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Hello everyone, and welcome to theIndiana Botox Babe. My name is Doug
S and I am the host ofthis podcast. But the real expert is
Laura Shryock, who is a nursereger, nurse, a nurse injector,
and she has received her basic anadvanced degree in botox. Laura, welcome
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back to the show. Thanks Dog, I appreciate that. Ah oh,
thank you for really bringing your expertkeys into this about botox. And you
know, in the past we've talkedabout botox versus fillers, and I thought
maybe we would just kind of reallyfocus on botox and dive a little bit
deeper into that when it comes tobotox, and then in future episodes we'll
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be talking about fillers in different aspectsof botox. But you know, when
it comes to botox, we kindof touched on this last week in the
last episode about some of the differentlocations where you can have an injection in
I would assume, and I wouldask you, seeing sure the expert,
is it primarily the face that isthe one that receives the most injections or
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what I would say, Yes,historically, actually, I would say botox
was injected from the nose to theforehead, so you'll see older women where
that part looks really good, andthen, like we talked last episode,
from the nose to the chin doesn'tlook great. So the advanced training really
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gets you all over the face.I would still say botox in general,
just probably from lack of knowledge,is usually injected between the brows on the
forehead and then those crows feet therebeside the eyes is more your typical injection
points. But I think that's whywe're doing this podcast is there's so many
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questions. People think they can't affordit, they don't know how it works.
So that's kind of where we're justgoing to dive in and talk about
the different areas. Absolutely, andwe're going to talk about price a little
bit later on in the podcast.But you know, when you're talking about
locations and we'll just kind of workour way down talking with the forehead there,
you're talking about some of the differentlines that are up there, and
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you are going to help someone whenthey're making those facial expressions to determine which
ones which lines? Is that correct? Am I unsolutely? Doug cray Job,
Yes, listen, that's right,that's right. So when they come
in obviously, they get that mirrorin front of them, and I ask
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them, what what do you likeabout yourself and what you know, what
what would you like to enhance rightand make or make less of? Usually
in the case of botox, andso I usually start with you know what
they tell me. The big thingthat I think, the biggest thing you
need to know is you cannot treatthe forehead unless you treat between the browse,
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which we talked about last week.So then it gets into well how
many units is that? Well howmuch does that cost? What I have
found that I love is the subtlenatural look, which we talked about last
week. So well, let's juststart between the brows. So if we're
going to treat before between the brows, which you know called those eleven so
that one we talked about, We'regonna take some pictures and then see how
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they can grimace, write or Isay, concentration face, make that concentration
face where you can see those deeplines and wrinkles and how that muscle works.
And there's two different muscles there thatyou're treating, so you're actually relaxing
those muscles for that particular area.So I could just fix somebody's you know,
elevens or ones in that area ifthat's all they needed, So then
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you're looking at okay, somewhere betweenten units is minimum up to twenty five
units, So then you could takethat times how many dollars per unit,
which we'll get into that in alittle bit, So that could be a
fairly minimal treatment costs. Honestly.Now, if they have the fore headlines
two okay, or they just havethe fore headlines, I would still have
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to treat between the brows to treatthose fore headlines. So then you just
start adding more units, okay,and location points. Because your frontalis has
three major muscles right so center andthen both temporals above the brows, so
three different muscles, and like Italked before, when we're treating between the
brows, those muscles naturally to makethat concentration face go downward towards the nose
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right to make that RBF if theyif you want to call it that right
concentration face is a little bit nicer. But if we got the RBF going,
yes, we can we can helpthat. We can modify it.
What we want to do is relaxthe muscle naturally and I say naturally because
it's a toxin, because it's notreally natural. But when I say natural,
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that's that subtle. Right. IfI hit it with twenty five units,
that's going to freeze that muscle,okay, and then you're not going
to be able to make the RBAfor RBA face that yeah, plastic look
or a natural wherever which people yeah, they can't move their brow. Me
personally, I don't like the look. But I also have been injected with
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that many units personally and it almostdrove me a little I'm a little OCD
and it drove me a little bananasbecause I could not make that facial expression
right, like I'm telling my brainyes. So I mean, you know,
you're neurologically relaxing that muscle too muchwith if you go up into the
twenty five units at that location.So then you have the forehead muscles,
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right, we talked about the threethe frontalis. I won't try to get
into too much of the medical jargonbecause I think that's confusing, So we'll
just make it, you know,simple. And so if you're in the
forehead region, that muscle normally goesup right, like think about lifting those
brows and that surprise face. Andthen you see sometimes lines or hot dogs,
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that's what I like to call themwhen there's excessive lines. Right.
