July 18, 2019 • 36 mins
TTO gets together after the sad news about the unexpected passing of Rob McQuown to remember him and what he's meant to so many folks.
BP's Twitter moment with thoughts about Rob: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1151564016881414150
BP's Twitter moment with thoughts about Rob: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1151564016881414150
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Pouty and welcome to the Three shoutComes podcast presented by Baseball Perspectus. I'm
your host, Dan Leftgowitz, andI'm joined as always by Ben Marphine and
Jared Weiss. I guess I knowhow you guys are doing. I assume
if anyone has read the introduction tothis podcast or the title, you know
how we're doing as well. Andit's been kind of a rough day here.
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Just in case you played this withoutlooking at the title, we all
received pretty rough news. I guess, like yesterday that our friend and probably
the most valuable member of this podcast, through Rob mcun passed away yesterday unexpectedly.
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And it's been, you know,pretty strange and rough for us,
and so we're probably just going totalk about that. Sorry, it's going
to be a little bit of adowner, but hopefully, you know,
we'll also get into some good storiesDeLine and kind of explain, you know,
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what he meant to us in scoresetas well. Ben, I think
I'll turn over to you first,just I guess for some thoughts and like
how you got entangled with VP inthe first place, because you certainly have
the longest history of us. Yeah, apologies, to all the listeners because
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I'll probably end up talking more thancharitar Ian for this episode, which is
not the best situation but maybe appropriatehere. So I joined VP when I
was still in college. I thinkit was in two thousand and four,
and if memory serves, Rob actuallywasn't on board at that point, but
I was helping in a technical capacityand working with Keith Wilner back before Keith
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Wilner left, and when Rob joined, he was sort of helping support us
at first. And then you know, when I joined, I guess I
should say like Keith was sort ofthe most technical person there, or at
least like the person most in chargeof the technical inner workings. And Keith
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left many years ago now, andwhen Keith left, Rob basically stepped into
his shoes and sort of helped orchestrateall of the technical inner workings. And
I guess maybe it's hard to describeexactly what that entails, but it ended
up becoming, you know, afull time job before anybody realized it.
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And then I think was you know, basically like Rob's full time job for
a while. And you know,if you haven't already, I'll link I'll
send the link out that Ian thatyou shared, but it's basically just like
a Twitter thread of threat of responsesto the Baseball Perspectives anouncement, and I
think that's worth reading it, andI don't want to go through and reiterate
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it, but it's you know,dozens of people responding basically talking about how
kind and helpful and patient Rob was. And I think that was certainly my
experience, and I think if there'sa somewhat unique perspective or at least uncommon
perspective that I can shed some lighton it. That around when I finished
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college, so it's two or threeyears after I joined Baseball Perspectus, I
was still helping out fairly frequently,but I was in the middle of going
through all kinds of things as alot of people do, finding a job
and getting married and then getting divorcedand getting dogs and getting a new job
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and traveling and all that kind ofstuff. But I was sort of dipping
in and out of Baseball Perspectus thewhole time, because I really appreciated the
community of folks there and enjoyed thework that I had done with them.
And you know, once Keith left, Rob was the most helpful person there.
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And was the only reason that Iwas ever able to get back up
to speed after being you know,out of sync for six nine, twelve
twenty four months. You know,as you know, stuff with my life
came and went, and I wassort of in and out. I can't
count how many times I emailed Robto be like, can you send me
the connection information to all the serversagain? Because I've just you know,
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forgotten them or they've changed because it'sbeen so long. And he was always
super patient and super helpful, andI knew everything off the top of his
head because he was in charge ofcoordinating at all. And you know,
I think it's a tribute to whohe was as a person that you like,
see all the responses and outputting onTwitter. But if there's something that
I can shed some light on isthat the stuff that he did was technically
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fairly difficult, and he was strugglinga lot of things all at once.
And the fact that Baseball Prospectus wascapable of churning out so much content and
keeping the website going and you know, maybe not updating it as often as
all the readers would like, butactually going through several site refreshes in that
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decade plus generating all the content forthe books. You know, all of
that stuff was all orchestrated by Rob, and everybody that ever interacted with him
had only good things to say abouthow all that went. So, you
know, think of all of thehundreds of thousands of words that have spilled
onto the Internet and onto the pagesof Baseball Perspectus, and it's maybe only
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a slight overstatement to say that mostof them wouldn't have been there without Rob's
help in some capacity or another,either from the website itself or the publishing
process for the book and what haveyou. And I think a lot of
people that mentioned stuff on Twitter sortof talked about how unheralded he was,
and I think that was most byhis choice. You know, he got
a lot of credits and appreciation atthe bottom articles and stuff like that,
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and mentions in the book, butyou know, he was always in it
just to be helpful, because thisis what he wanted to be doing,
because he loved it. And andwhen I was reading through the tributes of
the thing that sort of stuck outto me and sort of struck a chord
in me was, you know,I don't know, I'm not. I
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don't want to go too far,but I don't really know that I've ever
seen anybody else that could support allthe technical things that Baseball Prospectus needs like
Rob did, and above and beyondmissing him as a person and a personality
and as a friend, which Ithink you will definitely get if you go
through and read the things that peoplehave said about him and the way that
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they talk about even people that onlyknew him for a year or less,
you know, all the way upto all the people that knew him for
you know, a decade or more. Everybody has good things to say,
and I think, you know,in reading through those things, the thing
that I sort of came back tois like, this is obviously somebody who
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is an awesome person, and that'ssomething that we can all aspire to for
sure. And I think in acompany that's seen dozens of people come through
and do all kinds of amazing thingsin baseball, it's possible that Rob was
and is going to remain the mostimportant person to ever work there, you
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know. And that's I mean,I think that's really easy to substantiate and
a pretty tremendous accomplishment given all ofthe other people that you know would also
be considered for that sort of thing, And yeah, you know, I
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don't know. I don't know ifI don't know how the site keeps going,
I don't know how the refresh hashappened, I don't know how the
data gets updated. And it wasI mean, maybe a little bit fitting.
