July 22, 2025: Dave's Lopsided Star Ratings, AEW All In Fallout

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sh sh, don.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You go trouple.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
You might plays by a supple stop rock about boxing.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You got God?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Alright, it is Tuesday night in Tuny Town, and that
can only mean one thing. It is time for the
fastest rising, progressing livestream podcast on the Internet. Today, it
is time for Tuny Talk Wrestling Folks. My name is
Marvin and I am the Movie Monster and I am
thrilled to welcome you back to another week of NonStop
wrestling talk action. We've got a lot to talk about

(01:49):
this week, you know what, I think we have to
just get it out of the way right in the
beginning because there's so much Meltzer this week. So that's
Dave for you. So it's basically the entire episode is

(02:10):
almost entirely going to be that's Dave for you this week,
because he has just been on an absolute tear this week,
and well, I need the crew here to help me
dissect it, mostly because I try not to pay too
close of attention to Dave Meltzer because I feel like
my face would melt as if the arc of the
Covenant was just open. So we need our quality team

(02:34):
here to talk it over with us. So first one
got to bring out is the one and only diss yo.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Hi, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
What's going on, buddy?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Not much?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Not a chipmunk yet, am I?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I hope No, you were not a chipmunk yet. But
that was one of the issues that we had going
on before him. But you know, we are okay. So
Kevin Apollo is on his way. He is going to
be a little bit late. He popped in just let
us know. We might be like fifteen minutes late. So
you know, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's all the important people, right.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Awful wrestling is here.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Ah, there is the Nigerian.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yes, yes, the Nigerian. The Nigerian Prince has returned. I
felt like like you have suffered the indignity of Pedro
a little bit too long and it was time to
bring you back to basics.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, not just me, my friend, your entire your entire chat.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I don't know how that happened. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
If only the world, if only you can prevent the
world from suffering from Pedro, Pascalon would be well.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
No, there is no there is no leaf to be found,
there's no stop. I'm seeing that fantastic movie.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Really, I can't wait to see it, see what kind
of train it.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Is about to say, because first you were talking about
how great Mercedes Monet versus Tony Storm is and uh
and and now here you are talking about how great
Fantastic four.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Is going to be. It was all right. Now, you know,
I still haven't seen Superman yet.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But you know.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
The good thing about the Fantastic Four movie is there's
no legacy of wonderful Fantastic Four movies.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Movies. There you have it, there, the secret sauce right there,
I will have I will.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Have no criticism levied against the early two thousands first
Fantastic Four movie because I really enjoyed that. I mean, okay,
Doom sucked. May he rest in peace, But you know
that that wasn't the actor's fault. That was the scripted
For some reason, everyone always wants to give you weird
electric powers. But yes, I've never seen it, you know, really,

(05:00):
so it haven't really been part of my But what
I have seen. What I have seen is the plethora
of wonderful super chats that have been coming in while
we were dealing with some technical issues on the back
end that were entirely my fault. So guys, we count
on your general super chats to keep the lights on
around here, and we do pause for super chats of

(05:20):
fifty dollars or more. And already I can see we
got a whopper waiting for us right here, Regina shop
for one hund hundred dollars. The guy comes on the screen,
comes right off the screen. You're a freaking giant. There's
other guys. It looks like they should be serving me my,
you know, fast food McDonald's or whatever. And say I

(05:42):
could kick their ass. Uh, And that is by Drew
clown gold glow gold glow, gold gloom gold. Now is
this like a Drew McIntire quote. Yeah, The guy comes
off the screen, comes right, comes right off the screen. Youah,
freaking giant. Then there's these other guys. It looks like

(06:04):
they should be serving me, you know, FoST food McDonalds
or whatever. And I say I could kick that rass.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
When did Drew become fat bastard?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
That is my Scottish accent?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
This all right, let's hear your Scottish.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah really, that's your Scottish accent. Please regard us with
your brogue.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Excuse me, I don't I don't pretend that I can
do accent.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I'm very comes right on the screen. He comes right
off the screen. Yeah, freaking giant. There's other guys. It
looks like they should be serving me, you know, post food,
McDonald's or whatever. And I say I could kick that ours.
You actually a little different.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
Yeah, you clarified my joke, because my joke was just
that you're not doing an impression, you're doing an accent.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
That was my That was the crux of the jokes.
The difference between Scottish and Irish. Also Irish would be
like the guy comes off the screen, comes right off
the screen. Yeah, freakingject. There's these other guys. They look
like they should be serving me now, you know, fast
food McDonald's and Shamrock Shake or whatever. And I say
I could kick their ares.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, I gotta workshop my Irish or Scottish accent.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Awful your turn go?

Speaker 7 (07:16):
Yeah, I got nothing, my friend, It'll come off Jamaican
and then somehow it'll be a Haitian and then some
Bariquo would some somehow pull in there.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
But I will say, Regina Sharp, thank you for the
one hundred dollars.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
One more super chet like that, and I think you'll
be able to move into Mars's place.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
About that.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
By the way, I wanted to pool my entire life.
What how much work it is? Like, I don't know.
I was like, Oh, it's gonna be so much fun.
And I'm just like, I'm just cleaning this thing every
day now.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
And yeah, what do you say? The pool angels come
out of nowhere?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
And like you're supposed to have a guy that comes
every week to do it, and he didn't come today.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
To are you sure? Are you sure you want him
to come at all?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, it's already he shows some when I'm home.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
About that.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's where you need a swimming hole. Swimming holes are
so much better. You don't have to worry.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh yeah, and then instead of instead of having to
clean it, you just get flesh eating bacteria and brain eating.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
A meet this guy is amazing.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I was gonna say, you.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Swim holes are great. Sometimes there's fish and snakes in them.
You might get a coal e. Everything's wonderful about a fish,
but you.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Never there's always activity.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, it's always fantastic. Sounds like it sounds like a
fish and a swimming hole is exactly what I need
in my life right now. Anyway, Thank you, for Gina
Shop and also Regina Shop for five dollars. Is just
wanting to add my prayers for Ozzie and his family.
Here's hoping the Bat is happy to see you in
heaven when you arrive. Absolutely the death of Ossie. We

(08:49):
found out live on the Pro Show that that Ozzie died,
and like I literally like it came up like in
the chat and I think Jonas was like mid conversation
and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Gas, yeah, I love us. So you know it was.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I feel like the entire world just like collectively like
went all like that.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Was that was kind of true.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
That was the exact reaction when I was, oh.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Man so and he just had that farewell tour like
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
It was a real fair world.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
It's just just like another w W Hall of Fame
or Ultimate Warrior did the same thing, came back, got
in the Hall of Can we.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Can we real talk about that? I think enough time
has passed. Do you think that maybe like what would
have happened had the Warrior continued to live after that
Hall of Fame induction? How quickly would it have all
blown up?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah? About three months? About three you think three months.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Remember, like this was like pre like Trump election, so
like imagine the Warrior like in the the first Trump administration,
like it would have just been a nightmare for w.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
W WE, not even never, not even the administration.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
The run up to the election is when it would
have happened, because oh yeah, when they all started coming out, right,
So it would have happened during that time.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I think about that all the time. I'm like,
you know, I can't stand the Saint Warrior rhetoric because
I'm just like, guys, come on, I know he's dead
and it's trashed.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
That Sat Warrior rhetoric. Died maybe like three four years ago,
like it was, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Goodness, because I am so tired of this guy being
hailed as this great person. I'm like, guys, let's let's
say it's tragic that he died so young, but let's
not pretend that he was mother Teresa.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Right, gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
In the last what two days, we've lost Malcolm Jamal Warner,
We've lost Ozzy Osbourne, and we all know this ship
comes in threes, Like I dare to think of who
the third one could be.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
I was gonna say, I hope you're not asking me
who's coming next, because I'm not having that.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
I was, Yeah, I was, I was sliding toward that
moment that I had a moment of clarity.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I was just like, wait a second, that's kind of skipee.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
If we got if we were right, we'd be immediately
investigated by the FB.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yes, all B booty bees. It's a wrestling show, all
B booty bitches and bacon with big boobies for two dollars,
says rip Ozzy Osbourne with picture of bat guys. I
hate to be the bearer of bad news to the
bat thing. But like most of those bats, like you know,

(11:25):
weren't real. So I think one time there was a
real bat and Ozzie got the fright of his life.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, that was the bit that was That was the
time that it was a big deal because he kind
of freaked out.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Did he actually did he actually bite the head off?

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I want to say there was one time when he
actually bit the head off a bat and everywhere and
people freaked out because it was like that was the
real time. All the other times were works, but that
time it really happened. And it might be an urban
legend though I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Zach k for four ninety nine Diary of a Madman,
A Great Ozzie Album or Meltzer's Newsletter. R I p
w w E Hall of Famer, ozziain the w B
Hall of Fame? Yep for what.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
For being Aussie? Got damn?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean like yes, like he's Azy Osbourne. He gets
to be in every hall of it. But like, did
he ever do anything ww B? I don't remember I
remember doing anything?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah he was right, Yeah, he was at a WrestleMania right,
That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It was like, well he was he one of the
guest hosts of rob because that is not enough?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes, who wants that too?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I know that for a fact.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
But I think I'm pretty sure he was out of
WrestleMania like it was.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It was.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
It was like two or four one of those around there.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right, Blazing Bolts for five dollars is the rock is
the people's champion, Marv's the people's puppet. We love you, Marv,
I love you, Blazing Bolts, thank you very much. Yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
You don't kill me A two. It was WrestleMania too.
In the corner of British Bulldogs.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh okay, Virginia Sharp for five dollars. I understand now
that Colbert has been released. Oh, now that Colbert has
been released, he's talking about signing with AE W Well.
I mean, you know he couldn't kill their ratings much more.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So forty million dollars in the whole. Come on, Colbert suck.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Pablo Pablo the Real One for four ninety nine says
talk about Peter Rosenberg getting eat via Cornett and Brian.
Last is that the guy who did the Hangman would
get over.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
In any uh in any era.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Nous. He also he also got heat through Cornett and
Brian because they shreds. I don't know what the Peter
Rosenberg thing is.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Have to inform us. We'll talk about it if you
can tell us about it.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
M John Williams for nine ninety nine, and I analyzed
Mox versus Hangman and came to what it was trying
to say, strong man can't beat a mini. No, they
need to let a rich man save them instead by
stabbing the Meani with soyn't I watched that match. That's
not what I took away, But you know it's art
is open to interpretation. I guess right. Blazing Bolts for

(13:53):
two dollars, Mark, can you do a Moxley impression for us?
My Moxley impression is just an impression of Brian last
Moxley impression, just like I acted Drake Blood and Bill
Bones out of Bill Houses.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Out of Bones like just you know, just.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Idiot Edge Lord's stuff. Uh You and Kimia for one
ninety nine says I would rather give her. I would
rather give my money to Marvin than Tony. I would
rather do that to you and Kimma, So thank you
for that. Tony Kahan doesn't need your money. I, however,
do Blazing Bolts for five dollars says it's unbelievable that
Meltzer would give Plumber Moxley five and a half star

(14:26):
ratings for his mud show match at All In hashtag
old senile fart. Yeah, we're gonna talk about it. We're
gonna go through the We are going to go through
the the star ratings for both All In and Evolution
because it's it's pretty insane. Blazing Bolts for five also

(14:46):
says I really tried to get back into wrestling this year.
A few talents I'm a fan of, but rather just
support Tuning Town Wrestling instead. Well, we appreciate your support.
Blazing Bolts. Thank you very much, buddy, great Churchill for
five dollars Canadian says, I pay zero attention to Dave,
so I have have to go to use guys to
find out what the mook has been doing and saying
I have a feeling that Craig might be one of
my people, even matter he's being very offensive right now.

(15:12):
You know, every Itali I just tweeted this, Every Italian
gets to a certain point in their life where all
of a sudden, like they really love Andrea Butcelli and like,
I think I've hit that point because.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Like, like today I regaleou.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Andre well, he's the blind Italian singer that like everyone's mom,
or at least everyone's mom in my neighborhood was playing NonStop,
like while making Sunday dinner.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
All of a sudden, all of a sudden, today, like
I was just like like doing some work and I'm
sitting there going I'm like, oh good lord, It's just
it's in my head. This is something genetic just switches
on one day. I guess I've ended that stage of life.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
I've been informed by the HAD about the Rosenberg thing.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
And yes we actually are talking about that because it's
about the Goldberg interview.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
It' stuff that we didn't so yes, we will be.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Getting Yes, let's wait till keV get it here.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Regina Sharp for five dollars, says G. D. Pedro is
in everything these days. Yes, he is forever runner for
forty nine says don't talk smack about Jade today, diss.
I'll take your honorary Mexican card away and you are
s o l during the next roundup.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
I'm warning you, when did I say anything bad about
j You are that you are like the.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
King of hating on Jade. What are you talking about?
I never said anything bad about the The na a
CP is getting involved. It's gotten so bad.

Speaker 7 (16:42):
If the National Association of for the Advancement of okay
car Gill's progress, Yes.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
The National Association for the Advancement of cargills progress, well done.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Awful. There you go.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
This why you have all those Twitter followers.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
I feel like all of you got together and just
haded to gaslight me about Jaye Cargill. I've talked a
bad about Jane Cargill.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Then you you've got some alternate, alternate self that activates
through your multiple personality disorder like split where like the
entire the entire personality is all based around just hate
and Jane Cargo.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
I don't know, I literally because I've defended it awful
When like people, people were going after awful about Jade's progress.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm like, no, Ken, I love Jane Cargo.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I know I think.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Jane Cargill.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
MJG for four ninety nine says that Ricochet video today
by awful chef's kiss, I howled enjoy a beer or
adult water on me?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Awful?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh, thank you, sir, Bruce.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Sharp for four ninety nine. I'm convinced that Marvin is
Meltzer in disguise and Kevin is the mole that would
be something. Wouldn't that be a great reveal? Uh? And
John Williams forty nine says, why is Booker t late?
I watched your video earlier and so I'm hanging on
your wall, jobber monster?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
What I'm here always talking about? Gotcha? Well?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I don't know if you should have read that out loud?

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Oh, because there's so I have a new background for
for tuning Town TV videos. We put out a new
one and there was a piccolo from Dragon ball plush
that hangs on the wall behind my desk. So I
think that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, so.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
We're all side I right now. We're sure mar.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
All right.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
So we're gonna get to the rest of super chats later.
We've got to move on. We got to get this
show on the road. It's already eight thirty guys, and
we have just been you know, talking. By the way,
huge thanks to aw neck Beard's are mod extraordinaire out
there in the chat saying fel for you to drop
a super chat to ask a question or have your
comment read live on the show. Aw nec Beater is
always keeping you guys uh uh company out there and

(19:08):
keeping the chat in line, ruling with an iron fist.
He is the sheriff around these here parts. So make
sure you listen to everything that he says. Yes, all right,
well gosh, where should we start so much to get
to this week? Should we start with Goldberg?

