if there's a way I canthink of, like a Murphy we were
talking about, if they're weighted,where you Denrade a little bit in the
star, but then get a tonof depth, Like if you really need
a depth, and maybe there isden Grade a little bit a star,
but you got I don't know,let's to be crazy like seven or eight
guys that you could plug into yourlineup or your bench, whatever. It's
something like that more more conceivable asa trade. Yeah, maybe, I
guess it depends on the team.I think the other the other part of

(39:34):
what Rob said that I think isworth repeating that I don't think Ian said
explicitly, is that you know,a lot of these kinds of trades if
if you're coming away with the bestplayer, you're more likely to win the
trade in the long run. Anda lot of that has to do with
the fact that if it's a onefor four or something like that, the

(39:55):
even if even if the sum ofthe value of the or ends up being
more at the time of the tradethan the perceived value of the one that
one is going to be. Youknow, this singularly most valuable player in
the deal is more likely to carrytheir value going forward, especially in a

(40:15):
situation like this. Sorts Balinger right, Like it's different if it's a guy
that's thirty two or something. Theother thing that I think is at least
somewhat interesting about this trade, andI guess I was thinking more about offer
one specifically in this lens, isthat Balinger was really good in twenty seventeen,

(40:39):
and he was solid in twenty eighteen, but not like amazing, and
now he's like amazing, And eventhough he's talented, I don't think he's
really this amazing, And I'm notsure that any of these offers really price
him as being this amazing. Butit's definitely possible that you're in the time

(41:00):
window where you would sell high onBellinger, and I think the best offer
that you're going to get is probablytwo other star players that are, you
know, not as bright of starsas Bellinger is, And especially if your
team is looking to contend now,you could do it for depth, like

(41:22):
you were saying, Jared, butyou're very unlikely to get the prospects that
actually hit often enough that I thinklike that would be the way that I
would advocate to go. I wouldtry to find two above average to star
players on the other person's team thatare underperforming expectations that you want to gamble

(41:45):
on rebounding or coming back to meetexpectations in the future. If you're really
going to trade Bellinger or a playerlike that, I think that's that's the
best bet to do it. Istill probably wouldn't do it, but that's
where I would look for a goodopportunity to to feel good about the trade

(42:06):
in three years or whatever. Yeah, almost exactly what Ben said. I
like the I would almost say theconverse of what you were saying, Like,
rather than trade for like eight goodplayers, I would like the player
who I was thinking to trade CodyBalancher for, it would be like Juan
Soto. You know that just ayou know, you keep a lot of

(42:29):
the young potential one so to maybehaving a little bit worse of a season,
maybe a little less defense in thelong run, right, so maybe
not may not have quite as highthe ceiling, But I feel like that
you could actually potentially make a tradeif you have a decent second piece and

(42:50):
think, oh, this is somethingthat I could do, because, as
you also said, you know,I think there are ways in which it
makes sense to trade Balancher right now. You know, he has kind of
strikeout rate. Like I was sayingin the answered last question, these changes
seem to be realer than they everwere before, and he's certainly on a
team that is excellent at hit ordevelopment. But um, you know,

(43:15):
I think it's something we have exploredwith our with our star level talent.
Like whenever we do try to makethe trade, I think we are trying
to get a nearer star back evenand even then I feel like we accept
like a little bit of loss ora little bit of leakage. Cool.

(43:38):
Um, let's move on to thenext question then, sure, next comes
from Steve, who's asking about twoof his teams and whether he should start
playing for next year and if so, what to start trading. So the
first is an AO league, whichhe listens five six, but we're pretty
confidence at five. O nine thinksjust some crack sleuthing Bian Goodjebian um so

(44:01):
based on five not existing asily.So the AL team is currently in fourth
in their Vision six teams back,um, although he says three weeks ago
is in first place and I'm stilldebating the relevancy of that statement. But
with the negative run differential, he'sbeen suffering some injuries, but he does

(44:22):
a Dallas Kiko coming back. Sohe seems to believe that the team has
mostly been smoking mirrors the first twomonths. Would you all agree? If
not, you know, how shouldyou start winning? Pushing to win?
And if you do think it's beensmoking mirrors, what would you try trading
away first? Right? And Ithink what the last few weeks have proven