I'm gonna throw a little bit ofnegativity here, but like, I
so I got the email that theysent out for the announcement, and I
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wasn't on Twitter, so I didn'tsee that thing on Twitter. But I
pulled up the VP website and there'sthis kind of like lame banner thing at
the top of the website that's likea nice tribute to Rob, but in
terms of like it's technical design islame, is what I mean. It's
like it's a nice thing that somebodywrote. But it's like if if things
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had unfolded a different way and Robhad been the one to like make the
banner, it would have looked reallynice and it would have like had the
right funt and it would have beenlike well coordinated with the site and all
that stuff. And you can justsort of see right in the immediacy of
everything unfolding and like it's like,oh, like nobody could have done it
like Rob did it, because Robwas the one that did everything. Yeah,
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I mean, like, I don'tyou know, we're we're not really
like you know, we're BP adjacentif anything, at this point. And
you know, there are a lotof great people there and the site will
keep running. But you know,from where I stand today, I don't
understand how you know that the workhe did was incalculable and without complaint and
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just making it look so easy,yeah, which is really you know,
the effortlessness allowed him to I guessbe friendly or I don't know which one
drove the other. But like,because he was able to take on these
incredible tasks, he was able alsoto bring his personality yeah too good and
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and extend that so far out rightinto the scoresheet community, which you mentioned
before. You know, I thinkthere are people that never opened the BP
website but knew Rob through the mockdraft or his other scores sheet leagues,
and are you know, equally devastatedby the news. It's no exaggeration whatsoever
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to say that we would certainly notbe here doing this podcast or any of
the ones this year without Rob's helpand support and encouragement. You know,
in a time when the podcast hadgone dormant, Rob was the one that
reached out and was like, Hey, you guys should start that podcast up
again. You should really start doingmore episodes. Is there anything I can
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do to help? Is there anyyou know, like all the way up
to offering to do all the liketechnical production stuff, and I was,
I mean, I couldn't do that. I would feel so guilty having him
do that for us. But thatwas like, you know, that was
the extent of his generosity. Waslike, and he you know, he
was genuinely excited about the possibility ofthe podcast happening again, and so he
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initiated all that to happen. Andso, you know, I guess in
the aftermath of the news about hispassing and sort of dwelling on it earlier
today, I was like, youknow, it's not going to be easy,
and it's not going to be thebest episode that anybody listens to,
but we have to make sure weget together and at least talk about him
for a little while. And obviouslyI'm not great at just sort of extemporaneously
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talking about how awesome he was.I'll say it again, like you can
see the measure of who he wasby the outpouring that happens, you know,
in situations like Twitter where everybody's steppingup and everybody's saying wonderful and glowing
things because they're all true, becausethat's who he was. And I think
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it's something for us to keep ofmine this Like, at the end of
the day, being a really nice, generous, caring, thoughtful person is
probably the best thing that any ofus can aspire to. So yeah,
yeah, um, and I'd liketo just really well said, I'd like
to you know, expand him twopoints. And Jared, you know,
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certainly feel free to jump in aswell. Um. You talked a lot
about what he meant to BP andsomething about what he meant to us,
but you know, I want totalk one about what he meant to score
Sheet as a whole, because youknow that's the world a lot of you
were in, and what he meantto us personally. Um, and to
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score Sheet like again, just likejust like Savor Metrics. You know,
I think he held a lot ofSaber Metric committee together, and you know,
he held a lot of Scoresheet together. I think outside of like the
Bartons and Brian du Barry Jones andmaybe a couple like I don't know that
anybody gave as much to Scoresheet asRob and certainly that was through his enthusiasm
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for it. But you know,we have talked many times about how the
Baseball Perspectives tools are the best onthe site or the best anywhere for score
Sheet, and they're the reason tosubscribe to BP, even if you don't
like listening to us, which wecertainly understood, and that it wasn't that,
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and that was you know, onehundred percent, well maybe with some
assistance from you, but like onehundred percent him and his passion for this
product in this game. And youknow, I think he had more passion
for this community than literally anyone includingus, maybe the creator, like just
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you know, anyone out there.And you can go down the line from
that team tracker to SSM to lineup developer or two like the the thing
that always got me was like theMinor League stand or the minor league game
tracker, which he would update everyyear, and I'm convinced I am the
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only person who ever knew that andevery I like in every where, I'd
be like, you know, Idon't want to disturb you from the eight
thousand more important things on yard radar, but you know, the whatever the
Gwinnette stripers changed their day, Yeah, I'm on it. I have a
quick anecdote about that, at leastlike a tension off of that that.
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Um So, I was like pokingaround in some of my emails and stuff
and I have some you know,random nostalgic moments earlier today, and one
of the things that I uncovered wasa list of ideas that Rob and I
had brainstormed at one point for likethings we wanted to develop for the site.
And there's a folder out there onone of the servers that basically has
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like I don't know, I'll say, like a dozen little side projects that
he and I spun off at somepoint thinking like, oh, maybe this
is something that people would enjoy.And I'm very confident that after I left
that, like minor league scoreboard isa good example of these types of things.