Speaker 9 (19:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
We want we want camp for that, right, have here
for that?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Should we starts?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, you know what, Let's talk about Slammiversary because everyone
is raving about Slammiversary. I mean, look, everyone's like, oh
w wu is just burying TNA, and then AJ came out. Yeah,
I mean, come on, well there, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
There's still now The thing is that Trick and uh
jac won both like they both have they have w
has all of TNA's big titles right now.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right Well, it's called the storyline.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
And people were very said about that. It's also called
leverage for when you're negotiating your TV rights deal that's
coming up very soon right Like TNA's trying to get
into their first real TV rights deal in ten years.
Don't you think it's a good bargaining chip to say, hey,
you know what my champions, uh they work for WWE,
the biggest different company in the world.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Mike Santana world champion, Like, come on now, Mike, Mike
Santana works in our mail room office right now. Like
he's not going to be the one to give you
a TV deal like a Trip Williams or anybody else. Yeah,
you exactly write this, Like people got to get it
together with these ideas that it's something more than now.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Here's the thing though, like, like someone like Joe Hendry
is not the guy who should defeat Trick for the
honor of TNA, because Joe Hendry is just moving right
back right to the NXT very very soon. So I
think it's got to just be TNA's next homegrown guy.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
And Mike Santana has been.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
I mean, he had that brief sent in WNAW, But
besides that, he's been TNA longer than a lot of
people that are there, you know, because he was in
La X back in the day, so he's been there
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
He's a homegrown guy. Uh, I understand the.

Speaker 6 (21:12):
We we really got to get over this whole thing
about oh, they lost in their hometown.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Like, guys, we got to get past that. We can't.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
They cannot the booking about their hometown. And at the
end of the day, like like that's heat, like that
brings you heat. Like there's like like it's a story.
Occasionally the hero has to hit a low point. Yeah,
and you know it's it's classic booking. It's done well.

(21:41):
They even sold it really well because, uh, Joe Hendry
could have won and uh Frankie Gazarian ran in and
kicked him so he couldn't, so he hid.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
And then the announcer starts telling.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
We're trying to win our titles back. Why are you
doing this.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Like that kind of stuff. The idea that tn A
is getting together to win these titles back. Now we're
gonna start seeing the you know, the front going after
an XT joining together. I could see a lot of
things happen. This is around the time that Hendri's contracts
supposed to be up, so he could very well in
storyline switch to an XT and switch to NXT in

(22:17):
real life, you know. Like that's a real interesting twist
to this whole thing. And also, Slammiversary has never been
their biggest pay per view. It's it's always been like
it's the anniversary paper view, but the biggest paper is
Bound for Glory, so that's coming up in a few months.
Just people need to have patients patience. Yeah, it's it's

(22:37):
it's instant gratification. That's what everyone wants now. And if
you want that, AW gives you that plenty. You can
watch it and enjoy it, and I'm sure you'll have
fun with it, but that's just not what most people
are going to respond to ultimately, right, Like in the end,
you're gonna be happier if you had to wait.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, it is. I don't understand how impatient
people are like, you can draw this TNA versus NXT
thing out for a long period of time, and the
longer the NXT heel has your World Championship, the more

(23:16):
the TNA homegrown crowd should be dying to see him
lose it where they will pay money and tune in
to TV. And like you said, they are talking to
TV networks right now, so of course you're good. That
was why. I mean, look, you know Saint Tony isn't
that wasn't that the reasoning why they put the belt

(23:36):
on Jericho because they wanted, you know, more favorable TV
stuff or something like that. I remember something like that.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Yeah, Jericho front and put to Jericho front and center.
But if I could pontificate for about fifteen twenty seconds
about the the Slammer Versary pay per view, Tessa Blanchard,
I don't care what anybody says. I don't care what
her past shows me. She is is a phenomenal wrestler

(24:02):
from top to bottom. She she she's just so good
at what she does. You know, she's hungry to get
into the big time. And I think on Sunday it
showed a lot of her personality. Great match with her
with an indie art oil great match.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Here's my question to you, guys.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
Do you think do you think that we can get
to the point where TNA is as big as say NXT,
where it's getting the same kind of ratings as NXT,
because it's gonna basically have the same audience, give or
takecause if that happens, then TNA is the number two
wrestling promotion.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Which is you gotta give.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, I know you gotta give your time, But do
you think it's Do you think it's possible? Is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
That's absolutely possible. I give it six to eight months now.
It won't be beating anything as far as like ratings
or anything, but as far as their attendance, it's gonna grow.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
It's gonna to grow. And that's the primetime metric right there.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
How many people are going to show up to your
arena to watch your talent work And that's the longest
short of that.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I think they can beat them in ratings. I think
they could.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Where are they gonna go? Where do you think they're
gonna go?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Night?

Speaker 9 (25:16):
What?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Night?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (25:18):
My I have a it'll probably be. It'll probably be.
It'll probably be the same night there on. Now it'll
probably be Thursdays. But the idea of WWE fighting a
proxy war, like using TNA like Ukraine against.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
A w Oh, now you're getting on geo political here.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Okay, that's a that's a fun thought to think about,
you know.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
And and I think that it would at least divide
the audience if they did on Wednesdays. I think I
think AW would take a hit, a major hit if
tn A went. I don't know if they beat them,
but the problem is that I think TNA will take
a hit too. And I think the best move is
for them to stay on Thursdays. They don't have competitions, right,
It's been the night forever too. It's been the night
for ever. The one time they moved off Thursdays, what happened?

(26:03):
They went to Monday?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And how long did that last? Three weeks before they
were back on Thursdays?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
You know?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, Well, so Bishaff floated the idea that TNA could
become the number two promotion in the world. And then,
of course, you know, raw no, why w's value a
two billion dollars, a number that I just pulled firmly
out of my rear end.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
That day for you.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
That's for you.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Hold on, I know I played it before, but I mean,
while talking about TNA, I guess we kind of have
to go into that. But you know, let's talk about
what Jarrett said first. So Jarrett was talking about because
he's unsure of what TNA's current goal is. I mean

(26:51):
I would say their goal is to make money and
get on a better TV deal, right, Yeah, that seems
like the goal. Talking about Jeff Jarrett, we we have
to we have to do this, right, Why slapping up
some pants double j Jeff Jarrett?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I think.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
I think the fact that Jeff Derrett doesn't know what
TNA's goal is tells us a lot about why TNA
didn't succeed last time.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, the goal of.

Speaker 10 (27:20):
TNA was for me to be a world champion. Nine
evn er look at me, Vince, Ain't I great? Don't
to this day know what the business model is, like,
what is the plan? I don't see no Jeff Jarrett
up there as world champions?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
So what the hell are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And partnerships are great, whether it's ae W or WWE
or Noah or whoever they partner with. I'm trying to
figure out what is your goal here with all these partnerships.
More eyes, Jeff, let me help you more eyes, more
you know, better TV deals come on man, Yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Get other people pay their talent. I think that's a war.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You've now developed a system where anything can happen on
these shows. AJ Styles showing up. I wouldn't be shocked
for Kurt Angles showing up things like that. I mean,
guys that have been big in TNA in the past.
I think you're gonna start seeing them pop up.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Dudley's. The Dudley's just came back there.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yes, and they're an ill advice match with the Hardy
Boys apparently.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
Well, did say debonn lost one hundred and sixty pounds
or something like that from DDP and he says he's
in the NA he's been in the years.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, so who else?

Speaker 7 (28:33):
It's funny how Jeff Jarrett believes that he doesn't know
what's going on. Did he ask the same question a
Tony Kahn when the rug was pulled under him? From
under him when he was getting out of the starting
blocks with MJF and that feud like that went and
came in went in a heartbeat. I'm sure he was
just like all right, now, that's cold, no problem there.
Now he's worried about TNA because he knows that TNA

(28:55):
is on the come up and it's something that he
was unable to do at least for a while.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
But more importantly, what's your goal here? Like what's your direction?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Where are you ahead? To money?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
The point any business is to make money, to.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
Be profitable for the first time in fifteen years or
something like that, like profitable.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Who gives a damn?

Speaker 10 (29:21):
I did a money sucking weekly pay per view nonsense
business model because I wanted to be a world champion.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Ain't A great?

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Then he sold it.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
And I sold it to the Carters and bankert Ankle's wife.
Ain't I great?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
You?

Speaker 6 (29:45):
This has to be disingenuous, right, Like it's gotta be.
It's gotta be because he's smarter than this. We know
he's smarter than this, right.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I mean is.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Thompson, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
On this one? Yeah? So there you go?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
There you go, f Chatpip.

Speaker 11 (30:01):
Why would a wrestling promotion want to partner with the
biggest wrestling promotion on the planet, Like, come on, Conrade,
Like like is the Blue is the Blue Chew going
to your brain, like we understand why.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
They're doing this.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Is it to eventually sell? Like no, No, it's to
make money. That's what we don't know. No, we do know, Jeff,
we know. So it's really hard to understand. What's your
goal here, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I do know.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
It's to make money. It's to get on a TV network.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's to grow like.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
Like an ex president that still wants to know like
secret intel. Like, bro, you're not privy to that no more.
Your time is up. So that's all you're gonna do
is just do guesswork.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
The so if you go the Bischoff stuff, the Dave
By stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Okay, yes, all right. So Ariel Hawani says Eric Bischoff
believes TNA can surpass AW is the number two promotion
professional wrestling within the next year. Dave Meltzer has entered
the chat Ah Dinarie Laskim about the the last time
he was on the show, what he said, a w
was dead and had no chance coming back. Right after

(31:20):
he said that, AW right away did a one million
dollar gate, a three million dollar gate and has a
two million dollar plus advance. Did one of the biggest
pay per views and immediately grew numbers in the US,
UK and Canada with major increases almost immediately after that appearance.
I did let in the latter two markets, so real quick.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Our friend nicolapiccolos in chat and he gave us a
scoop if you want it much.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
That is a heck of a scoop. So, guys, I
don't know if you guys know Nick Lapiccolo, but I
mean he has been all over my x feed for
all the best reasons for the last week. I have
just been enjoying watching him, uh take on the IWC's
agent extraordinaire to many top top talents over in the

(32:07):
we and go ahead, got this.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
He completely took over our Dave segment last week, so
you might remember him from that. But but since then
he has continued to go on a terror. Now he's
telling us that Jeff Jarrett and Contra Actually I heard
something about them trying to start a dirt cheat. I
didn't hear the Triller part. That's interesting, but I think everyone,
I mean, how much is Triller? How much controller be worth?

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Like, if Jeff Jarrett and Conrad Thompson can buy Trailler,
how much can it be worth?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, like seriously, so Nick, thank you for that little
bit of information. That is a that is a huge scopa.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
Fig.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I believe Conrad has enough money to buy Triller. I
mean Triller is what he used to be Fight TV, right.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
I think if we have saved every dime we made
since the start of the show, we'd have enough.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Money to buy Triller right now. I mean, yeah, maybe,
I mean Triller kind of Pollo my friend.

Speaker 9 (33:01):
So Marv chat me up on buying an absolutely worthless
network because I'm not money to burn.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I got money to burn that I'm going to inherital
Rick Flair's money too.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I got a tickpill money.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Chokes on, boy, I'm not going to have any money
left when I die. I'm taking it all.

Speaker 9 (33:28):
Did did anybody hear?

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (33:33):
Who did the was Graves on last time? I'm wrong?
I remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he did the
Conrad joke?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yes, what did he say?

Speaker 9 (33:46):
He's like, well what did he say? He's like, well,
I don't remember who came out. Well, He's like, well,
well chat me up, Bud, tell me what's going on.
Oh god, my gosh, what Conrad boys?

Speaker 6 (33:59):
He did a few inside jokes last night. If you
want to have some fun, just go back and listen
to Cory Craves last night, because he was kind of
all kind of smarkers on raw.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Nick La Piccolos said in the chat, Triller is worth
even less than a W. I believe that, I mean
Triller kind of just vanished from from the conversation, like entirely.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Uh so it's one point nine billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh yeah, that was the other thing he said.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
He said, uh, he said, uh, somebody, some some dork
they did the Rick Flair strut like Xavier Woods did it,
and he said, some dork on the i w C
he told me that was made by some guy named
Fargo or something like that.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, and then Michael.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Goes, yeah, it was Jackie and then Cory was like, yeah,
I was making a joke.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. So Dave Meltzer obviously having
to inject himself in because any conversation about TNA getting
bad and look, I didn't I never thought that TNA
could rise above a W. But with how low A
e w's ratings have dipped and how closely TNA is

(35:11):
now working with n x T, I think you're going
to get to a point where TNA could be within
striking distance rating wise of NXT, which would put it
above a W because NXT defeats a W pretty much
every week.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
And then how long we have we been doing this show?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I don't know, A day? Too long?

Speaker 9 (35:31):
For a year and a half. What have I been saying?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
And t n A the world is the world is
too woke?

Speaker 9 (35:38):
God, Yeah, there's too many wizards and too many indie wrestlers.
Tn A is the actual number two wrestling promotion. They
just have a They just don't have a network to
prove it.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Yeah, we were talking about people were talking about them papering,
that they papered New York and that they didn't actually
sell many tickets, And I'm like, I gotta tell you, man,
if any of these companies are doing last minute ticket sales,
it's TNA.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
I went to that show in Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
The line was around the corner and I thought it
was the line to get in the building, and they
actually came out and said no, no, no, if anybody's
mind up here, you can go in. And only like
four people walked in. Everyone else was actually aligned to
buy tickets. They have It's because their tickets are so inexpensive,
they get a lot of walk ups, you know, a
lot of families.

Speaker 9 (36:24):
So I had friends who were at the show, friends
who were on the show, and first of all, people
saying that just were not paying attention because on two
different occasions, TNA had to expand their seat count because
the tickets sold out super fast. There is an actual ground,
ground swallow of undeniable enthusiasm for TNA that that has

(36:46):
been lacking on the AEW side for the better part
of almost a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's so funny that the people that are that are
insisting that that TNA must have papered New York to
get like another thousand people are the same people that
will will swear to you that you know, ten thousand
people just happened to walk up to all In and
purchase tickets and Tony gave not one ticket away.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
It's the same people who want to pretend that they
sold on Hammerstein and t and AEW wasn't outside giving
away free seats.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Stop.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
And meanwhile, do we want to talk about Aw's venue.
I mean, it was a pretty venue, but to run
that theater, but after your biggest show of the year.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
But you know what, I'm torn though, because that's that
AW should be running like That's what we've been screaming
about for a year and a half. They need to
be running little venues like that.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
But the the tim.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, not the week And you.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
Both spoke at the same time and it was inaudible.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, so no, you said the timing was was awful,
and I agree with you. But what would have been
worse the had they had they run? What if they
had just run in an NBA stadium that was like
a quarter field. Again, after I would have rather seen
a small building packed than a large building with no one.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
It is not a theater, though you can.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
There's plenty of you know, college basketball stadiums in Springfield,
Missouri that you can run.