(44:45):
is that that's absolutely the case.You know, I think his instincts were
right on Um, I'm sorry,L five or nine had the right team.
I guess I don't know if that'sthe case. One. Well,
while you doing that, Ben,let me add something like Kaikal, who
is just coming back at some point. Theoretically, what would you is that

(45:09):
someone you would trade away is arebuilder or not? So are you're gonna
have to fill me in his kaiksigned. Now there's a theory that he
is going to sign this week.The draft is over. Gotcha? Sorry
that dog's barking, but I meanhe might not be. I guess there's
no we know for certain. Itjust seems like pretty much has to be
to be crazy if you weren't.Yeah, I mean, there's no way

(45:34):
to price Kaiko here. But Ithink it probably doesn't matter. I mean,
I I guess I've said this before, and I'm not sure it's always
going to be true. But myhunch is that anytime you have to ask
somebody if it's time to give up, it's really just because secretly inside you
you know it's time to give up, and you just don't want to admit

(45:57):
it without somebody telling you, yeah, it's time to give up. Both
of these teams that he wrote inabout I think fit that description. And
maybe that also is just because forme, at least, like the bar
to buy in a specific season oryou know, go in to try to
win in a specific season, it'spretty high. Just making the playoffs isn't

(46:22):
really something that you know, like, I feel like your bar should be
like if you didn't do anything,you would be like at least sixty five
seventy percent chance of making the playoffs, and so then you you would sell
at like less than fifty percent chanceof making the playoffs and you would like
buy aggressively if you're probably gonna makethe playoffs and you want to try to

(46:45):
increase your chances of winning the championshipas much as possible. Yeah so in
this case, um so this isa L five night and I will stick
with that. But I do thinkit was this was a team destined to
probably struggle, and you know,as the last few weeks have proven,

(47:07):
I guess the question I would askis like, is this a championship corps?
Right? Like, what are youbuilding towards? It's interesting. I
think it's not a bad core.I think if you look up the middle,
you have Josel Tuve who might beexiting a prime, Yadi Diaz,

(47:29):
who is again another of these likeweird pop up players who I kind of
believe in, and Xander Bogart's whois kind of end prime. I don't
know that there's a lot around thatthat I see as like really fit for
the future. And I think youcould probably do a lot of trimming to

(47:52):
kind of just again like pack thebest thirteen players you can and you know,
maybe move players in their thirties whoare having good seasons moved to the
Carlos cent Town to move Tommy fam. I know that's not like a shocking
thing, but I guess the questionis like, is this team set up
to compete next year? And Idon't, on first blush feel that from

(48:15):
this team, and therefore I mightbe a little more aggressive. And do
you think now or soon will bethe best time to try to trade out
to day? It kind of hurtsbecause we haven't in a lot of leagues.
I don't think now is a greattime, just because you know,
it's like literally now he's coming offan injury. Literally now you know his

(48:37):
numbers have been receiving a little bit. I'd like to get more of local
maximum and I'm willing to take arisk, especially in our leagues where he
will help us towards a championship.But yes, I think we're getting there.
Cool, Joe, did you wantto explore the other team? Yeah,

(48:59):
let's do the real quickly, justto move this along. Me go
to Team NL three forty two,who's in third place in the division,
four games back with the record aroundfive hundred and around differential that seems to
support there right now. So againhe's wondering to his upside and if he
should get the team in the playoffs. And I guess if I were to
base the question one person like Ishould do last time, I'd say someone

(49:22):
like Chris Paddock, who we believeto be getting's limited and maybe shut down.
Or the question is how much ishe going to pitch later in the
year, and how does that influenceyour decision. It's a really great question,
right, Like I feel like somany you're just seeing this more and

(49:43):
more with young pitchers and no contendingteams. It's almost a recipe like they
are going down in September no matterwhat. And then you just have a
lot of young players who are kindof regular season players in the scoresheet world.
Um, you know, I believein Chris Paddocks so hard that I
would feel find it really hard totrade him for value anyway, So it's

(50:07):
kind of an academic thing. Yeah, I wouldn't trade him. But in
the sense of if you're worried aboutyour team be competitive, you have a
guy like Paddock who you're worried abouthis innings, right, and innings in
the playoffs, right, is thateven more evidence to suggest maybe this isn't
your year. Um, just becausethe feeling is once you get there,