Was like Rob has an idea,He's like somebody will think this is
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useful or cool or helpful or whatever, and he would just stand it up
and make it happen and put iton the site because he could. You
know, Yeah, it's like allthose those the ratings of the team tracker
which are hidden in this like verystrange place. You know, you can
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all find that about how your teamranks compared to others, like just his
idea and right, he just putit up ss Sam, I don't know
if you want to talk about thatdevelopment again. I know you've mentioned it
before, but certainly the most importantmetric and score sheet. Yeah, like
you guys, I essentially rebuilt it, right. It was like, yeah,
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I don't want to I don't wantto rehash it too much. It's
basically something that Nate Silver originally likehad the original idea for. And part
of the reason I don't like talkingabout too much is because I don't have
to talk about Nates Silver. Buthe built it an Excel because that was
what he knew, and Rob andI were both like, well, this
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will not do. This is nota thing we can do every year in
Excel, and so he and Isort of went through the process of rewriting
it for the website. And thenyou know, this was definitely after I
was not doing a whole lot ofstuff to help out BP very often,
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and so Rob took it over andfixed all the little bugs that I had
put in there, and like wentthrough fairly rigorous testing to make sure that
everything tracked all the way through justright, and did a lot of debugging
on all the different steps for allthe different calculations and comparing them to the
Excel spreadsheet, and and then onceit was you know, pretty much done
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in terms of the development, hewas constantly spearheading ideas to improve it functionality,
additions, different types of you know, like all the different parameterization and
settings and stuff that are in therewere almost all his idea, and I
would say vast majority of the implementationwork was his work. You know,
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all the updates every year, there'slike there's a bunch of different little things
that you really want to like tweakand review every year, and he was
always either doing them or like askingme to review them, or you know,
like saying, hey, Ben,like what do you think A lot
of the email threads that I foundin my email when I was like poking
through there were things that things thathe was thinking about SSM or had her
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mostly John Mayne saying about s SIMis like, hey, I think we
can fix this if we you know, try to tweak a little bit or
like what if we you know,change this parameter to be instead of being
hard coded, we can just imputeit from you. Like all these kinds
of things that were you know,work above and beyond and um definitely contribute
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to the value of the metric itself, but also you know, multiple data
points over the course of every yearof like how much he cared, how
much he wanted it to be asexcellent as it could be, how much
he enjoyed what he was doing,and how interested he was in you know,
pushing that out to as many peopleas possible and making it as helpful
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to you know, as much ofthe community as possible. And um,
yeah, it's it's like a giftto people based on the things that he
was passionate about. Yeah. Ithink is a thing that ms up over
and over again. Yeah. AndI think, you know, we're fortunate
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in a lot of ways that willhave a lot of ways to remember him
because he did so many of thesethings that are going to be useful to
so many people for so much longerafter he's um, you know, not
able to keep working on them.Yeah. Um. Yeah, and you
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know I do think I do seethis podcast again as one of those things
like a project that he was passionateabout and wanted to work on um which
is amazing and it has been agift, especially over the last year,
and definitely wanted to reiterate, likeyou know, I cancer something like not
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only you know, as somebody whohas been a reader of BP for a
long time, like you were involvedin it, I've kind of just been
a person reading and like everyone thereis like on the other side, yeah,
that they are like the geniuses whoI grew up reading essentially, and
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to have that veil be pierced throughan you know, through a number of
people who worked at PP the firsttime, but especially throughout the second and
to have him welcome us in tothis world and with you know, with
a graciousness that I do not extendto myself honestly, and generosity is you
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know, that was about the mostincredible thing I could experience. Like,
you know, I was looking atsome of this and it's like, you
know, seeing the tributes come infrom like heavy hitters of the industry such
as it is you know, JayJaffee, Ben Lindbergh and so she all
had nice things. You know,all we're helped and like to have like
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us clowns also be helped by him. It's like like just for me,
like I you know, like whyare you spending? Like why do you
value my opinion along with that?And you know he did, you know,
I think on some level genuinely,you know, this is what we
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were saying today. I would probablysay it any day, like we were
making the podcast for him, likealmost almost literally in something. I think
we even said that once or twice. Yeah, and we were happy to
do it because we felt like hedeserved it and right like he brought us
back because he wanted to listen tous, which is just a tremendous honor
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and gift. Yeah, and youknow, hard for me to even believe
in myself to that degree. Andyou know that is certainly the thing that
I have taken from speaking with him, just briefly, like valuing my hockey
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jokes once or twice, like youknow there is like you changed the VP
slack chat like one of the lineto like a joke that I made,
yeah, which I believe was aslam on Jerkson profar. Actually, so
we are like on rand I wasgoing to support a slam on Jerkson profar.
Yeah, let me check any ofthe pub is line real quick.
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Yeah, but like yeah, butlike seeing that is like, oh,
like you know I am a partof this. You know. I think
I've said to everyone who listens,you know, to all of you,
like you're definitely the people who keepus going, you like, respond to
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us even in our moments of selfdoubt, of which I have frequent,
all of them. Um. Andyou know, I think having somebody of
that reputation, like you know,talent, just like asking us questions about
what he thought of what he thoughtabout his team. You know a lot
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of people have brought up like hewould ask a lot of questions about baseball.
Yeah, and just like what youthink about a trade, um,
and you know, just like keepingthe conversation going. Um. You know,
and I think right uh, likeJared, I think you know that
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may have been someone what you like, how you interacted with them, it's
through just him chatting to us offoffline. Yes, yeah, no,
um, I agree, And youall said it better than anything I could.
I guess just a couple more thingsI wanted to to fill in up.
I was going back piece some oldemails, and I think Rob was
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in the larger responsible for us gettingthe podcast on VP and in the first
place. Yeah, he was theone who made the introduction to bread and
suggested and it was it was ateam thing. But I'm not sure we're
on VP with that. With that, Rob and I was looking back,
we invited him on the podcast Liliverfive years ago and he said that he
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really stunk at podcasts. He respectfullydeclined, and I guess about you,
Like, one of my big regretsis that we never we never took the
time to follow up and knowing thathe probably wouldn't want to be on if
there was a way that we couldhave got him on it, I think,
Yeah, I do recall it asbeing the only guest who has ever
turned us down. Amazing because weshould have been turned down by everyone,
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like it's been gracious, but itright, It wasn't out of like,
it wasn't out of busy answer likehe I guess did not whoa No,
I think that like he didn't feelI don't know what whatever it was,
but whatever he felt, he wasn't. I mean, he certainly was and
yeah, maybe maybe should have,but it's done a better job telling him
that, I mean he was hewas, um, he was on the
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score sheet at baseball respect is emailright right? Yeah, like those those
emails went to him and he respondedat least to us too, I guess
we Like what always struck me aboutRob is just how how present he was
and seeing all these other tributes commended. It blows my mind that he had
the the time and energy and willingnessto get so deep in the mousha of
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like silly questions with us about this, right, and then like everyone else
like I could. It's stunned methat everyone else was like yeah, like
Rob was helping me too. II couldn't believe he had time to all
day. It blows my mind,right, and to have like uh you
know, like and not to getstart straight, but like all of the
big names in VP and throughout likeSavan Rotricks like right again, like he
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has time for us, and hehad time for like we're not the only
one, Like there are a lotof little fish who he was helping along
the way. It is just,yeah, I don't understand how you could
give that much talk to that manypeople. And I never remember hearing him
complaining ever about anything with our stuff. Yeah, he's always complete opposite.
