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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Do it now? How you doing out there? It's me Tigger,
I am DC Wayne Duck. It's me Bunkers keep Bobcat
All right, y'all?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Is it great?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Your favorite firefly? You desire Hondo? Oh knock guy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
My name is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned In.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Tuned In with
Jim Cummings. I'm producer Chris. We're coming to you semi
live from the world famous San Diego Comic Con, and
we are joined by a very special guest today, none
other than Marty Grabstein, you know his voice from Courage,
The Cowardly Dog, along with many many other projects. Thank
you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Marty, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You come on down.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You are the Mexican Test be here.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh man, we're happy people.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I am, but to yell and then it's still okay
and I'm not going in the reds.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Ready.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You're actually not. Thank god, you're not.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We knew you were coming.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
This.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
This is a dummy you were coming.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We're making you from across the room. This is a decoy.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, Jim, Yeah, it's good stuff, isn't it. You know,
we we do these cons and I think we met
at a con. I don't even think I was when
I was the Great Forsil on Courage.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm not even sure we did it all together.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It was a million years ago, and we all flow
flew solo.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, the great for.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I heard that you were doing it, and I you know,
you know the recording, you know, and you said so individual,
you know, just a lonely guy in the booth recording. Yeah,
right now, collecting a pay check God bless.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, life is good.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, you left your lucrative modeling career to pursue voice acting.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
How do you know that we researched?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I know you better than that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I don't think so coup for modeling career, Marty.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm curious myself. Let's bring it back all the way,
all the way to your childhood.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
When when did you first kind of get like the bug?
The performance bug? What led you? Did you do plays
as a kid? What lead us through that story first?
All right?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you know to be you know, really honest, I
wish that I did once in't so, you know, satellite
this bug.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Having to perform. I wish that I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I probably would have been more you know, wealthy if
I've gone a different route. But you know, I always
had to do it. I always had to do it.
I was six years old, you know what. I started
performing in community theaters camp But was you know Don
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Sancho and Manncholy. I've had a lot of musical I
would only this singer really your singer?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh yeah, you say you started as a singer as well.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I sort of as a singer.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I learned to play guitar when I'm twelve years old,
so sing and play guitar. And you know I didn't
quit my day job to get singing jobs.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know that at the age of twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You had the.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I'm impressed.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
See I would not have known that.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
But anyway, I always was doing it from the beginning,
whenever four years old. Oh boy, I memorized the entire
score of the soundtrack Apple with the Wizard of Odds.
By the way, I had to get this out of
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the way, so I know everything is on the up
and up. I am bertlar anyway, So I am recovering
from a stroke. So once in a while and my
speech gets halted. Something happened to my speech. So anybody
who's curious, what's going on with that guy with the
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oh just no.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Feel bad for me.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
He has a strog.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yes, God bless him. I have to really feel for him, now,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
But anyway, so but anyway, I remember right the entire soundtrack.
It would performance. Anybody would listen. I'm walking around.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh yeah, yes, that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Was such an adorable child.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So was this one of those things where like at
your mitzvah that your parents said, wait, do you see
he's getting Come here, honey.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Come here, tell you come here, get you know absolutely,
I know my mother.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
How do I know that?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Because you know juice, you could you could say ju
in this conversation.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Not actually.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
What do you care?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
What that?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, I'm I'm your audience.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Here you the man man, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
You're here to see you?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So what that did? I answered the question a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I don't even remember the question.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
As you know, the origin.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
So that I was really I had to do it,
and I did community theater. I became acquainted with a
lot of the great playwright who told bragged clifford O
debts off the.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Miller Tennessee William william Ing, I'm showing old. Now anyway,
who's the brushing guy? Oh? Check off? Right, anyway, I'm
not showing off. You're going that I don't have a
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shoe to bang in the Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, it's interesting to me because a lot of the
voice actors that we talked to on this podcast, I mean,
just just in general, have a musical theater background. Yeah,
you know, a theater really translates well since I've learned,
you know, to voice acting.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But you musical.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I mean, I'm curious with you because I'm assuming you
I heard I never heard you sing, and I just
scanning to know you.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Now, say so i've you totally musical, a human musician.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Right, Yeah, it's kind of where I started, you know,
as a kid. I was I was leve twelve, thirteen
years old, and I was a drummer. But by told me, yeah,
just by Lucky the draw, you know, we we we
had to sing songs and it was mostly like motown
and yeah, so I just started singing because apparently I
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could and it was a lot of fun, and girls
like it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Come to find out, come.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
To find out? Now who to thunk it? And so
that was a bit of an inspiration. I don't want
to lie to you, okay, please don't.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Of course you did.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Every singer did, and then some of them actually were
good at it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And I started drums as well. Oh really, I had
a drum set in the basement. Okay, I wanted a
crech gretch.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Nice, I gotta set a gretch.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But I couldn't, you know, I couldn't sing and play drums.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's clunky.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
So I learned to blay guitar because I wanted the girls.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
To like me.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and it's easier to carry around. Absolutely, you don't
need your own personal roading. That's that's why I switched
from drums to just I'll just I'll just get this microphone.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'll tell you what. I'll hold a tambourine.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'll play the tamberin.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I was a hell of a tambourine player.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, I create you too.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, so it worked you.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So what did you do music? I can answer you questions.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
It's flowing.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's flowing very well.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So it.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Stop laughing. Buddy the Elf all right, I can say,
Buddy the Elf?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Who anyway? So I want to hear more about your music?