(50:28):
you're going to be drawing dead onsomewhat that Yeah, he's like if he's
your ice, Yeah yeah, Um, I mean it's tricky. I feel
like a lot of teams may facesimilar or similar issues, just because I
feel like, like I said September, starts have become more and more strange
over the last few years for everybody. So you might not be the only

(50:51):
team facing that. But um,in this particular case, I like his
team better than that. I feellike there's enough coming back that I would
I would be willing to risk it. But yeah, more generally, I
don't know. I feel like ifsomebody is like really aggressive, I feel

(51:14):
like there is some arbitrage to bemade from like moving these players or like
you know, UM, buying upperlevel prospect pitching prospects and then just flogging
them in July, or more establishedstarters and just started doing that. But
I don't that's a little more mercenarythan I can be in this case too.

(51:40):
So are you saying go for itor and play for next year?
I would say I would say togo for it and just realize you might
not have the best shot in thisparticular case. Probably in general, this
is why we own teams together sothat I can say, yeah, that's
a bad idea, I guess.I mean, it's less of us.

(52:04):
I think there's I think there's realvalue to holding onto the players that make
you happy, right, and solike you're talking about Paddock, I think
like you want to look forward tonext year and be excited about the team,
and ideally also be happy about thisyear obviously, but I wouldn't trade
any player that you're gonna be sadthat you traded. But outside of that,

(52:29):
I don't think it makes sense totry to squeak your way into the
playoffs and sort of hope for alucky Dice role. But that's my preference,
I guess. I think I justthink once you're the Diace cast a
little btle bit there, so sometimesthey are worst fates or you may want

(52:51):
to, like they think about gettingaggressive around the margins and just buying the
Scott the Josh Johnson's of the world. Yeah, I mean, I guess
if you're gonna go for it,I would say you probably want to trade
next year's draft picks to do it. Yeah, but you're basically gonna have

(53:15):
to judge chances next year against chancesthis year. Either way, it's just
much easier to trade draft picks becausepeople like how it feels to acquire draft
picks. It's like, oh,I have this like choose your own destiny
sort of thing, and it alsosort of mitigates the long run impact that

(53:37):
you're facing. So anyway, Idon't know if that's super helpful. I
would sell on both of these teamsif we're voting on it. Okay,
cool, all right, there's beenone of the last questions, and again
thanks to your questions scores she didat Baseball Perspectives dot com. Last question
comes from Rob who's in first placein his league for now um uh to

(54:02):
be l twenty four league with fiverookies that you can keep with late slots.
He is worried about Carlos Korea andJoey Yellow going down, and so
in this trade he would be gettingum uh, did Gregorius and Herald of
Para, who he says is almostnothing, but he's betting like fifth for
the Nats or something, and trading. I looked at it. I looked

(54:27):
at these pronunciations, but then Iforgot Tyler Malle Molly, Tyler Malle Malle,
I was close. I thought itwas like Tico bry And And I've
heard this pronounce a million of ways. Tell me to pronounce Louie Robert's name.
Yeah, he nailed it, reallyYeah, no, Louis Robert Robert.
Okay, sure, it's it's sodepressing. It's just I don't understand

(54:57):
why. Um they there is apicture for the Marlins whose name is George
Guzman and George is spelled j ORG what and I will never ever that
seems tough, Just so you allknow, um less. Uh So Louise

(55:20):
Robert, which is a thing.Uh is just so for anyone who hasn't
followed the White Sox closely, isas of today hitting three twenty five,
three sixty nine, five sixty onein double A, coming off eighty off
beats and single A where he hadan on base percentage of five twelve,
slugging nine twenty. I think thoseare good numbers. Yeah, yeah,

(55:45):
the first good thing to happen tothe White Sox in fourteen years. Um.
I have it checked in fact checkthat, but it seems right to
me. Um yeah, that's it. I think he's probably at maxable value.
And I really liked d Gregorious,So I would kind of do it,

(56:07):
I guess. Sorry, I wouldfeel really bad when Louis Roberts turns
into like a star, but ityou know, I think there's a chance
it's the best two hundred beats ofhis life. I don't know. Um,
I don't know if I would doit in real life because I would
probably grow too attached to the prospect, which I think is probably experienced as

