Episode 7 - Around The Mouth

In this episode, we talk about Around the Mouth.

Episode Transcript

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Hello everyone, Welcome back to anotherepisode of The Indiana Botox Babe. I'm
doudcast one of the co hosts ofthis podcast, but the real star or
the real Indiana Botox Babe is LauraShryock and she is not only a registered
nurse, but a BSN and alsohas their dual certification in Botox injectibles injectibles

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even better in terms of Laura.Welcome to episode seven that we have titled
around the Mouth. That's right.So we ended up the last episode with
all about the lips, so we'regonna kind of work our way around.
So let's say, blow the noseand down right. Yeah, that's right.
So we're just going to kind ofWe've already talked about pretty much all

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of those neurotoxins with the botox andhow we can change that up. So
by time you get to this pointaround the mouth, you know, I've
already assessed did the cheeks need tobe lifted back up? Where we and
the process, So then we wouldbe just talking about what filler could I
use multi purposely so you get themost bang for your buck typically is what

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I always tell you. Now,remember the Radis merch product is a calcium
bicarbonate, and that's a really niceone. If those lines around the mouth,
or I shouldn't say around the mouth, because it's not indicated for the
lips at all. So we're gonnasay so, if you have those nice
lines when you smile and they staywhen you're not smiling, from the corner

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of your nose to the corner yourmouth, which we're called the nasy O
labial folds, radius would be agreat filler for that. You can also
use any of your juveni ultras UltraPlusor even that vibella Like I said,
if we use those on the lipsand we have extra in that syringe and
those lines bothered you too, we'lljust move around there. So but the

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radis in particular cannot be used onthe lips, so that's where you use
that for the cheeks. And thenif you had those nasy labial folds or
marionette lines which Mary Knights lines gofrom the corner of the mouth down towards
a chin, we can all fillin with those things to make those lines
less visible and turn that clock backlike it looks when it used to.

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And when you see those lines,you're typically filling the line, but you're
doing kind of a fan. SoI'm gonna kind of hold up my four
fingers, which you guys can't see, but think about a fan if you
were actually finding one injection point,and we're gonna use the palm of your
hand as you see your center ofyour injection point, and then you're gonna
go up through each of those fourfingers that you're holding up in a small

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portion of where that line is.That's what you're doing because you're trying to
fill the area. If I justfill the line sometimes, right, it's
not giving that full effect or thatfan effect of that area. To fill
in that line, you're kind ofbuilding up around it, right and again
more artistic to try to fill thatline and make it visibly look smoother and

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flatter. So you do fill theline, but you're also kind of gonna
fill around it. And again dependson how big the groove is, which
how much product you're using. Ifyou're doing the nasy alabial fold line from
the corner of your nose to thecorner of your mouth, so and again
use the same technique for that withthe two products. And then if you

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have you know that frowned. Startingright, we can fill in a little
bit around those those those lines forthe marionettelines. And some people will have
like a puppet marin neatlines where itgoes straight down from the corner of the
mouth to the to the chin.And then other people, you know,
may just have just like a quarterinch line, right that's just kind of

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right there beside the corner of themouth that's going down where that they're like,
can you get rid of that?And then other people will have,
you know, close to dimple linesthat they'll have dimple lines. We're going
to have to kind of fill inthe dimple lines, but again we always
get that mirror in front of them. And then usually in the process,
right, we've already talked about allthe other things, and we've already done

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the neurotoxins, and we're just we'vebuilt into this, right, we build
up to this process. Yeah,well, sounded like to me just a
second ago when you were starting thatwe've started this podcast, uh this evening
in our recording that there are differenttypes of fillers that you may or may
not recommend based on the situation inthe look that you're going for, is

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that is that correct presentation, right, the look you're going for, and
then also in indications, so whatthe product insert is indicated for. So
you have to bear in mind thatthe FDA approves this, and they will
label that as basically for deep deepmariet lines or fold from the corner of

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the nose to the corner of themouth, and then they'll label them for
lips off label right, which isradius is more variable. But then you
can't even do anything around the lipswith this, So you have to kind
of look at that overall picture andkind of walk through exactly what that treatment

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plan looks like step wise, andthen we start talking about which one would
be the most bank for their buckthat's going to give them what they're looking
for. Can you mix and match, well, yes, so on the
the Juveiter, Ultra and UltraPlus andthe vibella. See I can do those

