Cruz Azul fue campeón gracias al penal de Comizzo | Carlos Hermosillo | Todos con Toño

Bienvenidos a Toño De Valdés, en esta ocasión, Carlos Hermosillo nos confiesa lo que pasó en aquella final entre León y Cruz Azul de 1997 y todo sobre vida dentro de las canchas.

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My career is that it' sa little strange, because it was a
dream, because I idealized it andbecause I bused it regionally. I was
talking about his brother, on theway, Hugo Sanchez or what the presentations
were like at IFLAL And if Iwas excited and I said I have to
be there one day, yes andlook today' s edition at Tremergley,

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and that' s where my storystarted in America. That' s where
Chaney was playing. I said hereI have a chance. I' m
gonna grow up. I' vegot sideboards, you' re not having
a good time, you' reeither us or you' re forgetting Belgium
or you' re better off leavingbecause you' re giving da. But
I' ve never forgotten myself.The liberator is Samuel' s goal that

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I had to mark, that theyare not America with America and that eliminates
us. Yeah, hey fucking essentials. What we need is stuff. To
me one day when they opened meup at a lion' s game cleaning
me with toilet paper, not güeyand they picked me up there güey.

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Friends, how are you all welcomewith toño and today Caray we are of
course. Today it is a greathonor to receive the top scorer in the
history of Mexican football. Speaking ofMexicans, of course, Carlos Hermosillo is
with us just behind the cabiño.By the way, speaking in general,
Carlos Hermosillo is telling Charlie How niceto tell you Camiño that Atlanticist, Atlanticist,

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maybe you were so by mistake chardyfirst of all, a hug and
this condolences, of course, toyou to the whole family. Thanks for
your dad. Thank you It's always a difficult situation It' s
always time. Well, I'll rest. Yes, blessed, God,
you' ve rested, blessed.It was necessary. It was many

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years of suffering. It' sa disease that we all rest. That
' s good, Cherry, that' s good. On that side,
it' s always a shame andalways a pain. Hey, Carlos tell
me why Carlos Hermosillo became that greatscorer that Carlos Hermosillo had as a footballer,

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who made so many goals and,besides, made them in all the
teams that he arrived in, because, suddenly, there are some players that
change teams and like it costs themwork and to you the other way around,
you keep putting goals and goals.And I' m saying, and
you' ve gone the old standardand you' ve gone to America too,

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and you' ve kept hitting goals. Why carlos, the pocket put
so many goals, How curious toñobecause I came when I came here I
was thinking about it. And it' s my career. It' s
a little strange, because it wasa dream, because I idealized it and
because I looked for it. ButI had only something, a virtue for

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the position that was important, whichis to know, to be in the
moment to goal with the knee,with the ankle, the joke that the
ball hit. That was my virtue, because technically I wasn' t a
gambler. To me, no onetaught me how to get a ball that
if I hit him by throwing thebody in front, the ball was going

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to go out to the east.I didn' t have those teachers.
Then, at first, when Iarrived in America, it cost me a
lot of work. King, Idon' t remember you telling me how
you made so many bitter goals andyou in the selection bounced off your ball
and you were right. He said, yes, because he knew how to

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be there, he would put themin his head, too, and he
would nod, yes, yes.I know. Then I was a player
who left like this little by little. I understood how to improve and how
to become a better player and howI knew what my virtue was. I
' ve always worked it, I' ve always been a very disciplined,

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overly disciplined people, and I alwaysliked to get used to seeing the ball
in LaBrie. Then I had totrain a lot. Cast off, cast
off on one side of the other, and then I was teamed up with
this team of work, that is, I conformed to a team of work
on me twenty- seven years ago. But I was saying I have to

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make it 100% concentrated on thecourt, which is very difficult, because
our mind is flying. No,right now, we can be talking and
you might be thinking that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'
d say it' s seconds youlose or a goal or you get a
gor then I' ll hire amental trainer. Then I said my feeding,
because sometimes I would get up aftertraining all week. All right,

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I got up sloppy. For meit was basic this my legs feel strong.
If I got up with my legs, you felt them so they weren
' t right. It was aday. It wasn' t a good
day for me then a people forfood. Then I hired a physical preparer

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to help me with the subject offlexibility. Because of my height, I
' m doing muscle work. Ifyou magazines my career I didn' t
have. So one thing I didis I knew the whole environment that was
going to surround me to make aball stand, but I didn' t
know them anything else as they livedwhat they thought. I mean, I
got a lot into their lives fromeach of them. So, to me

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it was that. I was alreadyvery easy, because I knew, for
example, sage and overflowed on theleft side. I knew where I was
going to throw the ball and shewas showing up or Zamora, or the
chep or Benjamin or but duan youunderstand. Then I think I was born
with that virtue. Fortunately, becauseI started playing goalkeeper for Miguel Marín Aha

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and was your idol was my survivor. Aha in peace. I rested,
but I got five goals a dayand I said no, this is not
my thing and I went forward.But I think it has a lot to
do with this, knowing what yourvirtue is, what your talent is so
that you can exploit the best andimprove on all your deficiencies. Right now,

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you talked about the amateur selection.Look, I met you right in
the amateur team. I saw youthere for the first time in a concentration.
There in the sedon you are concentratedand I remember perfect and there was
already talk of Carlos Hermosillo. Obviously, nothing had happened professionally. You were

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a kid. It was a chavitochavito, because that was the time where
there was a ferdate that existed andto the youth selection, which was of
professional games and the previous selection,which was cast by the government today by
the Olympic Committee, which is theone that competed in the Games Solimpico exactly,
exactly and I don' t knowif you still touched the time of
badillo or no longer. I cameby badger. Ah, so he'

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s the one who tells me.So, uh, I get a guy
from the Interclub League. I playedon a team called Canarius. I got
a guy and he tells me whohe was playing in the World Youth Team,
which was in the eighty- threeeighty- three. Yeah, I
want to play at the Eighty-three Youth World Cup. And I told
him this because yes, I dowant to play. He said good.