(56:30):
well. But as an external observer, yeah, it makes sense to me.
You're in first place, go fora step on the neck. Maybe
you want to maybe you want tosee DD come back for a week or
two and just see how he isum and if he if he struggles,
Like if he struggles for the firsttwo weeks, he might be able to

(56:52):
get him at like bargain basement pricesbecause everyone, oh god, he's hurt.
So you know, that's why Ikind of like training players as they
come back. So I would tryto trade data Gregorious this week. I
might wait two weeks to like buyhim just to see if he has like
a one fifty batting average after twoweeks and like try to get him cheaper

(57:13):
then. But I would probably dothis in the end I don't want to
dismiss Tyler Malley too. He's likean actual starter who I think is a
keeper. So it's a lot.But I do like data Gregorious. Um,
so cool. Yeah, all right, it's quite the mailbag. Yeah,

(57:37):
that was a lot. It's great. We asked and you answered me
into my life. Yeah and againany any prospect and draft questions get answered
next week. The only question wewant answer is why did you start with
a twenty minute analysis of the MLBdraft? That's not fude and asked of
the MLB draft itself? That questionnot answered Nope, but everything else it

(58:04):
was thirty minutes. But next week, Tom, I'll tell you about all
the players, so you gonna behappy you tuned in. I like always
teasing. Next week's podcast is beingbetter than this one. It makes me
feel it's one of the only waysto keep doing this. One day we

(58:24):
can definitely we can definitely do betterthan that. We can definitely do better
than that. But thanks for BarryBus. Until then, Ben, what
is the best thing you saw tosay? Um, there are a lot
of good candidates this week, butI'm gonna be somewhat self indulgent and say
that the best thing I saw thisweek was my name on the paperwork I

(58:46):
guess for a new Tesla Tesla MOLLthree and took delivery this past week.
Um, I'll give you this shortversion of the story. So I had
debated about ordering one for quite awhile and sort of gone back and forth
with my wife and done all ofthe necessary financial planning types of things,

(59:07):
and sort of came to the conclusionthat it was something that I wanted to
do. And so there's a crazylaw in Michigan where you can't actually buy
a Tesla in Michigan because you canonly buy cars from dealerships and that's not
how Tesla sells them. So youtechnically have to buy a Tesla in Ohio.
And that basically just means you goon the website and you ordered on

(59:29):
the website, and then you havethe option of either going to pick it
up in Ohio or having it deliveredto you. Well, it's faster if
you go pick it up. Sothat's what I opted for, and I
filled out the form, like sentin the configuration, put in my like
deposit that says yes, I'm veryserious about actually buying this car. Late
April, and online it said itwas going to be like two weeks until

(59:53):
I took delivery of the car,which is like really fast, and I
had talked to some people and theywere like, yeah, yeah, that's
probably a little you know, aggressive, It'll probably be more like four weeks
or something like that. So afterI don't know three and a half four
weeks had gone by, I calledTesla and was like, hey, can
you just like give me an update, and they're like, no, we
can't. The cars are apparently notmade to order. Well they are,

(01:00:17):
but like instead of having the listof what people ordered and using that to
drive what actually gets created in thefactory, they just sort of create random
combinations of things and then match themup to the orders that people had put
in, which is a very weirdway of doing this. It's not how
they do the other models. That'sapparently only how they do Model three.

(01:00:38):
But like the S and the X, they're made to order, so like
when you put it in, theycan actually tell you when it's going to
come. But they did say likethey do work really hard to satisfy orders
by the end of each quarter becauseit helps the financial statements and investors like
to hear that kind of thing,so I was pretty confident I get up
at the end of June, whichwas the thing that matter to me because

(01:01:00):
that's when the text credit goes down, and that's part of why I decided
to buy it now. So anyway, smash cut to having three weekends in
a row where I had plans,and I happened to be in Austin,
Texas for USA Ultimate College Championships,which would have been the best thing that
I saw otherwise because the women's finalwas a fantastic game, actually, even

(01:01:22):
for people that I think aren't Ultimatefans, so it's definitely worth checking out.
But I was down there and gotthe calls like, oh, hey,
like your car is gonna be comingin. Let's figure out when you
can come, and they're like,can you come next weekend? I was
like, no, I can't,but I could come during the week and
they're like, okay. So Imade plans to go actually tomorrow to pick
it up. Spoiler, I'm notgoing to pick it up tomorrow. It's