You know, No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I don't even want to hear more about my music. No.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I just always enjoyed singing and jem.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
What was the name of your band that you were
in when you're young?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
My first band was the Magistrates, the Magistrates, And then
I was a fantastic Parrel, thank you, and and I
was a Sweet Soul Spice Arthur Connors and the Sweet
Soul Spices, and I was the White Kid and a
couple of those bands, oh yeah, mainly black band.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well except for me.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
In fact, I got it and thought of listening a
millionaires back in the Youngstown Vindicator. They were all so
proud of us because we're a pretty good band. We actually,
you know, we played a lot of proms and and
and at the Afro Cuban Lounge and boy was at
a classy joint, you know. Richie's dad had to accompany
us because, I mean, this is a place where where
guns would flash and knives would it was Did I
(10:25):
mention it was in Youngstown? Yeah, and uh, you know Crimetown,
USA at the time. But I thought it was great,
you know, And I didn't know I was accidentally prepping
for my future living right, although I was kind of
aiming for it anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I knew I was going to do it when I
was five.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
The music allowed you to getting back to your thing
about many voice actors.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Getting training from singing. That's true.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
The expressiveness of singing the rarey is, you know, the
range of spreadsing that happens with singing loud, get your
voice in a mode of expres changing spreads in everything
is musically based. And I'm permit I convinced of that
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it's okay to do this it sure is. Whatever I do.
By the way, how am I looking?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
You know, it's a close up. It's like chest up.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
All right? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, let me you do look you look good money.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I actually really like this setting. Once again, you know,
to the audience watching, we're out here in San Diego,
we're at this nice rooftop out here for San Diego
Comic Con, and it's it's been a really good time,
been a really good time.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We're here in our luxury rooftop penthouse.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
But back to what you were saying about, I really
agree with that about the finding your range as a singer,
you know, I think that translates so well. And you
as you know, as a voice actor. You know, I
guess I can call myself a voice actor. I just
got paid a voice act.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's right about that. And welcome to the club. By
the way, again, thank you.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I appreciate that. Yeah, it was my first ever voice
acting role. Last week did an anime show, and man,
what a good time. I love being in that booth.
I'm sure you guys obviously, But.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I also want to make something clear. I don't consider
myself a voice actor really because I never really pursued
voice acting, and you don't know that, you know, so
I'm an actor. So I fell into courage because with
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an opportunity somebody had called me up, a friend of
mine who knew I was a very good actor and
a stage actor.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Mostly.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, I was.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Doing a lot of stage of bouncing around, but I'm
answering some of those questions your mind.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I'm treating you to the you are you are some
of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
But anyway, so I did do eight years of a
sketch comedy duo.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Wow, that's tough. That's a tough gig writing our own material,
improv I mean, do some improv in the course of it,
but it basically structured mini plays right.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
In miny three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, one minute,
sometimes one minute sketch Wow. Learning all of the perform
I performed all over the city of New York in
various cabaret venues and some theaters. We did actually UH
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at a peak of what we were doing.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
We actually did a UH, a.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Full length play with a kind of a trumped up
framing device, which basically the excuse for put putting up
sketches for everybody, but making it the full length play
and justifying being in an actual offer for the theater
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and doing a run.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So to speak. Nice.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So if it's really cool and we got very successful letter,
We got a couple of really nice reviews for the
New York polls Time at New York with the number
one for two weeks in a row, the number one
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choice critics choice, ahead of numerous Broadway shows.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We were kicking ass.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But yeah, it's a great brag.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Who is your partner? Who is your partner?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
The name is Rick Mowatt.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
We have since them any independent film together, short films.