Speaker 9 (38:10):
That, that's true. But they can't though, and that's that
tiny building was barely filled up. AW needs to understand
that their only choice is to master the art of illusion.
They have to go to small buildings. They have to
find a way to pack the small buildings so that

(38:30):
on TV it looks like there's a lot of people there,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Got to look like there's a lot of people who
are having a lot of fun part of the draw
of an ECW show was you look at that crowd
and you were like, oh my gosh, it's like a
mosh pit.

Speaker 9 (38:43):
Absolutely, and there was nothing better than going to the
Queen's Elks Lodge or to Hammerstein when ECW was in town.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
I think, I think, I think my point. I think
I lost my point there. My point was that they
shouldn't have to be running these buildings. If they if
they think that they are so much better than TNA.
That was where I was getting at with them, because
if if they were teena just ran USB Arena, you'd
be a USB right ubs whatever they were, they ran
four thousand, They put packed four thousand people in there.

(39:12):
And if AW and I know that it's a pay
per view versus a weekly show and all that, but
it still means that it's competition, right, I mean still
at this point can't deny that their competition is but I.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Mean this, it makes you feel better. Nobody watched it,
that's true.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Well watched that they were number five last week. And
actually if no no, I.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Was told by a reputable source that AW did five
hundred eighty eight thousand, zero point one five last night
at that was the first place on cable. The number
doesn't include HBO Max h Let's take a look at
what we have here at the bottom. Jesse Walter's Prime
Time on Fox News did two point nine six four

(39:57):
million viewers. I'm willing to bet that, I'm willing to
bet the key dem I'm willing to bet that the
key demo was was also above a zero point one five.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Well, they changed the key demo.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Did you know that? Mark? Did they?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
No?

Speaker 6 (40:11):
I did well the key demo that's important now is
I believe twenty four to fifty fifty six or something
like that. They knocked it up about five years because
it was the one that aw started doing well in
h So they had to say that one Melter is
out saying that's the important demoy nine.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, so all right, well, Hannity then on Fox News
did two point four nine to one million viewers. And
then in the eighteen to forty nine to zero point
one one American Pickers on the History Channel did five
hundred ninety four thousand people, and Expension Unknown did nine
hundred and fifteen one thousand viewers. So I'm I'm sure

(40:55):
Dave is going specifically on the key Jabbo because that
is all he cares about. But you both actually matter.
It's it's absolutely ridiculous. He just gets caught in lie
after lie after lie. It's just just disingenuous, nonsense bullshit.

(41:15):
Here he is talking about the Oscars. It's something he
was having one of his back and forth with Raj Geary.
The Oscars also don't have people running it talking about
who should win matches. Do the Oscars vote on best
movie or do they just give it to the best
box office? Box office is important, but by that argument,
the most impressive is CMLL. Since they run the same

(41:35):
building fifty two to one hundred and fifty six times
a year, and WM the only runs place is what's
twice a year?

Speaker 9 (41:42):
It makes no sense, no sense. You were it was,
and I apologize to our fans listening in Mexico, but
I'm gonna be very brutally honest here.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Go for it.

Speaker 9 (41:53):
You were in a fucking shit hole with nothing to
do and with no money. CMLL is the there is
so dirt cheap, you're going there to have fun. If
I had a goddamn near free stadium that had almost
damn near free wrestling, that was gonna be on TV.
Playing out of it in the middle of bum fuck

(42:15):
nowhere it be packed two Jesus Jesus is hard mm.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Hmm, so yeah, more just more disingenuous nonsense by Dave. Then,
of course Dave also got uh. He says Charlotte Flair
versus Alexa Bliss has been planned for supper Slab community
note for the win, Dave Meltzer is once again incorrect
especial announced by you Ain't, Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair
will be teaming up the challenge for the women's tag
titles at the show.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
It is.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
It's incredible to me how he just he just makes
ship up based on common sense booking.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
It's the.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Third I'm starting to yeah, you know what the I'm
talking about the conversation we had earlier.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
But uh yeah, I know we are not We are
not calling for that. We are not in no way
calling for that.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
Oh yeah, hold no, no, we can't do that. No anyway,
we already hit three.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
So I also, I'm not saying one hundredercent that he's
just making this up, but I do think that WW
might like to mess with him a little bit, and
it might they might have told someone they know talks
to Dave that this is what's happening, so that he'd
report it and then they could immediately not do it,
and that he looks because they kind of like to
do that. Sometimes you have to admit they do like

(43:43):
to troll a little bit when it comes to the
book their cheeks.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
So either way, it's a wonderful sight.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
I love that the community notes are finally being used
for good because so many times I have to go
in there and downboat stuff because they're being used to
correct Daily Planet articles and stuff like that. So seeing
that it's actually done to correc Dave Meltzer makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Look, I have been having a lot of fun with
the official Luther corp x account where every time they
post something, I post like, you know, hashtag free lex
luthor and you know, oh you won't see this in
the Daily Planned it.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
But it's not a place where community notes. They don't
need to use those.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I'm just saying yellow journalism needs to be called out.
That Lois Lane has had a too good for too long.
All right, So we have something. We have a video
here Dave bish too, So let's see what Dave had
to say about Eric Bischoff, he was.

Speaker 12 (44:42):
On with Ariel Halwane said that one year from now,
and you did qualify this by saying, if TENA gets
a better television deal, they will be.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, if they get a better TV deal, that makes sense.

Speaker 12 (44:57):
That makes sense ahead of AW when you're.

Speaker 13 (45:00):
Feeling a better television deal than the one they have now,
or a better television deal and AW has.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, they're not gonna get better.

Speaker 12 (45:09):
The only way they're getting better television deal than any
w as is if they get on you know what
would be better.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
USA, which you're not getting on.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
You know, I mean Fox, sure.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I could, Oh my gosh, watch I've never I've never
actually seen him laugh before. Like it's unsettling.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
It's in our intro bro he's laughing like a maniac
with this tongue stick about and there was a laugh.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
But that that's not that's not that's not like a
normal laugh. That's just artistically.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
It is.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Gosh, I can't stand it.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
The Observer has always hated TNA, first of all, let's
get that very straight. Ever since ever since t N
a kind of ate r o H's lunch and took
some with Joe and aj styles from him, they haven't
been fair to TNA ever.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
So I remember when when tn A made the decree
that our that tn A talent could no longer appear
on R O H at the R O H shows.
I mean there were they were fu TNA chants constantly. Yeah,
as Craig Churchill just pointed out in the chat, t
n A was hateable for.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
A long time.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
And also you know, hey, I got an idea for
the latter.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Maybe don't have somebody who gets on to catch a
predator running your company.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
If you don't, if you want other.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I mean, didn't you start the company.

Speaker 9 (46:38):
Yeah, we keep forgetting that that was a thing that happened.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That was why TNA pulled talent. Yeah, that was why
TNA pulled their talent. So yes, oh mg, you're so hot,
I'm press hands taking a fox.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
They could be, they could do better.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
But I mean, you know, if it's A and E,
you realize a W is on A is on a
cable channel that is dragging one of the biggest movie
studios in the history of the world under the water.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
They have to they have to literally split off into
two separate companies because of these cable channels and he's
just like, it's the best gable network ever.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
Well, let's let some of this too though. TNN. I'm sorry.
T N T and TBS are two of the oldest
and largest cable channels in existence.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And A E.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
W is just wiley coyoteing itself off the cliff with
no bottom in the hit. That's how poorly they're doing.
It's just a street. Just when you think you're at
the newest low, they fall even further.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 12 (47:55):
I mean, look at what w's doing an A and
E They're they're like one hundred thousand viewers, that's what
you know.

Speaker 9 (47:59):
Which what TENA is doing on Access.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
That's not even a wrestling show.

Speaker 9 (48:05):
Stop it, stop it, David, that that is not that
they're not These are documentaries that are on a ten
o'clock at night. And I think it's funny that he
he happens to ignore when the show when when these
documentaries do gangbusters depending upon who the wrestler is, so
so stop it disingenuous twit.

Speaker 12 (48:26):
Yeah, but the max numbers yas oh, you know, and
A and he's the front runner that you hear about
for if they're going to get a deal.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
And I don't know that the deal is done.

Speaker 12 (48:36):
But yeah, I just thought, but you know, I mean,
I know that he's just taking that for He's just
saying stuff now at this point, just for engagement.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
What's he talking about? No, I get it. But how
can you even sit there and and and and expect
to have an ounce of credibility and not understand why
he's saying what he's saying? No one is talking about
a W. TNA is gobbling up all of the oxygen.

(49:07):
TNA is filling arenas. Ae W can't even fill a
new Jersey Elks lodge at this point? Mm hmm, what
do we What does he mean? And no one watches
this dumb show? I say that the what the ratings
from this last week.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
People cannot be wrong.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
keV got the and include the ten million people that
watched on.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
So here I will admit that I was wrong because
I thought we had another six months, not even I
thought we had another five months before ae W was
this low? Who knew they could fail faster than my
than by bare minimal expectations of their failure?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Hey, I'm raising my hand.

Speaker 9 (49:57):
Around long and for you to be able to finish
the book.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yes, true, Oh, wait shit, all right, let's get to
some super chats and then we'll get back into some
more Dave madness, because, like I said, it's basically the
whole show this week. Bruce Sharp for one nine, Regina
Sharp is Tony Town's Tony Kahan. Well, I mean she's
she's better than Tony Kahn. I mean she's not an idiot.

(50:24):
Regina Sharp then for five dollars is the wrestling Proxy
Wars on VHS for fourteen ninety nine. Uh, mister Jamie
jam eighty eight for one nine says you gent see
how salty TK and the Sickles were to TNA. I
didn't see Tony Kahn being salty? What did he do
that was salty?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Are you kidding me? Marv?

Speaker 7 (50:42):
Listen, somebody had made a prediction on X saying like
once the pay per view, once Lenniversary's pay per view
is over, Tony conn is going to tweet.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Within minutes, bro Minute tweeted. He tweeted, can't wait to.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
See you for Wednesday night, Dynamite, It's gonna be a
great show.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Tried to suck up all the oxygen.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
In fact, that tweet got more views than Dynamites ever
going to get seven hundred and eight thousand people looked
at that thing, and uh, that's what Tony Khan does.
He tries to take the air out of everybody else's sales.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
It's just that.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Doesn't sound I've been told Tony Khan is the nicest,
most wonderful, most wholesome little cinnamon bun that's ever lived.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Really is.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Do you get a feeling that Tony is just desperate?

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Now?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Like that's desperation around this stuff.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
And he should be desperate. That's the that's thing like
aw needs to be operating and moving with extreme urgency
at this point. They they have failed. How old are
they now?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Six years old? They can ride a bike now?

Speaker 9 (51:56):
Yep, exactly. But I want you to say, how does
asterisk this is if this was a regular small business.
I think we've touched on this before. There there there
are certain phases, right, there's you know, there's your launch,
then then there's maturity, and then there's your there's your

(52:17):
drop off. The they they they they skipped maturity. They launched,
they peaked, and then they fell, which means that at
no point in time did they actually develop an actual
and actual stable fan base. Yeah, so it's whereas TENA

(52:39):
for all of its faults, TEENA for all its faults,
some of it, you know, some of it was was
was you know, ill earned. But TEENA for all of
its faults and all of its struggles. The second they
lost the ability to be on Spike TV and they
were floating around the wilderness, they held on to their

(53:00):
fan base. Yeah, we've never lost it. So the point
that to the point that when it when it that
that everybody came back round and realized, oh, you know
this really wasn't that bad.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
Yeah, it's it's it's I also think that uh T
and A cultivated the audience that AW wanted, but they
did it organically while AW tried to force it.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
AW tried to make themselves out to be the little
guy to the underdog and that.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
But no, but it's hard to take that seriously when
you're run by the son of a billionaire and you
get you you immediately get on Turner Networks. When tn
A is struggling for years and years and you see
you see decisions that people go, I can't like Scott
the more leaving everyone thought, no, this is the word,
this is the end of TNA kept Garrett leaving.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
This is the end of TNA.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
This keeps happening over and over again, and somehow they're
still kicking around. And at some point that goodwill is
gonna come back around and you're gonna go. You know what,
Like all it kept said, they're sticking around. There's something
to this. It's not as bad as we thought it was.
They care, They actually care.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I mean Dixie Carter leaving and everybody was like, you know,
this is probably for the best, the whole Coca stuff.

Speaker 9 (54:13):
Yeah, twenty slammer verse with twenty five. Do you think
we're gonna get to all in twenty five?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I do. I do, because as long as there is
anyone willing to put them on TV, he will keep
financing this.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Why didn't you say that? Say that again there, Marsha.
As long as somebody puts.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
There will always be a TV Guide channel or something
to put him on DV.

Speaker 9 (54:39):
Just learn long, learn the lesson from Stephen Colbert that
that five hundred thousand number matters. Yeah, close you get
to being under it, the less of viable you are,
you are losing money. Once you get below of five
hundred thousand. It doesn't matter what's going on, can't sell

(55:00):
ad revenue, which means you're you're just an albatross on
my airtime.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Doesn't matter the dabo dabo, I mean, will there be
Will a W be around in twenty five years, I
don't know, but I think all in will.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think that I think that will somehow survive.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
I think that will be important to people because it
started before a W, So I think that somebody will
keep that alive.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Don't know, Slim wwe all in.