So basically what we want to dothen again still is you want to ten
ten to twenty five units across thefrontalis across the forehead to relax that muscle.
I personally like to start any newclient, even if they've had botox
before or another one of the toxins, right, because there's different ones with
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the minimal amount of units. Andthen I would like to see you in
that ten to fourteen days for theconsole so I can see what that muscle
does, because we're really doing thereciprocal right, So when we relax the
muscle, it's that forehead region isgoing to relax downward. So that's why
you have to tweet between this browseto relax upward, so you have that
happy medium so there are facial expressionsthen won't be askew and they won't look
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look for and unusual, right,yes, compared to more a natural.
And the other thing is you willwant to, if I'm understanding you correctly,
pert fewer units in because you canalways go up. It's after that
ten or fourteen day visit where youcan't come down for another two months,
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three months, three to four months, are going to have to metabolize that.
You're kind of stuck with that decision, so you can add you just
can't subtract that now in a goodrecap. When it comes to the forehead.
If you do the forehead, youhave to do in between the eyebrows,
correct, but you can come inand just do the eyebrows and their
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forehead. So just something to keepin mind for our listeners when it's important
to that well. And we'll getinto pricing too, and we talked a
little bit about that last week.If they wanted to come in basically for
the like, say they're coming intomorrow, right and they come in,
we could do between the brows andthen they really want their forehead done,
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but they've never had it done before, and you could take baby steps and
they could them in in the tento fourteen days when it's set, and
then I can do the forehead.That ten to fourteen days is not gonna
really make or break the situation becausebotux takes five to seven days to relax
the muscle. So when you leavemy office, you won't see those results
until five to seven days. That'swhy I think the console or the follow
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up is very important. So important, yes, because then you can kind
of see what where they're at.Okay, so that takes care of the
upper portion. So let's go downto the next portion, and I assume
we're gonna look at the eyes next. We're gonna touch around the eyes.
Yes, so basically the orbital remright. If we squinch your eyes tight
shut, you're going to see allthat contract in towards the eye, right,
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that whole muscle is gonna contract open. And then obviously the brows we
can also lift it up right,so you can you can actually treat the
brows. I have some clients honestlythat will come in for a couple of
reasons. They have those older eyesright where they get the skin that's coming
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down over the lids, and theywould like that to be you know,
fixed if I can, so,then we would go about treating between the
brows still, because we're gonna getthat inner lift of the inner brow,
and then we're gonna treat out thereon the outside of the brows in that
orbital rim so that they can haveand then that's just minimal. I would
always say minimal units, like I'llstart with two units or a brown,
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so very minimal, because I wantto see what that's gonna do, right,
You don't want them to look likespock. So I think that's something
that a lot of people don't know. Either. You may you may be
able to delay an eyelid surgery byby using toxin. Honestly, you may
have asymmetrical brows that bother you thatyou could come in and just I have
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a few clients, I honestly justtreat those brows to either open it up
a little bit more or one browshigher than the other. So and I'm
basically trying to find that stabilization yep, uh huh. And then that gets
to the crow's feet, right,which I'll talk a little bit about men
too, right, because that seemsto be the orbital rim right, as
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I think high on a man's prioritylist. Honestly, usually those crows feet
bother men. Sometimes the grumpy oldmen between the brows right bothers them,
which we you know, different termfor the men, right. And then
just trying to get those eye rollsup just a little bit because of the
age. So I tend to think. In my experience with my males,
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I don't have very many, rightbecause we talked about that, but they
tend to that would be their concentrationarea that bothers them most. And that's
the interesting part because we're all talkingunits at this point from a female perspective.