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See you tomorrow at the perfect center. I went downtown and he took me
to a lottery store that had thezinc cla cla clasdillo and prognostic yes,
yes, yes, and he tellsme in the first place. Hey,
that' s how he saw me, he said he grabbed me. I
don' t know if it wasa hundred pesos, a thousand pesos.
Obviously that' s where I havethis money today. You' re leaving
tomorrow for Guadalajara. Well, Ido. No, no, no,

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no, you ask her permission,you decide to leave tomorrow for Guadalajara.
No, well, yeah, I' m leaving without knowing if my dad
' s gonna give me permission.And that' s how I started going
to Guadalajara. He was ceding toGuadalajara. I remember. I' m
going to Tecos, Tecos Stadium,and we' re going to play against
fear of maternal selection. I camein and the first one to receive me

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was Jimmy Golsmit well father compadre thatin peace rest the technician was chur Rodríguez
And this, because they tell me, then get dressed. I saw this
one and we went out to play. Me from traveling in the truck,
we went out to play. Theyput me in the second half and I

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make two goals and that' swhere my story begins in the amateur team.
Then I' m already focused onGuadalajara. I have to talk to
my dad and tell him hey,I have to stay here for 15 days.
And I stayed for 15 days.You were already studying. I was
studying, I was studying how oldI was seventeen. I believe either,
chavito, chavito, chavito and youdreamed of being a footballer, profession always,

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if always. That' s somethingI always dream about. I dreamed
of winning Citlálex because I saw.I rememberÁngel Fernández when he was talking
about superman on the way, HugoSanchez or what it was like in the
itlal and if I was excited andsaid I have to be there one day
and look Blessed God. I've had a lot of weird things happen

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to me, because he won eightHitllix. I had eight hits win ALIX.
Then the one who was my idol, who was Miguel Marín look how
curious I' m going to tryblue stitching and Miguel Marín I making goals
and Miguel de Marín saw me andtold him I don' t remember.
What' s his name? Thisboy can' t be played. Tiny
little dog boy, he can't play. And my charo then,

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when I came to the Eighty-six World Cup, if you remember,
Miguel Marin was the coach of orgoalkeeper. Sure, then we were playing
next to the TEK Stadium, ina club the best of the Internet and
television, in one place. Mohoritaplay from an insurance company in a five
- to- five canchita and wemade four teams. Miguel made four teams.
Obre Now I don' t remember, Bora and it' s my

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turn to play against Miguel Marino andI make a goal of Chilena in an
opportunity of this tampaña and I tellhim I' ll give you the ball.
I swear to you, I'm getting out of the ball.
I' m telling you, Ineed you to take it away from me,
but I' m gonna remind youof something. This güey who put
the goal of Chilena, that ofthe skinny legs, to which you did

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not accept in cruzo and remember andclearly and said no good, Carlos,
because it is that you horseshoe.We have all such a good story in
the anecdote in that, in that, in that moment, when when you
start to stay in the amateur selectionalready. I remember playing a lot of

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international tournaments. We played so manygames, we went everywhere, yes,
walking around Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Doños, porto Arrados. I think
that when I came to the firstedition I should have had, like,
seventy- seven international matches. Ofcourse, of course, that selection played
a lot and I remember Joaquin Vadillowas the one who was always there behind

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that section. Well, right now, you said Chuy Rodriguez. Sure,
of course, because it was before, it was poncho, poncho Portugal,
those elections that they knew before cameout great knight player, Hugo Sanchez,
i e many players that settled Yesthey were figures in Mexican football. It
was a nursery, yes, itwas a real nursery and then Pum slashed

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that amateur selection because the mauterism wasover, not the Olympics. He became
an exact professional and then, butif you were cleaned up or not,
he didn' t take us outof Canada in a third game in Fort,
which we lost a few seconds toor was going to be the eighty

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- four game in Los Angeles.In Los Angeles that stage ends and how
you get to professional football and whyonce in America I had signed you before.
I didn' t bounce back toAmerica. I am looking for the
lion, but I when I becamea lion and they go and see me
and I am in the parking lotof the Olympic Committee and I am with

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this iturral of Alonso, yes onethat was lateral to me. Yeah,
yeah, that' s when hewas Leon' s manager and he offers
me to go to Leon and Itell him brother how to go to Leon.
Kid' s party. I'm never gonna play. I told
him I' m going to learn, yes, but I don' t
want to learn. I want toplay then. No. Then Wastepec'
s looking for me. I wentto some IMS offices earlier. I did

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shoot and the technician was the hitwhen I started the OLPA. But all
my colleagues, almost all of them, have come to Wastepec and I have
not. He didn' t beatme. I said something like that.
I am. I was hoping you' d come looking for me because I
' d already had breakfast with BiliaAlvarez before she eliminated us. And that
' s what this fellow joel tellsme I don' t remember. The

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last name, right now, Iremembered. Well, he tells me,
hey, he was with the Americathat wants me in America He was with
you. Then I' ll sitoutside the office. Panchito Hernández sitting like
this watching the training and he camein and went out and told him what
happened. No, I didn't turn around and Panchito comes out and
you said to me, what,I what, because here I didn'

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t come to accompany him. Hesaid you don' t want to play.
I said, yes, why not. I went in and came down
and that' s where my storystarted in America. That' s where
Chaney was playing. I said hereI have possibilities, I' m going
to grow, I have, Ihave sideboards and this is going to help
me a lot. And that's where my career from the realism process

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started. But I' m onAmerica' s rebound. Hey and when
we say you' re already stayingin America I was king. I'
m not a technician, and yes, I have a lot to do with
him because he stayed with me betweennar. I remember that the first time
this one I stayed training with him, because you finish a goal without goalkeeper
to you I fight as if Iwas playing you ten, that I remember.