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nasy alabia fold lines in those marionettelinesand the lips. You could do all
of that, but you have tothink, then if I'm going with that
big consistency, right, we'll gothicker consistency. So if you're going an
Aulter and UltraPlus, it's got alittle bit more thickness to that filler consistency.
So then you do you want yourlips to fill that that thick do

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you want to If you want yourlips to be softer and that's your main
area of concern, then I wouldprobably take you juveter Vabella or the Mertz
Belata, which is that soft supplehair gel like consistency, so you have
that nice smoothness of those lips,and then say, okay, these fine
lines are gonna be you know,filled in. I can't build anything with

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that, right because it's not enoughconsistency. Right, we talked about the
copying of the shower and that thickerconsistency just to try to give you that
visual. You have to have theconsistency to build if that line or groove
or crevice even sometimes that's I mean, that's the case. Sometimes I have
a you know, what can youdo with this? Laura? That's why

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I always say, you know,sometimes they don't think about it, but
where I would I say, weneed to pull the cheeks up. Well,
I already feel like I have likebigger cheeks. And then I say,
well, are we talking about thejowls? Are we talking about the
cheekbones, right, because that's twodifferent things. Like that is the cheek
area. But you have to thinkand I usually have to describe and I'll

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kind of pinch if you think aboutwhere women put on their blush or rouge
right on the cheekbones, that wouldbe the area would pinch and kind of
pull up and show them. Right, if I add a filler in here,
Look how much lift you're getting.Right. Look at the difference in
that Marionette line and that late nasylabia line. And sometimes I'm not taking

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the line completely away with the cheekfiller. I'm just helping those shadows and
that overlap, right, and thenyou're taking then what we just talked about,
those other fillers, and you're fillingin with those. So you're actually
no, depending on the product.Yeah, but the cheek product. If

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I did Rady, yes, obviouslyI could just go fill their cheeks and
then take the rest of it andfill those nasy olabia folds and those small
lines you know below the lips.Yeah, so you could use that web
product all over as long as theydon't anything that with the lips, right
and so right, So that's whyyou've got to be certified and go to
training and get this because there couldbe some side effects if you would,

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well, exactly, you you're notgoing to love the way those look at
all, right if you if you'reusing something more like consistency and you have
a hard lip, and then youget into even your partners, right,
they'll we talked about that on aprevious podcast. Those lips are sensual,
they're supple. We you know,hopefully like to kiss our partners. Sure,

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I mean I'll have negative feedback menot not me personally, but like
the way. Yeah, and thenit takes that much. It takes way
longer to metabolize that thicker consistency offiller than it does the thinner consistency of
filler. So we kind of gotoff tangent with the lips again. But
yeah, they're they're not universal.I can't just one syringe and be like,

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okay, stick it everywhere now,is exactly. I think that Allergan
and the jutan dermal filler products havepretty much tried to allocate like different areas
of the face that you could getthat overall picture. Now, as far
as marketing of you know, eachsyringe, how they process that, I

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have no idea where Mertz, Ithink, is a smaller company that's trying
to get its name out there moreand their marketing and their products are are
a little bit more universal when itcomes to their fillers and their their g
factors are a little bit more sowhen I talk about that, that gets
in a whole other topic. Butrealm that I maybe lose my audience unless

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you're in the medical field. Butyou also want to think about the calcium
bicarbonate fillers versus the hyaluronic acid fillersand think about what kind of rejuvenation that
you can get from that. Andthen when I say also that the radius
is a little bit more universal,it can be diluted. Different areas can

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be dilute. You can use adilution equation for those. So if they
have like the more creepy skin andI'm trying to get more glassy, I
can use the radius strench just likeit comes from the manufacturer and fill in
my grooves and lines. But thenif I'm still not where I need to
be right, I need to builda little bit of jaw line. I

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need to kind of finesse those cheeksbecause when they smile like it's just lining
right, and I can't get thatoverall smooth effect. You can dilute.
And so if you dilute and you'reactually not using a needle. So all
the time that we've been talking aboutusing a needle, I would be using
a canula. So what is acanula. Canula is a blunt tip that

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looks like a needle, but it'slong and it's flexible. So I would
use a needle to pick my pinpointon the best location that I'm going to
get that gets the best bank formy back right, So I would actually
make a puncture hole for my canulato insert. Because remember I said it

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has a blunt tip. So ifyou think about like a real flexible fishing
rod, okay, but it's smoothand it has different holes in it that
it's actually going to be pull you'regoing to injecting the diluted solution in so
you mix it with light. Again, they have hyperdlute or I guess,