Speaker 9 (55:30):
Karate Masters, Oh no, it will be.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It'll be.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
It'll be a vault all in.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
James James Kopalski finds a way to survive in wrestling again.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
You just put a W and they buy it. That'd
be the way to get.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Anthony j for five dollars. Is My favorite stupid observer
quote was alva Is saying he doesn't get Blakeman Rose
heel gimmick checks notes after one week. Uh yeah, Alvarez.
Alvarez has moments where he's kind of based and then
moments where I'm like, Wow, no, this guy is just
a He's like he a complete idiot. He's not He's
gone all the way dipshit. Recently, I pulled that clip.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
There's a clip in there of him talking about TNA too,
where he's just like TNA going to TNA, Like he's just.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
So it's gonna be TNA, in other words, be infinitely
better than dynamite.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Virginia Sharp for fourteen ninety nine says Jeff Jarrett is
an unfrozen caveman lawyer. He finds your great skybirds and
this thing you call fire confusing, Oh my god, slapping
up double j Jeff Jarrett, keV. You weren't here for

(56:50):
that when we were reading the Jeff Jarrett quote where
he was just like, I don't understand what TNA is
trying to accomplish for.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Like make money.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
But I saw the I saw him, I watched him
say it, and I'm like, what do you mean? Like
at this point, why they signed such a small deal.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Why isn't Carlos Silva the champions. I watched an episode
of Impact and there was not one match that ended
with a guitar shot and me winning a world title.
They're missing the entire port of what this is.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
How can Carlos Silm be taken personally, be taken seriously
if he hasn't taken Mike Santana's wife yet.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Oh Mike Middleton for two seventy nine Canadians, as Dave
came while writing that tweet, I'm sure he did. C
WJ one twenty eight for five dollars. Why couldn't Aw
run the NBA Arena in Dallas the day after?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
All?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
In after getting thirty k ps? If you are TNA,
maybe Nick Con can help you get a TV deal.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Yeah, you'd think that Nick Con and the TKO guys
might be able to actually, uh, you know, help out
with some uh you know, some connections there. Regina shot
for fourteen ninety nine says AW was the top rated
show in original scripted athletic programming that comes on Wednesdays
after five pm but before nine pm. In the eighteen
twenty four at the forty five sixty four demo, Andre

(58:30):
Adams for nine nine nine is how long before Meltzer
uses the Chewbacca defense for ae W? What's the Chewbacca defense?
You don't remember the Chewbacca defense from South Park? Chewbacca
is a Wookie the Wookies from I do not remember
be a Wookie as a tactic. John Williams of four

(58:57):
nine NINEES Oscars, Love White Savior Movies. No wonder why
Dave thought soy Boy Cowboy beating Neil Moxley was great
but not a rapper.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
Uh yeah, I know how stupid he was gonna go
on forever. By the way, Holy cow, we thought that
he was gone.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (59:16):
He was on Wednesday. He was on collision beating up people.
Co Cobana is now somehow involved in this whole thing.
It goes Yes, you heard right, Co Cobana got choked
out by John Moxley.

Speaker 9 (59:29):
By the way, Cold Cabana, you look like a Scottie Goldman.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Oh yeah, let you in here. All right, guys, Let's
take a look at what Alvarez had to say.

Speaker 9 (59:50):
Then?

Speaker 13 (59:51):
Is really the big story?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I could not He always has just this this smarmy
look on his face. It's no matter no matter whether
he's like like going back at Dave or just saying whatever,
He's always got that same look on his face.

Speaker 13 (01:00:08):
Believe my eyes. When Joe Hendry did not kick out,
I was certain he was going to kick out and
he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And then exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
It's called storytelling. It's it's like being like like I
can't believe Moxley didn't lose the belt like a month
after he won it, Like, come on, man, it's storytelling.
You want to have your belt on a We've explained
this before earlier in the show, but you want to
have your belt on a h n XT guy while
you're shopping around to the TV networks. It makes sense.

(01:00:42):
It gives you more exposure, it makes you look like
a bigger deal.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
And also too well, all of him finish this point
and I'll make mine all right, people can people can
end on something intelligent?

Speaker 13 (01:00:53):
I laughed, Like what it's in New York?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Like everybody remember when remember when Kenny Omego won the
TNA world title and then dropped it to Christian on Dynamite. Yep,
we and Tony Kahan cut ridiculous, cringey heel promos on
TNA that were not allowed to be answered. And we
have that confirmed that they were not allowed to be answered.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
And Evan's on the show, by the way, yes confirmed.

Speaker 13 (01:01:22):
Everybody is expecting that Mike Santana is going to win.
And then they did this. This was like NXT TV finish,
not the finish of the main event of what you bill.
Like all throughout the show, they were talking about this
is the biggest TNA pay per view of all time. No,
that was finished. I was like, okay, well, something's got
to happen, like you know, I don't know what, but

(01:01:42):
this can't be the end. And then you know this, uh,
this bigfoot Silva comes out and and he gives a belt.
It's a trick, and it's over and the show is over.
And man, I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
they got you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 13 (01:02:01):
We can't just have a TNA show without it being TNA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Okay, all right, go ahead, pev unleash, Unleash the dogs
of war. I'm gonna go get a drink while you talk.

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
So this stupid, little insipid twit. So this what is
the other major pay per view for TNA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
The only major It's Bound for Glory.

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
And the reason that he said, the reason they said
this was the biggest pay per view was because it
was the most attended the pay per view.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
That's what they're revering.

Speaker 9 (01:02:31):
So depending on your depending on your opinion, right, it's
either Slam Aniversary or Bound for Glory. Is TNA's WrestleMania, right, Yes,
so you have TNA's biggest show, and god knows how long.
The TNA is really hot right now. But and so
you put them, you put the woman's title on the
NXT Superstar And what does that mean for TNA? TNA

(01:02:54):
and it's at its highest heights, is in the middle
of its darkest hour. So when you roll into the
next biggest show that is the most important to TNA,
what do you think is going to happen there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Right right?

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
Because ye, Mike Santana is going to be the TNA champion.
We know Joe Henry isn't long for TNA. Someone needs
to chase Trick, who's done a phenomenal job being a heel.
The someone needs to chase Trick. And when Trick finally
loses at the actual biggest show of the year, Mike
Santana is now a certified Mega Superstar and TNA can

(01:03:35):
launch into a whole new era.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
And for the people in the chat saying we aren't
actual TNA fans, I went, I've been a TNA fan
since day one. I went to the nationlle shows once
every other month or no whats every six weeks, So.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
What is an actual TNA fan? Because I was watching
on on Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I was.

Speaker 9 (01:03:59):
I was, I'll admit it because what are you gonna do? Uh,
we're past the statute. My friend had a black box
and we were watching those TNA pay per views every
week every week because no one wanted to drop the
penny for us.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Everyone, everyone had a friend who had a black box
and you went to their house every Wednesday night. You
watch the TNA pay per views.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
How many times in the show have we made fun
of Apollo? Have we made fun of s c X?
How many times we've quoted I'm gonna slap that freckle
off your fat fucking ass pounds?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Come on, don't get I was the Manty Brown super fan.
I was a heck. I loved Team Triple A. Hector
Garza was my hero, Like the X Cup was my
thing that's ever happened in wrestling, so so so the.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
Dumbass who said that in in in the chat go
for a walk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And if you want to compare, because I see a
lot now it's.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Like, oh, now you're CNA w wasn't so bad the
TNA were they Here's the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
The TNA save.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
The TNA savior is going to come from tn A.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
The tn A Savior is not going to be a
former TNA wrestler who is signed to the other company.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
It's going to be Mike Santana. It's going to be
at A.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Should be at least it's and if it's not, then I'll,
you know, I'll eat my words. But oh hold on,
Nick Leapiccolos, Santana's going to w W.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
Yeah, he's definitely going to w B eventually. But spoiler
we we yeah, we've been talking about that was our speculation.
So if it's official now great, but that was our
speculation a while. Like, but he's still he's thought of
as a homegrown TNA guy. You know, he's he was
in l A X, he went through all that, he
went away to a W and then and he went

(01:05:52):
back to the TNA w AW and pan out. That's
that's why he'll probably and you know, of course plans change,
and if we're wrong, I'll totally admit we're wrong. If
it ends up being aj Styles wins the title and
then loses it to you know, Devon Dudley or something
like that, then.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Short, yeah, yeah, can you imagine, but so fact like
Studley's versus hardy boys match. They're saying that because last
time I saw Devon he couldn't walk. So did d
DP magic him?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Divon did?

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
He said, Uh, his demise was greatly over exaggerated. But
also too he did he was he was getting therapy,
lost some weight strength enough. So I also, but I
also don't think he's gonna be doing a lot in
terms of bumping. I think you're gonna see an old
school E. C. W. Dudley's match where you're just we're
we're just punching and kicking and brawling through the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I bet too.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
I bet his kids are somewhere in the mix there.
They're probably gonna do a lot of the work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
So all right, let's take a look at this other
clips is Dave head to head so of you.

Speaker 12 (01:07:03):
Know, like going head to head when you don't even
try to have the superior product head to head compare it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (01:07:10):
There was no comparison you went in there with, you know,
not even a championship match, a tag team match.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
With Okay, it's your opinion, it's not a fact the match.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
I wonder, well, do we have a buyer rate yet
for this show?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Right, Yeah, they don't have it. I thought we're gonna
get it chefy Chevy, said mar pull the Dave Meltzer
when he said Goldberg would win the title from gun there,
I said that as my opinion and addressed it as
my opinion. I didn't cite inside sources that I was
charging people money for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
That's the difference. We made predictions, not spoilers.

Speaker 12 (01:07:54):
You didn't do it in Dave Meltzers, Eathan Paige, as
you know what I mean. It's just it were matches
that nobody cared about it at any level.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
No one cares about Ricky Stars was either Paige? Since when.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Also, you know, you know who cares about it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
The more people that watch NXT than watch AEW, that's
who cares about it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:17):
We walked out of that weekend and no one was
talking about this pay per view other than the people
who were stuck in the phantom zone still watching it.
The So what I other than I know you guys
watched it right the no one ae W. They were
talking about NXT and evolution. So that means that WW

(01:08:38):
one at the.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
End of the day, WW one before it started, because
no one was talking about the pay per view, they
were all talking about w W counter programming, but no
one was talking about how excited they were for boxing page.

Speaker 14 (01:08:51):
Yep to the U against the show that was so
well built up, Like why why make yourself look second
rate when for the most part most people think you're there?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
So I'm sorry?

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
The point he's making here is that they shouldn't have
gone head to head because they weren't even trying.

Speaker 9 (01:09:10):
Mm hmm. What number one people understand like the words
that come out of his mouth?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Do you not understand the words your mouth?

Speaker 9 (01:09:21):
So you're saying And which is actually a point that
we made on this show, is that w TW didn't
even really try with with with Evolution.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Of course, that it was just another weekend of shows
to them, right, so so that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
They didn't even try and they still stole all of
the attention.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
And put on a way better show Evolution. What's fantastic?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Not according to Dave.

Speaker 9 (01:09:47):
Because because Dave is scared of women the so it's like, bro,
what are you talking about? Did they you gotta make
yourself look second rate? Well, so, first of all, I
don't even know what fantastic to build. I know we're
supposed to be pretending, you know, in the news space area,
that that that ae W has made these massive improvements,

(01:10:08):
you know from what I'm what I'm hearing on the
radios and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
The uh.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
But I don't personally see it. I just see a
I see a show that is so boring it can't
get more boring than what it actually is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
So it's it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
Has the illusion of an improvement. The but the uh,
no one watched the show. There was nobody watching for
the lead, and so does it really matter? This show
is the personification of of of the art of the
r Och theory. If there's a if there's a great
wrestling match and no one's there to see it, how
great is the match?

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
I think I think part of it goes to the
same thing that people had with like Oscar bait movies,
where it's like, if you are over four hours long,
you will automatically be considered for an Oscar type thing.
I think with AW, it's hey, they had a story
line last nine months, isn't that great? Look how much
better they're doing now one of their storylines lasted nine months?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Like are they They're really grating on a curve there?

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
Because if that's if that's what all we need to
change our opinion on a w booking. But that's what
everyone brings up when you when you ask him, like
what is better, They're like, oh, didn't you see they
like the death Writers went on for so long?

Speaker 9 (01:11:24):
Okay, dude, what was the story though? What was the
story of the death Writers? Mean? When the neo Moxley's
beat up a bunch of brown people and then eventually
moved on to the Cowboy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
The only one that would have made sense is if
Darby won and he didn't and he didn't, so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
You know, I think they hot shot it all in.
So that's how that goes. That's why they weren't able
to follow through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
We're gonna get to some star ratings in a minute,
but first let's get to some super chats. Virginia shott
for five dollars and just figured it out. Dave doesn't
dye his hair. It's all burned from him trying to
think that's a really good one. I'm sorry, My goodness
split ends. Regina, you get this one list, give it

(01:12:15):
you got very big. Regina shot the Strong Woman of
Tony Talk Wrestling. John Williams of one nine nine says Brian.
Criticism of TNA back then is funny because his criticism
of a e W is what he wanted t NA
to be. Now that he's got it, he hates it.

(01:12:36):
That's actually really funny. Craig Churchill for five Canadians is
Dave speaks, my dog farts the same results noxious hot gas.
John Williams one nine nine. TNA will outlive us all. Well, yeah,
t A is uh has proven that back Matt Hardy,
you cannot du hata be bestar?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
There you are?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
What did I What did I do? Where I posted it? Oh?
Somebody posted the Coldplay thing and it was Leda and
Edge and I tagged you in its bath wheater you wore?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Are o.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Blazing bolts for five dollars says Kevin Apolo should put
Meltzer in the Steiner recliner. He would break break them forever.
Runner for one ninety nine says Regina making it rain
like Flair at a strip club.

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
Hey, you know what real quick shout out congratulations Rick Flair.
He announced to Day that he is cancer free.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
So oh, good for you, Good for Rick Flair. Well
done with skin skin cancer?

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I think it was okay? Andre Adams for four ninety nine.
Alvarez was voted most likely to own a windowless white
van Oh Unculture Barbarian for five dollars While watching the
Steiners versus Williams and Gordie and sheep Hurders versus Fantastics
this morning, it's g ring how much better classic tag
team wrestling was?

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
You mean when there was an actual art to tag
team wrestling where it wasn't just four guys doing spots,
When when there was actual like thought put.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Into it, but nobody could just run in through the ropes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Well, hey, listen, Dave believes that the greatest tag team
match to ever take place on US soil happened this
past weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
So actually, can you get get Before we get to
the ratings, we should play the Melter throwback as a setup.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Okay, we will, we will that one KQ for five
dollars in New Zealand, says Dave's is. The first triple
threat was pretty subparm match doesn't hold up to the
books versus Asprey and Swerve. We're going to get into it.
Virginia Sharp for five dollars is to you the day
of WWE Grace your pitiful Village was the most important
day of your life. For WWE, it was Tuesday, trying

(01:14:53):
to do it round Julie, but I couldn't.

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
It was Tuesday, n.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
It was developmental, all right. So let's listen to this
clip the Meltzer throwback before we get into the star ratings.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Says, I know there was supposedly an issue years ago
with the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
This is from twenty twenty three.

Speaker 13 (01:15:16):
Young Bucks Nuts twenty twenty one and Backstage Awe Show.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, it's ten twenty three, twenty twenty one,
Young Bucks not shaking hands?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Is that why they are not? True? It is true?

Speaker 13 (01:15:28):
Is is that why they aren't under a WWE contract?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
At this point?

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
They seem way too talented.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
To not have Sorry, I gotta I had to stop that.
It's also a clip from an old one.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
This is actually from like twenty fourteen, because this is
the best of That's why I just wanted to I
wanted to place the time right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Oh okay, it makes sense. God, an NXT deal.

Speaker 15 (01:15:46):
I don't know if it's you know, if they're great,
and I don't know that there w wants I mean,
if ww wanted them. You know, they they would probably
pop from something and tell them to late breaking news.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
If WWE wants someone, they will offer them something. Four
nine please.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Turn to shake hands.