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If he put in one or two, he told me whore how you
made so many bowls, then hestayed a lot of training with me to
definitions and he gave me great advicethat I always say it in transmissions is
the ball you have to go findhim. Not that the ball finds you.
He always told me not thick thatyou follow, you don' t

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have to go find him. It' s always anticipating you. It always
stings first poste repeats, repeats,repeats and so on. That' s
how I had a lot of clients, one of them who hangs around called
Christal Tjajajaja. You heard me,yes, let him know that I'

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ve been with Christo Hey Carros.This stage in America is very good.
It is very good and there arechampionships and there are very pleasant moments.
Not what the truth has been thebest time with America. I believe that
the most emblematic is the one thatbeat Chivas the Morial series, one hundred
and twenty zero spectators. There isthis very good anecdote, because I had

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just started in America. You rememberI had lost a year earlier, yes,
a season before I broke all therecords, of course, the semifinal
and the b and the brawl.Yeah, yeah. The next year I
came and stood in the final againstChivas. We' re going to play
stage Jalisco I was always in exchange, but I wasn' t in the

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headline and I wasn' t inthe room. I' ve got chanis
that weird and tells us, becauseI' m thinking of playing with you
all ahead, but the guys Iput them here because if any of you
have any fear or don' twant to play or something, it'
s better that you tell me herethan that you use later. And I

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was saying what he' s saying, because it' s an end.
I think I told him how whata player wants most I said no.
I do, I want to playand we play. I made a goal,
I was cancelled another goal and wewent to Mexico and we were champions
there. But I think that isone of the most emblematic moments, of
course, in Chiva America. Besides, it' s the only time I

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' ve seen that ending. Yeah, in Mexican football. Unbelievable. That
' s where I' m goingto tell you, we' re going
back where I stayed in this one. We go back to the east state
and tell me Carlos Rey We getto Azteca Stadium and tell me I'
m going to ask you a favor. Don' t go out on the
court until everyone gets out. Ofcourse not. And that went out on
the court. So when I wentout on the court and I saw a

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hundred and twenty thousand people like thatand I said what this is an energy
and I got to start coming backand, of course, I didn'
t play anything right, that is, the impact was such. The impact
wasted me heartily that he didn't have a good match, but it
served me a great deal. Ihad the fortune I was always very lucky

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because I came to America from greatleaders, very winners, a very winning
team with important leadership. They wereall leaders and I was taught that part.
You know, I grew up withleaders. So, then, to
me, that' s why Isay I was lucky, because at the
beginning of my career I found this, with the fortune to get to America,

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with the opportunity to work with verydemanding leaders within the court, very
demanding that we take care of ourselvesin our private life. The truth is
that I was very formed by whyyou' re going from America, because
the offer of the standard of readingcomes. I wanted to, I wanted
to play in Europe. It wasnot so much in that, at that

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time in Europe, we were notlike slaves, also because the owners of
the Charter will be the teams.So, for you to go out,
for me to go to Europe atthe stand, I had to sacrifice my
fifty percent or twenty- five percentthat it belonged to me from the letter,
but I left because I had theillusion of accomplishing something important, which

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didn' t happen to me.But I took a very important leap there
I always compare today as in thegames, not that it goes up level,
yes, yes, but it goesup level because you are improving and
there I made a very important jumpbecause of the work that I did in
Belgium, nothing more in my trainings, but I did afterwards to be able

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to stay, because I wanted tostay, I wanted to succeed, but
no, but it could not.Well, then, I failed. But
that helped me so that later I, when I return, that I return
to America, six months that Amarillaalready played, I play little and from
there I' m going to becomeKing. And that' s when I
take off even stronger, right thenand let' s say that, maybe

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it' s a failure, notEurope, but you matured cannon. Yes,
I say they are in life.We all have failures. Not that
porn. And the most important thingabout failures is to profit from failures,
to know why not. And todayI realized that there are times and times
in life and maybe it wasn't my time. Or he didn'

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t touch me because curiously I returnand the Atlético of Madrid comes to want
to take me. And because Ialready signed with America, I went back
to the same thing. We werescaled up. I say panchito, let
me go no and I didn't play. Hey, I was in
exchange because they had a scorer whowas Yellow. Yeah, but I can
' t leave. And that's where everything went down and then Monterrey.
How' d it go there?Super at first it cost me a

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lot of work because I wanted toshow in Berly that the best of the
Internet and television had been wrong inone morita play place and I was thinking
of Belgium when I had to havebeen here at the time, that is,
being in Monterrey, then I didn' t score, until one day
the woman who told me went andgrabbed me and said look. This one
you' ve brought us everywhere.You' re not having a good time

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with this one, but less ofus. Either you forget Belgium, or
you' d better retire, becauseyou' re feeling sorry for yourself.
And that' s when I startedmaking goals, and making goals, I
made twenty goals. I could havebeen a runner- up champion that year,
but I was fractured from the sacrum. Then I had to stay for

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a month, but I did superwell a wonderful city that welcomed me very
well and that I wanted to stayin Monterrey, but it couldn' t
and it appeared Cruso before passing thecrosul stage that is really because let'
s say the culmination at the summitof your Monterrey career. Playing in Rayados