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recommendations on how to dilute for differentareas, and so you can go in
with a blunt tip canula and you'regoing you're going in just a little bit
deeper than what you would do forthe regular needle injections, right, and
so but you're getting that more smootheffect and you're covering more ground. So

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the canula also is about twice aslong, right as what that needle is.
And then you also have less riskhonestly of hitting any major vessel or
vein because you have a blunt tip. So you're going through the different planes
of the of the skin, right, and you're actually going through there and
just smoothing out that surface from underneath. And I'm trying to kind of come

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up with something I could use analogywise, so I haven't come up with
that yet. See if this helps. Yeah, So if you took a
straw, yes, and poked abunch of holes in it, and then
it would be no different than ifyou could obviously this is bigger than you
would slide that into the skin underneaththe skin right between those layers. And
then when you inject your solution rightin there, it's going to seep out

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through those holes right and fill in, yes, compared to just having a
more precise point with the needle.Well, and it comes out at the
end, so you're still as youinject any type of filler, you're still
you get where you're going. Basicallyfor the length of the of the needle

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or canula, you get where you'regoing, and then as you never inject
until you're coming out, so youkind of make the tunnel. Okay,
so like you said, straw,but like you make the tunnel, and
then you kind of gradually you're watchingas you're pulling that out of the of
the skin, gradually watching how that'sfilling. Right, So you're you're creating

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your base right or your your tunnels, and then you're massaging those through to
keep to get that smooth effect overall. So you know, and that's a
little bit. I wouldn't say it'snewer. I think it's just more of
a technique that people have trouble gettingcomfortable with because that's not usually what they

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how they train you initially. Well, but I've watched, yeah, I've
watched several different trainings, and asfar as safety, I'm like, this
is definitely the road I want togo go and and work at. So
I've only done one so far inthe training course, so I'm kind of

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interested to get in there and anddo more so that I can. Is
that something somebody would have to askor you would, I would recommend,
recommend, recommend for sure, andthen that gets into with the dilution factor.
You know, I can then doway more from we talked about cheeks,

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the lower cheek area where a lotof people are not hitting right,
they're not giving that whole effect.And then you know it's safe then on
that whole jaw line, so thatyou can kind of reconstruct that jaw line
and make that jaw line look smoothagain. You know we talked about with
the older ages, it doesn't becomecome straight across and point to the chin

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anymore. So then you know,you could do one to two injections with
that canula. I say injections becauseI make that make the injury hole,
right, So you make the injuryand then you you're just again making the
tunnels within that same entry point,so you don't have as many areas of

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bruising honestly that you would have ifyou had to like inject. And then
again the risks because think about asharp object versus the blunt tip object.
So I mean overall, I thinkthat's where we're gonna go. Yeah,
we're going to gore, yeah,yeah, And I think again radius being

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that universal filler. I think it'sgoing to get big, but because it's
newer, right, you're just notthere yet. It's not there yet,
So it's gonna get there. Andthen they even I mean they've already they've
already started it and they have allof the dilutions for your neck, to
which your neck is a huge areathat's hard to treat. And if you
look at a majority of the populationthat's forty and up, they've not done

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anything with the neck, right right, Yeah, I mean they're basically their
nose to their hairline looks. Youknow, it's maintained well because boat talks
started and neurotox has started in thatarea, and then we started graduating with
those fillers and the toxins from basicallythe nose to the to the chin.

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And so we're just slowly getting tothat point where you know, now we're
treating the neck and adding all inthat whole. Like I talked about that
whole when you when you take aportrait, right, it's the whole portrait,
not just pieces, uh that yourdisect well, And something that I

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had no idea about that I've learnedthrough talking with you in these episodes is
botox is just not the face,but it's the body. Yeah. Yeah,
And I never really thought about theneck area. Oh yes, but
it is something that is visual.People will see yep in terms of that,

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and it takes a lot of wearand tear, for lack of a
better word. It's still getting someexposure absolutely environmental. I mean all those
things that you know, the facegets that we don't think about. Oh
it's it's just now turning warm outside. I don't need sun block, right,
you know. And then I honestlythink about I think about most of

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my ladies and my friends or evenme. Until I hit forty, I
was not applying any facial products,any sun block, right, even in
my in my makeup to the bodyto protect my neck. Yeah right,
I did my face right off theback of your neck, you would do,