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Yeah. The only thing I rememberhim complaining about was like trades that he
made that he wished he hadn't made. You know, I'll i'll echo slightly
that, like, I have someregrets that he was never on the podcast.
I think I think in some waysit's kind of fitting that we didn't
try to talk him into it orwhatever, because it's sort of like,
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well, this is of his doingin enough ways that if he really doesn't
want to come on, then youknow, who are we to try to
talk him into it. I'll shareone other regret and I sort of voice
this privately to Jared, and Ithink it's maybe a little of a vulnerability
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for me, but I think it'sworth sharing. Is that, um,
in the VP slack, there's ascoresheet channel, and I would venture to
guess something like eighty percent of themessages on that channel came from Rob,
and it was always Rob looking forconversations just about scoresheet and his players and
his teams, or current events orsomething like that. And I sort of
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jokingly called it Rob's scoresheet support groupat one point because it was you know
so often that he was reaching outand and I I mean I meant the
comments sort of good naturally, aslike a sort of a joke amongst the
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three of us. But it makesme regret that I didn't put more energy
and effort into engaging him, becauseI think he certainly had more than earned,
you know, my time at thatpoint. Not that I necessarily had
anything super useful to say, butyou know, sometimes you could tell he
was just looking for a you know, he would mention, you know,
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some unlucky outcomes in the sim orsomething like that, and he's just looking
for somebody to you know, yeah, just chime in and be like,
yeah, that stinks, Like Ihate it when the secretcing breaks the wrong
way for you or whatever. AndI had chances to do that and miss
them. And I think, youknow, as I was thinking about if
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there's anything useful to take away fromsomething like this, you know, I
mentioned how universally positively he and backto people, and how that's like something
that can inspire us. I thinkthere's also at least for me personally,
and like possibly for other people.You could think of similar settings and situations
that happened to you, like Ihave a certain amount of regret about not
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engaging with him more fully and notreciprocating in a lot of ways the energy
that he put into, you know, the things that I was thinking about
or talking about or whatever, tosort of reciprocate that energy back for him
about the things that he was thinkingabout and talking about carrying about. And
you know, I definitely regret theimbalance of that creative in a relationship where
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like he was constantly giving and Iwas doing more taking than giving, and
I I should have done a betterjob of that. And so you know,
maybe that's also a thing that cancome out of this little at least
be an opportunity for people to thinkabout, like, you know, take
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that extra few a few minutes tohave that conversation with somebody about how tricks
and profile really isn't good at baseballif that's what they want to rant about
or whatever. Not that Rob woulddo that. So that's like me projecting
myself. Rob would never say anythingbad about baseball players, I don't think.
I mean, I'm sure he did, but like, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, I you know, Iconnected that, Like I feel similarly
in my own way, where youknow, you would ask questions and you
know, I would take more timeto respond than he did to ask them.
And you know, I think justin the last week we were chatting,
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we were chatting offline about not baseball, but music, which was the
two a very large degree one ofhis passions. And I think you'll see
that in a lot of reminiscences asthey I think come out on the site.
So I don't want to steal otherpeople's thunder, but I definitely,
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you know, something that was importantto him as well and is important to
me. And you know, Idon't want to cut this off prematurely,
but I did have the best thingI saw this week, which is very
you know, I just came backfrom the Carlier Jackson concert and I won't
talk about her again except to saythat, Um, you know, we
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were chatting. I was chatting withRob last week and the conversation turned to
music and he said, uh,he said to me that I'll pull up
the exact line, which I havesomewhere here, um, but that his
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obsession was in finding great female vocals, great and energetic female vocals. Um.
And uh, Jared, you knowme, I met you, Yeah,
and you know what I listened toum and energetic female vocals. Yeah
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that you know. He uh wasthe h the only person I met with
a bigger paramore fan than the twoof us, you know, and it
was just you know, which Ihave met and other people, but like
this encyclopedia knowledge of music, butI think accompanied by this joy and interest
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in like everything for like Prague tolike EDM to you know, loud music
and just putting women first, whichI definitely relate to. You know that
a lot of people talked about playliststhat he shared with them, and I
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got my first one in his lastmessage to me, you know, and
that is tough. I had thisthought then. Even now I'm like,
oh, this is somebody who I'mgoing to be talking to for a long
time about this, and you know, it is very rough to realize that
I'm not going to and that hasbeen weighing on me in the last day.
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But you know, what I guessI can do on some level is
go out to see Carly and tosee all of all of my favorite women
and meet his obsession for great femalevocals and you know, live that for
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him to some degree in my ownway, and to be passionate about the
things that I love and hopefully sharethem with others, and that that is
to a degree, what I've takenfrom him, and hopefully y'all get to
experience that as well in your life. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I
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don't know anyone anyone else have thingsto say. I don't want to cut
the party short here, but um, like I said, it's been a
rough day for us. We're recordingthis pretty late, but I think we
all wanted to take some time outof our day, no matter when,
for him. So yeah, um, all right, we'll be We'll be
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back at some point with you know, the dumb stuff that we talk about
normally. I'm sure you know.I can't say when. Send us send
us your thoughts, comments, questions, scoresee at baseball perspectis dot com.
You know, if you have anythoughts on this episode that you'd like us
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to share, we'll read them.If you want to send dumb trade questions
and like random nonsense, believe me, that is what Rob would have loved
as well, So please please sendalong. It's just anything that you have,
you know, it's it's always goodto hear from you. And like
we said, you know, wewere doing this for him to some degree
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and to all of our lists andfor all of our listeners, and um,
you know we'll be we're down oneand we're down somebody who supported us
and entered us. Um. Butyou know we want to keep going for
everyone else and to keep him happyin some way. So uh I guess
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with that said, um again,UM you know, uh restI is your
Rob. We'll mess you. Andyeah, I think I want to thank
you, perhaps on behalf of allowus, for all that you have given
us. Um and yeah I'll giventhis community. Yeah yeah yeah, So
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um, thank you again for listening. Thank you to Rob, and thanks
to Benasher. Thank you both forpushing this and making this happen because it
was worth it. But on behalfof all of us, thanks again and
have a great day.