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or Tigres is very special, becausethat hobby press everything that surrounds Tigre said
Monterrey is very special, perhaps verylocal, but very special, very special.
Interestingly, I' m going totell you when I leave America,

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who is looking for Stigres was Carlosreinoso and I have two talks with Chiapa,
who was Vice President Michelangelo, andwe didn' t reach an agreement
in that period of the second talkappears in Monterrey. And Monterrey through Carlos
Bremer and I don' t rememberthe other manager. They arrive and in

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ten minutes I managed and it wasa tower. I remember King didn'
t bother with me. That's why, when we played the first
classic, I' m going tocelebrate the goal because I was upset too
because he started talking. I mean, I don' t know what he
was going to say, but whathe was going to say is not true.
What was true was that the lordwas late. It took a while

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to fix myself, and I couldn' t wait like a ton. You
know, there came a really gooddeal from Monterrey and I said I'
m leaving then the classics at thatmoment when they' re still living were
so intense that if that classic wewon it four or two and I remember.
I made two goals that I rememberI went to a restaurant to eat

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or when we threw tacos and ifthey were scratched they wouldn' t let
you pay they won Yes, yes, yes, like kings already this,
but that' s a very goodhobby. It' s me I lived.
Happy Happy, Happy, you arriveat Cruz Azul and you are at

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Cruz de Azul. Well, ofcourse, it was your little team.
I don' t know if yousaid to my house or to my dream.
I came to feel very comfortable whenI arrived, but we had won

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him in the eight thousand eight eighty- nine, the finals the Blue Cross
and I made the goal with America. Then Crozul' s hobby couldn'
t see me. I remember thered berets were called, approached and insulted
me like that. Oh, whyall that. I' d tell him
I' d give you a chance, I' d go to consult him
from Chamo. Give me a chanceto show them. And it cost me

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a lot of autumn work, becauseit' s also like when you change
schools, that it costs you andthat there are little leaders and that not
the same. I study a customspedro cross and it' s for Irio
Jiménez they were like the leaders ofthe team. Then I was moving aside
and he was throwing the ball.But JAAA. If I said until I
grabbed, I grabbed and slapped PorfirioI said now I came here to play,

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I came to be a team andI came to win, but if
you don' t give me aball and I can' t play like
that, there they changed everything andthen there I started to collaborate with the
team and to make many goals,but many yes, I made many societies.
My best society can be you.I' ll repeat, it was
a lot of dogs. I'm sorry, he knew. I knew

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that Pedona, when she grabbed theball, would pick me up. Then
I had to make me move andhe threw it at me with Zamora,
my great ally and great friend andgreat companion too, but he was also
gallinant. I mean, I alwaysmade societies. I think football is society
to know, understand and meet yourpeers. Notice that it is difficult,

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it is really very difficult, whenthey are rivalries as strong as America and
Blue Cross, of course, America, Chivas, etcetera, etcetera. But
it' s very difficult for themto accept you. But well, with
goals based on goals exactly I wasconvincing him and radically changed my situation with

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the vision of cro Azul. Howmany titles were with America, four,
four with monterrey no. But thenwith blue cross we played two finals,
with which we lost against Necax,yes, and the other one that we
won to Leon Exactly then you wonfive titles, six or with Chivas,
with nexx A Chivas, we werechidos, of course, of course,

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and I go seven finals. Ifwe win six, yes, yes,
yes, the Necaxa of the Riscoyes, of course, yes, yes.
Of course the Manches, as Isaid, the Mariches, kept quiet.
But well let' s go tothe end of the blue cross,
because that ending has this incredible storyof the prison of the delay that you

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take with comentary and finally you throwthe prison and blue cross is champion if
I remember correctly, you were alreadyinjured from a fractured by an Atlanticist.
What a central stage. Yes,Jesus the Jerry. Yes, there is
a ball that remains in the areathat I reach in tuir that I will

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arrive sooner and they will make mepenal then, something that I never did,
because in my moment it did itslower, but it turns out that
it arrived. We got here atthe same time. Then it hits the
ball and I, as I knowyou' re going to make me sad,
loosen the body and lift the elbowsand the sweep goes in like this
and I, when it hits me, I felt the smell like a throne.

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I remember I fell Felix Fernandez,who is a good friend. He
tells me to stand up You've never been selected and I' m
fractured. Oh, how you thinkI' m fractured, but I am
indeed fractured from Costia. I stillended up playing like this the first time,
but I was running and I wasold and I said horrible no and

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a pain I don' t have. Then, of course, he didn
' t come out anymore. Thesecond time I went to the hotel,
I met Bill and told me myway Carlos for the next tournament and said
no, Doctor come the blades areoperated, no, but they can be
operated, yes, because find yourselfa specialist and then I operated. I

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remember when I went out there,I was already furious. Everybody was telling
me you' re crazy,'cause no one was telling us we were
going to go to the finals.You understand me it was the first match
no, then we eliminated the Atlantean. I' ve already operated. I
get out of the operation with adren like with a little maletita and when
there was no one stood me upand I started to move and I said

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I' m fine and I'm ready to leave the hospital for the
game against the semifinal Atlas, becausewe eliminated the Atlante already already, already,
already, as you said, asalways, as always remember that also
three one that won us the Aztecand that the Wolfa trusted and we went
to win them in the Talles howthey forgot. Yeah, we all yell
at him. There' s aword missing or good and then this one

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eliminates the Atlas. I already sufferfrom training for the east final and get
me in the second half. Interestingly, Carlos Reynoso was the technician of the
or of León. Sure then Iplayed the second time of Aztec at the
Blue Stadium Forgiveness, in the blue, of course, but I didn'