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you know, men more more sothan women usually our hair is down.
But that initial couple first hot dayshere in Indiana, we don't we
are not doing Yeah, I'll behonest, I did not realize how in
depth. Yes, I keep sayingbotoxic, and that's kind of a everybody

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knows that word, and that issomething that is not a it's a brand
and not a procedure, right,And I think that is something that is
even hard for me after doing here. We are our seventh episode and I
still get caught up in that terminology. That's incorrect, that's right, yes,

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well, and that's and and peopleI mean, honestly, they'll say
they want their lips filled, butthey have no idea, you know,
or even what that entails. Sothat's kind of again why we want this
podcast. So you can have thateducation and have a basis of what's that
going to feel like, what's thatgoing to look like, what are the

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different options that I have. Again, you need to have an injector that
knows that so that they can guideyou the right way. And and just
know that those all of those fillers, you know, not all the ones
that I've talked about on here,are semi permanent, so they can all
be diluted out if need be.So that's the I mean, I guess

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the biggest thing, know what whatyou got when you got it, and
make sure you know your injector andtheir credentials for that. But I think
as far as with the dermal fillers, as far as net goes, your
radys is the one I would recommendand to dilute that to do the neck,

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because then you can get again thatfan motion and you can help with
those thum wrinkles in the neck forthe ladies that are like, oh right,
I didn't go there was such athing which we talked about the hands,
and I think again people not knowingthat they could, you know,
use the filler in the hands,because if you think about your population of
your older ladies that are in theirfifties and sixties mostly sixties, they think

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they're past right helping those areas,so they may look as useful as they
can. And then there's just thathand and neck problem area like we talked
about, Dolly pardon like that.You can finesse that also, so then
you get that whole overall, youknow, look, look well and not

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and feel and it makes them feelbetter about themselves. And then there's not
different areas that were neglected either,so you get the whole picture, you
know, you get the whole pictureof a little bit younger version and not
just certain areas. Yeah, forsure. Yeah, it's it's amazing what

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technology, yes, science, allthese things have come up with that can
enhance or or just make us feelmore youthful because you know as well as
I do, if you look inthe mirror and you see somebody that looks
more youthful, then it makes you, for some reason feel more youthful.
Well, yeah, absolutely, it'sit's a psychological aspect. It's like going

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into a job interf If you lookthe part you're you're probably going to be
more optimistic going in and you're goingto feel good about it. But picking
the right off it, that's exactlyright. It makes you feel comfortable,
so you're confident. And that's that'sthe same thing with your with your face
and your neck, your hands andyour legs, in your arms and everything.

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Is that it's such an important Well, it's for your mental health too,
I would agree exactly for sure.Well, and I take myself back
to that very first time that Iwas going to get injections, and of
course my husband will thanks for throwingme under the bus here, but he
was like, why would you dothat? And you look beautiful the way

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you are? Right We started thaton the first podcast, Yes, right,
but it was not about him.It was about what I felt and
how that kind of just changed.It's not vanity, it's just trying to
change your perspective on the aging process, like I would love to age gracefully.

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That's I'm going to fight at everystep of the way. Most I
think of society now is feeling thesame way for sure, and there are
methods that are healthy, legal,safe in order to do that. Is
it for everybody? I would probablyargue, no, right, it's not
for everybody, but it's at leastif that's something you want to explore.

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There are options out. There areoptions, and I think, like we
talked about with the neurotoxins and evenwith the fillers, think about you know,
oh I can't afford this, Ithink most of my people are surprised
that they can't afford it. Andeven if they think, oh gosh,
that's that's nine dollars for that syringe, that's that's too expensive. It lasts

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for when we talked. I guesswe didn't really talk about that on this
current episode. But your fillers usuallymost indications for your fillers, so their
inserts are going to say they're goingto last for eight to twelve months.
I think on the lips maybe notquite as much. Honestly, just because
we talk and we eat and rightwith the lips. It's being used.

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I'm going to metabolize it. Thinkabout you know, metabolizing and exercise.
It's kind of the same concept.It's being used. So then you're I
don't think it holds quite as long, honestly, but those cheeks and the
fillers, that lasts longer. SoI always tell them how much the syringes.
Go ahead and divide it by eightmonths or twelve months, and how

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much are you spending per day?Are you worth it? Right? So
it's it's the treating yourself. Ithink that they they think, oh,
and then I think that others.That's another aspect. I think the younger
generation thinks I need this, Iwant this, right. I guess maybe
they don't need it, but theywant it, so then they don't,

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right, They think they need itand they go after it. And then
you get into my generation, well, I really think thirties and forties.
Honestly, you have most people havekids, and they feel guilty for spending
the money on themselves. So Ialways, you know, say, I
always said I need a vacation frommy children to be a better mom.