Speaker 15 (01:16:07):
But I mean, if you watch the way that young
Bucks work, it's not WWE style, it's the farthest thing
from it. And they're small and and you know that
which is not a kiss of death, but it's it's
a negative.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It's closely so.

Speaker 15 (01:16:22):
They're well, you know, I mean, who knows, they may go.
But I mean, like you know, the whole thing of
doing a million super kicks and stuff. I mean, it's
like it even kind of what they do, it even
kind of bothers me sometimes, you know, I go because
it's like, okay, I know that's the gimmick and they're
trying to get under your skin and that's the way
they do it. But it's just like you know, and
and I will say that when they worked with O'Reilly

(01:16:45):
and Fish and what was the other team that they
worked with on those two I pay per views, goud
goes either to the team they worked with in Toronto,
I've already forgotten and they absolutely killer match.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It was a shilling in Kashida.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I think so oh for the point.

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
That point was that he he specifically said that the
Bucks are too much for him sometimes, that the super
kicks and all the all the stuff is a little
too much for him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
The things that now he loves more than anything in
the world.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Right, Yeah, that was too much for Toronto match was
so fricking great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
And then you know, the the New York match was
great too.

Speaker 15 (01:17:21):
They were just incredible and Credos did such a great
job of you know, he sold that super kick to
me where it's just like he made it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
What it should have been.

Speaker 15 (01:17:29):
Where it's it's like so campy that they keep doing
it that it's now fun as opposed to, God, not
another superkick you know where, which which we used to
be my attitude watching him, because God, they're doing that
over and over again, the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Wow, he's being critical of them. That's very interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
He's he's also saying that he likes the Bucks because
they're so good. They're so bad, they're good. That's basically
what he's ain't it's campy, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Not those guys are you know you watch them enough?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I mean they do you know your original soh is
the three way?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
The Hooligans of Time Splitters and the Young Buds. Yeah,
what a freaking great match.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
That was awesome.

Speaker 15 (01:18:07):
May when when I saw them, like, you know, it
is funny because when they were in TNA, I wasn't
that throwed by them at all?

Speaker 9 (01:18:13):
And people in TNA weren't that thrown by him?

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
They you know, Oh my goodness. All right, So let's
get into some of these first. I want to do
the star ratings for the Great American Bash, and I'm
gonna go through these pretty quickly because you know, Great
American Bash. Javon Evans versus Jasper Troy two point seven
five stars. I'm sorry, what two point seven five stars?
The Rappers? So the Rappers, Sol Roka versus is He Dame.

(01:18:39):
NXT Women's North American Championship one point seven five stars, come.

Speaker 9 (01:18:45):
Back, Let's come back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Ethan Page versus Ricky Saints for the NXT North American
Championship three and a half stars.

Speaker 9 (01:18:54):
That matter was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
I mean, you know, here's that. I agree with you all.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I agree with you, Paulo, but it actually I would
probably put three and a half stars on that match,
but I was ranking it out of five. It's just
Dave goes ahead, wait till you see when we get
too later, and you'll see why it's so wat.

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
I'm sure it's a bunch of words I can't say
on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Fest Yeah, Oba Femi versus Yoshiki in Amura for the
NXC Championship two point five stars, Blake Monroe and Jordan
Grace versus Fatal Influence two point seven five stars.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Remember when Riah May was the greatest work women's worker
of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Remember when when when she was in uh, when she
was in AW?

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
You mean, yeah, well, Maria May doesn't exist anymore. Now
she's blaking. But when Mariah May existed, she was the
greatest female worker.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Of all time. Hot, you know, hot prospect, blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Now she's failing in XT and she's having two point
seven five star matches.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
And how dare you leave me? I mean leave aw.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
There's a reason for that.

Speaker 9 (01:19:57):
No. Was she tired of being forced to uh do
eighth grade lesbian stunts because these girls can't actually wrestle.
Because I are we gonna talk about Mercedes complaining about
everybody watching the uh the sixty nine Tombstone.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
Oh no, we can though, you can bring it up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Oh what what?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:20:19):
She wanted a tirade because the A E W put
the clip up on Instagram and it had more watch
hours than anything A W was put out in its
entire six years.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
How dare all of you watch a clip of a
thing that I did on a shove? How dare you?
That was not meant for the male gaze? All right,
all right? It was meant for I. I I honestly
don't know what it was meant for, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I'll tell you, darling, it was meant for me to
be outrightous function cut it's cunt?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Do you know what? Do you know?

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
What's more telling about that is that they pulled it
after she complained about it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
They pulled it. Are you serious?

Speaker 9 (01:21:07):
He doesn't have creative control?

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
Oh okay, So let's I'm gonna take a little we're
talking about Mercedes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Let's take a little detour here.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Mole posted something earlier in the week saying that somebody
remember how it said, like remember how I said no
one would ever get the book in aw And it said,
what if I told you somebody was going it was
going to do it? But they're not going about it
in traditional ways, and then later in the week that
he uh Mole alluded to someone taking over the women's division.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I just feel like I need to bring the rest
of these bitches up to my level, and like I
don't have creative control, despite the fact that, like I
said one time that I have creative control, but like
I don't have creative control over me, but I have
creative control over the women's division. I just happened to

(01:22:01):
be in the women's division. So like it's all kind
of like complicated. Don't think about it too much. Just
enjoy the ride.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
I will say that Mole's comment that they were doing
it in non traditional ways does give more credence to
uh Nutbeard's prediction that mercedesradiction that she will become his
trophy wife, that that's her goal is to marry Tony
Kahan and be his trophy wife.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Now Tony Kahan has has a weird hate boner for
the Beast Mortas. All of a sudden, yeah, that's that's
more ready for Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Randy Orton versus Drew McIntyre two point seven five stars,
Okay Fair Solo Soca versus Jimmy USSO for the United
States Championship three point seventy five stars.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Okay, the point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
That is the bullshit right there? Seven?

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Or is it l a tail right like one of
the other l A Night versus Seth Rollins three stars
point three point five stars.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Wow, okay, interesting, good match, awful ending.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Gunther versus Goldberg for the World Heavyweight Championship three point
five stars fair so far so the biggest thing. The
biggest thing that uh w W got on Saturday night
was three point seven five stars for Solo versus Jimmy USA.

(01:23:36):
You ready for Evolution, the show that everyone says was
the best show of the weekend pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Much, let's hear it. And we also guess at these stars.

Speaker 9 (01:23:49):
Don't demean yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yeah too late, keiv.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Al right, w w E Evolution. Becky Lynch versus Lyra
Valkyria versus Bailey for the Women's inn Continental Championship. A
match that people are saying is a match of the
year candidate, and I agree, one of the best three
ways I've ever personally watched. It was super fun. Four
point two five stars.

Speaker 9 (01:24:16):
Oh woman got more than a three, And it wasn't
Tony Storm, not doing anything remotely impressive. J C.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Jayne versus Jordan Grace for the NXT Women's Championship three
point two five stars. The Judgment Day of Raquel Rodriguez
and Roxemperez versus The Kabuki Warriors versus Lexiblissen, Charlotte Flair
versus Soul Ruka and Zaria the Women's Taxica Championships three
point two five stars.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
It's among because I see keV getting mad just hearing
these numbers. Wait till you hear the all in numbers? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Tiffany Stratton versus Trish Stratus for the Women's Championship three stars.
Jade Cargill versus Naomi three point five stars.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
That was a five star classic.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I'd go for at least yeah. I'd go four, four,
I would go four. I would easily go for the
twenty Women Battle Royal three point two five stars. Eo
Sky versus Rhea Ripley. Then Hashtag versus Parentheses versus Naomi.
A match that people are some people are saying is

(01:25:31):
one of the greatest women's matches of all time. Potential
Match of the Year four point seven five stars. Okay,
are we ready for all in?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
Chatie's even saying it like, you know what, his evolution
ratings aren't awful. Let's put it in context, Marv.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
No, No, they're normal.

Speaker 9 (01:25:54):
They're normal, and he got a factor to it's an
all women show, so he grated them on a curve.
If these matches will happen individually on a paper on
a regular pay per view, no, no, they would look
like it would have looked like us Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Wipes awl In Texas, July twelfth, The Sons of Texas
Dustin Rhodes, Marshal, Von Eric Ross, Von Eric, and Sammy
Gavara versus Shane Taylor Promotions two point two five stars good, fair, fair,
Big Boom, a J and the Conglomeration versus the don

(01:26:29):
Kallis Family three stars. Again probably about good. The three
stars is pretty much like the bare minimum that he
typically gives AW matches. I don't know what happened in
that Sons of Texas match, but is a rare one
for them to.

Speaker 9 (01:26:45):
Sorry, what did he give?

Speaker 16 (01:26:48):
Riaa Eouri Okay, thank you, okay, f t R F
TR versus The Outrunners three stars Okay, the Ops versus
the Death Riders.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Now we're in the main pay per view now three
point three point seventy five stars. So the opening the
match that we liked is equal to the biggest star
rating he gave Saturday to WDB YEAHF MJF versus Mark Brisco, Takeushta, Bandido, Mystico,

(01:27:24):
Josh Alexander, Anthony Bowen's Ricochet, Roderick Strong, Brody King, Juice Robinson,
Coda Abushi, The Beast, Mortas and Max Caster in the
Men's Casino Gauntlet? Four Stars?

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Who won that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Who did with that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
MJFF? The match where it was literally two guys would
be in the ring doing spots while the other twelve
were unconscious outside the ring until it was their turn.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
To come in.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Yeah, I got a question. I got a question, gentlemen,
why are Battle Royals getting star ratings?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
To begin with? Question? What the hell?

Speaker 9 (01:28:03):
And it was a it was a crappy worked Battle Royal.
I'm sorry, I get it. No wrestler, Battle Royals are
not fun, but like, can we at least pretend in
a e W that we're doing the goddamn Battle Royal?
It's because it's just I'm gonna I'm gonna do my
spot's move ring and you're gonna lay down, pretend to

(01:28:25):
be hurt, and what's my spot's done? You can come in,
so I go, I can go, pretend to lay down
and be hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Well, they might as well. It's basically the equivalent of
lining up like you're waiting at the community pool to
go on the high diving board.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
Yeah, we we talked about it. Also, the casino batter
Royal in and of itself is a terrible idea. Or
the casino gauntlet. It's not a bat royal, it's a gauntlet,
so one fall.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
To a finish too.

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
You could so the first person could pin the second
person in the mask be over before the third person
comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
But instead every time it lasts all the way through.
It never ends.

Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
But you know the match isn't gonna end before number
eighteen or whatever random number they pick comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Dustin Rhodes versus Kyle Fletcher versus Sammy Gavaarra versus Daniel
Garcia for the facant tnat AT Championship three Stars. Okay, oh, interesting,
he doesn't love Dustin, so he never has. He was
vicious to gold Dust back in the day. The only
person hated the only person he hated more than gold

(01:29:29):
Dust was sable.

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
Yeah, and Will he also trashed him when he was
teaming with Dusty back in the WCW two Will.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Osprey and Swerve Strickland versus the Young Bucks five and
a half stars.

Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
Hold Up time Out. I watched the vast majority of
this match, and it was the stupidest flippy, dippy horseshit
I think I've ever seen. Yep, the the, the the,
I can't remember what they went into, like three false
everything got kicked out and then the what was it
the knees spot, There was the street garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Garbage, not not not even not even like so the
Young Bucks came out to dead silence, No one cared,
no one reacted to anything until they started kicking out
of everything. Because that's how the Young Bucks get over.
It's just by kicking out of everything. Meanwhile, the Jackson,

(01:30:32):
the Jackson brothers look like if they took an actual
like punch to the face from an actual man, they
would be out like a light in two seconds.

Speaker 7 (01:30:42):
They're not even when you saw their their ball licking intro,
that's what kind of killed the crowd in my estimation, Like, yeah,
that was atrocious, and the Young Bucks do a curious thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Somehow they gained some sort of like wacky superpower during
the course of their match. I'm like, oh, it should
be it.

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
But yeah, I'm supposed to believe Nick and Matt Jackson
kicked out of a flying doomstone, Like, give me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
A fucking break with that, the two it was a
spike on top of it, right, yes, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Let us not forget Also that it wasn't just the
Bucks whose entrance took the wind out of the arena.
Will Osprey had his twenty minute long Assassin's Creed entry
that too, and Jojo came out and sanging Shaka Khan
before swore some.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
For no good goddamn reason reason, No, oh, you didn't
see that. You didn't see Bret them send out bray
Wyatt's fiance with fireflies on the screen behind her, singing
Shaka Khan and then and then said whose house? And
then Swerve just came out to his normal music.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Yeah, kept, I was gonna say. There wasn't even to
bring him to the ring. It was before his music started.
They still did his music, and they actually had two
rappers come out with him, didn't they.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
And it wasn't like it wasn't like it was a
situation where like it was just a musical like performance
before the entrance. This was after Osprey's Assassin's Creed entrance.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Yeah, and it can.

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
It had nothing to do with anything everything on the show.
It was almost like a side.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Show apparently with swerved theme.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
So gives no one, no one. I hate when they
do this because I don't want to like this deep
cut ship. Yeah, I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Let kept go, Let kept go.

Speaker 9 (01:32:32):
He spent money on someone saying Shaka Khan, Chaka Khan,
Shaka Chaka Khan. No, No, Ain't nobody, Oh, ain't nobody. Okay, okay, okay,
I'm I'm sorry, like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
What people, People didn't people.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Remember when remember when people didn't know what it was?
When Punk came out to uh to a f I
uh and the A W Pants had an absolute attack
about it. By the way, Nick Lapiccolo and the Chat
just said, I have not been offered Osprey, the Bucks
or Okata, but I am preemptively passing on all of them.
Now breaking news, Chris so Women's Gone Casino Galllet, Chris

(01:33:17):
stat Lander versus Megan Baine, Willow Nightingale, Ta Melo Becla,
Julia Hart, Queen Amanada, Mina Shirkawa, Athena funder Rosa. Uh,
what do you say? It's Suri Suri.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Alex and Alex windsor four stars Alex windsor do.

Speaker 17 (01:33:36):
You want to talk about Alex windsor do you want
to talk about do you want to talk about how
she now she got hired and has the same deal
as will Osprey when it comes to travel because she
is will Osprey's partner.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
I don't know if they're married.

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
But I don't actually, okay, I was the mother of
his children. I don't know for a fact that has
anything to do with will Osprey. I do know that
she is she is in a relationship with the Lost Prey,
and that she now has her travel paid for and
has a full time has a job with a w
so that's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Good for her.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Yep, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
So I don't have a star rating here for the
hurt syndicate versus the patriarchy?

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Wait?