(01:01:45):
in the garage already, and solast week they called me so like that's
part of making the appointment to gopick it up. Driving to Cleveland one
way, you know, like,I need a rental car that goes one
way, which is not like superdifficult to set up, but it's non
trivial, and you know, ithas some expense associated with it, one

(01:02:06):
hundred bucks hundred fifty bucks a nightthen. And I was getting ready to
cook dinner last week on Wednesday andthey called me from the dealership and they
were like, hey, your carcame in a little bit early. Do
you want to come get it?And I was like, well, yeah,
I do, but I live inMichigan, so it's not like I
can just stop in tomorrow. Andthey're like, oh, well, you

(01:02:30):
know, like how long is itdrive? And I was like, you
know, three hours or something likethat. And they're like, oh,
okay, how are you going toget here? I was like, well,
you know, I had made anappointment next week to come and get
it, so I had a rentalcar for next week. And they're like,
oh, you need a rental car. Okay, we'll get you a
rental car. And so I'm likewhy I'm on the phone with them,
I got an email from Enterprise It'slike here's your rental car. And I

(01:02:50):
was like oh wow, okay,like let me make sure I don't have
anything for work that I'm gonna miss, and fortunately the timing worked out that
I didn't. So, you know, the next morning, I go into
Enterprise and the like, yep,here's your rental car. So I like
drove this like Subaru station wagon downto Cleveland. And when I got there,
it was you know, like allof twenty minutes of like filling out

(01:03:12):
some paperwork and then sitting and youknow, the person was explaining to me,
like how do you use the touchscreen? All that kind of stuff,
and then just sort of drove back. I also happened to leave my raincoat
in the rental car parked in theTesla parking lot, and like realized it
when I was halfway back to homeand it started pouring down rain. I
was like, where's my raincoat?And I was like, oh, garbo,

(01:03:36):
I freaking left the raincoat in therental car. So I called them
up and they're like, oh,yeah, that's no problem, we'll just
ship it to you. And Iwas like, oh, wow, that's
that's nice. They were very helpful, very pleasant, I think overall,
other than not knowing what to expectuntil it was time to expect it,
everything was awesome, and so farit's been a blast. Actually drove it

(01:03:59):
to Chica. I'll go over theweekend, which was why I couldn't go
pick it up ahead of plans togo to Chicago this past weekend. So
it was a lot of fun.It's already the most enjoyable car that I've
owned, and based on everything thateverybody says, everybody that has one loves
one. So I'm excited for drivingit for a long time and having it

(01:04:19):
also be the car that I lovethe most. Wow. Yeah, it
was great. Yeah, so okay, ahead, And the best thing you
saw it with your name on thepaperwork, it was in the car,
Like the car is awesome. Idon't know what the right way to describe,
like the best thing about that,like the thing that I saw.

(01:04:40):
I can say that the first timethat I like saw the thing line up
and was like welcome then or whatever, like because it knows who you are
and anyway, Yeah, it's curiouslyrelate racing. Welcome to Elon. No.
Technology is really cool. It's reallycool if you haven't like, if

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you don't know about them, there'sall kinds of great videos on YouTube and
stuff, but it's really fascinating,and it's like, I guess I got.
One of the reasons I find itreally compelling is because it's a car
that's really fun to drive, butalso you feel good about driving it because
it's as good as we can dofor the environment right now, and that's
something that I feel good about also, So it's a great combination of those

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things. So it's really awesome.So just do you think, um one,
I I heard the story and Ithink I think the story makes a
lot of sense. But part ofme wishes that the same way, Like

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you know, Kansas is a fireworkstate that there was like a Tesla dealership
like right at the border on Toledojust have like Michiganders like yeah, you
sit down over the border to belike, oh God, we gotta get
me a Tesla. I have toimagine that they haven't missed out on any
sales because of that, But itwould definitely be more compelling if it were

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closer to Michigan. Yeah, it'salso a weird, crazy loss, like
if you're not sure what's going onin Michigan, just thinking like, well,
how does it make money for theauto companies? Like the big three
auto companies Oh sorry, I'm justgonna say but before we transition over to
the next person's best thing, Iwant to underscore that like that women's game

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at the College Championships this year waslike really amazing. So definitely heartily recommend
that. You've heard me talk aboutCollege Frisbee on here before. So I
won't go on, but it'll beup online if you just searched for like
Division one Women's College Ultimate something likethat. So like the Champions League final,

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bit good. I guess I didn'twatch the Champions League final, but
you're better off for I can tellyou that this game was really compelled.
So okay, um, that's reallyexciting. Yeah, and so the only
other thing I was gonna say isum Tesla field Ford to sponsor usum.