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t play well. To be honest, to see the two- kilogram vest
freshly pruned, I had lost weightfor more than I didn' t play
well. Then I get out ofthe game. We won a zero with
Benjamin Galindo' s prison and whenI go out I' ll play you
the stairs, those huge ones.If you find me or I' m

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told you know me you' llknow what I' m going to do.
I said yes, of course.But everyone who does what we'
re supposed to do, no,you don' t worry about that.
You do your job and I liveand then we go to Leon Tena tells
me you' re not going toplay. I' m gonna take you
to the bench in case I needyou, perfect and that' s how

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it all happened. I think heand I say it with all respect,
because I learned that way Reynos likedto get in strong and I would say
to you here I will be strong, Ball and everything. So I think
he told them, he told themexactly the same thing he said in Carlos
is iodine and comes hurt then Brothers, but I think Commission didn' t

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know the ribs weren' t here. They were finishing up. And I
' ll tell you in the back. And he thinks because I wanted to
do something with him about the storyof this, because it seems to me
that the best of the Internet andtelevision could be interesting in one place.
Morita play. He thinks I maybe angry and I already spoke to him

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and said Broth I have nothing againstYou. On the contrary, I have
to thank you and congratulate you becauseyou made us. You, you made
us champions. To us, Youopened the possibility and to me in the
team that, because I love somuch from Chavo, you imagine I arrive
at Cruz Azul and I am championblue cross and I have to see in
the championship, because I am likea g can ask God or is a

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blessing, but he has not wantedto do absolutely anything. Nothing. I
' ve been left to make itvery clear and very rare when when you
' re lying there, you're trying to surely recover the skinny one.
Luis Fernando Tenal got through, mindhas to throw another one that is

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not beautiful, because this is allvery much. I don' t know
if he went through it, butthe one who was very desperate that I
would stop tamaites separate me. Standup, you have nothing, doctor dible
that has nothing that I did notunderstand, because I never realized the magnitude
of the coup or what had happenedafterwards, I did not know that they
had marked penal. What I didso I said blood again and then I

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said, well, doctor, whyso much insistence of Hector de mitse tunupar
is that mark a prison. Oh, no, take my blood. I
stand up and it' s thathe, if I didn' t throw
it, throw it at him andI think he was, he wasn'
t in good punctures lifting yes,please get up. Then, when I

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stop, there are things in lifethat you feel, that there is no
way you can make a mistake.And that one at the time, for
all that I had been living inValencia, had failed a single one without
head gold, i e, Ibelied. Then they hit me I said
it' s for me and thetruth is that I threw it away with

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all the certainty and the assurance thatI was going to put it in because
I put it stuck to the pole, even if I had thrown it there
I wasn' t hearing and youdidn' t get nervous. Third,
how interesting, but yes, yes, I was convinced, convinced and very
peaceful, as is mine. Hey, Charlie, right now that you'

(32:35):
re saying about this conviction, there' s some time in your career that
you said" son him" nowI' m losing my way. No,
this isn' t what I wasexpecting from my career, because not
really. But I think we allhave one, or two or three,

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some more, some less, momentsthat are going to be recorded for life
in your mind decisions that were notgood. A you understand me, that
is, because we remember more aboutthe good, but also I will never
forget the liberator is Samuel' sgoal that I had to mark, that
they are not America with America thateliminate us. No, no, that

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was my mark. And then Ihave a head that the measurement took it
wrong at the time because it wasn' t head, it was with the
foot. Then I head over thispart and put the pole aside in the
last few minutes. I remember.These are moments that are what I say

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I had to lose a no,but they are moments that remain recorded and
at the end of my career whenI decide to retire. That' s
when I say I can' tkeep playing, when I' m not
recovering 100% for the next game, not even for the workouts, then
I could have kept playing. Idid have offers, yes, but it

(34:04):
wasn' t the issue of wearingdown what I had done and cost me
a lot of work. What's the point? You threw thirty-
eight, thirty- eight at him, but before you had a good time,
after Cruz Azul, you passed afterCroceson, I went to Necaxa and
XI. You remember, yeah,I ran six months on Galaxy, six
months on CXI. After that Iwent to the Atlantean. You have to

(34:28):
go through there. Everyone has togo through there. I don' t
know why Christ didn' t comeby before. But, but with Caxau
it was six months you were champion, champion, it was two years,
six months I was champion. Andafter Necaxa. Because I' m going
to tell you something I haven't pointed out in this part. When

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I leave Cruz Azul, I goto Necaxa and this and when my second
season and my second season of Galaxycomes to an end, I run out
of equipment. He, Mr AlejandroBurrillo, speaks to me aha. You
told me, you' re notrunning out of equipment. You go to
the Atlantean and he' s theone who takes me to the Atlante.
I was there for six months.The truth was that the technician at the

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time was the veracruzano. I lostthe name Regis, Sergis tipazo hello what
Reggies I was the captain, verygood people of truth are of nothing.
But unfortunately, because it didn't go well and he had to go
and Sapority arrived. And when yougot here, Apority, from here in

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Atlante, there were a lot ofweird things going on and I' m
sorry that he didn' t giveme that stuff yet, but we didn
' t even have bandages. Sometimeswe didn' t even have bandages for
training or cosmedics and I don't keep quiet about anything, because they
talk hal wyu after I told himautumn, garcía hears fuck. I'

(36:01):
m essential. What we need isstuff. To me one day, when
they opened me in a lion partycleaning me with toilet paper, no yes
and they sewed me there and Ididn' t realize, because when you
' re in the heat, youdon' t realize what' s going
on with a toilet paper and Isay then he said hey, doctor,
you cleaned me, share the bathroom. He said yes, I don'