We collaborated on it. He directed. We wrote to together.
You know many things. You're going to film, festival.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Circuit and that stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know, so basically, you know, acting and not making
that much money.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
But because I remember Joe.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
My techna, that's a good there you go.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's a segway. Don't make techna said, I meant him.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I spoke to him and he said, you know people, Yeah,
he said, he was so blessed.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And I know you feel that to be paid for
doing what you do.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yes, in a sense, Uh, anybody being an actor should
do it, whether they're gonna get paid or not.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Try absolutely.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Right. If a painter doesn't sell a painting, is it
still a painter.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yes, yes, then go didn't sell one in his lifetime.
In his lifetime, ye to paper. But he was so
doing what you do.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You should do it because it's ridiculously hard to any
job at all.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, any job.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, that's funny you bring that up. I was just
talking to a friend about that the other night. And
I feel like, especially in La you know, I'm La kid,
and I feel like so many people just get into
acting for all the wrong reasons. You know. I feel
like it's kind of shifting now with social media kind
of the the people who you know, wanted to be
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actors before just for the celebrity of it are now
just you know, social media is so much easier. I'm
not taking away from it, because you know, they have
a whole different skill set, but there's just been like
such a in my upbringing, there was so many quote
unquote actors who didn't appreciate the craft. They just wanted
to be on TV or in movies and for the
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celebrity aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
And I was telling my friend the other day, you know,
like some of the best actors I've ever seen in
my life. They've never booked anything. You know, it's in classes.
It's that astrician you know. It's that it's like you
were just saying, you know, like if you're passionate about something,
the money doesn't matter. And like you say, Jim, you know,
you say all the time, if you know, if you
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want to do something, be so good at it that
they'll pay you for it. Yeah, you know, and that's
like that comes from that drive and that passion. You
can't fake that, you know. Yeah, it's something that's inherent
in any performer, whether they're a busker, whether they're absolutely
you know, the whole chain all the way up. You
should really be passionate about it, because if you're just
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going in there and mailing in performances, it's what's the point,
you know, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, well that there was one line in TUTSI, the
movie that really bugged me. And he was trying to
get an acting job, Dustin Hoffman, and was and he goes, well, well,
I call my agent and I told him I said,
I'll do anything. Look, I will even do voiceover.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's how that's that's how.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Bloody desperate I am and I was thinking full get
over here, click right on the forehead, you know. So yeah,
and I was thinking, my life's goal is your your side?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Gig? Thank you? Hold that. I forgot who wrote it.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe Buddy the Elpha.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Directed it. I don't know if he had any with
the writing of it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I want to go back to Courage the Cowardly Dog. Okay,
so what so you have an agent. I'm assuming before
you get that audition, what was the lead? No better?
But I I'm getting shown, uh the writer screenplay by
Larry Gelbert galboard.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Come on, so that knucklehead.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
But I know he's tongue in cheek.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, you know he didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I don't think Larry Gelbard didn't have respect for Ward's
over that's don't hoppen the cabat that did not have respect, right,
that's that's we get it a floor character.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Anyway, Sorry to distract you from that.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
So you do have an agent, Yeah, I had an
agent at the time, but I wasn't getting a lot
of you know, auditions, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And this is in New York, in New York.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, but an interesting story.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So the person who called me up. Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
A friend of mine who would not spoken to maybe
five years, you know, called me up out of nowhere
and basically said, Uh, you know, Marty. I know I
haven't spoken to you in the wire, but I have
a feeling that you're still acting. I felt like you
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were still acting, I think, and I decided to give
you a call because I'm working with this guy, John
dill Wurtz, who's creating a new cartoon service Coverage to
covered the Dog, and he listened to every voice over
acting in the city and can't seem to arrive with
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a decision.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Maybe two hundred voices he heard. Oh yeah, your voice.