So all males in general are goingto metabolize faster than I mean,
that's the science than females and yeah, natural facts, So you're probably going
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to have to double those units.And again I would start with a minimal
for a male, but then increasethat as I'm following up with them and
seeing what I have there. Sothe crows feet is quite interesting. I'm
gonna make you make quite a fewfaces and usually smile real exaggerated when I'm
taking pictures and looking at that musclemovement and really looking to see where those
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lines are and how that tailors.Sometimes they'll have just a small fan right
at each outer corner of those eyes. Sometimes they'll have a large fan that
even kind of just tries to comedown into the cheek area. So you're
gonna either do like a crescent shapedamount of units, or you're gonna do
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like a v shaped like units ortriangular. It's just going to depend on
again their facial expressions. But Iusually like to stay around six to eight
minimal units per side for the crowsfeet, just to rely because that subtly
and just make that finesse a littlebit better. And Laura, this is
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going to be something you know,our listeners need to take consideration. You're
going to be looking at things,but you're going to get feedback from the
patient. So it's not just goingto be your expert Kese, because somebody
may come in and say, ah, yes, but I don't want it
to be over exaggerated or I justneed a little touch up, and so
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it's going to be a conversation aboutand forth. He comes to that relationship
absolutely, and I guess for listenersout there, that's how it should be
because I think, you know,I'm not going to go into any name
so obviously, but I think myfirst few experiences because I was injected the
first time when I was thirty nineand I'm forty five now I've just injected
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myself the last two years, andso I don't I mean, they always
told you how many units they didn'tgo into the education behind the units and
then you'd be walked with oooh,that's how much that cost? Right,
because once it went past ten dollarsunit, then you can't really quickly figure
it in your head of how muchit's going to cost. And I think
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then that's the other thing that itwasn't a lot of feedback, right.
They were the practitioner or injector,and they would just be like, this
is what you need. So whenI went out on my own, I
decided that was not how I wasgoing to practice. So I like feedback
and I have on my forms thatbasically it asked them, you know,
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what do you like and then I'mpretty much getting that mirror in their hand
as they're sitting in my seat andthen going through each but basically what we've
talked about, we go through allof those aspects so they can kind of
get and typically for most clients they'lldo the consultation and the treatment in the
same day. I would say that'sthe majority, and then some of the
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clients they'll just start with just betweenthe brows and the forehead, and then
when they come back, typically thatfollow ups, can you can you help
my eyes a little bit? Becausethen that looks well, that looks more
youthful, and they see that significantchange, and when they look in that
mirror, they're like, wow,I look I feel better because I look
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better, And it's just that's thepsyche, you know, playing tricks on
us. I would also probably saythat in a lot of cases. I
know for myself this is true forme. I'm more of a visual so
you can explain a lot of thingsto me, but until I see it,
it's hard for me to visualize that. And it sounds like that's probably
what a lot of your clients aredoing is yeah, I do what you're
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saying, but I want to seeit. And then they're like, oh,
and then let's take you to thenext one. Yes, well,
and it's in your face, sothat's always the big, big thing,
the big hesitation is you're injecting intoyour face. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
So mostly everything we've talked about sofar has been muscular. And then
before we leave the eye as Iwould just like to highlight because most people
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don't know this too. I'm justconcentrating on botox right, so we're just
relaxing. You can also treat subdernallyunder the eyes with botox So is that
like when you get the baggy eyeswe're referring to just to help, right,
exactly, good question. No,you're still the fine lines right when
we go to baggy, when weget to purple or hollowness, we're looking
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at filler. Right, You're stilltrying to fill in that that bigger gap
is what I would say. We'lltalk about that in the future episodes,
talking about fillers in terms of that. So we move from the eyes,
what's next to those? Is thatthe next area? Yes, we could
do those, right, So Isay, so, you don't really inject
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around the cheek bone with botox.You usually do the fillers for the cheeks,
And we'll get to conquering the cheeksand how those fat pads go south.
Then we have to build those cheeksback up because of the h So,
but for today's purposes, we'll goto nose for botox reasons. So
bunny nose, right, then,think about a little bunny scrunching up his
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nose. If you think about certainfacial expressions that people make, not all
people do. You could have oneline at the bridge of your nose and
it starts staying right because that's afacial expression you constantly make when you laugh
or you smile or whatever that facialexpression is for that particular person. Other
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people like myself included, it wouldbe on the outside of those bridge of
my nose when I smile, thatcrunches my nose upward and then makes those
fine little fees at the upper partof the nose closer to my eyes.
You can also relax those so thoseYeah, so you can go in there
and again, minimal units. Itwould just be two in the center or
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two on the outsides. I usuallylike to do two and then one in
one. If I see all threelines, if I just see the ones
on the side of the nose,then I just put the two on each
side. Yeah. So it justdepends on again, what they are seeing.