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I kind of feel it the sameway you need and not just with what
I'm doing, right, I'm notnecessarily solemn on that, but you need
to do things for yourself that makesyou feel more youthful, that makes you
turn that clock back, whether that'sexercise or this what what's gonna be your
key right to make you feel moreyouthful because you're gonna be a better person

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and probably better mom. Right ifyou're not grumpy about what you look like
when you get up in the morning, right, or spouse right. And
I think men in general maybe arenot quite as vain as when we've had
that conversation. I'm not stereotyping asquite as vain, but there are some
that they think, oh, Ican't do that. And again I don't

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typically numb for the neurotoxins, butI can't. I will I have for
people who do. And I thinkthat's kind of a For my male clients,
that's probably the biggest thing, likeis it gonna hurt? And can
I tolerate it? And how canyou make it feel better? So for

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them, I think, and Imean I know for the ones I have
personally, I do all the measuresthey have, the little vibrator that they
put on the pressure points on theirwrists, I do the numbing cream,
UH do the ice packs prior toI do it all. And then I
have one particular one he brings inhis stress ball and he has stress ball

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and he's squeezing the stress ball whileI'm doing it. So that's that's the
biggest thing I think for the menthat I have that are babies. Yes,
it was my my example, sothat we go from that. You

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always have to set the bar highagainst me, but that kind of concludes
in a hole. We went throughall of the dermal fillers that I carry
and gave you probably the best educationon that. So I think we're going
to kind of maybe briefly talk aboutfeedback I got from my clients. What

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else could they do? Right,That's a big thing that I get asked
very frequently, and initially, honestly, I didn't have a very good answer.
So I had to do a lotof research and just kind of dig
in on how to treat that bodyon the inside. And it's interesting enough
what I came up with a solutionis very all natural in comparison, if

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I'm going to do apples and orangesof what I do on the outside,
right, So I love the comboeffect for me personally, and most of
my people that do both the alternative, which we'll get to get to,
they do the combo. So we'lldo the neurotoxins and the fillers and they'll

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do the alternative. I can tella difference. Well, yeah, so
it gives it gives options for myclients to just go the alternative route,
right, and they want to saymore natural and they just can't, right,
And there's probably a handful or certainpercentage that says it's natural, which
is fine, And we're not pickingon anybody. Everybody has there his or

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her own. But I'm doing it. I feel like I'm doing the best
that I can do with with myeducation and how to help people if I'm
knowledgeable about both, right, andthen all that's marketing for me, right,
marketing one on one is I'm coveringa bigger clientele. Yeah, so
we'll get into that absolutely. Well, Laura, I know we're getting closer

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on time. Maybe uh, justtell the audience how they can get a
hold of you and all right,So I currently work at Sham Salon and
that's SPA in Terrohote, Indiana,and you can text or call me at
eight five nine, five one twofive three four one. And on social
media, you can go to mypersonal profile which is Laura Shryock on Facebook

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or Instagram or LinkedIn, or youcan go to Indiana Botox Babe on Instagram
or Facebook. Absolutely, and herewe are in the month of May,
and so as we talked in someprevious episodes, make sure that you plan
accordingly. Yes, here we area wedding season. We're also in graduation.

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And don't expect to call Laura ona Thursday or Friday and ask for
to work a miracle for Saturday.That's right, because it doesn't work that
way. No, I mean youwant to look fresh. Obviously those talksins
Botox and ZM in which I carryyou're going to need the five to seven
days, I say ten to fourteen. Give me ten to fourteen. If

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it's the very first time you doit, say allow a month so that
we can get you where you needto be, have you exactly where you
want, and then you're the bestyou can look. And then if we're
adding the dermal fillers, that's gonnagive me some extra time. Again,
that's instant with the dermal fillers.But you need that little extra healing time

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just in case you would, Bruce. So that's what I would always tell
you, so plan accordingly, Laura. Great talking to you again. I'm
hard to believe that we're already inepisode seven, and thanks for coming on
and spending some time with us.Thanks to appreciate it. Thank you.
We'll talk to you soon, okay,