You did it for coverage. I wasn't in New York
either York.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
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Speaker 5 (21:17):
Do it now, so she said, and this point he's
driving me crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I figure I reached her to my friends and may
being I have better luck. So I basically.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
She said, the audition it tomorrow, and I don't have
any script for you really to read off per see,
there's nothing even the short onlines character anyway, he didn't
have a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So what did you do? What did you give them?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
So the only thing she told me is that he's
a neurotic dog. He's a little dog, very very afraid
of its own shadow, and somehow, somehow, at the eleventh hour,
he finds a way to save the world from monsters.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
What a nice dog. That's all I got.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
That's so I've walked in. Interesting that walked into the
audition strangely relaxed because if I know I can't prepare, that.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Means I relaxed. Yeah, you're prepared, exactly.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm prepared because and I also knew I was very
good at responding to, you know, changes, taking directions. Somebody
said do it this way, all right, I quickly processing
and doing that, so I would not worried. How I
we're gonna come across, either gonna happen or not, you know.
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So I walked in and somehow, because I knew he
was erotic me being a big fan of Witty Allen
and you again.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
A Jewish guy. A back background. It's my phone dinging.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
My phone should not be dinging when I have the
Jim comics.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I'm sorry man.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Anyway, I didn't even hear it, so I.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Would, but good is that your agent not calling? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So I walked in and I decided to mind my
idea of neurosis is but pretty much my own self
the way you hear me speaking now, of fumbling and
cracking my voice, cracking all the all other stuff I
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did it with In the audition, he was laughing a lot.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
He was laughing. I saw his face.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
His eyes were like so, so I knew like I'm
doing good. So I'm relaxed even more. And he said,
can you can you just do it this way?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Can you just pictured higher? Pitch it up here?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
All the things I do a full long so and he's, oh,
my god, we got it, we got it.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I think you got you got the job. I just
gotta check. I didn't have to wait for.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
What's I feel like when you book it? When you
booked it? What's that feel like?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Surreal? Se real? And I never done Number was it
your first veo.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
My I did a couple of I think the commercial
and you previous a voiceover for that, did a couple
of small voiceover things for animated short films that didn't
go over okay, but mainly those are my first significant
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video audition and uh wow, but.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I landed it.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I was so happy because again I didn't by the way,
I'm want to be clear of some when I sing
I'm not a voiceover actor.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm not putting myself down.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I just contrary to the Dustin Hoffmann, I do recognize
the skilled set that you and uh uh uh brought,
brought Paulsen and Alan Oppenheimer, the giants of the industry.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm knowing I'm not smoker of his airs.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Now and I have a little bit of myss is fine, fine,
God bless you, God bless you, thank you. But anyway,
so I recognized a skill set and I never really
worked on that skill set, you know. So I was
just fortunate to get the right or the right thing.
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And also a very good actor.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I knew I was good at acting, and acting is
the main thing, is it? You learn the skills you
learned and.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Modulation and learn the little tricks to breeding, all the
things you teach that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I know you teach some classes I've been known to
here and there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Other than that, I knew I had the skill set
as an actor to be able to do with that.
But anyway, so that's how I got the job. But
it's interesting, some interesting realization I came to. I walked
in relaxed, like I've never been more relaxed.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You said I was prepared already, right, I walked in.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
How often do I walk into an audition and half
the energy making sure I do what I need to do,
and half the energy is making.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Sure I don't look desperate. So I need to act
like I'm relaxed. So that's so I'm walking terrified but
acting like I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
How do you do it?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Inside?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You would be nervous, but you have to mass that ship, right,
But I didn't have to mask anything.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Because of but not nervous at all. That's good. It
is kind of beautiful.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Of the best advice I've ever heard from an actor.
I mean, you know, I've heard it time and time again.
But one of my friends, Richard Harmon from the one hundred,
he's an actor. He was just in the New Final
Destination one of the leads in The New Final Destination,
that movie just that came out, and I was with him,
you know, we're having drinks like a few years ago.
And I was like, man like, because we were like
(28:16):
childhood friends, you know, like we grew up together. We
were always like we were making these little like scream spoofs,
you know, at like thirteen years old. Yeah, and we
called it Drew and Harry and we had the little
scream mask. Anyway, that's you know, another story.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Anyway, I want to hear more about your life.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No, but he told me. I was like, man like,
that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
He booked one of the leads in the one hundred
you know that show went for seven or eight seasons
whatever it was. And I was like, man, he was like,
you know what, like I booked that role. When I
first just let go, Like I just let go because
as an actor, as a performer, you know, they want you,
you know, the people casting, they want somebody who's like
(29:02):
I don't need you. You know, here you go, I
do my thing. You want me, I don't want you,
you know, and then like you get the right mind,
you said, you know, if you go in there nervous
and desperate. You know it reeks. People can tell that desperation.