And sometimes that's not an initial rightYou get those lines between the brows
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gone the elevens or the one,and then they're like, oh gosh,
now my nose is really accentuated withthat line across it. Yeah. Well,
and I'm assuming that I think alot of people will obviously look at
theirself in the mirror and go,oh, for sure this and this is
an issue. But until they makesome of those faces and or see them
in a photo. Is it fairto say that some people don't even know
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because they're minimal I don't know whatI'm trying to say, but it is
their minimal view, and so it'sonly something that another person would be able
to catch because they're looking for itor to it shows up in a picture.
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Usually I am not addressing the line. Usually they're addressing, okay,
But sometimes, like I said,they'll have the previous treatment with not treating
that, so you get more smoothness, and then then I think it just
accentuates that other line. Right.So I hate to say you're chasing,
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but I always say you're gonna bechasing that right because and and to tell
them it's okay, I mean,we can still fix that, but we'll,
you know, we'll see how thislooks and then and then we'll chase
the other line. Yeah, onestep at a time, yes, yep.
So then that's gonna take us tothe lower face. Okay, we're
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gonna get into all kinds of funstuff. So well, I'm just gonna
go straight for the lips next.I think we'll just go straight, stay
center and go lips. So lipflip is something that is pretty pretty common,
especially for my younger generation. They'renot ready to start with that filler
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yet. Cost is one thing forthis the younger generation. But then also
just trying to get those lips tolook a little bit more enhanced. So
with the lip flip, you cango exaggerated, and I don't like exaggerated
members subtle and natural. We don'twant anybody looking like ducks. We want
everybody to be able to drink froma straw. So you can go just
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above the lip line I would sayin your mustache region would be the best
way for me to describe that.And you can do some units across that
muscle to kind of relax that alittle bit. But again you want to
be very very careful because you don'twant to relax that too much because that
affects the smile and affects your abilityto make those lips perst to talk,
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to smile, to drink from astraw. Okay, you can also treat
the lower lips again, down inthat lower region center and then just to
each side. I always say,make a kissing face. So when you
make the kissing face, then Ican see where we can inject. Now
that's a just enhance, right kindof maybe they say lip flip, right,
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so you get a little bit morelip there, so that when you're
putting on your lip liner or yourlipstick, then you have a volumized appearance.
But also I have some my olderladies, before they would start the
filler, they would be like,can you get rid of my smoker lines?
Now they may have smoked, theymay not have smoked, but that's
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usually I would say the layman's termof where those lines are at, and
you can you can go in therewith that toxin and you can just relax
that a little bit to help withthat, and then you get into age,
right, and everything's going south withgravity, and then the lips starts
turning down and frowning down. Youcan also treat the depressor muscles, which
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is basically what we talked about withthe puppet and the marionette lines. There's
a depressor muscle that runs from thecorner of the outside of the mouth down
to the tin bone, and soyou'll I'll make them make all kinds of
expressions there. I usually I wantyou to clench your teeth and I want
you to pull everything down in adroopy fashion. So I can feel those
muscles because there's two different depressor muscles. One that's going to help the smile
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go up and one that's going tohelp the smile go down. You don't
want to get in the wrong line, so you basically you can get minimallyits
there and try to turn that frown. I don't like to turn it upside
down because you don't want to looklike a joker, right, And that's
the best way I can say inRominster. You just want to bring it
back to neutral, so be lateralto the lips, and so that would
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be something where you could treat thebotox. You can treat gummy smiles if
you have somebody that smiles. Whenthey smile, a lot of the upper
gum shows, you can go inand relax to the outside of the nose
just above that mustache line to treatthere. And I think some people don't
realize that you can do that ifyou have an older lady. So everything
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in the cheeks go south, butthe chin starts turning up. And if
you because guys will be walking aroundlooking at people now because I'm not being
descriptive, but if the chin startsturning up, you can actually do a
couple of units in the center ofthe chin muscle just to kind of relax
that down a little bit so thatwe get that more pointed, youthful look
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that we used to have until itstarted turning up. And then that leads
us to pretty much the jaws,right, You can actually instead of filling
the jaw line, you can dothe massiters. So people treat their massiters
for TMJA for pain, which wetalked about that last time, but you