Pouty and welcome to the Three shoutComes podcast presented by Baseball Perspectus. I'm
your host, Dan Leftgowitz, andI'm joined as always by Ben Marphine and
Jared Weiss. I guess I knowhow you guys are doing. I assume
if anyone has read the introduction tothis podcast or the title, you know
how we're doing as well. Andit's been kind of a rough day here.
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Just in case you played this withoutlooking at the title, we all
received pretty rough news. I guess, like yesterday that our friend and probably
the most valuable member of this podcast, through Rob mcun passed away yesterday unexpectedly.
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And it's been, you know,pretty strange and rough for us,
and so we're probably just going totalk about that. Sorry, it's going
to be a little bit of adowner, but hopefully, you know,
we'll also get into some good storiesDeLine and kind of explain, you know,
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what he meant to us in scoresetas well. Ben, I think
I'll turn over to you first,just I guess for some thoughts and like
how you got entangled with VP inthe first place, because you certainly have
the longest history of us. Yeah, apologies, to all the listeners because
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I'll probably end up talking more thancharitar Ian for this episode, which is
not the best situation but maybe appropriatehere. So I joined VP when I
was still in college. I thinkit was in two thousand and four,
and if memory serves, Rob actuallywasn't on board at that point, but
I was helping in a technical capacityand working with Keith Wilner back before Keith
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Wilner left, and when Rob joined, he was sort of helping support us
at first. And then you know, when I joined, I guess I
should say like Keith was sort ofthe most technical person there, or at
least like the person most in chargeof the technical inner workings. And Keith
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left many years ago now, andwhen Keith left, Rob basically stepped into
his shoes and sort of helped orchestrateall of the technical inner workings. And
I guess maybe it's hard to describeexactly what that entails, but it ended
up becoming, you know, afull time job before anybody realized it.
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And then I think was you know, basically like Rob's full time job for
a while. And you know,if you haven't already, I'll link I'll
send the link out that Ian thatyou shared, but it's basically just like
a Twitter thread of threat of responsesto the Baseball Perspectives anouncement, and I
think that's worth reading it, andI don't want to go through and reiterate
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it, but it's you know,dozens of people responding basically talking about how
kind and helpful and patient Rob was. And I think that was certainly my
experience, and I think if there'sa somewhat unique perspective or at least uncommon
perspective that I can shed some lighton it. That around when I finished
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college, so it's two or threeyears after I joined Baseball Perspectus, I
was still helping out fairly frequently,but I was in the middle of going
through all kinds of things as alot of people do, finding a job
and getting married and then getting divorcedand getting dogs and getting a new job
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and traveling and all that kind ofstuff. But I was sort of dipping
in and out of Baseball Perspectus thewhole time, because I really appreciated the
community of folks there and enjoyed thework that I had done with them.
And you know, once Keith left, Rob was the most helpful person there.
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And was the only reason that Iwas ever able to get back up
to speed after being you know,out of sync for six nine, twelve
twenty four months. You know,as you know, stuff with my life
came and went, and I wassort of in and out. I can't
count how many times I emailed Robto be like, can you send me
the connection information to all the serversagain? Because I've just you know,
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forgotten them or they've changed because it'sbeen so long. And he was always
super patient and super helpful, andI knew everything off the top of his
head because he was in charge ofcoordinating at all. And you know,
I think it's a tribute to whohe was as a person that you like,
see all the responses and outputting onTwitter. But if there's something that
I can shed some light on isthat the stuff that he did was technically
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fairly difficult, and he was strugglinga lot of things all at once.
And the fact that Baseball Prospectus wascapable of churning out so much content and
keeping the website going and you know, maybe not updating it as often as
all the readers would like, butactually going through several site refreshes in that
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decade plus generating all the content forthe books. You know, all of
that stuff was all orchestrated by Rob, and everybody that ever interacted with him
had only good things to say abouthow all that went. So, you
know, think of all of thehundreds of thousands of words that have spilled
onto the Internet and onto the pagesof Baseball Perspectus, and it's maybe only
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a slight overstatement to say that mostof them wouldn't have been there without Rob's
help in some capacity or another,either from the website itself or the publishing
process for the book and what haveyou. And I think a lot of
people that mentioned stuff on Twitter sortof talked about how unheralded he was,
and I think that was most byhis choice. You know, he got
a lot of credits and appreciation atthe bottom articles and stuff like that,
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and mentions in the book, butyou know, he was always in it
just to be helpful, because thisis what he wanted to be doing,
because he loved it. And andwhen I was reading through the tributes of
the thing that sort of stuck outto me and sort of struck a chord
in me was, you know,I don't know, I'm not. I
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don't want to go too far,but I don't really know that I've ever
seen anybody else that could support allthe technical things that Baseball Prospectus needs like
Rob did, and above and beyondmissing him as a person and a personality
and as a friend, which Ithink you will definitely get if you go
through and read the things that peoplehave said about him and the way that
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they talk about even people that onlyknew him for a year or less,
you know, all the way upto all the people that knew him for
you know, a decade or more. Everybody has good things to say,
and I think, you know,in reading through those things, the thing
that I sort of came back tois like, this is obviously somebody who
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is an awesome person, and that'ssomething that we can all aspire to for
sure. And I think in acompany that's seen dozens of people come through
and do all kinds of amazing thingsin baseball, it's possible that Rob was
and is going to remain the mostimportant person to ever work there, you
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know. And that's I mean,I think that's really easy to substantiate and
a pretty tremendous accomplishment given all ofthe other people that you know would also
be considered for that sort of thing, And yeah, you know, I
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don't know. I don't know ifI don't know how the site keeps going,
I don't know how the refresh hashappened, I don't know how the
data gets updated. And it wasI mean, maybe a little bit fitting.