You know, it's like, oh, I need this so bad.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
And not only then so, yes, it reeks. But let's
say you're very good at covering.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
It up, covering with the scent of freaking well, then
you're a great after already.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You start of it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You're still split in your energies.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
They don't see it consciously, they don't see that, but
you're robbing yourself of half of what you need.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
To propel you in the situation.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Right, You're robbing yourself because you have to shove down busy,
shoving down you nervousness.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So then you have to perform on top of that,
and that's it, and that's a bad foundation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
You might even be successful, if you're good enough. You
might even be successful at doing a good job. Do
you ever phone anything in.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You mean literally or at the job, all of the
work you've done?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean when I would I used to do tags
or what have you? At the WB coming up next,
and there's not a lot of you don't have to
work really hard on that one. Yeah, But no, I've
said this before, and I treat every session like it
was the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah, right, even loads tags you just mentioned, Yeah, even tho,
it's still every time.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well those are like the playoffs, right, not quite.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But I still wanted to win. But you wanted to win,
all right, But you got the job. If you've got
the job, you've given the job. Did it ever phone
it in the work? When I say phone it in,
I mean like somehow you know you're good, you know,
you barely.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Need to focus on some sure nookie, you can just
toss it off. Did you ever do that? Do you always?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I take the work seriously, like I said, but not
myself seriously.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
But yeah, but I you know.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And I'll tell you one thing that happened to me,
And it had nothing to do with my intent or whatever,
But one of the first three times I performed Winnie
the Pooh, I had a bit, I had the rest
of the lingering of a of a head cold, and
and I thought, but I had that you know form
more steel mill worker former deckhand worker mentality, it's got
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to go to work.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh my god, I gotta go to I gotta, I
gotta do this.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I have to do this.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I'm going to go I'm gonna soldier through. And it
sounded like pooh out a cord that day when.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It when it went on the air, and I went,
oh man, oh gosh, there wasn't enough neo sinephyrin in
the world to get me through that. So yeah, I
don't and that it's not quite phoning it in, but
it's it's soldiering on when it wasn't necessary because they
could have waited about three days to record. Now, well,
(32:38):
I and nobody apparently because I asked everyone, uh and
and they're going, no, sounds fine, And I was going,
are you sure because all I can hear all I
can hear is I'm about to cough in four seconds,
that's right, and you know and so but you know,
but that's okay if I don't mind being hypercritical of me,
(33:03):
keeps you on your toes, you know, the no doubt
about it.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
And I will say that somehow that's seeing something else
from the acting. Getting back to the lab lab rats,
what's the name of our group?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
And so the fact that I would.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Get in bed to the whole thing do with you
because you love and Joe mantegna.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Uh, the fact that I was doing that for eight
years and every.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Week I was either performing somewhere or working rehearsing something
that we're gonna be doing.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So my acting, I would That's why I wanted to
do that.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I've met this guy with an acting glance, and I said,
I liked him and very different from me, very.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Very Protestant from the tall, blond hair, you know, blue eyes,
you know, totally different from me, you know.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And I said, I had a feeling because I know
he wrote something for murder mysteries, so I figured he
he was I know he liked my acting. So I said,
you know what, let's get together because I'm trying to
(34:34):
get I want to perform a comedy act with somebody
on a sketch comedy. And I said, you know, I
need somebody with formal writing comedy history. I have written,
but not formally, but I'm very creative with ideas, comedic ideas,
(34:58):
and I'm so get together his discipline and my craziness
essentially become a good thing.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
But that being said to, we.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Were acting all the time, and I guarantee you someone
that created courage happening.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Even though that lady gave me a calls.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
He didn't know I was acting it lab Brad, but
she somehow I was putting in If you believe anything
mystical exists, what there is some mysticism in the world,
whatever your religious refiliation. So I feel that I would
(35:45):
putting myself out there all the time and getting my
chomps sampled, toning my abilities.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I was definitely prepared.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
To go in and be relaxed, prepare, aired in courage,
and that's set a whole thing going.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
But my agent getting me.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
More TV bookings that I got, you know, auditioned in
that book, a dozen of the various character parted but
Lord and Law and Orders, all of those shows, Blacklist,
h Third Watch, anyway, various things, independent films, all.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Of that stuff. So all that came from lamb Brats,
All of that work came from want I did when
I wasn't getting paid.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeap, Wow, that's amazing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes
sense though. It really does, because you know, when you
weren't getting paid, you were you were you were perfecting
your craft, you were working on it.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm not only perfecting my cred, but my soul. With
being satisfied, I want to sleep a night feeling an
actor and an acting versus it's just waiting tables and
not even acting, not acting to not get paid.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, so I realized I have to do that. Yeah,
good for you. Yeah yeah, I was just gonna say that.