Speaker 9 (01:34:18):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
I don't I don't see it. I don't see a
star rate I have. I have this on two different
images right now, and I don't have a star rating
for this match. Uh wait, hold on, this is a
Sammy swerve.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Uh what the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Yeah, I don't, I don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
He'll tell us, shuttle, tell us tuttle.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Well, I want to say. I want to say it
was somewhere in the three point something range from what
I remember Tony Storm versus Mercedes Monet four point seventy
five stars.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
It was good, and that's why he rated. That is
why he rated Ria and EO four point seventy five
because it had to be equal to Tony Storm and Mercedes.
It could not exceed it because there is this that
was the greatest women's match of all time, never mind

(01:35:14):
the fact that it was probably the third greatest women's
match of that weekend mark.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
It was four stars. The reason you didn't see it
is because it was this three way tag. It wasn't listening.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Oh okay, So four stars for the Hertz SYNEKD versus
the Patriarchy Tony Storm Mercedes winn A four point seven
five stars. So four point seven five stars. That is
at the level of Sean Michaels versus The Undertaker at
wresselminging a twenty five yep.

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
He said that it is better than or. It is
as good as Rio versus Eo was. Also, it was
better than Bailey, Becky and Lyra. Also the casino better
Royal was better than Becky and liter.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
You say, well, that match was good. They didn't chow
down on each other's box. It's a psychology of me
as a forties pin up celebrity.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
You see, you see who they've got the going up
against Tony Storm. Now, don't you I know Athena the
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:36:17):
She can't cut a promo to say, yeah, well, she
can't cut a promo to save her life. Here's her opportunity,
her big chance. And she's talking through the side of
her mouth. She's like, she's got that. Yeah, she say
what am I to do here?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
She she does that that a WK.

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
Please tell me I'm still doing Joan Crawford even though
I ran out of Joan Crawford material eight and a
half months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
So now I just now I just drop f bombs
and hope that people think I'm interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:36:45):
Three George Collins Dancy words. I use them explicitly.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
The only reason Athena is getting the push is because
this is how Mercedes gonna get both titles.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
She's gonna be able to get both titles by beating
one person.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
Having Athena and Tony feud, so then she's not marying
both then I mean, honestly, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
So busy, Like it really saves me a lot of
time just be able to got beef belts in the
same time.

Speaker 9 (01:37:16):
Was Ember Moon was over for like five minutes, and
then she got to the main roster and Finnce was like,
does she mute? Does she speak? Someone give her a
mic and she's spoken.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Oh no, Athena is a hustler.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
I gotta tell you, man, we so I used to
do that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
I used to do a wrestling network a long time
ago and one of the shows, for some reason, Athena
called in every Saturday night to one of the shows.
It must have had twelve listeners and like this was
this was ten years ago, and Athena would call in
every Saturday. If she was at an indie show, she
would call in. If she was at home, she would
call in, if she was no matter where she was,

(01:37:56):
she would call in. She's a hustler. I'll give her that.
I got no respect for Athena, but she's.

Speaker 7 (01:38:01):
A hustler, gentleman, because she called this ten years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:38:07):
She's a phenomenal athlete. Yeah, phenomenally.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Yes, she finisher is awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:38:13):
Yes, her finish is incredible. Over how much long is
she gonna do it? Doing it because her hips will
right eventually, But she cannot cut an interesting promo to
save anyone's life.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
That's the reason.

Speaker 9 (01:38:26):
I mean, I mean a life period anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
There's a reason no one listened to the Saturday Show,
is all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
All right, Moving on, Kenny Omega versus the laziest man
on the planet Okada. I'm convinced he's just not trying anymore.
Like he he is just he is, so he looks
so bored. I don't you know, I don't think he's lazy.
I think he's bored.

Speaker 9 (01:38:52):
He he is, you know he is.

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
He's immediately after WHOA, my done, I was just gonna say, rich,
that's when he.

Speaker 9 (01:39:04):
Cashed the check. I have realized that, Oh no, I
have to stay here. Now cashed the check.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
This this match, this match was nothing special all it
was boring.

Speaker 9 (01:39:23):
You've got Kenny, I want to be anywhere, But in
ae w Omega Versus Okada, I cashed the check and
now I can't leave. I should have never signed that
deal with the devil knock them or is laughing at
me right now?

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Sounds like these guys need as.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
This match got four point stars.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
Haven't we seen them do this match at W two times?
And each time they do it it's just diminishing returns?

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Uh, it's been This is the fifth first in a
because I'm I know, but.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
This is the classic. This is the match that he
gave like seven point five stars to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
John Moxley versus Hangman Adam Page the AW World Championship
five and a half stars.

Speaker 9 (01:40:25):
That dog shit was five and a half stars for.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
That glorified snub film the match, the match where they
pulled up the ring apron to get a table and
exposed the fact that there was a bed of nails
underneath the ring, and then left the apron up so
that people could stare at the bed of nails that
they weren't using yet until Claudio Castignoli saw that the

(01:40:48):
apron was up exposing the bed of nails and had
this look on his face like for fuck's sake, and
walked over and pulled the apron down.

Speaker 9 (01:40:59):
Claudia has not been more over than John seen him
saying his name and passing on spackdown, Right, but aew
is second company, Dude, this was garbage. There is another
garbage match, like you know, listen, ACW had plenty of

(01:41:20):
garbage matches, but at least those were charming. This is desperate, pitiful.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
And worse yet, and then keV they were monetized back then.

Speaker 7 (01:41:32):
You couldn't just see knew Jack, you know, do the
things that he was doing on a weekly television show
that that was reserved for a pay per view and
especially for their DVD collections.

Speaker 9 (01:41:42):
So that's why we're so shocking when Spike going through
the fire table because it happened on TV. Yeah, this
is pass. This is like XPW XPW early two thousands,
coming on after the Howards Turn show on CBS. Pass Like,
who cares what's left? What's left? You're you're you're doing,

(01:42:03):
you're doing the the the you're you're you're scraping the
side of the of the bottom of the barrel that
Mick Foley wouldn't even turn over. Right, the kids say this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Beard Beard with the comment of the night a CW
matches were garbage matches, but no one tried to convince
us that they were better than Steamboat versus Flair, and
there you have it right there. But they also did
have Guerrero versus ben Wan Dian Malanco and stuff like that,
so you know, and then you and Cumius is new

(01:42:40):
Jack greater than Oxley? And I agree with that? How
would you not? All right, so let's do a couple
of super chats and then move on. I just now
I cant The star rates are so stupid. Let's see
c w J one two dollars is what is Dave
Melcher's excuse for WWE's continued success.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Because start good, head start, head start. Yeah I had
a head start. Yeah, the n w A had a
head start too, but we don't talk about that. Blazing
Bolts for five dollars is when I get married in
the future, I want Marv to be the pastor and
saying his Rick Flair voice, This love I don't need,

(01:43:23):
I don't need no pre nub I'm in love.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
This is gonna be it.

Speaker 9 (01:43:30):
Forever forever?

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Uh, Christopher Miller for five dollars. Has more people talked
about cry Baby Goldberg this week than all in We're
gonna talk about cried Baby Goldberg?

Speaker 9 (01:43:42):
In a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:43:44):
Actually to be I pulled two clips and I think
one of them is very charitable to Goldberg, and I
think one of them kind of points out that so
we'll we'll be able to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Decide for ourselves.

Speaker 9 (01:43:54):
It was it was they've bolting down.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
No, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Fuck that guy blazon using bolts for five dollars is
My mom overheard Marv doing the monet voice and asked me,
that's who you hang out with, and I'm like, yes,
every Tuesday. Ha hang, I was with Thursday too. Blazing
bolts tell you why they're sometimes. I think Mike Melton
for six ninety nine Canadians is imagine the Undertaker setting
up Brock for a tombstone for the belt and win

(01:44:19):
the feud, but instead dropping him and he chomps on
brocks balls.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
That would that's I'd like to not imagine that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Well, I he was in your favorite match of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Aful When did I say it was my favorite match
of all time? Marvin?

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
You were raving about it. You were just like this
this match pleased.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Me, and get the fuck out of here. Listen, I
said in a vacuum.

Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
The match is great in the context of the entire event,
like when you when you're watching the Seven Hours of
the Ship. Yeah, it's very draining. So I gave it
a second shot, and I was just like, it's a
good match. Is it four and four and a half
stars or whatever the hell? Meltzer said, Hell no, but
it was better than the first time I watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
I am sharp.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
I appreciate.

Speaker 6 (01:45:08):
I appreciate you attempting to gaslight Awful the way that
you gaslight me every week.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
It's all right, Awful Awful's undying love of that match. Notwithstanding,
we do have to move on. I can't spend all
this time talking about Awful and his just weird infatuation
with the Mercedes Monet versus Tony Storm match at all.
In I heard he actually got it tattooed on his back.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Just would you have super chants to read?

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Uh Regina shop for fives? His big boom aj and
the conglomeration sounds like a seventies progressive rock band. It
does CWJ one twenty eight for two dollars is NXT
tonight has fifteen hundred aw at most will be one fifty.
I guess you're talking with people in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Regina Sharp for five says, oh lord, at this point,
I'm more likely to watch Tony Storm thespian adult film
in the hopes of a match breaking out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Sheesh uh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Regina Shop for ten also says, you just don't understand
how tough I am. We need to have matches show
how tough guy I am. That says, I ain't got
no time to bleed, but I'll do it anyway to
prove how tough I am.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Can we?

Speaker 6 (01:46:18):
By the way, when we're talking about the follow ups
the biggest shows of the year, does anybody want to
talk about the fact that the death Writers are just
continuing to be the death Writers and nothing's changed since
Moxley lost the title.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Having a change like he's just here.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Yeah, he's still choking out people with changed he I
don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
To do mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
That just lets me know that all in was hot
was hot shotted.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah, I can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
It's almost as if they never lost the championships.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
So while we've got uh Nick here in the chat,
I would like to talk about Nick making the Internet explode?

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Are these in particular order?

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
I mean not, they don't really have to be I
don't think. Okay, we have a couple of examples. So, uh,
Nick Leapiccolo, Agent of the Stars has uh angered the
i w C. How did it start again? Discs I
know we covered it last week, and that feels like
a million years ago. He says.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
He he said something that made sense to Dave Melter,
and Dave Meltzer freaked out and and and this he
was finally someone who wouldn't let it go.

Speaker 9 (01:47:26):
So mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
So let's see here. Nick says, this analysis to look
at me, I did this one should be I'm sorry
about that. Okay. So this is this is uh bj
Bethel bj Bethel our friend who is the one? Okay, okay,
so there is an order.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
There is an order to let me figure it out here.

Speaker 6 (01:47:44):
Sorry about that. I didn't think there was, but okay, yes, here,
So this is the one I'll put all.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Right, you read it. So this is in response to
them saying that Blake Monroe character is not working, and
Nick says this pr hit is part of a coordinated
smear campaign targeting me and the former aw talent now
thriving in the WWE and represented by Paradigm, including CM Punk,
Jade Cargill, Russeve and Blake Monroe. The pattern is obvious,

(01:48:15):
the intent is the intent is malicious. We see it,
we document it. Yes, and the BJ Bethel BJ Bethel
to BJ Bethell, who best known as the guy who
is the one who said with you know, absolutely with
with trust me bro as his source. Uh that ae

(01:48:36):
W gets like a you know, another five hundred thousand
viewers on Max every week, which started this whole maax.
So uh, he said, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
I'm sorry, Nick.

Speaker 6 (01:48:48):
Nick did correct this because we did talk about it
last week, but we didn't say that we should have
set it up again. Nick did post a picture of
his daughter and got attacked because he posted the picture
of his daughter that said that she doesn't enjoy she
went to a show and there wasn't one death match
at WWE when she when he took.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Her to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
Yes, yeah, that was that was kind of the like
I said, we covered it last week, but yeah, that
is the that's where the start.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
And he said, I also made fun of w W
your previous post. Yeah, because that's what a normal human
being should be able to do, to be able to
give it to everybody like and people should be able
to just handle criticism, but not the aw fans.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
So bj Bethel, the guy who started this whole ridiculous
mystery max number thing, says an agent shouldn't be this stupid. Okay, well,
and then when we got next, I believe that is
not it is this one here. I need to pull
it up.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
It's not clicking. It's not more, but it's not letting
me click it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
All right, So Nick says, didn't let me click it?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
What's going on? No, it's not No, it's I've clicked.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
I haven't clicked anything in like a second here, dude,
that was the last one. This one, that's it right there?

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Okay, all right, are you good? Yes, I'm good, Live
tv P. I wasn't clicking anything, dude, it was just switching.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
It was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
So I'm just saying Jonas doesn't have these problems Nickolos does, Uh,
smiling so wide right now? He blocked me, so I
can't respond, But who cares. It's all bots in his
replies anyway, probably more than actually read his columns, suing

(01:50:24):
you would be putting a hat on a hat. But
thanks for helping me build a case. Discovery will be
fun wow that they are. They are scared right now
from what do we got next to us? And now

(01:50:45):
what analysis are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
This is uh?

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
This was the Uh, it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
What was it I had?

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Maybe it's a video I pulled it?

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Was?

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
This about how W doing terrible? Yeah on Netflix?

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Right, it's about doing bad on Netflix?

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
And yeah, oh okay, you.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
Know the week before they announced the absurd amount of
watch hours that W has on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
So Nix's this analysis is trash. No one seriously expects
AW to replicate WWE on Fox gains just by adding
homes on MAX. Setting that bar creates false expectations, undermines
the talent, and sets the company up to fail. Let
AW run its own race. Let WWE run there. So
scaling a company this big, this fast is incredibly hard.

(01:51:35):
MAX is available in seventy countries. Netflix reaches one hundred
and ninety. That's a massive gap in global reach. Netflix
operates on nearly triple the international footprint. This is true.
Netflix is the number one streaming service. That is, if
you don't count YouTube as a streaming service. So and

(01:52:00):
and MAX is not even in like the top like
four I.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:52:05):
The analysis. I'm sorry, I'm saying this is the analysis
that he So, I found it okay, but yeah, I
just want to bring it up and we can go back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Can I see it now?

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Do you want to read it?

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
You want to?

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
You pulled it up. I wanted to show. I thought
i'd let them read it. Oh, I'm glad you think
this is funny, he says, I think everyone knows the answer.
The idea of that adding all those new homes wouldn't
make a major difference is equally as silly and proven wrong.
That SmackDown moved to Fox every week would lead to
giant increases if one is true, the other is true.