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Same for enterprise around a car.To be perfectly candid, we'll take it.
I'll even just take the raincoat.I don't need the car just so
that's exciting. Uh. So,Jerry, what's what's the best thing he
sawt this way? Yeah, Ihad a friend Dave, across the country
and the Tesla recently he said itwas great. Yeah, it's fun,
uh do to do business. Sothis timing is real weird for this because

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obviously this thing I saw as atthe Rutchman getting drafted number one overall by
the baltimoreals Um. But we justtalked about that and then I can't lie.
Like the best things that was likeone of my friends had been going
through some like mental stuff and Isaw him over the weekend. He was
doing great. It's like, that'sreally you know. The best thing I
saw some particularly interesting. I hadsome stuff David from like two weeks ago.
Yeah, I'm gonna do the samething. So yeah, it's not

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really last week, but that's fine. So I was at a wedding.
This is what was. It wasa couple weeks ago. I was at
a wedding, so do things findit real quick? So it was at
this beautiful country club golf course.Second best wedding up into on a golf
course, and we were at theWe sat down for them for the ceremony,

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and they handed at a program withlike the seven things that were going
to happen during the ceremony, andone of my friends is like, all
right, so like you know,Jared, what's the line? How long
it's going to be? And I'mlike all right, So now we're gambling
at a wedding. This is gonnabe fun. And so it was tough
because there was this like really likeritzy kind of place. But my friends

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that were getting married, I knowthat they were like pretty chill kind of
people, so I knew they probablywent on something super long. But again
it felt like a place with someformality, and there were like seven different
things listened out on the program.So I set the line at I believe
it was twenty four minutes, andso my friends like, oh man,
it's definitely gonna be the over,and then my sister was like, oh
man, it's it's totally gonna beunder. It's like great, like I'm

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charging of viig. I'm gonna makemoney on this no matter what. That
was great. Then I had explainedwhat a vig was, but um uh,
it got if you all have neverbet on, you don't have to
use actual money, but if younever like bet on an actual wedding,
especially when where you're not like init, it's so much fun and it
makes things just so like so muchbetter, just like betting on, like

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how long the best man's speech isgonna go? Just something like oh man,
it just like you get so investedin this stuff. And so let
me tell you, we were justlike hanging on every word. And my
one friend, the groom is gettingmarried. He pulls out his vows like
they got separate vows, like theywrote thrown vows. He pulls do his
thing. It's like five pages withfour false endings, and we're sitting there
like wrap it up, wrap itup, let's go, let's go.

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M. But it was possibly theproudest most of my life. I set
the line at twenty four minutes.It was twenty three minutes and forty five
seconds. Wow. Wow, Ijust I mean, obviously so much luck
fluke, but some thought to gointo it and I was, I was
just like that, but it mebecause the line was so close, like

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it was just really exciting at theobviously was a lovely wedding and everything,
but really excited. Yes, YadAhappily ever after I made twenty bucks.
I highly recommend that it made likeit made just like it was a real
exciting wedding m in that respect.Um. But then so I just wanted

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to bring up so on the writeup, we were listening to eighties on
eight on series six M because it'sthe best channel obviously. And um,
this guy had one m through somesort of charity. He I don't know
if it was an auction or whateverthing, it's like a charity auction.
He did the most, so hegot to be DJ for an hour on
series XM Eighties Night. And um, this dude seems like like a nice

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guy. Just seemed like a coolguy. You know, it's like real
respectful. I was like, man, you know, guys are doing to
this charity. It's a great charityand I'm real lucky to have his opportunity.
And he introduced each song like hewas a DJ and like this like
like this is a real meaningful momentin my life. And this, you
know, relates to like my sister, this relates to my first girlfriend.
This like reminds me of when myfamily moved to California or whatever, and