That's like you can walk into any like you know,
acting one on one class and you can tell who's
a performer and who's not. You know, it's like you see,
it's like anything, you know, like practice makes perfect and
(37:39):
just I see so many people who just like, you know,
they say they're an actor, they say they're this and that,
and it's like, like, what are you doing for your craft?
You're not in class, You're not you know, like exercising
your tool.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, I got to exercise that muscle. You know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
You couldn't call yourself a drummer or guitar player if
you never pick up the instrument. You know, it's like,
I don't know, it's just refreshing to hear that. Like,
you know, we hear so many stories like this, you know,
from various people on this podcast and in general, where
it's you know, it's gonna come if you're so dedicated
to it that you're always trying to come get better
(38:15):
and you know, become a better performer. I mean you
can just see it, the confidence in that. And both
of you tell me if I'm right about this or not.
But I feel like you cannot be self conscious as
a performer, like you cannot. You have to be vulnerable.
You cannot be inside your head Marty, I see the
wheels turning. What do you have to say? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
And you can't be afraid to fall flat on your
face because if you don't take risks, you don't write,
there's no payoff.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
So you know, you know, I absolutely in theory theory
when you say you cannot, you should not. But first,
sometimes because we human, we do had those moments you
were concerned about the cold, that it's sound banned, as
(39:08):
he says, I asked everybody. So he was so not
self conscious. But you know, not self You're but acknowledging
that every.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Time I ever go on stage, I was always nervous.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Sure, but do you feel let me interject really quickly,
because I feel this completely. Do you feel the nervous
And we talked about this with Kensington Tollment about anxiety
and nervousness. I said that it's not necessarily a bad
thing to me, it almost fuels, you know, a performance.
(39:54):
It's like, you know, even even when I played football,
you know, like you get the butterflies before that opening
open it. I played football, yoh yeah your position. I
was a linebacker. Yeah, I was a linebacker, played all
the way up through college.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
The quarterback when you can't do it, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
No, but do you agree that you know, like that nervousness,
that anxiety, for me, it always fueled a performance. You know,
it was like, oh yeah, it's game time, Like, oh yeah,
I'm ready to perform. You know, obviously you get it,
you know, especially on stage, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Where it's show must go on.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
You know you only get one take.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Absolutely, and you make me remind me of mentioning that
that this is uh I said every time, but one
have been in a run for a while of something theatrically,
and you know when it has happened. I sometimes am
(40:59):
to relax before I go on. So yes, like so
I need to manage your factious some energy because otherwise
I'm too relaxed. That's when you stumble.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
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Speaker 3 (41:38):
Do it now?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Do you have a warm up routine like a lot
of actors? Look in the mirror and or do you
know all this ridiculous stuff?
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I never warmed up at an actor and never warmed
up my voice.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Really may explain the ID. Tell me you're not crim
sometime your crim's legally?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh god, no, no, no, But I think Louis Armstrong
was an incredible singer.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (42:14):
There?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So now you're you're in fine shape.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Thank you. I'm seventy years old, Joe, are you really?
I'm seventy years okay? Joke out? Are you doing?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
You know?
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
To do?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
That's saying attitude?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Okay, that's terrible.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
But other than that, it was Tom Waits that was
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Tom Waits for no one.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh I love Tom Waits, love the ice cream Man.
I'm a one man man. By the way.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
By the way, apparently heat Ledger modeled his performance at
the Joker after Tom waits.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Is that I didn't know that, but you get wow.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Apparently he talks about it at some point and in
one of the intuit and sick body.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
On that ship.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah we can do it.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, well, I think this is great man. I'm so
glad you made it to our little rooftop soire.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
This is great. I feel like I can I could
do this anytime.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Great, you have me back, man, Absolutely, absolutely hard to No,
I'm so happy we got to do this in person too,
because we we've been in talks for months now, I know,
and I just you know, nothing against you know, anybody
who's done this podcast on zoom, but I just feel
like there's such a better connection. Oh yeah, more expressivity
(43:51):
you know when we're when we're in person, and yeah,
you know, this is like kind of going back to
like the roots of the podcast. You know, it originally started,
you know, very gorilla. You know, like we're bringing all
this gear to different conventions and pulling people into green rooms.