(01:52:41):
We have proof that one is true, that that is
not an equivalency.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
And then there all right, Yeah, I wouldn't let me
click on it before, and that's what was So, he says, no.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
One cares about ECW's ratings and it's heyday, but the
brand is still revered today. A W has far more
resources than e W you ever did, and he's built
a roster full of talent. It shouldn't feel like a
wrestler's Disneyland forcing it into a w WE shaped box
only creates toxic pressure that helps no one. Just my view,
I want both to succeed. A monopoly helps no one. Oh,

(01:53:17):
hold on, Nick just said in the chat Tony Kahan
talks to Meltzer more than his own roster and executives. Well,
it shows, it definitely shows. I've heard that too, and
I think, uh, yeah, I've heard I have heard that
as well. So yeah, now that makes sense, all right.
So I'm just trying to see if we've done everything.
All right, So the DJ Bethel, We've done that, yep.

(01:53:41):
So now one one of the things that awful, that
thing that you told me about earlier. Were allowed to
talk about that, right, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Sir, I was given the permission.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Okay, so awful you told me that that that Nick
said to you that essentially he is the only actual
agent representing wrestlers right now, right like there's not many
like proper talent agents like Barry Bloomer, I guess essentially
has kind of a racket going on.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
In a w but.

Speaker 9 (01:54:12):
Mojo represents some people but mostly.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
The Yeah, so essentially it makes sense now that they're
trying to tarnish him because a you know, a quality
agent is going to get better deals for the talent
and cost the company more. So I think that makes sense.
And he said, he said Mojo is not an agent,

(01:54:35):
so but yes, els is tea. Tony Kahan text Meltzer
during live shows to ask him what he thinks and
then he changes things.

Speaker 7 (01:54:46):
I can totally believe that we've seen roof of that
in the last year and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
I believe that admitted to it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
That actually that actually lines up with things that I
have heard people talk about that Meltzer is essentially helped
to book a w I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:55:01):
Gonna say it's connected in any way because I don't
know for sure, but you know, I did. Mold did
post today that he said that he knows that someone
outside of the company knows about their booking.

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
It very well could be that would seem.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
To line up. That would seem to line up with this, because.

Speaker 6 (01:55:14):
And Meltzer in the past he admitted to booking the
Brody Show. He or he told he told Tony to
make changes on the Brody Tribute show. He said in
an interview on a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
He let it slip, So I'm sorry to repeat that.
Cut the audio for me for a second.

Speaker 6 (01:55:31):
Oh sorry, He let it slip that he helped he
gave Tony advice about booking The Brody Show, that he
made changes on The Brody Show.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
So, in other words, his his entire star system now
is completely irrelevant because he is helping. It is true,
he's helping to book one of the companies.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Take it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
How would you take his opinion seriously? That would that
that would be like like like Bruce Pritcher going going
on TV and being like, I'm gonna rate w W
E versus a W.

Speaker 6 (01:56:06):
Yeah, it's he and like I said, he's admitted to it.
It's not something, and now he tries to deny it
all out and he gets super angry.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
If anyone brings it up.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
Of course I don't book But even if he wasn't
booking it, it's booked in the spirit of Dave Meltzer.
Everything is booked exactly on Dave Meltzer's playbook. And the
only reason that there was ever a comparison to Bill
Watts is because Dave Meltzer had compared h you know,
or said that he likes to be to be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
To be Fair Jr. Said that really stupid thing where
he compared Tony to Bill Watts.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Yeah, but you know, Jr.

Speaker 9 (01:56:40):
They're they're both human beings and both are male, and
both have stood in wrestling rings. It's the blackness is uncanny.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Tony Kam wore a cowboy hat one time. So somebody
somebody said, isn't Alexa Bliss rep by Mojo? And Nick said, no,
Alexa Bliss is rep by me? Well, tell her, I said,
tell her. I said hi, and that I miss Larry Steve.
Larry Steve. Larry Steve was was her pig who was

(01:57:09):
like an Internet sensation, and I loved Larry's I followed
Larry Steve's Instagram and I mourned the death of Larry Steve.
He was such a cool pick. He was some pick
that was a that was a that was a fifth
grade literature joke. Glad you got it. I'm glad you
got my Charlotte's Web joke.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I was there, Travis Fanicas, is Bill Watson is rolling
over in his grave? That would be impressive, as you know,
he's not dead. He was an hour and a half
away from me. Yeah, thank you for getting my joke.
I've always had this.

Speaker 6 (01:57:50):
I've always had this thing where at some point I
was gonna go find Bill Wat's house and just look
at it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
I wasn't gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Looking at you, No, I say, you're gonna put your
binoculars up to your eyes and the first thing you're
gonna see is Bill Watts just sparing down the barrel
of your binocular and then then you're gonna pull your
binoculars down and he's gonna be standing inches in front
of you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
That's the point is that I would.

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
I would go with the intention of telling him how
big of a fan I was, but I'd be too
scared because he's Bill Watts, right, Bill Wats eighty ninety
years old. I'm afraid of Bill Watts. I don't care
how old that man is. I've sared face to face
with an old Harley Race and that is scary.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
So all right, So anyway, guys, this is a developing
story that developed by the day. I'm sure we'll have
an update for it next week. But this has definitely
been interesting to watch because it's refreshing to see somebody
that's not afraid to step to you know, the the
IWC mob. So I am appreciative of seeing it, and

(01:58:54):
apparently I would. I would assume that the folks in
a W are unnerved h by because I mean, i mean, look,
he's repping Jade, he's reping C and Punk, so you know,
I'm sure they've told him many things about how things
run over.

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
There, do you Okay? So earlier today I saw something
come out from uh f w W.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Okay, Now we we've seen that Nick has started representing
repping a lot of guys who are and women who
leave AW and go to WW. So do you think
it's a coincidence that f wor W put out something
today where Marina Shariff decided to Marina Shaffir decided to
accuse somebody without naming them, of being creepy to her,

(01:59:40):
someone who recently.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
Left AEW, Like, do you really think that's a coincidence
that that happened? Probably not? Probably not. I mean, there
is a concentrated effort against these people that are left,
that have left AW, that are being repped, you know,
by a legitimate agent. It makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:59:55):
And for it to come and for her to be
so vague and even where it was like, because the
whole thing was she said that like she was she
was working out and the person got on the treadmill
with her and acted like she was and acted like
he was working out the same way she was, and
then took a back bump on the treadmill. And she

(02:00:17):
said that she wasn't good enough friends with this person
to make it normal, so that she thinks she came
off as creepy to her.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
And then yeah, so that's what that's the accusation.

Speaker 9 (02:00:29):
And the treadmill was on. Yes, that doesn't make a
look of sense.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
How do you how do you backbump on a running treadmill?

Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
And I guess maybe a back bumped off of the treadmill,
like maybe she just misspoke or you know, it was.

Speaker 9 (02:00:42):
Communicated impossible that either it's all of it is a
self deletion attempt. So I won't buy it. I don't
buy that for a dollar.

Speaker 6 (02:00:54):
Yeah, I don't, and I don't. I don't buy it.
And I think that it's timed. I think it's timed
to sound like like.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
It's it's because of this.

Speaker 6 (02:01:04):
I think that, I mean, there could have been something
maybe maybe a guy jumped on the back of her
treadmill and like stood, you know how you stand on
the side of the treadmill while it's running, or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:13):
Maybe something like that or walked over, But I don't
This makes no sense, and they're.

Speaker 7 (02:01:17):
Trying their damn this to make Nick look Piccolo look radioactive.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
Yeah that's what it thinks like.

Speaker 7 (02:01:23):
Yeah, it's not really gonna workI agent.

Speaker 9 (02:01:28):
This is a bunch of petulant children on a show
no one watches, and the rest of the public opais
assent to it thinks is a is a joke, So good.

Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
Luck with that.

Speaker 6 (02:01:38):
And if it was real, if it was real and
it was someone Nick represented, they were just said the name.
The only reason they didn't say the name is because
they want people to think it might be you know,
that's what I'm guessing.

Speaker 9 (02:01:51):
Well, we can't say the name because the lawsuit would
be spectacular, like for you're an MMA fighter. You you
mean to tell me that you can't handle a uh
uh uh. You know one of the one of the skinny,
scorny play fighters that you that you hang out with
that roster.

Speaker 6 (02:02:10):
Yeah, but yeah, fur w posted it today. If he
wants to look at it, it was right before we
went on.

Speaker 9 (02:02:15):
That's still around.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
The site. W Yeah, that is the site.

Speaker 6 (02:02:22):
Yeah, that's Melter mm hmm, that's Alvarez isn't it Melter
and Albarez, both of them.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
Yeah, all right, all right, guys, are we ready to
uh to to move. We'll we circle back to this
topic next week, so I'm sure there'll be more to
talk about. Uh, but we're ready to talk about Goldberg
a bit before we end for the for the night. Yeah,
so so we we we talked about this a little
last week, but we didn't really play the full clips,
and the rabbit hole is a lot deeper than we

(02:02:49):
thought it was.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:02:51):
I would do the the one that says Goldberg on
their first and then do the picture and then do
the second Golder. This one, I think is the one
that he's getting a lot of riticism for, and I'll
play this first, but I think the second one is
more charitable to him.

Speaker 18 (02:03:04):
All right, let's see you mentioned him for a moment there.

Speaker 19 (02:03:07):
I just want to ask, as a dance partners, as
you know, a guy who is one of the faces
of the company, now, would you think of him working
with him for the first time.

Speaker 5 (02:03:15):
I just really apologized. Number one, I clipped him once
with the right hand, and number two.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
Uh, I'm sure he was fine.

Speaker 5 (02:03:24):
Yeah, man, I laughed when he chopped me, but I
didn't know what to expect, because you know, you feel
these chops throughout your career a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
And okay, I'm sorry you laughed when he chopped you.
Look at that chop, m.

Speaker 6 (02:03:44):
And my my thing is is that there's no reason
if he hadn't brought it up, then everyone would just
think this is Goldberg being Goldberg and his character.

Speaker 4 (02:03:51):
But the fact that he brought it up. And listen
to listen to why he says he laughed.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
And they're loud.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
Man, it looks like they heard they You know, you
look at the skin and uh, it leaves some good
marks and it's devastating. Look, it's a great work punch, right,
But I thought it was gonna hurt more, that's all.
And it just startled me.

Speaker 9 (02:04:14):
And I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 5 (02:04:15):
And I really apologized because I didn't mean that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
That's not Also, okay.

Speaker 9 (02:04:23):
People people really bitching about this. I mean, you've never
been in a real fucking fight. I don't want to
hear it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:29):
I shouldn't do it. You shouldn't do it to Goldberg.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
He shuldn't that that berries You think one looking good
and sounding good, but not hurting is the point.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Yeah, it's the point.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
It's it's literally the point.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
Number two, It is altogether possible that Gunther is not
hitting a however old years old man Goldberg is, especially
given the fact that he's a legend to hasn't been
in the ring in years, as hard as he would
hit Jimmy Usso.

Speaker 9 (02:05:05):
Yes, I'm also going to explain what Goldberg is trying
to say to people. So sometimes when you get in
a physical altercation and your adrenaline's pumping, your reactions don't
match what is actually happening. He demand flat out said
it startled him. So he heard the sound, he felt it.

(02:05:26):
He was anticipating hurting, it hurting, it hurting more. It hurt,
but not as bad as he thought it was going
to hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
So he laughed.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
And I get that.

Speaker 9 (02:05:35):
Nothing wrong here. Why are you acting like petulant fucking
children because the news cycle's slow.

Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
No, I get that.

Speaker 6 (02:05:42):
I get what you're saying, and I understand it. But
if he hadn't said anything, then it would have just
gone off. As if Goldberg was laughing, because that's his
character and he's Goldberg and he's so strong.

Speaker 4 (02:05:54):
The fact that he said something.

Speaker 3 (02:05:56):
The thing about going through that. Everybody in every.

Speaker 6 (02:05:58):
Interview, shoot or or whatever comes out and says, you
don't want to get shopped by Gunther.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
Guther's chops really do hurt, and for him to come.

Speaker 6 (02:06:07):
Out and do that, it just seems like it's it's
it does seem like he is cross like going over
that line necessary.

Speaker 7 (02:06:15):
First off, it's not like Goldberg and Gunther called this
match on the fly. There was you know, I'm sure
him laughing after the chop is all a part of
the match. It made sense in the moment. I don't
even know how this is quote unquote news. The only
thing that makes it newsworthy is that gold is bringing

(02:06:36):
it up again. But as far as the chop, it's
not like, oh so it didn't hurt as much, Great,
no big deal, Moving on.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
The piece work.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Brother.

Speaker 9 (02:06:48):
If Goldberg had this conversation in ten months, no one's
talking about this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
This is a.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
Look Corner talks about all the time. He's like the
real experts, the real talented guys, or Brian Last might
have said it. I'm sure Cornet has said it too.
The truly talented guys were the ones who looked like
they destroy you. But they barely touch you, because this
is you know. It wasn't until like the Japanese tape

(02:07:16):
traders started becoming wrestlers that we started getting into this
situation where everyone's got to take everyone's head off, and
everyone's got to break everyone's blood vessels, and everyone has
got to just hit everybody for real and just make
this a you know I.

Speaker 9 (02:07:30):
And also also the reason that you work out and
you have the big muscles when you wrestle is so
there's a lot of meat there. You hit people really
hard in safe places where there's meat chops than the
test because your chest thick.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
Because I'm not saying that, I'm not saying they should
actually hurt, but I'm saying when the entire company and
everyone who's ever talked about it act like Goldberg's or
Counter's chops hurt, don't you want to at least sell it?

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
Now, I agree, I agree with this from a cafe
perspectives because at the end of the day, I agree
with you when when when that chop hits and he laughs,
it does look like it's it's good for the Goldberg character,
But for him to go out there and be like,
oh yeah, he didn't even touch me. I'm just like,
come on, man, like, could you at least try to
sell it, like you try to like make this guy
sound credible. I know everyone knows it's a work, but

(02:08:19):
as as as Jim's as gyms iss all the time,
we don't have to rub their faces in it.

Speaker 9 (02:08:27):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:08:27):
I don't understand why do Why do you have to
go out there and say that, like the guy's chops
don't hurt, like when everyone says that the guy's chops hurt, like.

Speaker 9 (02:08:33):
Because Goldberg, why do any of these guys who should interviews.
It's why.

Speaker 3 (02:08:44):
It's the point that you're making that Goldberg shouldn't have
done this interview.

Speaker 9 (02:08:48):
Yeah, or or again, we know we don't pissing moment
every time someone does a shoot interview, we kind of experience.

Speaker 4 (02:08:56):
That's kind of our gig here, is that weissing when
people do interview.

Speaker 9 (02:09:00):
It's like, I just I just don't. I don't. I
don't get the TV, the the collective outrage. I don't
think of what he said was that bad.

Speaker 7 (02:09:08):
I don't think of what he said it was was
bad at all. I mean, I think he's just working
and working.

Speaker 9 (02:09:14):
It hurts it didn't hurt as bad as he thought
it was gonna hurt, and it startled him and he
reacted accordingly.