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so like it was all really great, but it was amazing because he picked
the most generic songs. You canimagine, like if you and so the
question I want to post it youguys, if you had an hour to
program, you can do a lotto him. But if you had an
hour to program at channel whatever,EI Night, whatever it is, like
what would you pick and for himit was just like he did like every
bath you take, which obviously Iloved. It was like every bath you
take. And then like his deepcut was Michael Jackson's PYT and again like

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you know, I don't know ifyou'd play Michael Jackson out, but people,
I did not like a deep cutMichael Jackson kind of song. It's
not the one I would pick offa thriller. But anyway, like there's
all stuff like that, just likethe most generic stuff he had, like
spend all this money had really deepmeaningful connections to this music. And then
it was like sweet emotions. Yeah, but it doesn't even think that like

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what what would would you do ifyou had to program and a channel for
an hour? And and what wouldyou go with him? That's not direction
of going, but like I reallyapplauded, like that's just what you want,
Like you know what, I cansee these songs whenever. That's fine,
there are my songs. I'm gonnaplay him. Okay, maybe he
has heard them so many times thatthey conjure all kinds of positive numbers for
me. Yeah maybe, Um soI'll answer that in a second. But

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uh, first so the uh justyou know again, like like you you
know, actual good things happened tome this week, like my sister got
a doctorate. Like I'm going togo, yeah, but that's not exciting
to y'all. Uh So I don'tknow the best thing I saw this week.

(01:12:39):
I have the best thing I heardthis week, which will also be
what I would play at the Eightiesare on eight um, which is a
rule that I've set for myself.If Carle Ray Jeffson releases an album,
I should probably talk about it onthe one medium where I am allowed to
do without the community. Um.So yeah, obviously the best thing I
heard this week is dedicated the albumSlash exagusis by Carl Gray Jeffson, singer

(01:13:06):
of song Maybe Caller and Okay.So, I think there are a few
people who there are a few differenttypes of people when it comes to this.
So one type of person is likewho and it's fine not for you?

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Right, this isn't for you.Another is like, isn't that the
person who sang like the one hitWonder And it's like, yeah, look
at the heart wants what it wants, Like I didn't want like the one
hit Wonder and like Canadian Idol runnerup to be the Best Songwriter of the
two thousand and tens. But herewe are, you know, like it's

(01:13:46):
a weird world. Um. Andthen third there I think there are people
who like pay some attention to musicand are like, uh boy, it
sure does seem like a lot ofpeople like this one random person. Are
you all in some sort of collectivejoke, you know, on some collective
jokes? And to that I haveI have two response, so number one

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uh and I am glad the reasonI'm talking about this now I have Jared
to back me up on this.Um. I just want to be very
clear. I was early on thistrain. Yes, not to be not
to be all Indie about this,but like, yeah, I I was
not like a Johnny come lately tothis. I have I have receipts from
twenty twelve where I said, uh, like I think I'm gonna buy her

(01:14:31):
fourth album and I think I'm gonnabe the only person who does so.
Um. And then um, yeah, I also uh would like to address
this theoretical strong man of like uhyou know, which I've seen in a
few places like why do you hipsters? Or like like pap all a sudden,

(01:14:55):
Um, it's really good music.And not only is it really good
music, it prizes the things thatI like and value these days. And
I think one of the things thatI enjoy the most about pop music in
general and about her pop music inparticular, is clarity of purpose. And

(01:15:16):
I was listening to an interview whereshe kind of mentioned this that you know
that, not that indie rock isa bad thing, but there is a
way in which it is easier towrite. You know, it is more
shambolic. You don't have to necessarilyfinish things, you don't have to come
to a clear point, and youdon't have to refine in the same way.