I'm gonna throw a little bit ofnegativity here, but like, I
so I got the email that theysent out for the announcement, and I
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wasn't on Twitter, so I didn'tsee that thing on Twitter. But I
pulled up the VP website and there'sthis kind of like lame banner thing at
the top of the website that's likea nice tribute to Rob, but in
terms of like it's technical design islame, is what I mean. It's
like it's a nice thing that somebodywrote. But it's like if if things
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had unfolded a different way and Robhad been the one to like make the
banner, it would have looked reallynice and it would have like had the
right funt and it would have beenlike well coordinated with the site and all
that stuff. And you can justsort of see right in the immediacy of
everything unfolding and like it's like,oh, like nobody could have done it
like Rob did it, because Robwas the one that did everything. Yeah,
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I mean, like, I don'tyou know, we're we're not really
like you know, we're BP adjacentif anything, at this point. And
you know, there are a lotof great people there and the site will
keep running. But you know,from where I stand today, I don't
understand how you know that the workhe did was incalculable and without complaint and
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just making it look so easy,yeah, which is really you know,
the effortlessness allowed him to I guessbe friendly or I don't know which one
drove the other. But like,because he was able to take on these
incredible tasks, he was able alsoto bring his personality yeah too good and
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and extend that so far out rightinto the scoresheet community, which you mentioned
before. You know, I thinkthere are people that never opened the BP
website but knew Rob through the mockdraft or his other scores sheet leagues,
and are you know, equally devastatedby the news. It's no exaggeration whatsoever
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to say that we would certainly notbe here doing this podcast or any of
the ones this year without Rob's helpand support and encouragement. You know,
in a time when the podcast hadgone dormant, Rob was the one that
reached out and was like, Hey, you guys should start that podcast up
again. You should really start doingmore episodes. Is there anything I can
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do to help? Is there anyyou know, like all the way up
to offering to do all the liketechnical production stuff, and I was,
I mean, I couldn't do that. I would feel so guilty having him
do that for us. But thatwas like, you know, that was
the extent of his generosity. Waslike, and he you know, he
was genuinely excited about the possibility ofthe podcast happening again, and so he
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initiated all that to happen. Andso, you know, I guess in
the aftermath of the news about hispassing and sort of dwelling on it earlier
today, I was like, youknow, it's not going to be easy,
and it's not going to be thebest episode that anybody listens to,
but we have to make sure weget together and at least talk about him
for a little while. And obviouslyI'm not great at just sort of extemporaneously
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talking about how awesome he was.I'll say it again, like you can
see the measure of who he wasby the outpouring that happens, you know,
in situations like Twitter where everybody's steppingup and everybody's saying wonderful and glowing
things because they're all true, becausethat's who he was. And I think
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it's something for us to keep ofmine this Like, at the end of
the day, being a really nice, generous, caring, thoughtful person is
probably the best thing that any ofus can aspire to. So yeah,
yeah, um, and I'd liketo just really well said, I'd like
to you know, expand him twopoints. And Jared, you know,
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certainly feel free to jump in aswell. Um. You talked a lot
about what he meant to BP andsomething about what he meant to us,
but you know, I want totalk one about what he meant to score
Sheet as a whole, because youknow that's the world a lot of you
were in, and what he meantto us personally. Um, and to
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score Sheet like again, just likejust like Savor Metrics. You know,
I think he held a lot ofSaber Metric committee together, and you know,
he held a lot of Scoresheet together. I think outside of like the
Bartons and Brian du Barry Jones andmaybe a couple like I don't know that
anybody gave as much to Scoresheet asRob and certainly that was through his enthusiasm
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for it. But you know,we have talked many times about how the
Baseball Perspectives tools are the best onthe site or the best anywhere for score
Sheet, and they're the reason tosubscribe to BP, even if you don't
like listening to us, which wecertainly understood, and that it wasn't that,
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and that was you know, onehundred percent, well maybe with some
assistance from you, but like onehundred percent him and his passion for this
product in this game. And youknow, I think he had more passion
for this community than literally anyone includingus, maybe the creator, like just
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you know, anyone out there.And you can go down the line from
that team tracker to SSM to lineup developer or two like the the thing
that always got me was like theMinor League stand or the minor league game
tracker, which he would update everyyear, and I'm convinced I am the
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only person who ever knew that andevery I like in every where, I'd
be like, you know, Idon't want to disturb you from the eight
thousand more important things on yard radar, but you know, the whatever the
Gwinnette stripers changed their day, Yeah, I'm on it. I have a
quick anecdote about that, at leastlike a tension off of that that.
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Um So, I was like pokingaround in some of my emails and stuff
and I have some you know,random nostalgic moments earlier today, and one
of the things that I uncovered wasa list of ideas that Rob and I
had brainstormed at one point for likethings we wanted to develop for the site.
And there's a folder out there onone of the servers that basically has
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like I don't know, I'll say, like a dozen little side projects that
he and I spun off at somepoint thinking like, oh, maybe this
is something that people would enjoy.And I'm very confident that after I left
that, like minor league scoreboard isa good example of these types of things.