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also can treat the massiters to geta slimming effect that jawline. So you
can kind of and I hate tosay this, but like older ladies sometimes
get that more bulldog looking effect wherethey have those cheeks that went south and
they have gels. So if thatif you can palpate that massiter and it's
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nice and taut and it's big rightand visible there in that lower cheek area,
you could treat that massiter and thenthat is expensive. So then I
always try to give you variations ofthe toxins and price per unit because that's
going to help you to help,yes, because yeah, because then I
mean, at a minimum, torelax that massive muscle would be sixteen units
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per side, So then you're lookingat thirty two units, which I could
typically do between the brows, theforehead and your crow's feet for thirty two
units. Wow, okay, andthen the right one. So you're basically
and that whole basically from the noseto the forehead treatment for the same amount
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of money that you're just treating thosethose massatters. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So but if you're in pain,it's a big one, right, they'll
come in. I just had aclient last week. She got her jaw
got locked, and so she hada lot of inflammation and a lot of
discomfort on her right hand side.And so she was like, oh my
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god, you can do that,And so she thought she was going to
have to go to Indy and I'mlike, oh no, no, I'm
certified to do yeah, cert ifI so made her make some faces,
marked her face and we started thesixteen units, so we should know by
this week. You know that she'sfeeling a little bit better and not as
intense, because again you're just relaxingthat muscle, so it's not so taut.
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Doesn't really help the inflammation. Youknow, she's still taking her approxen
and doing some light exercising stretching ofher jaw muscle. But yeah, well,
you know, we'll talk about pricehere in just a few minutes.
But when it comes to you know, pain and relief, it's like a
migraine. Sometimes a migraine, I'massuming a lot of our listeners at a
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headache or a migrant you'll pay apretty penny just to have that relief.
And I can't imagine with the jawor if we talked a little bit about
sweat glands getting that injection, becauseit's whether you're going for a job interview
or you're just around people. Youdon't want to give that negative impression even
though there's nothing that you're doing wrong. It's just a medical condition it is,
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and paying the extra bit can helpwith that, you know. Lord.
One thing that we talked just brieflyabout last week is and I think
it's important for your for the audienceto know that doctor Leash Leach is a
leech. Doctor Leech Ronald Leach.He is the one that you're working under.
If you will, and can youjust again kind of elaborate what he
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is doing. I understand that you'reat a point now that he doesn't have
to check every patient, but heis checking a portion of your patients for
yes, so he has to meeta percentage of my patients because they're his
patients. So think about scope ofpractice where all my scripts come through doctor
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Leech. He has to sign offon all my paperwork. So every person
that goes through there, he's seeingwho the person was, what their history
was, how I treated them,and he's signing off, yes, they've
been treated and under his care reallyin essence to stay within our scope of
practice. He also has four othernurses that are underneath of him, so
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I always tease him and say hehas his harem. So he has his
harem, but he typically he'll tryto stop in once a month or once
every other month when I have clientsjust to sign the paperwork. And then
we usually try to schedule it whenI have a consult so that he can
at least meet the person then.But usually we do all basically a Google
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team so that he can get onand just meet the client, ask him
what they're what, you know,what services their treatments they're looking for that
day, And he's always really goodabout asking for feedback. You know,
I asked it, he asked it. But the great part about that is
just allowing the client to tell youwhat they what they love, and what
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they don't love, you know whatI mean, Which at this state in
the game, two years in,we have got more positive. Honestly,
I could say I have one personand I'm not sure I could have ever
given gotten a positive feedback out ofher. But really just one person.
You know, it's hard to makeher happy and I struggled to try to
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do that, but everybody else hasbeen very positive well, And I think
it's just important to let the audienceknow that you're that you're not after yourself.
You have a medical team if youwill, as a doctor, and
you know, obviously you have thecredentials you're a nurse. You also have
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advanced certification to be able to dothis, but also there's just that layer
of protection and making sure that thecustomer feels relaxed in their great hands,
right, And usually I start everyconsult that way is basically, you know,
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this is who I am, thisis how long I've been a nurse,
this is what certifications I went toget, and I continually take training
courses like I just went, yeah, I geek out on it for sure.