Speaker 3 (02:09:21):
All right, moving on that, it's.

Speaker 5 (02:09:23):
You know, his move, but it's just it caught me
off guard and I completely broke character.

Speaker 18 (02:09:30):
It's a great photo though, that one that we just showed.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
I mean, look at that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:36):
I mean, I know, it's just I can't believe that
I did that. I feel so bad, man, because I
love that kid, and to be able to have my
last match with him, uh, it was freaking awesome. The kids,
the kids extremely talented and man when I love to
have a chop fest with him and you know, have
ten more.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
I have never seen Goldberg throw a chop ever, Like
has any am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:10:01):
Does Goldberg have a third chop? I've never seen Goldberg.

Speaker 6 (02:10:04):
I think I think I did against Brock a little
bit when Brock was doing his job.

Speaker 9 (02:10:08):
So yeah, old man Goldberg, I think shop young okay,
but it's far because no one taught him how to
do it.

Speaker 5 (02:10:15):
Yeah, those matches, because each one you do with him
is better. It's like having a match with Josh Barnett. Probably,
you know, you don't have to worry about you know
where the punch is coming from, what it's gonna be,
whether it's gonna be a punch or a knee or
an elbow or whatever it is. It's just a barrage.
And that's how Steiner used to be, and you know

(02:10:38):
it was it was an honor to work with the kid,
and I really am appreciative of him helping me out
and making this old man look, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (02:10:49):
I'm sorry, did you say this is the one where
Goldberg doesn't come off good?

Speaker 6 (02:10:52):
Because I said this, I said a million dollars here,
I said this is the one that people are saying
he's not He didn't come off Yeah, I don't see
I don't see that at all.

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
No.

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
I think the chop thing was little. I think he
could have done better with the child thing. But I
think he's I think he's putting, you know, going throw
over pretty well.

Speaker 9 (02:11:06):
And people got we live in a world where there's
gonna be a realityship with a stupid fucking writer's room.
It's over. K fabe is dead. The fact that people
know that k fabe is a word means that k
fame is dead. Why are we beating this dead horse?

Speaker 18 (02:11:27):
Is it officially out of your system?

Speaker 19 (02:11:29):
Now, you know, in combat sports, people retired and then
they come back two years later, three years later, one
year later, six months later.

Speaker 18 (02:11:36):
Are you officially done? Will you never wrestle again?

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
I can't say that.

Speaker 4 (02:11:40):
I mean, uh, somewhere to k Y yeah this, yes,
I will say yes.

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
I will say.

Speaker 9 (02:11:51):
In principal, yeah, I'm done.

Speaker 5 (02:11:53):
But I worked my ass off for five months, and
I don't think I've dedicated that much of my life
towards one goal, like one night, and I don't know.
I would be remiss and saying that it did feel
as though it was a waste because I only went
out there for fourteen minutes and that was it.

Speaker 3 (02:12:12):
But nowhere, well, okay, Well you normally go out there
for three minutes, so in the universe of what you
normally do, you were out there for like an hour.
Fourteen minutes for Goldberg is an eternity for a match.

Speaker 9 (02:12:29):
He probably would have felt better if it is weird
that you're leading on to this much. But they also
that he didn't spear a bunch of heels along the way,
like he didn't be any Goldbergie things until we got
to this. Uh, we just need to sell tickets for
New York City match. It was in Atlanta, I know,
but so that's a nice main event only happened so

(02:12:53):
that we had a live commercial for summer.

Speaker 7 (02:12:56):
So what do you what do you if you guys
are Tony Kam, what do you use and Goldberg for
who you having him put over?

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Because that's exactly what it's got to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
No no, no, no no no no no no no
nobody no no no no no no no no no
no no.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
This is Tony kahk a wretcha no.

Speaker 3 (02:13:12):
He he he is going to recreate Goldberg's WCW run.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
Not even that.

Speaker 6 (02:13:20):
I don't think it's Here's what I think he's gonna do.
He's gonna bring he's gonna bring Goldberg in. He's gonna
make him look like a king. He's gonna have him
go over. He's gonna have him win his last match.
He's gonna give him forty five minutes at the end,
and he's going to say I did it better than WWE.
Look how happy Goldberg is. It doesn't matter if it
it doesn't matter if it means anything in storyline, It

(02:13:40):
doesn't matter if it adds to his show. It doesn't
matter if it puts anyone over, That's not what this
is about. This is about him saying I'm better. What
you're describing is the sting run what I'm just Yeah,
And you know, like you know, in the in the
right world, Goldberg would fight Wardlowe in job to him,
that's what would happen in the good world, or Brian

(02:14:00):
Cage or someone.

Speaker 4 (02:14:01):
Like that, right Powerhouse Hobbs.

Speaker 3 (02:14:04):
What's gonna be amazing if this happens, and I've been
saying it since the beginning, is that, you know, because
there were rumors of him signing Goldberg a year ago.
If they if Goldberg goes to ae W, watching the
ae W fans all of a sudden talk about the
subtle brilliance of Goldberg is going to be incredible.

Speaker 6 (02:14:26):
Yeah, it's it's he's like the smart money, the good
The only good thing they could pull out of it
is Goldberg Jericho.

Speaker 4 (02:14:34):
If they were to do Goldberger Jericho.

Speaker 6 (02:14:36):
Now that's something interesting that might be worth it, right,
But he's he'll go in against Sammy Gavara and beat
him Like, that's what we're probably gonna end up seeing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:48):
And the only, the only good Goldberg Jericho match was
one that nobody saw but but Kevin Nash while he
didn't get up out of his chair.

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
But you know how he's gonna do that. You know
how he's gonna get by the way, like I've said
this before, we said it before.

Speaker 3 (02:15:03):
But backing up a dump truck full of money to
his house.

Speaker 6 (02:15:06):
And also paying for his son to train while he
tries tries to play in the NFL. M he will
sign his son to a contract, and he'll do what
Sting's kids are doing, which is they get wait, wait, is.

Speaker 3 (02:15:19):
His son trying to make it to the NFL because
Tony might dangle the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 (02:15:22):
That's true exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:15:24):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
I think that's why I think this was Goldberg's plan
all along.

Speaker 6 (02:15:27):
I think he got the WWE match first, and now
he's going to the go to Tony Khan, get the
big payday, and then get something for a son where
his son might have a.

Speaker 4 (02:15:36):
Shot in the NFL too, because he's got in good
with the Jaguars.

Speaker 9 (02:15:39):
His son was also just extremely complimentary to the ww just.

Speaker 4 (02:15:44):
Well he's yeah, yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (02:15:45):
You know, he's not an idiot.

Speaker 5 (02:15:47):
Right here we go, Yeah, man. I mean, I'm fifty
eight years old. My body's kind of torn to shreds.
Hopefully I was able to cover a lot of it up.
And uh, you know, but uh, and I have my
retirement match. I had ninety one people flying from all
around the world. You know, there were personal guests online.

(02:16:10):
And I don't know if I want to kick start
that again and say, hey, guys, guess what I'm going
to go one more time. You know, you don't plan
stuff like that in the world of professional wrestling. I
guess you're not retired until you this. But you know,
in principle, yeah, I'm retired.

Speaker 3 (02:16:27):
Interesting and he is represented by Barry Bloom. He is,
of course he is.

Speaker 6 (02:16:32):
You know where a lot of alients end up. So
I'm just saying, dude, that's that. You know, I wouldn't
be shocked, and.

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
You know, to be shocked.

Speaker 6 (02:16:42):
It's a good plan. It's a smart move. I am
not going to criticize Goldberg for it for a second.
He played this perfectly perfect.

Speaker 7 (02:16:54):
I think I think I think in this moment in time,
Tony Kahan might be a little savvy and he may
reject some offer from gold You know, he may lowball
Goldberg because he did say I think in the scrum
or whatever, at least on the media call, he was
just like, you know, I've learned to be a little

(02:17:16):
bit more forthright in my decision making.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
You know what happens if Tony Khan doesn't do it.

Speaker 6 (02:17:22):
Goldberg runs to Vincentan and says, let's go do a
show together in Australia. It'll be my final show. You
can promote it and we'll make a billion dollars and
that's what That's what will happen. But I'm I think
your the world is so cool. I think you're completely.

Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
Wrong about Tony Khan.

Speaker 6 (02:17:38):
I think Tony Khan pretends he wants to do something different,
but at the end of the day, he's Tony Khan.

Speaker 4 (02:17:43):
If he can find a way to get one up
on WWE, he's gonna do it, and this is his
way to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:49):
And also remember the guy is a you know, a
w CW fan, getting Goldberg, and he treats these wrestlers
like their trading cards. He wants to have Oldberg, he
wants him in. But here's the other thing I don't
think and what well, Goldberg is a huge name. Goldberg
was just on w W a t V. Everyone already

(02:18:10):
got the Goldberg ra out. Goldberg pops up on a
W next week. I don't think anyone cares. I don't
think it affects the nun exactly. There there will, there will, Yeah,
there's no r o I for Goldberg and a W.

Speaker 9 (02:18:23):
Anybody in a W the only, the only, the only
people actually at this point who could get any interest
in appearance on a W is Vince McMahon is the
only person left on this planet that could make anybody
change the channel and.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
Keep it on a W R.

Speaker 9 (02:18:40):
Remember that Goldberg is also very much so aware of
his of his legacy, so he will take a lot
of money, but he's also gonna be very careful and
if he doesn't like it, he's gonna walk away from
the money because he knows that if he waits out,
he can probably go get a little legends, deal with

(02:19:02):
some bullshit where he can go shine or go. In
the movie, Olburg is Wildberg is in the Kevin Nash
category of people don't like me because I'm a little
too smart for my own good.

Speaker 7 (02:19:14):
I got a question, gentlemen, would it make Tony Khan
or the company look bad? If he were to have
turned down Goldberg for an aw run and somehow it
leaked out, like wouldn't that show like some sort of
position of strength for Tony Khan to know that he
turned down or did not sign Goldberg for anything.

Speaker 9 (02:19:34):
All The problem is Tony is not in a position
to say no to anybody. No one watches this show.
It only exists because you know, Daddy signed a deal
and then and WB has nothing to replace it with.

Speaker 6 (02:19:50):
Yeah, no, it's I I strongly feel that it's going
to happen, even if it's just even if it's just
Goldberg makes an appearance, he does the Legends deal the
way that Kevin vot Eric and Sting did, and then
his and his boy gets paid for that. I could
maybe that's just it, But especially when Goldberg at other

(02:20:11):
points in the interview was talking about how, you know,
there's still like three people that I wanted to bring
into my retirement match that I didn't get to bring
him in and that kind of stuff, Like, to me,
that's him saying there's more on the table to whoever
wants to pay him.

Speaker 4 (02:20:24):
Remember that Goldberg.

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
You know, Golbert has also did Goldberg also like bash
a Wow, when when when the first time.

Speaker 9 (02:20:34):
He he just told he just told hard to swallow. True,
he didn't really bash.

Speaker 3 (02:20:39):
Right, All right, guys, that's everything I got this week.
Let's get a couple more super chats anything. We got
two more super chats with Regina Sharp for five dollars
his proper planning. Brians pissed poor performance. Did we skip
production meeting this week? Guys? Yeah, actually we did. That
was and that was my fault because I was late. No, No,

(02:21:00):
we're talking about talking about dis and I being completely
different planets about the Uh we normally.

Speaker 6 (02:21:08):
Normally before the show, we pull all the stuff up
and we talk about what it is and what order
it's in, and we just didn't have time this week,
so we didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:21:15):
And then uh Griga for five dollars, says o, la amigos,
thanks for the content as always. Will You're very welcome,
are you? And George Captor for five dollars? Is keep
in mind that Goldberg said he will say more in
two weeks. Why and isn't that right at SummerSlam? M?

Speaker 6 (02:21:33):
Yeah, George, why do you think we did a segment
this week? Because now we get three weeks out of it?

Speaker 9 (02:21:38):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (02:21:38):
Yeah there you go. Oh right, gentlemen, yes, uh and
shout out to everyone who's super chatted tonight. Everyone had
chatted big. Thanks to Nick Lapiccolo for hanging out in
the chat with us here tonight and giving us some
very special insight. Maybe we'll have to have you on
the show physically one day, if you're ever willing.

Speaker 2 (02:21:58):
To come on.

Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
But uh, all, you've got a YouTube channel. Let's do
hi pretty well, so why don't you talk a bit
about that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
It's doing fair the middling.

Speaker 7 (02:22:06):
I've got to produce another video quickly, but it's aw
wrestling a w ful wrestling. Sorry, Awful Wrestling. Can check
that out on YouTube. You can also check me out
on x at aw Ful Wrestling. And thank you gentlemen
for having me on. It was a pleasure, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
Dis tele fid folk where they can find out more
about you and what Europe to.

Speaker 6 (02:22:28):
Hey, check me out at aw disciplinary. Also, Hey, Marv,
here's a scoop. Here's a hot scoop for all our
everyone wondering about Max out Media. Max is doing homeschool
and one of the things that we can do is
like a video computer production class thing. So part of
his class is going to be doing videos on that
stuff media awesome, so we will have regular as long

(02:22:51):
as he does his homework, we will have regular videos
here starting in a couple of awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
That's fantastic, all right, Kevin pot this is a big
week for you, my friend. But you know what, he
had to just step away, so I'm gonna do his
plug for him. Not only is Kevin Apollo appearing here
and on tuning to out TV this week, he is
also appearing in a number of videos I believe at
least four on the Culture Casino channel. Because this Friday night,

(02:23:20):
late night at eleven pm is the debut of Late
Night with Loren and Apollo, the Kevin Apollo Lorne Connor
late night show that is going to be taking over
the airwaves over on the ww pro channel. And I
hope you guys will all go and support that because
it's gonna be a fantastic show. So let's make sure
and that is going to be I believe Tuesday and

(02:23:43):
Thursday nights at around eleven o'clock, so Kevi will be
going directly from here to Lorna and Apollo, and then
Friday nights he will also have Lorna and Apollo, and
I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping to make some appearances
on that show as well, because it sounds like it's
going to be a fantastic time. So make sure you
guys check that out, all right, guys, Yeah, well, I
mean there's you know, there's some there's some gaps in

(02:24:03):
the late night lineup now, so damn right, all right, gentlemen, uh,
gentlemen and ladies. Thank you very much, everyone who chatted,
everyone who's super chatted. From all of us here at
the tuning down channels. I'm out of the movie Monster
now you.

Speaker 2 (02:24:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:24:18):
Betty Blatypus a half of my thankinate door.

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Thank you your piece of trash, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Thank you.

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Off I suppose you want me to say thank you?
Oh what say it? Thank you is like jobbing? Thank
you a little message, thank you, oh thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
Thank you, thanks for what.

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HI home from all of us here at Tunytown, thank you,
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