(01:15:39):
And when it comes to I wouldsay this style of music, this
in particular, it really does connectall the things that I have enjoyed most
about music. It connects I wouldsay, this kind of folk music upbringing
which she had, in which Ialso have of Like you know, your

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seventies singer songwriters, you're Randy Newman'sand Leonard Cones, James Taylor's with kind
of nineties production and two thousands,uh in two thousand tens, nineties writing
in two thousand and tens production,um, and just a couple references that
I thought were really interesting to meabout the making this album. One is

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that she says she was inspired bythe Bigis and Alba, which I definitely
hear um and it reminds this albumreminds me very much of a Feists Inside
and Out, which was and theLead Dye album, which was this kind
of like soft jazz Beg's cover.The other thing, the other reference that
she had for this album that Ithought was really appropriate. I didn't realize

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until she said it was Squeeze,And once she said that, I was
like, Oh, I can hearthis every Yeah. She is really like
the Chris Difford of the two thousandtens in a lot of ways, and
I'm like, oh, of coursethat there. There's this is kind of

(01:17:13):
like the modern Squeeze. And youknow, I think both Jared and I
kind of share love of those albumsas well. Um. Yeah, So
I would say this in particular ifyou are all interested in, um certain
types of music. I really lovekind of melodic eighties like scritty, politty,

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prefab sprout kind of sound, whichis all over the beginning into the
nineties and into kind of Cindy lauperand kind of active Mariah Harry vibe.
It's really wonderful, and the twothousands of two thousand and tens of like
him and Robin and this kind ofmodern world, and I think it all

(01:17:57):
comes together there. I actually Ithink I agree with a lot of carly
Heads that this is less of amaybe left fewer high points than Emotion,
but even a more consistent album insome ways. And I just wanted to
say, like very much, thisis a real thing, and people can

(01:18:19):
like what they like, and youknow it is not a joke that is
being played upon. You do notworry by those of us who are listening.
Um, Jared, I guess youhave heard this album, right.
I have heard the album only one'sall the way through there. Yeah,
So I actually haven't asked do youhave any any thoughts about it? In

(01:18:41):
particular, I needed to give itanother listener too. I think I'm gonna
end up liking Emotion more, butalso because I like the kind of bigger,
hookier I'm talking about this, likethe bigger of your popular kind of
stuff. I tend to just gofor that, which isn't a knock on
this album. I just tend toenjoy my music more is like big singles
that I can bop around too,right, and can I ask the So

(01:19:04):
I did have an offline question foryou. I was trying to save it
for this for some reason, whereI was like, what is your favorite
song from the album. I wasguessing I'll Be Your Girl, which sounds
like Taken and Sarah fronting the policeon a chorus. But I'm gonna say
it's it might actually be want Youin My Room, which is the most

(01:19:27):
jack aston off the song I've heardsince, either since Fun or since Walk
the Moon, Yes, which I'mstill not tired of. But yeah,
I'll have to get back to youbecause since you told me the first one
is giving you my favorite, Ilistened to that a bunch of now it
stuck in my head something. Okay, so it's not entirely fair. Yeah,

(01:19:49):
and so I'll just throw like Ithink again, like I would recommend
no drug, like me, Iwould recommend I'll Be Your Girl as well.
I would recommend automatically in love.I think there's a lot Again,
if you're into this very smooth sound, I feel like she is steadily turning
into the Blue Nile, which isreally exactly what I wanted for pop music

(01:20:09):
these days. So really exciting tohave that with me. And the best
thing I heard this week awesome.Okay, on that note, we will
be back next week. Oh sorry, I've actually heard this album one of
my other friends. Yeah, oneof my friends that I was going to
and from Chicago with is good atlistening to new music, and we were

(01:20:32):
on the way back and we werelike ready to be home and not quite
home yet, and he's like,I've got just the thing. He's like,
bear with me here for a second. But like, this new album
by her is really good and Iliked it Like none of the songs I
stuck in my head. I couldn'ttell you the names of any of them
without looking them up, but itwas good. Like I was like,

(01:20:55):
oh yeah, I like this betterthan most of the new music that I've
heard, or like my stuff thatthe college kids play on road trips and
stuff. So wow, I knowyou didn't expect I did not expect that,
but I think it's really exciting.It is. I am filled with
e circle circle shun. You justmade it really happy. I was thinking,

(01:21:19):
though, like it would be gooddriving music. It didn feel like
good driving music. Yeah, oras she said, um, her original
title for this album was music toClean Your House Too, which I think,
yeah, it's about the same thing, which I think really sums it
up. Yeah, and you know, I like a lot of different kinds
of music, so you know,this isn't really the only thing, but

(01:21:43):
you know, it's definitely part ofme. So it's part of me that
I've now shared ory and I'm gladI could share with all of you.
Thank you. Okay, On thatnote, we will be back next week
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