And I just as a as a viewer and a fan,
I always like the adventure of like where's it going
(44:13):
to be next? Yeah, you know, it's cool to have
a studio and everything like that, you know, it makes
it easy to Yeah, but like on the road, you
know where we can just set up wherever. I think
that's like the heart and soul of this podcast.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
When you mentioned it to me Chris.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Last night the other night, Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you
mentioned it to me, of course I would think it's
going to be signding, I'm going to be.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Exhausted and long convention.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
But I realized the option would be we're doing on zoom,
and I got this sick feeling in my stomach. I've
really got sick feeling. But you see, Jink Cummings is here,
so I had the opportunity to do bless You, so
I wanted.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I wanted to do this on the roof top with
in person. So yeah, absolutely, I'm glad who gives this
ship be dead something?
Speaker 4 (45:12):
And I know me and you know, Jim and I
have talked about this a lot, and it's it's interesting
because you almost get like a surge of energy to podcast.
It's like when you sit down and the cameras and
the lights are on. Notice, it's almost like another like
another surge, because I mean, Jim, I mean, Jim is
a trooper. I mean we've been at conventions for three
days and you know, do a ten hour convention and
(45:35):
then afterwards, you know, I book a podcast and it's like,
you know, there we go. Usually have like a drink
and like gather thoughts and it's like as soon as
we sit down though, it's like boom and it's like, oh,
lay in a bottle.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Lights, camera action, yeah, accent on the action, baby, Yeah,
the action is here.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Yeah. Really, I've enjoyed. It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
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Speaker 4 (46:21):
Do it now. Well, before before we conclude here, start
wrapping it up, we definitely have to do a voice swap.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
So we play this little game on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
It's a voice remember the shrug thing, the strug go
all right, it's easy.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
My teacher in my professor in college my theater said,
mon Pizza of advice fail big.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, there you go, big.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
That's good. That's good.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
All right, So I'm I'm ready for my close as
the mill.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
All right, all right, unlocked up for me. Okay, So
this is how the game works. Jim will do one
of his voices. He will do a line of say,
Winnie the Pooh, you know, stay sweet as honey, something
like that, and then you will repeat that same line,
but has couraged the cowardly dog or one of your characters.
All right, one of your characters that you've played. Obviously,
(47:23):
we have to do courage. And then we'll do that
back and forth. And then you know, we'll switch and
so you do a line as courage, and Jim will
do it as one of his characters, and we'll do
that back and forth.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
All right. Let me.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
All of a sudden, I'm thinking I don't understand completely.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Well yeah, okay, so here the first one as your character.
All right, So you'll start it off. I'm putting you
under the spotlight. So just an iconic line, a line
that Courage says, and then.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
He's gonna do it Winned the Pooh with somebody and
then he's gonna give me a line from Winning the
Pooh and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Do with his courage. Yes, oh, I know an idiot
cannot the Sands instruction.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, I think I'll be because I played for Silly
on your show. I won't be for Silly, but I
will be Chef Pisketty from Curious George.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Yes, all right, I love that.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I love and Pisketty is his name, by the way.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
All right, okay, so who's started chrisy since podcast?
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Well you want me to go?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
All right, you want me to go?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I think you should.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
What you tell me? What be our guests?
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I would do whatever you tell.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Me to do, sir.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Okay, is that the line?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
So I'm gonna do a line of courage.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Right please?
Speaker 3 (48:53):
I have a feeling something bad is going to happen.
I have a feeling sim but thinking bad. This is
gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
For you, Curious Jeorge.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
How about Pete?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Do me a favorite goof.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
We don't have to spread this all over town. Do
me a favorite golf. We don't have to spread it
all over town.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Wow, oh my god, that has rocketed me into my childhood.
That is, that's just a rocketed as killer for some reason, curs.
The Cowardly Dog was massive in Canada. Massive. It was
on every damn day, every day, and I always felt
so bad for that poor dog. Nobody believed he'd be
like freaking out about demons. And what was the character
(49:51):
the old man with the shotgun? What was that character
the old with the one with the shotgun? Didn't he
have a shotgun or confusing mess?