(36:21):
t have cotton. No, andhe told her then and then they get
upset because you go and I toldher I want to hear. He told
me how not to get into thatis and after that Toño sent his alignments
and inside them, because since Ihad been the one who had gone,
it erased me. This is whatI' m saying. I' m

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saying it because I told him totoño, I mean, it' s
not because yes, yes, yes, I told him and he knows it
perfectly. Then I lived. Ithink that' s also a stage of
my life that wasn' t.I' m not saying this for the
team, because the team is agreat team and of many years and history
passed by Grego Relato, many manyGorini Bazquez to the already cabiño you want

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to make Eduardo Relgis. But it' s a bad time in my story.
Yes, and in America. Howwas your first year. It didn
' t go well, because Iwas the Mexican. No and then the
reality that existed, then they don' t give me a ball. Second
year, when I started the season, I went and told the technician that

(37:28):
' s how to see if you' re not going to finish and to
get me balls, I have nothingto be doing here. I' m
leaving, he told me not towait. Give me a few days and
that' s when I started thegoals. There we got to the final
against Girl or Fires, we lostthere, but I made any number of

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goals There in that season, theseason, the first season, I didn
' t make many goals and yourretirement is after that. My retirement comes
after Atlante. Then I go toChivas and Professor Barakamots asks me Rugeri arrives
very well with Rojeri, but ina few megamothers the trainings and the truth

(38:15):
is that I, that is nolonger, did not recover what Toji did.
Then there he makes the decision tosay I remember that many people got
upset because I stayed at fifteen headgoals, because my son, one of
them, Jajasa, is one whois there in time. Of course,
he stopped talking to me. Hestopped talking to me textually, and he

(38:38):
stopped talking to me if playing untilclothes wanted the king to break, others
yes, yes, it wasn't enough anymore, the machine was there.
That would have been three yes,but Ki Ya te fifteen angry this
one. And that' s whenI tell Ida and my kids that I
' m going to retire, theydidn' t believe me until I saw

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it and they had sympathy with prisI retired there, I retired with Guadaragada.
Interestingly, Ricardo Pens also retired withGuadalajara. Notice also and similar circumstance
good, the injury in the realhears chacl and Mexican selection? What do
you remember about the Mexican team?Well, the Mexican team? I think

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I think I would have liked toplay more. I also know that maybe
I was left to see in theselection as well, but the little I
played, because I enjoyed it.There are many elections. It' s
the most sacred and most beautiful thingyou can see. And I had a

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time in football where there were extraordinaryto play many front centers much yes,
Luis García, Ricardo Peláez, LuisHernández and they were appearing the Borguetti.
Then Hugo had good what was inthe selection. It did cost him.
It cost Luis Flores, Luis Flores, of course this one. Then what

(40:09):
I played I enjoyed. The bestof the Internet and TV in one place
Mohorita play that I would have liked. For example, I stayed with the
gusanito to make a goal in aWorld Cup, If I never understood why,
after having won Ireland, tied withItaly and or normally playing a coach,

(40:31):
the team that won repeats. Ididn' t understand why he changed.
But I respect Miguel and he changedand it wasn' t eliminated.
Bulgaria and bay had very nice moments. I think there is a time in
the national team and in this countrythat is called even before Menot and a

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after Menote, Menotti and came asif revolutionizing many players uamero Garcia. No
one ever started playing ten in theselection a game of ten. There were
players who never thought they were goingto the selections were the selection and the
truth is that we changed a littlebit the chip in our head as well.
Yeah, yeah, that was justbefore Miguel. As you say about
Miguel Mejía Barón. It was oneof the best choices for me. We

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left with him also many times thisEurope and there were also very good players.
We had very good results, because, unfortunately, he left. But
I think I always talk about somethinghe told us. Mexican football is always
tired. You' re always sayinghe' s tired. I told you
one thing. You come a paisado, you' re burning the 18th or

(41:43):
19th floor and you' re comingin from training tired disk and you'
re all going up the loads andyou' re going down and you'
re not tired. And that's all we said, because after Italy,
when we played the World Cup ninety- four, we arrived at the
hotel. We' re out inthe suburbs, in a very large hotel.
We were in episode nineteen. Thisone' s in pieces. I

(42:07):
actually believe I' m chest piecesand ask us to come down for a
raul interview. We' ll bathehim outside the hotel. We' re
going down and that' s wherethe other one' s alarm sounds.
What put it, Menoti, howpure ajury you' re doing. We
came running to the ICU, notwhat happened. The 17th floor is burning

(42:27):
and as Miguel had given us permissionthat day that the family could sleep there
was sleeping and he was going tosleep and he was in the room with
tempting little carlits, because he runsand we come down there. And when
we get down, I remember I' m not remember anymore. I was
just looking around and he told mewhat the point was. Sir, the

(42:52):
adrenaline took their lead. You knowthere, well, Charly, when the
end of your career comes, youmade a series of very interesting, controversial
decisions, as well as the conave, and then you become a commentator,
but practice that stage. You likedthe conave or not. I mean,

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I had no illusion of self-power. I didn' t like it
when I' m leaving when he' s retiring. I was retiring since
I was thirty because I remembered thatthe players were thirty- three years old.
Yeah, and I was saying,I' m running out of time.
I have to think what I'm going to do. Then I

(43:36):
went to see Joaquín Vadillo in Marchthat he rests in peace and said I
have two options, to be adirector in a club, that is to
say the Minister of the sport ofthe country or the director of the sport
of the country and the mallet commandsme as with Mario Vásquez Rey and Mario
Vázquez Aña tell me that besides,he was when I went to the selection