Was like Rob has an idea,He's like somebody will think this is
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useful or cool or helpful or whatever, and he would just stand it up
and make it happen and put iton the site because he could. You
know, Yeah, it's like allthose those the ratings of the team tracker
which are hidden in this like verystrange place. You know, you can
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all find that about how your teamranks compared to others, like just his
idea and right, he just putit up ss Sam, I don't know
if you want to talk about thatdevelopment again. I know you've mentioned it
before, but certainly the most importantmetric and score sheet. Yeah, like
you guys, I essentially rebuilt it, right. It was like, yeah,
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I don't want to I don't wantto rehash it too much. It's
basically something that Nate Silver originally likehad the original idea for. And part
of the reason I don't like talkingabout too much is because I don't have
to talk about Nates Silver. Buthe built it an Excel because that was
what he knew, and Rob andI were both like, well, this
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will not do. This is nota thing we can do every year in
Excel, and so he and Isort of went through the process of rewriting
it for the website. And thenyou know, this was definitely after I
was not doing a whole lot ofstuff to help out BP very often,
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and so Rob took it over andfixed all the little bugs that I had
put in there, and like wentthrough fairly rigorous testing to make sure that
everything tracked all the way through justright, and did a lot of debugging
on all the different steps for allthe different calculations and comparing them to the
Excel spreadsheet, and and then onceit was you know, pretty much done
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in terms of the development, hewas constantly spearheading ideas to improve it functionality,
additions, different types of you know, like all the different parameterization and
settings and stuff that are in therewere almost all his idea, and I
would say vast majority of the implementationwork was his work. You know,
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all the updates every year, there'slike there's a bunch of different little things
that you really want to like tweakand review every year, and he was
always either doing them or like askingme to review them, or you know,
like saying, hey, Ben,like what do you think A lot
of the email threads that I foundin my email when I was like poking
through there were things that things thathe was thinking about SSM or had her
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mostly John Mayne saying about s SIMis like, hey, I think we
can fix this if we you know, try to tweak a little bit or
like what if we you know,change this parameter to be instead of being
hard coded, we can just imputeit from you. Like all these kinds
of things that were you know,work above and beyond and um definitely contribute
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to the value of the metric itself, but also you know, multiple data
points over the course of every yearof like how much he cared, how
much he wanted it to be asexcellent as it could be, how much
he enjoyed what he was doing,and how interested he was in you know,
pushing that out to as many peopleas possible and making it as helpful
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to you know, as much ofthe community as possible. And um,
yeah, it's it's like a giftto people based on the things that he
was passionate about. Yeah. Ithink is a thing that ms up over
and over again. Yeah. AndI think, you know, we're fortunate
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in a lot of ways that willhave a lot of ways to remember him
because he did so many of thesethings that are going to be useful to
so many people for so much longerafter he's um, you know, not
able to keep working on them.Yeah. Um. Yeah, and you
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know I do think I do seethis podcast again as one of those things
like a project that he was passionateabout and wanted to work on um which
is amazing and it has been agift, especially over the last year,
and definitely wanted to reiterate, likeyou know, I cancer something like not
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only you know, as somebody whohas been a reader of BP for a
long time, like you were involvedin it, I've kind of just been
a person reading and like everyone thereis like on the other side, yeah,
that they are like the geniuses whoI grew up reading essentially, and
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to have that veil be pierced throughan you know, through a number of
people who worked at PP the firsttime, but especially throughout the second and
to have him welcome us in tothis world and with you know, with
a graciousness that I do not extendto myself honestly, and generosity is you
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know, that was about the mostincredible thing I could experience. Like,
you know, I was looking atsome of this and it's like, you
know, seeing the tributes come infrom like heavy hitters of the industry such
as it is you know, JayJaffee, Ben Lindbergh and so she all
had nice things. You know,all we're helped and like to have like
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us clowns also be helped by him. It's like like just for me,
like I you know, like whyare you spending? Like why do you
value my opinion along with that?And you know he did, you know,
I think on some level genuinely,you know, this is what we
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were saying today. I would probablysay it any day, like we were
making the podcast for him, likealmost almost literally in something. I think
we even said that once or twice. Yeah, and we were happy to
do it because we felt like hedeserved it and right like he brought us
back because he wanted to listen tous, which is just a tremendous honor
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and gift. Yeah, and youknow, hard for me to even believe
in myself to that degree. Andyou know that is certainly the thing that
I have taken from speaking with him, just briefly, like valuing my hockey
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jokes once or twice, like youknow there is like you changed the VP
slack chat like one of the lineto like a joke that I made,
yeah, which I believe was aslam on Jerkson profar. Actually, so
we are like on rand I wasgoing to support a slam on Jerkson profar.
Yeah, let me check any ofthe pub is line real quick.
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Yeah, but like yeah, butlike seeing that is like, oh,
like you know I am a partof this. You know. I think
I've said to everyone who listens,you know, to all of you,
like you're definitely the people who keepus going, you like, respond to
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us even in our moments of selfdoubt, of which I have frequent,
all of them. Um. Andyou know, I think having somebody of
that reputation, like you know,talent, just like asking us questions about
what he thought of what he thoughtabout his team. You know a lot
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of people have brought up like hewould ask a lot of questions about baseball.
Yeah, and just like what youthink about a trade, um,
and you know, just like keepingthe conversation going. Um. You know,
and I think right uh, likeJared, I think you know that
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may have been someone what you like, how you interacted with them, it's
through just him chatting to us offoffline. Yes, yeah, no,
um, I agree, And youall said it better than anything I could.
I guess just a couple more thingsI wanted to to fill in up.
I was going back piece some oldemails, and I think Rob was
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in the larger responsible for us gettingthe podcast on VP and in the first
place. Yeah, he was theone who made the introduction to bread and
suggested and it was it was ateam thing. But I'm not sure we're
on VP with that. With that, Rob and I was looking back,
we invited him on the podcast Liliverfive years ago and he said that he
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really stunk at podcasts. He respectfullydeclined, and I guess about you,
Like, one of my big regretsis that we never we never took the
time to follow up and knowing thathe probably wouldn't want to be on if
there was a way that we couldhave got him on it, I think,
Yeah, I do recall it asbeing the only guest who has ever
turned us down. Amazing because weshould have been turned down by everyone,
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like it's been gracious, but itright, It wasn't out of like,
it wasn't out of busy answer likehe I guess did not whoa No,
I think that like he didn't feelI don't know what whatever it was,
but whatever he felt, he wasn't. I mean, he certainly was and
yeah, maybe maybe should have,but it's done a better job telling him
that, I mean he was hewas, um, he was on the
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score sheet at baseball respect is emailright right? Yeah, like those those
emails went to him and he respondedat least to us too, I guess
we Like what always struck me aboutRob is just how how present he was
and seeing all these other tributes commended. It blows my mind that he had
the the time and energy and willingnessto get so deep in the mousha of
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like silly questions with us about this, right, and then like everyone else
like I could. It's stunned methat everyone else was like yeah, like
Rob was helping me too. II couldn't believe he had time to all
day. It blows my mind,right, and to have like uh you
know, like and not to getstart straight, but like all of the
big names in VP and throughout likeSavan Rotricks like right again, like he
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has time for us, and hehad time for like we're not the only
one, Like there are a lotof little fish who he was helping along
the way. It is just,yeah, I don't understand how you could
give that much talk to that manypeople. And I never remember hearing him
complaining ever about anything with our stuff. Yeah, he's always complete opposite.