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yes, yes he abused him, yes, yes, oh my goodness.
And like it was like every episode was like anxiety inducing.
It's like going through every party of the fun of.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
The fun, the anxiety, and so many people would come
up to me, I'm not we're playing a game, and
give me you more than that. It's fine, but but
so many people at the convention would come up to me.
This is such affirmation that whatever work I did in
this thing really reached people in some way, that this
(50:39):
character I was blessed to be able to play, really
touched a lot of we're very very anxious, anxiety ridden,
some of them autistic, special needs, abuse bullied people. Look
at courage that something someone who if he can do it.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, it's just beacon of hope in some way.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I gotta believe Woody Allen would have been a huge fan.
I just you know what I'm saying. It seems like
right up his alley, I finally get this guy. You know,
there's someone I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
He's crazy.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Just a dog, you know, am I right?
Speaker 3 (51:27):
I mean, come on, this is dogib.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
Yeah, that's funny. That's good stuff.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
For some reason, the first line didn't do it for me,
But when you said that second line, it just like
rocketed me back.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Oh my god, I remember this so vividly. Wow, that's great.
That's great. Do you have anything upcoming? Do you have
anything that you want to promote or where you're gonna be?
Are you gonna conventions?
Speaker 5 (51:58):
So I.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Do a short film.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
A few years ago that we have been getting into,
been getting into twenty Film Festival, won a few awards.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
You know, Hunter Thompson.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
As Thompson, a fat Hunter as Thompson because of the guy.
But I dressed up like I had to cigarette holder,
I had av and the sunglasses, the fishing hat, of
Hawaiian shirts, all of that stuff, and one point I
(52:44):
shaved my head. I shaved my head completely because he
had just a sides and the rest of the bold.
So I really shaved my hand in this. So if
you see it, you're gonna see my boy tad and
that is really my bull head and I never did
(53:05):
it in my life.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
I co wrote it with a partner, the same part
of the lamprets.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
With cocted it pretty good. Alright, So I'm it's on
YouTube now. It's permanently on YouTube. The name is Hunter
is fucked. But the word the letters see letters you
(53:35):
and see a start out the test tags, so like
the censor shun deliberately and it's very a funny version
of what a day in the life from Hunter Thompson
when you know something that might be happening, and it's
a funny idea.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I loved eighteen minute film. So check it on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah, for you guys watching on YouTube right now, just
we'll link it. We'll link it, We'll link it right
under this podcast.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Oh that's great man.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's easy. That's one click away, so you
guys better watch.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
That's right, stay tuned, damn it.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
That's awesome, awesome brother, Well Thank you so much for
doing this. This was really a lot of fun. I
told you, I told you to be fine, good stuff.
I told you the same here.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
I'm touched and honored same here we are too.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yeah, yeah, and you. I'm so happy that this came
to Fruition because I mean, where were we where we
had such a good conversation. We went out to drinks together. Yeah,
we went out to dinner and drinks. I mean we've
talked several times, but that night, you know what night
I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Remember the nine though, Yeah, with a bunch of the people.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all the all the city starts
to blend together, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, but I remember where we're at a text you.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
But yeah, thank you again so much for doing this.
I mean, I hope you had fun. I had fun,
for sure, a lot of fun. Good stuff. Really amen. Yeah,
thanks Bill, Yeah, it was a good time. And for
all of you watching, thank you so much for joining us.
I hope you like this, you know, little little spontaneous
episode that we did here at San Diego Comic Con.
And we really want to thank all our Patreon subscribers.
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We've really been trying to kick it up on Patreon,
you know, give you guys some exclusive behind the scenes stuff.
I actually had somebody come up to me and say
the other day, you know, they really like that the
little pre roll. Again, shout out to Zach the editor.
He's genius and he includes the little pre role so
you get a little bit behind the scenes before we
even start. If you're watching this on YouTube, you get
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like you know, ten to fifteen minutes of a bonus
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that we put on Patreon that you will never find
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I am producer, Chris the Legend, Jim Cummings, Marty Grabstein.
Thank you so much for joining us once again. That
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to Buddy the Elks. Shout out man, wait, hold on
getting this frame here? Oh God, the beautiful frame it is.
Shout out to buddy. He does a lot of our
research and we really appreciate you as well. All right,
and we will see you guys in the next one.
Thanks so much for tuning in. All but.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Very good.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
We did it, We did it. We scaled the heights
of Aquac