(44:00):
amater he was the president and hecommitted Olympic. Then I became my Carlos.
Not so, right now, momentarily, no, but it' s
interesting. Prepare yourself will come toyour time, Ahorita, there are other
people before perfect and I left thenwhen I retired, because I had this
already in my head, these options. When I come back and I'
m invited to the conn of hisdirector, Nelson Vargas, an assumption and

(44:22):
he came to the bell already afterI work with Nelson and tell Nelson I
' m leaving. I want toleave because I want to be the next
director and then I start to work, to see all the entrepreneurs, to
see many people and it turns outthat I am this when you' re
out, you criticize very much what' s inside, not knowing what really

(44:43):
is what you can and what youcan' t. And that' s
what happened to me. I mean, man, I realized they took a
president out of a federation. It' s not a removal, it'
s not a legal process, becauseit has its associates and because they,
they vote for it. And thatis to say, if they want to
work with you, they work ifthey don' t want to work with
you, that the Olympic Committee standsfor the International Lippic Committee and that,

(45:07):
then, if they want to inviteus to participate in the Olympic Games,
they invite us and if they don' t want us to participate, that
is not to say. That's why you don' t have to
be fighting like a thelithic, itdoesn' t mean you accept what the
guest committee tells you, but youhave to have a good relationship. Yes,
of course and before there was aMexican Sports Confederation that was like the
one that balanced. But getting therewith the illusion of being able to modify

(45:32):
and change that yes, we changemany things, but no one will ever
thank you in toño and it isvery easy to criticize, judge, cross
it out. You took away thateverything I keep living, that makes me
laugh. It' s not becausewe, when we arrived at the Mexican

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Sports Confederation and this I tell youfast. You made a budget of a
hundred and so millions of pesos tomanage when it was a building that had
autogenerates. We had done a schoolof professional dramas, of course to me,
in the car generated and that wasa federal government facility earlier. So
I tell you if the lieutenant tothe supers who passes I said look it

(46:17):
' s not personal. This wasdone by his public service, with lawyers
and all development is not personal,but I can' t give you more
than ten million pesos for you torun a building. I' m giving
you a lot. That' swhere he got excited, that' s

(46:37):
where he insulted me, he toldme that it was I had repented,
and since there were many things comingfrom, because every weekend I had to
forgive myself. He was hitting mealready, instead of worrying about building you,
I was sick, because it wasand now where it comes from and

(47:01):
why it comes from and how youdo the strategy to defend yourself, of
course, yes, yes, andthe truth is no. I think you
have to have a stomach. Yeah, that' s what I don'
t have it for. Being suchan iteral man, I can' t.
I didn' t have it andI have to accept it. What

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I did. What I did,I did, I did it convinced.
We' ve improved a lot internationally. They traveled a lot We brought international
coaches. We prepared very well everythingthe athletes needed. We raise the scholarships
to the Olympics and non- Olympics, we also raise the conventional people,

(47:49):
we also raise the scholarships. Isaid eight thousand pesos to twenty thousand pesos.
I mean, we' ve modifieda lot of things, but you
' re never gonna leave it toanyone. But it was an experience that
I never want to live again orgive away. Yeah, and you breathed
when you left, I breathed,but that took a lot of things in

(48:09):
my life. Some things are myfamily, for example. Not curiously,
when I was going to come inthat there he insisted very much that I
support Calderón, when they already tellme my son, there very wise.
He said today this is going toend our marriage and I got sick because

(48:34):
I got really into wanting to leavesomething in the sport and neglected a lot
of issues and made a lot ofmistakes in the personal aspect. So,
when I got out of there thatI had lost everything because a foursome who
was used to winning, winning,winning, and I started losing, losing,

(48:54):
losing, lost the council lost thereI went very far into the hole
this had to rebuild. And torebuild myself, at the same time as
what you' re telling me.At the same time, I was already
working with a television network in thetimes allowed by the government. Then I

(49:19):
gradually integrated, because it' snot an easy subject. If you don
' t have one, you haveto learn to use chicks. Of course
it' s a lot of things. You don' t know that very
well, but what I want tosay to you is that I leave the
conade and they invite me to bedirector of the sport of Puebla. I
told him no, when this manarrived who died by helicopter, who fell

(49:43):
with his wife who didn' tdeclare myself, I told him it'
s not that he says he wantsto be, that what you' re
going to do and tell him Idon' t want to be. I
don' t want to know anyone. Not that, please, that you
go a few days there and afew days and see no, but that
' s not the point. Thatone I don' t want to know.
When I tell him that he doesn' t speak to me he was
already governed and rocked Carlos and saidI don' t want to know anything.

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I meant it. I really appreciateit. For me it was a
great experience and from there I grewup. That' s where I was
a chain. I went to anotherone when I left the best Internet and
television cone in one place. Moritaplay I remember that I find Andrés singer,

(50:27):
very good friend of mine and Itell him in Panama and I tell
him I need to leave Mexico.This one needs me to get out of
Mexico. He really said yes,and then he talks to Telemundo Today and
that' s when I' mabout to sign another contract with another network
I was with. This one lookslike Telemundo to me and I tell the

(50:52):
chain I' m not going tosign and I' m going to America.
America was a very important platform inmy personal life for rebuilding and regaining
my discipline. It was a lotof things. America is and Telemundo are
a very important part of my lifeso I can stabilize again, to find

(51:13):
your center again. Yeah, noand well, Miguel Gorbitz is my step.
It is a great friendship and thena dumbbell water. He' s
a great friend, a great brotherI love him so much. I mean,
I met a lot of people,but he didn' t treat him.
I remember Miguel that we talked alot about a game of Necaxa Chivas,