Well, and I'm assuming like everythingelse, technology is changing their fullys
in advancement or a new product.Yes, yeah, and you need to
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be hearing that so you have agood understanding of what's there and then you're
able to use your expertise and experienceand we're gonna keep doing it this way
or yeah, maybe there is abetter, quicker, cheaper way of doing
so, oh yeah, for sure. I think as far as time today,
I would like to hit just onfrom the nipple line up with the
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botox and then maybe close out justfor for time and then catch you next
time for pricing and the different typesof toxins, so that way they can
kind of know what to ask foror what the difference is. So most
people don't know that they could treattheir their neck the chicken neck, right,
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So again I'm just gonna talk abouttoxin. But if you have necklace
lines, so we're gonna call themnecklace lines, so then they basically go
across the neck, or if youhave the long corded necklines, you can
treat any either one of those withbotox. So if that's something that you
fill as your focal point, thatbothers you that's something that could be treated,
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and then the deck letee and Ioften get oh, I didn't that's
what that was called. Oh,I didn't know you could treat that.
In going into the summer months,this is an important area. I think
for some women they're wearing more vnecks, more tank tops, swimsuits,
and you can go in and treatthe declatae. So the neck and the
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declatae are all subdermal, just likeunder those eyes. So you're not treating
a muscle, You're just treating thelines. So you would just do your
patterns based on the lines. Okay, So I think that would maybe conclude
you know, botox in general asfar as relaxing the muscle versus relaxing subdermally.
You know, I know we're gettingclose on time, but I do
have one last question too, justfor people to parner. So when they're
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going in, whether it's coming into see you or somebody else, are
there some questions that they should bethinking about and asking when they go in
for this meeting. Are there justa few things that people should, you
know, maybe be asking or thinkingabout when they're when they're thinking about having
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the procedures done. Absolutely, Iwould ask like how long they've been injecting.
I would ask you know what certificationsthat they have? Who their doctor
is would be a nice one,just so that you you know, knew
who your medical team was. Maybeyou would know locally who that was right,
which would help out a little.It's not negative, but that will
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let you know. And then alsowhat products they cover or Carrie, and
I think the big one is youneed to know because I have so many
clients come in and they don't knowwhat they were injected with or how many
units they were injected with. They'llknow what roughly the area they're injected right
because the needle went in, butthey have no idea. So I'm big
on I think you you need toeducate yourself and ask the questions if you're
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if your injector is not doing thatfor you. And then also just know
that there's after care right after care, so when you're doing your appointment,
you know, I want you towork your facial muscles for your after care.
I don't want you to manipulate thefacial muscle, so I just want
you to make all those facial expressionsto work that in whenever you think about
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it right after your injection, Sothe next three to four hours after your
injection, if you could just orinto the evening, work those facial muscles
when you think about it, andthen when you wash your face that night,
do it gently and pat dry.And then I always say it's not
a contraindication, but I don't wantyou to increase your heart rate because then
you're going to metabolize product that youpaid for. So twenty four hours,
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I say, no hot toab,no strenuous exercise, just to get you
through. And then we don't wantyou to lay flat for four to six
hours because we want that talx andto stay exactly where we put it and
set in before it would start basicallytraveling. Yeah, I don't want Yes,
we don't want it to travel.We want it to stay exactly where
we put it. Ye. Yeah, But I think that's great because you
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don't want to come in at likeseven o'clock at night, right right,
and surely your injector wouldn't do that. But that's something you know, educating
wise, just you you won't beable to go to sleep until eleven,
yeah, or maybe midnight, anddepending on how long the injector turkey.
Right, yeah, so just knowingwhat the rules are you well yeah,
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loose, well where I know,we just basically hit the tip of the
iceberg when it comes to botox,and because of time, we're gonna have
to cut it off here. Butagain, why don't you tell the audience
how they can get a hold ofyou? Okay, So, Indiana botox
Babe on Facebook or Instagram. Myname's Laura Shryock and you can also text
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me at eight five nine five onetwo five three four one and my salon
hours are based on your schedule,so I schedule by appointment. I'm at
Chezemy Salon on Walbash and Tarahood,Indiana. Well again, Laura, thank
you for coming on and talk alittle bit about this, and remember everybody
check out Indiana Boatox Babe and makesure you make your appointment, give her
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a call and be able to getin there for a consultation to see how
you can get started. All right, Well, thank you, thank you,
thank you for listening to this episodeof the Indiana Boatos Babe. We'll
see you next week.