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Yeah. The only thing I rememberhim complaining about was like trades that he
made that he wished he hadn't made. You know, I'll i'll echo slightly
that, like, I have someregrets that he was never on the podcast.
I think I think in some waysit's kind of fitting that we didn't
try to talk him into it orwhatever, because it's sort of like,
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well, this is of his doingin enough ways that if he really doesn't
want to come on, then youknow, who are we to try to
talk him into it. I'll shareone other regret and I sort of voice
this privately to Jared, and Ithink it's maybe a little of a vulnerability
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for me, but I think it'sworth sharing. Is that, um,
in the VP slack, there's ascoresheet channel, and I would venture to
guess something like eighty percent of themessages on that channel came from Rob,
and it was always Rob looking forconversations just about scoresheet and his players and
his teams, or current events orsomething like that. And I sort of
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jokingly called it Rob's scoresheet support groupat one point because it was you know
so often that he was reaching outand and I I mean I meant the
comments sort of good naturally, aslike a sort of a joke amongst the
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three of us. But it makesme regret that I didn't put more energy
and effort into engaging him, becauseI think he certainly had more than earned,
you know, my time at thatpoint. Not that I necessarily had
anything super useful to say, butyou know, sometimes you could tell he
was just looking for a you know, he would mention, you know,
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some unlucky outcomes in the sim orsomething like that, and he's just looking
for somebody to you know, yeah, just chime in and be like,
yeah, that stinks, Like Ihate it when the secretcing breaks the wrong
way for you or whatever. AndI had chances to do that and miss
them. And I think, youknow, as I was thinking about if
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there's anything useful to take away fromsomething like this, you know, I
mentioned how universally positively he and backto people, and how that's like something
that can inspire us. I thinkthere's also at least for me personally,
and like possibly for other people.You could think of similar settings and situations
that happened to you, like Ihave a certain amount of regret about not
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engaging with him more fully and notreciprocating in a lot of ways the energy
that he put into, you know, the things that I was thinking about
or talking about or whatever, tosort of reciprocate that energy back for him
about the things that he was thinkingabout and talking about carrying about. And
you know, I definitely regret theimbalance of that creative in a relationship where
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like he was constantly giving and Iwas doing more taking than giving, and
I I should have done a betterjob of that. And so you know,
maybe that's also a thing that cancome out of this little at least
be an opportunity for people to thinkabout, like, you know, take
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that extra few a few minutes tohave that conversation with somebody about how tricks
and profile really isn't good at baseballif that's what they want to rant about
or whatever. Not that Rob woulddo that. So that's like me projecting
myself. Rob would never say anythingbad about baseball players, I don't think.
I mean, I'm sure he did, but like, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, I you know, Iconnected that, Like I feel similarly
in my own way, where youknow, you would ask questions and you
know, I would take more timeto respond than he did to ask them.
And you know, I think justin the last week we were chatting,
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we were chatting offline about not baseball, but music, which was the
two a very large degree one ofhis passions. And I think you'll see
that in a lot of reminiscences asthey I think come out on the site.
So I don't want to steal otherpeople's thunder, but I definitely,
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you know, something that was importantto him as well and is important to
me. And you know, Idon't want to cut this off prematurely,
but I did have the best thingI saw this week, which is very
you know, I just came backfrom the Carlier Jackson concert and I won't
talk about her again except to saythat, Um, you know, we
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were chatting. I was chatting withRob last week and the conversation turned to
music and he said, uh,he said to me that I'll pull up
the exact line, which I havesomewhere here, um, but that his
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obsession was in finding great female vocals, great and energetic female vocals. Um.
And uh, Jared, you knowme, I met you, Yeah,
and you know what I listened toum and energetic female vocals. Yeah
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that you know. He uh wasthe h the only person I met with
a bigger paramore fan than the twoof us, you know, and it
was just you know, which Ihave met and other people, but like
this encyclopedia knowledge of music, butI think accompanied by this joy and interest
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in like everything for like Prague tolike EDM to you know, loud music
and just putting women first, whichI definitely relate to. You know that
a lot of people talked about playliststhat he shared with them, and I
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got my first one in his lastmessage to me, you know, and
that is tough. I had thisthought then. Even now I'm like,
oh, this is somebody who I'mgoing to be talking to for a long
time about this, and you know, it is very rough to realize that
I'm not going to and that hasbeen weighing on me in the last day.
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But you know, what I guessI can do on some level is
go out to see Carly and tosee all of all of my favorite women
and meet his obsession for great femalevocals and you know, live that for
(33:23):
him to some degree in my ownway, and to be passionate about the
things that I love and hopefully sharethem with others, and that that is
to a degree, what I've takenfrom him, and hopefully y'all get to
experience that as well in your life. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I
(33:52):
don't know anyone anyone else have thingsto say. I don't want to cut
the party short here, but um, like I said, it's been a
rough day for us. We're recordingthis pretty late, but I think we
all wanted to take some time outof our day, no matter when,
for him. So yeah, um, all right, we'll be We'll be
(34:15):
back at some point with you know, the dumb stuff that we talk about
normally. I'm sure you know.I can't say when. Send us send
us your thoughts, comments, questions, scoresee at baseball perspectis dot com.
You know, if you have anythoughts on this episode that you'd like us
(34:36):
to share, we'll read them.If you want to send dumb trade questions
and like random nonsense, believe me, that is what Rob would have loved
as well, So please please sendalong. It's just anything that you have,
you know, it's it's always goodto hear from you. And like
we said, you know, wewere doing this for him to some degree
(34:57):
and to all of our lists andfor all of our listeners, and um,
you know we'll be we're down oneand we're down somebody who supported us
and entered us. Um. Butyou know we want to keep going for
everyone else and to keep him happyin some way. So uh I guess
(35:22):
with that said, um again,UM you know, uh restI is your
Rob. We'll mess you. Andyeah, I think I want to thank
you, perhaps on behalf of allowus, for all that you have given
us. Um and yeah I'll giventhis community. Yeah yeah yeah, So
(35:53):
um, thank you again for listening. Thank you to Rob, and thanks
to Benasher. Thank you both forpushing this and making this happen because it
was worth it. But on behalfof all of us, thanks again and
have a great day.
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