(51:34):
which I don' t know ifyou remember in the Estrstek that the
entrance is free until it fills thestadium. We beat this Necaxa era,
if you were playing with Chivas,you' d get me out. I
have made a goal, they takeme out, I leave, I sit
on the bench, but they giveme and who was here next to the
chubby Gurris, because you will bechubby nice and then tell him u s

(51:59):
n n n ns Carlos Hermosillo andthe referee arrives and tell him you can
not interview him. Why not.You can' t deport him. I
' m going to kick you out, no, well, yeah, hey,
he won' t let me andhe starts interviewing me and they press

(52:20):
him because of you and he goesaway and there we meet again. So
far we became friends and were thismany years in Mayad of years and a
half. What a nine- and- a- half years. A long,
long time, a long time,yes, but father, yes,
very father. The truth. Likesome people told me, I went to
do a paid master' s degree. It served me a lot. I
think I grew up a lot onthe subject. I made two World Cups

(52:45):
on TV. The first World Cupcost me work, but the second World
Cup is already much more settled,It is much more fluid. I'
ve never played games before, forexample, dono. Then my thing was
debate. I know I love it. I was on debate programs, I
wasn' t making parties. WhenI get into games, I remember telling

(53:06):
them nothing more about my time likeand the one that helped me a lot,
because I' m leaving or Irun into them bathing in Pachuca.
He told me how you' regoing I said whore You know how it
' s costing me work. Thisis what Mira told me I' m
gonna give you some great advice.I know you don' t want to
be a commentator. That' snot gonna celebrate. If you people want

(53:27):
to listen to your experiences, youwant to and your experience, why did
you hit him like that And thereI did say, well, you'
re right, great tips And that' s when I started to do better.
In conclusion, the charlie what amessage you can send to that fondness

(53:50):
cement those young men who, likeyou, dreamt of a blue cross at
the time. They loved the BlueCross or they love the Blue Cross and
they see that the title did arrivetwenty- three years later, but suddenly
they take a few swings and aseries of what message you give it.
You to the people of East BlueCross. I' d say when you

(54:16):
go to a team, there's the good ones in the bullets and
the bad ones. That I understandthat Cruzula has lived many evils and that
perhaps they give us very few joys. But I wouldn' t trade a
T- shirt for anything in theEast world that we continue to support.

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There' s no more than athousand years. No yes, well,
it lasted twenty- three and firstseventeen, first seventeen, which was when
we were the two champions and nowtwenty- three. Let' s hope
it doesn' t last thirty now, no, I don' t think
it' s such a pleasure tohave you in serious sleep. Thank you
so much. Hey, how manytimes have you been a hitter' s

(54:59):
champion? Three, three times,if I' m not mistaken. The
third time Charly was a scoring champion. We did a show now he'
s a bastard, sorry, sorry, my word, we did a show
that was I' m gonna sayit. We went to Kingdom Adventures,
Kingdom Adventure and I got into oneI am terrible for the Rubbis mountains also

(55:20):
yes, so, yes, yesas not yet I and they did not
go as producer of my was forthe producer you already knew clearly. They
saw us at a thing that's like a doughnut and it goes up
and then it goes up and upand I remember we got the toño saying.
This isn' t gonna get up. Not how do you think?
How you think he' s suddenlya valet güey. We did a whole

(55:45):
program of the b Carlos el Bosillogoaling championship. That day, then,
that year, of thirty- fivegoals to finish, I could have finished
with forty- two. That yearI failed. I think I' m
like five serious offenders. I couldhave broken into a recor that I had
cabi aha, but I could havemade, like, forty and so many
bowls. I remember that and I' m going to tell you fast this

(56:07):
one we' re going to playagainst Gorregaminos. Zamora takes off the archer,
takes off everyone, and just wandersinto the goal. And Zamora throws
it at me like that, andI don' t fly and I'
ll grab it, but it goesfrom here to the light. Two raisins
like that and boom and the race. I say when you plant me or

(56:30):
Charlie, before you leave a firm, please, and it' s a
lot of pleasure to have no ofthe years thanks to starme so many years,
to follow your path and to beoblivious and to know each other.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the truth. How many anecdotes,
imagine, we already knew each otherfrom the Amateo selection yes, if I

(56:51):
tell you that I remember perfect.The big guy is Carlos Hermosillo. Oh,
the skinny ducks. That' swhat Miguel Marin said. And,
well, I don' t loveher, because I' m going to
head off a guy named Cristal.What happened? We went to play a

(57:12):
game of stars or the rest ofthe world in Korea, no yes,
Japan, Japan and there are twovery good anecdos, good because we arrived
at a hotel and the then Iremember that went into the bathroom and there
were two hundred and fifty buttons inthe toilet. I said there are mothers,

(57:34):
yes. This bastard, you knowif the guy with a button sticks.
I see you and mangaty bu allwet already with the breads and you
had to come down to eat.So, when I' m down I
' m counting on like two orthree who had done the same thing all
played out. Of course, itwas very curious to see so many buttons.
And that' s where I meetCristante. There we were and we

(57:59):
spent it all giving and we madea bet because praying we played jo you
' re not going to make agoal. I think I' m going
to make you a goal and playin this library with a rainy day and
two I didn' t, oneI did, two quality nothing. Thank

(58:22):
you, Charly, thank you verymuch, no part in order. You
know for your drinks that stay hotor cold. Thank you so much,
thank you so much for having abig hug for the whole family. Thank
you and follow the successes. Thanksto my ton. You' re going
to Fox, No Fox. Thereyou go It' s good Sunday matches.
That' s good, Charlie.You know, give him the bell,
give him the like and we'll all steal the best of the

(59:04):
Internet and television in one place soon. Morita play